// #d&d — 2015-08-17
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07:07:55 <steven> you can still flush things downt he toilet if the water is off
07:25:13 <Mekkis> once.
07:49:14 <steven> unless you have a gallon or two of water about.
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08:16:21 <Avatar> I don't know many people who have a gallon of water just waiting
08:16:55 <Avatar> or maybe they do, I guess I don't ask
08:28:10 <steven> I have 10 gallons of water sitting in my kitchen.
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17:25:11 <steven> sup
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17:33:45 <Steven1> well... we have a potential new pain in the ass at the store.
17:33:54 <Steven1> argued with me bout grapple rules.
17:36:52 <Steven1> grappled a creature, pinned creature, next turn i ask would he like to tie it up, he said no he wants to just continue pinning.
17:37:37 <Steven1> He fails to maintain even with the +5 vs the creatured pinned CMD. creature breaks free.
17:37:55 <Steven1> creatures turn, he will move away from you.
17:37:57 <Steven1> "he cant i
17:38:02 <Steven1> I'm still grappling him.
17:38:19 <Steven1> No, you failed to maintain grapple ends.
17:38:38 <Steven1> and so /start arguement.
17:38:59 <Steven1> and then he used the line on me of "I've been playing Pathfinder for 8 years, thats not how it works"
17:39:48 <Avatar> did anyone notice that rolling a 1 on UMD to activate a wand doesn't necessarily mean auto-fail
17:39:57 <Steven1> so i used the line "Hi, I'm Steven Huffstutler Venture Lieutenant, 5-Star GM. We'll use my interpretation."
17:40:32 <Steven1> Yes avatar, if you roll a natural 1 on a UMD and fail to activate a wand you can no longer use the wand. If you roll a Natural 1 and it still succeeds the wand is good to go.
17:40:41 <Avatar> why not just get him to look it up
17:40:54 <Steven1> he furiously looked it up while we continued with the game.j
17:41:21 <Avatar> but I mean, saying "I'm a venture lieutenant with 5 stars" isn't any better than what he said
17:41:46 <Steven1> I'm leaving out the rules conversation we had where i explained to him how grapple checks work.
17:42:04 <Avatar> doesn't matter, if he insists on it, the rulebook is right there
17:42:16 <Steven1> to which he said the i've been playing for 8 years bit.
17:42:36 <Steven1> and i responded with basically "My Dick!"
17:44:07 <Steven1> he didnt want to look it up, he wanted his interpretation of the rules as his home brew GMs have done.
17:45:08 <Steven1> and after i basically told him no, then he decided to look it up, and after which he has decided he wont ever try to grapple again because its dumb.
17:45:31 <Steven1> aka i was right and if you fail to maintain a grapple the defender gets free.
17:46:49 <Avatar> he can think whatever rule is dumb that he likes
17:46:56 <Avatar> but him being a jerk shouldn't mean you should also be a jerk
17:47:00 <Avatar> especially if you're the GM
17:47:09 <Avatar> especially if you're the VL
17:47:36 <Steven1> i wasnt a jerk, i just gave him what he tried to give to me.
17:47:56 <Avatar> he gave you jerkiness
17:48:19 <Avatar> the diplomacy is simple: "look it up"
17:48:41 <Steven1> here... lets go through the interaction again.
17:52:56 <Steven1> Grapple(him), Fail to escape grapple(me), Pin(him), Fail to escape pin(me), fail to maintain(him), withdraw(me), No im still grappling(him), Sadly you're not due to rules(me), Thats not right these are the rules(him), These are the rules look it up if you'd like(me), Snarky I've been playing for 8 years(him), Snarky reply of Credentials and moving on(me), Checking rules in a book and frustration at dumb rules(him)
17:55:05 <Steven1> just because im a VO doesnt mean i have to put up with peoples shit or even be nice. Examples include Andrew Christian, Don Walker, Mike Azzillo, and of course... myself.
17:57:50 <Steven1> oh oh oh... fuck... whats the saying... Sorry not sorry or some thing
17:58:22 <Steven1> also talkin to walter. he had a good laugh off of it.
18:03:56 <Avatar> none of that process changes anything
18:04:15 <Avatar> instead of snarky reply of credentials, "yeah I get it, look it up and confirm it"
18:04:35 <Avatar> that will get him off your back without being provocative about it
18:21:58 <Steven1> I did that. I explained the rules interaction and FURTHER told him to look it up if he wanted. After which he came back with a snarky reply of how long he has played in an attempt to manipulate me into giving him his way.
18:22:15 <Avatar> reiterate
18:26:44 <Steven1> are you under the impression this was a 20-30second conversation where i was being obtuse or diliberately misleading in my explanations of the rules? I wasnt, I stated the rules, answered his questions with further knowledge of the rule in dispute, and only after it was CLEAR i was knowledgable of the rules did he make a statement based not in the system but rather on HIS experience of how they should work with a snarky and demeaning tone towards
18:27:15 <Avatar> yeah I get it
18:27:39 <Avatar> if you have an issue with his behaviour, saying "well I'm a 5-star VL" isn't going to de-escalate it
18:27:40 <Steven1> brb, dog gotta go out
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18:28:43 <Avatar> if saying look it up again isn't enough because you're pissed at his behaviour, then tell him you already told him to look it up and he should either tone it down or walk
18:29:39 <Avatar> if he actually wants it solved, then reiterate looking it up and either he's right and he wins or he's wrong and he should let it go
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20:28:50 <Steven2> well that was a surprisingly decent movie.
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