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02:03:09 <arch> electrohead, what's that? ps3 unbricking in progress?
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03:16:47 * jaymax teases electrohead for his teensy
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06:05:34 <Kuschelpony> whinny
06:06:17 <rust7> hey 'pony
06:06:32 <Kuschelpony> hello rust
06:06:40 <rust7> hmm, what light was it you was doing the battery thing to?
06:07:24 <Kuschelpony> also hello to MrMobodies if he is currently here
06:24:23 <Kuschelpony> i might have some commets for your forum questions
06:32:16 * electrohead teensies jaymax
06:32:32 <electrohead> arch: yeah I used the teensy to downgrade/mod the firmware
06:37:58 * Ampera sneezes
06:38:13 <Ampera> you should downgrade to an ipod and mod its firmware
06:40:58 <electrohead> Lol
06:41:01 <electrohead> hey dude <3
06:45:18 <T3sl4> https://imgur.com/gallery/sQuLEPX
06:45:18 <EEVBot> [url] Yin and Yang. - Album on Imgur | imgur.com
06:46:42 <rust7> **buuuuurp**
06:46:58 * T3sl4 gives rust7 a toothpick to deal with the fur
06:47:14 * rust7 eats grass
06:48:18 * electrohead films
06:49:05 * T3sl4 pelts electrohead with whole pineapples
06:52:30 <electrohead> arch irl - https://imgur.com/gallery/msZPbfA
06:52:31 <EEVBot> [url] Ever wondered what dinosaurs actually sounded like? - Album on Imgur | imgur.com
06:52:32 <electrohead> lol
07:08:48 <electrohead> https://imgur.com/gallery/X9iRikY
07:08:48 <EEVBot> [url] Let it snow - Album on Imgur | imgur.com
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07:55:47 <T3sl4> le tits now?
07:57:05 <T3sl4> steve30 possibly: https://imgur.com/gallery/NcdZ2Jq
07:57:05 <EEVBot> [url] Future Olympic Champion - Album on Imgur | imgur.com
08:07:11 <electrohead> T3sl4: for 500, please
08:07:19 <electrohead> also - https://imgur.com/a/EJ2tz3Z - lol
08:07:20 <EEVBot> [url] Homemade Sugar-Free Chocolate Gelato - Album on Imgur | imgur.com
08:07:25 <electrohead> Uhh
08:07:30 <electrohead> my clipboard is wonky
08:08:11 <electrohead> https://imgur.com/gallery/O02uzl7
08:08:12 <EEVBot> [url] Skipped the laugh and went straight into a giggle - Album on Imgur | imgur.com
08:08:19 <electrohead> I'll blame it on my computer, yes
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10:58:08 <rust7> https://imgur.com/gallery/6fHlwke
10:58:09 <EEVBot> [url] Deer cwd - Album on Imgur | imgur.com
11:16:13 <arch> !fart electrohead
11:16:14 * EEVBot stopped trusting a fart, and messed all over electrohead
11:16:53 <electrohead> Lol
11:18:52 <rust7> https://imgur.com/gallery/zDNMz4S
11:18:53 <EEVBot> [url] Dance magic dance - Album on Imgur | imgur.com
11:22:44 <electrohead> lol
11:34:53 <rust7> hm, this is a good idea https://imgur.com/gallery/ioKiIXe
11:34:54 <EEVBot> [url] Give us the double bluff option - Album on Imgur | imgur.com
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12:09:13 <jaymax> Just melt a bunch of plastic and pour onto legs, as needed, until coated.
12:19:47 * electrohead melts jaymax
12:21:03 <jaymax> <3
12:21:30 * jaymax melts all over electrohead
12:29:53 <steve30> hi
12:34:14 <electrohead> <3
12:34:16 <electrohead> hey steve30 o/
12:34:27 * T3sl4 beers electrohead
12:34:42 * electrohead accepts the beering
12:42:00 <electrohead> So, I just bought an audio/video mod, along with FujiNet 1.5, for my Atari 800
12:42:01 <electrohead> <3
12:42:34 <Ampera> hrm, one of my HGST UltraStars failed
12:42:40 <Ampera> first time I've ever had one of them do that in a live system
12:42:55 <coppice> Ampera: you haven't lived
12:42:59 <Ampera> no shit
12:43:03 <Ampera> lol
12:43:16 <Ampera> I don't have a lot of drives, maybe 16-20 or so
12:43:30 <coppice> every disk makers have been through good and bad phases
12:44:07 <coppice> I wonder how different an HGST drive is from a Western Digital these days,
12:44:22 <Ampera> afaik HGST's brand name is gone in hard drives
12:44:29 <Ampera> I've seen WD UltraStars for sale
12:45:01 <coppice> I find disks really confusing now. The different product lines used to be clear purpose and pricing. Now it all seems mixed up
12:45:34 <coppice> Ampera; I saw new HGST branded drives for sale at Christmas
12:45:43 <Ampera> huh
12:46:00 <Ampera> All of my drives are second hand, so it's not like they're new drives
12:46:30 <Ampera> only 35183 power on hours though
12:46:32 <Ampera> not a lot
12:47:30 * T3sl4 wraps Ampera up in regurgitated backup tape
12:47:57 <Ampera> 68154hrs One of my 2TB UltraStar's
12:48:02 <Ampera> *On one
12:53:28 <steve30> I had a Seagate baracuda start to go bad some years ago
12:53:54 <steve30> That's the only failure I've had which I'd consider "premature", but even that was a few years old
12:54:42 <T3sl4> chicken thighs will be out of the oven soon ^-^
12:54:57 <steve30> :p
12:55:04 * steve30 meows at T3sl4's oven
12:55:30 * T3sl4 puts a cardboard box beside the oven for sits
13:07:02 <coppice> Ampera: I think the life of most disks has more to do with the number of power cycles than the actual hours run
13:07:35 <Ampera> SMART says 20
13:07:50 <coppice> Ampera: one important thing with server drives running 24x7 is if they do power down, power them up again for a short burst after a few minutes
13:08:26 <Ampera> The only times my drives ever spin down for more than a few minutes is during prolonged power outages
13:08:39 <Ampera> of which one only ever happened during my owning these specific drives
13:10:39 <coppice> There is a problem where contaminants build up on the head assembly and all it well while they are running. If something causes them to power down for long enough to cool fully, that contamination can glue the head to the landing area. If the disk can be powered up again before it has fully cooled the crap usually seems to not get to the point of damage
13:11:23 <Ampera> This one seems to have failed while running
13:11:27 <Ampera> there hasn't been a power cycle in a while
13:12:01 <Ampera> I'm taking a backup of the pool, and then will take it out and put it back in, and see if I can get it to behave again
13:12:13 <coppice> has it failed mechanically or electronically?
13:12:28 <Ampera> ZFS reports too many read failures
13:12:41 <Ampera> so it could be anything from a marginal connection to the drive exploding
13:12:45 <coppice> probably mechanical then
13:13:00 <Ampera> I'll give it a listen when I head over to replug it
13:13:13 <Ampera> probably in the morning as I have about 5TB of data to backup.
13:13:37 <coppice> we replaced a drive in our son's computer last month. It was still working fine, but started making some very funky intermittent noises :-\
13:14:13 <Ampera> What's really annoying is the place I buy all my drives from (because they are cheap) does not have a 6TB UltraStar in stock
13:14:32 <Ampera> so I've ordered an 8TB HGST Helium drive. I'm not confident about that brand, but worst case is it explodes too
13:14:38 <Ampera> er, that model anyways
13:15:02 <coppice> Most new high end drives seem to be helium filled
13:15:18 <Ampera> These are datacenter pulls. 8TB drives for 90 bucks :D
13:16:35 <coppice> I wonder why the data centre interface went up to 12Gbps, but SATA stayed at 6
13:16:51 <Ampera> probably because most consumers have moved to NVMe
13:17:51 <coppice> don't most consumers wanting big storage use hard disks for most of it?
13:18:44 <Ampera> Depends. Most consumers don't know what storage is. Most consumers who know what storage is don't need much of it. Most consumers that need much of it are either willing to pay for NVMe, a cloud provider, or just buy a cheap NAS
13:19:19 <Ampera> In the realm of consumer drives, performance and capacity are not typically simultaneous concerns.
13:19:28 <coppice> There isn't a huge difference between SATA and SAS. If they cranked on up to 12, there seems no reason not to crank the other one up
13:19:29 <Ampera> Also, you can buy 1TB NVMe SSDs for around 50 bucks these days, somehow
13:20:49 <coppice> yes, you can get some very cheap 1T NVMes, but it you want 4 or more they get really expensive
13:21:25 <Ampera> My thinkpad's rocking 3x2TB NVMe SSDs
13:21:46 <Ampera> Samsung ones which apparently have a critical firmware flaw that could result in them bricking themselves randomly
13:21:57 <Ampera> with a firmware patch that you cannot install under linux
13:21:58 <Ampera> :/
13:23:01 <coppice> Most motherboards have very limited provision for NVMe. they are pretty small. It seems like they should have more slots, especially now things like AM5 are increasing the number of PCIe lanes
13:24:01 <Ampera> coppice, the trick is 16x cards that can bifrucate into 4 m.2 slots
13:24:16 <Ampera> for which I believe there's fairly universal motherboard support these days
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13:47:22 <jaymax> https://files.maxuel.compy.ca:5281/upload/bJYQq6biytJipz25/BWVExT1zSTys7nUlJEEmNw.jpg
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14:56:39 <Kuschelpony> Moin
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16:54:53 <MrMobodies> Hello
17:01:16 <steve30> o/
17:06:11 <MrMobodies> I found this article
17:06:39 <MrMobodies> https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/consumer-affairs/thames-water-forces-smart-water-meters-households-without-knowledge/
17:06:40 <EEVBot> [url] Thames Water forces smart water meters on households without their knowledge | www.telegraph.co.uk
17:07:06 <MrMobodies> "Whilst we don’t need permission to fit smart meters, they are the fairest option for customers, as people only pay for the water they use."
17:07:19 <MrMobodies> How can they say that when many were paying for it as a service before?
17:07:49 <MrMobodies> Imagine if they applied that principle to broadband like many decades ago
17:08:08 <MrMobodies> apparently that is only for water scarce areas
17:08:35 <MrMobodies> but what i don't understand is, in parts of the country down south where the sea is
17:08:53 <MrMobodies> I use to read reports about people opting for meters back 20 years
17:09:01 <MrMobodies> for their bills to go up by over £1000
17:09:26 <MrMobodies> and I don't remember them being water scarce down there at the time
17:09:41 <MrMobodies> and the company refused to switch them back
17:10:12 <MrMobodies> if there was a family struggling, yes they'd use less water.
17:10:33 <MrMobodies> but how about a millionaire filling the pond everyday because they can afford to do it
17:11:20 <MrMobodies> which goes against their environmental stratedgy
17:11:35 <MrMobodies> I am right to think that the word "fair" is subjective.
17:12:21 <MrMobodies> If the had an option to pay as a service when they can use a set amount on average... but then get fined if they use grosse amounts of water
17:12:27 <MrMobodies> wouldn't that be a bit more fairer?
17:12:53 <MrMobodies> and you have the single person who may benefit from a meter paying by units
17:14:46 <Erhard> Did most people not pay by use before?
17:14:53 <Erhard> Everybody has a meter here in the states.
17:15:28 <Erhard> They usually base your water bill and your sewer bill off the water usage (though not always with the sewer)
17:16:12 <MrMobodies> nope, they paid
17:16:22 <MrMobodies> in UK they paid something called the rateable value
17:16:34 <MrMobodies> linked to their property size
17:16:38 <Erhard> How is that calculated?
17:16:40 <MrMobodies> then there is an "accessed charge"
17:16:41 <Erhard> I see.
17:16:52 <MrMobodies> so if there are 3 people in a house
17:17:00 <MrMobodies> they'd bill you for an average of 3
17:17:00 <Erhard> I dunno. I like the pay by use because I don't waste resources.
17:17:28 <MrMobodies> people who pay as a service I think they should fine them if they grossly use more tha what is justified
17:17:34 <MrMobodies> like filling up large swimming pools
17:17:49 <Erhard> But what is wrong with just paying by the liter?
17:18:01 <Erhard> Isn't that the most fair? The mor eyou use, the more you pay
17:18:05 <MrMobodies> there was something in 2004, where if you have a swimming pool past a certain size, they'd force you into fitting a meter in it, which is fair in a way.
17:18:19 <Erhard> If you have a mansion but conserve water you pay less than the guy with the tiny house that waters his lawn daily.
17:18:21 <MrMobodies> well it can turn out more expensive than if everyone paid as a service
17:18:32 <MrMobodies> but then it can e abused very easily
17:18:36 <Erhard> If you use a lot of water
17:18:47 <Erhard> The fixed rate gets abused.
17:18:54 <Erhard> The pay by the liter is just that.
17:19:01 <Erhard> If you use it, you pay for it.
17:19:06 <MrMobodies> they can use the meters to track them on packages in non water scarce areas and offer deals I suppose
17:19:32 <MrMobodies> years ago they didn't really have much means apart from read them manually
17:19:48 <Erhard> I'm not in favor of spring stuff on people, but for new customers it seems reasonable.
17:20:15 <MrMobodies> i'd tell you what I 'd like
17:20:18 <MrMobodies> is a flow meter
17:20:21 <Erhard> People who don't pay for a resource directly typically waste it
17:20:28 <MrMobodies> so if there is a leak, I can track it
17:20:36 <Erhard> Oh, we have those.
17:20:48 <Erhard> Like there is a meter in my basement. I can read it myself if I want
17:21:02 <MrMobodies> and i can adjust it to track even the slow leaks
17:21:08 <MrMobodies> well in Britain
17:21:08 <Erhard> It doesn't tell me WHERE the leak is of course.
17:21:16 <MrMobodies> they have them outside on the pavements
17:21:28 <Erhard> Yeah, my other house has that.. Well, burried in the yard
17:21:38 <Erhard> YOu have to pull a cap off it to see it.
17:21:44 <MrMobodies> so it doesnt exactly put the owner in control, maybe now it might if they communicate real time
17:21:45 <Erhard> Which you are allowed to do.
17:22:03 <Erhard> I don't like the big data aspect of smart anything
17:22:18 <Erhard> But if they are required by law to use it ONLY for billing I am fine with that
17:22:46 <Erhard> Of course they won't. They will track it, and market stuff to you. Or send you nasty grams for destroying the planet, etc.
17:22:55 <MrMobodies> I was about to opt to a smart energy meter until I found out some stuff
17:23:02 <MrMobodies> for feed in tarrif from solar panel
17:23:15 <MrMobodies> My data will be shared with companies... no
17:23:16 <Erhard> They use those to track you.
17:23:19 <Erhard> Yep.
17:23:22 <MrMobodies> the meter maybe inaccruate.. no
17:23:24 <Erhard> Kinda BS eh?
17:23:34 <MrMobodies> terms and conditions octopus
17:23:38 <Erhard> The meter is pretty likely accurate. I wouldn't be too worried about that
17:23:45 <Erhard> But the spying on you, and selling your data
17:23:47 <MrMobodies> the meters themselves and matained by a company called Capita DCC network
17:23:56 <Erhard> They can tell when you wake up, when you are home or not, etc.
17:23:58 <MrMobodies> Ofgen, wants 30 minute readings
17:24:05 <MrMobodies> I am not happy about that
17:24:10 <MrMobodies> maybe a total for the day
17:24:17 <Erhard> WHat shows you atch based on when you put the kettle on
17:24:26 <MrMobodies> I want that for my purpose in fact
17:24:28 <Erhard> (Which apparently peope do there when they watch TV, lol)
17:24:35 <MrMobodies> my solar panel has a clamp meter for that
17:24:49 <Erhard> Like commercials during East Enders causes energy spikes.
17:25:10 <MrMobodies> https://i.imgur.com/mXVFb2E.png
17:25:46 <MrMobodies> https://i.imgur.com/mXVFb2E.png
17:25:49 <MrMobodies> oops
17:25:50 <Erhard> Nice
17:26:03 <MrMobodies> https://i.imgur.com/MJ2oF06.png
17:26:16 <MrMobodies> so I'll know how much per day
17:26:30 <MrMobodies> I don't mind sharing wth my energy provider
17:26:40 <MrMobodies> but not Ofgem and third party companies
17:26:48 <Erhard> For internal use to adjust power availability, sure
17:26:50 <Erhard> Right
17:27:01 <MrMobodies> oh yes, a whole house battery system
17:27:13 <MrMobodies> that might make it difficult for them to track the useage
17:27:20 <Erhard> The ONLY way that crap is going to stop is legislation... and I am a small governemtn guy who hates regulation.
17:27:31 <MrMobodies> I know I am being spied on left right and center elsewere
17:27:38 <Erhard> No doubt.
17:28:02 <MrMobodies> also they don't tell me which meter they are going to install that is down to DCC capita
17:28:12 <MrMobodies> and I read some over measuring on certain loads
17:28:26 <MrMobodies> so with the lack of transparency
17:28:34 <MrMobodies> I am a little skeptical
17:29:05 <MrMobodies> might as well enjoy this existing standalone meter Landis and Gyr E110 until they become compulsory
17:29:12 <Erhard> I didlike them because some create RFI for Amatuer Radio
17:29:16 <MrMobodies> or things have changed there is more transparency
17:29:21 <MrMobodies> aaah yes
17:29:22 <Erhard> dislike
17:29:32 <MrMobodies> some of them like the Landis A Gyr E471
17:29:36 <MrMobodies> has this COMMS module
17:29:42 <Erhard> Though I never experienced any I could track to the meter at my old house.
17:29:43 <MrMobodies> you can pull them out
17:30:08 <MrMobodies> they have two modules, one for RF (South East England) and the other Cellular
17:30:25 <Erhard> (Which is RF)
17:30:27 <Erhard> ;-)
17:30:29 <MrMobodies> but I can request for it to be disconnect... if I get that type of meter
17:30:40 <Erhard> That is cool
17:31:49 <Erhard> bbl. I gotta step away.
17:31:56 <MrMobodies> https://www.smartdcc.co.uk/our-smart-network/network-products-services/communications-hub/#:~:text=The communications hub and smart meter uses Zigbee to connect,inexpensive, low power and secure.
17:31:57 <EEVBot> [url] What is a communications hub and how does it work? | Smart DCC | www.smartdcc.co.uk
17:32:03 <MrMobodies> They use Zigbee
17:32:11 <MrMobodies> I think for certain parts of the country
17:32:14 <Erhard> wow
17:32:19 <MrMobodies> other parts just cellular
17:32:28 <Erhard> k bbl
17:32:30 <MrMobodies> oh yes time for me to sleep
17:32:40 <MrMobodies> night
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20:17:58 <Kuschelpony> finished winding this transformer, looks like no accident happend, now i am allowed to think about making a coffee
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21:30:11 <MrMobodies> Looking for a 3v 3a power supply
21:30:11 <MrMobodies> I could settle for a 12v to 3v or 5v to 3a
21:30:11 <MrMobodies> but from a reputable company/brand
21:30:11 <MrMobodies> I don't want it to be a fire risk
21:30:11 <K> meanwell ones have been good exp
21:30:11 <K> https://www.meanwell-web.com/en-gb/ac-dc-single-output-enclosed-power-supply-output-3-rs--15--3.3
21:30:11 <EEVBot> [url] Mean Well RS-15-3.3 | www.meanwell-web.com
21:30:11 <K> have not used 3.3V ones, but 5V one has been working just fine at rated load for extended periods of time
21:37:32 <electrohead> o/
21:43:24 <electrohead> https://v.redd.it/074pxyqjzpla1
21:43:26 <EEVBot> [reddit] We started hanging the towel here cus he kept stealing it off the oven door to r/CatsAreAssholes | 17960 points (97.0%) | 234 comments | Posted by pocket-sauce | Created at 2023-03-04 - 07:57:20EST | https://redd.it/11hyjs7
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22:00:04 <steve30> hehe
22:00:47 <K> murderbot!
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23:06:56 <Ampera> good morning murderbots
23:10:10 <electrohead> We .. are .. the murderbots.
23:10:19 <electrohead> *electronic noises*
23:12:24 <electrohead> https://github.com/tenderlove/initial-v
23:12:24 <EEVBot> [GitHub] tenderlove/initial-v - It's a BMW shifter converted to a Bluetooth Keyboard that you use with Vim | 38.7% C++ 27.3% OpenSCAD 15.4% C 18.6% Other | Last Push: 2023-03-01 - 14:41:12EST | Stargazers: 325 | Watchers: 5 | Forks: 3 | Network: 3 | Open Issues: 1
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23:54:15 <Ampera> nothing like crimping a new ethernet cable in the morning
23:54:38 <Ampera> The ethernet cable on my laptop kept coming out because the connector broke, so I just now this morning got annoyed enough to fix that
23:54:44 <Ampera> and also put it on the NIC in my ethernet dock
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