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00:10 <MrMobodies> in 2011, we get it, users do not like toolbars bundled with flash player and java updates
00:14 <Nothing\> i worked tech support for a cable internet company so i've had a TASTE of that world.
00:17 <MrMobodies> relief
00:25 <Nothing\> but it sounds like you got a whole heaping spoonfull
00:25 <MrMobodies> except now they are in the form of those things
00:54 <MrMobodies> "I have an idea, lets make own toolbar by setting the absolute position to fixed on our website header2
00:55 <Nothing\> MrMobodies, well thankfully flash is literally banned from the internet now
00:59 <Nothing\> for better or worst
01:05 <MrMobodies> I mean back then
01:16 <MrMobodies> when they came bundled with toolbars
01:19 <MrMobodies> google and ask jeeves
01:22 <Nothing\> it's unfortunate because there are some oldschool flash animations from back in the day which I will NEVER be able to watch again
01:27 <MrMobodies> and the "free" games too
01:32 <Nothing\> they were never recorded onto youtube or any other sites. Too obscure.
01:40 <MrMobodies> so when they stopped bundling them
01:49 <MrMobodies> they thought they'd do it through the webpage
01:54 <Nothing\> MrMobodies, man, google is actually becoming LESS useful than ask jeeves ever was.
02:02 <Nothing\> so much irrelevant content
02:17 <Nothing\> or you search something and the first SEVERAL pages are all videos
02:18 <MrMobodies> yes I am hoping Duckduckgo will surpass it one day
02:31 <MrMobodies> I have seen that attimes
02:33 <Nothing\> yeah, i tried duckduckgo and was unfortunately disappointed with it.
02:40 <Nothing\> it has potential, but it's just not there
02:56 <Nothing\> MrMobodies, it seems more common on cell phones
03:15 <Nothing\> like, especially when I'm looking for educational content it almost always tries sending me to a video.
03:15 <MrMobodies> well what I like about it
03:21 <MrMobodies> I can adjust things
03:28 <MrMobodies> fixed header on and off
03:35 <MrMobodies> auto suggest off
03:47 <MrMobodies> I have to use adblock with Google as they removed the option in 2015
04:10 <MrMobodies> I can spell thank you very much and the way it drops out over everything else and moves and changes
04:15 <MrMobodies> i find it irritating
04:17 <Nothing\> like last night, I was trying to learn about quantum chromodynamics. Basically how the strong nuclear force works, this weird property of quarks called color charge, which works similar to electric charge but works very different. But every damn search result was a video.
04:39 <Nothing\> and not even a good video. Just one of those 5 minute or so videos that gives the illusion of being educational while not actually teaching you anything.
04:51 <MrMobodies> That would be like ThunderF00ts domain
04:52 <Nothing\> or teaching you very little. Maybe that the topics exist and nothing more.
05:03 <Nothing\> i forgot about him
05:12 <MrMobodies> aaaah
05:16 <MrMobodies> no videos for me
05:16 <Nothing\> i sort of fell out of love with his channel. I found it was too ranty at some times.
05:35 <Nothing\> But he did have some cool videos. Like putting his phone in the neutron accelerator in his work place.
05:50 <MrMobodies> https://i.imgur.com/GGDX6pL.png
06:02 <MrMobodies> see no fixed header, hidden by that extension
06:09 <MrMobodies> but not full of videos
06:13 <MrMobodies> on that search term
06:22 <MrMobodies> "quantum chromodynamics"
06:33 <Nothing\> I just didn't like the ones that were like 40 minutes long of him ripping into some relatively innocent or trivial science thing, like maybe veritasium making a mistake in a video. And he just beats you over the head with the same few points over and over again for the whole video.
06:35 <MrMobodies> oh apart from one
06:52 <MrMobodies> I see not getting to the point
06:53 <Nothing\> it's like 10 minutes would have sufficed, but he repeats himself so much it gets stretched out and yeah it's just not my thing.
07:15 <MrMobodies> a bit like when Thunderf00t beats his opponents with the same thing
07:25 <MrMobodies> Like Elon Musk and his failures
07:28 <Nothing\> MrMobodies, yeah that's exactly the search crap i'm talking about
07:42 <Nothing\> you see how long it is before you even get to something like a wiki article. Nevermind something actually academic.
08:01 <MrMobodies> in fact he now has an obsession for Elon Musk
08:02 <MrMobodies> https://www.youtube.com/c/Thunderf00t/videos
08:02 <EEVBot> [url] Thunderf00t - YouTube | www.youtube.com
08:05 <MrMobodies> and very negative one
08:19 <MrMobodies> and Elon Musk is positive charged
08:22 <Nothing\> even if you specifically search for something academic like append the term +textbook you get the same crap, then maybe some questionable material off of libretexts. Which I'm still undecided if they're credible or not.
08:26 <MrMobodies> Joke: I'd like to see them clash in person
08:32 <Nothing\> libretexts seems very promising if it is credible.
08:54 <MrMobodies> I don't often believe everything i read
09:08 <MrMobodies> I question until I am satisified
09:10 <Nothing\> just a tad difficult to navigate. I can never find the table of contents for a textbook, just one section pertaining to what I search for.
09:14 <MrMobodies> and that may still not be the answr
09:33 <Nothing\> MrMobodies, you have to be balanced when it comes to questioning things like that
09:59 <MrMobodies> well my balance has been a bit off
10:03 <Nothing\> i went overboard at one point into solipsism where I began to believe that the only thing in this world I could ever truly know to exist is my own mind
10:23 <MrMobodies> I see, like nobody exists but you
10:28 <Nothing\> and as a result, the phenomenal world was a physical manifestation of my conscious mind
10:35 <MrMobodies> which might even be possible
10:49 <Nothing\> MrMobodies, sort of, yeah. More like I can't know for certain that other people exist besides myself.
11:52 <MrMobodies> In February 2015 I installing this massive big roof fan in a cupboard at building firm
11:54 <Nothing\> but even then, I discovered the concept of a boltzmann brain. Which, as I understand it, is a hypothetical situation where a bunch of material comes together randomly but in just the right way to create a consciousness without a body. So for all I know I could just be that.
12:00 <MrMobodies> it felt a bit strange
12:05 <MrMobodies> big massive motor and magnetic
12:10 <MrMobodies> and routers clipped to the wall
12:15 <Nothing\> or I could be a buncha neurons in a petri dish having sensory information input into it
12:19 <MrMobodies> I got back at about 2am in the morning
12:29 <MrMobodies> I turned on the tv
12:32 <Nothing\> but you could drive yourself crazy speculating about the possibilities
12:39 <MrMobodies> and saw this thing, A space Odysessey
12:47 <MrMobodies> when I saw what happened int he end
12:49 <MrMobodies> with the lights
12:55 <MrMobodies> and the shape of the thing
13:01 <MrMobodies> it reminded me of the cupboard
13:07 <MrMobodies> and made me feel very sick
13:12 <Nothing\> that's weird
13:13 <MrMobodies> then I start question the meaning of life
13:18 <MrMobodies> with no success
13:33 <MrMobodies> start to think until it made me sick
13:34 <Nothing\> i've heard of oscillating magnetic fields in the brain causing experiences like that
13:36 <MrMobodies> after seeing that
13:44 <Nothing\> but usually they stop once the magnetic field is no longer being applied
13:55 <Nothing\> and usually it's more a feeling of a presence of sorts
13:58 <MrMobodies> the big massive motor and magnetic, white router clipped to the wall
14:05 <MrMobodies> and the imagery out of that film
14:14 <MrMobodies> it didn't go down well with me
14:30 <MrMobodies> it had like a resembelence
14:41 <Nothing\> the technical term of that sensation is derealization, if you felt what I think you did
14:54 <Nothing\> it's like watching your life as a movie rather than experiencing it first hand
14:58 <Nothing\> is the best i can describe it
15:09 <Nothing\> i could be mistaken though
15:17 <MrMobodies> not my life
15:27 <MrMobodies> just a series of things
15:34 <Nothing\> words can't describe it, huh?
15:48 <MrMobodies> the cupboard with this man and the laout, the shape of the capsule going after the black mullet
15:55 <MrMobodies> and the lights
16:08 <MrMobodies> ooh plumbers here got to go be back soon
16:49 <Nothing\> yeah I've gotta go get ready to go to the clinic
16:57 <Nothing\> it was fun talking though. I really enjoyed it.
17:06 <Nothing\> we should carry this on later.
27:12 <Nothing\> wow
27:14 <Nothing\> https://www.hackster.io/news/this-25ghz-oscillator-may-be-the-fastest-thing-to-ever-land-on-a-breadboard-04147b2e2fc4
27:14 <EEVBot> [url] This 25GHz Oscillator May Be the Fastest Thing to Ever Land on a Breadboard - Hackster.io | www.hackster.io
27:20 <Nothing\> 25ghz, no solder, no ICs
33:25 <Nothing\> argh doctors are stupid
34:10 <Nothing\> i asked my doctor SPECIFICALLY for a refill on a med i knew I was going to run out of before I saw him next time and he tried telling me he just wrote me 6 months worth. I protested but he's a doctor, which apparently makes him infallable.
34:22 <Nothing\> fastforward to a month later and sure enough i have no refills
34:27 * Nothing\ facepalms
34:52 <Nothing\> same guy who gave me a diagnosis and didn't tell me about it until 2 years after the fact when I had to ask him about it because a 3rd party told me about it.
35:48 <Nothing\> if he wasn't the sole provider of a highly addictive medication i have no choice but to take, I would take legal action. But I fear any such action would lead to said prescription being cut off. I've seen it happen.
36:38 <Nothing\> my brother's doc cut him off of a similar prescription because my brother thought for himself one too many times, ie asked questions
37:14 <Nothing\> one of those old quacks who thinks we still play by 1960 rules. If that's the case, then give me my damn seconal.
37:33 <Nothing\> </random rant> =P
37:55 <K> eew 2 suggars in the coffee is too much
38:00 * K scowls
38:08 <K> hello Nothing\
38:17 <Nothing\> rofl K you would NOT like my coffee at all
38:22 <Nothing\> also heya bud, how ya doing?
38:41 <K> fine fine
38:50 <Nothing\> but yeah, my coffee I use 3-4 spoonfulls of sugar, usually 3 lately. And I add about 50% cream
38:53 <K> apart from the fucking snow outside! again!
38:56 <Nothing\> ah that's good
39:04 <Nothing\> yeah, I heard north america's in for another storm
39:09 <Nothing\> we've got freezing rain warnings here.
39:19 <Nothing\> Where abouts are you again? Is snow not common there?
39:22 <K> i am north east eu though
39:27 <Nothing\> oh haha
39:37 <K> well, sorta north
39:46 <Nothing\> quite a ways away then. I guess it's hitting all of the northern hemisphere lol
40:04 <K> it was some 5 cm outside and +5
40:11 <Nothing\> actually looking at an isobar map, it looks like the jet stream (polar vortex) is dipping south again. I think that's at least part of it.
40:24 <K> i hope it fucking melts during the night
41:05 <Nothing\> K, that's how snow is here since global warming for most of the winter. We might get a few cm here and there, but it never stays more than a week or so.
42:15 <Nothing\> it's funny because when I was a kid, by december we'd have snow mounds big enough for my brother and I to carve tunnel forts into and several feet of snow on the ground by christmas. First snowfall around late october. Now we get our first snow fall in december and rarely have anything on the ground for christmas.
42:30 <Nothing\> Even right now there's nothing on the ground at all. And I'm in Canada!
43:02 <K> yeah it has quite a lot of years since we had snow for 3-4 months uninterrupted
43:26 <K> that is prolly not gona come back anytime soon
43:27 <Nothing\> i know, and that used to be the norm here.
43:37 <Nothing\> I remember having to wear my winter jacket until may one year.
43:48 <Nothing\> though in fairness, I don't tolerate cold at all.
44:10 <Nothing\> like, I have to wear layers if it's below 0c lol
45:04 <Nothing\> it was a lot worse when i had to take public transit everywhere. Especially up north. Waiting for a 25 minute late bus in -35 windchill with a blizzard raging around me only to get bitched at for getting to work late.
45:29 <Nothing\> their response was just that I should have left earlier. Yeah because I'm psychic and know that the buses are running almost a full run behind.
46:34 <Nothing\> lol it's like that one MP in montreal who tried to say the pittance we get for social services is enough because you can rent a 1 bedroom apt for $500 in motreal. Which was the case maybe 25 years ago. But nowadays it's more like $1500
47:33 <Nothing\> I remember looking for a place in a similar sized city here in ontario and I was looking at $1,000 just for the absolute crappiest single room bachelor "apartment" which was about 3 by 4 meters.
48:03 <K> that is not an apartment, that is a pen
48:08 <Nothing\> meanwhile $1,000 is about what you get for disability, nevermind if you're on welfare.
49:17 <Nothing\> K, yup but housing prices have gone through the roof here. It's sad and scary because I've almost wound up homeless because of it. And I've watched the tent cities, homeless encampments, popping up more and more over the years.
50:10 <Nothing\> Average price of a house in toronto is over $1 million. Here in a complete craphole of a city with barely 100k people it's still $800k for a house.
50:13 Join: Kuschelpony ([email protected]) to #EEVblog
50:46 <Nothing\> It's to the point where only the upper class can afford to buy a house. The middle class rents or buys condos, and us lower class folk live month to month trying not to end up homeless.
51:33 <Nothing\> meanwhile when I was a kid, I remember taking a trip to toronto and gawking at a homeless guy and giving him money etc because it was such a novelty for me to see a homeless person. I'd never seen one before that time.
51:46 <Nothing\> Now there are hundreds in my city. I get approached every time I'm downtown.
51:51 <Nothing\> Kuschelpony, hey buddy how ya doing?
53:27 <Kuschelpony> Hello nothing, im judt tired from my workday as usual 12 hours away
09:56 <Nothing\> that's a good solid work day, you should be proud.
10:12 <Nothing\> sorry for the delayed reply. Kitties are fighting and I had to split them up.
11:03 <Nothing\> lol my one cat gets really cranky when he's tired and starts beating up on my smaller cat, so I have to shoo him into my room where he'll lie down for a nap for several hours and wake up in a better mood
11:16 <Nothing\> just like a child
12:30 <Nothing\> i swear i've even seen him pretending in his play. He'll push a toy under the stove or a microwave stand where he can just barely reach it under the crack. But he never just pulls it out, he plays with it under the thing, as though it's a mouse hiding from him and he's trying to get at it.
14:13 <Nothing\> anyways, non-cat subject. I got humidifier the other day, what a damn racket that is. It puts this white dust up into the air which apparently they all do, and it coats absolutely everything in your house. So what do you do about it? Buy a $200 ionizer of course.
15:08 <Nothing\> It was funny too because trying to figure out what it was, the article about it from some company that sells humidfiers was trying to say it's perfectly safe, but they don't know what it is. So how do they know it's safe if they don't even know what it is?
15:43 <Nothing\> Or another site trying to say it's aerosolized salts from the water. Which if solutions worked that way, I don't think salt pans would be a thing.
17:51 <Nothing\> the white dust was so bad though, I could see it hanging in the air as a sort of fog. I thought my eyes were playing tricks on me but it kept getting thicker and thicker. But there wasn't any condensation as you would expect if it was water vapor.
18:11 <Nothing\> especially at 35% humidity
19:12 <Nothing\> at least I got the dry air situation figured out upstairs. I just keep my bath tub full of warm water and run hot water from the shower into it every hour or so.
19:27 <Kuschelpony> oh its because oif my long distance travel between home and work
19:39 <Nothing\> Kuschelpony, oh? you get paid for travel costs?
19:44 <Kuschelpony> and i am already in a burnoput and exhaaustion because of this
19:47 <Nothing\> or just being busy?
20:19 <Nothing\> aw i'm sorry to hear it. I hope you being here means you have a chance to relax for at least a little bit. 3 day weekend perhaps?
20:49 <K> no chance for remote working, Kuschelpony ?
21:33 <Kuschelpony> no, i intentionally dont even try home office as it would jusdt worsen my mental issues
21:50 <K> i see.
21:50 <Nothing\> I hope remote working becomes more common. The covid thing really has highlighted just how pointless it is for a person to physically be at their place of work in a lot of situations.
21:50 <Kuschelpony> basically i do repair work in a lab
22:11 <Nothing\> But at the same time, I can understand a company not wanting to pay somebody for what they see as just sitting at home at their computer.
22:14 <K> you need other ppl or just away from home?
22:50 <Kuschelpony> and it would even more mess up me to sit alone at home whuile supposed to do theoretical work related to the thungs that sit in the lab at workplace
22:58 <Nothing\> Kuschelpony, may I ask what sort of work the lab does? I mean obviously it's something to do with electronics, perhaps RF? But that's as much as I can speculate.
23:05 <K> ah, repair work mandates being on side
23:10 <Kuschelpony> i need to be away from home, at my workplace and with my co-workers
23:33 <Nothing\> i say RF because you seem particularly knowledgeable in it.
23:36 <Kuschelpony> the least bad surrogate for my social life i wish to have
23:54 <Nothing\> Kuschelpony, that's okay. I have literally 0 social life.
23:55 <Kuschelpony> no universally around measuring and physical equipment
24:03 <Kuschelpony> oh sorry for you
24:06 <Nothing\> but I'm mostly okay with that, being an introvert
24:17 <Nothing\> thank you. It's not horrible but there are admittedly times where I get lonely.
24:33 <Nothing\> for the most part though I enjoy the solitude
24:55 <Nothing\> i guess it's a double edged sword. But it would probably drive most people nuts.
25:23 <Nothing\> The only person I know/talk to/spend any time with at all in my life is my mother. Otherwise it's just all doctors and professionals.
26:05 <Nothing\> it's nice though because it gives me the opportunity to give my mum the attention she deserves and cultivate a closer and more positive relationship with her.
26:22 <Kuschelpony> the problem is, im kind of extrovert and it kills me mentally to be stuck at home, but on the other side i have sensory overflow issues with the mass events
26:56 <Kuschelpony> what i would need are adventurous friends to go out and do the crazy stuff
27:09 <Nothing\> Kuschelpony, ah so you yearn to be social, but there are issues that prevent you from taking part in, or being at ease in social situations?
27:16 <Nothing\> or dare i say, even enjoy them
27:17 <Kuschelpony> right
27:35 <Nothing\> that's gotta be difficult. Any sort of contradictory state of mind like that is really hard.
27:47 <Kuschelpony> i would totally enjoy to go to a kind of calm club, creative space for a sunday coffee
28:16 <Kuschelpony> what i cant stand are the kind of LOUD night clubs
28:21 <Nothing\> one part of you just wants to stay in your safe place and be secure. Another part of you wants that feeling of social acceptance and sharing the enjoyment of various things with other people, to scratch the surface.
29:21 <Nothing\> ultimately the answer is to push yourself outside of your comfort zone. But even then, it takes repeated attempts before you become comfortable outside of your comfort zone like that. It's not like you take one leap into an uncomfortable situation and suddenly you're a social wizard.
29:25 Join: DHess_US ([email protected]) to #EEVblog
29:34 <Nothing\> hey DHess_US how's it going?
29:47 <Kuschelpony> Your second partos right, your first part not, its not that i feel my home as "safe space", i just have a total overload from sensory input and of course my asperger makes it a nightmare to decode at least 10% of what other people expect me to to
30:13 <DHess_US> I'm visiting friends in New Hampshire.
30:37 <Nothing\> Kuschelpony, see that's a big part of why I have no social life is because as a 38 year old single man who doesn't use social media, I have NO CLUE how to meet anybody except going to a bar or a club. But I don't drink, so that's not exactly an option either.
30:41 <Kuschelpony> oh its not so much about "comfort zone" but more about plain overload, like connecting a 120V devide to a 240V supply
30:44 <DHess_US> Traveled from St. Louis, to Portland Oregon, to Southern California, to St. Louis, to Concord New Hampshire.
30:57 <Kuschelpony> be happy that you are still so young
31:05 <Nothing\> Alternately I've considered church, but the church I attended... I was the youngest person there by about 20 years.
31:36 <Nothing\> my brother's exwife found a good supportive church and I thought maybe I could find something like that. Even though I'm not Christian, I'm interested in Christianity.
32:15 <Nothing\> Kuschelpony, ah I see. Unfortunately I haven't got much experience in that regard so I can't empathize with you as much. I'm more a social anxiety type.
32:23 <Nothing\> or I was when I was social.
32:31 <Nothing\> heck, even with my Mum I get it actually.
32:35 <Kuschelpony> fully understood
32:47 <Nothing\> I find myself censoring certain things I say or do in fear of judgement.
32:56 <Nothing\> like "oh why would she want to hear about that?"
33:16 <Kuschelpony> i do not have anxiety about social interaction, but about how i will be overloaded and stressed and finally mess up again and piss off the people
33:17 <Nothing\> but I've gotten better. It's one of the things I've been working on.
34:28 <Nothing\> Kuschelpony, ahh yes miscommunications are a terrible source of conflict. I think that's why people fight online so much. You lack a lot of the non-verbal subtleties of human speech, so things inevitably get misunderstood
35:21 <Nothing\> I don't know about the number, but when I was training to work in customer service over the phone, they emphasized that 85% of human communication is non-verbal. Body language, intonation/inflection, stuff like that.
35:37 <Kuschelpony> ooof welllets say for my special case... i do mess up less in an online conversation excatly because the non-verbal channels are missing and the other people are forced to look closer to the text
36:02 <Nothing\> Kuschelpony, ah so you know what I'm talking about then.
36:02 <Kuschelpony> much less
36:09 <Kuschelpony> yes i understand
36:45 <Nothing\> hrm well I should start on lunch. Got some homemade bean and ham soup to finish before it goes off. MMMM...
36:53 <Nothing\> Take care, buddy. <3
36:58 <Kuschelpony> thats also why i am fursuiter... because it creates an intentional disconnect and stops people interpreting my human face
37:19 <Kuschelpony> *misinterpreting
37:44 <Nothing\> And I hope you're able to make good progress in your social skills. I'm sure you will with time, inevitably.
38:01 <Nothing\> skills/whatever
38:24 <Kuschelpony> nope, im already past my peak and into autistic regression
39:17 <Nothing\> :(
40:18 <Kuschelpony> at least i can share my old electronics knowledge with you here, that helps me to feel not totally useless and a burden to the "higher" society
51:32 <Ampera> good god the backlog
51:42 <Ampera> :)
57:42 <Kuschelpony> sorry Ampera
57:52 <Ampera> no, you're fine
57:59 <Ampera> I'm just being grumpy :)
58:11 <Ampera> at least it's more than one person talking this time
01:48 <K> welp, time to face the fucking elements.
01:56 <K> one element, to be precise.
02:00 <K> fucking.
03:13 <Ampera> you getting laid or laid over?
03:19 <Kuschelpony> K so which element?
11:31 Quit: Nothing\ (~Pendragon@cpe9050ca20a183-cm9050ca20a180.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) Quit: Leaving
44:33 <T3sl4> https://i.imgur.com/q671VFv.jpeg
44:58 * Ampera sucks on T3sl4's c(l)ock
45:06 <Kuschelpony> :)
45:19 * T3sl4 c(l)ockslaps Ampera
46:05 * Ampera gives T3sl4 an hour's handjob
46:19 <T3sl4> i only needed two minutes D:
47:09 * Ampera gives T3sl4 a second handjob, to correct the error
50:19 <T3sl4> remember ladies, they might not be handsome but at least they're handy
54:23 <arch> remember ladies: they might not be handsome, but at least they're handy
54:39 * T3sl4 backhands arch
55:11 * Ampera uninstalls arch, replaces him with ubuntu
55:56 <arch> T3sl4, https://media.tenor.com/O_g727Xyv9wAAAAC/talk-to-the-hand-terminator.gif
58:08 <arch> why's shit gotta catch fire at work on a thursday. why can't it be a tuesday or wednesday? thursdays is basically a pre-friday
58:32 <T3sl4> maybe they're preparing for a 4-day work week
58:42 <arch> i wish
59:24 <Ampera> I'm an hour short of being able to get the heck outta here
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58:29 Mode: (by ChanOP) +o steve30
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05:09 <Nothing\> lemme ask you guys something about physics in your dreams
05:27 <rust4> nooooo
05:30 <Kuschelpony> welcome back Nothing
05:44 <Nothing\> do any of you recall if elevators ever work proprely in your dreams? Because I realized last night they never do in mine. I dunno if it's because I was afraid of them as a child or what but it's weird.
05:51 <Nothing\> thank you Kuschelpony
06:01 <Nothing\> rust4, did you see the news about the runestones they found?
06:07 <Nothing\> perhaps a week ago or so
06:16 <Nothing\> stone, singular
06:16 <rust4> physics do not work when I am awake, why would they work when I am sleeping?
06:29 <rust4> uh, I heard about it on the radio
06:59 <Nothing\> rust4, lol they don't but they seem to follow some unusually specific rules. Like how light switches never work. And in fact the light level in a dream will never change suddenly.
07:17 <rust4> so, if he was a tourist, jesus could have seen them, which is nice, I guess
07:30 <Nothing\> Or how text never stays the same when you look at it multiple times. It changes each time you look way and look back
07:46 <Nothing\> rust4, the runestones?
07:50 <rust4> yes
08:05 <Nothing\> i thought they were much older
08:10 <Nothing\> 2,600BC
08:13 <Nothing\> i could be wrong
08:39 <rust4> I have no idea. I thought they were around 2k years old.
08:57 <rust4> but, I did not exactly look into it
09:00 <Nothing\> oh okay you're right
09:32 <Nothing\> thought to have been inscribed between 1 and 250 C.E.
09:43 <Nothing\> not sure where i got 2600 from
09:45 <Nothing\> atari?
10:14 <Nothing\> it's interesting though how similar rune for B is to an actual B
11:39 <rust4> maybe it just worked, so why change it
22:43 <Nothing\> Yeah, the letter A is apparently derived from a pictogram of an ox's skull.
23:09 <Nothing\> it's interesting to look at how letters evolved over the various civilizations who used them.
23:41 <Nothing\> even English has several letters we no longer use. Like Thorn. Which was pronounced as "th"
23:52 <Nothing\> I'm sure you know all about that though.
24:27 <rust4> here, we have �, or �. it is one of the newest letters, I think.
24:32 <Nothing\> the history of thorn and how it led to people saying "ye old" even though the y is supposed to be thorn and pronounced as TH so there's no such thing as ye old anything.
25:10 <Nothing\> I don't believe we've made any changes recently. But we could certainly do away with the letter S I think at the very least.
25:33 <Nothing\> either S, or C
26:20 <Nothing\> lol @ cat damn near concussing herself trying to pounce on a window bird that was less than half a foot away.
26:24 <rust4> I think the letter � was added a bit over 100 years ago. it had an anniversary thing a few years ago
26:30 <Nothing\> forgot there was a solid barrier there
26:44 <Nothing\> rust4, heh these aren't showing up for me. I guess my unicode sucks
27:11 <rust4> it is an a, with a small circle on top,
27:20 <Nothing\> okay I know what you mean
27:31 <rust4> it replaced aa
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09:14 <steve30> hi
39:00 Quit: Nothing\ (~Pendragon@cpe9050ca20a183-cm9050ca20a180.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) Quit: Leaving
42:51 * T3sl4 pets the steve30
43:02 <steve30> *purr*
44:33 <K> (prrfft)
44:51 <T3sl4> K is a purrtato
45:11 * K potats some
45:25 <T3sl4> maximal potatssence
45:56 <K> hey T3sl4, are universal motors triac-dimmer-able?
48:40 <T3sl4> yes
50:31 <K> nothing tricky then
50:42 <T3sl4> may need/want a snubber, being inductive
51:04 <T3sl4> that's about all such speed controllers are, AFAIK
51:23 <K> im kinda thinking about stuff i would need for vacuuming up fr4 dust with minimal noise
52:16 <K> Ysjoelfir suggested a quiet dry vacuuum w prolly more than needed suck-power, and i was wondering if i could reduce the noise even more by dimming the motor
52:50 <T3sl4> i suppose, but the suction will drop off quickly with RPM
53:20 * steve30 curls up around T3sl4 
53:35 <T3sl4> a smaller like handheld or dyson somethingy or other might be more handy?
53:47 * T3sl4 shuts off the vacuums to avoid spooking the steve30
54:01 <K> we had one very anemic hand-held earlier in the office
54:09 <K> it was awwfuly bad at sucking
54:19 <T3sl4> hehe
55:35 <K> boss boutht it without asking and then it quietly dissapered
56:11 <T3sl4> "quietly"
56:20 <T3sl4> too quietly i guess ;)
57:14 <K> yeah
58:51 <T3sl4> kinda depends what you're doing too, like if you just want to control dust in the workspace, even a tabletop air filtration thing will do; if it's on saws, a vacuum will keep the dust and swarf down without needing to be very strong
59:07 <T3sl4> if you want to clean surfaces, the dust tends to stick around and you need quite a stronger vacuum, plus some wipes probably anyway
02:45 * Ampera kisses the T3sl4
02:50 <Ampera> how are you do
02:52 * T3sl4 smooches Ampera
30:49 <K> i want to suck up fr4 dust from drilling/routing
31:09 <K> that shit is just too bad
11:50 <jaymax> !ymca \o_
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36:41 <electrohead> o/
37:28 <jaymax> \o_
37:29 <EEVBot> I
37:29 <EEVBot> \ /
38:39 * jaymax remembered about beans to reconstitute
39:15 <jaymax> Big'ol pot of chickpeas on the stove right now.
43:07 <jaymax> https://youtu.be/yyboSQ8gnng
43:08 <EEVBot> [YouTube] ⁨It's for Charity. 8:08 tonight.⁩ | 9m 1s | Channel: ⁨Gaming Garbage⁩ | 25,876 views | 2021-11-07 - 00:06:56UTC
52:42 * electrohead peas on jaymax's chicks
53:35 * jaymax gets out the pimpin' hat and chases after electrohead with a cane.
02:48 <electrohead> cane fight!
03:10 <Halcyon> Morning peanut brittle
06:00 * Ampera kisses Halcyon 
06:00 <Ampera> <3
06:03 <Ampera> how are you doing friend?
06:10 <Halcyon> YAY! Not too bad, how are you?
06:18 <Ampera> tired
06:25 <Halcyon> Naww
12:26 <Ampera> found another metal band I seem to like
12:28 <Ampera> which is always nice
12:45 <Ampera> it's pretty gay, so it might even annoy electrohead
13:01 <electrohead> Don't tell me about it, then
13:05 * electrohead hugs Halcyon
13:23 <Ampera> I won't. I respect your antiquity :)
15:34 <Halcyon> Hey electrohead :)
18:38 <jaymax> Hay electrohead :)
22:27 <electrohead> HAAAYYYZ
22:29 * electrohead shakes it
22:47 * electrohead flips his hand in the air
23:12 <electrohead> Lol. Sup you stud muffins :P
23:18 <electrohead> That includes you, Ampera.
23:25 <electrohead> Well, minus the stud.
23:26 <electrohead> xD
23:43 <jaymax> Well I do have quite the muffin top. So a thank.
23:46 * Ampera sneezes
23:57 <electrohead> A welcome.
24:03 <Ampera> kinda gay ngl
24:13 * electrohead wraps Ampera in queerness
24:31 <Ampera> pardon you
24:35 <Ampera> I'm as straight as a circle
24:41 * jaymax layers on queer ambiguity
25:12 <T3sl4> circles range from infinitesimal points to curvature so gradual it's a line
25:19 * T3sl4 strokes Ampera's arc segment
25:27 <jaymax> LOL
25:44 * Ampera rubs up on T3sl4's tangent
26:03 <jaymax> More curves than a MLK statue.
26:09 <Ampera> I am so gay I ended up being straight again
26:25 <jaymax> So like guggalos?
26:50 <Ampera> I don't want to know what that word means
26:53 <jaymax> Juggalos*
27:08 <Ampera> see prior statement
27:16 <jaymax> Insane Clown Pussies
27:27 <T3sl4> fuckin [ampera's sexuality], how do they work?!
27:43 <jaymax> Just Like magnets.
27:55 <T3sl4> mutual attraction amirite
28:10 <jaymax> Opposites attract, so Ampera pivoted
28:18 <Ampera> when you're so hot you hit your curie point and nobody's attracted to you anymore
29:39 <jaymax> There are forums who think like that. One of those forum members turned their car into s human battering ram.
36:13 <electrohead> Lmfao
36:27 <electrohead> Ampera: Here's a heavy song to jam to, if you want - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SC_eTWn_-SQ
36:27 <EEVBot> [YouTube] ⁨"The Shackles Of Sobriety" (Lyric Video)- Narcotic Wasteland⁩ | 4m 57s | Channel: ⁨Narcotic Wasteland Band⁩ | 26,192 views | 2014-01-13 - 01:13:33UTC
36:42 <Ampera> Yes, but is it powerful
39:32 <Ampera> meh, have some of this electrohead https://youtube.com/watch?v=huPXtGDv2oY
39:33 <EEVBot> [YouTube] ⁨I Want Out⁩ | 3m 51s | Channel: ⁨Sonata Arctica - Topic⁩ | 1,631 views | 2023-01-02 - 10:05:59UTC
40:14 <electrohead> I just love the music of that band
40:28 <electrohead> Plus, "Narcotic Wasteland" is a great band name, lol
40:53 <Ampera> maybe if you're playing the national anthem
42:20 <electrohead> Lol
46:17 <electrohead> Ampera: Ever hear of a band called Brutality?
46:26 <Ampera> If you've heard of it, I haven't heard of it
46:30 * T3sl4 BABALITYs electrohead
46:53 <Ampera> I don't think there's a whole lot of overlap in what we listen to
47:16 <jaymax> HOW IS BABALITY FORMED
47:29 <T3sl4> HOW GURL GET PREGONANTALITY
48:21 <Ampera> whatever the hell you guys are smoking let me have some
48:47 <T3sl4> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ll-lia-FEIY
48:48 <EEVBot> [YouTube] ⁨How is babby formed?⁩ | 34s | Channel: ⁨Chris Bixby⁩ | 2,095,716 views | 2008-06-30 - 03:23:07UTC
49:22 <T3sl4> i remember the audio being better...
50:12 <electrohead> Lol ...
53:03 <jaymax> T3sl4: Shockwave Flash just had better audio. /s
53:13 <T3sl4> aye
54:08 <jaymax> Well, seems like someone did a 50/60Hz mismatch on the conversion
02:27 <jaymax> https://www.somethingawful.com/weekend-web/yahoo-answers-revisited/
02:27 <EEVBot> [url] Yahoo! Answers Revisited | www.somethingawful.com
33:25 <MrMobodies> Hello
33:32 <MrMobodies> Ooooh Yahtzee
33:40 <MrMobodies> I remember him
33:51 <MrMobodies> he use to be on this website 2 decades ago
33:58 <MrMobodies> that had Gnomes and Elves
34:36 <MrMobodies> a forum where he had a his subforum
34:50 <MrMobodies> where they had an obsession over Starwars I think
35:14 <MrMobodies> and he took an offer for a magazine in 2006 or 7?
35:33 <MrMobodies> He did this cartoon thing with Tony Blair in it and his ministers c
35:41 <MrMobodies> called "The naughty box"
36:24 <MrMobodies> where there was someone in the naughty box and he told his minister not to offer help
36:44 <MrMobodies> he tried to and Blair said "You know the rules... the naughty box"
37:55 <MrMobodies> ooh I can't find it anymore it was one of his comics
47:31 <Ampera> MrMobodies, Escapist magazine?
51:02 <Ampera> Yahtzee is the nickname of Benjamin Croshaw, who runs Zero Punctuation, one of the best video game review segments ever made
51:39 <Ampera> which he makes for Escapist
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57:39 <arch> PREGANTE!
57:50 <arch> or gregnant even
57:58 * T3sl4 pokes arch in the tummy
58:52 * arch farts
20:28 <MrMobodies> He use to be on a forum called Chefelf
20:39 <MrMobodies> which hosted one of his sub forums
20:44 <MrMobodies> and many others
20:55 <MrMobodies> that was back in 2003
21:13 <MrMobodies> possible gone now
21:27 <MrMobodies> they had all sort of comic writers there too
21:54 <MrMobodies> and even a forum for star wars and a some games that use to run on PHP
22:33 <MrMobodies> my favourite comic was the naughty box
23:05 <MrMobodies> Tony Blair: "Off to the naughty box... you know the rules"
23:52 <MrMobodies> oooh still there
23:53 <MrMobodies> https://www.chefelf.com/forums/index.php?showforum=15
23:54 <EEVBot> [url] Chefelf.com Night Life -> FullyRamblomatic Forums | www.chefelf.com
23:59 <MrMobodies> Fully Rambolic forum
24:04 <MrMobodies> but on it's last leg
24:41 <MrMobodies> https://web.archive.org/web/20041024180037/https://www.chefelf.com/forums/index.php?showforum=15
24:44 <EEVBot> [url] Chefelf.com Night Life -> FullyRamblomatic Forums | web.archive.org
25:04 <MrMobodies> archive.org seems to have preserved it very well
25:09 <MrMobodies> the last time I remembered it
26:19 <MrMobodies> I think over the years it changed but
26:47 <MrMobodies> forgot all about Yahtzee and his comics
27:31 <MrMobodies> maybe that it didn't keep up to date
27:37 <MrMobodies> the board software
32:48 <MrMobodies> I remember something
33:29 <MrMobodies> Yahtzee had this girlfriend in Australia on that board and I heard he broke up with her some years later.
33:56 <MrMobodies> So long ago I can't remember all the details
34:23 <MrMobodies> she moderated his FullyRambolic board at first
34:30 <MrMobodies> as far as I can remember
44:36 <MrMobodies> found it
44:37 <MrMobodies> https://web.archive.org/web/20070610063211/http://www.chefelf.com/forums/index.php?showuser=113
44:39 <EEVBot> [url] Viewing Profile | web.archive.org
45:45 <MrMobodies> actually that was much later
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03:10 <MrMobodies> my cold has come back some days ago
03:16 <MrMobodies> it seems different this time
03:22 <Halcyon> Aww no
03:25 <MrMobodies> I am spitting out a lot of sticky slimy flem
03:36 <MrMobodies> the week before it was the eyes
03:36 <Halcyon> Delicious
03:53 <MrMobodies> The gp has sent a prescription for some more anti biotics
04:00 <MrMobodies> but I want to be seen to
04:28 <MrMobodies> they said if the anti biotics don't work (which it did last time and the time before that)
04:35 <MrMobodies> I'd have to go for an xray on my chest
04:53 <MrMobodies> I didn't think 6 strong anti biotics is enough
05:26 <MrMobodies> the previous weaker amoxcillians were working fine it just wasn't enough
05:45 <MrMobodies> normally I am given a 10 day course (pack of 14)
05:55 <MrMobodies> they gave me a pack of 7
06:08 <MrMobodies> oh I can't remember it was more than that
06:10 <MrMobodies> 3 a day
06:15 <MrMobodies> 21 tablets
06:18 <MrMobodies> a pack
06:55 <MrMobodies> they have stopped coughing at the pub
07:04 <MrMobodies> my parents are still coughing
07:09 <MrMobodies> I am taking some mints
07:14 <MrMobodies> which helps a little
07:25 <MrMobodies> I have some onions and that really brings up the flem
07:43 <MrMobodies> I am using the cough medicine as it just breaks it down a little it does nothing now
07:49 <MrMobodies> too much flem I coughing up
08:02 <MrMobodies> so its like a bacterial infection all over again
08:15 <MrMobodies> it was coming and going, and my sister had the same problem
08:19 <MrMobodies> 2 weeks ago
09:13 <MrMobodies> I found this article about the NHS earlier
09:15 <MrMobodies> https://www.express.co.uk/comment/expresscomment/1723764/nhs-striking-nurses-doctors-boris-johnson-memoir
09:16 <EEVBot> [url] ERROR: The request could not be satisfied | www.express.co.uk
09:27 <MrMobodies> "The NHS is losing popularity – it’s no wonder people are going private, says ESTHER McVEY"
09:37 <MrMobodies> if the NHS is loosing popularity
09:49 <MrMobodies> why are they are so many people lying on floors
09:55 <MrMobodies> because all the beds are taken
10:17 <MrMobodies> I suppose a lot of people who are struggling with the energy bills don't have a choice
10:30 <MrMobodies> so the NHS is going to be popular with the poorer majority
10:57 <MrMobodies> I thought of the word "Properganda" when I read that.
11:37 <MrMobodies> Express newspaper https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daily_Express
11:38 <EEVBot> [wikipedia] Daily Express | "The Daily Express is a national daily United Kingdom middle-market newspaper printed in tabloid format. Published in London, it is the flagship of Express Newspapers, owned by publisher Reach plc. It was first published as a broadsheet in 1900 by Sir Arthur Pearson. Its sister paper, the Sunday Express, was launched in 1918. In June 2022, it had an average daily circulation of 201,608.The paper rose to become the largest […]"
11:45 <MrMobodies> oops
11:54 <MrMobodies> Conservative loyalist
12:21 <MrMobodies> the Author of the article: ESTHER MCVEY Conservative
12:31 <MrMobodies> isn't that a surprise?
12:47 <MrMobodies> Joke: I bet she could afford to go private.
18:38 <MrMobodies> ooh "Don’t be surprised if more move to the private sector. People who go on strike tend to harm their own sector in the long run"
18:50 <MrMobodies> the nurses didn't go on strike for a long time
19:00 <MrMobodies> they are on strike because they can't afford to live apparently
19:07 <MrMobodies> what do you think?
19:49 <MrMobodies> quite said to come across the article, I heard the nurses are undervalues, underpaid and do their best, before the strike
08:06 <Halcyon> Evening all
08:52 <MrMobodies> hello
08:56 <MrMobodies> i found this nice tune
09:13 <MrMobodies> 1984 by Jean Michel Jarre
09:26 <MrMobodies> but I only find part of it interesting
09:50 <MrMobodies> 6:47 into it
09:52 <MrMobodies> https://youtu.be/gIHDfNFDiLc?t=405
09:52 <EEVBot> [YouTube] ⁨Jean Michel Jarre - Ethnicolor (1984 Vinyl LP) - Technics 1200G / Hana MH⁩ | 11m 43s | Channel: ⁨AudioPhil⁩ | 12,084 views | 2022-03-24 - 06:15:02UTC
10:06 <MrMobodies> it reminds me of some of the sounds off a game I once played in 2001
10:10 <MrMobodies> called Redfaction
11:49 <MrMobodies> I think that would make a great contestant for disco night when I bring in my gear for the big speakers
11:57 <MrMobodies> at the local pubhouse
12:44 <MrMobodies> the execution of the instruments sound perfect to me
12:52 <MrMobodies> including the drums
13:30 <MrMobodies> sound any good to you?
17:25 <Halcyon> I like his Oxygene album
19:57 <Halcyon> But yeh that sounds good
20:04 <Halcyon> He has always made interesting music
20:24 <Halcyon> Belongs in a movie like Hackers
28:42 <MrMobodies> oh yes
28:52 <MrMobodies> I didn't know that
29:09 <Halcyon> My dad used to play it on CD when I was a kid
29:20 <Halcyon> (I was an 80s/90s kid afterall)
29:33 <MrMobodies> my favourite quote
29:40 <MrMobodies> "There must be a leak on the roof"
29:50 <MrMobodies> when he the set the fire alarms off
30:01 <MrMobodies> as if there was that swimming pool up there as he was told
30:19 <Halcyon> Heheh great movie, albeit overly-dramatised
30:35 <MrMobodies> I like how the crook got arrested in the end
30:38 <MrMobodies> over a pillow
30:50 <MrMobodies> in luxury
30:59 <MrMobodies> I mean in the airplane
31:10 <Halcyon> Yeh that doesn't happen. They wouldn't even let him get on the plane.
31:18 <MrMobodies> oh
31:25 <MrMobodies> I thought he wanted a pillow
31:32 <Halcyon> I mean in real life
31:33 <MrMobodies> and he got handcuffed
31:35 <MrMobodies> aah
32:16 <MrMobodies> mind you if you are an immigrant and get to England
32:23 <Halcyon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAuHerZRl1s
32:23 <EEVBot> [YouTube] ⁨Make these 4 foods at home for MASSIVE savings 💰⁩ | 16m 22s | Channel: ⁨Pro Home Cooks⁩ | 79,890 views | 2023-01-19 - 17:18:51UTC
32:27 <MrMobodies> you can get a free trip to Rwanda, if you like
32:30 <Halcyon> That lentil sprout thing is a good idea
32:39 <MrMobodies> for my cold
32:42 <MrMobodies> that would be nice
32:51 <MrMobodies> I already had half a bar of this trebor
32:56 <MrMobodies> extra stong mint
33:10 <MrMobodies> ooh someone was telling me about this thing he takes when it gets really bad
33:11 <Halcyon> Even the sourdough he makes. I've never baked bread in a dutch oven. I'm going to try it
33:23 <MrMobodies> aah
33:36 <MrMobodies> https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0074FO8ES?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details
33:37 <EEVBot> [url] Amazon.co.uk | www.amazon.co.uk
33:43 <MrMobodies> for colds
33:53 <MrMobodies> full of sugar so I got to be extra careful
33:55 <Halcyon> Ahh yeh
33:57 <MrMobodies> I don't want my teeth to rot
34:03 <Halcyon> Fisherman's friend probably works too
34:26 <MrMobodies> ooh sourdough bread
34:32 <MrMobodies> my mum makes those in the breadmaker
34:42 <Halcyon> I have some dried starter, I probably should use it.
34:58 <MrMobodies> she brought some in Tesco's "finest" and they were so soft they tore apart
35:18 <MrMobodies> I wouldn't call their finest range finest
35:27 <MrMobodies> for most of their finest stuff int he posh gold packaging
35:35 <Halcyon> I see
35:41 <MrMobodies> their finest suasuage taste life stuffin
36:01 <MrMobodies> and I can taste all the fat, cook it anymore and it will be black
36:17 <MrMobodies> but we got a Panasonic bread maker
36:27 <MrMobodies> to make rolls and that
36:36 <MrMobodies> we hadn't used it this Christmas
36:53 <MrMobodies> it is put away to make space for the family
37:03 <MrMobodies> but soon it will be back making breafd
37:12 <MrMobodies> and putting Terrible Tesco's to shame
37:23 <MrMobodies> Tesco supermarket i mean
37:32 <Halcyon> Yeh I don't mind the bread makers, they do a decent job. I just don't particularly like "one job" gadgets
37:51 <Halcyon> They just take up a lot of room. Also I enjoy cooking so there is that
37:57 <MrMobodies> you make yours by hand?
38:34 <MrMobodies> yoi must be a good cook
39:25 <Halcyon> Yeh I've always made it manually
39:31 <Halcyon> I'm alright, can always be better
39:47 <MrMobodies> nothing better than making it and then tasting it
39:54 <MrMobodies> I found a way of cleaning pans
39:55 <Halcyon> Indeed
40:04 <MrMobodies> I heat it up to get very hot
40:18 <MrMobodies> make the remaing contents burn
40:23 <MrMobodies> and use tissue to get it out
40:27 <MrMobodies> then put vinegar in
40:37 <MrMobodies> and more tissue to get the residue out
40:45 <MrMobodies> a waste of tissue but seems quicker
41:02 <Halcyon> Good idea, unless you have non-stick pans
41:13 <Halcyon> Teflon etc... doesn't like very hot temperatures
41:15 <MrMobodies> theses are non stick
41:22 <MrMobodies> aaha not good
41:30 <MrMobodies> it could deteriorate
41:34 <Halcyon> For non-stick, I just throw them in the dishwasher
41:47 <Halcyon> But what you describe is how I clean my iron pans
41:55 <MrMobodies> interesting
42:03 <MrMobodies> I have a few metal pans
42:16 <MrMobodies> I got some knives with them in 2006 that i still use
42:17 <Halcyon> Cast iron and similar can't go in the dishwasher, they just rust
42:23 <MrMobodies> all metal and made in Yorkshire
42:41 <MrMobodies> I think these might be aluminium pans
42:46 <MrMobodies> the ones that stick
42:50 <MrMobodies> all metal though
43:01 <MrMobodies> Stellar make
43:39 <MrMobodies> the oven and gas cooker in this house isn't very good
43:44 <Halcyon> I see
43:53 <MrMobodies> one day it will be knocked out
44:00 <MrMobodies> and put a proper range cooker in like my old house
44:12 <MrMobodies> two large ovens and six burners
44:18 <MrMobodies> and a grill
44:30 <MrMobodies> and a hood with proper ventillation
44:41 <MrMobodies> the cowboys did put the hood on with the fan
44:50 <MrMobodies> but the pipe don't go anywhere
45:23 <MrMobodies> that was done by the previous occupant who was a Chinese man
45:33 <MrMobodies> Mr Lee Lewis something
45:37 <Halcyon> That is so stupid, I've never understood vent hoods that don't vent anywhere
45:49 <Halcyon> They just circulate the shit air around the kitchen
46:00 <MrMobodies> there are a lot of things stupid in this house
46:08 <MrMobodies> that they had done
46:19 <Halcyon> It's actually fairly common
46:22 <MrMobodies> they moved the boiler from the cupboard into the extension
46:27 <Halcyon> And I don't understand the mentality
46:29 <MrMobodies> the extended the pipes
46:41 <MrMobodies> but they run the wires outside through a gap into the attic
46:53 <MrMobodies> one white cable and one grey cables used in walls
47:00 <MrMobodies> and trees are now growing around them
47:11 <MrMobodies> we are due to get it replaced and new boiler
47:24 <MrMobodies> oh yes there is 28ml pipes upstairs
47:33 <MrMobodies> but when they extened the boiler
47:37 <MrMobodies> they used 22ml pipes
47:43 <MrMobodies> very clever isn't it?
48:03 <MrMobodies> that's a joke
48:07 <Halcyon> S-M-R-T
48:18 <MrMobodies> they did get the lighiting riht in my workshop though
48:35 <MrMobodies> three 1.8m commerical fittings flourascent bulbs
48:41 <MrMobodies> two bulbs per fitting
48:48 <MrMobodies> I took one out of each
48:51 <MrMobodies> waste of power
49:17 <MrMobodies> I am pleased this Christmas i had good heating
49:25 <Halcyon> That's good
49:31 <MrMobodies> since we cut the microbore pipe
49:46 <MrMobodies> and run some copper through the wall to a radiator that works
50:09 <MrMobodies> I remembered when I first visited this house
50:23 <MrMobodies> Mr Lee Lewis... in a Chingish accent
50:29 <MrMobodies> "We got Fibreoptic broadband"
50:39 <MrMobodies> I looked, "Nah that ain't fibre optic"
50:40 <Halcyon> That's important
50:44 <Halcyon> Oh
50:46 <Halcyon> Hahah
50:52 <MrMobodies> that's telepjone cable, fibre to the cabinet
50:57 <MrMobodies> and he stood up and smiled
51:04 <MrMobodies> whilst the wife did all the talking
51:16 <MrMobodies> he gave us a free barbecue which as very nice
51:23 <MrMobodies> it was the brick one outside (sarcasm)
51:25 <Halcyon> Is that like our Fibre to the Node (where the node is the box out in the street that feeds part of a suburb)?
51:35 <MrMobodies> fibre to the box across the street
51:50 <MrMobodies> VDSL2
52:01 <MrMobodies> yes
52:06 <MrMobodies> the nod feeds the area
52:15 <MrMobodies> and they patch the cables from the older green boxes across
52:22 <Halcyon> Ahh so we also have Fibre to the Curb, which is as it sounds, fibre near the house somewhere, with copper the forming the connection between the street and the house
52:42 <MrMobodies> I am glad it isn't aluminium
52:58 <Halcyon> Give it time, I'm sure they'll start using it soon enough
53:10 <Halcyon> I don't care anymore, I have fibre to my garage
53:12 <MrMobodies> oh yes I heard thye were caught using what looks liek some in 2015
53:16 <MrMobodies> which openreach denied
53:27 <MrMobodies> oh cca cable I mean
53:39 <MrMobodies> it could be there are using copper coated with silver
53:42 <Halcyon> I knew what you meant
53:44 <MrMobodies> I have seen it on alarm cable
53:50 <Halcyon> Yeh that stuff is garbage
54:02 <MrMobodies> I had to rewire a shop in 2012
54:09 <Halcyon> It's a "good enough for consumers" type of cable
54:12 <MrMobodies> when I discovered what CCA mean't on the box
54:22 <MrMobodies> I went absolutely bezerk
54:26 <MrMobodies> I can't do this to my friends
54:44 <MrMobodies> they wanted the cable quick so we went round trhe corner and they paid double
54:55 <Halcyon> Hahah yep. It's a bit like "Made in PRC". They sneak that onto packaging here as it sounds better than "China" which most people would normally turn their nose up at
54:56 <MrMobodies> a job in White Chapel in London
55:12 <MrMobodies> none of the stuff was abbreviated ont he box
55:19 <Halcyon> Particularly in supermarket foods, PRC is a last-ditch effort to sell food here.
55:37 <MrMobodies> the first cable we had to take back, the condocturs were snapping and that said CCA on it too
55:47 <MrMobodies> 305m roll
56:00 <MrMobodies> they got their money back but to not to business with the wholesaler again
56:27 <MrMobodies> we went to another that wasn't too bad, but when I saq CCA 2am in the morning
56:32 <Halcyon> CCA also burns under a flame
56:37 <MrMobodies> I was all happy I wired up 20 sockets
56:46 <MrMobodies> all pleased looking at the pictures
56:54 <MrMobodies> let see what the means cca
57:08 <MrMobodies> I couldn't believe what i was reading... I'd been had
57:28 <MrMobodies> anyway I got it from my supplier and rewired it the following week
57:33 <Halcyon> https://youtu.be/ojFPdg7DGvk?t=442
57:33 <EEVBot> [YouTube] ⁨How To tell the difference between CCA and COPPER wire cable and FAKE ETHERNET cables⁩ | 17m 36s | Channel: ⁨My Mate VINCE⁩ | 58,389 views | 2014-10-19 - 01:24:11UTC
57:41 <MrMobodies> oh yes CCA
57:48 <MrMobodies> I had some fake Excel ones in 2016
57:52 <MrMobodies> a batch of old stock
58:00 <MrMobodies> packet loss on the cables
58:06 <MrMobodies> to tidy up my rack
58:19 <MrMobodies> I got suspicious and tore one apart and put that under flame
58:27 <MrMobodies> then I sent the whole lot back to the supplier
58:42 <MrMobodies> the supplier sent me a sample of some other
59:21 <MrMobodies> which was fine and now I buy one, break the cables up, burn them before I order in bulk
59:38 <MrMobodies> I;ll see if I can find some pictures
59:45 <MrMobodies> that was in 2016
59:52 <MrMobodies> my cabinet was messy
00:06 <MrMobodies> and all different size cables for a 24 port patch panel
00:26 <MrMobodies> what was sold as old stock turned out to be a lesson for me
00:56 <MrMobodies> looks like I will have to sleep on the chair
01:07 <MrMobodies> until I had a few doses of anti biotics
01:08 <Halcyon> Nap time?
01:11 <MrMobodies> and see how that goes
01:12 <MrMobodies> soon
01:20 <MrMobodies> with this cold
01:23 <MrMobodies> I can't lie down
01:29 <MrMobodies> I get a tingling in my throat
01:38 <MrMobodies> I never had this type before
01:49 <Halcyon> Is it rona?
02:24 <MrMobodies> Rotavirus?
02:33 <Halcyon> Covid
02:37 <MrMobodies> ohh sorry
02:51 <MrMobodies> wth covid in 2020 in January I know i had covid
02:56 <MrMobodies> 6 weeks of hell
03:02 <MrMobodies> I had this pressure in my head
03:11 <MrMobodies> I couldn't think properly
03:11 <Halcyon> Sounds like flu's/colds don't agree with you
03:21 <MrMobodies> it was the worst cold ever
03:36 <MrMobodies> but then the folks at the pubhouse started to experience the smae thing
03:46 <MrMobodies> in March there was covid and the symptoms I had match
04:00 <MrMobodies> I have not had a cold for 2 years now since covid
04:13 <MrMobodies> this started in November last year
04:25 <MrMobodies> could be my immunity is low
04:53 <MrMobodies> aah the new virus is called Rona
05:01 <Halcyon> BRB, phone
06:52 <MrMobodies> *A dry cough* *Muscle or body aches*
06:52 <MrMobodies> *A sore throat* *Congestion or runny nose*
07:27 <MrMobodies> I did have fever and chilld but not badly and considering it was really cold
17:03 <K> hello temperatures
43:14 <steve30> hi
45:07 <steve30> Apparently today is International Fetish Day
51:17 <steve30> but that aside, i have to go to the jobcentre today
51:58 <K> i am not one to judge, but that is a really specific fetish
53:02 <steve30> That would be indeed
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28:08 * Ysjoelfir pets steve30
28:18 <Ysjoelfir> why do you need to go to such a haunted place?
28:48 <Ysjoelfir> also, K, thanks for sending over that cold stuff, finally! I was informed that it will arrive in february
29:16 <K> eew.
29:47 <steve30> hopefully to find a job, but they aren't very good at that
30:04 <Ysjoelfir> K - no, thats nice :D I am very happy when I listened to the weather forecast today
30:12 <Ysjoelfir> steve30 - in my experience.... they indeed are not.
30:22 <Ysjoelfir> at least the german ones
30:43 <steve30> they are useless here
31:14 <steve30> Usually they will just try and stick their nose into your personal life and not even attempt to find any listings of vacancies
31:52 <Ysjoelfir> sounds familiar
31:56 <Ysjoelfir> but
32:21 <Ysjoelfir> I noticed a significant difference between the jobcenter for.... all people, and the special division for academics.
32:39 <Ysjoelfir> Which I happened to get into when I lost my job last year. it was a whole different thing
34:53 <K> are you an academic?
36:41 <Ysjoelfir> I am a bachelor of engineering
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40:57 <K> ah.
41:29 <steve30> I'm on disability benefits. When on that, they treat you like you are completely incapable of doing any paid work at all, but simultaneously think you shouldn't be on benefits...
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45:03 <Ysjoelfir> That sounds stupid and inhumane. But at the same time, I would expect exactly that from governmental systems, sadly
54:16 <K> hey Ysjoelfir, is this one from the loony part of AfD - https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1616221917098250243 ?
54:17 <EEVBot> [Twitter] NEXTA (@nexta_tv): 🤡#German MP from the far-right "Alternative for Germany" (AfD) party @PetrBystronAfD compared arms deliveries to #Ukraine with #Hitler's attack on the #SovietUnion. https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1616221748566925312/pu/vid/1280x720/1AF8dnrQmzEhf0_h.mp4?tag=12 | 80 RTs | 384 ♥s | Posted: 2023-01-20 - 01:51:47EET
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58:05 <Ysjoelfir> yes, but I don't think they are AS loony as they are depicted. The comparison he makes is stupid, sure, but the other parties are like "nah, its fine, we don't engage in the war at all!", which is equally stupid. Also, in each and every talk from one of the AfD people, the other parties are disrespectfull as fuck, are disturbing and talking into their speaches, and the parliment chief does exactly nothing. I fear that way people who
58:05 <Ysjoelfir> identify with their kinda on-the-edge views, are pushed to a more severe level as they feel that the only party that voices their fears and thoughts is getting bullied in parliment, which they might take as a personal offense.
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59:36 <K> yeah i was wondering why moderator did not call out for the yellers from the seats to be quiet
59:47 <K> not sure how you call the moderator there
00:20 <Ysjoelfir> Chief of the Parliemnt, basically
00:34 <K> maybe you should consider renting one from UK, complete with the huge wig and the hammer to smash
00:53 <K> "OODAAAH!!!!" (SLAM SLAM SLAM SLAM)
01:52 <Ysjoelfir> otoh, if anyone of the AfD talks into a speech of any of the governmental parties, they get called to be quiet immediately. kind of a double standard.... and yep, I would highly like to have a true neutral parliment chief, and yes, please with wig and hammer, that would be awesome :D
02:45 <K> like have one that is not elected, or even from out of country, so that no fucks are given, only that there is OOODAAAAH!
03:26 <Ysjoelfir> I mean, you don't need to agree to their oppinions... but they are not saying anything illegal, nor are they some group of idiots that nobody cares about, its actually a lot stronger already than 2 of the smaller parties that have been in the government, and they are even stronger than our green governmental party was a few years ago.
03:45 <Ysjoelfir> Yes, K, that would be perfect. Just don't give a fuck about WHAT they talk, just keep the oooodaaaaah!!! in place
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36:29 <Ysjoelfir> So, a distant friend of the family received his new tax report for his plot of land that has been in the families possession for hundreds of years. before he paid 250€ +/- per year in taxes. after the new calculation, because germany noticed that they didn't reevaluate the land taxes since the 1930s, he has to pay 11870,46€ per year. the guy is 82 and not rich, I assume he gets roughly 10 K per year in retirement money. he lives in a
36:29 <Ysjoelfir> tiny old wrecked house on a big plot of land that is not splittable by law and basically worthless as its 80% a nature protection region. how is he supposed to survive now?
40:00 <K> pfff
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03:05 <electrohead> o/
03:08 * electrohead hugs the Ysjoelfir
03:17 <electrohead> K: no, you're a potat
03:24 * jaymax hogties the electrohead
03:48 <electrohead> Please do, because then I won't be able to make it to work.
05:19 * jaymax does.
05:33 <jaymax> Then takes electrohead to work.
10:15 <electrohead> Nooooo
10:17 <electrohead> NOOO
11:48 <K> WORK IT WORK IT
12:29 * Ysjoelfir works electrohead
12:39 <electrohead> work it like a prostitute?
12:42 <electrohead> wait
12:45 <electrohead> where's Ampera?
12:47 <electrohead> lol
12:57 <K> that is a very specific association eh
13:06 <electrohead> ja.
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31:25 <Ampera> morning
31:35 <electrohead> there he is :p
31:48 <Ampera> uhuh
32:05 <electrohead> lol, hey dude
32:21 <Ampera> hey pimp
32:46 <electrohead> you know it
36:57 <jaymax> Mournings miss-stumpy-thumbs Ampera
37:07 <jaymax> <3
37:14 <Ampera> wha?
38:08 <jaymax> Recall you had a photo holding a book or something.
41:59 <electrohead> Lol
42:44 <Ampera> my fingers are pretty long tho
43:20 <jaymax> Well, thumbs are not fingers so...
43:21 <Ampera> how else could i flip sparkykopf off properly?
44:14 * Ampera jams her thumb inside of jaymax and pokes around, looking for the self destruct button
45:39 <jaymax> Hey ma'am. If I can't toss around insults Dick-Tracy-style - then maybe using "miss" isn't fun either.
46:37 <Halcyon> Evening coconuts
47:01 * jaymax shower Halcyon with limes.
47:03 * Ampera jams her thumb into Halcyon until it finds his self destruct button
47:09 <Halcyon> Mmmm lime
47:20 <Halcyon> A 'lil deeper Ampera
47:23 <jaymax> Lime times.
47:25 <Halcyon> And to the left
47:39 <Ampera> I should make limeade again
47:41 <Halcyon> I love citrus fruits and smells
47:43 <K> fucking unsanitary!
48:03 * Ampera snaps a latex glove on and looks menacingly at K
48:08 <Halcyon> I'm sure Ampera washer her hands beforehand
48:25 <K> :|
48:43 <Ampera> Yep. Washed them in canadian juices
48:53 <Halcyon> Which are?
49:04 <Ampera> you don't wanna knoe
49:36 <jaymax> Halcyon: she's all pissy because I called her miss-stumpy-thumbs
49:40 <jaymax> LOL
50:28 <Halcyon> Heh
50:45 <Halcyon> In other news, my server/storage room is entirely organised and tidy once again
50:52 <Halcyon> You can actually walk inside now
51:36 <jaymax> So easy to let those get messy.
52:21 <Halcyon> I have a new rule in my house, either a thing has a home, or if there is no space left, something else must be discarded to make room.
53:10 <jaymax> Going 5S?
53:13 <Halcyon> In terms of storage for electronics and odds-and-ends (i.e.: Stuff that doesn't belong in the office, bedrooms, kitchen or bathrooms/laundry), I think I'm at about 85% capacity.
53:17 <Halcyon> 5S ?
53:21 <Ampera> honestly I think I might have a similar rule when I move out
53:30 <Ampera> currently I have inordinate amounts of things without places to be put
53:55 <Ampera> in my house it's either cataloged, organized, and stored properly, or it's not in my house
53:56 <jaymax> Part of the LEAN methodoology. Sort, Straighten, Shine, some others in a different order.
54:06 <Halcyon> Ampera: This has been my issue for a long time. Things just stuffed in "junk" drawers or "sort them out later" piles which never come.
54:21 <Ampera> jaymax, isn't the lean methodology just drinking as much codeine as possible?
54:23 <Halcyon> Even tiny little things like screws, either they get organised into tubs, or they get thrown
54:38 * electrohead beers Halcyon
54:41 <Ampera> I've resorted to using the floor in places
54:42 <Halcyon> Ampera: Agree completely.
54:52 * Halcyon wines electrohead 
55:02 <electrohead> no, I need caffeine, not booze, this morning :p
55:13 * Ampera gives electrohead an irish coffee
55:15 * Halcyon coffee beans electrohead 
55:46 <Halcyon> So yeh, I even went as far as organising a bucket of random screws, nuts, bolts etc...
56:23 <electrohead> Halcyon: come organize my bins in my closet
56:24 <electrohead> <3
56:31 <Halcyon> Oh gawd
56:38 <Halcyon> Dare I ask what the hell is in there?
56:46 <electrohead> Fucking everything >.<
57:04 <Halcyon> I actually had a good adventure tidying up. I found some interesting shit I forgot I had
57:21 <electrohead> That's the best part about organizing, heh
00:30 <Ampera> probably 50% of all the shit I have is cables
01:01 <Ampera> 10% power tools 20% computer parts 10% food (not having a kitchen is great guys)
01:12 <Ampera> (packaged food, not like eaten food all over the place)
02:25 <Halcyon> You just reminded me of a pile of SCSI cables I haven't put away/organised yet
02:27 <Halcyon> *sigh*
03:01 <Ampera> you've reminded me of something much worse
03:07 <Halcyon> Oh?
03:10 <Ampera> I haven't touched my PPro box since you sent me those drives for it q.q
03:15 <steve30> hi
03:18 <Ampera> I should probably put it together/hook it up at some point
03:27 <Halcyon> I wanna see it. I still lust after one
03:33 <Halcyon> Hey Steve :)
04:22 <Ampera> It's a neat, yet surprisingly basic system
04:32 <Ampera> The motherboard is a generic/stock intel board
04:56 <Halcyon> I loved those
05:02 <Halcyon> Like the 440BX
05:12 <Ampera> It's a VS440FX, but had an OEM (gateway 2000) BIOS on it
05:21 <Halcyon> Nice
05:22 <Ampera> as it turns out, stock intel BIOS flashes just fine
05:27 <Ampera> so "had" is accurate here
07:06 <Ampera> I also have an SE440BX-II, which has a P3-450 in it
07:17 <Halcyon> Same
07:21 <Ampera> one really neat machine I have, which I need to set up at some point, is a Compaq Proliant, which is Dual Slot 1
07:31 <Halcyon> I actually built that machine myself in the 90's
07:47 <Ampera> I forget what GPU it has
07:55 <Ampera> It's either a Voodoo 2, or a GeForce 2mx
07:57 <Halcyon> I think I have something similar too Ampera, I haven't powered it up yet
08:08 <Halcyon> It's a Dual slot 1, just not sure the spect
08:10 <Halcyon> specs
08:10 <Ampera> I have a RIVA TNT2, but sadly one of the AGP leafs fell off q.q
08:19 <Halcyon> :(
09:10 <Ampera> I have an All in wonder AGP, which together with my Socket A A-BIT board, would make a really cool legacy HTPC
11:51 <jaymax> All in wonder AGP ... thye 7200, 7500, or 8500?
12:02 <Ampera> something
12:07 <Ampera> it's in a drawer I'd have to dig through
12:26 * jaymax had the 7200
12:38 <Ampera> Only bummer is I don't have the AV breakout cable
12:46 <jaymax> But I stillhave the X10 remote bundle.
13:00 <Ampera> hehe
16:47 <jaymax> The unfortunate thing about that GPU is that it required at least a 333Mhz CPU for encoding MP4 at 320x240 (500MHz recommended) and systems that had an AGP slot rarely has a CPU that exceeds 500MHz.
17:14 <Ampera> idk, 1Ghz systems with AGP were quite common
17:17 <jaymax> So no comfortable transcoding 640x480 NTSC
17:30 <Ampera> later Athlon XP+, P3, and early P4 systems all had AGP
18:56 <jaymax> P3 IIRC topped off at 800Mhz and were rare in the way 486 DX4's were rare after the OG Pentium launch.
20:21 <jaymax> AMD did have better options, at different tradeoffs like finding the right thermal management - cooling ducts back then were utter garbage.
20:57 <Ampera> I'm of the impression that DX4's, especially AMD ones, were quite common
21:23 <Ampera> P3 Tulatins, which were cheaper and faster than P4 at launch, topped out at 1400mhz
21:36 <Ampera> *Tualatins
22:08 <jaymax> They were a late-run upgrade chip after Pentium came out. Like how Cyrix clock-double upgrade chips were a thing.
22:11 <Ampera> Athlon XP+ topped out at 2200Mhz
22:26 <Ampera> and you can't tell me that Athlon XP's were uncommon :P
22:29 <jaymax> Otherwise CPU had the same clock speed at the FSB.
23:10 <Ampera> It was a couple years at least post-P5 release (in 1993 mind you) that they became common
23:30 <Ampera> not until at least Socket 5 and the higher clocked chips, and when they had come down in price and increased in yields
23:51 <Ampera> There were a lot of 486's out in the wild too, and most of them easy to upgrade
24:22 <Ampera> there's probably a good dozen or so different chips that were intended to be DX4 or better for Sockets 1-3
33:05 * Ampera plinks a jaffa cake at Halcyon 
33:27 <jaymax> https://files.maxuel.compy.ca:5281/upload/H5-_JxIesW48RiHX/boKpX4B6SXaHDdd_XQ79uw.jpg
33:29 <jaymax> ^ all that and still a large gap between high-clocked CPUs. Between late pentium II's and PCIe P4's, as well as many many AMD rigs but big skip into Athlon64.
34:26 <Ampera> It's correlation that can't establish causation. Late P3 and most Socket A boards are notorious for shitting themselves and leaking caps
34:54 <Ampera> I have a good number of systems that are pretty evenly spaced
35:40 <Ampera> 486 DX4 -> P120 -> PPro 233 -> PMMX 233 -> P3 450 -> AXP ???? (I forgot its clock, probably 1600 or something) -> Athlon 64 X2 (sadly AM2 era, my 939 boards all died)
36:35 <josuah> jaymax: is that not a large collection of working PSU, ballscrew (CD readers) and whatnoet for hobby projects?
37:32 <jaymax> Working might be a generous word.
38:10 <jaymax> I know a guy with a warehouse who hoards free stuff
39:01 <jaymax> That warehouse had a roof collapse in 2015 - that photo was few years after that though.
39:31 <Ampera> I need a 286 and 386 some day
39:42 <Ampera> I have an 80c86 laptop actually, which will be an intense project
40:17 <Ysjoelfir> no idea what you were talking about before, but I read somewhere between the lines about vintage HTPCs. I have the right board for that idea, but I need to repair it
40:31 <Ysjoelfir> I should do that some day.... it would be such a nice project
40:43 <Ampera> hallo Ysjoelfir!
40:44 <Ampera> how are you?
41:05 <Ysjoelfir> Fine enough I guess. how about you?
41:15 <Ampera> guuud
41:17 <Ampera> https://youtube.com/watch?v=WKGuu6sZ9UE&list=OLAK5uy_kqNAYF33vdM7Nyu9QhOQFsQ0bCholxKmU
41:18 <EEVBot> [YouTube] ⁨Flames of Purgatory⁩ | 5m 10s | Channel: ⁨Bloodbound - Topic⁩ | 31,514 views | 2016-12-27 - 16:10:33UTC
41:19 <Ampera> have a listen to that
41:22 <Ampera> (if you can)
41:54 <Ysjoelfir> I can, the mini and micro missesses just left, so I need to listen to something to not fall asleep
42:02 <Ysjoelfir> also, I try to remember the name of that board I mentioned
42:12 <Ysjoelfir> it was an AOpen
42:18 <EEVBot> Temporary error talking to YouTube: The read operation timed out
43:21 <Ysjoelfir> AOpen Ax4B-533 Tube
43:23 <Ysjoelfir> that was it
43:25 <Ysjoelfir> IIRC
46:02 <Ampera> now Ysjoelfir when you've heard it, without checking, is that a male or female singer?
46:31 <Ysjoelfir> erm.... Thats a good question. if you say it like that I would say a female, but I would have guessed a male
46:41 <Ampera> haha
47:00 <Ampera> It's a similar vocal profile to elisa martin from dark moor, but I checked and I am fairly sure it's a guy
47:18 <Ampera> how it sounds almost changes depending on how I listen to it
47:31 <Ampera> it's a good voice though I think
47:46 <Ysjoelfir> definitely
48:10 <Ampera> sadly they're only on this one album for this group
48:15 <Ampera> I need to check out some of their other work though
48:55 <Ampera> I /think/ it's Kristian Andrèn, but haven't found much definitive besides them doing lead vocals for the band at the time of that album
49:17 <Ysjoelfir> oh, so they change through the artists?
49:34 <Ampera> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloodbound#Members
49:35 <EEVBot> [wikipedia] Bloodbound - Members | "Present Patrik Selleby – lead vocals Tomas Olsson – lead and rhythm guitars Fredrik Bergh – keyboards, backing vocals Henrik Olsson – rhythm guitars Anders Broman – bass Daniel Sjögren – drums Former Urban Breed – lead vocals Oskar Belin – drums, percussion Jörgen "Poe" Andersson – bass Markus Albertson – guitars Kristian Andrèn – lead vocals Michael Bormann – lead vocals Johan Sohlberg – […]"
49:45 <Ampera> whenever I try a new group, I check this, because I always try their second album first
51:46 <Ysjoelfir> don't you like debut albums?
51:59 <Ampera> If I like a group, I will tend to go see all of them.
52:07 <Ampera> A lot of groups are still learning how to make music on their first album
52:19 <Ampera> Their second album is when the debut ideas are still fresh, but after they've had time to figure things out
52:37 <Ampera> a lot of the groups I've seen are like that for some reason. Their first album is a bit rough, but the second one is excellent
53:52 <Ampera> Dark Moor, Derdian, Heavenly, Helloween, and debatably Sonata Arctica are all like that
54:18 * Halcyon hugs Ampera
54:29 * Ampera force feeds Halcyon an entire roll of jaffa cakes
54:35 <Ampera> my mom bought me real ones, which I haven't had in ages
54:48 <Halcyon> I'm not a fan
54:50 <Ampera> Jaffa cakes are easy to get here. McVities is nearly impossible
54:59 <Ampera> >:o
55:06 <Ampera> that is the wrong answer
55:13 <Halcyon> There is something about chocolate and orange generally I don't like
55:17 <Halcyon> But seperate, I love
55:23 <Ampera> :<
55:41 <Ampera> they do have ones that aren't orange
55:44 <Ampera> strawberry is common
55:59 <Ampera> well if you don't like them let me have them
56:01 <Halcyon> Oooh, I'll try those. I'l see if the shops have them next time I go
56:05 <Ampera> I can't get real ones here and I want more >:(
56:43 <Ampera> the quality of the sponge and the chocolate is the main difference. The ones around here tend to be quite dry and powdery for the sponge, and the chocolate is a lot cheaper
56:58 * steve30 pounces onto Ampera 
57:04 * Ampera pet-hugs steve30 <3
57:10 <Halcyon> The major supermarket doesn't look like it has them: https://www.woolworths.com.au/shop/search/products?searchTerm=mcvitie%27s
57:10 <EEVBot> [url] Woolworths Supermarket - Buy Groceries Online | www.woolworths.com.au
57:16 <Halcyon> But I know my local shops have the orange ones
57:52 <Ampera> Aldi, very strangely, tends to have them under their Deutsche Kuche brand
58:09 <Ampera> I'm not sure, but I don't think jaffa cakes are very german
58:20 <Ampera> hey Ysjoelfir, regale us with tales of the ultra-german jaffa cake industry there
58:23 <K> top keks!
58:30 <Ysjoelfir> that makes sense, Ampera. (the band album stuff)
58:47 <Ysjoelfir> eh wutt? let me read up what you were talking about
58:55 <Halcyon> They have the Irish ones though: https://www.woolworths.com.au/shop/productdetails/344599/jacobs-jaffa-cakes
58:57 <EEVBot> [url] Jacobs Jaffa Cakes 147g | Woolworths | www.woolworths.com.au
58:59 <Ampera> Aldi sells Jaffa Cakes and says they're german food here
59:35 <Ysjoelfir> aaaah. ok. so.
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