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00:12:19 <Ysjoelfir> ok, i think I am done with the telly stuff. now.... I need to find 3 switches that give the best mix of performance and price
00:13:47 <Ysjoelfir> I wondered a bit, when I looked at the 48x switches in the 350 to 500 euro range, most of them have SFP+ ports, but none of them state the maximum speed of the SFP+ ports. and rarely you see a information about the maximum switching capacity. is it correct that this raises an eyebrow, Halcyon?
00:26:12 <Ysjoelfir> or... Ampera, or jaymax, or whoever has any knowledge about network stuff?
00:26:54 <Ampera> My hunch is that most switches can switch full speed to/from any port. I wonder if there's a term for that functionality, and if those listings say that term, but you (and I) just don't know that term
00:27:23 <Ampera> Are these 48x switches all SFP+?
00:27:31 <Ampera> or is the SFP+ just to connect the gigabit ports
00:30:19 <Ampera> I have been saved
00:30:23 <Ampera> someone brought me the tea I forgot from home
00:30:24 <Ampera> :)
00:31:23 <Ysjoelfir> My idea is to have 3 48 port gigabit switches in the three locations in the company, and to connect them using a fiber. I assumed that I would need SFP+ ports capable of delivering more than just gigabit, to take advantage of that. the switches I looked at all have SFP+ ports, but no speed specs. the first one I found is a DLink for 577€ that states 10GBit/s over SFP+
00:31:36 <Ysjoelfir> no way? you have a private tea service? so cool!
00:31:42 <Ampera> SFP+ is 10Gbit
00:31:45 <Ampera> that's what SFP+ means
00:32:31 Nick: modrober1 is now known as modrobert
00:32:32 <Ampera> The presence of such a port on a gigabit switch would, in my mind, imply that it could carry 10gbit of traffic between the gigabit ports (obviously to multiple ports at once, not any one port)
00:32:34 <Ampera> murderbot
00:32:51 <Ampera> the lack of such a feature would be a significant contravention of the whole point of the device
00:33:11 <Ampera> So, in general, I'd assume yes it can, but checking is always nice.
00:33:33 <Ampera> If it's a gigabit switch, the switching capacity is most likely high to the point where listing it is a bit obvious, since gigabit is kinda slow
00:33:54 <Ampera> but this is based off assertions, not experience
00:34:31 <Ysjoelfir> so you say.... if I use eg. the DLink DGS-1210 it shoud perform well? https://eu.dlink.com/de/de/-/media/business_products/dgs/dgs-1210/datasheet/dgs_1210_series_g1_datasheet_en_eu.pdf
00:34:32 <Ysjoelfir> I mean
00:34:53 <Ysjoelfir> I had the same impression, like, if it has a SFP+ port, it should be able to do more than gigabit. but... this irritated me
00:35:10 <Ampera> it says switching capacity right on there
00:35:35 <Ampera> 104gbps is well in excess of what you could reasonably use across all 48+4 ports
00:35:43 <Ampera> HOWEVER
00:35:55 <Ampera> Those are SFP ports, not SFP+, and can't carry 10GbE
00:38:31 <Ysjoelfir> yes, thats what I meant. it says a total switching capacity, but nothing about the SFP Ports specific. (huh? my supplier listed that under SFP+.... ok, that clarifies that.)
00:38:39 <Ampera> yes it does
00:38:46 <Ampera> the spec sheet says SFP up to 1000mbps
00:38:46 <Ysjoelfir> hm?
00:38:59 <Ampera> "• 4 x Combo 10/100/1000BASE-T/SFP ports"
00:40:12 <Ysjoelfir> I assumed that it was to be read as "combinational port, 10/100/1000 copper OR *unspecified* SFP"
00:40:22 <Ysjoelfir> not that the speed was also for the SFP
00:40:28 <Ysjoelfir> but good, that makes sense than
00:40:35 <Ampera> SFP does not imply physical media
00:40:35 <Ysjoelfir> thanks :)
00:40:39 <Ysjoelfir> I kno
00:40:40 <Ysjoelfir> w
00:40:43 <Ampera> the whole point of SFP is that you can plug all sorts of physical media into it
00:41:02 <Ampera> and there is no such thing as a combo SFP port you can plug "copper" into
00:41:09 <Ysjoelfir> yep. I think what threw me off was that "combo" there.
00:41:36 <Ysjoelfir> what else would be "combo"? I mean, SFP is in itself interchangeable, but what is the combination factor there?
00:41:38 <Ampera> wait
00:41:41 <Ampera> BASE-T?
00:41:46 <Ysjoelfir> yes.
00:41:57 <Ampera> this is a weird ass spec sheet
00:42:02 <Ysjoelfir> you see what I mean? XD
00:42:21 <Ampera> The only thing I can think is maybe those ports are shared with 4 BASE-T ports
00:42:28 <Ampera> so you can use either the BASE-T port or the SFP port
00:42:33 <Ampera> either way, it's a 1 gigabit port
00:42:54 <Ysjoelfir> its a strange thing.... ok. I search a bit more.
00:43:09 <Ysjoelfir> I found that one already, but its a tad on the pricey side for my taste: https://www.dlink.com/en/products/dgs-1250-52x-52-port-10-gigabit-smart-managed-switch
00:43:23 <EEVBot> [url] DGS-1250-52X 52-Port 10-Gigabit Smart Managed Switch | D-Link | www.dlink.com
00:43:25 <Ysjoelfir> (i know, 577 is not pricey in enterprise stuff)
00:43:53 <Ampera> reasonably cheap
00:44:07 <Ampera> I've heard bad things about D-Link in the past, so I don't know how good it will be
00:44:13 <Ampera> that being said, it will probably switch, so whatever
00:44:34 <Ampera> This product page says 4x10G SFP+,so it should be able to do 10gbit
00:49:46 <Ysjoelfir> I haven't been a DLink fan either. but the next step up would be a zyxel and than an ubiquitz for very expensive. not that much to choose from at this supplier imho
00:49:59 <Ysjoelfir> https://www.galaxus.de/de/s1/producttype/netzwerk-switch-93?filter=nr_7979%3D1000000%3A200000000000%2Cnr_11624%3D35%3A256%2Ct_7982%3D1206919&so=5
00:50:21 <Ampera> Check their return policy to see if you can get a sample unit or to try one out (even a smaller one out)
00:50:32 <Ampera> just to make sure the interface doesn't suck and you know how to use it
00:50:59 <Ysjoelfir> you can, thats actually pretty easy in germany.
00:51:20 <Ampera> well so is eating currywurst
00:51:37 <Ysjoelfir> thats not easy
00:51:45 <Ysjoelfir> at least not if you want to eat GOOD currywurst
00:51:53 <Ysjoelfir> you have to go to the Rheinland.
00:52:05 <Ampera> all of our currywurst is awful
00:52:08 <Ampera> nobody knows what it is
00:52:22 <Ampera> you will get an entire bratwurst covered in curry sauce (not catsup) on a bed of fries
00:52:31 <Ampera> have fun eating it without utensils :)
00:52:47 <Ampera> they don't even give you one of the little forks to help
00:53:08 <Ysjoelfir> lol. how stupid
00:54:00 <Ampera> curry really isn't a thing here. Most of it is indian/pakistani, and typically a bit closer to its ethnic origins than the derivatives there are in Europe
00:55:02 <Ampera> goddamit now I'm hungry >:(
00:59:19 <Ysjoelfir> which basically means like.... extremely spicey? and yes, I am hungry as well
00:59:54 <Ampera> Depends. My local curry place isn't spicy at all
01:00:05 <Ampera> his is a brown curry, very tasty, but not that spicy
01:22:59 <Ysjoelfir> Ampera, do you know if there are known incompatibilities using non manufacturer branded SFP+ modules in switches? I don't think I can justify roughly 1500€ for 6 SFP+ modules xD
01:25:32 <Ampera> Ysjoelfir, yes, it's extremely common
01:25:47 <Ampera> you should look heavily into module compatibility in your switch
01:25:52 <Ysjoelfir> fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu ._.
01:26:01 <Ysjoelfir> why must it be always so complicated
01:26:36 <Ampera> Cisco branded 10GBASE-SR transceivers are ~10$/pop off ebay
01:26:54 <Ysjoelfir> yep
01:26:59 <Ysjoelfir> dlink branded ones are 273
01:28:30 <Ysjoelfir> hm. found a shop that sells "d-link compatible" ones for 40.
01:28:33 <Ysjoelfir> thats... betterer
01:44:47 <Ampera> Factor it into your price, and evaluate that against other switch options
01:51:24 <Ysjoelfir> which also have probably some proprietary compatible stuff, don't they?
01:52:22 <Ampera> Not all switches lock down the transceivers, but I believe a lot do
01:52:43 <Ampera> It requires some research I suppose. I've never bought a 10GbE switch, only ever sorta made my own
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03:23:51 <steve30> o/
03:25:39 <steve30> There was a sign up in the market about sexual health, and it said that PREP is free on the NHS. I'm curious as to why its free when you have to pay for every other drug
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05:19:38 <MrMobodies> what is that about sexual health and it being free?
05:19:59 <MrMobodies> I was even lucky to get my prespriction I couldn't get for love or money
05:19:59 <Ampera> yeah sex isn't free
05:20:03 <Ampera> I've always had to pay a lot of money for it
05:20:53 <MrMobodies> oh
05:20:53 <MrMobodies> https://www.nhs.uk/nhs-services/sexual-health-services/guide-to-sexual-health-services/
05:20:54 <EEVBot> [url] Guide to sexual health services - NHS | www.nhs.uk
05:20:59 <MrMobodies> it's just advice from the GP
05:21:19 <MrMobodies> for those who have complications during the pregnancy process
05:21:29 <MrMobodies> and the diseases that may follow it
05:21:45 <rust0> always sit on warm rocks
05:21:49 <MrMobodies> if not using the rubbery contraception thigy
05:22:08 <MrMobodies> "If you have a disability and have special requirements, or if English is not your first language, you should speak to the staff at the clinic before visiting."
05:22:26 <MrMobodies> Wow, I have a disability and I had to beg at the counter
05:22:39 <MrMobodies> and I only got to speak to a nurse about my chest infection
05:22:50 <MrMobodies> for a prespriction
05:22:59 <MrMobodies> which is better than nothing I suppose
05:23:54 <MrMobodies> no GP visit BUT I got something that i know wors
05:23:56 <MrMobodies> *works
05:24:21 <MrMobodies> and I was worried i would have the same old argument but not this time
05:24:38 <MrMobodies> I think there is so much chaos at the moment with the GP services and NHS
05:24:57 <MrMobodies> they'll just prescribe whatever you had even if the CCG's banned it
05:25:02 <MrMobodies> to get rid of you
05:25:13 <MrMobodies> due to the amount of patients they have to phone
05:25:44 <MrMobodies> I mean they banned certain medications on the NHS to try and bring the costs down
05:27:22 <arch> Ampera, you would have to pay me a lot of money to fuck you :D
05:27:26 <MrMobodies> https://www.nhs.uk/common-health-questions/medicines/why-cant-i-get-prescription-over-counter-medicine/
05:27:26 <EEVBot> [url] Why can't I get a prescription for an over the counter medicine? - NHS | www.nhs.uk
05:27:38 <MrMobodies> they tell you to go over the counter
05:27:47 <Ampera> arch, I'll pay you the cost of breakfast in NYC
05:27:52 <arch> deal
05:27:53 <MrMobodies> and they won't of course prescribe over the counter things of course
05:27:55 <Ampera> <3
05:27:55 * EEVBot loves all over Ampera
05:28:06 <Ampera> how are you doing arch
05:28:15 <arch> first day of work after vacay =(
05:28:28 <Ampera> I found a really simple solution to that
05:28:31 <Ampera> simply don't take a vacation :D
05:28:45 <MrMobodies> I like that advice
05:28:53 <MrMobodies> maybe i should do the same at christmas
05:29:03 <MrMobodies> so I don't stuff myself silly and become sick
05:29:21 <MrMobodies> that's what normally happens at Christmas
05:29:44 <arch> you must be german
05:29:52 <MrMobodies> I am English
05:29:55 <arch> work work work! *Halo elites voice*
05:30:12 <Ampera> arch, me?
05:30:13 <MrMobodies> Ampera, I thought you said something about being part German?
05:30:14 <Ampera> yeah, I am
05:30:38 <Ampera> >= 50% german
05:30:38 <arch> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6uQCfmsljA
05:30:39 <EEVBot> [url] Wort Wort Wort - YouTube | www.youtube.com
05:30:42 <MrMobodies> My mum use to be a nurse, she once worked with a German doctor
05:30:51 <MrMobodies> he was on visit hired by the NHS
05:30:55 <MrMobodies> very tall
05:31:00 <MrMobodies> they called him the gentle giant
05:31:12 <MrMobodies> but he refused to inject fat people
05:31:14 <Ampera> did he carry a medigun?
05:31:17 <Ampera> nope
05:31:20 <Ampera> I guess not then
05:31:24 <MrMobodies> he would say "She's too fat, I can't inject her"
05:31:32 <MrMobodies> "It can cause problems"
05:31:38 <arch> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TL6LdQU_Uu4
05:31:38 <EEVBot> [url] Halo Elites have a heated debate - YouTube | www.youtube.com
05:31:39 <MrMobodies> and a dark tone
05:31:51 * Ampera ubercharges arch
05:32:01 <MrMobodies> "she has to loose some weight first before I can insert this needle"
05:32:23 <MrMobodies> someone else had a go and they struggled finding a vein
05:32:52 <MrMobodies> I think he was worried about liability if he made a mistake
05:33:10 <Ampera> that's not how they go here
05:33:23 <Ampera> they take the sewing machine approach to finding a vein
05:34:09 <MrMobodies> I see a different approach
05:34:27 <MrMobodies> they just dont stick in you
05:35:49 <MrMobodies> I am hoping to get a good night sleep
05:36:02 <MrMobodies> now this cough and the attacks of it is coming to an end
05:36:12 <MrMobodies> I have been sleeping on my chair for a week
05:36:56 <MrMobodies> my throat has this aggravating sensation when lying down
05:37:17 <MrMobodies> and I hear others have experienced the same thing
05:37:51 <MrMobodies> the chair is comfortable
05:37:57 <MrMobodies> but I am more worried about my back
05:38:38 <rust0> try squats and deadlifts. they are good
05:39:22 <MrMobodies> I do have some dumbells
05:39:33 <MrMobodies> but squats seem something I could do
05:39:56 <rust0> just move. does nto matter what you do
05:40:28 <MrMobodies> I have a question about women
05:40:31 <MrMobodies> but not all of them
05:40:41 <MrMobodies> why is it, that some of them have these bums
05:40:42 <Ampera> don't we all
05:40:44 <MrMobodies> that stick out so much
05:40:45 <rust0> and also not just one of them?
05:40:55 <MrMobodies> https://images-stylist.s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/app/uploads/2021/09/02161905/squats.jpg
05:40:57 <Ampera> genetics?
05:41:00 <MrMobodies> like hen looking at squats
05:41:04 * Ampera is not clicking that link at work
05:41:15 <MrMobodies> and men seem to be very straight looking
05:41:25 <Ampera> women tend to have wider hips
05:41:29 <MrMobodies> but some women look a bit bent
05:41:33 <MrMobodies> aaah
05:42:18 <MrMobodies> the one in that link looks to me like she could go hopping comfortably all day long
05:42:37 <MrMobodies> and she'd be balanced perfectly for that kind of thing
05:42:48 <MrMobodies> https://images-stylist.s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/app/uploads/2021/09/02161905/squats.jpg
05:43:34 <MrMobodies> in fact I just ate
05:43:41 <MrMobodies> and I am feeling tired right now so
05:43:47 <MrMobodies> I'd recline the chair
05:44:03 <rust0> yes, right after your little workout
05:44:05 <MrMobodies> stick my legs up under the desk, take of my glasses and rest head on the headrest
05:44:45 <MrMobodies> I am feeling to damn lazy at the moment, I didn't get good sleep
05:44:56 <MrMobodies> woke up at 4am and it is now 18:44pm
05:45:09 <MrMobodies> maybe when I wake up
05:45:40 <rust0> oh, so you sleep every day?
05:46:01 <MrMobodies> not normally since I had this chest infection
05:46:12 <MrMobodies> I'd sleep three times a day at odd hours
05:46:24 <MrMobodies> on my chair after I coughed all the flem
05:46:33 <MrMobodies> but now it doesn't seemm that bad
05:46:44 <rust0> you should only need to sleep every other day
05:47:24 <MrMobodies> I am hoping to go to sleep normally tomorrow
05:47:33 <MrMobodies> in my bed not the chair
05:47:37 <MrMobodies> without the throat irritation
05:47:52 <MrMobodies> I noticed when I have a got drink
05:47:55 <MrMobodies> or a shower
05:48:06 <MrMobodies> the steam aggravates it
05:48:59 <rust0> well, it is just you trying to get rid of crap, so that can be a good thing, I guess?
05:49:14 <MrMobodies> well I hope it stops coming back
05:49:21 <MrMobodies> it like the last phase of the cold
05:49:28 <MrMobodies> but keeps on returning
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06:27:11 <rust0> oh, yes interesting, and why do you think your lake is full of water?
06:36:06 <Ysjoelfir> lol
09:29:51 <electrohead> o/
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09:38:02 <jaymax> What's all this about?
09:38:18 <electrohead> The bot just doing bot things.
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09:38:44 <rust0> why is daves twatter links broken?
09:38:56 <electrohead> Essentially, a minor logic bug, that I've grown to love lol
09:38:58 <electrohead> rust0: hrmm?
09:38:59 <jaymax> Every fifth person drawn reacts?
09:39:44 <electrohead> jaymax: for the stick figures, it has to be in the format of <, >, \, /, -
09:39:55 <electrohead> and the 'o' needs to be in the middle
09:39:59 <electrohead> -o-
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09:40:16 <rust0> old bot was always spamming me with twatter links, when the dave posted something there.
09:40:40 <jaymax> Tweet2irc
09:41:01 <rust0> how did you fix that?
09:41:17 <jaymax> DampEra never wanted it back.
09:41:44 <rust0> I did not want it back either. I used to just ignore the bot
09:41:56 <rust0> now, it is almost ok
09:42:09 <rust0> it is still missing the map function
09:57:04 <electrohead> yeah I don't have the twitter link spamming feature currently enabled on the new bot
09:57:06 <electrohead> :p
09:58:18 <steve30> I quite liked the twitter thing, as long as dave isn't twittering too much
09:58:53 <electrohead> with the old bot, it could be turned on/off
09:59:00 <electrohead> was ops only, though, that could do that
10:11:40 <Halcyon> Morning all
10:15:23 <electrohead> !love Halcyon
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10:15:28 <electrohead> lol
10:15:30 <electrohead> hey mate
10:52:49 <jaymax> https://files.maxuel.compy.ca:5281/upload/DrbSl_IbdSSadEBd/TmfBAZQCRaO2ykOBD0uRVA.jpg
10:53:03 <jaymax> Not much potential.
10:54:13 <electrohead> Lol
10:55:15 <Halcyon> Hey electrohead sorry, was in a call
10:55:23 <electrohead> You better be sorry :P
10:56:10 <jaymax> electrohead I dont believe Halcyon is Canadian.
10:56:37 <jaymax> No need to be sorry. That's my thang.
10:56:49 * electrohead points at jaymax's thang
10:57:05 <jaymax> Ah! Sorry.
10:57:12 * jaymax softens up.
10:57:29 <jaymax> Also covers up.
11:00:51 <steve30> hi
11:03:32 <jaymax> Hey steve30
11:48:03 <electrohead> Lol
11:48:11 <MrMobodies> Free of charge
11:48:15 <MrMobodies> I like that
11:49:33 <MrMobodies> one amazon reviewer did just that
11:49:35 <MrMobodies> https://www.amazon.com/gp/customer-reviews/RWPOHOEJ6CMHM/ref=cm_cr_dp_d_rvw_ttl?ie=UTF8&ASIN=B08LCV47YW
11:49:35 <EEVBot> [url] Amazon.com | www.amazon.com
11:50:00 <MrMobodies> I am not sure if they exploded in his device or not
11:50:13 <MrMobodies> but rather return or bin the rest
11:50:32 <MrMobodies> he took the effort to remove the rest from the package
11:50:41 <MrMobodies> put them in the box
11:51:08 <MrMobodies> where most of them shorted and gave up their charge
11:51:31 <MrMobodies> https://www.eevblog.com/forum/dodgy-technology/comedy-amazon-review/
11:51:32 <EEVBot> [url] Comedy- Amazon review - Page 1 | www.eevblog.com
11:51:43 <MrMobodies> https://i.imgur.com/gehVIz3.jpg
11:52:24 <electrohead> well having batteries in a case, not protected (as in, at least covered in tape or the packaging) .. well
11:52:26 <electrohead> lol
11:52:53 <MrMobodies> 200 batteries in Childproof packaging
11:53:02 <MrMobodies> I had some of those and not easy
11:53:11 <MrMobodies> so he went to a lot of effort
11:54:46 <MrMobodies> it quite clearly says on the packaging
11:54:48 <MrMobodies> https://i.imgur.com/on7LjVN.png
11:55:03 <MrMobodies> and in Chinglish
11:55:04 <electrohead> "you can't fix stupid"
11:55:05 <jaymax> https://imgur.com/gallery/qsDvBFz
11:55:05 <EEVBot> [url] Little purse lion - Album on Imgur | imgur.com
11:55:33 <MrMobodies> Joke: like Trump?
11:55:55 <MrMobodies> what an interesting garment for a cat
11:56:00 <MrMobodies> a cat in a bag
11:56:14 <jaymax> But no river to be found.
11:56:31 <MrMobodies> I don't think Trump is all that stupid
11:56:58 <MrMobodies> they say he as "superior intelligence" when it comes to real estate
11:57:18 <MrMobodies> and leasing land
11:57:47 <MrMobodies> he just acts it I supposr
11:57:56 <jaymax> His ego is of the type that under his shit attitude, he's boring. Like AOC.
11:58:15 <MrMobodies> I rememered this before he got in
11:58:17 <MrMobodies> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f61Q2lDpykQ
11:58:17 <EEVBot> [url] FORREST TRUMP - Newzoids - YouTube | www.youtube.com
11:58:31 <jaymax> Neither are worth talking about.
11:59:07 <MrMobodies> that one has the cat on his head not in a bag.
12:00:17 <MrMobodies> I mean in his hair
12:01:23 <electrohead> jaymax: kitty!
12:01:25 <electrohead> <3
12:01:25 * EEVBot loves all over electrohead
12:20:37 <jaymax> #|======D <
12:24:06 <electrohead> <========D
12:24:07 * EEVBot <3
12:24:10 <electrohead> rofl
12:24:17 <electrohead> I should fix that
12:24:20 <electrohead> yet .. it's too funny
12:25:44 <jaymax> <D
12:25:44 * EEVBot sicks Halcyon on jaymax
12:26:04 * jaymax is stumped
12:26:21 <electrohead> bad regex, whoops
12:26:33 <jaymax> s/sicks/sics/
12:26:34 <Halcyon> Hahah
12:26:59 <jaymax> Unless Halcyon is supposed to barf on me.
12:27:20 <jaymax> But that seems like an Ampera thing
12:27:35 * jaymax offers carrots just in case.
12:27:41 <electrohead> Lol
12:47:12 * EEVBot slides a cup of joe to steve30
12:50:16 <arch> \o_
12:50:16 <EEVBot> I
12:50:17 <EEVBot> / \
12:52:27 <jaymax> \oD
12:52:45 <jaymax> Thankfulnesses
12:57:25 * arch rubs sweaty man boobs on jaymax's face
12:58:36 <jaymax> My own, right?
13:10:45 <jaymax> https://files.maxuel.compy.ca:5281/upload/ZSGbeSQ_yTEI7VYv/mbIuIJwPTqiHLB7gmFvWpg.jpg
13:11:17 <jaymax> Usually an exercise ball rests in that shoebox lid.
13:11:35 <jaymax> But its a good warm place for a kitty.
13:12:20 <jaymax> Hot water baseboard warm. <3
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14:21:45 * steve30 can't sleep
14:47:52 * arch pets steve30
14:48:24 <steve30> *purr*
16:33:42 <arch> T3sl4, you there?
16:34:14 <T3sl4> buh
16:34:26 <arch> so i simulated your led light schematic from yesterday
16:34:32 <arch> specifically the fan section
16:34:39 <T3sl4> jaymax: Usually an exercise ball rests in that shoebox lid. <-- and one's not, pictured?
16:35:24 <arch> https://www.seventransistorlabs.com/Images/LED_Light.png ; do i understand correctly that the reason you took the input signal to activate the fan from the OUT pin is because you wanted to adjust at with duty cycle the led controller became warm enough to activate the fan?
16:35:54 <T3sl4> diode and cap = peak detector = if it's switching much at all, turn on the fan
16:35:57 <arch> the RC pass would lead to an average voltage that, if above 1.2V, would activate the sziklai pair (2x 2n5088)?
16:36:08 <arch> yeah that's what i meant
16:36:42 <T3sl4> darlington pair
16:36:55 <arch> woops, yep, mistaken
16:37:05 <arch> sziklai is one pnp, one npm
16:37:09 <arch> npn* even
16:37:13 <arch> fuck node package manager
16:37:51 <T3sl4> too many npn vulnerabilities
16:38:08 <arch> and it seems the 100k res going from the output of the pmos is used to more "snappily" turn on the darlington
16:38:21 <T3sl4> hysteresis, yes
16:38:46 <arch> awesome. thanks
16:38:50 <arch> welp, time to sleep now
16:38:57 <arch> !fart T3sl4
16:38:57 * EEVBot farts all over T3sl4
16:39:01 <T3sl4> sweet dreams OwO
17:56:04 <K> hello, expired e-tickets
18:48:34 <Halcyon> Hello loose change
18:48:47 <MrMobodies> Halcyon
18:48:51 <Halcyon> Hey MrMobodies
18:48:52 <MrMobodies> I want to open a thread
18:49:02 <Halcyon> Mmmm ?
18:49:03 <MrMobodies> like the bad shopping thread
18:49:09 <MrMobodies> but expose sellers
18:49:14 <Halcyon> I don't know what that is?
18:49:14 <MrMobodies> who block users at no fault of their own
18:49:19 <Halcyon> Oh like dodgy sellers
18:49:30 <MrMobodies> yes and those that make lots of mistkaes
18:49:41 <MrMobodies> eventually they put it right
18:49:42 <Halcyon> Right....
18:49:47 <MrMobodies> but after you leave the feedback
18:50:01 <MrMobodies> they prevent you from buying or sending messages
18:50:14 <MrMobodies> and the problem is that I don't know how to hide their crap on ebay
18:50:25 <Halcyon> What do you mean?
18:50:40 <MrMobodies> listings where the seller blocked me
18:50:59 <MrMobodies> so do
18:51:02 <MrMobodies> on ebay
18:51:03 <MrMobodies> m93p -"techlabzltd"
18:51:12 <MrMobodies> it filters certain words but not the seller name
18:51:20 <MrMobodies> and they sell so much of things
18:51:42 <MrMobodies> but I want to open a thread exposing these sellers
18:51:54 <MrMobodies> I ordered
18:52:04 <MrMobodies> an M92P and it came with screws inside
18:52:07 <MrMobodies> seller took it back
18:52:20 <MrMobodies> I said I want a replacement and it to be checked
18:52:29 <MrMobodies> I paid for an M93 model up
18:52:39 <MrMobodies> it arrived with a small screw in there
18:52:44 <MrMobodies> but it worked fine and continues to do so
18:52:59 <MrMobodies> with that i asked the seller for a particiular type of ram that I already had
18:53:03 <MrMobodies> they had the listing bang on
18:53:13 <MrMobodies> DDR3L (low power)
18:53:29 <MrMobodies> they sent it out with the machine a different one
18:53:38 <MrMobodies> just normal DDR3
18:53:44 <MrMobodies> I wanted them matched
18:54:03 <MrMobodies> that shaved off about 4 watss of power when I got the DDR3L matching pair
18:54:24 <MrMobodies> so I thought lets order another M93p
18:54:33 <MrMobodies> expensive at the moment but the seller is cheapest
18:54:39 <MrMobodies> lets give it another chance
18:55:15 <MrMobodies> https://i.imgur.com/HAPfCvu.jpg
18:55:19 <MrMobodies> https://i.imgur.com/rWqype8.jpg
18:55:28 <MrMobodies> Would you say that is COWARDLY BEHAVIOUR?
18:55:41 <MrMobodies> It's not my fault the seller is clumsy
18:55:47 <MrMobodies> and makes lots of mistakes
18:56:02 <MrMobodies> I have all the pictures of the correspondance
18:56:05 <MrMobodies> so it is all honest
18:56:23 <MrMobodies> I'll start the thread later today but need some input
18:56:38 <MrMobodies> "Name and Shame list of sellers who block users at no fault of their own."
18:56:51 <MrMobodies> does that sound okay for the thread title?
18:57:15 <MrMobodies> I had another seller who did this to me in 2018 over a dead raid battery they admitted they didn't test
18:57:30 <MrMobodies> when the listing mentioned they were tested
18:57:48 <MrMobodies> and this seller is now trading under many other account names
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18:57:58 <MrMobodies> but with their original one in the address
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18:59:13 <MrMobodies> aaah
18:59:14 <MrMobodies> https://community.ebay.co.uk/t5/Buying/WHY-CANT-I-BLOCK-A-SELLER/td-p/6808812
18:59:17 <EEVBot> [url] WHY CANT I BLOCK A SELLER???? - UK eBay Community | community.ebay.co.uk
18:59:18 <MrMobodies> no fait is it though
18:59:21 <MrMobodies> *fir
18:59:24 <MrMobodies> typos
19:00:25 <MrMobodies> Sometimes I when I about to buy things and I get that message to realize it was the same seller that blocked me many years ago under a different name
19:00:43 <MrMobodies> looking at their name and address and comparing it to past orders
19:02:23 <MrMobodies> I sent a message to the seller
19:03:11 <MrMobodies> https://i.imgur.com/zBZP3mU.png
19:03:14 <MrMobodies> and got this back
19:04:08 <MrMobodies> https://i.imgur.com/v9G4DkL.png
19:04:16 <MrMobodies> I didn't intend it as a threat
19:04:24 <MrMobodies> it was something I was about to do because I was upset
19:04:32 <MrMobodies> and because they said they have no shame
19:04:36 <MrMobodies> well
19:04:55 <MrMobodies> they are offering to sell outside ebay
19:05:05 <MrMobodies> do you think that is dodgy?
19:05:42 <MrMobodies> I think I might just pay more than work outside ebay
19:06:13 <MrMobodies> I'll give ebay call later with a suggestion to hide certain sellers listings
19:11:19 <steve30> I'm just neural-network upscaling the 6 minute video i made earlier
19:11:19 <steve30> Its taken over an hour
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19:31:29 <DogWomble> yeah, that seller definitely sounds dodgy
19:31:48 <DogWomble> i think the idea is doing it outside of ebay in that case removes the ebay protections
19:35:34 <K> if paid with paypal, still have some
19:54:27 <MrMobodies> the thing is whilst their pricing is great
19:54:36 <MrMobodies> there is the clumbsiness issue
19:54:45 <MrMobodies> and they are calling me difficult
19:54:49 <MrMobodies> now I am difficult
19:55:03 <MrMobodies> there was one time I ordered some ssd's of a seller
19:55:11 <MrMobodies> really good reclaimed stuff
19:55:15 <MrMobodies> works to this day
19:55:27 <MrMobodies> one time he switched it to another batch
19:55:32 <MrMobodies> and it was no good
19:55:53 <MrMobodies> he said he can get a few more batches of the old ssd's but they cost ore
19:55:57 <MrMobodies> much more
19:56:12 <MrMobodies> he said he could, on paypal,send me 10 of those
19:56:22 <MrMobodies> for a price a bit higher
19:56:41 <MrMobodies> he was no longer listing the old ssd's I wanted
19:56:44 <MrMobodies> I took a chance
19:56:49 <MrMobodies> and all of them worked
19:57:07 <MrMobodies> he said one of them was faulty when he tested it but he had one spare with a bit of use on it
19:57:11 <MrMobodies> He was a German seller
19:57:16 <MrMobodies> very arrogant but honest
19:57:49 <MrMobodies> I brought other stuff from is shop like some used mvsata modules
19:57:55 <MrMobodies> he didn't block me or anything
19:58:38 <Ysjoelfir> we germans aren't arrogant. we are just dickheads by nature.
20:33:25 <T3sl4> steve30: https://imgur.com/gallery/VxJ63GP
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20:33:29 * T3sl4 meows at Ysjoelfir
20:39:32 * Ysjoelfir moooooows back at T3sl4
20:40:16 <Ysjoelfir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?reload=9&v=w7x_lWJNnNg
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20:41:18 <Halcyon> Evening tortillas
20:43:05 * Ysjoelfir mows at Halcyon
20:44:29 * Halcyon scritches Ysjoelfir
21:02:59 * Ampera hugs Halcyon and Ysjoelfir
21:05:05 * Halcyon licks Ampera
21:05:27 <Ampera> How are you doing Halcyon
21:06:13 <Halcyon> I'm doing good, hows you?
21:06:28 <Ampera> Just woke up
21:06:39 <Ampera> gonna drive to work in about 50 mins
21:07:13 <Halcyon> Booo
21:30:25 <jaymax> > jaymax: Usually an exercise ball rests in that shoebox lid. <-- and one's not, pictured?
21:30:26 <jaymax> T3sl4: because a cat decided it was for him instead. But the exercise ball wasn't far away.
21:30:32 <jaymax> https://files.maxuel.compy.ca:5281/upload/_kH-za1IY4y1kmXp/1Wy1tDzXQX6qp39J9br7SA.jpg
21:32:11 <jaymax> The "before" photo (last night): https://files.maxuel.compy.ca:5281/upload/ZSGbeSQ_yTEI7VYv/mbIuIJwPTqiHLB7gmFvWpg.jpg
21:34:58 <Ampera> PETTA
21:35:01 <Ampera> PETTA DU CATTO
21:35:21 <Ampera> also, you have far too few towers underneath your desk, jaymax
21:35:47 <Ampera> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/446784913467899945/928826918348935178/5Bkhrd9.jpeg
21:37:04 <jaymax> At least I *have* a photo under the desk.
21:37:18 <Ampera> too lazy to take one
21:37:19 <jaymax> Instead of some side-eye thing.
21:37:23 <Ampera> you get an old one
21:37:24 <jaymax> Lol
21:37:28 <Ampera> be happy you get one at all :)
21:38:38 * jaymax caffeinates with potat and eggs
21:39:08 * Ampera has tea
21:39:26 <Ampera> hopefully I remember to bring it to work with me :P
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22:00:46 <jaymax> https://files.maxuel.compy.ca:5281/upload/nDQwwcsADUAmmm32/zp46jPF8SxOlsEUQQsovyg.jpg
22:01:06 <jaymax> > you get an old one
22:01:06 <jaymax> A fresh one from me. ^
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22:14:54 <K> where sound system at?
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22:23:56 <Ampera> jaymax, almost as trashed as mine
22:25:08 <jaymax> Yeah this is still more tidy than several months last year.
22:26:42 <jaymax> K: it's some cheapo Logitech 2.1 thing.
22:27:09 <K> nowhere to be seen
22:27:10 <jaymax> If I were fancy, I'd be broke.
22:27:13 <K> afraid, in the hiding
22:28:06 <K> also, Ampera, is that a fucking foldable table i see there?
22:28:18 <jaymax> Subwoof on top of that floor-mayo-tub; the rest below the mounted displays.
22:28:20 <Ampera> You bet your ass it is
22:28:49 * jaymax rolls dice over K's ass.
22:28:52 <K> trashy.
22:28:55 <K> i approve.
22:29:08 <Ampera> When I move out I plan to build my own desk construction lumber style
22:29:28 <K> big words
22:29:35 <Ampera> but despite looking like I live at the home depot, I have little space for that
22:29:51 <K> when are you moving btw?
22:30:01 <K> i thought you had a place and everything already
22:30:02 <Ampera> whenever I buy a house
22:30:06 <Ampera> lol I wish
22:30:07 <K> ah. my bad
22:30:31 <Ampera> I plan to ask my CU for money in february
22:30:44 <K> CU ?
22:30:47 <Ampera> credit union
22:30:55 <K> ok
22:31:01 <Ampera> basically a bank owned through shares equivalent to assets in the bank
22:31:12 <Ampera> so I own an amount of the bank equal to the money in my account
22:31:19 <jaymax> That was some other American moving.
22:31:21 <Ampera> or at least that's how it was explained to me
22:31:53 <jaymax> All dollars are debt.
22:32:00 <jaymax> Even canukbucks
22:32:27 <Ampera> Houses around here are cheap. 120k isn't uncommon for a 2 family building.
22:32:38 <Ampera> I hope to spend around 120-160k on a house
22:34:08 <Ampera> I've never been through the process, but my parents have. I'd imagine it's some number of weeks of dealing with lawyers and the bank and the sellers/realtor
22:35:54 <K> how many years?
22:36:06 <Ampera> years for what
22:36:29 <jaymax> Some banks hold group presentations about how it works, what's good to have for downpayment and what to hold for inspection and lawyer fees, what a realtor can help with and what a realtor might call a conflict-of-interest.
22:36:54 <Ampera> My company may likely cover lawyer fees.
22:36:56 <Ampera> That's a good thing
22:37:15 <Ampera> I have enough for down payment, and a regular enough income to handle the expense
22:37:18 <Ampera> it's cheaper than renting
22:37:36 <K> years till you own it
22:37:52 <jaymax> Ammortization is 30 years Ampera>
22:37:54 <jaymax> ?
22:38:09 <Ampera> K, mortages here tend to come at fixed lengths of 30 years, with options for less time in 5-10 year decrements
22:38:21 <K> ah.
22:38:25 <Ampera> Those mortages are also fixed interest rate, but in NY, we are legally allowed to refinance after a year
22:38:46 <Ampera> You may also pay it off after a year
22:38:54 <K> i think here we can pay off sooner without any penalties
22:38:54 <jaymax> Nice
22:38:58 <Ampera> (without penalty)
22:39:29 <K> chances are wes gonna get a place this year too
22:40:17 * jaymax will wait until the next crash for house-hunting ... this crash is too early.
22:40:37 <jaymax> Well, land-hunting.
22:41:44 <Ampera> I would like to, in the future, buy land to build a workshop on
22:41:52 <Ampera> a place where I can 1. store crap 2. wrench on shit
22:43:05 <jaymax> Yeah the field I want is to be near an existing woodlot and shop I co-own.
22:47:24 <jaymax> At some point that shop needs to be set up with actual off-grid power instead of the unlit-storage-area it has been for several years.
22:59:03 <jaymax> > How easy is it to buy Redflow or Gelion batteries in your neck of the woods?
22:59:03 <jaymax> > They look compelling (particularly the latter) but they're unobtanium here so I'm seeing it as either a trade barrier or they're not at production scale yet.
22:59:03 <jaymax> Halcyon: a question I had yesterday ^
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