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00:02 <Nothing\> Ampera, why not express your sexuality in your own way?
00:09 <Nothing\> who cares if other people "get it"
00:13 <Nothing\> it's for you
00:14 <jaymax> ^
00:18 <jaymax> Double ^^
00:23 <Ampera> I mean, it's not in a sense. No matter what I do, I always /will/ be a man, just a man who has done certain body modifications or looks and presents himself as a certain way
00:49 <jaymax> That's what makes the whole trans argument bullshit.
00:57 <jaymax> So just live your damn life.
01:01 <jaymax> LOL
01:27 <Ampera> I'm trying, and in essence, my long term strategy is to just be subtle.
01:41 <Nothing\> Ampera, jaymax makes a point that perhaps you may be overthinking this to some degree. I know I do the same all the time without realizing it.
01:51 <Ampera> I think that's the best move and, if anything, the one thing that will save me. So many people I've seen run into the drugs and the surgery like it'll fix them right away.
02:36 <Ampera> I think overthinking is a misnomer. I'd say it's more like writing a letter, in the sense that the more time spent, the shorter it is.
03:03 <Nothing\> Ampera, absolutely do what you're comfortable with and at the pace you're comfortable doing it. Despite the pollution those dipshits put in your head back in day, you don't have to feel pressured to be anything other than who you are. And so long as that hurts nobody, I say you do that unapologetically.
03:13 <Nothing\> and definitely without second thoughts
03:15 <Ampera> The true final moves and solution will no doubt be succinct and hindsightly obvious.
03:39 <Ampera> but the process to figuring out how to get there is inevitably complicated and deeply philosophical
03:53 <Nothing\> Ampera, as is anything worth attaining in life
04:07 <Nothing\> for better or worse
04:15 <jaymax> Because I had that struggle with different impacts (lopped off a nut), I'll tell you right now that after a few years, I didn't care - in either direction. I'm *just* an eccentric Canadian asshole on IRC.
04:20 <Nothing\> anywho i've gotta start getting ready for the clinic
04:28 <Ampera> I think the big practical concern I have is HRT is and will change my body in ways that might not be so easy to just live with, and that I may want to reckon with.
04:34 <Nothing\> you guys take care while i go out into that nasty real word
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05:06 <Ampera> I actually love working in meatspace with real people, and to me, a life where my body has changed into something I no longer want to show people is a complete failure.
05:12 <jaymax> HRT's are cancer fertilizers, for instance.
05:54 <Ampera> I don't care. I've made the decision that the alternative is worse.
07:16 <jaymax> I don't believe that but I'm not in a position to try to convince otherwise.
07:28 <Ampera> While I understand the naivety of the belief, I do not care about a long life, I care about a good life.
07:55 <Ampera> beyond that, these years are the most important of my life, and I want to preserve them however I can.
08:03 <Ampera> I'm only 16, 18, 21, 25, whatever, once
08:14 <jaymax> I'm just reminded of a quote abour privacy and freedom, now.
08:45 <jaymax> > these years are the most important of my life
08:50 <jaymax> Well that's just narcissism
09:12 <Ampera> jaymax, ultimately I do not want either option. Even now I constantly think about stopping, but I can still feel the frame of mind that I had before, and I am almost certain it would just make things horrible again
09:30 <Ampera> well who cares, it's my life, I intend to live it as good as I can
09:43 <jaymax> Indeed, there.
09:43 <Ampera> what else is the point of living
11:10 <Ampera> I do not enjoy mistakes, particularly big permanent ones. The reality is that I can't see the future, I do not know what my problem is, and while I can't say I've asked a large number of people, I am fairly sure nobody else actually knows either.
11:54 <jaymax> You won't like this answer: you're young without a purpose. That's your problem.
12:07 <Ampera> For me, every day was hell. It was a constant surge of hormonal urge that I couldn't express, and I could only keep bottled up. Night after night just laying in bed would be a form of mental agony with nothing else to think about besides where I was and how much it hurt.
12:26 <Ampera> I have a purpose. My purpose is to die with a high score.
12:28 <jaymax> An increasing amount of youth have that existential dread.
12:52 <Ampera> Accomplish as much as I can. Help as many people as I can, make as many things as I can, learn as many things as I can, and experience as many things as I can.
13:12 <Ampera> I cannot think of there to be any other point to life than to live it as much as possible.
14:39 <jaymax> Then focus on "Help as many people as I can, make as many things as I can, learn as many things as I can, and experience as many things as I can." instead of perfecting a veneer. The latter is what narcissists do while convincing themselves of doing the former.
14:41 <Ampera> The best thing in my life right now is being able to write code that does stuff. It's having a job that genuinely has an impact on people's daily lives, and it's being able to provide things to others they otherwise wouldn't have.
15:18 <Ampera> jaymax, I think you're misunderstanding my intent. I do not intend to construct the perfect body. I intend to construct the body that makes me feel the best, and lets me do the most things.
16:01 <jaymax> Perfection doesn't exist, so they're still the same things in my head.
16:36 <jaymax> For instance, how do you grow a garden?
16:45 <Ampera> Inevitably I need a body to experience things, and perhaps the most definite description of what my problem is, is that I do not believe I can experience the most things that I want to in my male body.
17:35 <Ampera> There are things that I want to experience and feel that I know I cannot the way I am.
18:02 <Ampera> and if there is no other point to life but to experience and feel the things I want to, then I'm left with an impasse.
18:19 <jaymax> Do you load up on all the garden tools, hoophouse stuff and go all in? Or do you just dig into a patch of dirt with a borrowed shovel?
18:42 <Ampera> jaymax, for my projects, the goal and the means are often the same thing.
18:56 <Ampera> If I want to grow a garden, it's because I want to experiment with the means of doing so, not because I simply want a garden.
19:15 <Ampera> I don't follow recipes.
19:26 <jaymax> You're missing the point. How do you start a garden?
20:02 <Ampera> Kidnap a small child, force feed him seeds until he dies from it, and then bury the body.
20:50 <jaymax> LOL. Too many need to have everything to a certain point of satisfaction before they're satisfied with dropping in the first seed. You just start.
21:56 <Ampera> Sure, but you're missing my point. If I buy a load of things for the purpose of doing stuff, even when it's more than I should buy to start, it's because the goal is not to do that thing, it's to play around with those tools.
22:13 <jaymax> The whole "feel the best" as a pre-requisite to "lets me do the most things" is an admission to put your life on hold.
22:45 <jaymax> > I intend to construct the body that makes me feel the best, and lets me do the most things.
23:39 <jaymax> Doing thing makes you feel better. The dividends on that constructs "the body that makes me feel the best", and on and on./
23:47 <Ampera> What am I putting on hold? What big glorious life was I supposed to be living, but because I fucked up and believed I had a problem, I suddenly stopped doing?
24:03 <Ampera> Why can't I live my life, and try to improve it at the same time?
24:24 <Ampera> Why must I do the things that I feel like I am missing out on /right now/ even if I know I will hate doing them?
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00:50 <rust7> hey "people"
01:15 <Kuschelpony> Hello
01:15 <Ampera> hello rust7
01:22 <Ampera> how is the oxidizing going
01:44 <rust7> oh, I am turning a blyatiful orange-brown.
02:01 <rust7> it is grrreat
02:06 <Ampera> horrowshow
02:21 <Ampera> er, *w -> r, but the joke works either way
02:48 <rust7> oh, that too, but I only have time to play with my victims on the weekends...
05:08 <rust7> I can only listen to dead skin mask now, on the work days. Bu that is fine too, i keeps me in the mood
13:10 <Ampera> in the mood is glenn miller tho
15:00 <rust7> that is a good tune too. I used to listen to that a lot, when I was short
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06:33 <Nothing\> lol i gave my kitty an ice cube on a plate to play with. She's really intrigued.
07:27 <rust7> https://uspto.report/TM/88094088
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19:53 <Nothing\> ah alive as ever
20:03 <Nothing\> godspeed
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20:08 <steve30> i think i'll have a coffee
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31:10 <jaymax> !coffee steve30
31:10 * EEVBot drowns steve30 in coffee
31:22 <jaymax> There we go
32:36 <rust7> blub blub blub blub
32:52 <steve30> :)
40:08 <rust7> https://youtu.be/-xZpGxqMOZM
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03:49 <steve30> Well, 3g was quite reliable yesterday. Today its getting a lot of packet loss.
16:16 <jaymax> Government is snooping in too much wondering why you're trying to avoid the 5G jab.
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42:39 <T3sl4> Ampera: https://imgur.com/gallery/7aO8PgW
42:39 <EEVBot> [url] When you see nice buns in the mirror - Album on Imgur | imgur.com
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54:46 <arch> snagged a near mint condition looking slim ps3 for $90 in total
55:04 <arch> and it supports cfw too, woo
55:39 <T3sl4> cowboys from wreck
56:58 <arch> cunts from work
57:15 <T3sl4> cankles for wankles
00:22 <arch> T3sl4, https://i.imgur.com/2lXPjic.png
01:06 <T3sl4> bad bot
01:54 <arch> https://i.pinimg.com/736x/a2/31/9d/a2319d9a739c9baea0d1ff2f7a8e397f.jpg
02:09 <T3sl4> good meme
03:38 <arch> i'm going to train chatgpt. it's going to be recommending the mc34063 to engineers around the world. muahaha
04:28 <T3sl4> sabotaging the AI, nice
43:39 <DogWombleTheSecond> can we also sabotage it so it says the 6502 is the best processor ever made? :P
02:49 <jaymax> How is that sabotage? It's already fact.
04:37 <electrohead> o/
05:44 <jaymax> https://files.maxuel.compy.ca:5281/upload/KwhwJbHjMkQu-Tki/vTaw2JpsSW6R6VbQ2_EA-w.jpg
07:02 <jaymax> \o_
07:03 <EEVBot> |
07:03 <EEVBot> / }
11:55 * jaymax fingers electrohead like a polished bowling ball
12:44 <electrohead> 6502 ftw \m/
13:01 <jaymax> Hell yah dude!
13:45 <electrohead> Speaking of 8 bit things .. my parts showed up today, to mod the Atari 800
13:47 <electrohead> :D
14:09 <jaymax> Neatos
17:51 <electrohead> Yeah I got the ultimate video mod, and the incognito board, along with the fujinet adapter to get it networked/online
01:47 <T3sl4> steve30: https://imgur.com/gallery/X3fE9Ng
01:47 <EEVBot> [url] The blue Mew - Album on Imgur | imgur.com
02:26 <steve30> meow
03:49 * jaymax offers the steve30 some warm milk
04:28 * steve30 adds coffee
05:04 <jaymax> :^3
06:45 <electrohead> kitty!
10:06 <jaymax> https://teddit.net/r/bodegacats/comments/11ibf2u/oh_hello_the_foot_tho/
10:07 <EEVBot> [url] Oh hello!! The foot tho : bodegacats | teddit.net
10:27 <jaymax> A titten from teddit.
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13:47 <jaymax> https://teddit.net/pics/w:null_vfhdqwkqkkla1.png
35:04 <DogWombleTheSecond> i tort i taw a puddy tad, i did i did taw a puddy tat
36:34 Nick: DogWombleTheSecond is now known as DogWomble
40:25 <jaymax> DogWombleTheSecond: https://comediva.com/images/stories/2012/animatedpussyfoot.gif
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40:44 <electrohead> I'm totally buying this
41:51 <jaymax> It's your funeral.
47:02 <electrohead> jaymax: this is the one I have right now: https://hellfirehotsauce.com/products/doomed
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47:08 <electrohead> dude it's wicked
47:10 <electrohead> lol
48:41 <Ampera> https://pastebin.com/erdw6hNS
48:42 <EEVBot> [url] root@AmpServer:/# zpool listNAME SIZE ALLOC FREE CKPOINT EXPANDS - Pastebin.com | pastebin.com
48:52 <Ampera> >:D
56:43 <electrohead> Assroot? Fucking lol
58:15 <Ampera> was ampserver-storage
58:20 <Ampera> back when I had a separate computer and storage server
58:26 <Ampera> It's there because I haven't taken it out yet.
59:03 <jaymax> `mdraid` for lazy fucks
59:14 <Ampera> zfs does stuff that md can't
59:37 <Ampera> honestly, it does stuff even LVM can't do
59:53 <jaymax> You can turn a mdraid PC off.
00:08 <Ampera> I can turn a ZFS PC off?
00:20 <jaymax> But then you miss your precious scrubs
00:22 <Ampera> I run it on my regular thinkpad. It's a fairly resilient filesystem. I've never had it lose me data.
00:35 <Ampera> so what
00:53 <Ampera> ZFS is great. There is no better storage solution.
00:59 <jaymax> That's why people love ZFS despite the performance hit, no?
01:14 <Ampera> I honestly haven't had any performance issues with ZFS
01:36 <Ampera> my systems all have tons of RAM, but even when they didn't, it worked just fine
01:50 <Ampera> My thinkpad has NVMe SSDs and they scream pretty good with ZFS
02:02 <jaymax> What counts as "not tons"?
03:05 <Ampera> like 12GB?
03:12 <jaymax> That's tons.
03:21 <Ampera> not really, it's less then every single daily use system I own
03:27 <Ampera> with my phone matching it
04:19 <Ampera> A lot of the talk about memory requirements is really centered around optimal configuration for servers. A lot of it doesn't apply or matter in a lower end or desktop configuration.
04:39 <jaymax> 8GB is a pipe dream anywhere around me, aside from three pieces of kit.
05:00 <Ampera> In my experience, ZFS is about as good as any other option in terms of performance. It's a lot more complex and hard to manage (I'd say it's harder to install and run than md or lvm), but the feature set is just incredible.
05:30 <Ampera> You basically get the equivalent of per-directory filesystem options, allowing you to compress, encrypt, and snapshot almost anything at any granularity
05:33 <Ampera> CoW is nice too
06:15 <jaymax> ext4 on metal is 90% of my setups
06:47 <Ampera> My lowest RAM PC that I have in my proximity is my Surface Pro 8, with 16GB of RAM
07:06 <Ampera> The actual lowest is a 32MB 486, but it's not exactly a daily use machine
07:11 <jaymax> Ampera: how TF do you even save up for a house downpayment?
07:25 <Ampera> ?
07:38 <Ampera> by working hard and saving a third of every dollar I make?
08:16 <jaymax> Seems like if you changed that ratio from 33% to 40%, you'd already be in a house.
08:35 <Ampera> not really
08:43 <jaymax> the fuck?
09:10 <Ampera> I have close to 40k in the bank right now. It being 50k would obviously be better, but it's not going to be the difference between me having a house and not
09:21 <Ampera> it's a lot more about being in the right time and place to get a good deal on both a loan and a house
10:10 <Ampera> and 40k being 33% of my net income is a rough guess. I've been working for 3 years as of this point, with a gross income of between 40k and 50k
10:34 <Ampera> so it probably /is/ closer to 40%
11:19 <jaymax> Well, seems to me you're blowing paychecks harder than an Asian hooker.
11:34 * steve30 can't afford a house
11:39 <Ampera> Not really. A lot of the money I do spend has been in an investment on my career and skills.
12:03 <jaymax> Tax-deductible then?
12:07 <Ampera> I /have/ spent some thousands on computers, but those computers are also the means with which I become more valuable as an employee.
12:12 <Ampera> Nope, that doesn't work that way here.
12:35 <jaymax> Oh. Well it can.
12:52 <Ampera> No. You cannot deduct professional expenses from your personal income tax unless you are actually running a business.
12:58 <Ampera> That I know of, I am not a tax lawyer.
13:00 <jaymax> LLC biatch
13:16 <jaymax> Or in my case, I'm a landlord.
13:56 <Ampera> LLCs aren't exactly cheap to form. The money I'd save in deductions would probably not come close to the amount I'd spend
14:08 <Ampera> It's also a lot of time and energy I could spend on literally anything else
14:42 <jaymax> For instance, I can claim mortgage interest, utilities, and repairs.
15:09 <Ampera> A big difference too is that, despite my living in NY, my income tax is almost certainly less than yours.
15:13 <Ampera> Probably even after your deductions
15:30 <jaymax> Canucks inherently pay more in tax.
15:37 <Ampera> last I checked the difference between my net and gross is somewhere around 20% or so
16:58 <Ampera> There's also a lot more to factor into my expenses than just computers. I own a car, buy my own food, and have minor expenses in recreational things like guitars and camping.
17:10 <Ampera> You know, living my life :)
17:26 <jaymax> > Well, seems to me you're blowing paychecks harder than an Asian hooker.
17:40 <jaymax> ;^)
17:49 <Ampera> I don't see how 40k in the bank at age 21 is blowing paychecks
18:08 <Ampera> but you can set your own criteria for life success (while telling me how I should live my life :P)
18:15 <jaymax> It took you three years to get there?
18:26 <Ampera> I started working almost exactly 3 years ago.
18:39 <jaymax> ok
19:24 <Ampera> The majority of my peers were closer to 40k in debt by my age.
19:40 <jaymax> Anyway, my entire point is: "8GB is a pipe dream anywhere around me, aside from three pieces of kit."
19:52 <jaymax> Even my work don't acheive that.
20:13 <jaymax> ...anywhere near consistently
20:45 <Ampera> Both of my work machines (that my company pays for) have 16GB of RAM
21:20 <Ampera> I've actually got fairly low end stuff too. Most of my peers have better machines than I do.
21:21 <steve30> I used some self service tills the other week which had stickers on them saying they had 32GB RAM
22:21 <jaymax> For 12GB RAM to be considered lean, speaks to a higher lifestyle than many norms.
22:40 <jaymax> That's "high roller" in my circles.
22:49 <Ampera> I consider 8GB to be too small to work with for most modern machines.
23:02 <jaymax> And i'm the "high roller" person in those circles.
23:33 <Ampera> Keep expressing to me your inferiority through trying to tell me how to live my life, though. It's cute.
24:17 * electrohead sips his beer
24:22 * Ampera hugs electrohead 
24:25 <Ampera> how are you do friend?
24:41 <DogWomble> yeah, i consider 8gb to be the bare minimum - you could get a low-end office type machine with that, but beyond that, 16gb or more is more useful
24:56 <DogWomble> my last machine was 32gb, this one is 64
25:22 <Ampera> My thinkpad and server are 64GB machines. My old compute server was 128GB, but I stopped using it because the electricity was getting too expensive.
25:25 <Ampera> It's still in my cellar.
25:43 <jaymax> I agree yet I struggle to find gear that exceeds 8GB - unless it's server gear.
25:57 <DogWomble> yeah, i don't really need to go that far quite yet - even 32gb would be fine, my main reason for going 64 was more because i could
26:06 <Ampera> likewise
26:32 <Ampera> On my thinkpad I do semi-regularly use VMs and often have a lot of stuff going and happening, so I do come close to using it all, though
27:35 <DogWomble> when i built this machine, i had the choice of going ddr4 or ddr5 because the board i have comes in both viariants, 64gb of ddr4-3600 would have cost me about the same as 32gb of ddr5, i kinda figure i build my machines to have a 3-5 year lifespan, i kinda figured for my use by the time ddr5 could be in any way useful, i'll probably be building my next rig
28:37 <DogWomble> given the only real use i'd have for ddr5 is occasional gaming, and even then there's not much benefit yet - so i figured more of ddr4 would be more useful to me than less of ddr5
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33:24 <Nothing\> dangit i can't figure out how to mirror my phone's screen on my tv even though i'm 90% certain it's a native function
34:16 <Nothing\> i mean if they're both android devices i would assume they could do that but i'm just getting the run around trying to find out how
36:01 <Nothing\> ah well, one day
36:06 * steve30 collapses onto Nothing\ 
38:11 <steve30> i fancy going for a walk in the snow but i'm too tired
39:47 <Nothing\> ime the hard part's just getting started. But perhaps not if you're quite tired.
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44:20 <Nothing\> i am a shape (lalala)
44:41 * Ampera sneezes some shrapnel into a nearby wall
46:09 <Nothing\> muh spoon is too big
49:22 <electrohead> My anus is bleeding!
49:33 <electrohead> I mean .. I'm off to bed, goodnight y'all
49:37 <Nothing\> Ampera, ask me something about your work. for example, is there a problem you are having at the moment?
49:46 <Nothing\> i'm curious if i can solve it using... methods
49:55 <Nothing\> not google
50:15 <Nothing\> or at least say something meaningful about it
50:22 <Nothing\> or not
50:28 <Nothing\> nm lol i dunno what i'm saying
50:42 <Nothing\> hey whatever happened to the information superhighway
50:51 <Nothing\> if that was web 1.0, what's 2.0?
51:00 <Ampera> if you mean chatcpt, no
51:02 <Ampera> gpt
51:07 <Ampera> I have access to it anyways
51:14 <Nothing\> lol it's useful isn't it?
51:17 <Nothing\> in many ways
51:30 <Ampera> it's kinda dumb
51:36 <Ampera> but a neat accomplishment
51:42 <Nothing\> not just for programming but it seems to provide better information for queries than google ever did
52:32 <Nothing\> Ampera, it does have some ways to go. It's certainly not going to be writing any papers with how repetitive and roundabout it gets sometimes
52:51 <steve30> I think Web2.0 was just Web2.0
52:51 <Nothing\> actually the repetition is almost a given for any conversation
53:04 <Nothing\> steve30, was? I thought we hadn't yet transition to 3.0
53:08 <steve30> Web2.0 is quite an old fashioned tem now
53:16 <Nothing\> but i guess we are with streaming services and what not
53:21 <Nothing\> or is that web
53:35 <Nothing\> i mean they run through the web, but not exclusively
53:55 <jaymax> Web2.0 was AJAX all the into HTML5
54:15 <jaymax> Web1.0 was HTML<=4.0
54:47 <jaymax> all the *way into
54:52 * steve30 ponders food
56:04 <jaymax> But yeah, streaming - at least native streaming (not done by Realplayer or Macromedia plugins) is a Web2.0 feature.
57:14 <jaymax> ...as are infinity-scroll pages and the kind of self-reactive pages you'd be familiar with in webmail interfaces.
58:19 <jaymax> Not sure if you remember needing to refresh the inbox page on hotmail Nothing\ but needing to do that was back in the web1.0 days.
58:42 <jaymax> ...or any pre-Gmail equivalent.
04:09 <steve30> people seem to want phone apps for everything these days
13:56 <jaymax> I see a deep split on that assertion.
14:35 <jaymax> There's people in my life that are luddites and generally hate apps.
15:16 <jaymax> The kind that schedules a time in their day to sit down at the computer, kind of luddite.
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32:27 <DogWomble> From what limited stuff I've seen, it seems the crypto bros want Web 3.0 to be all about having blockchain everywhere
33:10 <DogWomble> i'm sure blockchain has it's uses, i'm just not convinced it and crypto are technologies that need to underpin everything
33:32 * steve30 passes DogWomble some blockchain
33:40 <steve30> There, a DogWomble 3.0 :)
33:44 <DogWomble> :D
45:22 <jaymax> Heh.
45:48 <steve30> Forgot the cloud
45:53 * steve30 puts DogWomble on a cloud
46:09 <steve30> everything has to be cloudy these days
46:10 * jaymax is similarly unconvinced Web3 has any point
47:41 <jaymax> Also, the JackTwit joke where he's promoting Web4 because Web3 is summarily Ethereum Monkey pics and Solana rotted-monkee pics.
51:04 <jaymax> "Web4" would be Nostr and other uses on top of Bitcoin, instead of a crypto ecosystem thing since there's that big pissing match between Bitcoin and Crypto (everything else).
51:40 * jaymax is similarly unconvinced Web4 has any point, too.
55:32 <jaymax> If the point was to distribute data and metadata as fault tolerance from censorship etc, then IPFS (with `git` or git-like attribution) seems plenty enough.
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57:40 <K> hello balconies
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18:09 <Ysjoelfir> mornings!
30:25 <Ysjoelfir> we got snow! like, 10 grams of that. for probably 2 hours, and than it'll be gone again
35:29 <K> eew.
37:10 <Ysjoelfir> yeah, I would wish for it to stay longer as well
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34:48 <steve30000> i'm going for a walk in the snow
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47:50 <steve30000> Ysjoelfir, the snow is ankle deep here
48:23 <steve30000> Looks like half the village is closed
01:08 <jaymax> The lower half?
01:17 <jaymax> ;^)
07:29 <jaymax> !coffee
07:29 * EEVBot hooks jaymax up to a coffee IV
07:33 <jaymax> Mmmmm
07:55 <jaymax> Happy Friday to me ... and to you guys too.
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13:00 <steve30000> jaymax, someone else made the exact same joke in another channel :)
13:03 <steve30000> hi Halcyon_
13:31 <jaymax> I blame little Miss Critical for that joke in the first place.
14:35 <jaymax> http://img2.joyreactor.com/pics/post/critical-miss-comics-cake-math-1180360.jpeg
14:36 <EEVBot> [url] Math and Cake / critical miss :: math :: cake :: comics (funny comics & strips, cartoons) / funny pictures & best jokes: comics, images, video, humor, gif animation - i lol'd | img2.joyreactor.com
26:20 <steve30000> !coffee
26:21 * EEVBot pours coffee down steve30000's throat
32:27 * jaymax adds a cup of cream chaser
36:55 <coppice> steve30000: we had deep snow in the grass earlier, but none on the roads. In the last hour it has all melted. I see green outside again
41:04 * steve30000 needs to stock up on camera film
41:54 <coppice> steve30000: have you noticed its 2023?
42:19 <Ampera> I have some steve30000 I'll fax you it
42:55 <jaymax> Ohai fellow hospital employees!
49:34 <steve30000> Ampera, but will the fax work over VoIP? Our POTS like was disconnected last week
49:36 <steve30000> *line
50:52 <Ampera> Does your ATA support T.38?
54:03 <steve30000> No idea
54:19 <Ampera> I think most do
54:34 <steve30000> tbh modems should work fine over the G711 codec which i use, but I wouldn't be surprised if they struggle with those fancy modern codecs
55:58 <Ampera> G711 is the convenience store of codecs
56:14 <steve30000> i should probably install a fax software on a thinkpad then i can send/receive faxes
56:47 <Ampera> I think my 486 still has WinFax installed on it
56:54 <Ampera> It hasn't been booted in a hot minute, so I don't know
57:08 <coppice> steve30000: modems won't generally work with ATAs, even if you use G.711
57:54 <Ampera> You say, as all the pizza stores cry out in horror
00:01 <coppice> The only people who get reliable results with modems through ATAs, are telcos who sync their clocks to an atomic clock source
00:21 <Ampera> I got it to work off my Obi200, but I cranked the bitrate down to 9600
00:54 <coppice> to work reliably, or to kinda work some of the time. An Obi won't be reliable
02:09 <Ampera> I mean the pizza I ordered with it showed up
02:13 <Ampera> so idk what more you want
03:37 <coppice> its interesting how much better people find FAX works at 9600 than at 14400 using an ATA. There must be some really crappy hardware in a lot of those ATAs.
04:09 <steve30000> I'll have to get ampera to fax me at some point to test it
04:43 <Ampera> the setup I used is very taken apart, but I'll do it when I move out and have the space to set it back up again
04:45 <coppice> Unless the ATA uses a sophisticated clock sync mechanism, which none of them do, they aren't reliable at any speed above a basic 300bps V.21 or Bell 103 modem
04:56 <Ampera> I shove it through GV, so a call to the UK should be affordable
10:53 <coppice> The number of issues we get with unsynchronised ADC/DAC clocks is crazy. Echo cancelling between speaker and mic on a sound card made in the last 20 years requires a horibly complex sample rate conversion, because the ADC and DAC clocks are not locked. Blame cludely implemented SP/DIF interfaces for that
12:13 <K> that's a paddlin'!
12:14 * Ampera passes coppice a cup of milked up earl grey
15:15 <coppice> Ampera: heathen
15:19 <Ampera> >:D
15:33 <Ampera> the nice tart orange and milk combination
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