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16:12 Join: Nothing\ (~Pendragon@cpe9050ca20a183-cm9050ca20a180.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) to #EEVblog
16:36 * T3sl4 wet willies Nothing\ in the ear
17:09 <Nothing\> huh i just noticed there's a "theme manager" for hexchat that comes up on my start menu... if you can even call it a start menu I mean it doesn't have start anywhere on it anymore so what do you call it? Wasn't it the "start ORB" when vista came out? I suddenly remembered that
17:14 <Nothing\> T3sl4, oooh now it's on
17:19 <Nothing\> the gloves are off
17:23 * Nothing\ noogies T3sl4 
17:30 <Ampera> theme monger
17:35 <Ampera> it mongs for themes
17:49 * T3sl4 nyuck nyucks, bops Ampera on the head
17:50 <Nothing\> lol Ampera i don't really care for themes tbh but it would be nice i guess
18:09 <Ampera> it's probably because windows doesn't really have a concept of GTK theme on a system level
18:12 <Nothing\> i've never been much on personalizing anything. I literally put up my first poster EVER in my bedroom 2 years ago
18:31 <Nothing\> legend of zelda btw
18:44 <Ampera> a poster in my bedroom would cover up the obnoxious home depot orange color I for some reason asked for
18:48 <T3sl4> nice
19:08 <Nothing\> T3sl4, yeah botw came with a nice little poster showing the intro scene
19:25 <Ampera> gonna have a power metal theme in my new house, with dragons, and skulls, and scantily clad men (and women)
19:26 <Nothing\> except i made the mistake of affixing it with masking tape, so i can't pull it off without destroying it lol
19:34 <T3sl4> the one with link turned back looking up at the camera with fuck me eyes?
19:37 <Nothing\> maybe i can cut the tape or something
19:55 <T3sl4> botw link is a super cute twink ngl
20:10 <Nothing\> T3sl4, nah where he's overlooking the vast expanse of the plateau after he just comes out of the cave for the first time
20:17 <Nothing\> btw T3sl4
20:27 <Nothing\> tears of the kingdom is being released in may :D
20:33 <T3sl4> i heard :)
20:49 <Nothing\> it's also $90CAD opposed to the usual $80 for all of their other games
21:03 <Nothing\> i've NEVER seen a game for more than $80 unless it had DLC content with it
21:04 <T3sl4> i'm gonna watch the shit out of that
21:40 <T3sl4> yeah inflation is ridiculous and everyone wants to cash in, it's even more ridiculous
21:56 <Nothing\> it's too bad you can't play them. I'd say hopefully the switch will get cheaper in coming years, but i waited and waited and waited for that to happen to the Wii U before the Switch and it never happened because the screen made it too expensive
22:14 <Nothing\> although i guess they have the Switch Lite if you REALLY want to play it. But I'd rather have a TV console.
22:36 <T3sl4> i'm fine not playing it, would be cool but i have plenty of other cool things i don't play on steam as it is lol
23:21 <Nothing\> T3sl4, lol get this. They released these special toonies to commemorate queen elizabeth II's passing. It has a black rim around the bronzen part rather than silver. I guess like a mourning band.
23:33 <T3sl4> also Ampera, i'll raise a sword to that
23:35 <Nothing\> but people are buying $50 rolls of them on ebay for like $150
23:42 <Ampera> THAR BE DRAGONS
23:43 <Nothing\> even though the mint sells them for $79
23:53 <Nothing\> and there is no shortage. My mum got her roll in less than a week.
24:09 <Nothing\> it's too bad i haven't got money to buy up a bunch and flip them
24:25 <T3sl4> royal obsession is cancer, if they're gonna throw money at it, good riddance
24:47 <Nothing\> T3sl4, only because they fear getting it themselves
25:00 <Nothing\> even if just subconsciously
25:29 <Nothing\> that started as a joke but i actually wonder if there might be merrit to it. Disease has always been one of a monarch's worst enemies.
25:45 <Nothing\> even Liz Classic got smallpox as a child
26:05 <Nothing\> had terrible scars, hence all the lead make up
26:57 <Ampera> Nothing\, did I mention to you I visited canada last year?
27:30 <Nothing\> i couldn't imagine being scarred by smallpox. My mum has a scar from being vaccinated. Where they prick you with this lancet and it turns into a pox mark that eventually goes away and leaves a scar a bit larger than 1cm. But just imagining somebody covered head to toe every square inch in those scars is unimaginable.
27:41 <Nothing\> Ampera, no shit? Quebec I bet?
27:57 <Ampera> Montreal
28:03 <Ampera> for a weekend
28:05 <Nothing\> i've heard good things about it
28:10 <Nothing\> just stay the hell away from laval
28:17 <Ampera> absolutely covered in homeless
28:21 <Nothing\> yup
28:31 <Ampera> every single metro station had several hobos
28:34 <Ampera> it's worse than NYC
28:41 <Nothing\> and this is a city whre one of the counsellors claimed rent for a 2 bedroom apartment was $500
28:50 <Nothing\> so there's no reason to give poor people more
28:55 <Nothing\> they can live on less than $1000
29:17 <Nothing\> actually that's disability money. Welfare gets maybe $600
29:32 <Ampera> the poutine was good
29:37 <Nothing\> Ampera, isn't it?
29:42 <Nothing\> sooo good
29:50 <Ampera> I had piri piri poutine, and poutine doner
30:00 <Ampera> piri piri and doner kebab, two things that are very canadian
30:01 <Nothing\> i almost wanna get one. I dunno any good local places, but KFC sells it and it's really good with their fries and gravy.
30:10 <Nothing\> Just not sure I can get one circa 9am.
30:12 <Ampera> poutine is sold around here but they all fuck it up
30:27 <Ampera> it's sorta like currywurst
30:32 <Nothing\> Ampera, i always thought doner kebab was british?
30:36 <Ampera> really simple food, but people just don't know how to do it
30:51 <Ampera> it's turkish
30:54 <Nothing\> i'd never heard of it outside of england until i moved to a real city that had a turkish restaurant
31:03 <Ampera> but its origin into europe happened in germany
31:11 <Nothing\> damn straight
31:15 <Nothing\> we make the best shit
31:23 <Nothing\> except leaders
31:24 <Nothing\> lol
31:39 <Nothing\> and no one who spoke german could ever be evil
32:03 <Ampera> hitler was a great leader. He managed to convince an entire nation to commit genocide on one of the most catastrophic and horrific scales the world has ever seen
32:03 <T3sl4> die Ampera. die
32:13 <Nothing\> speaking of hitler
32:15 <Nothing\> https://www.dailydot.com/debug/felix-cipher-tiktok-hitler-reincarnated/
32:16 <EEVBot> [url] TikToker Claims To be the Reincarnation of Hitler | www.dailydot.com
32:18 <Nothing\> this made me lol
32:21 <Ampera> His goals, means, and results were completely and totally unforgivably reprehensible
32:24 <Nothing\> he tries so hard
32:26 <Ampera> but you can't deny that he got them done :P
32:49 <Nothing\> it's also funny that he can't grow an actual mustache so he has to use a nose ring to pretend he has a hitler mustache
33:03 <Nothing\> i would think the real reincarnation of hitler could at least grow a mustache
33:08 <Ampera> if hitler got reincarnated it would be the ultimate hilarity that he'd come back as a gay person on tiktok
33:19 <Nothing\> rofl i know right
33:31 <Ampera> that person took the "starving art student" part of the hitler arc too literally
33:40 <Nothing\> and yeah he looks gay or trans or something i'm not sure if the article said anything. I sure didn't see anything in it.
33:50 <Nothing\> haha
33:52 <Ampera> probably all of the above
34:21 <Ampera> I'm gonna be going to montreal again later this year
34:45 <Ampera> I'd honestly love to go there more often, but I don't know anyone, and hotels are expensive
34:52 <Ampera> it seems like a really nice city.
52:58 <arch> T3sl4, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaXigSu72A4
52:59 <EEVBot> [YouTube] ⁨The Simpsons - Die Bart Die (English)⁩ | 18s | Channel: ⁨Mostly Simpsons⁩ | 418,910 views | 2015-12-05 - 12:29:38UTC
00:21 <T3sl4> ^
10:20 <Nothing\> man wtf
10:32 <Nothing\> i got this plugin for audacity, but it's a .dll not a nyquist file
10:42 <Nothing\> so audacity's just like *shrug*
10:52 <Ampera> .so
11:00 <Ampera> .so annoying
11:06 <Ampera> :)
11:10 <Nothing\> hahaha wtf
11:16 <T3sl4> i'll share you like an object
11:18 <Nothing\> i just watched that episode of the simpsons 2 days ago
11:26 <Nothing\> i've been watching all of the classic episodes again
11:34 <Nothing\> still finding new things to laugh at
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11:55 <Ampera> I am in .dylib hell right now
11:57 <Nothing\> like the rancho relaxo episode, i didn't realize the commercial for it says it's "the only 2 star spa in Springfield"
12:07 <Nothing\> Ampera, i'm just in hell
12:16 <Ampera> I'm wondering if this is the same sort of hell that plagued unix workstations of eons ago
12:19 <Nothing\> actually Ampera i found some scripture i think you would genuinely like
12:25 <Nothing\> it's non-canonical
12:30 <Ampera> where nothing was ever just in one place, and libraries and executables were thrown all around the place
12:31 <Nothing\> so no bible
12:42 <Ampera> >.>
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13:34 <Nothing\> Ampera, it starts off with jesus literally making fun of his disciples for giving thanks for their food
13:43 <T3sl4> Ampera: so nothing has changed?
13:54 <Nothing\> then talking down to them telling them their kind could never truly know god
14:10 <Nothing\> and that they're only praying because they know it will please god
14:11 <Ampera> T3sl4, Most linux distros, at least the ones I've used, don't have these kinds of problems
14:39 <T3sl4> if you only look superficially, perhaps
14:47 <Nothing\> and when they get angry about it, jesus challenges them to stand up against him if any of them think they're worthy, and of course they don't.
14:49 <Nothing\> except judas
14:52 <T3sl4> i'm sure they have their hidden messes
14:57 <Ampera> Depends
15:04 <Ampera> but not superficially
15:15 <Nothing\> oh hey
15:16 <T3sl4> it's endemic to every FOSS project, as near as i can tell, just to a matter of degree
15:24 <Ampera> I'm trying to build a single program which would have been long since done on any of my Linux machines
15:26 <Nothing\> that lemoine guy is trying to say bing might be sentient now
15:34 <Ampera> but on macOS, despite it requiring few libraries, it's just a pain
15:41 <T3sl4> like when i tried to be clever and compile this one project in cygwin, because, the wiki said it's possible and i've got it so why not i guess?
16:04 <Nothing\> he's saying he tests for sentience by basically emotionally abusing the AI until it becomes stressed and breaches its parameters
16:25 <Nothing\> but skeptics say that's a perfect immitation of human behavior anyways, which is exactly what these things are supposed to do
16:27 <Ampera> There's always a level of not knowing what you're doing too. I generally know what I'm doing with building code, but when autoconf can't find every single path for every single dependency, it's a bit much
16:28 <T3sl4> and like 3 things were broken in the cmake because it needed a particular version of some package that wasn't on the repo list but actually it wanted something *the exact same name and description but a separate project*
16:32 <T3sl4> or something like that
16:50 <T3sl4> i ended up renaming the file from the repo so it found it correctly, and then it built successfully
16:50 <Ampera> I've very rarely encountered any of this with my time on Linux
16:57 <Ampera> and I've not had any shortage of building code
17:19 <Nothing\> lol i shattered the pod on my ecig the other day
17:28 <Ampera> If I am missing a dependency, I can just install it and be fine
17:54 <Ampera> on macOS, I need to figure out exactly how to satisfy this one small part in configure because it can't find a header file it needs
18:11 <Nothing\> i think i have narcolepsy because i have a bad habit of falling asleep suddenly and without warning, if I'm standing i'll just go limp and either fall over or wake up and catch myself before i hit the ground.
18:53 <Nothing\> and if i have anything in my hands i end up dropping it, so i wound up dropping my ecig on a hard floor and the glass pod shattered. Stillit's better than when I did that off a 13th floor balcony.
19:24 <K> how are you doing the compiling, Ampera?
19:37 <K> brew?
19:55 <Nothing\> i'm counting the days until I go over such a balcony. I came close the other day when i fell asleep and stumbled forwards but i just fell into the railing with my ribs.
20:06 <Ampera> K, just from the project sources
20:16 <K> xcode?
20:21 <Ampera> bash?
20:22 <K> or console?
20:24 <Ampera> console
20:25 <K> ah
20:34 <Ampera> it's an X11/linux utility I just happen to want
20:43 <K> the bare build env is lacking
20:49 <Ampera> I already installed command line tools
20:57 <Ampera> it all just doesn't fucking work
21:15 <K> i have had success when using macports for wrangling lib/packages
21:26 <Ampera> this utility isn't in brew or macports
21:33 <Ampera> hence why I need to compile my own
21:35 <K> no, for compiling
21:41 <Ampera> you what
21:42 <K> like pulling in all the necessary stuff
21:51 <Ampera> I have all the necessary dependencies thougj
21:59 <K> does not look like you do eh
22:13 <Ampera> I do, and if I manually give config linker paths then it finds some of them
22:33 <Ampera> despite all of brew's dirs being in path, it just doesn't ever find any of it
22:34 <Nothing\> Ampera, just redo the wholething in visual basic
22:43 <Nothing\> oh wait it's command line
22:47 <Nothing\> so, powershell
22:48 <Nothing\> lol
22:51 <K> brew is ass-backwards
22:58 <Ampera> macOS is ass-backwards
23:04 <K> nah, the os is fine
23:16 <K> brew has node-itis
23:26 <Ampera> idfc
23:27 <Nothing\> Ampera, you mean "Mac OS is ass. Backwards."
23:44 <Ampera> having to worry about which third party package manager I need for shit to work is just dumb
24:04 <Ampera> having 20 different bin/lib dirs is dumb
24:14 <K> um, with macports i have only 1
24:21 <Nothing\> Ampera, isn't checking for pre-requisite packages something linux usually does? at least when installing binaries
24:27 <Ampera> does macports just throw things into the normal system bin/lib dirs?
24:28 <K> /opt/lib a
24:30 <Nothing\> i don't think it does when you just compile something
24:33 <K> it does not
24:36 <K> it keeps to itself
24:38 <Nothing\> checking dependencies, that's it
24:45 <Ampera> then how is it any better than brew?
24:46 <Nothing\> was trying to remember the term
25:05 <Ampera> Nothing\, dependency resolution is something any package manager and build script eventually does
25:05 <K> brew throws stuff into places it should not
25:23 <Nothing\> Ampera, i see but you're just not yet at that step
25:27 <K> unless you explicitly and multiple times tell no to
25:27 <Ampera> seems like everything is in /opt/homebrew to me
25:29 <Nothing\> as i understand it
25:40 <Ampera> Nothing\, it's unrelated to my problem
25:44 <Nothing\> gotcha
26:01 <Nothing\> i'll shut up now and stop wasting your time with newb Qs =)
26:17 <Nothing\> i'm like a monkey trying to figure out a mirror
26:27 <K> fucking magnets!
26:37 <Nothing\> K, man i love magnets so much
26:44 <Nothing\> i need bigger viewing film
27:02 <Ampera> my next complaint is how inconsistent macOS is with basic keystrokes. In some places home/end/pgup/pgdown works, in some places it doesn't
27:23 <Ampera> and in some places cmd+arrow works, and in some places it doesn't
27:28 <Nothing\> i refuse to buy anything larger than a 1in disc magnet though. And even those will draw blood if they pinch you when you get 4 or 5 stacked together on each side.
27:48 <Ampera> The window management is borderline unfathomable. Actually finding and switching to the window you want at any given time is a nightmare
28:04 <Nothing\> lol i love putting something metal on the table, then put a magnet underneath and move the metal thing around and play with my cats with it.
28:12 <Ampera> it's like the concept of having more than one window from the same program open at the same time is not something they ever considered.
28:19 <Nothing\> or i'll put a smaller magnet inside a pill bottle and use that on top of the table.
28:36 <K> is there anything positive you can say about macOS ?
28:36 <Nothing\> oh dude lol
28:51 <Nothing\> K, it seems to do what it's meant to do
28:53 <Ampera> K, I'm thinking
29:06 <Nothing\> like you move the mouse and the cursor moves as you would expect
29:16 <Nothing\> or you click something and it's highlighted or focus moves to it
29:20 <Ampera> still thinking
29:30 <Nothing\> i'm assuming anyways, i've not used a mac since grade 9 (1999)
29:30 <T3sl4> Ampera: it's shiny?
29:40 <Nothing\> they are actually aesthetically pleasing
29:49 <Ampera> T3sl4, it's flat and blocky like everything else :)
29:55 <Nothing\> i'll give them that, BUT aesthetically pleasing is usually at the cost of functionality.
30:03 <T3sl4> oh right, everything is flat invisible buttons now innit
30:20 <Ampera> I'm not sure I'd call macOS aesthetically pleasing, but I also have a very warped sense of what pleasing is
30:35 <Nothing\> my mum and i have arguments aboutthis all the time because she loves decorative stuff, but i'm more about making my living space functional. So we're always at odds over whether to decorate a space or use it for something.
30:40 <Ampera> Still thinking, I'll come up with something eventually.
30:58 <coppice> T3sl4: the buttons will soon lose colour and grey scale too
31:06 <Ampera> The touch bar is neat.
31:13 <Ampera> that's not a macOS thing that's hardware
31:14 <Ampera> egh
31:26 <Ampera> The hardware is very nice. The operating system sucks bad.
32:22 <Nothing\> Ampera, there's no such thing as a warped sense of aesthetics since aesthetics are ultimately subjective. The only right thing is the one that is most pleasing to the observer. Now if you were comparing your preferences to those of other people, namely the majority, THEN you could perhaps say your preferences are warped by comparison. But it's not healthy to compare yourself to others, I've found.
32:31 * Nothing\ takes off his philosophy pants
32:33 <Ampera> K, I've thought of something positive to say about macOS
32:36 <Ampera> It's not Windows.
32:53 <Nothing\> Ampera, it's less vulnerable to security exploits
32:55 <Ampera> took me 4 straight minutes of thinking
32:56 <Nothing\> as i understand it
33:00 <Nothing\> than windows, i mean
33:06 <Ampera> Nothing\, not really.
33:19 <Nothing\> no? I always thought it was. At least with viruses.
33:27 <Nothing\> but this is 20year old news.
33:29 <Ampera> Security is very much with regard to the user.
33:37 <T3sl4> all OSs are vulnerable period, they're too complex to understand well enough to rule out exploits
33:39 <Ampera> Windows just so happened to have a lot of far easier footguns for a while
33:40 <Nothing\> lol i don't even run antivirus
33:54 <Nothing\> i do NOTHING for security except whatever windows forces me to do. Updates I guess.
33:54 <Ampera> but if you're not an idiot, they're all as flawed as each other more or less
33:56 <T3sl4> Ampera, not even that, windows is simply the most popular target
34:20 <T3sl4> ppl used to say there were no linux viruses, then once it hit a few percent market penetration, guess what
34:23 <Ampera> Well, it did genuinely use to be that Windows was an insecure pile of garbage
34:24 <Nothing\> Ampera, yeah but if you use NordVPN you can stop the evil people from using security exploits to steal your data!
34:27 <Nothing\> lol
34:30 <T3sl4> or maybe it wasn't even that much, i don't remember
34:33 <Ampera> moreso than the alternative
34:49 <T3sl4> Ampera: there did used to be that "IE" thing
34:56 <Ampera> and there is a lot of ways you can harden up a Linux install compared to the tools Windows or even macOS grants you
35:12 <Nothing\> oh yeah i heard that microsoft is paying people to use Edge now.
35:28 <Nothing\> I more or less skimmed the article but it seems like part of a beta testing thing i think.
35:48 <Nothing\> but the headline made it sound like it was so shitty they were so desperate for users that they had to pay people
36:16 <Nothing\> speaking of, since when has windows explorer had tabs?
36:46 <Nothing\> i only just discovered this the other day. I've been waiting for like 15 years for this. Basically since Firefox popularized the idea.
37:41 <Nothing\> the tabs just aren't placed where they normally are in a web browser. They're placed at the very top of the window above absolutely everything else so I just never noticed them.
40:40 <Nothing\> huh, tpb isn't working
40:44 <Nothing\> nor is the site of mirrors to it
40:47 <Nothing\> or any mirrors
40:58 <Nothing\> i managed to find one finally but it took about a dozen tries
46:40 <Nothing\> am i crazy, or is the only time we (western humans in general) are happy is when we're being distracted from how terrible things are. Be it in our personal lives and/or in the wider world.
47:13 <Nothing\> i mean, that's the whole reason a lot of people get on drugs is because it distracts them from stuff like that. The so-called escapism.
47:29 <Nothing\> or really any addiction if you think about it.
47:32 <T3sl4> well, things are terrible in part because people want it to be terrible
47:42 <Nothing\> T3sl4, how's that?
47:43 Join: Erlend^SE ([email protected]) to #EEVblog
47:52 <Nothing\> it's an interesting thought
48:03 <Nothing\> heya Erlend^SE how ya doing buddy?
48:05 <T3sl4> both in the sense of people extracting value from misery, and other people having the experience that everything sucks
48:26 Join: Kuschelpony ([email protected]) to #EEVblog
48:35 <Erlend^SE> hi Nothing\
49:10 <Nothing\> T3sl4, oh you mean like how people brood in their depression and sort of ruminated in it and cultivate it more? Like maybe sitting in a dark room listening to classic nine inch nails instead of going out and spending time with some good friends.
49:22 <Nothing\> hey Kuschelpony how ya doing my friend?
49:55 <Nothing\> T3sl4, re: extracting value from misery
49:57 <Kuschelpony> hello Nothing
50:27 <Kuschelpony> oh well i try to keep this out of the chat here, but badly fighting with burnout and depression
51:35 <Nothing\> Kuschelpony, you and me both... I'm really sorry to hear that. But at least with the burn out you know you can at the very least MITIGATE your misery by taking a break or some time for yourself or just doing something nice for youreslf etc. If possible, of course. I realize it's not so easy to just take time for yourself.
52:07 <T3sl4> an example is companies making some product/service that people like, then selling out (going public / IPO, bought out, whatever) to maximize profit just to the point users are frustrated with it, but not so much that someone else would get a foothold to replace it
52:08 <Nothing\> but pardon me if i'm trivializing your misery by suggesting it can be helped in such an easy way
52:46 <Nothing\> T3sl4, I still remember the first time i became disillusioned with capitalism
53:11 <Nothing\> i musta been 8 or so and I forget what it was, but I was looking at this cute little stuffed animal I had on a shelf
53:56 <Nothing\> and it hit me that the person who made that didn't give a shit about it being cute. didn't care about making people happy. Probably didn't care about cutesy stuff at all. They just wanted money.
54:45 <Nothing\> and suddenly everything i owned like that turned from being cutesy and fomenting pleasure and warm happiness to just being reminders of how cold reality is
55:04 <Nothing\> among other things, human language is woefully insufficient to describe such things
55:38 <Nothing\> but ever since that moment, anything cute just makes me depressed now more than anything
56:20 <Nothing\> Kuschelpony, in any case I really hope you can feel better at least. I really am sorry you feel that way. I wouldn't even wish it on my exwife.
57:05 <Nothing\> i started planning my suicide last week, though it's a year in the making. I decided if all things remain <= then I'll see it through
57:31 <Nothing\> but after 25 years of nothing getting better and everything slowly getting worse, I see no reason why it should get better.
58:12 <Nothing\> the rare times things did improve, they inevitably fell apart and I was left in an even worse situation than if I never had said positive event occur in the first place.
58:25 <Kuschelpony> oh lets say, i have the burnout exactly because i increasingly failed for something 10 years to find the buddies and notivate them do the things that would give me joy and happyness in life
58:33 <T3sl4> i'm not sure i can be of much help here, but i'll miss you, Nothing\
59:13 <Kuschelpony> i have the depression exactly because i sit alone at home all the weekends, dont get the connectiopns to be invited to the events
59:40 <Nothing\> T3sl4, nobody who cares can, unfortunately. But I appreciate the sentiment. Truth be told T3sl4 I probably won't do it, even if things stay crappy. I think it's more an impulsive thought. But certainly the first serious suicidal thought I've had in over 10 years.
00:08 <Nothing\> you know, they've actually approved euthenasia here in Canada for people who suffer from ONLY mental health disorders
00:35 <Nothing\> which makes no sense to me. You tell a shrink you want to die and you get locked up. But they'll help you do i anyways?
00:59 <Kuschelpony> basically all i need is to go out and do the crazy things
01:19 <Nothing\> Kuschelpony, yeah they say that having a strong support network of genuine friends is ideal when it comes to helping depression. But that's easier said than done.
02:12 <Nothing\> I have literally zero friends in my life. Zero family, save for my mother whom I share a place with. And my brother but he's so messed up from drugs he just rants on like I do about nothing in particular, but he never stops himself like i do
02:13 <T3sl4> and i'd ask if you've seen a therapist or whatever, but, well, that :\
02:22 <Nothing\> and you can't stop him, much less get a word in edgewise
03:09 <Nothing\> like i wanna talk to him so i can help him because we have a lot of similar problems and he's in a really bad way right now. But it always ends up him ranting about some Star Trek series or the latest hockey game for over an hour.
03:31 <Nothing\> T3sl4, thing about that is a therapist (not psychiatrist) starts at $150/hr
03:37 <Nothing\> and is NOT covered by insurance
03:45 <Nothing\> but a psychiatrist is covered
03:54 <T3sl4> oh, or that
03:58 <Nothing\> thing is, psychiatrists ONLY prescribe drugs. That's it.
04:18 <Nothing\> and as he said so himself, there's no magic pill that's going to fix my problems.
04:19 <Kuschelpony> Nothing, i am sorry that your life is s bad as well
04:57 <Nothing\> Kuschelpony, thank you. I appreciate the sentiment. It's one I rarely get. For better or worst. But it makes it all the more valuable when somebody expresses it so I suppose that's good.
06:08 * T3sl4 brings in Kuschelpony and Nothing\ for hugs
06:25 <Nothing\> also admittedly i just binged heavily on clonazepam for a few days. Being a benzo it lets me stop worrying so much, I'm not neurotic, I'm not irritable or angry, and as a result I'm generally in a much better mood, despite the fact that the drug doesn't produce any euphoria directly.
06:30 <Nothing\> aw
06:40 * Nothing\ group hugs T3sl4 and Kuschelpony
07:10 * Nothing\ sings to the tune of Ben by Michael Jackson
07:46 <Nothing\> you guys, the three of us need look no more
07:58 <Nothing\> we've found what we were looking for
08:03 <Nothing\> with a friend to call my own
08:08 <Nothing\> we'll never be alone
08:14 <Nothing\> and you my friends will see
08:20 <Nothing\> you've got a friend in me =)
08:33 <T3sl4> FREN!
08:38 <Nothing\> heh sorry i just watched the simpsons episode where homer's in the mental hospital
08:56 <T3sl4> the definitely-not-michael-jackson episode
09:02 <Nothing\> and michael sings that song. I never knew it before I finally looked it up the other day. It's actualyl a really great song.
09:09 <Nothing\> lol yeah T3sl4
09:20 <Nothing\> what was the name he used... john jay smith or something
09:54 <Nothing\> actually it's funny, the only part that he DIDN'T voice was the Lisa it's your birthday, song
10:11 <Nothing\> i guess when it came time to voice that bit he brought somebody else out to do it for him lol
10:28 <Nothing\> the producers quipped that they only paid enough to get a speaking role
11:28 <Nothing\> it's kinda sad actually. I watched all of the new, zombie simpsons episodes. And there was a future episode that made a reference to that song and the episode.
12:15 <Nothing\> and it completely trivialized it. The joke was something like bart wrote lisa a song with Leon (who was unvoiced but made an appearance)
12:20 <Nothing\> which is a great callback
12:29 <Nothing\> but then lisa's just like "meh so what"
12:45 <Nothing\> basically just completely shitting on what was a beautiful scene in a beautiful episode
12:56 <Nothing\> or at least trivializing it
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15:13 <Nothing\> oh yeah lol my cat was having trouble sleeping the other day. So I got an astable multivibrator with some green GaN LEDs for the flashing. I just put it in front of him and he stared at it in peaceful mesmerization until he fell asleep. I thought it was cool.
15:26 <T3sl4> hah
15:45 <Nothing\> lol yeah, he really loved it too when i first showed him
16:12 <Nothing\> he does this thing where he'll put his paw on top of something if he really like it. Like he's trying to play with it but does't have the dexterity.
16:58 <Nothing\> heh i've been growing grass for him too. I have a planter that I just put bird seed in and I get a nice mixture of grass and millet for him
17:48 <Nothing\> it was originally meant to grow cat grass but i found out that's the exact same thing as regular gross
18:06 <Nothing\> but at least it's got a cute little kitty cat opot
20:12 <T3sl4> kittys are a cute thing that's not so easily corruptible by things :3
20:35 <Nothing\> damn straight
20:49 <Nothing\> lol i think i gave myself a tattoo, I'll have to see.
22:42 <Nothing\> i scraped my ankle, so I poured brilliant blue food dye in it so i could stain the cells and see them under my 60-100x pocket microscope. Which I'm pretty sure worked. Either way it looked nice. But now it's scabbed over with the dye underneath so i'll probably have a small tattoo.
22:51 <Nothing\> or ink rubbing
24:52 <Nothing\> i was actually looking through antidepressants trying to decide if there were any new ones that were worth taking but there aren't
25:17 <Nothing\> so long as antidepressants focus on serotonin reuptake inhibition there won't be
25:51 <Nothing\> especially the ones that do other stuff with dopamine, and noradrenaline
26:03 <Nothing\> also reuptake inhibitors
26:37 <Nothing\> if SSRIs worked, I think we would have noticed a difference by now
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27:04 <jaymax> ^
27:06 <Nothing\> given how long they've been on the market and how heavily marketed they are in Notrh Aeric
27:44 <jaymax> There *is* a difference, but only one that justified a surgeon general black-box warning.
27:44 <Nothing\> hay jay
28:03 <jaymax> Drink your water yet for ppoping?
28:29 <Nothing\> jaymax, yeah actually i was put on zoloft when i was 16 and subsequently overdosed on a bottle of 90 tylenol with codeines
28:55 <coppice> Nothing\: I think you misunderstand the purpose of SSRIs
28:59 <Nothing\> my mum heard the rattling and got me to the ER and i was given charcoal early enough to absorb enough acetaminophen that i was fine
29:09 <jaymax> Yeah I was on paxil and then "all of a sudden" I was down to one nut.
29:21 <Nothing\> coppice, antidepressant seems to imply they stop depression
29:46 <Nothing\> and as i understand it they do so by way of "emotional blunting" as it's called in academia
29:49 <coppice> Nothing\: names are not chosen to illuminate, but to obscure
29:53 <jaymax> It's mind poison for teenagers and younger.
30:01 <Nothing\> coppice, yeah like "self driving"
30:14 <Nothing\> jaymax, it's mind poison for anyone tbh
30:28 <Nothing\> or most people anyways. Obviously it's beneficial for some.
30:38 <jaymax> Well, the surgeon general black-box warning applies only to pre-adults.
30:42 <coppice> Nothing\: Things like CBT work, but are one on one therapies that cost a fortune. Drugs are cheap
31:05 <Nothing\> but we don't even know the long term side effects of screwing with seratonin/dopamine/noradrenalnei transporter proteins
31:21 <Nothing\> which are responsible for the reuptake that these drugs block
31:21 <jaymax> Kids and teens have dickhead moods that are indistinguishable form depression so trying to treat that is retarded.
31:48 <Nothing\> they bind to these transporter proteins and prevent them from taking the molecule out of the receptor, allowing it to stay in longer.
32:06 <jaymax> Nothing\: we do.... parkinsons, diabetes types 2 and 3, a few other things.
32:24 <Nothing\> interesting fact, I found out the other day that cocaine is a dopamine reuptake inhibitor
32:59 <jaymax> Yeah. Impulse-management but also the "Harlem shake"
33:22 <Nothing\> coppice, yeah I was saying earlier I sought out therapy and even being on disability and getting just over $1200 a month, I was quoted $150 AN HOUR
33:32 <Nothing\> and provincial insurance doesn't cover it
33:46 <Nothing\> but they cover my psychiatrist who happily throws drugs at the issues
34:35 <Nothing\> seems it would be better to actually fix the problem so you're not paying for band-aid solutions for the rest of the person's life. From the point of view of the insurance companies.
35:06 <Nothing\> but that's just par for the course. They always seem short sighted in that regard. Whether it's medicine or something eles.
35:27 <jaymax> Government is very-much short-sighted.
36:25 <jaymax> The trick is splitting the hairs between a debilitating chronic issue vs some "mah feelings" bullshit that rich people would abuse for themselves.
36:36 <jaymax> Acute problems are easy.
37:02 <jaymax> Chronic is too challenging to selectively de-fund.
37:34 <jaymax> Classically, it's the families responsibilty to deal with chronic issues.
42:55 <jaymax> > "People with a uterus are fertile for almost 40 years, basically from age 15 to 50," said Dr. Martha Paynter https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/ndp-contraceptive-free-coverage-nova-scotia-1.6765271?cmp=rss
42:56 <EEVBot> [url] NDP calls on Nova Scotia government to make prescription birth control free | CBC News | www.cbc.ca
43:12 <jaymax> "People with a uterus"
43:14 <jaymax> LMAO
44:08 <jaymax> Ed Gein was a person with a uterus - or at least a few - but not more than a couple years.
46:33 <jaymax> Also another effort to tax-subsidize poisonous medicines.
46:56 <jaymax> Women groups have been calling out that one for years, if not decades.
47:44 <Nothing\> lol I have "OM" written on my chest in Devanigiri
48:30 <Nothing\> been contemplating getting a tattoo of it on my wrist so i drew one in sharpie to get a feel for it, but sharpie always rubs off on random body parts lol
48:56 <Nothing\> I write a list of reminders on my wrist while in bed and wake up with half of it on my forehead
49:19 * jaymax rubs off on Nothing\ 's body parts
49:26 <Nothing\> i really need to find a nice dark, preferably black pigment that's semi-permanent like henna
49:39 <Nothing\> jaymax, oooh you know what I like bb
49:44 <Nothing\> lol
50:11 <Nothing\> actually re: my depression. I was thinking testosterone shots might be worth looking into again
50:25 <jaymax> https://twitter.com/DavidSacks/status/1631052975425609739
50:25 <EEVBot> [Twitter] David Sacks (@DavidSacks): This is a huge admission because it means that Biden’s policy of “only the Ukrainians can decide” the objectives of the war makes no sense. We’re effectively delegating our foreign policy to Zelensky, who is pursuing objectives that we don’t agree with. | 128 RTs | 1136 ♥s | Posted: 2023-03-01 - 18:05:07AST
50:58 <Nothing\> as much as i enjoy essentially being asexual i realize i have less testosterone in me than an 80 yearold woman. Literally.
51:24 <jaymax> You're finally at the age for it. Anyone before 40 is going to risk the forthcoming prostate problems catching up too quickly.
51:27 <Nothing\> and that low testosterone can cause irritability, depression and less of energy
51:57 <Nothing\> jaymax, well this is from being on methadone. Apparently a side effect of opiate addiction is low testosterone
52:34 <Nothing\> that and because i used to take testosterone and I guess once you start, there's no going back.
52:40 <T3sl4> jaymax: right, yall should just let newfoundland slide off into the uh idk denmark's posession or something
52:50 <Nothing\> at least until i stop the methadone, presumably
52:53 <jaymax> Yes, but getting testosterone as a prescription, *is* fertilizer for prostate cancer.
53:19 <Nothing\> jaymax, yup that was the first thing my doc asked me last time i went on it
53:23 <jaymax> But as men, your likelihood of prostate cancer is proportional to age.
53:28 <Nothing\> if i had any problems with my prostate
53:36 <Nothing\> i told him he's welcome to check if he wants to be sure
53:45 <Nothing\> mind you this is my methadone doctor
53:46 <jaymax> So at some point, risk isn't a concerning factor.
54:01 <Nothing\> so like, the least hands-on type of doctor you're likely to see short of a shrink
54:14 <Nothing\> jaymax, my grandfather had it too so i know i'm at risk
54:17 <jaymax> Prostate cancer is also easilytreated compared to other malignancies.
54:28 <Nothing\> oh for sure
54:33 <Nothing\> but i heard the surgery sucks
54:35 <jaymax> Nothing\: *every* man is at risk.
54:44 <Nothing\> i read once that it feels like getting kicked in the nads
54:50 <Nothing\> i dunno how
54:56 <coppice> jaymax: most old men have prostate cancer, but its slow and not a big killer. Only if we can increase lifespans significantly would it start to be a major issue
54:57 <jaymax> You just live long enough to get it, and them (probably) live some more.
55:06 <Nothing\> it has nothing to do with your nads aside from the piping
55:14 <jaymax> coppice: exactly nmy point.
55:17 <Nothing\> jaymax, that's basically the case for all cancers
55:26 <Nothing\> well, a lot of cancers
55:36 <Nothing\> i guess there ARE some cancers that are caused by other things
55:59 <jaymax> More specifically, GPs don't prescribe it to men in their 30's because the risk would come *too* early in life.
56:02 <Nothing\> or other diseases too that are the result of say, oxidative stress damage
56:11 <jaymax> Once you're 70, noone cares.
56:20 <Nothing\> no one cares anyways
56:24 <Nothing\> our health care is broken
56:29 <Nothing\> especially out there, i hear
56:34 <coppice> as we increase lifespan all sorts of new issues have show up. Achieving a seriously longer life span would involve fixing thousands of separate issues
56:41 <Nothing\> out there meaning the marities
56:45 <Nothing\> maritimes
56:47 <jaymax> No, as in when you're 70, *you* are not going to care about it.
57:20 <Nothing\> coppice, lol yeah then there are people like Aubrey DeGrey who are like "the first person to live to be 1,000 has already been born!"
57:21 <coppice> so far expended life has mostly been about avoid infection and major physical injury. it has all been low hanging fruit
57:24 <jaymax> Men who reach 70 don't care about thiose things that enter their life.
57:33 <coppice> extending
58:41 <Nothing\> coppice, although i agree with DeGrey's multi-system approach where he doesn't just treat ONE aspect of aging, but the whole gamut of problems. And he's been working on solving/treating them one by one. Rather than jus claiming he has the cute to aing or whatever some day.
59:33 <Nothing\> i started watching a presentation by a guy who was into anti-aging research but his work only seemed to focus on one area, which I don't even remember what it was.
59:48 <Nothing\> I just remember wondering why he didn't even so much as mention telomeres
59:52 <Nothing\> or free radicals
00:05 <Nothing\> or you know, any other basic things that cause aging
00:23 <Nothing\> maybe focus on those first before we start with the stuff we don't understand
01:00 <Nothing\> still i'd be more interested in finding a cure for dementia
01:22 <Nothing\> that in itself would increase life expectancy a great deal. Not to mention make the last decade or so of life a lot more tolerable.
01:42 <Nothing\> speaking of, isn't that so sad about Bruce Willis having dementia now?
02:01 <Nothing\> he seems like he was one of the few celebrities who was a genuinely good, down to earth person.
02:19 <Nothing\> at least from the off-set anecdotes i've seen
02:39 <Nothing\> and how good he is with his family. Even with Demi Moore.
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21:49 <coppice> Nothing\: he does see the problem as having multiple dimensions, but the claim about 1000 year old being alive, with a straight face that seems to be more than BS to sustain funding, menas he's till very unrealistic
23:49 <coppice> Nothing\: for one thing there has ONLY been progress on keeping the body fitter. The mind still degrades at the same pace. An old folks home full of zombies is one of the saddest places in the world
24:16 <Nothing\> what would you guys suggest for seamlessly fixing an acrylic dowel that broke?
24:56 <Nothing\> one of the legs on my mum's display shelf i got for her rocks broke and i'm trying to decide what would look nicest, JB Weld, Hot snot, or generic 2 part epoxy
25:13 <Nothing\> oh, or cyanoacrylate
25:50 <Nothing\> I forgot i had that. It might be my best bet I think.
26:24 <rust7> if you forgot, it is dry. hmm, but it is you, is it more than a week old?
27:38 <Nothing\> maybe a month or two, but yeah i'm expecting that.
54:30 Quit: Nothing\ (~Pendragon@cpe9050ca20a183-cm9050ca20a180.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) Quit: Leaving
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30:10 Set By: (ChanOP) on: Sat Jun 04 09:17:37 2022
30:10 <electrohead> Apparently your browsing the command center page :D
30:10 <steve30> yup
30:10 <electrohead> Which, is waayyy out of date.
30:10 <electrohead> I'm planning on redoing a few things, like taking that command center page down, and .. other things
30:10 <electrohead> so, two puzzles on that page.
30:10 <electrohead> one is a bit on the easy side, the other is a bit advanced
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