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00:17:49 Join: steve30 ([email protected]) to #EEVblog
00:17:49 Mode: (by ChanOP) +o steve30
00:18:00 <steve30> hi
00:20:27 * Ampera pets the steve30
00:20:33 <Ampera> How was the gym?
00:20:50 <steve30> ok, didn't do much as i was too tired
00:26:59 * steve30 is watching Friends
00:45:55 <steve30> hmm, in today's news: "Warning after Amazon customer sent dog food instead of iPhone"
00:46:17 <Ampera> Warning? As in don't try to call someone on a bag of dog food?
01:06:29 <K> i read that as "dong food"
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03:03:45 Set By: (ChanOP) on: Sat Jun 04 09:17:37 2022
03:51:54 * arch puts a dong in K's dog food
03:52:25 <K> what colour?
03:52:51 <Ampera> arch, there's an asian market in west hartford called a dong
03:53:05 <arch> https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-64304111
03:53:05 <EEVBot> [url] Martin Luther King's son defends controversial new headless statue - BBC News | www.bbc.com
03:53:16 <arch> look at this...definitely looks like a $10m sculpture
03:53:32 <arch> the level of corruption here is unimaginable
03:55:08 <arch> looks like someone holding up a big ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpiP_jN1Pv4
03:55:08 <EEVBot> [YouTube] Austin powers - it looks like a giant..... | 48s | Channel: Miki Pejic | 345,370 views | 2011-10-21 - 16:20:07UTC
03:56:07 <arch> the money launderers made bank on that sculpture
04:52:21 <jaymax> With that first picture, I ask "how does it make sense for one torso have three arms reaching the other (higher) torso?".
04:55:09 <jaymax> The next two make much more sense. If Boston is trying to waste money (I don't care anyway), well San Francisco is curbstomping them.
04:57:12 <jaymax> https://www.zerohedge.com/political/san-fran-city-panel-urges-reparations-5-million-black-adult
04:57:12 <jaymax> > Diversity isn't a strength of the reparations committee either: All 14 members are black. However, there's a vacant seat right now -- available only to "an individual who has lived or is currently living in public housing."
04:57:12 <jaymax> ... so all committee members are black and never experienced the hardship inherently tied to "the black experience."
04:57:12 <EEVBot> [url] San Fran City Panel Urges Reparations Of $5 Million Per Black Adult | ZeroHedge | www.zerohedge.com
05:02:58 <jaymax> Easiest path to a slave state is to give everyone five million bucks and then sit back with the popcorn. Even Dave Chapelle wasn't going to put that part in his skit.
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05:27:31 <Nothing\> ahoy ahoy
05:28:48 <Ampera> quick, nobody make a move, maybe he's like a T-Rex and will leave us alone if we don't do anything
05:32:13 <Nothing\> lol
05:32:14 <Nothing\> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RROOiU8bm08&ab_channel=GlobalNews
05:32:15 <EEVBot> [YouTube] Greta Thunberg detained by police during Germany coal mine protests | 1m 28s | Channel: Global News | 1,742 views | 2023-01-17 - 17:31:19UTC
05:37:29 <MrMobodies> Hello
05:37:44 <MrMobodies> Anyone good at chemistry
05:39:39 <Ampera> I am probably good at melting things with chemistry
05:41:01 <MrMobodies> I had this old cleaner from espares
05:41:25 <MrMobodies> it got rid of all the bubbles and scent when I used it and started a rinse
05:41:36 <MrMobodies> the ingredient it has was: Sulfamic acid
05:42:02 <MrMobodies> the order didn't come for some months now they arrived
05:42:10 <MrMobodies> and noticed it was changed
05:42:49 <MrMobodies> to "anionic surfactants" and "phosphonates"
05:42:59 <MrMobodies> so I am testing it now
05:44:06 <MrMobodies> it still says on the listing
05:44:08 <MrMobodies> https://scalexpic.espares.co.uk/bf09e6de-35f1-4d53-9c13-f19f205b3cef?maxwidth=1600&maxheight=1200
05:44:19 <MrMobodies> Sulfamic acid at the bottom
05:44:27 <MrMobodies> the listing picture
05:44:29 <MrMobodies> and also
05:47:03 <MrMobodies> https://www.espares.co.uk/answer/es1566874/107848/are-the-ingredients-natural-and-compatible-wi
05:47:04 <EEVBot> [url] Are the ingredients natural and compatible with a private septic tank? | eSpares | www.espares.co.uk
05:47:17 <MrMobodies> "The active ingredient in one sachet of cleaner is only 5 grammes of Sulphamic acid"
05:50:55 <Kuschelpony> yes?
05:53:49 <MrMobodies> found it
05:53:52 <MrMobodies> https://imgur.com/a/KYUSw3E
05:53:52 <EEVBot> [url] Change of ingredients in espares cleaner ES1566874 - Album on Imgur | imgur.com
05:55:12 <Kuschelpony> i mant, do you have specific questions that me or someone else might have answers?
05:55:37 <MrMobodies> I don't understand the difference other than they are both cleaners
05:55:43 <MrMobodies> what my concern is
05:55:48 <MrMobodies> is after the wash
05:55:54 <MrMobodies> will it leave crap behind
05:56:00 <MrMobodies> the previous one didnt
05:56:18 <MrMobodies> I mean the excessive bubbles and the scent that won't go away until many rinses
05:57:10 <MrMobodies> the washing up liquid used in the house is packed full of scent and perfume
05:57:27 <MrMobodies> and it leaches on until I rinse it about 8 times (4 minutes to fill drum)
05:57:35 <MrMobodies> or sometimes more than that
05:57:46 <MrMobodies> it is like a bubble bath in there
05:57:50 <MrMobodies> and itches my skin too
05:58:27 <MrMobodies> I am testing it now to see if it, removes the bubbles (used today for someone)
05:58:36 <MrMobodies> , does absolutely nothing
05:58:42 <MrMobodies> or causes bubbles
05:59:32 <MrMobodies> I am hoping it won't leave anything behind after it is finished and I rinsed it (2nd rinse)
06:01:21 <MrMobodies> just seen the video with Greta Thunberg
06:01:30 <MrMobodies> https://i.imgur.com/qHIk4o6.png
06:02:06 <Kuschelpony> hmm sorry thats not so much a generic chemistry thing, but a question to what exactly the maker has mixed to be this specific product and how the ingredients interact
06:02:14 <Kuschelpony> not my expertise
06:03:38 <MrMobodies> she seems to be enjoying herself being picked up and sofa'd along
06:03:52 <MrMobodies> I mean Greta Thunberg
06:05:19 <rust4> she also needs some acid
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06:18:54 <MrMobodies> Joke: that's why they carried her with care
06:19:10 <MrMobodies> with helmets and full body armour
06:19:45 <steve30> evening Nothing
06:19:46 <MrMobodies> it's a nice arrangement though, they protect them selves and carry her in a way that's nice
06:20:14 <MrMobodies> In England I see them dragging the protestors out of the way
06:22:43 <rust4> did they actually do anything, or were they just in the way?
06:23:35 <MrMobodies> they were in a field
06:24:33 <MrMobodies> aaah demolition site of an abandoned coal mine
06:28:07 <steve30> hmm, this monitor really needs its convergence adjusting
06:45:51 <Kuschelpony> as we talked about chemistry, this one even almost scares me
06:45:53 <Kuschelpony> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isopropyl_nitrate
06:45:54 <EEVBot> [wikipedia] Isopropyl nitrate | "Isopropyl nitrate (IPN, 2-propyl nitrate) is a colorless liquid monopropellant. It is used as a diesel cetane improver. IPN is a low-sensitivity explosive, with a detonation velocity of approximately 5400 m/s.Isopropyl nitrate is extremely flammable and burns with a practically invisible flame. This presents unique hazards in its handling. The flame is significantly less luminous than hydrogen or methanol flame and is […]"
06:46:25 <Kuschelpony> when a hydrogen flame is already invisible at normal light level
06:47:59 <rust4> sounds fun
07:21:40 <MrMobodies> so no one will know it is there
07:22:01 <MrMobodies> the isoproyl nitrate
07:22:10 <MrMobodies> and can be accidentally set alight
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07:34:56 <Ampera> https://nypost.com/2023/01/17/japanese-woman-chokes-to-death-on-food-while-on-death-row/
07:34:57 <EEVBot> [url] Miyuki Ueta chokes to death on food on death row in Japan | nypost.com
07:35:06 <Ampera> mission failed successfully
07:39:16 <MrMobodies> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_in_Japan#:~:text=Capital punishment is a legal,as kidnapping resulting in death.
07:39:16 <EEVBot> MrMobodies: Error fetching section ":~:text=Capital" for page "Capital punishment in Japan".
07:39:32 <MrMobodies> "The method of hanging is the long drop, "
07:41:06 <MrMobodies> oh they do other methods too
07:41:07 <MrMobodies> https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/executions/methods-of-execution
07:41:07 <EEVBot> [url] Methods of Execution | Death Penalty Information Center | deathpenaltyinfo.org
07:41:21 <MrMobodies> oh sorry that's America
07:44:51 <MrMobodies> Just finished the first rinse (bubble bath)
07:44:53 <MrMobodies> second rinse
07:44:55 <MrMobodies> https://i.imgur.com/9OYbses.mp4
07:45:00 <MrMobodies> very disappointed
07:45:19 <MrMobodies> my dad got the previous ones in October last year
07:45:26 <MrMobodies> so it looks like a recent change
07:45:32 <MrMobodies> in ingredients
07:45:56 <MrMobodies> the other didn't have much bubbles at all after the first rinse
07:47:22 <MrMobodies> I was about to send them back citing change in product not matching page but I think I did the right thing and gave it a chance
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09:13:09 <arch> T3sl4, do you have a general via drill size you use for power supply capacitor decoupling down to the ground plane?
09:13:31 <T3sl4> wha
09:13:46 <Ampera> T3sl4, I think he's proposing marriage
09:13:58 * T3sl4 drills Ampera with a #57
09:14:01 <rust4> that is what it sounds like
09:14:10 <arch> lol
09:15:13 <arch> like, should i use 0.6mm vias, or 0.8mm vias, for via stiching capacitor pads down to gnd: https://www.eevblog.com/forum/beginners/use-extra-via-stitching-by-bypass-capacitors/msg452289/#msg452289
09:15:14 <EEVBot> [url] Use extra via-stitching by bypass capacitors? - Page 1 | www.eevblog.com
09:15:40 <rust4> yes
09:16:45 <arch> naruhodo
09:16:50 * arch strokes imaginary beard
09:16:54 <T3sl4> i just use whatever default is for the design
09:17:12 <T3sl4> multiple 0.3mm is a bit better than one 0.5
09:17:18 <T3sl4> that's finished id, not drill
09:17:42 <arch> alright. i'll stick with the kicad default size, which are 0.8mm diameter, but hole size is 0.4mm
09:18:00 <T3sl4> od is even less meaningful lol
09:18:16 <arch> oh. that must be a kicad specific thing then
09:18:23 <arch> sorry im not a millionaire to buy Altium
09:19:30 <arch> i think the outer diameter setting is just for the sake of keepout areas overlapping near...other vias maybe
09:19:35 <rust4> learn chinese or russian in stead of pingpong, and you can find very cheap altiums
09:19:45 <arch> !fart rust4
09:19:45 * EEVBot unleashes the demons upon rust4
09:22:12 <arch> actually, the outer diameter setting says what the minimum size of the copper "ring" will be that is visible, like here: https://i.imgur.com/JRjYCgp.png
09:24:19 <rust4> oooh you touch my #57 tralala
09:25:40 * T3sl4 drills rust4
09:25:59 <T3sl4> with luxurious carbide, no less
09:26:02 * rust4 does not notice
09:26:07 <arch> T3sl4, i make dis (almost done): https://i.imgur.com/FJJm67B.png
09:26:52 <T3sl4> they must love you
09:27:08 <arch> lol, why, cuz im killing their carbide tips?
09:27:22 <arch> ima get blacklisted from a fabhouse lol
09:27:25 <T3sl4> definitely don't need quite so many vias, but mostly i joke
09:27:44 <T3sl4> supposedly they frown on it if you make your own protoboards i.e. hundreds of hundreds of holes in a grid just wasting space
09:28:25 <arch> umm, well, i wanted to err on the side of caution, since that's going into a Dell 930W (12V, 77.5A PSU): https://i.imgur.com/PJKRCRK.png
09:28:29 * electrohead blacklists arch, beers T3sl4, and spools rust4
09:28:42 * T3sl4 buffers electrohead
09:28:50 * electrohead refuses to load
09:29:45 <arch> hopefully 2oz copper is enough. not sure if i should unmask part of the bottom layer so i can add solder lines for less resistance
09:29:58 <T3sl4> you're doing how many amps between how many connectors?
09:30:12 <arch> 8x EPS12V connectors
09:30:23 <arch> like those bitcoin mining rig connectors
09:30:51 <arch> like here: https://www.parallelminer.com/product/dell-750w-1100w-2000w-platinum-rated-94-efficiency-gpu-mining-power-supply-kit/
09:30:51 <EEVBot> [url] Dell 750w 1100w 1850w 2000w Platinum Rated Power Supply Kit | www.parallelminer.com
09:31:02 <arch> except they don't have one for the PSU model i have
09:31:07 <arch> or i would just pay the $40
09:31:57 <arch> suppose full load, 77.5A
09:32:07 <arch> i need a bigass load tester to test it out
09:32:16 * arch adds to a todo list that is far too big for its own good
09:32:44 <rust4> how long do you need it loaded, to do a good test?
09:33:00 <T3sl4> arch: actually, the outer diameter setting says what the minimum size of the copper "ring" will be that is visible, like here: https://i.imgur.com/JRjYCgp.png <-- annular ring depends on drilling tolerance, usually 5 mils minimum
09:33:05 <arch> i would assume the pcb should reach equilibrium within the hour?
09:34:10 <T3sl4> 10 min should be enough?
09:34:12 <arch> 77.5A^2 times 1 milliohm is 6W power dissipation. that board is 6cm by 7cm
09:34:13 <rust4> how about just running the 77.4933A thru it, and torch the rest for 5 seconds
09:34:33 <arch> i wonder if the resistance would be more or less than 1 milli ohm
09:34:41 <T3sl4> last thing i put 80A through at 4 layers (2+2 stitched) it got rather hot (60C), i would recommend more
09:34:44 <arch> for that bigass ground pour, and bigass 12v pour
09:35:10 <T3sl4> i don't have a clue how 6 symmetrical large connectors and 9? smaller ones are going to be distributed, but the worst case doesn't sound good
09:35:13 <arch> o damn, that doesn't sound fun
09:35:41 <arch> what copper thickness? 2oz?
09:36:03 <T3sl4> yes
09:37:27 <arch> i noticed while disassembling an old atx psu that they used large amounts of solder on unmasked areas. that psu was only rated ~40A or so though
09:38:34 <rust4> best way to get rid of the old lead solder, that they have laying around
09:38:44 <arch> lol
09:39:12 <arch> im kind of tempted to stop working on this. or maybe i should yolo it. what's the worst that could happen? house fire? pssh
09:39:15 <T3sl4> they prefer 1-2oz single layer and short distances between components too
09:39:29 <T3sl4> the fan is an integral part of the PCB ampacity
09:39:36 <arch> that too
09:39:47 <arch> AHH, that gives me an idea
09:39:54 <rust4> I wonder how one of the old car battery testers would work, to test stuff like that.
09:39:55 <arch> this PCB actually is directly situated next to the exhaust fan
09:40:06 <rust4> it is just a resistor, I guess
09:40:20 <arch> so if i lengthen the board somewhat, even a small amount of airflow over it should cool it down
09:40:36 <T3sl4> rust4: you'd still need the car battery, they only test load, but yeah if you wired it up together you could measure the voltage drops / temp rise at least for short duration tests
09:41:52 <arch> alright, i will continue with the board. i've come too far to give up now and i'm too curious to see how it performs
09:42:59 <rust4> T3sl4 yea, I guess it can if nothing else be a cheap source of a resistor that can take some power.
09:43:00 <arch> that reminds me: i need to buy a flir thermal cam
09:43:30 <T3sl4> don't get a TG275
09:44:06 * arch notes down not to get the TG275, which costs a whopping 1k
09:44:06 <rust4> just use thermal paper, and you will see where it gets hot, lol
09:44:14 <arch> or just lick it
09:44:45 <T3sl4> the Uni-T cams look promising tho
09:44:46 <rust4> i guess that might be your thing
09:44:53 <T3sl4> i figured that one would be out anyway given the price :^)
09:45:15 <arch> or be like Mehdi and feel it over your lips: https://youtu.be/06btgjAV3Hk?t=46
09:45:16 <EEVBot> [YouTube] Making an Audio Power Amplifier (Drive a Sub Woofer) | 3m 33s | Channel: ElectroBOOM | 1,533,721 views | 2013-05-31 - 16:46:06UTC
09:45:45 <rust4> hmm, I think chunky clive was talking about his new thermal camera thing, that was some chinese thing, last week.
09:46:19 <rust4> be like mehdi, and remove nose hair with flames
09:48:31 <arch> T3sl4, which thermal cam do you recommend then?
09:49:06 <T3sl4> i don't have any uni-t's but they look generally useful
09:49:06 <rust4> one paid for by the government, and "lost"
09:49:20 <T3sl4> rust4: government cheese is always good
09:49:41 <arch> i am actually not a fan of UNI-T anymore. of the two multimeters i bought, one had the firmware freak the hell out; the other one doesn't register button presses unless you use hulk strength
09:50:39 <T3sl4> shrug
09:50:52 <T3sl4> their meters seem potluck, to me
09:50:57 <T3sl4> but i haven't used any
09:51:08 <rust4> I have had better luck with uni trend than aneng and that stuff, zotek and so on
09:52:12 <rust4> but the brick shaped cheap "830" ones are bestest.
09:53:32 <rust4> https://youtu.be/Mi4-5NqMJXU?t=940
09:53:33 <EEVBot> [YouTube] Big Clive Live - The Frosty Beverage Stream | 2h 27m | Channel: BigCliveLive | 6,272 views | 2023-01-14 - 23:56:20UTC
09:53:55 <rust4> 200 pounds. it is not super cheap, but not 1000
09:58:32 <rust4> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMQeXq1ujn0
09:58:32 <EEVBot> [YouTube] Infiray P2 Pro smartphone thermal camera review & teardown | 23m 22s | Channel: mikeselectricstuff | 67,814 views | 2022-11-27 - 22:36:22UTC
09:58:40 <rust4> that is supposed to be the same thing.
10:00:35 <rust4> butt, good night
10:44:59 <MrMobodies> Just saw this video
10:48:08 <MrMobodies> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04nX4foWCPs
10:48:09 <EEVBot> [YouTube] Union chief Fran Heathcote explains why even civil servants are balloting to strike | 5m 43s | Channel: PoliticsJOE | 4,443 views | 2023-01-17 - 13:39:28UTC
10:48:21 <MrMobodies> Apparently when unions call for strike
10:48:47 <MrMobodies> as I was reading today, if they go on strike they get sacked under the new law defeating what strikes are for
10:49:11 <MrMobodies> if it becomes law there is a possibility that everyone could go on strike for it
10:49:24 <MrMobodies> not looking good
10:50:24 <MrMobodies> Dwp worker saying about the situation and I thought they were paid okay
10:50:39 <MrMobodies> but apparently not
11:06:33 <jaymax> Evening tacos
11:06:54 <MrMobodies> hello
11:07:12 <MrMobodies> My minipc is all up and running
11:07:26 <jaymax> Mine should arrive tomorrow.
11:07:48 <MrMobodies> it's an old used M93p I picked up on ebay
11:07:52 <MrMobodies> for £60
11:08:01 <MrMobodies> I got an 1TB sandisk X300 and 16gb ram
11:08:10 <MrMobodies> unfortunately the Unrealtournament game seems to lag being the virtual machine
11:08:20 <MrMobodies> but runs flawlessly outside
11:08:59 <MrMobodies> surprisingly the browser still shows games
11:09:09 <MrMobodies> I thought that'd come to an end
11:09:17 <MrMobodies> the game browser
11:09:38 <jaymax> Mine's a HP ElitePico-or-whatever G2 8GB RAM ... i5-6500 ias going to make it the most modern CPU in the house, and it's going to be my spare router.
11:09:44 <Halcyon> Morning beans
11:09:57 <jaymax> https://files.maxuel.compy.ca:5281/upload/dUdPU-4hOreo6Lh_/0TpC1DvzQ4SZ4mNQ5bxmqQ.jpg
11:10:06 * jaymax offers Halycon some breakfast pie.
11:10:23 <Halcyon> Oooh
11:10:29 <jaymax> MrMododies too
11:10:30 <MrMobodies> oh yes going to be more efficientin power
11:10:44 <Halcyon> What's in it?
11:11:14 <jaymax> Apple. Had a couple dozen cortlands that needed to get used fast.
11:11:34 <Halcyon> Ah I ee
11:11:36 <Halcyon> see
11:12:11 <jaymax> Two more pies (smaller, foil-plate pan) are chilling in the freezer, unbaked.
11:13:01 <MrMobodies> that's handy the HP G2 minipc has a card reade
11:13:03 <MrMobodies> https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/RWsAAOSwDIhjt~zz/s-l500.jpg
11:13:05 <MrMobodies> mine hasn't
11:13:16 <MrMobodies> microsd
11:13:39 <MrMobodies> ooh 2 display ports
11:14:13 <MrMobodies> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/115580712935
11:14:15 <EEVBot> [url] PC Computer HP EliteDesk 800 G2 DM MiniPC Intel i5-6500T 8GB RAM 256GB SSD, G | eBay | www.ebay.co.uk
11:14:16 <jaymax> If only it had more NICs but I got those USB dongles.
11:14:39 <MrMobodies> maximum memory 64gb
11:14:58 <jaymax> Yeah one the first DDR4 boards.
11:14:58 <MrMobodies> mine only has the max of 16gb
11:15:04 <jaymax> Probably DDR3
11:15:16 <jaymax> M93 sounds DDR3-gen
11:15:36 * jaymax used/loved the M92's
11:15:39 <MrMobodies> yes it is released in 2013
11:15:54 <MrMobodies> but that HP has 4 threads
11:16:09 <MrMobodies> oops *4 cores
11:16:34 <MrMobodies> the m93p i5 only has 2 cores 4 threads and for a slowly clock rate 4 cores
11:17:01 <MrMobodies> looks very attractive I might get one of those to replce the acer in my cupboard
11:17:08 <jaymax> Laptop CPU
11:17:08 <MrMobodies> that was a n281g
11:17:35 <MrMobodies> mp39 Intel Core i5-4570T 2.90GHz
11:17:50 <MrMobodies> the Acer has a single core 2 thread
11:17:55 <MrMobodies> there are two in the cupboard
11:18:01 <MrMobodies> one has a dude snmp server
11:18:09 <MrMobodies> does the DSLSTATS recording
11:18:18 <MrMobodies> the other does the phone recorder to record phone calls
11:18:33 <MrMobodies> it has an analogue thing in the middle
11:18:46 <MrMobodies> to catch people out when they lie to me
11:18:58 <jaymax> https://files.maxuel.compy.ca:5281/upload/J0nZI5uj4p_BxiA3/2023-01-17_20-18.png
11:18:58 <MrMobodies> not family of friends just for things like my own ISP
11:19:34 <MrMobodies> what a bargain
11:20:13 <MrMobodies> I have one M93P for the solar panel inverter just to do that
11:20:18 <jaymax> Yes. Everything else in that range didn't include the power adapter, or worse.
11:20:27 <MrMobodies> and this one to run a few services and a website
11:20:32 <MrMobodies> aaah
11:20:52 <MrMobodies> but still a baragin compared to double
11:21:11 <MrMobodies> oh by the way this one did not come with any loose screws
11:21:22 <MrMobodies> inside
11:21:37 <MrMobodies> that's a joke to the seller who banned me
11:21:44 <MrMobodies> and made me upset
11:21:50 <jaymax> Someone on a Jabber chat found the listing for me, and then I took an hour trying to beat it. I obv didn't succeed.
11:22:04 <jaymax> They only took 5mins to grab a link.
11:22:19 <MrMobodies> interesting how some people know where to get stuff
11:22:28 <MrMobodies> years ago I had a few sellers i use to buy off
11:22:29 <MrMobodies> very cheap
11:22:36 <MrMobodies> One of them was called Specola
11:22:41 <MrMobodies> and the other computersinleeds
11:22:53 <MrMobodies> at certain times of the year they would sell job lots of switches
11:23:01 <MrMobodies> gigabit switches for £50 or so
11:23:19 <MrMobodies> I once brought for £20 8 GS108 managed switches in 2018
11:23:40 <MrMobodies> that's what I like about ebay
11:23:48 <jaymax> It was a privacy-related chat, so maybe he had it on watch because it had the same crypto instructions I needed.
11:24:01 <MrMobodies> of course i test the switches but I never trust the power supplies that come with them, I bin those
11:24:06 <MrMobodies> aaaah
11:24:24 <MrMobodies> into crypto trading
11:24:28 <jaymax> No
11:24:39 <jaymax> SSE2 and such.
11:25:17 <jaymax> To run OpenVPN and/or Wireguard with minimal CPU overhead.
11:25:55 <MrMobodies> aah offloading
11:26:37 <jaymax> pfSense prefers not want to run on HW without SSE2
11:27:27 <MrMobodies> Pentium 3 out
11:28:11 <jaymax> Sorry not SSE2, AES-NI. QAT is another, but optional.
11:28:17 <MrMobodies> oh
11:28:29 <MrMobodies> the last time i ran it on a pentium 3 was in 2009
11:28:43 <MrMobodies> and that lasted till 2014 when the flash drive failed
11:29:01 <jaymax> My current router: Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU E3845 @ 1.91GHz /w AES-CBC,AES-CCM,AES-GCM,AES-ICM,AES-XTS
11:29:04 <MrMobodies> the flash drive was an ide thing 128mb in size I pulled out of a serverboard many years before that
11:29:12 <MrMobodies> nice
11:29:20 <jaymax> and AES-NI but not QAT
11:29:45 <MrMobodies> in 2021 Christmas I had to reduce power
11:30:00 <MrMobodies> so took out the Xeon quad core low power
11:30:20 <MrMobodies> I was given a Dell board i5 2400
11:30:33 <MrMobodies> with 4 threads that I am now using
11:30:42 <MrMobodies> the power supply kept on failing. it was in a small case
11:30:51 <MrMobodies> so I put it in large case with a better power supply
11:31:04 <MrMobodies> and brought a few Intel i350 nics
11:31:11 <MrMobodies> 1 Silicom brand 6 port
11:31:18 <MrMobodies> and 3 dual ports
11:31:21 <MrMobodies> to make 12
11:31:34 <MrMobodies> 1 switch for house (2 lag)
11:31:47 <MrMobodies> 1 switch for workshop (2 lag) (off at the moment)
11:32:09 <MrMobodies> 1 switch for lan sharing (printers and nas)
11:32:18 <MrMobodies> of that 2 lag too
11:32:31 <MrMobodies> and one for management of the switches
11:32:52 <MrMobodies> they are all cheap netgear smart switches I picked up cheaply
11:33:29 <MrMobodies> I had to remove the 48 ports (30w standing power) and replaced them with the 24 ports (7.5 to 10w standing)
11:34:10 <MrMobodies> if the energy prices go down then I can pretty much go back to normal with the large switches
11:34:25 <MrMobodies> and connect more... ahh by that time, 10gb stuff will be cheap
11:56:02 * jaymax bought a 24-port 1Gbps switch later-2019
11:56:14 <jaymax> Seemed overpriced
11:56:30 <jaymax> ...even for refurbished.
11:57:14 <jaymax> I don't think I'll ever be satisfied when I'm told 10Gpbs is "cheap" now.
12:01:14 <jaymax> For standardized comparison sake, the 24port Level-II TP-Link gigabit switch cost me 13 gallons of milk. It should cost 9 gallons, no more than 10 gallons of milk.
12:06:13 <MrMobodies> pretty cheap now
12:06:28 <MrMobodies> I got my first gigabit switch in December 2005
12:06:32 <MrMobodies> for about £250
12:06:47 <MrMobodies> Netgear GS724v2
12:07:05 <MrMobodies> still got it the only problem with them
12:07:10 <MrMobodies> noisy fan
12:07:11 <jaymax> £250? You could have bought a decent used car at that price point.
12:07:20 <MrMobodies> that was in 2005
12:07:33 <jaymax> Yes, 2005 pounds.
12:07:35 <MrMobodies> things were expensive were I am
12:07:53 <MrMobodies> ooh in 2002 £60 for a FS108T ethernet switch
12:08:09 <MrMobodies> but that Netgear switch last me until I pulled it out in 2016
12:08:19 <MrMobodies> well I found it was inefficient
12:08:27 <MrMobodies> 50w standing
12:08:34 <MrMobodies> plug things into it still 50w
12:08:35 <jaymax> 2005 £250 would be about £800-900 now right?
12:08:47 <MrMobodies> you from England?
12:08:58 <MrMobodies> hmmm not exactly for those things
12:08:59 <jaymax> In purchaing power that is?
12:09:03 <jaymax> AI'm not.
12:09:25 <MrMobodies> I think things are just overpriced in the UK
12:09:38 <MrMobodies> something things depreciate in value more than others
12:09:48 <jaymax> That's why I'm asking UK, than and now.
12:09:49 <MrMobodies> and sometimes I get bargains especially on ebay
12:10:04 <MrMobodies> I don't know the value of what that would be
12:10:21 <MrMobodies> I know to get others were like £5 to £800
12:10:22 <jaymax> If you remember the cost of milk back then, for instance.
12:10:37 <MrMobodies> cost of milk 1l about a £1
12:10:45 <MrMobodies> in 2020, still a £1
12:10:49 <MrMobodies> but prices have gone up
12:10:58 <MrMobodies> so across the road 1l bottle is now £1.69
12:11:08 <MrMobodies> as from early last year
12:11:18 <MrMobodies> some things still stay the same
12:11:27 <MrMobodies> I am not an expert in economy
12:11:59 <MrMobodies> I wanted a fast gigabit switch, I got that one, and gave me no problems apart from the fan and takes some power
12:12:31 <MrMobodies> but many were like double the price from other manufactuters at the time making that the cheapest i could find
12:12:39 <MrMobodies> I think it was a place called morecomputers
12:12:52 <MrMobodies> and that includes VAT too
12:13:28 <MrMobodies> 17.5% vat is about £40
12:14:09 <MrMobodies> and i don't mind spending on things that have given me no trouble
12:14:26 <MrMobodies> it lasted quite well
12:14:51 <MrMobodies> the v3 v4 uses only about 7.5w to 10w standing
12:15:11 <MrMobodies> much better than 50w (regardless of what is connected to it and powered up)
12:15:46 <MrMobodies> I have still got it somewhere maybe I'll take it out and run some tests on thre power it takes
12:16:14 <MrMobodies> but yes things have gone up in the UK due to the economy
12:16:24 <jaymax> Ahh okay. For me, 2007 (pre-GFC) 2L milk was $3.99 here, dipped back to $3.49 a year later - it's now $4.45.
12:17:36 <MrMobodies> wow that's a lot for milk
12:17:52 <jaymax> Not for dollars
12:18:28 <MrMobodies> actually they have gone up
12:18:29 <MrMobodies> https://www.sainsburys.co.uk/gol-ui/product/sainsburys-british-whole-milk-so-organic-227l-4-pint-
12:18:30 <EEVBot> [url] ERROR: The request could not be satisfied | www.sainsburys.co.uk
12:18:35 <MrMobodies> £2.15
12:18:37 <jaymax> May still need 160 Canadian dollars for one UK Pound
12:18:43 <MrMobodies> 95p a litre
12:18:50 <jaymax> May still need 160 Canadian dollars for one hunder UK Pounds*
12:19:01 <jaymax> Hundred.
12:19:03 <jaymax> lol
12:19:18 <jaymax> 1.6:1
12:19:37 <MrMobodies> so that 95p 1l = 0.21 gallons
12:19:50 <MrMobodies> apparently the value of the pound has dropped
12:20:00 <MrMobodies> since Truss came and went
12:20:08 <MrMobodies> as Prime Minister
12:20:16 <jaymax> Yes
12:21:07 <jaymax> Well, mostly because of fixing the pensions from blowing up because of the gilt market crash, that same week.
12:21:14 <MrMobodies> https://www.tesco.com/groceries/en-GB/products/252208041
12:21:24 <MrMobodies> Skimmed milk from Terrible tesco £1.30
12:21:31 <MrMobodies> oh yes
12:21:42 <MrMobodies> they were frightened of that
12:21:51 <MrMobodies> there is even a video from PoliticsJoe
12:22:03 <MrMobodies> Micheal Jackson Thriller Tory mix
12:22:32 <MrMobodies> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VecedRF-3Vw
12:22:33 <EEVBot> [YouTube] Thriller (Tory Remix) - Jacob Rees-Mogg x Michael Jackson | 1m 39s | Channel: PoliticsJOE | 105,454 views | 2022-10-31 - 12:02:10UTC
12:22:42 <jaymax> Between that and a dead queen, the low confidence of Truss' mini-budget doomed her entirely.
12:23:27 <jaymax> QEII dying that same Week Truss came to power was a bad omen.
12:23:57 <MrMobodies> the way she said in Parliment "I am a fighter" and spread her arm
12:24:06 <MrMobodies> reminds me of the Seagulls in Spalding
12:24:30 <MrMobodies> where they fly around the car park trying to defend their domain
12:55:25 <arch> hehe. "wiener d" power supplies: https://www.wiener-d.com/product/vpx340-high-efficiency-medium-power-vita-62-vpx-power-supply/
12:55:25 <EEVBot> [url] VPX340 - High Efficiency / Medium Power - VITA 62 VPX Power Supply | W-IE-NE-R | www.wiener-d.com
12:55:34 <arch> who came up with the company name
12:56:06 * arch sticks a wiener d power supply into T3sl4's mainframe
12:57:03 <jaymax> CEO must have watched one of Big Clive cooking videos.
12:58:14 <arch> one mmmoment puhleez
12:58:50 <jaymax> !engineersay
12:58:50 <EEVBot> Understands heat transfers, still burns popcorn.
12:59:25 <jaymax> !engineersay
12:59:25 <EEVBot> What happens when electrons lose their energy? They get Bohr’ed.
14:52:06 <arch> !T3sl4say
14:52:16 <arch> "buh"
15:18:47 <Halcyon> !dadjoke
15:18:50 <Halcyon> Stupid
15:18:51 <Halcyon> :P
15:53:57 <arch> !weebsay
15:54:07 <arch> "omae wa mou shindeiru... *laserbeam noises*"
15:54:21 <MrMobodies> !weeklings
15:54:31 <MrMobodies> oh
15:54:47 <MrMobodies> I forgot how to make the bot say something
17:05:54 <steve30> hi
17:11:54 <MrMobodies> the situation seems to be escalating in Britain
17:11:58 <MrMobodies> with the strinkes
17:12:26 <MrMobodies> https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11646867/Post-Office-staff-join-Royal-Mail-colleagues-going-strike-pay-dispute.html
17:12:26 <EEVBot> [url] Post Office staff may join Royal Mail colleagues in going on strike over pay dispute | Daily Mail Online | www.dailymail.co.uk
17:12:51 <MrMobodies> Postal service on strike
17:12:58 <MrMobodies> Nurses on strike
17:13:19 <MrMobodies> University lectures (70,000) going on strike
17:13:52 <MrMobodies> teachers on strike again (virtual teaching as a contigency)
17:14:32 <MrMobodies> https://e3.365dm.com/23/01/1600x900/skynews-strikes-january_6027370.png?20230117205004
17:14:47 <MrMobodies> DWP on strike
17:14:56 <MrMobodies> Borderforce on strike
17:15:15 <MrMobodies> I never knew the Environmental Agency were going on strike as well
17:15:54 <MrMobodies> oh and the buses too
17:16:26 <MrMobodies> and there was a protest about the anti strike law last night
17:16:58 <MrMobodies> https://metro.co.uk/2023/01/17/thousands-protest-outside-number-10-against-controversial-anti-strikes-laws-18112793/
17:16:59 <EEVBot> [url] Thousands descend on Downing Street to protest anti-strike laws | Metro News | metro.co.uk
17:17:14 <MrMobodies> It seems like a lot of chaos happening at the same time
17:17:39 <MrMobodies> oh and the train drivers
17:36:02 <steve30> I'm popping up to Sheffield later to see if any striking nurses would like to do interviews
17:36:38 <electrohead> steve30: just don't strike them back, you'll go to jail lol
17:38:17 <steve30> Normally you'd be OK striking someone outside a hospital, but if the nurses are on strike, there'd be no one to help
17:38:50 <steve30> Funnily enough, what I consider to be one of the counties most dangerous roads, is right outside the A&E department
17:52:12 <Ampera> good morning
17:52:36 <Ampera> if I was driving somewhere, this would be the ideal wake up point
17:59:24 <K> hello abacuses
18:08:10 * electrohead potats Ampera with K
18:09:45 * Ampera puts electrohead to sleep
18:11:52 <electrohead> Yeah I'm headed there in like, 5 minutes
18:12:01 <electrohead> I passed out mad early, fuckered me up a bit
18:16:16 <K> totes bonkers
18:39:50 * steve30 has put fish and chips in the oven
18:44:50 <Halcyon> Hey all
18:46:03 * Halcyon just came back from a massage
18:48:10 <steve30> and you didnt invite me?
18:48:53 <Halcyon> You'd take too long to get here.
18:49:10 <steve30> aww :(
18:56:52 <Halcyon> Hey T3sl4, NiCd batteries.... If they are registering fuck all volts, I assume there is no point trying to charge/repair them as the undervoltage would have fucked them like other chemistries?
19:04:29 * steve30 needs a back massage
19:04:54 * Halcyon lubes steve30 up
19:06:15 <steve30> mmm
19:12:58 <steve30> https://youtu.be/HXP8IVUVJbg?t=601
19:12:59 <EEVBot> [YouTube] What else is an M.2 WiFi slot good for? | 10m 24s | Channel: Peter Brockie | 916 views | 2023-01-18 - 01:45:01UTC
19:23:07 <steve30> Youtube keeps recommending "shorts" of guys with abs etc
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19:31:14 <watcher> eevbot !hug
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19:31:27 <watcher> eevblog !help
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19:32:28 <steve30> brb
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20:20:51 <steve30> I've finally upgraded from the version I downloaded back in 2020
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20:58:56 * Halcyon cuddles Ampera
21:33:46 Quit: steve30 ([email protected]) Quit: <Baljem> steve30: by the way, I had the most bizarre dream the other day that someone came in here and seriously flipped their shit over your quit message and why aren't the ops /doing/ something about it
22:47:17 <Halcyon> Oh I FINALLY got that bit of popcorn "skin" that's been stuck between my tooth and gum for like 3 days.
22:47:31 <Halcyon> It was really lodged up there
22:50:39 <electrohead> !twss
22:50:40 <EEVBot> That's what she said!
22:50:48 <electrohead> lol
23:02:30 <Halcyon> Bahaha
23:02:32 <Halcyon> You loon
23:05:00 <Halcyon> Oh gawd, only the big stories here. A Qantas aircraft squawking code 7700 (emergency) make national news today because it had to land at Sydney airport on 1 engine.
23:05:07 <Halcyon> Fucking stop the presses
23:06:09 <electrohead> Heh
23:06:26 <Halcyon> It was like the most normal landing ever because, well, those planes are designed to fly on 1 engine.
23:06:33 <electrohead> What type of aircraft?
23:06:34 <Halcyon> But the media is going spastic
23:07:42 <Halcyon> Boeing 737-838
23:08:20 <Halcyon> Rego VH-XZB, been in service for 10 years
23:09:50 * Ampera hugs Halcyon
23:09:55 <Halcyon> Heyyy Ampera :)
23:09:55 <Ampera> good morning (mk. 2)
23:10:03 <Ampera> how are you doing Hal?
23:10:04 <Halcyon> Got tea now?
23:10:05 <electrohead> Ahh, 737's are nice
23:10:11 <Ampera> I have tea and just turned up at the office
23:10:20 <Ampera> they're keeping me an hour longer so I showed up an hour later :)
23:10:22 <Halcyon> Yeh doing OK. Got a massage today, followed by a walk which turned into getting absolutely drenched in a storm
23:10:40 <Ampera> I almost slipped and ate shit on the back porch stairs out the door :)
23:10:41 <Ampera> icy
23:10:52 <Halcyon> Gotta watch it
23:10:53 <electrohead> What kind of shit?
23:10:55 <Ampera> wet ice too
23:10:58 <Halcyon> Especially when shit is around
23:11:03 <Ampera> electrohead, humble turds
23:11:07 <electrohead> <3
23:11:09 <electrohead> lol
23:11:37 <Ampera> currently debating which music player device I want to use today
23:11:44 <Halcyon> Oh and Ampera, I was just saying I got the bit of popcorn that's been stuck in my gum for days
23:11:45 <Ampera> I think I may start with my iPod and then listen to new stuff on my phone or thiknpad
23:11:55 <Halcyon> The relief was instant
23:12:03 <Ampera> why didn't you get it out before?
23:12:32 <electrohead> I'm thinking about getting a MP3 player that known supported by rockbox
23:12:35 <Halcyon> I tried, but I couldn't get to it properly. It was that hard skin part and it just so happened to wedge in perfectly below the gum line
23:12:38 <Ampera> electrohead, get an iPod
23:12:39 <Halcyon> Asshole popcorn
23:12:44 <Ampera> https://eoe.works
23:12:45 <EEVBot> [url] Elite Obsolete Electronics | eoe.works
23:12:52 <Ampera> you can sync an iPod on Linux too
23:13:06 <electrohead> I'll pass on the iPod; I do want a built in microphone and RM radio
23:13:07 <Ampera> just watch out you get 4th gen or up if you intend to charge via USB. 3rd gens need firewire all the way
23:13:12 <Ampera> :/
23:13:19 <Halcyon> RM ?
23:13:27 <electrohead> FM*
23:13:28 <Ampera> well I guess I'll tear your invite up for the hipster club
23:13:30 <electrohead> Thanks :p
23:13:32 <Halcyon> Ah
23:13:37 <Ampera> Reequency modulation
23:14:03 <electrohead> If it weren't for those two things I'm looking for, along with a microSD slot - yeah I'd totally go for the iPod
23:14:22 <Ampera> I don't use rockbox anyways. I always consider it, but the whole point of an iPod is simplicity
23:14:30 <Ampera> an iPod can do the following three thing
23:14:32 <Ampera> 1. Play music
23:14:33 <Ampera> 2.
23:14:35 <Ampera> 3.
23:14:39 <electrohead> Lol
23:15:17 <Ampera> ah, I just remembered I brought my SP8
23:15:21 <Ampera> I can use that for music
23:16:11 <Ampera> I kinda wish CM4's were cheaper. I'd love to try my hand at some sort of PCB design and case for it
23:17:09 <Halcyon> The best MP3 players I had were the iRiver one
23:17:09 <electrohead> SP8?
23:17:21 <Ampera> Surface Pro 8
23:17:31 <electrohead> Halcyon: I was thinking about an iRiver player, as rockbox is totally supported
23:17:35 <electrohead> Ampera: ahh, ok
23:17:39 <Halcyon> One was the capable of video and the other was the size of a postage stamp (which I subsequently lost)
23:17:44 <Ampera> I brought 4-5 laptop/tablets into work today lol
23:17:56 <Ampera> two thinkpads, a mac pro, an SP8, and a galaxy tab
23:18:22 <Halcyon> Clix 2 was one, I forget the smaller model
23:18:56 <Ampera> Clitz
23:19:05 <electrohead> Heh, that's why I want a semi decent mp3 player - I don't like taking bigger tech devices out with me, bad enough I take my phone
23:19:11 <electrohead> Clitz. <3
23:19:12 <Halcyon> Ah the iRiver S10 was the other, but yeh it got lost
23:19:46 <Ampera> Only thing that sucks about sshfs is it doesn't handle disconnects gracefully
23:20:06 <electrohead> I noticed that as well
23:20:16 <Halcyon> It was the same size as the iPod shuffle, but it had a built-in OLED display which was cute
23:20:24 <Halcyon> Amazing for its day
23:20:37 <K> electrohead - i got hifi walker h2, runs rockbox
23:21:09 <Halcyon> And the navigation was the tits. None of this touchscreen rubbish. You just pressed the top/bottom/left/right edges of the screen which tilted against actual clicky buttons
23:21:25 <Ampera> K pricy, but interesting
23:22:16 <electrohead> K: how do you like it? what all features does it have, hardware wise?
23:22:23 <electrohead> also, I need to get going
23:22:28 * electrohead hugs the everyones
23:22:58 * Halcyon spanks electrohead as he walks out the door
23:23:34 <K> https://imgur.com/a/UTmWnsT
23:23:34 <EEVBot> [url] Imgur: The magic of the Internet | imgur.com
23:25:07 <K> screen is dimmed to like 20%
23:33:26 <Ampera> I think I'm gonna start bringing a teacup to work. Drinking out of tumbler mugs is starting to get annoying
23:57:00 <K> first thing i did was get a propper cup
23:57:39 <Ampera> It's always a game of will I tip the cup far enough for tea, or to burn my face off
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