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01:32 <Halcyon> Nawww they are all good boys
01:47 <T3sl4> goodests
01:52 <Halcyon> Indeed
17:32 <steve30> *hiss*
25:10 <T3sl4> steve30 irl https://www.reddit.com/r/aww/comments/kqzprx/please_enjoy_some_more_pictures_of_my_cats_faces/
25:13 <EEVBot> [reddit] Please enjoy some more pictures of my cat’s faces when the dog wants his attention (https://v.redd.it/s4k25vw70j961) to r/aww | 80475 points (95.0%) | 829 comments | Posted by shanna99 | Created at 2021-01-05 - 08:44:06CST
25:43 <Ampera> hehehe
25:46 * Ampera pets the steve30 
28:41 * Halcyon licks steve30 
29:24 <K> uh oh
30:12 <MrMobodies> Patreon -> Device check email confirmation -> no email
30:23 <MrMobodies> password reset -> no email
30:23 <Halcyon> The system works
30:24 <Halcyon> :P
30:29 * T3sl4 hides K in a lick-proof room
30:32 <MrMobodies> contact customer support 2 hours
30:37 <MrMobodies> I;ll give it a day
30:59 <MrMobodies> normally they were pretty quick in the past when I last had some issues
31:05 <K> maybe email domain is blacklisted?
31:11 <MrMobodies> I hope not
31:16 <Halcyon> I've has this before when you try to use an email address the system thinks is not a personal one. For example, I tried to subscribe to aliexpress using aliexpress@whatever and it didn't accept it
31:16 <MrMobodies> I am paying for stuff on there
31:25 <MrMobodies> aaah
31:44 <Halcyon> Same with a streaming media service, I used media@blah and no activation email, nothing.
32:02 <Ampera> this reminds me I need to do something about my email again
32:08 <MrMobodies> also I use to get a recept from them every month
32:13 <MrMobodies> stopped last iyear in October
32:15 <Ampera> I've been paying for proton mail, but its proxy/client is just awful
32:18 <MrMobodies> that could be why
32:29 <K> what alternatives are there for gmail though?
32:34 <Halcyon> I have my main personal email, but then I use a bunch of aliases for stuff, so I can just can them if need be.
32:41 <K> besides protonmail
32:50 <Halcyon> K: Depends on what you're looking for
32:57 <Halcyon> I use Google Workspace
32:58 <K> not looking to roll my own
33:10 <K> i mean - outside googles domain
33:21 <Halcyon> Microsoft 365/Outlook
33:36 <Halcyon> But keep in mind, Google Workspace and Free Google are entirely different beasts.
33:39 <MrMobodies> aaa made in Switerland
33:40 <MrMobodies> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ProtonMail
33:40 <EEVBot> [wikipedia] ProtonMail | "Proton Mail (also written as ProtonMail) is an end-to-end encrypted email service founded in 2013 in Geneva, Switzerland. It uses client-side encryption to protect email content and user data before they are sent to Proton Mail servers, unlike other common email providers such as Gmail and Outlook.com. The service can be accessed through a webmail client, the Tor network, or dedicated iOS and Android apps.Proton Mail is run by […]"
33:45 <K> @hotmail.com ftw!
34:36 <Halcyon> I *hate* how Microsoft keeps something as basic as log files at the mercy of a subscription. Unless you pay for certain tiers, you don't get access to (or you get limited access to) log files
34:41 <Halcyon> Which may or may not be important to you
35:10 <K> not that i know
35:10 <MrMobodies> wow no logs linked by pricing tier
35:25 <Halcyon> You do get some logs, but not everything
35:58 <MrMobodies> so glad i don't depend on subscription stuff like that
36:05 <MrMobodies> I am trying to actively avoid it when I can
36:07 <Halcyon> Also there is a bug/flaw/whatever in Microsoft 365 where if you use an iPhone, you can bypass some aspects of MFA
36:15 <Halcyon> So yeh, secure :P
36:30 <MrMobodies> Multi factor authentication
36:45 <MrMobodies> and no logs if you don't pay the right tier
36:51 <MrMobodies> to find out how
36:53 <Halcyon> This is why I use Google Workspace. $8/mnth, 1 user, up to 30 email aliases, and complete control of my data and such
37:15 <Ampera> K, I want to roll my own, but it's just a massive time sink, and I've yet to have the focus for it.
37:15 <MrMobodies> that sounds nice... coming from google
37:35 <MrMobodies> "the completely control of your own data" I mean
37:36 <K> running own email server is a full time hobby, as i see it
37:46 <Ampera> Halcyon, maybe they'll keep it different for Google Workspace, but the main reason I'm no longer using gmail is because their OAuth2 mechanism is just shit
37:59 <Halcyon> Workspace is extremely granular, to the point where you can enable access to Youtube but you can disable certain aspects of it, on a per-user or per-organisation basis.
38:45 <Ampera> and what I'd really like is to have a script that sets up per-service mailboxes, so I can basically mask my own emails
38:46 <Halcyon> Ampera, yeh it probably is. I haven't used free Google in many years.
38:56 <Ampera> I use a third party service to do this, and it's missing features I'd rather be able to just have myself.
39:20 <Halcyon> I mean Gmail allows you to do that with the [email protected] thing
39:21 <Ampera> OH BOY, IT'S SNOWING!
39:25 <Halcyon> But it's easy to filter out
40:24 <Ampera> Proton Mail's desktop client is just awful. It's this shitty electron app that absolutely demands an active and unlocked secrets manager, with almost no configuration for how it uses it
40:25 <Halcyon> That's where running your own mail server does have an advantage, you literally have unlimited mailboxes which you can stand-up and destroy at a whim
40:30 <T3sl4> it was misting, almost raining, here yesterday
40:53 <Ampera> I really need to clean up my home server a lot.
41:02 <Ampera> It currently doesn't reboot properly. I'm sorta waiting for Debian 12 to come out.
41:22 <Halcyon> I guess with SPF/DKIM and DMARC, running your own mail server isn't as painful as it used to be when it comes to trust
41:24 <MrMobodies> something to look forward too
41:31 <MrMobodies> when all the pieces fall together
41:40 <Ampera> looks like Debian 12 hard freezes 12th of march
41:49 <Halcyon> For reals?
41:51 <Ampera> Halcyon, I just let AWS handle that
42:19 <Halcyon> Yeh you can do that too. But those things are super simple to set up, it's mostly just domain records
42:21 <Ampera> While, in theory, I shouldn't have to, that's the easiest cheat code to running your own email server, proxy it through a sending service like SES, so you don't have to worry about trust
42:46 <Ampera> It is, but there's a ton of problems. A lot of email providers will straight up block anything coming from a consumer IP address.
43:04 <Halcyon> How do they define "consumer" ?
43:07 <Ampera> Pretty much any hosting provider worth using blocks SMTP outgoing too.
43:10 <Ampera> Halcyon, consumer ISP
43:28 <Halcyon> Yeh but how would "the world" know whether your IP/account is a consumer one?
43:30 <Ampera> I'm not sure how they define it, I'm just under the impression this is what some of them do.
43:38 <Halcyon> It would be an administrative nightmare to keep that list up to date
43:51 <Ampera> I'm also of the impression that lots of email servers tend to just blackhole stuff randomly, with no real way to tell that it's happening or why
44:01 <Ampera> Email /is/ an administrative nightmare
44:25 <Ampera> I already use SES to forward noreply mail from various web apps.
44:28 <Halcyon> I know a lot/most ISPs block SMTP by default, but it's usually a choice if the consumer wants that off for whatever reason (here at least)
44:45 <Ampera> Not here.
44:50 <Halcyon> Assholes
44:57 <Ampera> If there's any way to remove the block, it's shelling out 5-10x more for a business plan
45:05 <Ampera> same with having a static v4
45:10 <Halcyon> Yeh that's just being greedy
45:24 <Halcyon> Cashing in on something that costs nothing
45:56 <jaymax> Cash for someone else's risk management
46:29 <Halcyon> Over here there is literally no difference between a consumer or business NBN plan, except some ISPs may not offer the "better" speed tiers to residential customers, but they often will if you ask.
46:30 <jaymax> Want to stop scammers? Make it expensive.
46:48 <Halcyon> Where the difference comes in is your level of support if shit breaks
47:07 <Halcyon> You can pay up to a 6-hour restoration time if you really want, but it's expensive.
47:20 <Ampera> I think ISPs here keep different well known IP pools for residential vs business
47:27 <Halcyon> Then the next level up from that is enterprise ethernet/dark fibre/private networks
47:38 <Ampera> I think it's something that can show up in whois or reverse DNS or GeoIP lookup or something like that
48:32 <Ampera> The business plan is mostly that. You get the exact same service as residential, but you're officially allowed to do what you want with it (instead of it just sorta being a don't break shit and we won't care), and you'll get support for that
49:00 <Ampera> I don't think our area even has >1gbps PON anyways
49:01 <Halcyon> I just looked, my RDNS name is: 87-121-***-***.dyn.launtel.net.au
49:06 <Halcyon> Which is just my fixed IP
49:46 <Halcyon> Whilst it's still in the "dynamic" pool of addresses, they just put a reservation in for my service on their end
51:19 <Ampera> could be enough to get blackholed from someone like outlook
51:26 <Ampera> who knows
51:26 <Halcyon> As far as I'm concerned, if you have an internet connection, you should be able to do whatever you like with it, provided it's not illegal
51:40 <Halcyon> (or you don't cause the company to lose money)
51:45 <Ampera> Yes, but as far as ISPs are concerned, if they can squeeze money out of you, they will
52:15 <Ampera> when 99% of their customers don't even know what the fuck an IP address is, your shitty concerns for your 80 bucks a month just aren't worth caring about in the slightest
52:22 <Halcyon> I think telcos/ISPs learned long ago that consumers won't put up with that shit here.
52:24 <Ampera> giving a shit is expensive
52:32 <Ampera> hehe
52:36 <Halcyon> Same with things like locking handsets to a provider, it just doesn't happen
52:41 <Ampera> did they learn consumers won't put up with crap service?
52:56 <Halcyon> It costs them more in the long run with support/complaints/people ringing up
53:14 <Ampera> Things here have gotten a lot better in terms of mobile telcos. Carrier locking is still a thing, but every major carrier allows you to unlock a device you buy from them once you own it.
53:21 <Halcyon> Well crap service is down to the local infrastructure, rather than the wider network
53:25 <Ampera> Most will even allow you to do a temporary unlock while you don't own it if you're traveling
53:28 <Halcyon> It just depends how lucky you are
53:51 <Ampera> you can also easily just buy an unlocked phone, usually for the same price, just where you're on your own for financing/deals
54:14 <Ampera> My pixel is carrier locked, which would only really matter if I was going somewhere that tmo service is shit, or out of the country
54:15 <Halcyon> Yep
54:47 <Halcyon> Actually now that you say that, a lot of telcos here tend to price match manufacturers/retail stores
55:02 <Halcyon> They don't make much money off hardware, it's mostly off the services themselves
55:23 <Ampera> My telco has the same price as MSRP, but they'll give you free 2 year financing on your plan (they don't have contracts, if you quit the service, balance becomes due), and sometimes will have special deals
55:32 <Ampera> so for instance, I traded in my N20U to get this pixel 7 pro for 100 bucks
55:51 <Halcyon> I just buy my phones outright these days
55:55 <Ampera> I mean they fucking better, my phone bill is like 340$/mo
56:00 <Halcyon> Ouch!
56:09 <Ampera> I do have like 12 lines or so
56:14 <Ampera> 12-14, I forget how many
56:18 <Halcyon> "Lines" ?
56:26 <Ampera> 12-14 sim cards
56:33 <Halcyon> Oh right
56:40 <Halcyon> Well yeh, I guess that adds up
56:53 <Ampera> they use lines as if this was a POTS company, even though they're not.
57:27 <Ampera> I hold the account for my family. I've settled the cost with each of them, and collect money which I use to pay the bill
57:35 <Ampera> my actual monthly is something like 20-30USD/mo
59:53 <Halcyon> Got ya
00:31 <Halcyon> Yeh that's about the going rate here for a decent provider and 1 service
03:16 <Halcyon> Hmmm it's 0100, I should probably go sleep
03:27 <Ampera> lol
03:30 <Ampera> do you work Fridays?
05:02 <Halcyon> Yessum
05:15 <Ampera> well
05:17 <Ampera> enjoy your power nap
05:18 <Ampera> <3
05:33 <Halcyon> Heh I work from home so, I literally start work from bed
05:53 <Halcyon> Besides, since I've started exercising, I have so much more energy
05:58 <Halcyon> I don't feel tired
07:07 <Ampera> I should probably maybe do something like that
07:16 <Ampera> I like exercise, but what I hate is boring exercise
07:31 <Halcyon> It helps if you have people to go with
07:36 <Ampera> If I can do something productive with my body, I love it. If all I'm doing is walking/running/lifting, I get bored and don't continue.
07:43 <Ampera> I hate gyms, actually.
07:46 <Halcyon> Or if I'm by myself I just tune out to music
07:47 <Ampera> Those are the most boring places ever.
11:32 <K> can you walk to/from work?
14:04 <Halcyon> I'm guessing with the snow, it's probably not ideal?
14:44 <Ampera> K, in theory yes. In practice, it'd take me a couple hours.
15:05 <K> ah. hours is not good
15:13 <Ampera> if you intend to suggest biking, then I shall let you know attempting to ride a bike is an offense summarily punishable by death.
15:16 <Halcyon> Aint nobody got time for that
15:25 <K> nah
15:32 <K> biking is extra effort
15:41 <K> walking quite a bit less
15:52 <Ampera> I kinda wish I had a side gig where I can run cable or do some sort of thing with my hands
16:05 <Ampera> even if it's just setting up some guy's stereo system or network or whatever
16:10 <Halcyon> What's stopping you?
16:15 <Ampera> opportunity?
18:53 <Halcyon> I've decided to make boiled eggs
19:16 <Ampera> at 01:00?
19:20 <Halcyon> *shrug*
19:26 <Ampera> I like you
19:29 <Halcyon> Something to do
19:33 <Halcyon> Nawww :)
19:39 <Ampera> are eggs unobtanium there too?
19:45 <Ampera> we're having a massive egg shortage/price crisis
19:54 <Halcyon> Not that I know of?
20:00 <Ampera> dozen large white (typical color for around here) go for around 6-8USD
20:16 <Ampera> around 10 AUD
21:04 <Halcyon> Most supermarkets around here sell local produce
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21:50 <Halcyon> Weird, not sure what happened there
22:07 <Halcyon> As I was saying... There's a potat shortage apparently due to floods but it only seems to be impacting frozen fries
22:19 <Halcyon> You can still buy proper potatos
23:01 <Ampera> There's supposedly been a massive america-wide incidence of bird flu, wiped out a lot of egg layers
23:06 <Ampera> but what's odd is the price of chicken hasn't gone up
23:10 <Halcyon> Awww poor chooks :(
24:32 <Halcyon> I honestly wouldn't be surprised if we face a "worldwide" food shortage with the way things are going
25:11 <Halcyon> I think people are too used to things just being available all the time and it's at a bit of a tipping point
27:14 <MrMobodies> aaah just like the "cloud" cameras
27:28 <Halcyon> ?
27:37 <MrMobodies> the ones thar don't stream to a dedicated video recorder
27:47 <MrMobodies> they stream to a website
27:57 <MrMobodies> offered a 7 day free recording
28:06 <Halcyon> I was talking about food, where did cameras come from?
28:09 <MrMobodies> and find they revese the decision sometime down the future
28:13 <MrMobodies> ooh sorry
28:35 <MrMobodies> there are lots of things available at my local shop
29:05 <MrMobodies> unfortunately quite a few things they seem caked and sugar, fat and chemicals
29:35 <Halcyon> Fresh vege and fruit seems to be the first to go from here
29:43 <Halcyon> (as in locally)
29:44 <MrMobodies> there sell a small amount
29:55 <MrMobodies> lemons in particular
29:58 <MrMobodies> it is a small village shop
30:47 <Halcyon> Do you live in a regional/rural area MrMobodies
30:49 <Halcyon> ?
31:18 <MrMobodies> rural area
31:32 <MrMobodies> about 3 miles away from a small town
31:37 <Halcyon> May I ask roughly where abouts?
31:45 <Halcyon> I'm always interested in where people are from
31:45 <MrMobodies> A village called Coates
31:50 <MrMobodies> the nearest town is Whittlesey
32:02 <MrMobodies> well people around here are so nice
32:05 <Ampera> Halcyon, I doubt it in terms of the US, because the vast majority of food is produced domestically.
32:20 <Ampera> However, for countries where this is not the case, there's already a worldwide food shortage.
32:42 <Ampera> I was just reading a story where food prices in Egypt are nigh apocalyptic because of the Ukraine/Russia war
32:52 <Halcyon> Oh I see, but Peterborough I'd imagine is where a lot of people go to do their "big shops" ?
32:59 <Halcyon> It doesn't seem far at all
33:04 <Ampera> Europe's probably not far behind in some places, particularly since energy prices are fucked there
33:09 <MrMobodies> it falls under both in Peterbrough and Cambridgeshire
33:19 <MrMobodies> I'd get letters varying it
33:42 <MrMobodies> some with Peterborough and some with Cambridgeshire
33:51 <MrMobodies> its as if they overlap a little
33:56 <MrMobodies> and they can't decide
34:20 <MrMobodies> but yes I have visited Peterborough and I wouldn't like to go back there
34:46 <MrMobodies> too busy and noisy for me
35:21 <Halcyon> Coates looks cute
35:29 <Halcyon> Very similar in terms of density to where I am
35:46 <MrMobodies> people are so nice, you leave a bike on the green
35:53 <MrMobodies> and it will still be there the next day
36:09 <MrMobodies> Essex where I use to live, that would be gone in a couple of seconds
36:10 <Halcyon> I like being able to go to the shops and know people's name
36:30 <MrMobodies> there are not many shops here
36:39 <MrMobodies> but hardly any shut
36:52 <Halcyon> I just clicked on a random part of the map and saw "Lucky House". I thought, that's got to be a Chinese restaurant
37:06 <MrMobodies> oh yes
37:11 <MrMobodies> there is a story to that one
37:19 <Halcyon> Oh?
37:27 <MrMobodies> it use to be a fish and chip shop many years before I moved
37:31 <MrMobodies> the owners retired
37:38 <MrMobodies> and the Chinese brought it over
37:47 <MrMobodies> the hot counter is still there
37:51 <MrMobodies> but htey don't use it
37:55 <MrMobodies> for heating food up
38:04 <MrMobodies> now it is called the lucky house for a reason
38:06 <Halcyon> I see in 2009 it used to be "Choys"
38:14 <MrMobodies> maybe that was it
38:29 <MrMobodies> sometimes folks around here get stomache aches after eating the good
38:31 <MrMobodies> *food
38:39 <MrMobodies> we think it is to do with the fat they use
38:44 <Halcyon> Hah
38:45 <MrMobodies> or they are recycling it too much
38:51 <Halcyon> Gutter oil perhaps?
38:57 <Halcyon> Do they realise this isn't China?
39:06 <MrMobodies> that's why they call it lucky
39:12 <Halcyon> Oh dear
39:12 <MrMobodies> also it doesn't always open at the times specified
39:16 <MrMobodies> and it may opened earler too
39:21 <MrMobodies> hence lucky house
39:44 <MrMobodies> I don't often fo there
40:01 <MrMobodies> because it would be down to luck after I enjoyed my food
40:23 <MrMobodies> whether I 'd been ina case for stomache issues later
40:30 <MrMobodies> the first time it happened to me in mid 2020
40:40 <MrMobodies> I thought I was having another case of the covid
40:53 <MrMobodies> but it was only a couple of hours
41:22 <MrMobodies> and it happened again when eating there some weeks later and other folks at the pub said they had that problem
41:31 <Halcyon> I don't know why this person decided to mow a cross into their lawn: https://www.google.com/maps/@52.5638125,-0.0764739,3a,75y,278.24h,57.65t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sKjsHDDOe0yvzNnfVlOHCeA!2e0!5s20220601T000000!7i16384!8i8192
41:31 <EEVBot> [url] Google Maps | www.google.com
42:13 <MrMobodies> aaah
42:19 <MrMobodies> that would the Football rave
42:27 <MrMobodies> they made about that Football
42:34 <Halcyon> Riiiight
43:26 <MrMobodies> they were putitng up England flags
43:31 <MrMobodies> all over the small pub
43:35 <MrMobodies> the Top house
43:55 <MrMobodies> and that was in in June 2022
43:58 <MrMobodies> the photo
44:30 <steve30> The Chinese I go to is a former fish and chip shop
44:37 <Halcyon> I love seeing the differences in places on Google
44:40 <Halcyon> https://www.google.com/maps/@52.5622945,-0.0752011,3a,75y,206.56h,90.39t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sAvSKdL9ukHy3PkJlwYjLxA!2e0!5s20090601T000000!7i13312!8i6656
44:40 <EEVBot> [url] Google Maps | www.google.com
44:47 <Halcyon> and that https://www.google.com/maps/@52.562285,-0.0752069,3a,75y,206.56h,90.39t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s8HPcw-oFRS8ZDxebU_BFhA!2e0!5s20220601T000000!7i16384!8i8192
44:47 <EEVBot> [url] Google Maps | www.google.com
45:15 <Halcyon> 13 years apart
45:55 <MrMobodies> oh yes they didn't maps here for a while
46:01 <MrMobodies> that corner shop use to be a Spar
46:06 <MrMobodies> just when we moved in 2019
46:10 <MrMobodies> it was closed
46:27 <MrMobodies> and some Indian family just brought it over and was doing it up into a post office
46:28 <Halcyon> We have a few of those here
46:39 <Halcyon> Mostly in rural areas
46:51 <MrMobodies> That shop near to the pub is a Violin shop
47:02 <MrMobodies> they have to puppy dogs very small in size
47:04 <MrMobodies> and a cat
47:10 <MrMobodies> and they all play along nicel
47:20 <MrMobodies> and they have moments on the window where the heater is
47:40 <MrMobodies> https://www.google.com/maps/@52.5617731,-0.0746176,3a,75y,211.42h,84.93t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sQZAeSWl_SeNs8YQ4ucKA8A!2e0!5s20090601T000000!7i13312!8i6656
47:40 <EEVBot> [url] Google Maps | www.google.com
48:21 <Halcyon> I'm guessing parking between the lines is optional?
48:41 <MrMobodies> maybe
48:53 <MrMobodies> there is so much space
48:57 <MrMobodies> people park on the green too
49:06 <MrMobodies> without getting a ticket
49:28 <MrMobodies> do you like shitholes as well?
49:34 <MrMobodies> well here is one
49:35 <MrMobodies> https://www.google.com/maps/place/Romford/@51.592014,0.2170963,1018m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x47d8a23174b37231:0x932de78a76329f31!8m2!3d51.577076!4d0.178319
49:36 <EEVBot> [url] Google Maps | www.google.com
49:38 <Halcyon> Hahahah
49:39 <MrMobodies> and that is where I use to live
49:49 <steve30> I didn't know there was a Coates down there. There's one over in Lincoln, and I think there's another one in that general area as well.
49:50 <MrMobodies> well in Upminster
50:23 <MrMobodies> well a little village
50:31 <MrMobodies> they have village hall around the corner
50:43 <MrMobodies> but the nearest official town is Whittlesea
50:43 <Halcyon> I'd love to keep looking but it's almost 0200 here, I really need to get to bed
50:49 <Halcyon> Night all
51:09 <MrMobodies> https://www.google.com/maps/@52.5588635,-0.1007357,14z
51:09 <EEVBot> ...
51:15 <MrMobodies> oohh night
51:51 <Halcyon> You're not far from Stuart Ashen MrMobodies
51:57 <MrMobodies> aah
52:00 <Halcyon> He's in Norwich isn't he?
52:07 <MrMobodies> I think he is
52:18 <MrMobodies> I heard of them talking about him at the pub
52:31 <MrMobodies> also an Audiofool company is around here too
52:40 <Halcyon> Anyway, I'm getting distracted again, bed time
52:42 <MrMobodies> the ones that charge a fortune for
53:00 <MrMobodies> sweet dreams of lovelly villages
53:11 <MrMobodies> away from all the hell holes
53:36 <Halcyon> I'll dream of summer and hopefully you guys get some of our warmth
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14:59 <Nothing\> so I asked reddit for suggestions re: scientific/engineering calculators for pc/android. There seems to be an overwhelming amount of support for MatLab, which I was not even considering.
15:33 <Nothing\> but it makes me wonder if they just say that because they're students or that's what they were taught with at school
16:58 <Nothing\> Mathematica feels like it could be more functional but that could just be my own preference.
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30:28 <steve30> i just use xcalc
30:47 <steve30> 'xcalc -rpn' to be precise
31:54 <K> if you need some of functionality that matlab provides, try octave which is open source
32:13 <K> can be a bit rough at the edges but is quite functional
32:27 <K> (pun intended)
33:53 <Nothing\> steve30, i usually use hipercalc on PC or the pro version on Android, or my TI-83 for a real life calc
34:00 <Nothing\> or desmos.com for graphing
34:24 <Nothing\> but none of my PC or android options do vectors or matrices, and they're kinda clunky, or just non-native with complex numbers.
34:37 <Nothing\> especially converting between polar/rectangular forms or graphing them
35:20 <Nothing\> i'd like to learn Geogebra it seems really useful from what I've seen on Matt Parker's videos and other similar math videos where they make animations with it.
36:57 <Nothing\> Or I have a 2D physics sandbox called algodoo I use for simple physics simulations. 2D kinematics and or classical mechanics. It has a nifty little graphing function for things like various types of energy, angular/linear velocity/moment, position, momentum, etc
37:58 <Nothing\> lol i'm tempted to call my electric company and ask them about getting 500 amp service
38:05 <Nothing\> residential service
38:33 <Nothing\> actually i guess i'd have to get a guy out to do an estimate since I don't even have 2 phase in this place.
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39:22 <Nothing> damn peer that guy is such a dick
39:33 <Nothing> always resetting our connections
39:55 <Nothing> it's funny that's still a thing after what? like 4 decades?
41:56 <steve30> I had a play with Geogebra once after my maths teacher at college did some demos of it.
42:04 <steve30> I've completely forgotten what it does
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54:02 <Nothing> yeah it's really kind of all over the place
58:41 <Nothing> afair there were like 4 different versions of it when I went to use it. One for geography, one for just freehand drawing I guess, One for algebra, and one that I think was just a scientific calculator
58:54 <Nothing> it was kind of a mess
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14:24 <Nothing> hey Kuschelpony how's it going?
14:36 <Kuschelpony> Hello nothing
15:05 <Kuschelpony> not much going, but tomorrow i drive for a weekend to visit Berlin again
16:13 <Nothing> ooh sounds fun. I envy you being able to drive through the Bavarian countryside. Particularly if that involves an especially famous area like the mountains or the rhine or the black forest... really anywhere in Germany afaik.
16:51 <Nothing> I've had a look at some of the rural villages in the valleys between the mountains further towards Austria and they all look so beautiful.
17:21 <Nothing> Not quite the same area though, I gather.
24:46 <Kuschelpony> oh i also like these areas but not very often travel in the direction of Austria
31:53 <Nothing> Ah I see. Either way I am envious.
32:12 <Nothing> Not much to see in the countryside here. Just forests and farms that used to be forests.
32:49 <Nothing> and a very rundown indian reservation punctuated with the mansions of people who run black market tobacco rackets
33:08 <Nothing> and shops to sell said tobacco
33:33 <T3sl4> https://imgur.com/gallery/xd2PCZr
33:34 <EEVBot> [url] This is what heaven looks like :D - Album on Imgur | imgur.com
33:35 <Nothing> lol that's pretty much the biggest draw for this area. The cheap tobacco and petrol on the indian res
33:43 * T3sl4 hugs Nothing in a moment of zen
33:52 <K> that is lotsacat
33:53 <Nothing> T3sl4, that better be a million billy mayses
34:01 * Nothing hugs T3sl4 <3
34:51 <Nothing> T3sl4, lol i got a couple of those toy wands that generates a buncha static electricity to levitate a little metal foil toy. The thing's neat but I'm terrified to use it anywhere in my house in fear of the ESD.
35:21 <Nothing> Plus the levitating toy gets attracted to and stuck on pretty much everything within 15 feet of it. Including me.
35:26 <Nothing> and the ceiling
35:27 <Nothing> lol
35:42 <Nothing> i'm just imagining charging up some leyden jars for it.
35:44 <Nothing> *with
37:14 <Nothing> aww T3sl4 cuteness overload. But I have to wonder in the back of my mind, why? I can't help but feel like they're being sold or something just because that's usually how things being sold are displayed, in neatly stacked boxes. But I'm not so sure that works with cats.
37:56 <Nothing> speaking of cuteness, apparently NASA flew a plush Snoopy on Artemis-1 just loose in the cabin as a "zero-g indicator"
38:16 <Nothing> you can see in the videos and screen grabs every now and then he's floating around
39:24 <Nothing> I guess he's actually been involved with NASA since the days of Apollo. I remember the black and white caps the astronauts wore were called snoopy caps, and the lunar module for apollo 10 was called Snoopy.
52:20 * Nothing poofs into the real world
52:23 <Nothing> take care guys!
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55:24 <Ysjoelfir> mornings
55:28 <Ysjoelfir> seems like I missed all the fun
55:35 * Ampera hugs Ysjoelfir 
55:41 <Ampera> how are you doing Ysjoelirend?
55:44 * Ysjoelfir rehugs Ampera
55:49 <Ysjoelfir> I am doing fine, and you?
55:58 <Ampera> do you write code?
56:03 <Ysjoelfir> eww
56:06 <Ysjoelfir> yes, if I must
56:17 <Ysjoelfir> and only very basic low level stuff for atmegas
56:22 <Ampera> do you ever write some overly complicated code that is so stupid that you wonder why you are even doing anything at all?
56:32 <Ysjoelfir> yes, that happened
56:40 <Ampera> in some ways this is this entire project
57:18 <Ysjoelfir> the same happenes when I do PCB design from time to time. eg, today. I looked at an old schematic (this time from the people that worked here there before I did) and was like.... "wtf is this fuckery?"
57:35 <Ysjoelfir> so, I have an idea.
57:49 <Ysjoelfir> and I would love you guys to participate :D
58:03 <Ampera> germany's a bit far to fly for a wedding, but I appreciate the offer
58:26 <Ysjoelfir> thats a good idea, too, and it also involves the misses, but was not what I had in mind right now
59:16 <Ysjoelfir> The misses is going to start working at my employer as well starting from 1st december. for her job she needs to get a bit better in english. Sooooo.... I consider installing her an IRC client on the PC as well, so that she can participate a bit in our daily talks.
59:45 <Ampera> talk about an english school of hard knocks lol
00:03 <Ysjoelfir> right now she is sitting at my side, looking like "wtf is this gibberish?" while trying to understand what I just wrote :D
00:12 <Ampera> I promise to swear only always
00:36 <Ysjoelfir> thats perfect!
00:41 <Ampera> It'll be fine so long as her english is better than my german
00:49 <Ysjoelfir> I think that is doable
01:00 <Ysjoelfir> should I hand her the keyboard while I refill our salad bowls?
01:20 <Ysjoelfir> so you can try out who is worse at the others language
01:49 <Ampera> uh
01:56 <Ampera> yes, but I won't try to speak german
02:01 <Ysjoelfir> lol
02:07 <Ampera> it's a bit too broken even for a joke
03:02 <Ysjoelfir> Hi Ampera
03:09 <Ampera> Hello not Ysjoelfir
03:16 <Ampera> how are you
03:32 <Ysjoelfir> fine thanks and you
03:42 <Ampera> Not yet dead.
03:57 <Ysjoelfir> thats good
04:01 <Ampera> if you think so
04:22 <Ysjoelfir> dead is not god
05:37 <Ampera> don't worry, we're exceptional examples to derive a more fluent lexical conceptualization of the english language. While I'm of the understanding that you are, at this present moment, somewhat inexperience with such linguistic activities, I shall endeavor to converse only in the most common of english vocabulary and phrases, such that you shall rarely if ever be confused as to what I am attemting to communicate.
07:26 <Ysjoelfir> You managed to made her flee.
07:29 <Ysjoelfir> xD
07:36 <Ampera> I only said I'll take it easy on her.
08:23 <Ysjoelfir> I know <3
08:24 <Ampera> Tell her it's okay, I have no idea what the hell I just wrote either.
09:04 <Ysjoelfir> she is laughing and asked me to write: Wenn du denkst, du denkst, dann denkst du nur du denkst, doch denken tust du nie.
10:32 <Ampera> I almost understood that.
11:08 <Ysjoelfir> "if you think you think, than you only think that you think, but you don't really think at all"
11:13 <Ysjoelfir> (more or less)
11:16 <Ampera> when I think, I think that I think I don't think
11:17 <Ampera> yeah
11:49 <Ampera> that's a thinker
12:41 <Ysjoelfir> indeed it is
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13:06 <Ysjoelfir> so, you think you can save her from not understanding what some people do?
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13:26 <Ampera> I don't know what or why anyone does anything
13:37 <Ampera> I'll help her as soon as she helps me help myself.
17:29 <Ysjoelfir> I advise her to do that.
17:41 <Ysjoelfir> i think its a fair deal
18:03 <Ampera> maybe I should drag my dad in here, he might actually be useful
18:17 <Ampera> then again, I'm not sure if I want him to know /quite/ how fucked in the head I actually am
18:24 <Ampera> it's always a tough question
19:25 <Ysjoelfir> thats understandable
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40:54 <Ysjoelfir> I wonder.. has anyone of you ever played Ragnarok Online?
41:27 <Ampera> never even heard of it
41:38 <Ysjoelfir> its a game from 2004
42:39 <Ysjoelfir> a MMORPG. basicallt grinding grinding grinding.
44:49 <Ysjoelfir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbCpVuSnxA8
44:49 <EEVBot> [YouTube] ⁨Is it worth playing Ragnarok Online in 2022?⁩ | 4m 25s | Channel: ⁨Game Citizen⁩ | 32,202 views | 2022-08-02 - 09:00:12UTC
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48:44 <Kuschelpony> either someone is well trolling, or we should be ashamed about the low in elecronic education happening https://www.diyaudio.com/community/threads/can-any-op-amp-be-used-for-audio.394362/
48:45 <EEVBot> [url] can any op-amp be used for audio? | diyAudio | www.diyaudio.com
53:41 <Ysjoelfir> well, problem is the general education system in our beloved land.
09:33 <rust2> BOOBIES!
09:39 <Ampera> I concur.
14:13 * Ysjoelfir looks down
14:16 * Ysjoelfir looks to his right
14:21 <Ysjoelfir> yes, 4 boobies
26:57 <Ampera> yes, but which are bigger
27:00 <Ampera> that is the difficult question
27:16 <Ysjoelfir> hers. but only slightly
33:34 <MrMobodies> Low education is what I am ashamed off. t
33:47 <MrMobodies> ooops window stuck
34:02 <MrMobodies> that's why I am trying to learn stuff everyday to do with my interesting in things
34:43 <MrMobodies> and carefully consider whether I hear is junk science or not
34:51 <MrMobodies> I tend to get skeptical
35:04 <MrMobodies> until I am satisified whether it is the truth
35:17 <MrMobodies> just found this article
35:42 <MrMobodies> and pleased that Channel 4 is not going to be "privatised"
35:43 <MrMobodies> https://www.stl.news/channel-4-privatisation-scrapped-in-humiliation-for-boris-johnson-and-nadine-dorries/598837
35:44 <EEVBot> [url] Channel 4 privatisation SCRAPPED in humiliation for Boris Johnson and Nadine Dorries - STL.News | www.stl.news
35:55 <MrMobodies> Don't those two look alike in the picture?
37:24 <MrMobodies> https://i.imgur.com/t8HrB0A.png
37:28 <MrMobodies> I mean their hair and that
38:06 <MrMobodies> and she's all upset about it in a very deluded way
38:07 <MrMobodies> https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/tories-must-bring-back-boris-28902925
38:08 <EEVBot> [url] Tories must bring back Boris Johnson or 'die', loyal ally Nadine Dorries declares - Mirror Online | www.mirror.co.uk
39:09 <MrMobodies> I am under the impression that she is getting some kind of incentive/commission for it.
39:30 <MrMobodies> for whatever they wanted to do to Channel 4
52:24 <rust2> what makes you think those people do anything at all, without an incentive
04:59 <MrMobodies> I thought they were voted in on goodwill many years ago
05:12 <MrMobodies> I thought how wrong could I be
05:50 <MrMobodies> believing they'll be gone after the bedroom tax in 2014?
05:57 <MrMobodies> they are still here
05:58 <rust2> voted in, from what selection?
06:13 <MrMobodies> the more than half majority
06:43 <MrMobodies> over the opposition I mean
08:13 <MrMobodies> I only heard of her recently
08:27 <MrMobodies> what I didn't know was that back in 2013 she was there as well
08:29 <MrMobodies> https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/nadine-dorries-threatens-independent-parliamentary-standards-authority-after-new-allegations-on-expenses-8497138.html
08:30 <EEVBot> [url] Nadine Dorries threatens Independent Parliamentary Standards Authority after new allegations on expenses | The Independent | The Independent | www.independent.co.uk
10:59 <MrMobodies> up to other things
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25:53 <jaymax> https://lushprojects.com/circuitjs/circuitjs.html?ctz=CQAgjCAMB0l3BWcMBMcUHYMGZIA4UA2ATmIxAUgoqoQFMBaMMAKADcQnCRsEVOw3PFREgALFRRioMmAhYB3AUMkSQwqCwAuPbNymrDMiAxTZoYlEUjMwkK9mxRo17GOGRCXu2KR2qACZ0AGYAhgCuADZaLABOIBh84GLSifwaVP5wLADOCUlgKfn8BsYgYZE5dIrF6kYZcSClGqVW0lS4kDWtCPpqvPxdSmDE-APKPElDun1UaU1qXYIl-QWjkyUgQWFRWgyRdAHgss42LEA
26:19 <jaymax> Is there a PoE Lighting solution that simple? ^
26:38 <jaymax> ...to buy?
26:50 <jaymax> Or equivalent since I am a dummy?
30:20 <jaymax> As in, run 24-48V via a passive PoE injector to a small board that has the receiving ethernet block, a resistor ot two, transistor, LED or bnreakout for the LED bulb, and the posts to run to a switch?
34:50 <rust2> Not that I know anything, it probably does exist. But I think I have seen some poe relay boards.
44:16 <jaymax> The ones I find seem to be IoT-speciic. Which makes this search fruistrating.
45:08 <jaymax> Horrendously overrcomplicated. https://nuleds.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/NuLEDs-Infographic_WEB.jpg
46:58 <jaymax> Even the PoE relay boards look to be shoving a brick meant for 8 channels behind a single fixture.
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58:40 <rust2> oh, a hsn .....
08:57 <hsn> How my server was restarted
09:38 <rust2> it is the internet of things feature. someone near you, has a samsung phone, or an iphone
37:59 * Ampera hugs K 
38:06 <Ampera> I like the fez wearing snowman
38:13 <K> oh?
38:17 <Ampera> :D
38:18 <K> the card!
38:21 <K> it arrived!
38:22 <Ampera> :D:D:D:D:D:D
38:26 <K> glorious!!!!11
38:49 <K> i hope you can read my chicken scratchings
38:51 <Ampera> I've asked my dad (stamp collector) if he'd trade some latvian stamps for some US ones that will get something to you
39:01 <Ampera> I can, it's easier than my german relatives
39:09 <Ampera> as it's at least in a language I understand :D
39:18 <K> haha
39:21 <Ampera> can you read cursive?
39:30 <K> yeah
39:36 <Ampera> ok, just checking
39:47 <Ampera> I've sent people handwritten cursive letters they literally had no idea how to read...
39:54 <K> i opted not to write as it is hit and miss even here
40:16 <Ampera> I am one of the last people in the US who were taught how to read/write cursive, mostly because my mother schooled me.
41:04 <K> i am very pleeased the card arrived.
41:12 <Ampera> I am very pleased to have received it.
41:28 <K> would've i've known your father collects stamps i could have looked for some more fancy
41:40 <K> those were just some post lady had on hand
41:57 <Ampera> he's always happy to have stamps, no matter what they are
42:33 <Ampera> his collection is seriously impressive. He's got all the cliches, nazi stamps, soviet union, yugoslavia, all the countries that don't exist, and some countries you didn't even know existed
42:41 <Ampera> like sanmarinese stamps
43:05 <K> that is a rabbit hole i managed to escape
43:12 <Ampera> likewise
43:14 <K> i had a small collection when i was small
43:16 <Ampera> he tried to get me into it
43:20 <Ampera> same
43:26 <K> prolly have the album somewhere
43:34 <Ampera> he'd have me sit with him with plates of warm water and glue remover to get them clean
43:36 <rust2> I am sure he also has some from countries that really do not exist, and never did? Like belguim?
43:45 <Ampera> rust2, I think he even has some from norway
44:00 <K> belgium is just mis-pronounced bulgaria
44:25 <Ampera> I think one time he managed to get a big bag of empty envelopes (or maybe just the stamp clippings) from someone who used to work for the IRS in the 60's
44:46 <rust2> we used to have some almost nice stamps. these days, you can just hand write a code, so I think stamps are disappearing completely, pretty soon
45:08 <Ampera> hand write a code?
45:12 <Ampera> how strange
45:43 <rust2> yes, you order a "stamp" online, then you write the code on the letter, and... that is it
46:06 <Ampera> instructions unclear, hand stuck in toaster
46:11 <rust2> it is 3 lines of 3 symbols
46:12 <K> i mean, you already killed a tree for the letter and envelope
46:20 <K> why skimp on the fucking stamp
46:25 <Ampera> ^
46:59 <Ampera> I think the closest thing we have to this is being able to print shipping labels for packages
47:03 <Ampera> but that applies for, uh, packages
47:11 <K> but ways of norway are ways of norway, not for everyone
47:12 <rust2> recycled toilet paper. mmmm
47:18 <Ampera> stamps aren't becoming obsolete in the US, letters are
47:30 <rust2> yeah, that is a thing
47:39 <Ampera> I would not be surprised if kids coming out of school had no clue how to stamp or address a letter
47:58 <Ampera> K, is writing the return address on the back a latvian thing? In the US we put it at the top left
48:07 <K> yeah
48:12 <Ampera> interesting
48:44 <K> maybe not in the cornder like i did, but on the other side
48:49 <rust2> we used to write that on the back, with a cross over it. But these days, it gets printed on the front, most of the time
49:18 <Ampera> in the US we have these little stickers you can buy to put at the top left if you are lazy
49:27 <Ampera> I remember my mom having a lot of those
49:43 <K> i am considering making a stamp heh
49:53 <rust2> potato stamp...
49:58 <K> had to hand-write it like 35 times
50:22 <K> (yes, i srsly dislike trees, effin creeps)
30:49 <electrohead> o/
35:59 <Halcyon> Morning chick peas!
36:38 <electrohead> Morning you dirty little .. something
36:39 <electrohead> Lol
38:35 <Halcyon> Hahaha
38:44 <Halcyon> YAY it's Friday!
42:04 <jaymax> Hey Halcyon i'm looking forward to Friday coming my way...
42:36 <jaymax> Hello flounders
43:00 <Halcyon> It's looking overcast so far, but should warm up later
43:20 <Halcyon> Should be about 28-30 degrees later on
43:29 <electrohead> It's raining right now
43:34 <electrohead> Even thundering and lightning out
43:36 <jaymax> Lots of snow and rain rolling in, here.
43:40 <Halcyon> Ooooh
43:43 <electrohead> Would such if power goes out
43:49 <Halcyon> I love a good storm (when it doesn't damage stuff)
44:01 <electrohead> This sucks; I already scheduled to leave work early tomorrow, to start working on my car a bit early
44:05 * jaymax is also sick again, probably 
44:10 <electrohead> It better not fucking rain tomorrow, guh
44:26 <Halcyon> BRB, gotta poop
45:57 <jaymax> electrohead: phone call incoming, ETA 20min.
46:44 <electrohead> Yeah hopefully power won't be out, it's really storming out there :/
48:47 * Ampera hugs Halcyon 
48:50 * Ampera kisses electrohead <3
49:27 <electrohead> Woah, I've been upgraded <3
49:28 <electrohead> lol
49:32 <electrohead> Hey dude, sup n things
49:48 <Ampera> Excellent, I had an awesome morning.
50:13 <rust2> hmmm, who are you?
50:17 <Ampera> I really creeped out one of my friends. His reaction was hilarious :D
50:18 <rust2> I mean, great
50:27 <electrohead> Lol
50:31 <electrohead> Yeah my day was decent
50:40 <electrohead> I just want that damn weekend here, already
50:49 <Ampera> do you have monday off?
57:47 <MrMobodies> upgraded?
58:05 <Ampera> Hello MrMobodies how are you doing?
00:00 <MrMobodies> Okay
00:04 <MrMobodies> not much happening tonight
00:24 <MrMobodies> just came back from the local pubhouse with nothing happening there as well
00:33 <MrMobodies> but it is going to be very windy
00:48 <MrMobodies> 60mphs storms apparenty from to the weekend
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12:22 <MrMobodies> I have a question maybe it is my perception
12:59 <MrMobodies> does this lady's complexion look like something is not right.
13:19 <MrMobodies> https://metro.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/SEI_139917292-6905.jpg
13:40 <MrMobodies> The face at the sides not being consistent
13:47 <MrMobodies> the nose being so thin
13:57 <MrMobodies> and the lips
14:08 <MrMobodies> like the mouth won't close properly
14:32 <MrMobodies> I find it looks abnormal
15:23 <MrMobodies> wow, I see on close inspection, those are not eyelashes
15:35 <MrMobodies> it pen/paint
15:42 <MrMobodies> she pulled them out
16:11 <MrMobodies> it's from this article about a health prison officer
16:13 <MrMobodies> https://metro.co.uk/2023/01/11/healthcare-worker-jailed-for-smuggling-coke-and-ketamine-into-prison-18081745/
16:13 <EEVBot> [url] Healthcare worker jailed for smuggling coke and ketamine into prison | Metro News | metro.co.uk
16:48 <MrMobodies> I thought they were strict in prisons
17:02 <MrMobodies> when employing staff and contractors
28:54 <T3sl4> https://i.imgur.com/rp5Y1z4.mp4
29:03 <T3sl4> jerry has important business to share ^
32:52 * jaymax curls
35:46 <MrMobodies> what a nice cat
36:18 <MrMobodies> I read recently they are trying to make it law in the UK to microchip cats
36:59 <MrMobodies> in my previous area all sorts of cats go from house to house
37:07 <MrMobodies> we let them in, feed them and pet them
37:40 <MrMobodies> but what if some of them didn't have owners
38:09 <MrMobodies> and just relied on care from the residents in it's prefered location
38:57 <MrMobodies> they can't fine them if they are looking after them when the cat might want to leave at any moment
39:10 <MrMobodies> where it doesn't have a single owner
43:35 <MrMobodies> https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/uk-cat-owners-could-forced-28917098
43:35 <EEVBot> [url] All UK cat owners could be forced to microchip their pets soon - for a morbid reason - Mirror Online | www.mirror.co.uk
43:53 <MrMobodies> "Ms Antoniazzi said many people considered cats “as part of the family”, adding: “This, alongside their independent natures, inquisitiveness and aloofness has helped them to be one of our favourite pets."
44:26 <MrMobodies> What if the can't don't like it's owners. That means it won't be able to get away for good.
45:41 <MrMobodies> In my village before covid lockdown, the neighbour at the back of us reported her cat lost and put up poster.. It was found and returned, some weeks later it ran away again.
46:03 <MrMobodies> it was found again and escaped so they gave up on it in 2021
49:18 * electrohead curls jaymax
49:22 * electrohead films T3sl4
49:37 * T3sl4 microphones electrohead
50:00 * jaymax draws T3sl4
50:34 * T3sl4 britches jaymax
51:07 * jaymax tars and feathers T3sl4
51:24 <electrohead> !film
51:31 * T3sl4 turpentines and bleaches jaymax
51:35 <electrohead> ahh yeah, haven't done anything with that, yet
51:47 <jaymax> !davesay
51:48 <EEVBot> Made in the United States of 'murica.
51:54 <jaymax> Nice
53:14 <T3sl4> !cowsay !davesay
53:33 <jaymax> !eesay
53:37 <jaymax> !eevsay
53:52 <jaymax> !eevblogsay
53:53 * T3sl4 javas Ampera https://hackaday.com/2023/01/12/java-is-now-on-the-nintendo-64/
53:54 <EEVBot> [url] Java Is Now On The Nintendo 64! | Hackaday | hackaday.com
54:03 <jaymax> !help
54:03 <EEVBot> List of commands posted to https://0x0.st/oRUJ.txt - You can see more info about any of these commands by doing !help <command> (e.g. !help time)
54:38 <Ampera> I shoulda named my bunny MIPS
54:44 <jaymax> !engineersay
54:44 <EEVBot> I didn’t choose the engineer life, the engineer life chose me.
54:48 <jaymax> !engineersay
54:48 <EEVBot> My wife said to me that the spark between us had gone. So I tasered her. I’ll ask her again when she wakes up.
55:26 <jaymax> !balloons
55:26 * EEVBot ties jaymax to a stack of balloons, waits until an altitude of 500 feet, and snipes the balloons one by one!
55:46 <jaymax> !balloons T3sl4
55:46 * EEVBot shoves a few dozen balloons down T3sl4's throat, injecting them with air, and watching T3sl4 float away
55:54 <jaymax> !ymca
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56:30 <Halcyon> Oh gees
56:37 <jaymax> !rimshot Halcyon
56:37 <EEVBot> ba dum tss!
56:38 <Ampera> the temptation to ban the bot grows by the day
56:44 * Ampera kisses Halcyon 
56:49 <Ampera> how are you do friend?
57:02 <Halcyon> Not too bad, a little tired, should have gone to sleep earlier
57:38 <jaymax> !sick
57:39 <EEVBot> (-﹏-。)
57:50 <Ampera> yes, but then you'd have missed the antagonizing of sparkykopf
58:41 * electrohead tazes Ampera
58:51 * Ampera moans electrically
58:55 <electrohead> Lol
59:17 <electrohead> T3sl4: heh, I read that article at work
59:28 <T3sl4> \o/
59:29 <EEVBot> I
59:29 <EEVBot> < /
59:30 <electrohead> and found out, java "runs" on many older systems and game systems
00:00 <Ampera> wikipedia says java came out in 1995
00:01 * T3sl4 hugs Halcyon
00:04 <Ampera> a year before the N64 anyways
00:23 <Ampera> also there's a big difference between a JVM and a full blown java implementation
00:30 <T3sl4> i'm sure it showed up on the SGI promptly, wouldn't be a stretch to put it on N64, IO notwithstanding
01:01 <T3sl4> not to mention the difference between a compiler and a JITing VM
01:35 <T3sl4> it sounds like it's a mips compiler? which doesn't really mean anything for a static (ROM) target, but is also kinda cheating if so
03:54 <Halcyon> Awww hey T3sl4 :)
12:17 <MrMobodies> ! choose 1 or 2?
13:25 <Ampera> 1.5
23:08 <electrohead> -718.3471
30:30 <Halcyon> I should tear my christmas tree down
41:25 <jaymax> !roflcopter
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01:25 * steve30 prods Halcyon 
36:10 Quit: DHess_US ([email protected]) Quit: Later Synapsid Tetrapods
48:02 <Halcyon> Hey steve30 :)
48:46 <arch> !fart T3sl4
48:47 * EEVBot forces T3sl4 to bend over, and orders them to push hard
50:05 <steve30> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21a6yHSAcOM
50:05 <EEVBot> [YouTube] ⁨Абиссинская кошка с АВИТО по цене ЗЕРКАЛКИ!⁩ | 4m 55s | Channel: ⁨Илья Скатик⁩ | 37,616 views | 2020-09-17 - 17:59:32UTC
50:13 <steve30> I thought Halcyon might like that
55:05 <Halcyon> Why am I looking at a cat's asshole?
05:12 <steve30> cute cuddly kitty :)
18:53 * Halcyon pets steve30 
20:01 <steve30> *purr*
21:47 <Halcyon> I should go for walkies
25:48 <steve30> its windy here
27:49 * Halcyon cuddles
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25:35 <Halcyon> Oh gawd, what is this rubbish?
25:56 <Halcyon> A made of mine needed a new VDSL2 modem/router, so he got a TP-Link Deco to set up (the specs actually look pretty decent).
26:13 <Halcyon> But it forces you to download an app to your phone to perform the initial setup. No web interface.
34:11 <steve30> :S
43:21 * steve30 coffees
05:22 Quit: Bird|otherbox ([email protected]) Ping timeout: 121 seconds
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39:10 * Halcyon nuts
40:22 <Halcyon> I love macadamia nuts, they so buttery and delicious
52:54 <modrobert> Halcyon: being forced to use an app sucks, even when unintentional it has the effect of planned obsolescence
53:07 <Halcyon> Exactly right modrobert
53:45 <Halcyon> It's a terrible idea, the thing is, it HAS a web server, you launch it, it tells you to use the app, no way to bypass it from what I can see
56:58 <modrobert> i have the same problem with some cheap wifi extenders, horrible app solution
59:32 <modrobert> whenever the manufacturer decides to cancel the product, you're stuck with a brick, or at least something which can't be configured
00:11 <Halcyon> I mean I don't expect him to go out and buy an enterprise solution for his apartment, but that's pretty piss poor. At least give people the option
03:49 <modrobert> if it's optional with app it can be ok, if they make the solution stand alone, not "phoning home" like many products requiring a server for no apparent reason
04:33 <modrobert> server on internet*
04:47 <Halcyon> I was looking for a hidden link in really small font that said "Skip" or something, but nope.
11:12 Quit: DHess_US ([email protected]) Ping timeout: 121 seconds
12:40 <steve30> Halcyon, do you know what version of Quicktime i ought to have installed to use with Premiere CS5?
12:43 <modrobert> it's also bad from a security perspective, eg. you get a supply chain attack on the manufacturer
14:00 <modrobert> regarding the app
15:02 <Halcyon> Not sure Steve, I didn't think it relied on QT at all?
15:08 <modrobert> or comprised server for product internet updates
15:17 <modrobert> compromised*
16:55 <steve30> it uses quicktime encoders/decoders as ell as windows built in ones
17:57 <steve30> I just updated from version 6 to version 7. Seems OK now. I was trying to use Avid DNXHD codecs.
26:21 <K> hello cupboards
27:37 <Halcyon> Hello esky
29:02 <gremlinz> hi wingnuts
29:18 <Halcyon> Hey gremlinz
30:00 * gremlinz breathes a sigh of relief its the weekend
30:50 <K> it ain't over yet!
46:17 Quit: steve30 ([email protected]) Quit: <Baljem> steve30: by the way, I had the most bizarre dream the other day that someone came in here and seriously flipped their shit over your quit message and why aren't the ops /doing/ something about it
53:53 Join: steve30 ([email protected]) to #EEVblog
53:53 Mode: (by ChanOP) +o steve30
04:32 <steve30> ah ha, i finally managed to increase my Linux screen resolution to 1280x960
04:44 <steve30> Previously it was stuck at no higher than 1024x758
25:33 <K> glorious!
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53:03 <rust2> TADAA!
35:34 * K dings
35:49 <K> how was work?
47:35 <Ampera> good morning
49:13 <steve30> hi
49:28 * Ampera pets steve30 with a coffee
50:00 <steve30> *purr*
50:20 <Ampera> how are you doing steve30
51:05 <steve30> tired and cold
52:23 <steve30> i have some software compiling... its been going for over an hour
54:19 <steve30> ooh, its done
56:03 <K> watcha compiling?
56:11 <K> gentoo!
58:22 <steve30> a dependency of something
04:10 <Ampera> I remember going from an i7-4790k to an R9-3950X. Compiling chrome went from 8 hours down to under 1
21:48 * electrohead disassembles Ampera
23:04 * Ampera smooches electrohead right on his cute dumb face
23:09 <Ampera> how are you doing sparkykopf?
24:40 <jaymax> Daft Spunk? https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/national-international/watch-florida-dominatrix-group-demands-250000-dungeon-from-local-city-council/2936460/
24:40 <EEVBot> [url] Florida Dominatrix Group Demands Taxpayer Money For Dungeon From Local City Council – NBC 6 South Florida | www.nbcmiami.com
29:40 <electrohead> tired as fuck, want to go back to bed
29:50 <Halcyon> Evening strumpets
29:53 <electrohead> yet .. I slept a solid 9 or 10 hours
29:59 <Halcyon> electrohead, you didn't respond to my message
30:11 <electrohead> which one? on signal, or here?
30:17 <steve30> hi Halcyon
30:22 <Halcyon> Signal
30:24 <electrohead> I totally fell asleep, and hard
30:25 <Halcyon> Hey steve30
30:26 <electrohead> lol
30:29 * electrohead looks
30:31 <Halcyon> Uhhh
30:33 <Halcyon> :P
30:51 <Halcyon> Normally I have morning wood, not evening wood
31:08 <electrohead> awe, kitty!
32:22 <Halcyon> What's doing electrohead ?
32:25 <Halcyon> Not working today?
32:45 <electrohead> Yeah I'm working today
32:48 <electrohead> it's 0630 here
32:52 <Halcyon> Oh right
33:15 <electrohead> I'm leaving early, however
33:17 <Halcyon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOqiFaTylD0
33:17 <EEVBot> [YouTube] ⁨Can WILD Cockatoos use TOOLS?⁩ | 14m 51s | Channel: ⁨Maker's Muse⁩ | 224,728 views | 2022-12-21 - 13:17:12UTC
42:35 <electrohead> birbs.
43:34 * Ampera kisses Halcyon 
43:35 <Ampera> <3
43:38 <Ampera> how are you doing hal?
44:00 <Halcyon> I'm good
44:03 <Halcyon> A bit pooped
44:07 <Halcyon> How are you/
44:09 <Halcyon> ?
45:05 <Ampera> still booting up
54:48 <electrohead> we're dual booting, lol
56:32 * Ampera lapsangs
12:47 <Halcyon> Is Ampera "docking" you electrohead ?
13:00 <Ampera> hehehe
16:26 <T3sl4> incorrect sub https://www.reddit.com/r/StupidFood/comments/10agkfl/seems_like_stupid_food_but_the_kids_love_it_kraft/
16:29 <EEVBot> [reddit] Seems like stupid food, but the kids love it. Kraft Mac & Cheese with hot dogs. Wrapped in a tortilla, grilled in a panini press. ('ಠ_ಠ' flair) (https://i.redd.it/58kv8cgm3rba1.jpg) to r/StupidFood | 7933 points (94.0%) | 718 comments | Posted by autistic_agronomist | Created at 2023-01-12 - 19:00:14CST
16:47 <Ampera> I see no problems with this
17:03 <Ampera> it's like a toast sandwich
17:06 <Ampera> it's all about the texture
17:57 <Halcyon> My only concern is the use of low-quality ingredients, but good meat coupled with good mac and cheese is fucking amazing
18:30 <Halcyon> I've had smoked brisket with macaroni and cheese and I wanted to cum
18:31 <Ampera> Halcyon, you are categorically incorrect
18:37 <Ampera> it's literally the definition of comfort food
18:57 <Halcyon> Comfort food doesn't necessarily equal "processed shit out of a packet"
19:14 <Ampera> It does if that's what comfort is to you
19:25 <Halcyon> Considering a quick mac and cheese takes as long to make from proper ingredients, then it is out of a box.
19:41 <Ampera> It's pretentious to assume people had rich childhoods with parents who'd never stoop to the level of a box of mac & cheese
20:07 <Halcyon> Cheese, butter, pasta, sour cream and patry items are not expensive
20:21 <Ampera> Actually they are
20:26 <Halcyon> And arguably, per-kilogram is actually more efficent.
20:44 <Ampera> Cheese is insanely expensive
21:10 <Ampera> you also need to either make a proper cheese sauce, which is a high skill, high effort task, or use some sort of softener (like what's found in american cheese)
21:29 <Halcyon> You can supplement cheese with cream. You could make a whole pot of pasta and cheese sauce with as little as a half a cup of cheese or less
21:35 <Ampera> Cream is also expensive.
22:02 <Ampera> I'd also argue there's nothing wrong with boxed mac and cheese in its own right
22:11 <Ampera> I've eaten it plenty of times and enjoy it, and so have millions of kids across the US
22:23 <Ampera> it doesn't have to be high quality to be enjoyable
22:32 <Halcyon> Define expensive. Sour cream is like $1 per 100 grams
22:57 <Ampera> going rate these days is probably around 3-5 dollars/US pint
23:47 <Halcyon> 1/2 a kilogram of cream goes a long way
23:57 <Ampera> who the fuck measures liquids by weight
24:07 <Ampera> I have no idea what half a kilogram or half a pound of cream even is
24:12 <Halcyon> Chefs
24:18 <Halcyon> And people who use scales
24:19 <Ampera> I'm not a chef
24:27 <Ampera> and nobody cooks by scale in the US
24:37 <Halcyon> Except most professional chefs
24:55 <Ampera> who aren't going to be your average mom cooking jimmy an after school snack :)
25:35 <Ampera> Boxed mac and cheese is incredibly cheap here. A cheap box can probably be had for a quarter or so.
25:35 <Halcyon> I mean, each to their own
25:52 <Halcyon> Measuring stuff using a cheap set of kitchen scales is far more accurate than eye-balling it
26:13 <Ampera> Sure, but most food doesn't require accuracy.
26:29 <Halcyon> I'd agree with that
26:36 <Halcyon> Near enough is good enough for most people
26:54 <Ampera> I'd also argue that for a lot of liquids, weighing it out is not accurate nor easy either
27:04 <Ampera> you can't exactly (rationally) pour milk back into the bottle :P
27:16 <Halcyon> You literally need to things, a container and a scale
27:24 <Halcyon> Pour until numbers equal your target
27:29 <Halcyon> Then stop pouring
27:35 <electrohead> Lmfao
27:44 <electrohead> I'm off to work, later homeslices o/
27:45 <Ampera> Now I've gone 20 grams over and it only called for 250
27:53 <Ampera> Not very accurate :)
27:57 <Halcyon> Then get better at pouring?
28:02 <Halcyon> What can I say
28:13 <Halcyon> Cya electrohead, use protection
28:16 <Ampera> or, and hear me out, you get a measuring device which shows you with a line the point where you have enough
28:32 <electrohead> I'll try to :p
28:41 <Halcyon> Yeh which depending on brand/batch/whatever variances can be accurate or way off
28:59 <Halcyon> Then you also have to decant that into another container for the end mix/product
29:08 <Ampera> decant?
29:12 <Ampera> ok i'm ending this discussion
29:20 <Halcyon> Well I assume you usually want to mix more than 1 thing?
29:47 <Ampera> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decantation
29:47 <EEVBot> [wikipedia] Decantation | "Decantation is a process for the separation of mixtures of immiscible liquids or of a liquid and a solid mixture such as a suspension. The layer closer to the top of the container—the less dense of the two liquids, or the liquid from which the precipitate or sediment has settled out—is poured off, leaving the other component or the denser liquid of the mixture behind. An incomplete separation is witnessed during the […]"
30:34 <Halcyon> I'll use the dictionary instead of Wikipedia thank you
30:59 <Ampera> https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/decant
30:59 <EEVBot> [url] Decant Definition & Meaning - Merriam-Webster | www.merriam-webster.com
31:05 <Halcyon> Decant can mean seperating solids from liquids (or liquids of different viscosities) but it also means transfer of a substance into another container.
31:21 <Ampera> it has a specific meaning
31:26 <Halcyon> For example, decanting a product from one big bottle into a smaller vessel
31:31 <Ampera> you could have just said "pour"
31:40 <Ampera> like a normal person :P
31:54 <Halcyon> Decant/pour/transfer/dump
31:59 <Halcyon> Same same
32:15 <Ampera> anyways, a cheap scale can be just as off as a cheap measuring cup
32:31 <Halcyon> So stop being cheap? :P
32:39 <Ampera> correct?
32:49 <Ampera> thanks for invalidating your own argument?
32:59 <Halcyon> I invalidated nothing
33:13 <Ampera> "Yeh which depending on brand/batch/whatever variances can be accurate or way off"
33:22 <Ampera> applies equally to scales and graduated vessels
33:31 <Halcyon> I just said, good meat and good mac and cheese is way better
33:42 <Halcyon> If you like packet stuff, knock yourself out
34:28 <Ampera> No, you insisted that there was no reason to use it, and that making it yourself was always cheaper and just as easy.
35:14 <Halcyon> I didn't say that
35:32 <Halcyon> But in my experience (and sure, that varies on location), it is cheaper to make from scratch
35:35 <Ampera> "Considering a quick mac and cheese takes as long to make from proper ingredients, then it is out of a box."
35:41 <Halcyon> Yep
35:50 <Ampera> Cheese, butter, pasta, sour cream and patry items are not expensive. And arguably, per-kilogram is actually more efficent.
36:13 <Ampera> It's blatantly untrue here
36:29 <Halcyon> The cheapest box of Kraft goop is about $1.61 per 100 grams
37:10 <Ampera> here it's about 0.20USD/100g, give or take
37:30 <Ampera> add a bit for butter and milk
37:53 <Ampera> boxes are typically 200g
38:24 <Halcyon> Well I stand corrected then (from your perspective). Here (typically) fast/highly process foods are more expensive than fresh ingredients. It's just people pay the premium out of laziness/lack of skill/not knowing better
39:41 <Ampera> anyways, next point of complaint
39:47 <Ampera> my IRC client quits on Ctrl+Q
39:50 <Halcyon> My foot hurts?
40:04 <Ampera> which I occasionally hit when I go for Ctrl+A to select all text in the entry field
41:14 <Halcyon> Get a customisable keyboard and move the Q further away?
41:20 <Halcyon> I dunno? Is that a thing?
41:40 * Ampera pours Halcyon a cup of lapsang souchong
41:56 <Halcyon> Don't swear at me
42:05 <T3sl4> electrohead: so GDQ is about to run that almost-eponymous game ElecHead https://www.twitch.tv/gamesdonequick
42:06 <EEVBot> [url] Twitch | www.twitch.tv
42:06 <Ampera> have you not had lapsang souchong?
42:15 <T3sl4> if you need to waste some time getting started at work ;)
42:26 <Halcyon> I probably have but I'm not a massive tea drinker
42:36 <T3sl4> lapdance longschlong?
42:40 <Halcyon> T3sl4, he is at the shops buying a can of Monster
42:44 <Ampera> you're a massive slut, that's basically the same thing
42:46 <Halcyon> I literally just got a photo
43:24 <Ampera> energy drinks are nasty shit
43:31 <Ampera> literal toxic waste in a can
43:32 <Halcyon> Correct
43:42 <Ampera> black tea is the only true energy drink
43:53 <Halcyon> + black coffee
44:02 <Ampera> incorrect
44:05 <Ampera> coffee is bad
44:17 <Ampera> I don't like it so obviously that means you can't either
47:27 * Halcyon wines Ampera
49:40 <T3sl4> doubling up on the w(h)ine doesn't seem like a great idea
51:49 <Ampera> actually I'm 21 soon
51:52 <Ampera> you could very well do that soon
52:17 <Halcyon> Oh I forgot you can't drink yet
52:23 <Ampera> I can
52:30 <Halcyon> Also for some reason I thought you were 21 already
52:35 <Ampera> it's just illegal for me to be furnished alcohol except by a parent/guardian
52:55 <Halcyon> What if I just send it to you in the post?
53:01 <Halcyon> Address it to "Ampera"
53:06 <Halcyon> What they gonna do?
53:32 <Ampera> Extradite you and execute you summarily
53:52 <Halcyon> Hahaha
54:03 <Halcyon> Free trip to the USA. Weeeeee
54:22 <Ampera> private jet too
54:30 <K> lotsa legroom!
54:48 <Halcyon> Seems like a waste, we just use commercial flights here
54:53 <Halcyon> Cheaper
55:43 <Ampera> today is use the macintosh day
55:52 <Ampera> at least it's not use the thinkpad day
56:05 <Ampera> actually it might be, I take that back
57:12 <Halcyon> Did the Apple shit itself?
57:30 <Ampera> no, but I may have to go do something that requires my work thinkpad
58:51 <Halcyon> I was going to go to bed by midnight, but that's in a minute so that's unlikely to happen
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