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05:35 <Bird|otherbox> so, screw size ID puzzle: I have the shaft of a screw remaining (all threaded), and it measures just over .09" on my calipers (which seem to be grabbing into the roots of the threads, at least) -- what size screw am I dealing with here? I've tried looking at a few tables but I haven't been able to make sense of the results I'm getting
06:54 <K> it is because you are using freedom units
07:03 <K> happy new year!
08:10 <Bird|otherbox> it's just over 2mm metric
08:31 <Bird|otherbox> although I suspect it isn't a metric screw, I could be persuaded to replace it with one >.>
08:58 <Bird|otherbox> but more importantly -- I'm not sure *which dimension of the screw I'm getting with my calipers*
09:21 <K> what kind of screw are we talking about here?
09:22 <Bird|otherbox> (as in am I getting an accurate reading root-to-root, or am I getting something that doesn't correspond to anything in the tables?)
09:27 <Bird|otherbox> K: self-tapper
09:31 <K> eew.
09:48 <K> i would just eyeball it
10:01 <K> self tappers are a mess, in my exp
10:12 <Bird|otherbox> (it was holding a plastic project box together until I drilled the head off because said head was completely roached)
10:44 <K> you have only 1 screw?
11:28 <Bird|otherbox> 2 were removed at an unknown past time and lost, a 3rd had to be drilled out as well but i tossed that one and kept the last one as reference
14:35 <K> are you sure box is not orienatal in origin?
14:56 <K> then it probably is metric although that does not help you much
15:27 <Bird|otherbox> well, it is from the Far East, so that does mean it's got a decent chance of being metric, M2 or M3 I'm guessing
16:41 <K> https://www.trfastenings.com/knowledge-base/self-tapping-screws/thread-geometry - first row in the table?
16:42 <EEVBot> [url] TR knowledge base | Thread geometry - Self Tapping Screws | www.trfastenings.com
16:50 <K> i do not think self-tappers do M designations
17:56 <K> but if would be desperate, i would tap that hole to M3 and be somewhat carefull not to strip them threads
18:24 <K> maybe there is some similar bolt-class thread type for freedom units as well
18:57 <Bird|otherbox> let me try something here, I just realized that I can get the major diameter reliably I think
20:26 <Bird|otherbox> hm. major diameter's about 3mm
20:27 <K> what will knowing what kind of screw it is give you?
20:40 <Bird|otherbox> being able to procure replacements :)
20:50 <K> ah.
45:01 <MrMobodies> Hello
45:14 <MrMobodies> I thought broadband in the UK was hit and miss
45:39 <MrMobodies> and with business I can get either 1 or 4 static ip's or even 8 depending on what package
45:45 <MrMobodies> I was shocked to find this
45:45 <MrMobodies> https://i.imgur.com/y7nMv59.png
46:13 <MrMobodies> Bell Canada business broadand $22 dollar a month for ONE? static IP
46:19 <MrMobodies> what a rip off
46:45 <MrMobodies> "Bell can give you a Static IP address that stays the same"
46:56 <MrMobodies> "a static ip" so that means one
46:56 <Ysjoelfir> well, at least they offer it
47:09 <Ysjoelfir> in germany you can't even get that if you are willing to pay
47:16 <MrMobodies> $264 a year
47:22 <Ysjoelfir> at least not for home users.
47:29 <MrMobodies> that's business broadband
47:42 <MrMobodies> I would never settle for home
48:01 <MrMobodies> it makes even SKY broadband look good and that's all residentiak
48:19 <MrMobodies> apparently for their "Plus" package some years ago they provide a static ip
48:44 <MrMobodies> so in Germany with business they don't give static ip's?
48:53 <MrMobodies> is it dynamic or cgnat?
50:23 <Ampera> Most landline ISPs provide sticky dynamic IPs here, I'd imagine it's similar in germany
50:32 <Ampera> cgnat is probably more for shittier plans or cheaper ISPs, as well as mobile providers.
50:35 <MrMobodies> https://old.reddit.com/r/berlin/comments/crq34z/static_ip_in_germany/
50:35 <EEVBot> [reddit] Static IP in Germany (self.berlin) | 7 points (82.0%) | 15 comments | Posted by vklimkov | Created at 2019-08-17 - 18:39:23UTC
50:43 <MrMobodies> "Vodafone will give you happily a static IP for only 5 Euros a month. No business needed. If you think 5 Euros are street robbery, yes it is."
50:53 <MrMobodies> So that's $60 euroes a year
51:12 <Ampera> 5 euro would be an absolute steal here
51:17 <MrMobodies> I suppose I could afford that
51:19 <Ampera> you need a business plan for a static IP here
51:26 <Ysjoelfir> i have no idea what a cgnat is, but in germany, ISPs reset everyone once a day so you get a forced reconnect each 24 hours, including a fresh IP. the reason I don't get at all.
51:38 <MrMobodies> I have business broadband
51:54 <Ysjoelfir> and vodafone is not a standard ISP here, they are DSL over cable TV.
52:04 <MrMobodies> on this package I pay or 8 static per line and i have 2 lines
52:24 <MrMobodies> for about £3 a month well £6
52:30 <MrMobodies> a part of my broaband package
52:55 <MrMobodies> dsl over DOCSIS?
53:00 <MrMobodies> I never heard of that before
53:29 <MrMobodies> oh sorry same thing
53:48 <MrMobodies> through the cable
54:34 <Ysjoelfir> over here, people tend to mean "internet access of any kind" when they say DSL, it usually doesn't mean the transmission standard
54:44 <MrMobodies> I see
55:03 <Ysjoelfir> so yes, internet over cable TV.
55:38 <MrMobodies> I moved from Virginmedia to NTL:Business in 2009 (not yet rebranded)
55:47 <MrMobodies> that was Docsis 2 I think
56:02 <Ampera> hehe DSL over cable
56:03 <MrMobodies> they were putting upload limits and cutting off the modem
56:22 <MrMobodies> after that 2 good years
56:40 <Ysjoelfir> I tried to get a static IP with my provider, which is 1&1 / Drillisch. No chance. the people on the phone don't even know what a static IP is
56:47 <MrMobodies> they provided 4 static ip's but they had be binded with a MAC address for it to work
56:56 <MrMobodies> aaaaaah
57:15 <MrMobodies> @Ysjoelfir that is EXACTLY what I was told before switching in 2009
57:28 <MrMobodies> the Virginmedi gentleman didn't know what one was
57:40 <MrMobodies> he just said to me they had imposed other limits
57:55 <MrMobodies> and what I use is what they consider amounts to business
58:20 <MrMobodies> I wasn't doing very much
58:35 <MrMobodies> I didnt use bittorrent download and uploading all day long
58:42 <MrMobodies> it was only a game for a website
59:01 <MrMobodies> the modem would stop flashing away and I'd reset it
59:15 <MrMobodies> they said to me after a certain upload they disconnect it
59:21 <MrMobodies> I was absolutely furious
59:40 <MrMobodies> in 2011 when Virginmedia took over NTL:Business
59:44 <MrMobodies> it went downhill
00:08 <MrMobodies> it wasn't the service itself
00:14 <MrMobodies> it was asking them to do stuff
00:54 <MrMobodies> register a domain and they put n/a in a registrant and Nominet wrote to me and it was nothing I could change and they would call me back
01:07 <MrMobodies> in 2014 with their 54 mbps service
01:21 <MrMobodies> at certain times I was getting less than 1mbps
02:04 <MrMobodies> I complained, they told me, business broadband is now capped at 5 mbps and will go down to 1mbps after a certain amount of usage
02:32 <MrMobodies> I said to gentleman on the phone well, faults, that is NOT what is said and agreed to on my contract
03:03 <MrMobodies> he said, read the small print on this URL, they can change the terms and conditions at any time
03:34 <MrMobodies> I said well there's no point in contracts if they are not going to be adherred to
04:05 <MrMobodies> that cost me £105 a month for 54mbps up and .75mpbps down capped
04:21 <MrMobodies> I got out of it 6 months later due to a fault they couldn't fix
05:32 <MrMobodies> they made some changes, 2 routers bricked, and kept on cutting out where the connection stayed opened and after proving it and others were complaining they said I can leave the contract
06:08 <MrMobodies> I think that 54mbps was Docsis 3
07:12 <MrMobodies> I went for TalktalkBusiness, telephone line chopped down years ago, no more pairs so they run a new cable and nearly 4 good years out of that
07:47 <MrMobodies> 2 lines,50 to 60mbps and 15mbps upload the best I can get on distance
08:30 <MrMobodies> and that helped served the demands of our immigrant we were forced to have during respite care for some years.
08:47 <MrMobodies> he was using about 4 gig a day on traffic
19:15 <DHess_US> https://imgur.com/a/XMm3D8p
19:15 <EEVBot> [url] Imgur: The magic of the Internet | imgur.com
24:43 <K> por que no los dos?
39:52 <Ysjoelfir> hehehe
43:07 <Bird|otherbox> K: I take it M2.9 and M3 are basically interchangeable in this application?
43:17 <Bird|otherbox> (some suppliers have one, others have the other)
43:41 <K> umm, afaik there is no M2.9
43:55 <K> M3 is propper metal thread type
44:15 <K> 2.9 mm is self tapper size type kind thing
44:53 <K> wait a sec, imm check the shelf, maybe i have 2.9 mm self tapper
46:46 <K> https://imgur.com/a/zX5Imr4
46:46 <EEVBot> [url] Imgur: The magic of the Internet | imgur.com
47:16 <K> the box says "2.9mm x 6.5mm, self taping"
47:25 <Bird|otherbox> *nods*
47:43 <K> stem is 2.5 mm
48:34 <K> i think there is difference for plastics/alu, but i doubt it matters for your case
10:33 <Bird|otherbox> K: btw: the difference seems to be that the 2.9mm is a soft metric conversion of a #4 screw
10:45 <Bird|otherbox> (which is probably true for the other "self tapper" sizes as well)
11:37 <K> might be
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06:40 <steve30> The computer which drives the price list in Greggs rebooted while I was in the queue
07:01 <steve30> I see modern machines still say "Keyboard not found. Press F1 to continue"
07:05 <rust0> who is gregg?
08:09 <rust0> windows encountered a problem, you can fix this by installing windows from a cd
08:23 <steve30> Bakery chain
08:31 <rust0> oh, ok
08:41 <steve30> For the last few year's they've had the price list on computer monitors.
09:01 <steve30> Probably an advantage atm due to the prices going up every five minutes
09:40 <rust0> I wonder when the last time I was in a bakery was...
11:33 <steve30> Interestingly they were running windows 7
17:21 <rust0> there was a paint shop in town, I think this was around 1996-7 or so, they had a screen, where you could pick between different house drawings, and then change the colour, and see which one you like. and that was running on a commodore 64
24:13 <steve30> cool
34:03 <rust0> at work, lots of stuff is still running on 7 and xp. just not the machines people use
36:13 <steve30> Its funny really, many years ago i never liked windows xp
36:17 <steve30> Now I do
36:51 <rust0> as long as it is servicepack 1 or less
37:03 <MrMobodies> I use to call it "eXtra Pretty"
37:23 <MrMobodies> at the time when I picked up a counterfeit Windows 2000 server down the bootdsale for £1
37:45 <MrMobodies> I mainly used that until 2010
38:11 <MrMobodies> quite lightweight at the time
38:56 <MrMobodies> I had a look at the development releases
39:31 <MrMobodies> Longhorn 4008 until I started seeing it become bloated in the later releases
40:56 <MrMobodies> https://inews.co.uk/news/health/nhs-crisis-causing-500-deaths-each-week-warning-emergency-care-delays-explained-2060004
40:56 <EEVBot> [url] Is the NHS crisis really causing 500 deaths each week? The warning over emergency care delays explained | inews.co.uk
41:06 <MrMobodies> that sounds like a lot
41:14 <MrMobodies> 500 dead in a week
42:23 <MrMobodies> so when I was begging to see a GP
42:49 <MrMobodies> and wait for A&e
44:03 <MrMobodies> now many won't be see a doctor at A&e in their lifetime
44:31 <rust0> will they, when they are dead?
45:02 <MrMobodies> when they are dead
45:08 <MrMobodies> their remaining lifetime left
45:14 <MrMobodies> at their time of need
45:55 <rust0> well, yes, but do they get to see a doctor at a&e when they are dead?
46:10 <MrMobodies> I suppose they do when they are pronounced dead
46:13 <MrMobodies> or rotting
46:26 <MrMobodies> they are waiting to see one to be treated
46:31 <rust0> well, that is something. at least they get to see one
47:50 <MrMobodies> well actually this has been going on for years where the wards are packed
47:51 <MrMobodies> https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5548277/Shocking-pictures-overcrowded-E-department-peak-NHS-winter-crisis.html
47:52 <EEVBot> [url] Pictures show overcrowded A&E department at peak of NHS winter crisis | Daily Mail Online | www.dailymail.co.uk
47:58 <MrMobodies> but they did get seen to
48:08 <MrMobodies> now I hear many GPs are considering leaving
48:51 <MrMobodies> https://www.theguardian.com/society/2022/dec/28/four-in-10-junior-doctors-plan-quit-nhs-survey
48:51 <EEVBot> [url] Four in 10 junior doctors plan to quit NHS as soon as they can, survey finds | Doctors | The Guardian | www.theguardian.com
49:00 <MrMobodies> 4 in 10 plan to leave
58:25 <K> are we all going to die?
58:31 <rust0> YES!
58:36 <rust0> party party
58:59 <K> farty too!
59:11 <rust0> farty party!
37:16 <K> https://imgur.com/a/earrGTq
37:16 <EEVBot> [url] Imgur: The magic of the Internet | imgur.com
37:31 <K> the idea is viable
38:29 <K> optical alignment did work out so well, but simple continuity probing for detecing centers of corner holes for re-alignment is working ok
38:59 <K> did have to modify flatcam and bcnc to make it work though
40:46 <rust0> nice
41:34 <K> and should have toasted the marker on the b-side
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42:31 <K> that is 0.5mm step ic there
43:10 <K> also am debating should i try ferric chloride for etching next time
44:07 <K> and i must buy some small shop vac, the fr4 dust is not good for anyone
45:23 <K> also 1mm/0.3mm vias look ok
45:31 <rust0> well, don't snort it?
45:45 <K> yeah
45:55 <K> let the vac snort it
46:06 <K> make it do that, even!
46:10 <K> and watch
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16:48 <Nothing\> wow did you guys see this?
17:00 <Nothing\> oh hold on, need a smaller url from a better source than yahoo
17:23 <Nothing\> https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/weird-news/man-who-became-dog-12480-28827528
17:24 <EEVBot> [url] Man who became a dog for £12,480 worries his friends will think he's 'weird' - Mirror Online | www.mirror.co.uk
17:27 <rust0> probably, a few weeks ago
17:29 <Nothing\> well, it's a smaller url at least.
17:51 <Nothing\> but holy crap. I thought this was a joke or something at first. He looks like a real freaking dog. I couldn't even tell it was a person.
18:10 <rust0> https://i.imgur.com/hdGaHwV_lq.mp4
18:18 <Nothing\> you can just barely tell if you look at the paws. Or the video of him waving to the camera. But wow they did good work on his suit.
18:28 <Nothing\> you can put mp4s on imgur now?
18:38 <rust0> nope
18:52 <Nothing\> lol cute
19:03 <Nothing\> my exwife's parents raised miniature ponies
19:32 <rust0> couch pony
19:44 <Nothing\> lol yeah they're amazingly small
20:07 <Nothing\> i mean you expect that, but when you hear "pony" you don't picture something the size of a dog
20:31 <rust0> maybe it is the same guy... who knows?
20:37 <Nothing\> probably was
20:39 <Nothing\> or his dad
21:13 <Nothing\> man get this
22:13 <Nothing\> i got an alert on my phone the other day, like an amber alert, except more serious. Saying there's an active shooter in the area and to shelter in place until further instructions are given. Except they never said WHERE the shooter was. Not even a city or a county. It wound up being like 3 counties over and nowhere even close to us.
22:41 <Nothing\> and no further instructions WERE given. So If I took it seriously I'd still be cowering under my bed.
22:50 <Nothing\> assuming that's what they wanted me to do.
23:20 <rust0> https://i.imgur.com/oTkqRYm_lq.mp4
23:34 <Nothing\> that just baffles me though. For amber alerts they provide everything from what they look like to where they live etc etc. But an active shooter, they can't even tell us what county it's in? Come on!
24:03 <Nothing\> but i guess taht's what I get for expecting the government to exercise common sense, huh?
24:26 <rust0> yes, I think you missed something there
24:28 <Nothing\> rust0, i've seen something like that before years and years ago but holy crap that looks fun.
24:41 <rust0> and doable at home
24:57 <Nothing\> it looks like something they woulda come up with in the 60's to try and train astronauts for moon gravity.
25:19 <Nothing\> have you ever seen the contraptions they came up with for that? or to simulate 0G
25:29 <Kuschelpony> yeah, thats really a great fursuit
25:37 <Nothing\> Kuschelpony, i know, right?
25:58 <Nothing\> i'm not big on furries. I mean, to each their own and all it's just not my thing. But I am genuinely impressed with this.
26:23 <Nothing\> out of context i never in a million years would have thought that was a person
26:35 <Nothing\> and they play the part se well, too. They've got the behavior down perfect.
27:29 <rust0> https://i.imgur.com/EtcVMad_lq.mp4
29:25 <steve30> Nothing\, here is the Abba video I was making the other day when you were asking about Mama mia: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXPqDPZxcik
29:25 <EEVBot> [url] Rotherham ABBA Medley Medley [July 2022] - YouTube | www.youtube.com
31:11 <Nothing\> haha cool, my mum would love this
31:32 <Nothing\> thanks, m8
31:51 * Nothing\ is sure saying m8 bothers steve30
33:20 <Nothing\> i felt bad the other day, there's a Liverpudlian who works at the pot shop I go to and the other day I mentioned something about the "car park" not thinking anything of the fact that I called it a car park (as I usually do) until after I left and then I worried he might assume I just said that because he's from the UK.
33:47 <Nothing\> which to me, just feels like putting on a pretend indian accent to anyone with brown skin
34:13 <rust0> velu funny mr sir
35:06 <steve30> Do Canadians not call them car parks normally?
35:26 <Kuschelpony> many years ago there was a japanese with an similar well made wolf suit
36:46 <steve30> !coffee
36:46 * EEVBot slides a cup of joe to steve30
58:31 <Ysjoelfir> who is joe, and why are you drinking his juices?
59:36 <Ampera> joe mama
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24:00 <Nothing\> okay i luv you buh bye!
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25:02 <rust0> ok, what is the name of the celebrity guy, that looks like Ysjoelfir?
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57:04 <electrohead> o/
05:26 <Halcyon> Hey gurl hey
07:04 * Halcyon pokes electrohead 
08:28 <Halcyon> I'm just going for a walk up the road to get coffee, call me if you like
10:53 * electrohead shakes it for Halcyon
11:09 <electrohead> Possibly later, if you can
11:25 <electrohead> Just got home from work; first day back in 9-10 days, and .. well, that sucked lol
11:29 * jaymax bakes the shaked electrohead 
12:01 * electrohead accepts the baking
12:24 * jaymax cranks it to broil
28:08 <electrohead> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGCoOJSj7jk
28:09 <EEVBot> [url] You Win. Cat Food Sausage - YouTube | www.youtube.com
28:11 <electrohead> uhhhh
51:33 <Halcyon> That's fucked electrohead
51:34 <Halcyon> Bahahah
52:32 <Halcyon> That looks fucking rank
02:33 <arch> i've made a meme for you Halcyon: https://i.imgflip.com/76628h.jpg
02:50 <Halcyon> Awww thanks :)
03:28 <arch> :D
04:25 <Halcyon> I feel loved
07:49 * Ampera loves Halcyon 
07:55 <Halcyon> YAY!
07:57 <arch> !film
08:03 <arch> aww no film command
08:07 <arch> !fart electrohead
08:07 * EEVBot farts all over electrohead
08:14 <Ampera> how are you doing Halcyon
08:23 <Halcyon> Moist
08:26 <Halcyon> How are you?
10:06 <Ampera> had some spicynoodles
10:37 <Halcyon> Yum
13:28 * steve30 should get some food
14:14 * Ysjoelfir offers steve some seared murloc
30:11 <T3sl4> Ampera: https://imgur.com/gallery/4RlRz0x
30:11 <EEVBot> [url] came back just to post dandelion in a strawberry sweater. - Album on Imgur | imgur.com
30:23 <Ampera> BUN
30:28 * Ampera says hi to the bun
30:29 <Ampera> <3
30:29 * EEVBot smooches Ampera for some added love
30:37 * T3sl4 awwws at Ampera so hard he could die
35:45 <K> cease the debauchery
40:53 * T3sl4 rebauches K
41:08 * K yells
58:19 <arch> T3sl4, i found the true cause behind my synch buck inverting reg crapping out when spinning two pwm fans at once. the ripple current of a BLDC fan is wonky. i didn't realize that, until i saw this article and confirmed the waveform myself: https://www.digikey.com/Site/Global/Layouts/DownloadPdf.ashx?pdfUrl=D3067EA32566490C9405777E05A6D2AE
58:53 <arch> figure 3
59:22 <T3sl4> sure
59:33 <arch> and when the two fans start at once, the current waveforms add or subtract randomly, which places enough stress on the poor TPS562201 that it hiccup modes
59:50 <arch> but once both are spinning, at least slowly, they can ramp up to full speed
00:19 <T3sl4> it's sorta like my LED lamp, https://www.seventransistorlabs.com/Images/LED_Light.png but that's also because there's no aux power at all until the thing starts up
01:00 <arch> ooh. so what does it do? kinda flicker a bit until the aux rail is stable?
01:25 <T3sl4> well, if it didn't have the fan delay circuit there, it just wouldn't start period
01:32 <arch> ahh
01:37 <T3sl4> with the delay, it just clicks on and then the fan spins
01:44 <T3sl4> on the assumption that it'll be stable by then
02:02 * arch steals T3sl4's design
02:04 <T3sl4> the throttle range is actually just low enough that it usually drops out at the lowest setting
03:56 <T3sl4> when it drops, it starts blinking as the supply browns out, restarts, turns on, then fan kicks on and browns it out etc
04:20 <T3sl4> so the 1M + 0.22uF time constant sets that
04:41 <arch> sets that so it doesnt* drop out you mean?
04:50 <T3sl4> sets the time constant of the blink
05:16 <T3sl4> and if it's stable then it just stays on, with the fan starting after that delay
06:54 * arch strokes imaginary beard
06:56 <arch> naruhodo
15:19 <jaymax> nearhobo FTFY arch
22:06 <K> any suggestions for a quiet shop vac?
22:30 <K> is it worth looking at small semi-battery powered makitas/dewalts?
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35:24 <jaymax> Find an old central vac system and yeet the central unit into a distant burrow, run hose to lab.
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45:08 <K> not that feasible
50:05 <jaymax> Neither is a silent vac
51:06 <jaymax> Dyson might have some multiplier thing though.
54:15 <K> well, not completerly silent, but quiet-ish, i happen to share my "lab-workshop" with other people
12:32 <jaymax> #2 or #5, maybe #9. https://easysoundproof.com/quiet-shop-vac/
12:34 <EEVBot> [url] Quiet Shop Vac: Top 10 Low Decibels Shop Vacuums in 2022 - Easy Soundproof | easysoundproof.com
16:33 <K> yeah, was eyeing those
16:57 <K> tomorrow will look into availability in yurop
17:10 <K> now to sleeps
55:31 <MrMobodies> Hello
55:37 <MrMobodies> https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/20919526/new-year-reveller-killed-firework-gets-stuck-in-clothes/?rec_article=true
55:37 <EEVBot> [url] New Year reveller killed as firework gets stuck in her clothes at beach display and explodes before family can remove it | The Sun | www.thesun.co.uk
55:57 <MrMobodies> I wonder how that is possible
56:42 <MrMobodies> unless she was wearing a long dress and it got caught in there
34:28 <steve30> hi
54:55 <Halcyon> Afternoon whiskers
04:19 <steve30> hi Halcyon
04:23 <Halcyon> Hello Steve
06:05 <steve30> I was just going through my Christmas Day GoPro footage
06:58 <Halcyon> Oh yes?
10:31 * steve30 went to the Peak District
15:00 <Ysjoelfir> Hi's
25:26 <MrMobodies> isn't that in Buxton?
25:41 <MrMobodies> near the Derbyshire Dales?
30:29 <steve30> Derbyshire
36:07 <Halcyon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaPqSewbgxA
36:08 <EEVBot> [url] Top 3 Worst Tech Pitches | COMPILATION | Dragons' Den - YouTube | www.youtube.com
36:13 <Halcyon> That PC looks as bland as he does
42:39 <MrMobodies> I don't know how old that is in filming
42:45 <MrMobodies> but he calls that a slim pc?
43:00 <MrMobodies> even the one Dave Jones got in 2010 that was all bodged together
43:09 <MrMobodies> is much more slimmer than that
43:33 <Halcyon> Looks like it was around 2008-2009
44:43 <MrMobodies> 00:45 "the biggest innovation in the last 20 years and the way the product looks has been to paint the boxes a different colour"
45:18 <MrMobodies> "incredible advances in the technology that goes inside the products"
45:33 <Halcyon> It looks awful, even for then
45:37 <MrMobodies> that sound like bullshit to me
45:48 * steve30 ponders more coffee
45:49 <MrMobodies> advances in technology
45:54 <MrMobodies> in painting the boxes
46:14 <MrMobodies> that does not look like innovation to me
46:18 <Halcyon> Even Apple had stylish computers nailed back then
46:27 <MrMobodies> dumb terminals could look smaller than that
46:41 <MrMobodies> I think I prefer the Apple to that
46:45 * steve30 curls up on an imaginary iMac G3
46:57 <MrMobodies> at first I though the edges looked like cardboard
47:22 <MrMobodies> he has taken he cheapest monitor
47:31 <MrMobodies> and slapped it together with a cutout
48:08 <MrMobodies> 2:06 in the video
48:17 <MrMobodies> and one of them was struggling to
48:22 <MrMobodies> retain their laughter
49:07 <MrMobodies> revolutionary, new style except the screen
49:07 <Halcyon> Oh yeh that AOC monitor or whatever it was.
49:45 <MrMobodies> those buttons on it reminds me of very similar styling
49:53 <MrMobodies> to that of a CRT monitor called Belinea
51:39 <MrMobodies> oops can't find the model
54:51 <MrMobodies> a bit like this one
54:57 <MrMobodies> https://i.imgur.com/jZP2u30.jpg
55:12 <Halcyon> I reminded me of an old Pioneer monitor (which I have)
05:42 <steve30> I'm pleased to say my 17" trinitron is working fine
06:03 <steve30> It was really screwy when I last used it a few years ago
06:21 <Halcyon> Maybe it just needed a good talking to
07:20 <steve30> I really need to repair the 21"
11:19 <Ysjoelfir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOpdyytB3OY
11:19 <EEVBot> [url] I AM MURLOC - L70ETC - YouTube | www.youtube.com
11:19 <steve30> !coffee
15:36 * steve30 pounces onto Halcyon 
15:41 <Halcyon> YAY
30:33 * steve30 hopes to miss the rain later
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36:39 <MrMobodies> oooh on Trinitons
36:50 <MrMobodies> I regret getting rid of a couple of mine a decade ago
37:02 <Halcyon> Yeh me too
37:03 <MrMobodies> I was given a 21" Sony I think
37:11 <MrMobodies> it had a little crack on the glass
37:17 <MrMobodies> but lovelly picture
37:25 <MrMobodies> two input vga
37:29 <Halcyon> How'd that get there?
37:29 <MrMobodies> but really bug
37:43 <MrMobodies> I was given it in 2006
37:53 <MrMobodies> from a friend who found it cheaper to give things to me
38:01 <MrMobodies> than pay a firm to clear out his old stuff
38:19 <MrMobodies> a couple of 19" screens too
38:45 <MrMobodies> I still hav my Hp LP2065's
38:53 <MrMobodies> my first one in 2006 that i pdaid £450
39:04 <MrMobodies> and in 2013 they were selling for £50
39:19 <Halcyon> Neat
39:26 <MrMobodies> so I had 7
39:29 <MrMobodies> no 8
39:34 <MrMobodies> my sister took one last year
39:43 <MrMobodies> I just like how they still work
39:55 <MrMobodies> high resolution at the time 1600 by 1200
40:06 <MrMobodies> and fully adjustable stand
40:49 <MrMobodies> I do have in the garage
40:59 <MrMobodies> 1 Dell 17 inch given to me in 2021
41:08 <MrMobodies> with a Dell Pentiun 3
41:13 <MrMobodies> which still orks
41:25 <MrMobodies> it was from an uncle who passed away
41:34 <MrMobodies> at the time before covid was announced
41:53 <MrMobodies> the last time I saw it was in October 1999 when it was new
42:01 <MrMobodies> and it still had games I put on there
42:23 <MrMobodies> Quake, Malice for Quake, Qzone, Duke Nukem and Lotus Smartsuite
42:33 <MrMobodies> and it still had 64mb of ram
42:41 <MrMobodies> I said to him it was too small
42:57 <MrMobodies> but it had a Voodoo 3300
43:22 <MrMobodies> 13gb Western Digital drive that was on it's way out
43:44 <MrMobodies> I found it was last powered up in 2010 after sleep
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50:45 <steve30> I still have my 1999 Dell PIII
50:48 <steve30> 500MHz
50:59 <steve30> This 17" monitor i'm using now is what came with it
51:04 <MrMobodies> oh yes
51:13 <steve30> Unfortunately the HDDs in that machine started to die some years back
51:23 <steve30> And it was never a particularly reliable machine
52:03 <MrMobodies> this is one I was given
52:04 <MrMobodies> https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-fizixn0rmq/images/stencil/350x350/products/240000/251153/d1028l__53914__43045.1546040125.jpg
52:12 <MrMobodies> I brought for of those from a school in 2001
52:17 <MrMobodies> for £40 each
52:25 <MrMobodies> and I got rid of them when I ended up with too mant crt's
52:35 <MrMobodies> when I was given the Dell 19 inch in 2006
52:42 <MrMobodies> not enough room
52:56 <MrMobodies> I should have kept one 19 inch and that 21 inch
53:05 <MrMobodies> actually when I left it one my porche
53:13 <MrMobodies> sliding door I mean
53:15 <MrMobodies> to take away
53:23 <MrMobodies> someone came and asked if they could have them
53:30 <MrMobodies> they were really happy
53:39 <MrMobodies> seeing the value of them I am not surprised
54:10 <MrMobodies> aah in that link
54:13 <MrMobodies> https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-fizixn0rmq/images/stencil/1280x1280/products/203965/212380/va1948m-led__56201__23502.1545955627.jpg
54:18 <MrMobodies> A dell rebanded
54:23 <MrMobodies> those are Philips crts
54:31 <MrMobodies> I had one of those from PCWORLD in 2001
54:49 <MrMobodies> when the 17inch pro? brand kept on breaking down
55:03 <MrMobodies> and they gave me about £100? off it
55:14 <MrMobodies> well it was in store credit
55:21 <MrMobodies> I was furious and walked out
55:32 <MrMobodies> and after they wanted to give me a 4th replacement
55:36 <MrMobodies> I was only 15 then
55:54 <MrMobodies> my dad got me aback in and they offered me the money off to choose another one
56:10 <MrMobodies> they had that Sony 19 inch flat widescreen and that was about £400
56:33 <MrMobodies> but it was a lot more wider than the others but not as tall that i noticed
56:55 <MrMobodies> but this Philips lasted me until the vga cable finally wore off n 2007
57:04 <MrMobodies> it had these feature on it call "Lightframe"
57:13 <MrMobodies> where you could make with the mouse and their tool
57:20 <MrMobodies> certain parts of the screen brighter
57:25 <MrMobodies> by drawing this box
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58:00 <MrMobodies> https://www.philips.com.sg/c-p/107P50_97/43-cm-17-inch-real-flat-sxga
58:00 <EEVBot> [url] CRT monitor 107P50/97 | Philips | www.philips.com.sg
58:02 <MrMobodies> it was quality
58:13 <MrMobodies> maybe I should have repaired that vga cable
58:28 <MrMobodies> but like the Sony 21inch it was massive and took a lot of space up
59:08 <MrMobodies> what I liked about it
59:22 <MrMobodies> when the crappy Pro one struggled at 1024 by 769
59:25 <MrMobodies> *768
59:43 <MrMobodies> this one could go to 1280 by 1024
00:09 <steve30> This 17" trinitron is probably a bit more blurry than it ought to be
00:18 <MrMobodies> age?
00:26 <MrMobodies> oh no usage
00:37 <MrMobodies> maye need a bit of warming up
02:12 <steve30> Made in 1999
02:28 <steve30> Though barely used since 2008
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23:41 <Ysjoelfir> steve30!
23:47 * Ysjoelfir huggles steve
23:49 <steve30> Ysjoelfir!
24:30 <Ysjoelfir> steve, my dearest one who still knows what a telephone is.... are you knowledgeable in halfway modern telephone things as well?
26:09 <steve30> My PBX runs on a Raspberry Pi [Linux] if that counts as modern :)
26:22 <Halcyon> Ysjoelfir, maybe I could help also?
29:01 <T3sl4> https://i.redd.it/4sy97upxwo9a1.jpg
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29:15 <Halcyon> Bahahaha
29:25 <Halcyon> Stupid cat
30:02 <Ysjoelfir> oh, Halcyon is also here?
30:15 <Halcyon> Yessum
30:21 * Ysjoelfir huggles Halcyon
30:28 <Halcyon> I'm a bit sweaty
30:51 <Ysjoelfir> Halcyon, my dearest other one who still knows what a telephone is... are you knowledgeable in halfway modern telephone things as well?
31:13 <Halcyon> Depends what you need help with, I used to manage PABX's in my old old job
31:16 <Ysjoelfir> if so, I have a question for you and steve30 :D
31:22 <Halcyon> And I've dabbled with VoIP since
31:35 <steve30> No one has called my PBX lately :(
31:57 <steve30> Well, "Sam" from "Windows & Doors Ltd" called the other week, but I hung up.
31:59 <Halcyon> I could call you Steve, I get 30 minutes free international calls per month
32:42 <steve30> I'm here for the next 25 minutes or so if you want to give it a tinkle
32:57 <Ysjoelfir> let me quickly explain the situation. I am, as you probably know, working on redoing the companies IT stuff. I am finished thinking about the networky things, now the only thign that is left to do is telephone. the situation we have right now is the following:
33:06 <Halcyon> Sure, after we help Ysjoelfir
33:47 <Ysjoelfir> nah, I will be here for a while, I can type that, and you two can talk and discuss, and answer later, as steve is only available for 23 more minutes :)
35:17 <Halcyon> steve30, does your number still end in 546?
35:22 <steve30> yes
35:30 <Halcyon> I'll give you a call shortly
37:09 <Ysjoelfir> so. situation is: old old ooooold Siemens PABX that is basically unused, except for the doorbell, the alarm (which is probably sitting on "INTRUSION DETECTED!" for 10 years+), and 2 old analog phones which I haven't seen in use like... ever. Telephones used right now are siemens openstage HFA thingies talking to a siemens HiPath thingemajig that is supposedly not physically present and nobody knows where that is.
39:33 <Ysjoelfir> I want to have the following: one DECT mobile phone for everyone, being able to run around in the company (2 floors, thick walls, steel fireprotected doors). 15 DECT users max., probably at most 5 talking at the same time. One analog FAX. 3 corded telephones for the buying department, central number and me. I am a bit at a loss how to do that the most efficient way nowadays.
42:05 <Ysjoelfir> my idea is: rip out the old system completely as its basically unused. the doorbell is broken anyway, the alarm thing is dead for years, and the 2 analog phones are never used. only analog thing is the FAX in the printer. So I need to somehow get that to talk SIP (how?). Also I need a DECT base and DECT repeaters, but no idea which and what I have to look out for. the corded phones should be easy to integrate using SIP, or is there
42:05 <Ysjoelfir> somethign I might trip over?
00:21 <steve30> any bog standard ATA should do for the fax machine
00:23 <Halcyon> Does it have to be DECT? Why not just get some wireless VoIP handsets and a FreePBX/Asterisk or a 3CX server and be done with it? Run everything over Ethernet
00:58 <steve30> Many things will say that SIP and ATAs are no good for fax or modems, but they should in theory work fine
01:30 <steve30> I think you can do everything with any modern SIP based PBX and some ATAs and some DECT interface
01:37 <Halcyon> Correct Steve, you just might not get the throughput due to the way digital signal compression works, but it should still work at the basic 9600 rate
01:42 <steve30> but yes, you can get wireless VoIP
02:36 <Ysjoelfir> ooooook.....
02:41 * Ysjoelfir has to google a lot of words now
03:23 <Halcyon> If you're going to rip out the system and start over, go full ethernet/VoIP. That'll cover your wireless handsets and desk phones.
03:31 <Halcyon> You can even get VoIP doorbells etc....
04:36 <Halcyon> Then for the legacy stuff (like your fax), just get an ATA for those
04:55 <Ysjoelfir> I didn't even know that WLAN phones are a thing
05:06 <Ysjoelfir> and I think I got what this "ATA thing is
05:08 <Halcyon> Yep, really popular. Lots of companies make them, even Cisco
05:40 <Halcyon> Or just download a soft phone to company mobile phones if they are on Wifi
05:42 <Ysjoelfir> sounds like a very nice solution. now I just need to find a wlan phone that can compete price wise with the gigaset AS690 Duo
05:57 <Ysjoelfir> company mobile phones.... heh. no such thing in existance here :D
06:04 <Ysjoelfir> we don't even have WLAN
06:13 <Ysjoelfir> (but I will install WLAN APs)
06:19 <Halcyon> Ahh well you'll need WLAN :P
06:42 <Halcyon> But yeh if you can get that sorted, just buy a bunch of wireless IP phones
07:29 <Halcyon> We used to use the Cisco 8821 phones in the cops. They are discontinued now, but maybe you can buy a bunch for cheap?
07:51 <Halcyon> (No idea if they are compatible with "open" VoIP servers though)
08:16 <Ysjoelfir> fun fact, me asking if there is a company WLAN was what started this whole "lets rebuild the network" thing
08:39 <Halcyon> Sounds like you have about 15-20 years to catch up on
08:46 <Halcyon> Do it once, do it properly I say.
09:13 <steve30> an ATA is what is used in this video, which you commented on
09:13 <steve30> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkd_BlunX58
09:13 <EEVBot> [url] GPO 746 connected to Voice-Over-IP - YouTube | www.youtube.com
09:53 <steve30> I was just talking to Halcyon through it :)
10:01 <steve30> anyway, i need to go out in the rain now
10:02 <steve30> back later
10:03 <Ysjoelfir> ooooh, I remember that one! :D nice!
10:08 <Ysjoelfir> enjoy the rain :)
10:13 Quit: steve30 ([email protected]) Quit: <Baljem> steve30: by the way, I had the most bizarre dream the other day that someone came in here and seriously flipped their shit over your quit message and why aren't the ops /doing/ something about it
10:47 <Ysjoelfir> Halcyon - yes, I want to do that properly. we settled for pulling fibers as well, instead of trying to somehow rescue this shitbucket using the old cables
11:10 <Halcyon> Good stuff :)
11:36 <Halcyon> You can buy multi-core fibre fairly cheap, Ubiquiti sell lengths for peanuts
11:50 <Halcyon> All you need is the appropriate SFP/SFP+ module at each end
14:43 <Ampera> good morning
15:04 <Halcyon> Herro Ampera
15:15 <Ampera> hi Halcyon
15:19 <Ampera> how are you doing
15:34 <Halcyon> Not too bad, how's you?
15:39 <Ampera> just woke up
15:59 <Ampera> about 40 minutes until I have to drive to work
16:11 <Ysjoelfir> I will need to read into the whole fiber thing a bit more, but it seems pretty straightforward
16:14 <Ysjoelfir> hi Ampera
16:53 <Halcyon> Ysjoelfir, just get your head around single mode and multimode and work out which suits you better
17:08 <Ysjoelfir> ok
17:15 <Halcyon> But you have to have the modules to match the wavelength(s) used too, so research pricing.
22:03 <Ysjoelfir> yep. I had a bit of a hassle when I tried 10GBits on my private network back in FFM
29:04 <Halcyon> Oh?
00:50 <Ysjoelfir> yeah, I mean, it worked pretty good and without much of a problem, but I was kind of overwhelmed trying to figure out which fiber is best used for what and so on
11:02 <Ampera> I have made error of errors
11:11 <Ampera> I made a nice big cup of tea, left for the office, and forgot it at home
11:12 <Ampera> q.q
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23:51 <Ysjoelfir> Noooooooooooooo!!!!!
23:53 <Ysjoelfir> How dare you!
25:20 <Halcyon> Greta wasted valuable computing cycles and energy watching her crap
25:28 <Halcyon> I should charge her
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29:09 <jaymax> Charge her with solar power right?
29:58 <Halcyon> She stole my bandwidth and time, how dare she
30:09 <jaymax> Oh, the other kind of charge.
30:12 <jaymax> Please.
30:14 <jaymax> Do that.
30:20 <Halcyon> She needs a smack
30:34 <jaymax> She needs the silent treatment.
30:37 <Halcyon> She is turning into a Karen
30:46 <jaymax> Wasn't she already?
31:02 <Halcyon> Yeh I guess
31:11 <Halcyon> Her parents aren't any better
31:40 <jaymax> Of course not. They wanted to pop out a climate psycho, and they got exactly that.
33:16 <jaymax> How easy is it to buy Redflow or Gelion batteries in your neck of the woods?
33:40 <Ysjoelfir> Halcyon, do you know of any affordable wlan ip phones? I can't find any o.o or, like, any at all
35:15 <jaymax> They look compelling (particularly the latter) but they're unobtanium here so I'm seeing it as either a trade barrier or they're not at production scale yet.
35:15 <Ampera> Ysjoelfir, define affordable
35:29 <Ampera> PBX gear is hilariously expensive, unless you go truly medieval
36:11 <Ampera> My naive approach would be to look into DAHDI cards, but there are many reasons why that is a shit idea.
36:32 <jaymax> Meanwhile Grandstream HT-802's are at a cost of two pizzas.
36:47 <Ampera> ^ probably should do something like that
37:01 <Ampera> DAHDI cards are neat, but also a stupid idea
37:16 <Ampera> I have one, though I no longer use mine
37:31 <Ampera> I think I might invest in an ATA PBX when I have my own house
37:54 <Ampera> A telephone in every room seems like a good way to cement to guests that I am a serial killer and they should watch their step.
38:04 * jaymax owns a house and the HandyTone keeps me sane.
38:22 <Ampera> yes, but I am not sane, so it is already too late for me
39:06 <jaymax> Well, you are givng the serial killer "implication", so that checks out in a 90's TV drama sort of way.
39:19 <jaymax> Or a Dennis Reynolds
39:30 <jaymax> Because of the implication.
39:31 <Ysjoelfir> Ampera, well, I can get 2 Siemens DECT phones for 56€. we need 15 for the company. and I would love to be able to eliminate all "real" telephone stuff, as I doubt that it will live much longer in general, as we don't really have much telephoning going on at all
40:02 <Ampera> Ysjoelfir, how is that so totally expensive?
40:17 <Ampera> 28EUR/pop sounds cheap to equip an office
41:02 <Ysjoelfir> thats DECT phones
41:04 <jaymax> Ysjoelfir, if you "doubt that it will live much longer in general, as we don't really have much telephoning going on at all" then why overthink it?
41:04 <Ampera> Come raid our office. Every desk has a phone, including all of dev, but literally nobody ever uses the phones here unless they're in support or sales
41:17 <Ysjoelfir> the only WLAN phones I found were 200+ each
41:24 <Ampera> oh
41:30 <Ampera> but are they IP phones?
41:45 <jaymax> Set up soft-phones on the workstations and buy headsets.
41:51 <Ampera> ^ is also an option
41:52 <Ysjoelfir> the wlan ones? yes. the DECT ones, no. they are just DECT handsets, needing a DECT infrastructure that does not exist here.
42:06 <Ampera> Look for IP phones that plug in via ethernet
42:23 <Ampera> that's what we have, and they'll probably be a lot cheaper
42:55 <Ysjoelfir> softphoneheadsets are not an option, we have too many people that are already completely overwhelmed with opening a word document. I want to go with wired IP phones for those people, but have wireless phones for people like me and mr. boss, who run around all day and do shit
43:32 <MrMobodies> I have an ata100 pbx adapter with a trial with my ISP
43:32 <Ampera> wlan is a bad idea, imo. I've never seen it handle applications like that well
43:48 <MrMobodies> ooh I mean Cisco spa120
43:54 <Ampera> If people need to move around, buy some cellphones :P
44:09 <Ampera> then you don't even need a PBX to use it
44:14 <MrMobodies> in my village the signal here is poor
44:15 <electrohead> o/
44:20 <Ysjoelfir> there is no mobile signal around here :D
44:25 <MrMobodies> but in a couple of years I could se masts going up
44:27 <Ysjoelfir> like, zero
44:33 <Ysjoelfir> mornings mr. head
44:43 <electrohead> good morning
44:53 <MrMobodies> if I order something and the mobile is in the wrong place
44:54 <electrohead> so like, someone go to work for me? plz k n thx
44:56 <electrohead> lol
44:58 <MrMobodies> don't get the text at all
45:40 <MrMobodies> I mean the two factor thing
45:50 <MrMobodies> that's how poor the signal is
46:18 <MrMobodies> I have an aerial in the attic
46:23 <MrMobodies> which helps a bit with signal
46:24 <Ampera> Ysjoelfir, get a nanocell
46:50 <Halcyon> Ysjoelfir, on the cheaper end of the market, see if you can get the Grandstream phones: https://www.grandstream.com/products/ip-voice-telephony/wifi-cordless
46:50 <EEVBot> [url] Wi-Fi Cordless IP Phones | Grandstream Networks | www.grandstream.com
47:03 <Halcyon> You can get cheaper (nastier) stuff I'm sure as well
47:20 <Ysjoelfir> whats a nanocell?
47:34 <Ysjoelfir> and the cheapest grandstream I found was said 200€ thing :D
47:35 <jaymax> Ysjoelfir: I'll suggest the HandyTone with a vtech cordless kit - as many handsets you can get for the line. The tech hesitant will share the line and there's an intercom function with it too.
47:53 <MrMobodies> my provider has given me two routers, with voip ports and a proxy thing
47:56 <Ampera> Ysjoelfir, you can typically order them from a cellular telco. They're small cell towers that can sit in your business to get mobile service
48:06 <Ampera> They only typically work with one provider, though
48:25 <Ampera> but if all you care about is company phones, it's less barbaric than wlan imo
48:28 <Halcyon> If price is an issue, look at something like the Yealink's
48:32 <MrMobodies> https://www.voipfone.co.uk/shop.php?method=view&pid=116
48:33 <EEVBot> [url] Voipfone - Technicolor DGA0122 | www.voipfone.co.uk
48:34 <Ampera> that being said, I don't know what I'm talking about :)
48:37 <Halcyon> They are cheap Chinese, but they do the job I suppose
48:39 <MrMobodies> AAAH Yealinks
48:39 <Ampera> maybe wlan phones are fine, they're obviously made
48:50 <MrMobodies> I was paranoid about them
48:52 <Halcyon> They come in DECT varients if you want to stick with the old technology
48:55 <jaymax> https://www.newegg.com/grandstream-ht802-adapter/p/0Y1-003X-00007?Description=ht-802
48:56 <EEVBot> [url] Grandstream Ht802 Voip Gateway - Newegg.com | www.newegg.com
49:01 <electrohead> !beer Halcyon
49:01 * EEVBot pings a beer can off of Halcyon's head
49:12 <Halcyon> Hey electrohead
49:15 <MrMobodies> my ISP wanted to charge £10 £15? a handset per month
49:17 <electrohead> hey mate
49:23 <MrMobodies> er yealink and I said no way
49:36 <Halcyon> MrMobodies, yeh I wouldn't trust them as far as I can throw them (from a security perspective) but from a functionality point of view, they are fine
49:40 <Ysjoelfir> having learnt about that wlan thing, I don't want to build up a DECT infrastructure. so I will look at YEEEEEAAAAAAlinks. Have one of these at home, and I hate that thing. but it was cheap.
49:44 <MrMobodies> then after nagging them they offered to do this thing with the Cisco SPA122 and BT centrix
49:56 <MrMobodies> £5 a month incuidng cat
49:58 <MrMobodies> *vat
50:01 <Ysjoelfir> but i also found a supplier for the grandstram 810 model, for 80. thats ok imho
50:11 <Halcyon> Ysjoelfir, if you're going to do things properly, it's going to cost your company dollars. Simple fact.
50:24 <MrMobodies> I have a friend who has a 2 port grandstream for some years now
50:28 <Halcyon> Considering they haven't invested much in IT in 20 years, probably about time
50:31 <MrMobodies> he said he had no problems with it ever
50:52 <MrMobodies> and the voice sounded perfectly fine
51:20 <MrMobodies> unlike some other VOIP converter thing he brought before that
52:20 <Halcyon> Also check out Sangoma, they do decent IP phones, not sure if they have portable ones
53:28 <Halcyon> Alternatively, you could look at buying a used lot of Cisco, Polycom, Avaya or Nortel phones, all great quality but do your homework with respect to what systems they do (and don't) work with
53:54 <Halcyon> Whilst it's IP-based voice, they might be locked to certain codecs or require a proprietary controller
54:17 <MrMobodies> This looks nice
54:18 <MrMobodies> https://www.sangoma.com/products/phones-and-devices/dect-phones/
54:18 <EEVBot> [url] DECT Phones - Sangoma Technologies | www.sangoma.com
54:22 <Ysjoelfir> Halcyon, well, you have to remember one thing: this building is only rented, and we are here for 5 years now. so any investment in infrastructure is basically an investment into somethign that doesn't give much of a return as it will stay here.
54:25 <MrMobodies> supports freepbx too
54:31 <Halcyon> Polycom tend to be the most "open" out of that bunch
54:32 <Ysjoelfir> but in general, I totally agree
54:33 <jaymax> Yeah if you can find a Norstar unit that might work but it's a Canadian/USA product and probably belongs in a museum at this point.
54:55 <Halcyon> Ysjoelfir, which is why I would recommend implementing decent enterprise WiFi.
55:08 <Halcyon> Minimal cabling and access points can be removed and taken with you
55:19 <Ysjoelfir> exactly my thought. we can just take the APs and phones and stuff with us when we move.
55:43 <Halcyon> Just don't skimp on the access points, even for small numbers of users. Go with the enterprise stuff
56:11 <Halcyon> These days I pretty much won't touch anything except Ubiquiti, Cisco/Meraki or Aruba/HP
56:12 <MrMobodies> I have some old ancient ones that continue to work
56:19 <MrMobodies> I have had no problems with them
56:21 <electrohead> Oh just hard wire everything, problem solved
56:23 * electrohead runs
56:23 <Halcyon> Maaaaayb Ruckus (if they are still in business)
56:33 <jaymax> They are not.
56:34 <MrMobodies> and they are all metal
56:37 <Halcyon> There you go
56:47 <MrMobodies> that's why I like enterprise stuff
57:08 <Ysjoelfir> my swiss workmates prefer ubiquity as well. or Mikrotik.
57:11 <jaymax> At least, we can't any support out of them anymore and moved to Ubiquiti.
57:13 <Halcyon> I'd also add Motorola to that list, but it's expensive shit and I think they may have sold their Wifi business to someone else??? Could be wrong.
57:27 <jaymax> Probably Lenovo.
57:37 <Halcyon> Mikrotik is great gear, but not sure if I'd implement it in a corporate production environment
57:52 <Halcyon> The UI and config tends to be a bit quirky, but if you can master it, go nuts.
58:02 <Halcyon> Good hardware at a good price, just know their limitations.
58:14 <Halcyon> I think you're right Jaymax
58:27 <Halcyon> I haven't touched Motorola Wifi gear for about 15 years
59:32 <MrMobodies> I went into this charity box and found this Dlink Archer router offering ac 1500mbps. When I read the box only 100mbps ports on the switch and port wan.
59:37 <MrMobodies> I thought what a joke
59:42 <jaymax> Sony Ericsson probably has something. And be a bit more Euro-centric, too.
00:07 <Halcyon> MrMobodies, that's not that unusual. Real world Wifi speeds are about half of what the OS reports anyway
00:16 <Halcyon> (since it's half-duplex)
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00:38 <Halcyon> Even the enterprise 802.11ax stuff you get from Ubiquiti has 1 gig LAN ports
00:42 <MrMobodies> I see so they are trying to balance it out a bit
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01:11 <Halcyon> But if you're talking about client-to-client comms via wireless, then yeh, the speeds can exceed that
01:53 <Halcyon> But that depends on your set up, you may want to enable wireless client isolation, so that all client traffic goes in/out of the LAN port on the AP
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02:36 <Halcyon> Unless you pay big dollars, you aren't going to get 10 gig copper on an access point
03:41 <Halcyon> https://www.grandstream.com/products/ip-voice-telephony/wifi-cordless
03:42 <EEVBot> [url] Wi-Fi Cordless IP Phones | Grandstream Networks | www.grandstream.com
03:44 <Halcyon> Dammit
03:50 <Halcyon> I meant: https://store.ui.com/products/unifi-wifi-basestation-xg
03:51 <EEVBot> [url] WiFi BaseStation XG – Ubiquiti Inc. | store.ui.com
03:53 <Halcyon> This kind of thing
04:41 <Halcyon> But that's when you're getting into the many-hundreds of clients territory. Really dense installations.
08:07 <Ampera> you're a really dense installation, Halcyon
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09:57 <Ampera> <3
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12:13 <Halcyon> Gr
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19:36 <Halcyon> I should go to bed
22:00 <Halcyon> Might watch some John Ward: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WNAHhQEn9U
22:01 <EEVBot> [url] Types Of RCD - YouTube | www.youtube.com
23:26 <Ysjoelfir> I still think its fascinating, that JW looked (like 10 years ago) very simmilar to my dad at the time he died
23:43 <Halcyon> Heh
23:52 <Halcyon> I find him really interesting
23:59 <Halcyon> But his content has slowed down a lot
25:49 <Ysjoelfir> yeah, definitely
26:13 <Ysjoelfir> but, if you are interested what I meant: take for example this video from 2016 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXJGBWf1kkE
26:13 <EEVBot> [url] Cheapo Solder Pot of Failure - YouTube | www.youtube.com
26:37 <Ysjoelfir> and compare to this old pic of my dad https://drive.google.com/file/d/1zpZP0Nhke_cj8qcKJZNfdBx9TFOCnEV6/view?usp=sharing
26:38 <EEVBot> [url] https://drive.google.com/file/d/1zpZP0Nhke_cj8qcKJZNfdBx9TFOCnEV6/view?usp=sharing | drive.google.com
27:11 <Halcyon> The hair, maybe, but your dad reminds me of someone else, but I can't put my finger on it
29:00 <Ysjoelfir> the hair definitely, thats what triggered me back than. xD its not obvious from that one shitty pic, but also his facial expressions were pretty simmilar when he talked, also the wrinkles on the forehead and around the mouth. made me lol a bit, as I discovered JW like a month after he died.
29:21 <Ysjoelfir> and... I would be very curious who came into your mind, but not under your figer :P
30:06 <Halcyon> Some kind of actor
30:22 <Halcyon> T3sl4 might be able to help
34:41 <Halcyon> Oh I know who it is
34:43 <Halcyon> https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0572112/
34:43 <EEVBot> [url] Craig McLachlan - IMDb | www.imdb.com
34:53 <Halcyon> He is an Aussie actor
35:38 <Halcyon> Ysjoelfir's dad: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0572112/mediaviewer/rm1962345216?ref_=nmmi_mi_all_pbl_13
35:38 <EEVBot> [url] Craig McLachlan | www.imdb.com
36:29 <Ysjoelfir> Hahaha :D When he was younger that could be simmilar, yeah
36:49 <Halcyon> That's what came to mind initially
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