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00:05:05 <s_gmusic> Want to use Occult for my Aasimar, not sure what class to build. :/
00:13:21 <Steven> Build a water bender
00:20:26 <s_gmusic> I skipped over the Kineticist entry since a few locals wouldn't shut up about it, I'll get back to that one eventually. Was thinking Psychic or Occultist at first, but then I seen the Onmyoji and thought about a Spiritualist (which seems really close to the Summoner).
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01:20:52 <Steven> yeah spiritualist is a pretty cool class.
01:25:37 <Mekkis> !spell transport via plants
01:26:29 <Mekkis> !spell transport via plants
01:26:32 <diebot> Mekkis, TRANSPORT VIA PLANTS conjuration (teleportation[]) druid 6, shaman 7 1 standard action Range: unlimited you and touched objects or other touched willing creatures Comp: V, S Duration: 1 round Save: none SR:noSource: PFRPG Core
01:26:32 <diebot> The description is too long to send over IRC. View http://nl.ti4200.info/vpsirc/spells/transport_via_plants.html
01:50:31 <s_gmusic> damn wizards... http://i.imgur.com/3wp7BOi.png
03:28:28 <steven> sup
03:31:42 <Steven1> makin a Lawful Neutral Female Gnome Wizard
03:34:11 <steven> killed the players tonight in Crypt of the Everflame
03:37:02 <Steven1> well... we have a potential new pain in the ass at the store.
03:37:11 <Steven1> argued with me bout grapple rules.
03:37:34 <Avatar> to dip
03:38:37 <Avatar> Lintor: I make a ruling and say look it up later, but if someone's going to be unmoving on their position to that degree, it's worth looking it up there and then
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03:39:10 <Avatar> there's moving on with the game and then there's keeping the peace
03:39:42 <Avatar> if it still doesn't quell after that, you escalate again and talk to them privately to get them to sort out their shit or walk
03:40:09 <Steven1> grappled a creature, pinned creature, next turn i ask would he like to tie it up, he said no he wants to just continue pinning.
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03:40:54 <Steven1> He fails to maintain even with the +5 vs the creatured pinned CMD. creature breaks free.
03:41:12 <Steven1> creatures turn, he will move away from you.
03:41:15 <Steven1> "he cant i
03:41:19 <Steven1> I'm still grappling him.
03:41:26 <Avatar> it might be worth being clear, I wouldn't use those words
03:41:36 <Steven1> No, you failed to maintain grapple ends.
03:41:56 <Steven1> and so /start arguement.
03:42:16 <Steven1> and then he used the line on me of "I've been playing Pathfinder for 8 years, thats not how it works"
03:42:41 <Avatar> I'd reason with them that that's the rule, they read it themselves, ask them if they want me to override the rule or get their take on it, reaffirm or change my stance, and remind them everyone's here to have fun, please try to settle down and enjoy it with everyone else, okay?
03:43:05 <Avatar> did anyone notice that rolling a 1 on UMD to activate a wand doesn't necessarily mean auto-fail
03:43:09 <Avatar> and if that still doesn't work, then I'd ask them to leave the table for everyone else's benefit
03:43:14 <Steven1> so i used the line "Hi, I'm Steven Huffstutler Venture Lieutenant, 5-Star GM. We'll use my interpretation."
03:43:49 <Steven1> Yes avatar, if you roll a natural 1 on a UMD and fail to activate a wand you can no longer use the wand. If you roll a Natural 1 and it still succeeds the wand is good to go.
03:43:58 <Avatar> why not just get him to look it up
03:44:11 <Steven1> he furiously looked it up while we continued with the game.j
03:44:35 <Steven1> yo avatar.
03:44:38 <Avatar> but I mean, saying "I'm a venture lieutenant with 5 stars" isn't any better than what he said
03:44:49 <Avatar> how do you feel
03:44:56 <Steven1> tonight we were playin the game... got destroyed by a Half devil Otyugh
03:45:03 <Steven1> I'm leaving out the rules conversation we had where i explained to him how grapple checks work.
03:45:13 <Steven1> flat out japanese hentai tenticle porn raped
03:45:21 <Avatar> doesn't matter, if he insists on it, the rulebook is right there
03:45:33 <Steven1> to which he said the i've been playing for 8 years bit.
03:45:53 <Steven1> and i responded with basically "My Dick!"
03:46:50 <Avatar> sounds a bit NSFW
03:47:05 <Avatar> does your crew really do rapeplay in your games
03:47:24 <Steven1> he didnt want to look it up, he wanted his interpretation of the rules as his home brew GMs have done.
03:48:11 <Steven1> so far in this game yes... every session is just us flailing miserably against a challenge that we should be good to murder.
03:48:25 <Steven1> and after i basically told him no, then he decided to look it up, and after which he has decided he wont ever try to grapple again because its dumb.
03:48:32 <Steven1> game=AP that we are playing.
03:48:48 <Steven1> aka i was right and if you fail to maintain a grapple the defender gets free.
03:49:09 <Steven1> We have not legitimately won a boss fight yet. We always have to bargain our way out of it once everyone is down.
03:50:06 <Avatar> he can think whatever rule is dumb that he likes
03:50:14 <Avatar> but him being a jerk shouldn't mean you should also be a jerk
03:50:17 <Avatar> especially if you're the GM
03:50:26 <Avatar> especially if you're the VL
03:50:53 <Steven1> i wasnt a jerk, i just gave him what he tried to give to me.
03:51:13 <Avatar> he gave you jerkiness
03:51:15 <Avatar> sounds like you'd enjoy this game mek
03:51:36 <Avatar> the diplomacy is simple: "look it up"
03:51:58 <Steven1> here... lets go through the interaction again.
03:52:25 <Steven1> level 5... expected wealth for a character is 10.5k
03:52:50 <Steven1> my character has... sorry had... a total wealth of about 3k.
03:53:03 <Steven1> so we TPK'd tonight... rolling up new characters.
03:53:11 <Steven1> because our bodies are not recoverable.
03:53:17 <Avatar> I always get worried when mekkis looks up an obscure spell
03:53:28 <Avatar> how will you abuse this one
03:53:31 <Steven1> getting to make a character with 8k... im like wtf... so much golds!
03:53:39 <steven> horrible
03:53:56 <steven> skeletal champion fighter 2
03:53:58 <steven> super dumb
03:55:06 <steven> i didnt roll below a 10 on any of his attacks.
03:55:24 <Avatar> ops
03:55:48 <Avatar> I remember almost dying to a skeletal champion in a 1-5
03:56:10 <Avatar> shortly before actually dying to a hungry dog that doesn't get hungry
03:56:11 <Steven> planting treants everywhere
03:56:12 <steven> skeletal champions are pretty dirty vs 1-2s
03:56:13 <Steven1> Grapple(him), Fail to escape grapple(me), Pin(him), Fail to escape pin(me), fail to maintain(him), withdraw(me), No im still grappling(him), Sadly you're not due to rules(me), Thats not right these are the rules(him), These are the rules look it up if you'd like(me), Snarky I've been playing for 8 years(him), Snarky reply of Credentials and moving on(me), Checking rules in a book and frustration at dumb rules(him)
03:56:27 <steven> making it a fight level 2 as well is just dickish
03:56:52 <Steven> and transport them to the battlefield... go go!
03:56:55 <Avatar> I'm sure that's true because I was a level 3 playing against skeletal champion 4/5s
03:57:19 <steven> +9 to hit for 1d8+5
03:57:23 <steven> ac 20
03:57:29 <steven> 39 hit points
03:57:48 <steven> has combat expertise and power attack
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03:58:22 <Steven1> just because im a VO doesnt mean i have to put up with peoples shit or even be nice. Examples include Andrew Christian, Don Walker, Mike Azzillo, and of course... myself.
03:58:29 <steven> i did not engage power attack because would have made it +7 for 1d8+11
03:58:37 <Avatar> how do you plant a treant
03:58:44 <steven> just one shot most level 1s
03:58:50 <mib_uoral0> Hi
03:59:19 <mib_uoral0> I like to drink the bluud
03:59:25 <mib_uoral0> Out of in the person
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04:01:08 <Steven1> oh oh oh... fuck... whats the saying... Sorry not sorry or some thing
04:01:16 <Steven> http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/c/changestaff
04:01:40 <Steven1> also talkin to walter. he had a good laugh off of it.
04:07:13 <Avatar> none of that process changes anything
04:07:32 <Avatar> instead of snarky reply of credentials, "yeah I get it, look it up and confirm it"
04:07:52 <Avatar> that will get him off your back without being provocative about it
04:12:07 <Mekkis> Avatar, how is that obscure? It's in the CRB
04:16:16 <Steven1> !rand str dex
04:16:22 <Steven1> !rng str dex
04:16:22 <diebot> Steven1, dex
04:24:22 <Avatar> nobody ever takes it
04:24:34 <Avatar> for you to have an interest in it, something is up
04:25:16 <Steven1> I did that. I explained the rules interaction and FURTHER told him to look it up if he wanted. After which he came back with a snarky reply of how long he has played in an attempt to manipulate me into giving him his way.
04:25:32 <Avatar> reiterate
04:28:18 <Steven> avatar so nervous!
04:28:27 <Avatar> ya
04:30:01 <Steven1> are you under the impression this was a 20-30second conversation where i was being obtuse or diliberately misleading in my explanations of the rules? I wasnt, I stated the rules, answered his questions with further knowledge of the rule in dispute, and only after it was CLEAR i was knowledgable of the rules did he make a statement based not in the system but rather on HIS experience of how they should work with a snarky and demeaning tone towards
04:30:32 <Avatar> yeah I get it
04:30:56 <Avatar> if you have an issue with his behaviour, saying "well I'm a 5-star VL" isn't going to de-escalate it
04:30:57 <Steven1> brb, dog gotta go out
04:32:00 <Avatar> if saying look it up again isn't enough because you're pissed at his behaviour, then tell him you already told him to look it up and he should either tone it down or walk
04:32:57 <Avatar> if he actually wants it solved, then reiterate looking it up and either he's right and he wins or he's wrong and he should let it go
05:16:46 <Steven> Alright avatar, and lets say you do that and it escalates to the point where you're going to have to ask the player to leave the table. Its a 3 player table w/ 1 pregen to start with, you kick him off and now its a 2 player table w/ 1 pregen which would be an illegal table and the game is over.
05:42:56 <Avatar> so add another pregen to make up his spot
05:43:16 <Avatar> it's not like you planned it to run that way, but it's worse to keep the trouble player there
05:43:40 <Avatar> or to just say "sorry guys either we play with the dickhead or we wrap up. what'll it be?"
05:54:11 <steven> will not happen.
05:54:32 <steven> unless there is a zombie apoc that starts there... then i will fly out
05:54:58 <steven> so... my neighbors are going full blown crackhead tonight.
05:55:03 <Mekkis> more likely to start where you are
05:55:57 <Steven> time to find some magical abilities to put on my wizard's armor
05:59:02 <steven> and thats why i live here.
05:59:18 <Mekkis> you're that eager?
05:59:45 <steven> I got my kill list made up and everything... first to go are my crackhead neighbors.
06:00:02 <steven> while they arent on the top they are geographically closest
06:02:33 <Steven> maybe an animated Mirrored shield.
06:03:17 <Mekkis> So when there's a zombie outbreak, you're going to off your neighbours?!
06:03:42 <Avatar> no sorry
06:03:45 <Avatar> don't even know what it is
06:04:29 <Mekkis> it's a concert
06:04:51 <s_gmusic> this... this sounds like it was a great game. http://i.imgur.com/670Y5gP.png
06:05:26 <steven> yeah, You have to kill off some of the dumb people immediately otherwise they become zombies
06:05:51 <steven> so if they dont leave... gotta kill em.
06:09:33 <steven> plus... i really hate my neighbors.
06:12:36 <steven> they got raided last week for drug related charges.
06:13:19 <Steven> according to the guide you've gotta stop the game. You need 3 players to run a legal game.
06:14:09 <Steven> i want pumpkin pie right now something fierce.
06:16:31 <Mekkis> Did you call the cops on them?
06:22:16 <Avatar> maybe you should've asked them if they wanted to play pathfinder after your old group screwed you over
06:26:29 <steven> I didnt call em. One of the idiots had a warrant out for his arrest.
06:26:46 <steven> gets spotted, goes into the house and refuses to come out.
06:26:59 <steven> this was at like 8pm
06:29:03 <steven> so at about 10pm the cops manage to get the judge out of bed and get a signed warrant to search the premisis, and they go in there with like 15 cops... dumb fuck guy refuses to comply with officer's orders to lay down with hands behind head.
06:29:16 <steven> so they taser his dumb ass.
06:30:26 <steven> could have saved them all about 2hrs and a taser to the chest if he had just come out of the house.
06:32:07 <Steven2> well that was a surprisingly decent movie.
06:40:30 <Steven> they had no pumpkin pie at the store.
06:40:34 <Steven> much sadness was had
06:40:44 <Mekkis> And a charge of resisting arrest?
06:41:56 <steven> who knows, i stopped talking to them. crack heads and criminals, i dont wanna be caught in either one.
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06:42:42 <steven> wish they had taken them all to jail... but only that one guy got arrested... they had too long to flush all the drugs.
06:44:59 <Mekkis> the cops didn't start by turning off the water?
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06:54:24 <Steven> votin... so many horrible items.
07:35:43 <Avatar> what does the guide say about how to handle jerks
07:37:02 <steven> fantastic game
07:39:18 <Steven> stone of good luck seems like a good purchase
07:42:11 <Steven> table variation
07:42:34 <Steven> seriously want pumpkin pie right now.
07:44:02 <Steven> i could buy an apparatus of the crab
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07:56:25 <Avatar> that does sound awesome
07:57:12 <Avatar> brunius up to your old tricks in the middle of the night again
07:57:25 <Steven> buying a cloak of resistance +5
08:04:12 <steven> sup avatar
08:04:14 <steven> how you doin buddy
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08:20:51 <Mekkis> Seriously, if it's a choice between providing a good experience for the players, and following the rules, I guarantee that it's the rules that are going to lose out.
08:32:47 <Mekkis> Avatar, Transport via Plants is pretty nonabusable. It's basically Teleport for Druids with some restrictions.
08:32:56 <Mekkis> With some creativity, you can get around most restrictions
08:34:17 <Steven> and what if its new players and one veteran player who is demanding that you follow his homebrew rules intead of the rules as written.
08:41:00 <Mekkis> !spell infernal healing
08:41:04 <diebot> Mekkis, INFERNAL HEALING conjuration (healing[evil]) cleric/oracle 1, magus 1, sorcerer/wizard 1, summoner 1, witch 1 1 round Range: touch creature touched Comp: V, S, M (1 drop of devil blood or 1 dose of unholy water) Duration: 1 minute Save: Will negates (harmless) SR:yes (harmless)Source: Inner Sea World Guide
08:41:04 <diebot> You anoint a wounded creature with devil's blood or unholy water, giving it fast healing 1. This ability cannot repair damage caused by silver weapons, good-aligned weapons, or spells or effects with the good descriptor. The target detects as an evil creature for the duration of the spell and can sense the evil of the magic, though this has no
08:41:04 <diebot> long-term effect on the target's alignment.
08:48:32 <Mekkis> explain to the veteran that you've made the ruling..
08:51:13 <Steven> but what if he's played for 8 years and obviously knows the rules better then you.
08:58:41 <s_gmusic> interesting view point: http://i.imgur.com/OPnzZdk.png
08:59:05 <Steven> tree tokens... OP son
14:02:11 <mib_uoral0> Hi
14:02:39 <mib_uoral0> I like to drink the bluud
14:02:45 <mib_uoral0> Out of in the person
16:47:36 <Avatar> <Mekkis> With some creativity, you can get around most restrictions
16:47:47 <Avatar> that's how abuse starts
17:10:08 <s_gmusic> Feather Token: Tree costs 400g/ea. Got a familiar? Can use that to put the token somewhere and then Transport to it. Seems a bit expensive to do, though.
17:11:12 <steven> you can still flush things downt he toilet if the water is off
17:28:30 <Mekkis> once.
17:52:31 <steven> unless you have a gallon or two of water about.
18:00:33 <Avatar> brunius up to your old tricks in the middle of the night again
18:19:37 <Avatar> I don't know many people who have a gallon of water just waiting
18:20:12 <Avatar> or maybe they do, I guess I don't ask
18:22:27 <Avatar> if you think he might be right, then use his version
18:22:41 <Avatar> if you're sure you're right, ask him to look it up
18:31:27 <steven> I have 10 gallons of water sitting in my kitchen.
18:44:21 <Mekkis> !spell infernal healing
18:44:24 <diebot> Mekkis, INFERNAL HEALING conjuration (healing[evil]) cleric/oracle 1, magus 1, sorcerer/wizard 1, summoner 1, witch 1 1 round Range: touch creature touched Comp: V, S, M (1 drop of devil blood or 1 dose of unholy water) Duration: 1 minute Save: Will negates (harmless) SR:yes (harmless)Source: Inner Sea World Guide
18:44:25 <diebot> You anoint a wounded creature with devil's blood or unholy water, giving it fast healing 1. This ability cannot repair damage caused by silver weapons, good-aligned weapons, or spells or effects with the good descriptor. The target detects as an evil creature for the duration of the spell and can sense the evil of the magic, though this has no
18:44:25 <diebot> long-term effect on the target's alignment.
18:49:42 <Mekkis> The number of times my ex-VC has said "I'm a 4-star VC" in order to justify his rulings (such as that delivering a touch spell provokes AoO, or that mounts can't take a five-foot step after their attacks to let their riders attack) cements the fact that appeal to authority is counterproductive.)
18:50:24 <Mekkis> I recall that Stephen White always maintains that he's a VC, but this doesn't mean that he knows all the rules.
18:50:58 <Avatar> I don't remember stephen ever getting into a rules dispute
19:02:01 <s_gmusic> interesting view point: http://i.imgur.com/OPnzZdk.png
19:07:53 <Mekkis> he doesn't
19:30:35 <Mekkis> s_gmusic, by the time you're 11th level, 400gp is pocket change
19:36:54 <s_gmusic> true
20:13:35 <Lintor> stephen has put right said that most people know the rules better than him. that he has his position due to his ability to organize and run awesome games
20:13:49 <Lintor> (I added the awesome games part)
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20:49:36 <Steven1> built me a rogue... im not playing him if i can help it...
20:50:41 <Steven1> i just really hate the fort/will save being so low.
20:58:23 <Avatar> did you guys hear about the UC errata
21:00:37 <Mekkis> more recent that the stuff last year?
21:01:21 <Avatar> like days ago
21:01:29 <Avatar> maybe today
21:01:41 <Avatar> http://paizo.com/products/btpy8mcz?Pathfinder-Roleplaying-Game-Ultimate-Combat
21:02:06 <Lintor> it was today havn't had a chance to look at it
21:04:46 <Avatar> another crane wing change
21:10:24 <Steven1> it was released yesterday.
21:10:37 <Steven1> and yeah people were talkin about it all night while we were playing.
21:10:48 <Steven1> titan mauler got a fix yay
21:13:33 <Steven1> alright, so i made the rogue, im going to play it.
21:17:40 <Lintor> oh crane style doesn't suck again
21:46:55 <Steven> no... avatar... he has been playing for 8 years... he knows the rules!
21:59:03 <Steven1> Its the first time i've ever said I'm a 5 star gm so i know what im talking about. If you guys had a person that constantly said that i could see why you'd be upset by somebody saying that.
22:02:26 <Steven1> However, I explained the rules and told him to look them up in a polite manner to which i was told he knew better then I did because he'd been playing for 8 years.
22:11:45 <Steven1> level 5, 60 skill point.
22:11:59 <Steven1> seems legit
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23:45:33 <Lintor> On steven1's side though avatar don't you run with the rule that there are no rules disputes at your table's and they are to be taken up afterwards
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