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00:02:11 <electrohead> o/
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00:29:33 <Ampera> Atypical print failure
00:29:45 <Ampera> the fitting that attaches the filament tube to the head somehow unscrewed itself
00:30:09 <Ampera> so the motor that actually pushes the filament just kept going, even though it wasn't actually making it into the print head
00:30:16 <Ampera> for like 25m of filament
00:30:38 <rust8> whoops
00:31:05 <Ampera> I managed to roll it all back onto the spool
00:32:26 <rust8> are the threads ok?
00:34:16 <Ampera> Yeah. I had to disassemble the head to put it back on, because there's a piece into there that fell out it was screwed to
00:34:29 <Kuschelpony> lol
00:34:31 <Ampera> the only thing I can think is the moving of the head over enough time managed to work it loose
00:34:45 <Kuschelpony> that reminds me of my attempts to print in TPE
00:38:31 <electrohead> Ampera: that's what she said
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00:46:18 * Ampera gives electrohead head
00:46:49 <Ampera> of course, nowhere near as succulent as your brand of electro"head"
00:47:33 <electrohead> the shiny one, yeah
00:48:13 <Ampera> how are you doing electrobread
01:04:39 <electrohead> yeah good, how about you?
01:05:08 <Ampera> waking up slowly
01:05:15 <Ampera> had to restart that print. It's an 8 hour print, so that's annoying
01:05:47 <Ampera> Wasn't a complete waste though, it had printed enough for me to see I made a mistake in the design, so it saved me from that.
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01:38:13 <electrohead> well that's good
01:38:21 <electrohead> what printer do you have?
01:38:28 <electrohead> I forget if you mentioned or not
02:07:47 <Ampera> An XYZPrinting DaVinci Jr. 1.0 Pro
02:08:02 <Ampera> that I was given very kindly, for free, as a christmas present
02:08:31 <Ampera> and it does support generic filament (XYZPrinting actually vendor locks filament in some of their printers, no, really)
02:09:07 <Ampera> It has yet to kill itself, and the print quality is acceptable. It does not have a heated bed, and despite having a plastic enclosure, does not control temperature.
02:09:12 <Ampera> so PLA and PETG are about all it can really print
02:09:26 <coppice> Ampera: our son is using 3D printers at college, and it has got me thinking about them again. This happens every couple of years. Hopefully I won't sucker myself into buying, as they seem like a huge time sink
02:09:57 <rust8> try to at least not buy an old one, lol
02:10:01 <Ampera> coppice, they are a massive time sink, but they are also invaluable if you are making almost anything mechanical or embedded.
02:10:27 <Ampera> If possible, I'd see if you can source an Ender 3 near you, and put it together. They sell for around 160$ off Amazon, and are somewhat solid in my understanding.
02:10:39 <Ampera> In which case, it's a time sink, not a money sink.
02:11:29 <Ampera> I think what I hate the most about using them is all CAD software sucks for me. It's very hard to turn a 3D idea in your brain into a 3D object with most of them
02:11:45 <Ampera> as they are all focused on turning 2D drawings into 3D objects, which is not how my brain works.
02:12:04 <Ampera> ymmv
02:13:00 <Kuschelpony> Ampera, so how does your brain works, perhaps there is a solution
02:15:58 <Ampera> Years of 3D video games have educated it very well how to navigate and manipulate a 3D environment. TinkerCAD is the closest option that lets me do CSG fully in 3D with no drawings
02:16:08 <Ampera> the controls for it suck ass, though.
02:16:28 <Ampera> I used to be able to figure out the same sorta thing in Fusion 360, but the controls for it suck even harder
02:17:44 <coppice> Ampera: at our son's uni they have a new room full 3D printers - several 10k pound ultimakers and a number of flashforge adventure 3s. he has been using the expensive ones
02:18:15 <coppice> AMpera: interestingly they don't have any resin ones
02:20:10 <Ampera> Resin printers look cool, but they seem somewhat impractical to me. Possibly nice for small parts, but complicated to use for big stuff you can do in a FDM printer
02:20:28 <Ampera> I have never used one, so I don't know
02:20:50 <rust8> they also seem to do very nice detailed things. but if you are making boxes, I do not see the point
02:21:14 <coppice> I haven't seen a modern one in operation, but the 1980s resin ones were amazing
02:24:21 <coppice> the 1980s ones could produce a very precise surface, Smooth or with a well controlled texturing pattern, just like plastic moulding
02:24:51 <coppice> the surface finish with the filament printers has improved a lot, but its still a weakness
02:36:43 <Kuschelpony> Ampera where i work, the neighbour group has one resin printer in use
02:37:03 <Kuschelpony> very small detailed parts, but a mess to deal with and stuff is fragile
02:37:17 <K> for boxes i suggest getting 0.6 nozzle
02:37:31 <Kuschelpony> they use it to print parts to make silicone molds for epoxy "real" parts
02:37:31 <K> if the head can handle it
02:38:26 <Kuschelpony> rust, or print just a box "skeleton" with slits for sheets cut from plastic sheets
02:39:01 <K> or that, yes
02:39:10 <K> if you can readily cut acrylic
02:40:04 <Kuschelpony> its not that bad if you can cut it wet
02:46:07 <rust8> I have only printed one box, as I think it is a bad idea, but it seems to be a popular use, for 3d printers
02:47:07 <rust8> and, yes, that box turned out pretty nice, but I am not sure it was worth 20+ hours of printing, when I can just make a box from sheet material, in no time
02:48:44 <Kuschelpony> yep
02:51:39 <arch> how do you do, fellow engineers?
02:52:09 <arch> Kuschelpony, i made a thermal camera. this https://github.com/danjulio/tCam
02:52:10 <EEVBot> [GitHub] danjulio/tCam - Thermal imaging cameras based on the ESP32 and Lepton 3.5 | 94.9% C 3.6% Python 1.3% OpenSCAD 0.2% Other | Last Push: 2023-03-18 - 05:21:48UTC | Stargazers: 34 | Watchers: 2 | Forks: 9 | Network: 9 | Open Issues: 1
02:52:14 <arch> it's so cool
02:52:32 <arch> about $375 in parts, total, and 30 minutes of soldering. super smooth
02:52:33 <Kuschelpony> hello arch, thanks for sharing
02:53:34 <electrohead> !engineersay
02:53:34 <EEVBot> Your test equipment is lying to you and it is your job to figure out how.
02:53:54 <arch> !t3sl4say
02:53:58 <arch> "buh"
02:54:03 <electrohead> lol
02:54:29 <arch> !nothing\say
02:54:40 <arch> "blah blah blah bloo? blee blah boo!"
02:55:05 <arch> *insert sentences taking up half the chatlog*
02:58:15 <electrohead> ahahahaha
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04:42:20 <jaymax> !electroheadsay
04:42:20 <jaymax> * beers everyone
04:43:21 <jaymax> !engineersay
04:43:21 <EEVBot> My wife said to me that the spark between us had gone. So I tasered her. I’ll ask her again when she wakes up.
04:44:07 <jaymax> !engineersay
04:44:07 <EEVBot> Engineers like to solve problems. If there are no problems handily available, they will create their own problems.
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04:58:27 <Kuschelpony> wow https://chaos.social/@netzfrequenz/110051056276628219
04:58:28 <EEVBot> [url] netzfrequenz.info: "Die #Netzfrequenz hat gerade einen beeindruckende…" - chaos.social | chaos.social
05:23:40 <Flare> Hi, is anyone able to help me find a replacement for this 50k linear pot with switch please?
05:23:42 <Flare> https://imgur.com/a/74HoW5M
05:23:42 <EEVBot> [url] Imgur: The magic of the Internet | imgur.com
05:24:24 <Flare> it's from an Iwatsu SS-6122, though I believe the SS-5711 and related scopes are the same, I'm having to use the manual from one of them
05:24:58 <Flare> It's for the variable horizontal timing switch, the switch contact operates at the far clockwise direction
05:25:27 <Flare> which unfortunately is probably the opposite of most pots with a switch (for volume knobs)
05:26:40 <Kuschelpony> yes, i hope someone here will find one for you
05:26:55 <Flare> the pcb on this one had broken between the legs and the track
05:29:11 <Flare> I'm mostly amazed how poor most electronics parts distributors search engines are, I don't even think it's possible to search for pots with switches on RS, aliexpress search finds similar ones but they are all none branded
05:30:33 <Flare> thanks Kuschelpony, if you have suggestions for other places to ask/look that would be useful too
05:30:59 <Kuschelpony> ooof i wish i would know
05:31:10 <rust8> does the device have space for something like a pot, and a swtich behind it? Not that I know who has switches to stick to pots...
05:37:50 <Flare> https://i.imgur.com/l0OOnwM.jpg
05:38:02 <Flare> it's got all the space in the world behind it to be fiar
05:38:02 <Flare> fair
05:38:31 <Flare> but it does really need to be combined
05:39:33 <Flare> basically when the switch is all the way to the CW: it is in the calibrated position and iirc that breaks the switch contact, which turns off the led (that indicates uncalibrated)
05:39:59 <Flare> at this point the track is just metal I think, so no resistance
05:40:31 <Flare> to turn it all CCW you must actuate the switch to put it on the 50k track, which turns on the uncalibrated LED
05:40:43 <Flare> then it is variable up to 50k
05:41:28 <rust8> my old japan scope has those thru the end of the knobs. I do not really remember what they looked like, or their values
05:49:20 <Flare> well it's a 1985 or so Japanese scope I'm "repairing" so that makes sense
05:49:22 <Flare> https://imgur.com/a/4lYPV1r
05:49:23 <EEVBot> [url] Imgur: The magic of the Internet | imgur.com
05:50:11 <rust8> mine is a kikusui 5520. maybe it uses something similar
05:58:07 <Flare> my Hameg has a detent at fully CW but I can't remember if it has an actual switch inside at this point
05:59:18 <rust8> I think they do. but I know nothing, lol
06:06:15 <arch> woooo, successfully delidded my ps3 fat! electrohead
06:06:30 <arch> buuut i did nick a part of the cpu. thankfully, it was a ground pour
06:06:35 <arch> or it woulda been dead
06:07:07 <arch> i nicked part of the laquer off where a ground pour was, and it was only a few mm from really tiny traces
06:07:25 <arch> cpu temps are now less than 60C with 40% fan speed
06:08:27 <arch> oh and also accidentally delidded one of the nec tokin caps
06:08:43 <arch> i used superglue to put it back lol (plastic cap covering)
06:09:22 <arch> not really concerned about the caps tho. if they blow up, i can easily solder on some latest gen alum poly 7443 caps in parallel
06:11:23 <electrohead> how/why did you nick it? lol
06:11:27 <electrohead> knick?
06:12:02 <rust8> because he is such a nerd, and could not leave it alone
06:12:16 <arch> i used a paint knife
06:12:29 <arch> they are really slim
06:12:46 <electrohead> I mean, why are you messing with the CPU? did it show up broke?
06:13:10 <arch> no. that fat psu i actually found in the dumpster. the owner threw it out because it sounded like a jet engine
06:13:21 <arch> the fat ps3s are notorious for overheating with age
06:13:35 <arch> because fuckwad sony used silicone glue to glue the heatsink shut
06:13:43 <arch> or rather the heatspreader
06:14:01 <arch> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAqqNAGpgls
06:14:01 <EEVBot> [YouTube] PS3 CPU delidding with a hot gun and a paint knife | 32s | Channel: Amateur Hardware Repair | 829 views | 2022-04-11 - 08:44:33UTC
06:14:27 <electrohead> ooohh, ok ok
06:14:34 <electrohead> yeah mine never had an issue
06:14:38 <arch> i also used painting knife #1
06:14:48 <electrohead> also, just got done making up some pickled garlic and onion <3
06:14:54 <arch> electrohead, i checked the usage log, and it's been used for over 200 days CONTINUOUS
06:15:00 <arch> so 200 x 24 hours
06:15:06 <electrohead> damn
06:15:25 <arch> brb later to brag some more
06:15:59 <Flare> are you guys using them as PS3s or running linux or something
06:16:12 <Kuschelpony> for those who can read german language, you can now actually buy the first car with sodium ion battery https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6yFp4WsNak
06:16:12 <EEVBot> [YouTube] Schnorcheln am 18.03.2023 im Palm Beach | 2m 22s | Channel: DJKiki94 | 5 views | 2023-03-18 - 11:46:57UTC
06:16:17 <Flare> I have a rooted thin one I use once a year
06:16:18 <Kuschelpony> wrong link
06:16:27 <Kuschelpony> that one https://www.golem.de/news/akkutechnik-haina-stellt-erstes-auto-mit-natrium-ionen-akku-vor-2302-172125.amp.html
06:16:28 <EEVBot> [url] Akkutechnik: Hina stellt erstes Auto mit Natrium-Ionen-Akku vor - Golem.de | www.golem.de
06:17:22 <electrohead> Flare: yes
06:17:24 <electrohead> lol
06:17:36 <electrohead> I used the teensy 3 to downgrade and then flash the firmware
06:17:44 <electrohead> haven't really touched it much, though
06:27:16 <Flare> I want to say my firmware was old enough
06:29:28 <electrohead> https://i.imgur.com/qIWnMy6.jpeg
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07:28:39 * jaymax tosses some loaves into the chat
07:32:33 <jaymax> https://files.maxuel.compy.ca:5281/upload/yz0ph4v7j5WMuQbh/uvVQoWJMTKiERsSawiHlsA.jpg
07:33:13 <steve30> mmm
07:33:34 * jaymax butters up the steve30
07:34:58 * steve30 purrs at the oven
07:35:54 * jaymax sets up a little bed with n front of the oven door.
07:52:49 <rust8> https://youtu.be/MggLiO1zIGM
07:52:50 <EEVBot> [YouTube] Making Instant Pickles With a Vacuum Chamber | 1m | Channel: Action Lab Shorts | 11,242,319 views | 2022-01-19 - 22:05:57UTC
08:02:05 <jaymax> Reasonable.
08:03:49 <rust8> seems like a good idea.
08:10:31 <jaymax> There's simpler methods - not requiring a vacuum chamber - with quick Vietnamese pickling. Slice your stuff thin or have a mandoline to ensure its thinness.
08:11:37 <rust8> sure, but... eeh
08:11:37 <jaymax> I'm tempted to have a card or small booklet handy for such occasions.
08:12:47 <jaymax> I usually don't go pickling things unless I have produce that I know won't get eaten in time - or just radishes/turnips in general.
08:17:23 <jaymax> https://files.maxuel.compy.ca:5281/upload/25iBk2zoFc98K3-b/twnk4N3ETHeIvzxJ9xCL0g.jpg
08:17:37 <jaymax> Compost keeps doing its thing
08:24:48 <jaymax> > seems like a good idea.
08:24:49 <jaymax> Unfortunately I ate all my bread and butter pickles. Fortunately I have a lot of carrot relish still and it takes very similar.
08:26:08 <jaymax> Good stand-in for chow chow, too.
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10:22:22 <T3sl41> https://imgur.com/gallery/3mz4h4Z
10:22:23 <EEVBot> [url] Jed being cute - Album on Imgur | imgur.com
10:29:28 <electrohead> jaymax, T3sl41 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gx3nn6LS6g
10:29:28 <EEVBot> [YouTube] Sunday Afternoon | 3m 15s | Channel: JonLajoie | 7,031,198 views | 2008-03-11 - 09:21:14UTC
10:30:57 <T3sl41> correct
10:34:22 <electrohead> https://imgur.com/gallery/tCoO9fG
10:34:22 <EEVBot> [url] Every non-word in Smooth Criminal - Album on Imgur | imgur.com
10:34:26 <electrohead> fucking lol
10:37:06 <gremlinz> haha
10:38:30 <Flare> are pot angles measured from the CCW stop?
10:41:29 <Flare> I thought I had found one with the switch on the CW side but I think I just misread the data sheet now
10:41:29 <Flare> https://www.bourns.com/data/global/PDFs/39.pdf
10:41:48 <Flare> I'm not sure it even specifies which side it's on
10:42:38 <Flare> ones that do all seem to specify 50° which I assume is on the CCW side
10:49:57 <steve30> Time to edit a teardown video. Haven't done one for a while.
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11:05:56 <josuah> Flare: is there any CCW vs CW for pots?
11:06:07 <josuah> Flare: does it not depend on how you plug the wires?
11:07:02 <josuah> also, nice pot you got there
11:09:00 <Flare> the side the switch is on matters because it controls where the physical control latches
11:10:15 * Ampera sneezes
11:10:18 <Ampera> I hate all of you <3
11:10:28 <Flare> it was nice, the pcb literally broke in half along the crack while I was inspecting it xD
11:11:28 <Flare> I will probably have to just put a normal 50k pot in there without a latch or uncal led or wait for a spares Iwatsu to come up
11:12:41 <Flare> I should count myself luck it's not the Vertical variable pots, they are the same but also have a push pull built into the back of them for x5 mag!
11:23:06 <Flare> https://i.imgur.com/IFZ1oAs.jpg
11:23:48 <Flare> this is almost certainly only interesting to me, but you can see how the track is asymmetrical
11:24:12 <Flare> both sides have metal contacts from where the legs used to be to the track
11:24:43 <Flare> but on the side with the switch the metal contact fills the entire latched area so it is all zero resistance
11:39:03 <electrohead> Halcyon irl - https://imgur.com/ezdTWYr
11:39:03 <EEVBot> [url] Imgur: The magic of the Internet | imgur.com
12:09:51 <Ampera> nah
12:09:55 <Ampera> he's far more irritating than that
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14:05:22 <steve30> I wouldn't normally link to the Daily Mail, but they do manage to get some good pictures
14:05:25 <steve30> https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/03/11/04/68576405-11846879-image-a-58_1678510187517.jpg
14:05:40 <steve30> "Two masked protesters stayed Covid-safe as they draped themselves in the non-binary pride flag"
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16:36:00 * Halcyon hugs electrohead
16:47:04 <steve30> hi Halcyon
16:47:28 <steve30> I'm just rendering a video about Trinitrons
16:48:21 <Halcyon> Ooooh nice
16:48:24 <Halcyon> I want to see
16:49:17 <steve30> just a 20 minute teardown
16:49:57 <steve30> You'll have to wait for my Pentium M to render it first :)
16:51:30 <Halcyon> Hahah
16:55:34 * steve30 curls up on Halcyon's lap
16:55:38 <Halcyon> \o/
16:55:38 <EEVBot> I
16:55:38 <EEVBot> [ [
17:05:27 <Halcyon> Is it done yet? :P
17:09:46 <steve30> yup
17:09:53 <steve30> Now its transferring over ethernet to the modern PC
17:09:59 <Halcyon> YAY
17:12:08 <steve30> Then you'll have to wait for some deinterlacing which is sloooow
17:12:33 <steve30> actually, the Pentium M managed to render the DV file quite quick :)
17:28:16 * Halcyon waits at Steve's door
17:31:31 <steve30> I got my new SIP2SIM sim card the other day :)
17:32:10 <Halcyon> Yay
17:38:53 <steve30> video is deinterlacing
18:00:25 <K> hello dhcp leases
18:22:22 <steve30> hello 192.168.1.K
18:43:53 <steve30> i really ought to go to the shops today
18:49:52 <K> why don't you?
18:51:02 <steve30> its raining
19:00:41 <K> ah.
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20:15:05 <steve30> Halcyon, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDGQ_LKGMDk
20:15:05 <EEVBot> [YouTube] Teardown: Sony CPD-E530 21" Trinitron CRT Monitor | 22m 52s | Channel: steve30 | 1 views | 2023-03-20 - 08:49:28UTC
20:15:30 <Halcyon> I'll watch this with DogWomble after we finish watching this episode of Hoarders
20:16:40 <steve30> enjoy
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20:34:53 <T3sl4> hm, much more compact than mine, with power and deflection all on the same board i guess
20:53:58 * K compacts the coil
20:59:44 * T3sl4 indoocts
21:00:56 * steve30 fires the electron gun at T3sl4
21:01:34 * Ampera hugs Halcyon, kisses T3sl4, spuds K, and pets steve30
21:02:01 * T3sl4 pelts Ampera with secondary emission
21:02:15 <steve30> T3sl4, I think this might be a bit newer than the one you had. This was made in 2002.
21:02:24 * Ampera burns T3sl4 in
21:02:27 <T3sl4> seems likely
21:02:53 <Ampera> I was made in 2002
21:02:53 <T3sl4> i don't recognize the boards, maybe sections of them if i saw it up close, but it might also be using a different chipset
21:03:10 <T3sl4> you were maid in 2023
21:03:20 * T3sl4 pushes an outfit onto Ampera
21:03:49 * Ampera cleans up the place by throwing T3sl4 into the trash
21:03:58 * Ampera puts the outfit on Halcyon instead
21:04:04 * T3sl4 raccoons around
21:05:47 <K> i just bought 10 xmega mcus on ebay
21:05:55 <K> lets see i will get scammed
21:05:59 <T3sl4> which one?
21:06:06 <K> xmega256a3u
21:06:10 <T3sl4> fancy
21:06:27 <K> nah, 64 would be be enough, but there are none to be found anywhere
21:06:43 <T3sl4> i have a few 64d3 laying around, but i use those for projects
21:06:59 <K> otoh 65 eur (inc ship) is not bad price
21:07:14 <K> i need usb version
21:07:16 <T3sl4> have a few of those too actually, from another client project, they wanted them
21:07:41 <T3sl4> can't imagine what i'd want so much flash for, and USB and DMA and.., without just going for an ARM something :P
21:07:47 <K> yeah
21:07:49 * steve30 purrs at Ampera
21:08:01 <K> or external
21:08:20 <T3sl4> 65E/10 seems legit enough, but that makes the scam that much worse if they are
21:08:34 <K> well see
21:09:16 <K> the account did not look scammy, had 100 buyer reviews, and few seller ones
21:09:43 <T3sl4> small acct, but good ratio
21:10:27 <K> i am slowly collecting pieces for my r2r dac
21:10:57 <T3sl4> it has onboard DAC you know?
21:11:03 <K> yeah
21:11:19 <K> i might use that for volume control on channel boards
21:11:57 <T3sl4> ah
21:20:30 <K> i know it is hare-brained idea
21:20:58 <T3sl4> as long as it's tortoise-bodied, it'll work?
21:21:30 <T3sl4> also have you considered AVR-Dx? last i checked they were cheaper and more available than xm, but that comes and goes quickly these days
21:21:37 <K> so far it is plenty tortise like, not to say - glacial
21:21:56 <T3sl4> indeed
21:22:01 <K> hm but do Dx have usb module?
21:22:09 <T3sl4> i forget
21:22:31 <K> does not look like it
21:24:33 <K> i also did some estimations and 32MHz clock will give more headroom
21:24:39 <K> or so i think
21:24:55 <T3sl4> hm, maybe they're going to make a -DU version, but most of them don't, then
21:25:05 <K> in any case fallback mcu is some arm thingy
21:25:18 <T3sl4> apparently you can "overclock" the dx to 32MHz just by using the "reserved" setting on the PLL :P
21:25:48 <K> but for some reason i like those those 8 bit thingies more
21:26:05 <T3sl4> yeah, i grew up on AVR
22:08:00 * jaymax did too ... 1450 on the AM dial.
22:09:30 <jaymax> Now 97.7FM. https://avrnetwork.com/on-air/
22:09:30 <EEVBot> [url] On-Air - AVR | avrnetwork.com
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22:20:31 <K> get your heat pump cleaned!
22:20:56 <K> imma leave this on heh
22:21:42 <T3sl4> ew, AM radio
22:22:27 <jaymax> Pee_yew, a T3sl4
22:22:43 * T3sl4 modulates jaymax's frequency
22:23:13 * jaymax shatters
22:23:36 <jaymax> <3
22:23:39 * K QIs jaymax
22:24:25 * jaymax shakes hands with national treasure Stephen Fry.
22:26:03 <K> songs seem a bit cheesy eh
22:26:37 <jaymax> Yeah, that's cunt-tree foy ya
22:29:44 <K> si there any good country ?
22:30:34 <T3sl4> pop country? ofc not
22:30:41 <T3sl4> classic? hell yeah brother
22:30:48 <K> suggestions?
22:30:53 <jaymax> Haggard, Cash, and Jobnes was a good time.
22:30:57 <K> cash i know
22:31:05 <K> haggard ok
22:31:09 <jaymax> Merle Haggard and George Jines.
22:31:21 <jaymax> Fuck. George Jones
22:32:03 <K> and now there are news about some cops being shot
22:32:09 <K> dear lord.
22:32:26 <T3sl4> or uh, dolly parton?
22:33:02 <K> dictor lady should get better mics and soundproof the studio
22:33:15 <jaymax> Marty Robbins. Charlie Pride if desiring some newer.
22:34:45 * K takes notes
22:34:59 * jaymax plays K's notes
22:35:23 <K> (pot shatters, police sirens in the distance)
22:35:38 <jaymax> Kennny Rogers applies some here, too.
22:36:03 <jaymax> Also John Denver.
22:37:24 <K> i stumbled upon this some years ago - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revival_(Gillian_Welch_album)
22:37:24 <EEVBot> [wikipedia] Revival (Gillian Welch album) | "Revival is the first album by American singer-songwriter Gillian Welch, released on April 9, 1996. Revival was nominated for the 1997 Grammy Award for Best Contemporary Folk Album.The plant described in the song, "Acony Bell" appears to be Shortia galacifolia, also known as the Oconee bells. Welch later began her own record label under the name Acony. To celebrate the album's 20th anniversary, Welch […]"
22:37:52 <K> but that is not quite cuntry as i understand it
22:37:59 <K> more folksy
22:39:11 <jaymax> One to add for folksy, then: Cowboy Junkies
22:40:42 <jaymax> Ugh, Kia krap.
22:42:41 <Ampera> It's kinda funny to me to see how many people shit on Kias.
22:42:54 <Ampera> They're the cars that got me and my family around for over two decades.
22:43:09 <Ampera> and very reliably too
22:43:46 <K> where does Kia enter the country ?
22:44:03 <Ampera> huh?
22:44:31 <jaymax> They handle fine, at least when new. I rented one last summer - only a few months old and the driverside roof channel was loose.
22:44:56 <Ampera> They're cheap cars. Even their newer ones, for however much nicer they look, are still hilariously cheap
22:45:10 <Ampera> but they're reliable, and you see them everywhere
22:45:25 <Ampera> Outside basic car shit like dead battery, they've never let us down.
22:46:38 <jaymax> Most see them everywhere because they (along with Hyundai) were the least affected by the chip shortage last couple years.
22:46:52 <Ampera> No, they were everywhere before covid.
22:46:57 <jaymax> Not here.
22:46:59 <Ampera> There's probably a half dozen or more on my street.
22:48:06 <T3sl4> think i'd heard they were unreliable, maybe emphasis on "were"?
22:48:29 <Ampera> Reliability is almost always anecdotal until someone ruins everyone's fun and does statistics.
22:49:11 <T3sl4> haven't heard any particular maladies of recent makes, really, aside from the usual chicanery like GM ignition switches lol
22:49:19 <T3sl4> Ampera: pretty much.
22:49:36 <Ampera> If anything, it's the average person, and thus Kia owner, doesn't know what the hell an oil change is.
22:50:04 <jaymax> Yes. Average road life is 13-14 years, higher than any historical average.
22:50:24 <Ampera> To my knowledge, my dad's first gen Rio is still enjoying its retirement somewhere in western NY as a camp car
22:50:37 <jaymax> *road life of all passenger vehicles
22:51:07 <Ampera> My Impreza is actually a lot like that Rio. Except in build quality
22:51:09 <Ampera> and performance
22:51:11 <Ampera> and size
22:51:16 <Ampera> and features
22:51:23 <Ampera> but whenever I look at it, I think of that Rio
22:52:25 <K> but
22:52:33 <K> will there be any box-cars in the heaven?
22:52:54 <K> this is good.
22:53:00 <K> a thank.
22:58:33 <jaymax> A single year of sales but Ford, Toyota, Honda, Hyundai: https://driving.ca/column/driving-by-numbers/driving-by-numbers-canadas-10-best-selling-auto-brands-in-2021
22:58:34 <EEVBot> [url] Driving By Numbers: Canada's 10 best-selling auto brands in 2021 | Driving | driving.ca
23:06:51 <jaymax> But also anecdotally, angst over Kia largely stems from being proximal to Hyundai. Those who acknowledge a bad Hyundai experience will similarly steer away from that "other" Korean brand.
23:09:10 <jaymax> Samsung being in the home appliance game certainly isn't improving that proximal judgement, either.
23:13:02 <jaymax> LG has a better mixed bag for home appliances, but it's still regarded at best a dogs breakfast - and at worst "all Korean gargbage". There warrants discussion of American/"American" brands - the GM and Dodge tragedies, the RCA and Maytag fictions, etc - but sentiment has been soured in various ways.
23:20:03 <Ampera> 90% of everything is garbage
23:20:15 <Ampera> I doubt the metric shifts that much between major industrial producers.
23:20:34 <Ampera> A lot of what shopping for things entails is determining what money is worth for a product.
23:20:59 <Ampera> There is almost no point in buying an expensive dishwasher, for example. They all do the same basic shit, and the expensive ones work the exact same as the cheap ones, but are now more expensive to repair or replace.
23:21:58 <T3sl4> well, above some minimum. you can always pay less for poorer materials quality, noisier operation etc
23:22:08 <Ampera> Same thing with microwaves. They all come out of the same two factories, Galanz and Midea
23:22:28 <T3sl4> if it doesn't fall apart in 10 years, and it has reasonable pump pressure, is all you need in a dishwasher
23:22:34 <Ampera> ^
23:22:41 <Ampera> we got ours from a scratch and dent place
23:23:10 <T3sl4> my brother has an ancient refrigerator, the kind with the xmas tree looking radiator thing on top
23:23:19 <Ampera> It's the same thing with a fridge.
23:23:33 <Ampera> I bought a cheap 400$ refrigerator branded magic chef, and it's awesome
23:23:43 <Ampera> the freezer is huge for its size, and it keeps shit cold.
23:24:21 <Ampera> That and a cheap bench freezer are all I think anyone really needs.
23:24:57 <Ampera> The thing is that most large appliances have long since been boiled down into a manufacturing science. There are massive companies that know exactly how to build them, and how to build them cheap.
23:25:04 <T3sl4> i forget if he's measured its consumption, but it's not grossly different from anything else. you can't improve the carnot cycle
23:25:15 <Ampera> While materials and function play some role, scale is the ultimate factor in function for price.
23:25:29 <Ampera> Does it still run on R12?
23:25:29 <Ampera> :)
23:25:36 <T3sl4> dunno, lol
23:25:54 <T3sl4> maybe ammonia even?
23:26:00 <T3sl4> i forget what those used
23:26:28 <T3sl4> also, value to be had from using just a chest freezer, and standalone fridge
23:26:36 <Ampera> I think my car uses HFO-1234yf
23:26:49 <T3sl4> since the usual kind bleeds freezer air into the fridge, wasting heat quality
23:27:08 <Ampera> Interesting idea
23:28:17 <T3sl4> i think there are dual zone fridges tho? freezer at the bottom, separate compressor, or well i guess they could be diplexed with valves?, each can be cooled individually
23:28:31 <Ampera> somehow the teams PWA crashed its tab
23:28:37 <T3sl4> maybe it doesn't matter much because the temperature difference isn't that big, shrug
23:28:41 <Ampera> oh god please tell me teams is down
23:28:48 <T3sl4> teams is down
23:29:17 <Ampera> thank you god <3
23:29:43 * T3sl4 nods smitingly
23:30:26 <Ampera> https://cloud.systemtheta.net/s/4xxXZTGw3ketNxz/preview
23:30:30 <Ampera> I think I have too many windows open
23:32:01 <Ampera> 40GB memory resident :)
23:33:24 <T3sl4> you should close one of your three chrome tabs
23:33:44 <Ampera> what chrome tabs
23:34:09 <T3sl4> exactly
23:37:37 <gremlinz> 7
23:38:26 <Ampera> teams is such awful software
23:38:33 <Ampera> in case anyone forgot in the last 5 minutes
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