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51:29 <Ballig> Avatar: is there actually an official person making the statement about the light load
51:34 <Ballig> it seems like a random person saying "you can make the argument"
55:24 <Brunius> that Joshua guy seems to be a game designer
55:48 <Ballig> aren't the game designers tagged in their posts
56:04 <Brunius> I dunno
56:15 <Brunius> He might be a messageboard admin or something
57:39 <Ballig> oh you're talking about the second post
57:45 <Ballig> isn't Joshua Frost the author of some scenarios
57:52 <Brunius> Again, I dunno
03:18 <Ballig> a level 4 druid's roc actually has a strength of 13, potentially 14
04:55 <Ballig> and his roc has muleback cords
46:22 <Mekkis> I know that
08:19 Topic for #d&d is: PFS: Sat 10am (Mekkis) | CoTE: Sun 10am || All times AEDT (UTC+11:00), CONFIRM YOUR ATTENDANCE | http://dnd.ballig.net/newbie_guide.htm
08:19 Topic for #d&d set by Avatar at Sun Nov 27 23:07:11 2011
09:14 <Mekkis> Brunius, so which character packed it in?
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20:46 <MekkisScreen> as Desna weeps for him
23:56 Nodwik_sleep_then_church is now known as Nodwik
59:07 <Avatar> not sure why I never thought of a deaf oracle being able to read lips
59:12 <Avatar> considering we took it as a skill in toee
06:50 <Mekkis> I still think it's pretty twinkish
07:02 <Avatar> what do you mean
07:08 <Avatar> what's twinkish
08:09 <Mekkis> I think it's rather powergaming at the expense of roleplaying
09:05 <Avatar> it is a bit, I guess, but that's a pretty damn minor form of powergaming
09:12 <Avatar> you're still limited by distance
09:34 <Mekkis> what?
09:46 <Mekkis> oracles use the cleric list, right
09:50 <Avatar> we picked it up in toee because we wanted to do things silently, so everyone took a point in speak language (read lips)
09:52 <Mekkis> clerics get /silence/
10:03 <Avatar> so?
10:13 <Mekkis> deaf oracles get silent spell on all their spells for free
10:30 <Mekkis> silence doesn't allow a save
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10:44 <Avatar> okay well that's a great benefit
10:49 <Avatar> but we're talking about reading lips
11:05 <Avatar> and the downside I guess
12:25 <Mekkis> reading lips lets you "hear" what you need to hear, right
13:08 <Avatar> yeah but not in the context of "hearing everything"
13:18 <Avatar> you can't say it's 100% identical to hearing
13:29 <snypt> hey guys
13:42 <Avatar> snypt
14:10 <Mekkis> indeed
14:28 <Mekkis> but it provides a big barrier to roleplaying
14:36 <Mekkis> because you can't hear NPCs
15:12 <Mekkis> or PCs 
15:14 <Mekkis> or whatever
15:47 <snypt> Avatar have you played skyrim yet?
15:57 <Avatar> not yet, not ever
16:02 <Avatar> I have 0 interest in skyrim
16:14 <snypt> =/ why?
16:19 <Avatar> I am scarred by how crap yet overhyped oblivion was
16:39 <snypt> oblivion was only ok
16:40 <Mekkis> I might download it
16:46 <snypt> skyrim is awesome
16:52 <snypt> and free
17:03 <Mekkis> free?
17:14 <snypt> well kinda
17:29 <snypt> it isnt multiplayer so you can get a cracked version
17:32 <Mekkis> downloadable?
17:38 <snypt> ye
17:51 <snypt> first time i have downloaded a game in ages
17:58 <snypt> os most of what i play is multiplayer
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18:09 <Mekkis> is it worth the bandwidth?
18:12 <Avatar-> dumb connection
18:16 <snypt> yeah
18:21 <snypt> it is only 5gb 
18:26 <snypt> but it is 5gb of awesome
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18:58 <snypt> ok who cloned avatar
19:11 <snypt> twice
19:25 <snypt> anyway just try it 
19:32 <snypt> you wont be sorry 
20:16 <Avatar_> I did
20:20 <Avatar_> dumb connection
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21:10 <Avatar_> some of the paizo shirts are cheap
21:49 <Avatar_> the phoenix one our the golem one
21:53 <Avatar_> or
21:59 <Avatar_> can't remember which
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22:22 <Avatar_> the goblin one is still $20, but they have stock
22:28 <snypt> i still think the goblin one is the best
22:48 <Avatar_> agree
22:58 <Avatar_> they really need more variety
23:07 <snypt> at first i didnt really like pathfinder goblins
23:12 <snypt> but they grew on me
23:25 <Avatar_> I don't want to go to a con where everyone is wearing the same shirt
23:44 <Avatar_> yeah after those sessions
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26:04 <Brunius_School> Sup yo
26:17 <snypt> ello
26:37 <snypt> shouldnt you be learning something?
26:48 <snypt> like how awesome skyrim is
26:52 <snypt> i can teach you
27:00 <snypt> like i will teach avatar
27:06 <snypt> even if he resists
27:14 <Brunius_School> Ha
27:20 <Brunius_School> I'm not a fan of video game RPGs
27:28 <Avatar_> brunius desna is weeping
27:29 <Brunius_School> I'm in IT
27:33 <Brunius_School> Desna?
27:43 <Avatar_> yes desna
27:51 <Avatar_> I don't know who that is either
27:57 <Avatar_> but mekkis does
28:14 <snypt> a godess
28:22 <Avatar_> he has been trying to tell you for the past 3 days
28:50 <snypt> i dont remember which godess tho
28:53 <snypt> let me check
29:07 <snypt> freedom and luck
29:18 <snypt> http://pathfinder.wikia.com/wiki/Desna
29:49 <snypt> anyway back to skyrim
30:09 <snypt> it is like nwn but in first person mode
33:03 <Avatar_> forget skyrim
33:35 <Brunius_School> Yeah
33:40 <Brunius_School> Lets play some sweet D&D
33:54 <Brunius_School> I've got until 2:55
33:56 <Brunius_School> Lets go
33:58 <Avatar_> now you're talking
34:12 <Brunius_School> I don't have CA on me though
34:14 <Avatar_> that's not long enough
34:36 <Avatar_> it's on the site, download it
35:33 <Avatar_> damn that was a good salad
35:43 <Brunius_School> What will we play?
38:44 <Avatar_> pfs
38:59 <Avatar_> well we would
38:59 <Avatar_> but 1.5 hours
39:07 <Brunius_School> Yeah
39:13 <Brunius_School> Is Ballig around?
39:17 <Brunius_School> Jaggedsoul?
41:33 <Avatar_> ballig is working obv
41:52 <Avatar_> do you see jaggedsoul
42:02 <Brunius_School> Nope
45:16 <Avatar_> WELL
05:19 <Brunius_School> What's the IP for your server, Avatar?
12:45 <Mekkis> Brunius_School, do you have confirmation about PFS@Arcanacon?
13:00 <Brunius_School> I'm going
13:04 <Brunius_School> Why?
13:13 <Mekkis> is PFS on there?
13:28 <Brunius_School> I forgot to ask
13:28 <Brunius_School> Vincent might know
13:42 <Brunius_School> Or you could get Avatar to message Darkwhite on Google+
22:19 <Avatar_> it's not up, my internet is dead
23:23 <Avatar_> is it 37 degrees today
25:20 <Brunius_School> Why is your internet dead?
25:34 <Brunius_School> Surely your router can handle 37 degrees
27:57 <Avatar_> it's an iinet issue
28:06 <Avatar_> will be back up soon
30:06 <Brunius_School> Pfft
30:07 <Brunius_School> iinet
43:23 <Avatar_> iinet is usually good
50:19 <Brunius_School> Later
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50:37 <Avatar_> what happens later
02:22 <Mekkis> I'm on iinet
02:24 <Mekkis> at work
02:26 <Mekkis> and it's up
02:29 <Mekkis> isn't it?
04:36 <Avatar_> it's in victoria
26:15 <snypt> iinet is gay
26:24 <snypt> thats why your torrents are so slow
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35:19 <Avatar> :o)
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45:59 <Mekkis> some people like sleeping in on weekends
47:30 <Avatar> sounds like the day is the problem
48:40 <Jaggedsoul> I volunteered for habitat for humanity
48:51 <Jaggedsoul> giving to the community
49:01 <Jaggedsoul> *giving back
50:24 <Mekkis> I'm feeling a bit sick
50:29 <Avatar> meaning what
51:24 <Mekkis> meaning that I might take tomorrow off
56:01 <Avatar> no re habitat for humanity
57:17 <Ballig> was I needed
57:32 <Jaggedsoul> :(
00:02 <Avatar> yeah
00:04 <Avatar> work out what jaggedsoul is trying to say
00:58 <Ballig> he's saying he can't play saturday morning
02:41 <Avatar> why not Jaggedsoul
02:49 <Ballig> because he's volunteering with habitat for humanity
02:59 <Avatar> what time
04:10 <Ballig> saturday morning
04:11 <Avatar> until when
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12:12 <Brunius_> Sup jerks
12:38 <Ballig> your the jerk
12:59 <Brunius_> You're*
13:36 <Ballig> that's the joke
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36:30 <Ballig> what's the amount of time?
36:33 <Ballig> 24 hours? 48 hours?
36:37 <Avatar> what do you think is a good amount of time
36:53 <Ballig> and how do you do combat? when you need to respond a lot
37:08 <Avatar> you just do it, how hard is combat
37:11 <Brunius> Combat goes sooooo slowly in PbP
37:15 <Avatar> combat would be the easiest part
37:18 <Ballig> no
37:21 <Ballig> combat would be the hardest part
37:26 <Avatar> why, it's just numbers
37:27 <Ballig> it would require a lot of responses
37:28 <Avatar> anyone can roll
37:42 <Avatar> at worst, you need some set tactics for people to go on
37:46 <Avatar> unless you want to be specific
37:49 <Ballig> if I only check it out twice a day, you are limited to two rounds of combat a day
38:08 <Avatar> no you are still thinking in terms of no autonomy
38:23 <Ballig> you can't make people skip their turn because they didn't check it more than twice a day man
38:24 <Avatar> you don't have to be there for your turn if you're just firing arrows
38:24 <Ballig> that's how the entire party gets killed
38:31 <Avatar> you don't skip your turn, you take their turn
38:39 <Ballig> you can't take their turn for them either
38:53 <Avatar> why not
39:05 <Ballig> what if they die
39:16 <Ballig> and then they come back and are like "WHAT! I wouldn't have kept firing if that guy got within melee range of me!"
39:20 <Avatar> if they get below x amount of hp, they can opt to take back control
39:28 <Ballig> or "WHAT! I would have fired at that OTHER guy, not that guy!"
39:31 <Ballig> you can die in a single round
39:36 <Avatar> if the guy gets within melee range, opt to take back control
39:39 <Avatar> opt to move away
39:43 <Ballig> nope
39:55 <Ballig> you would spend half day writing out every single contingency
39:56 <Ballig> doesn't work
40:02 <Ballig> and you would have to do that every encounter
40:21 <Avatar> the point is you can have as much or as little control as you like
40:37 <Ballig> would be far too cumbersome
40:42 <Ballig> and way too prone to people complaining
42:02 <Avatar> well if you want to play it 100% safe, you either shouldn't play in it or you should opt for total control, but know that if you don't respond a few times a day, you're holding up the game
42:19 <Ballig> everyone would be wanting total control
42:28 <Ballig> I'm not letting someone else decide what my character does when it's a tactical decision
42:41 <Avatar> what do you think brunius
42:43 <Ballig> and then you're back to the point that combat would take weeks
43:13 <Ballig> like how do you automate a cleric
43:20 <Ballig> who isn't the standard "shoot an arrow every round" character
43:32 <Avatar> why is a cleric harder than anyone else
43:34 <Ballig> does he say "heal whoever is lowest on hp"? what if it would actually be clearly suicide to go after the lowest hp guy?
43:51 <Avatar> if it's clearly suicide, don't do it would go for everyone
43:57 <Ballig> what if it would take 3 rounds to reach the lowest hp guy and it's obvious to a human player that he will be dead before he gets there, but those are his instructions?
44:41 <Ballig> basically if he doesn't think of EVERY SINGLE POSSIBILITY (which is improbable), he will complain when something out of the ordinary happens and it causes his character to make a completely useless turn or, worse, die
44:45 <Avatar> if that's the case, then that doesn't happen despite his instructions
44:58 <Ballig> yeah but he will waste 2 turns trying to get there
44:59 <Ballig> only for the character to be dead by the time he does
45:02 <Ballig> and oh hey, cleric has been out of comission for two turns
45:07 <Ballig> because those were his instructions
45:16 <Avatar> but he doesn't try to do that if it's obviously fruitless
45:19 <Ballig> and now he's far away from the rest of the party
45:23 <Ballig> who is dying horribly without a cleric
45:32 <Ballig> who's to decide it's obviously fruitless?
45:40 <Ballig> the DM now has the power to override your instructions?
45:52 <Avatar> Jaggedsoul
45:58 <Jaggedsoul> If its Sun, I'm in
46:05 <Avatar> an instruction that will get you clearly fruitlessly killed, yes
46:09 <Avatar> wouldn't you want that
46:19 <Avatar> give me a situation like that where you'd want to do it anyway
46:24 <Ballig> it wouldn't get him killed
46:29 <Ballig> it will possibly get the rest of the party killed
46:35 <Ballig> but that should be up for the player to decide
46:37 <Ballig> not the DM
46:53 <Ballig> this is the reason people play their own characters
47:10 <Jaggedsoul> hmmm....Saturday huh?
47:58 <Jaggedsoul> 7am my time...
48:00 <Ballig> I only automate a non-responsive character in a game when it's absolutely clear nothing has changed since the last round of combat and it's clear they would do the same thing this round
48:01 <Jaggedsoul> :(
48:12 <Ballig> so, for example, an easy melee or ranged damage character who will continue to attack the same thing because nothing has changed
48:16 <Ballig> and even then I don't like doing it
49:10 <Avatar> what's the problem
49:17 <Avatar> I dunno, I don't see it as much of a problem as you seem to
52:30 <Ballig> man that's some heavy rain
56:42 <Brunius> lol rain
56:58 <Avatar> brunius what do you think
58:07 <Jaggedsoul> avatar it's until 12nn my time
58:43 <Ballig> so 3pm our time
58:46 <Ballig> which is when I'll be going to the gym
59:04 <Avatar> how do you feel about being npc'd
03:16 <Jaggedsoul> that's fine
03:36 <Jaggedsoul> just don't be cruel to my character
03:49 <Jaggedsoul> or make him do degrading stuff
04:03 <Jaggedsoul> he's an ugly and stupid orc
04:18 <Ballig> can I make him do stupid stuff if I cast charm person on him
04:20 <Jaggedsoul> but he's MY ugly and stupid orc. :)
05:06 <Jaggedsoul> he's stupid, you most likely don't need to cast charm on him
05:58 <Mekkis> Ballig, if an effect has to come from an intersection, how should you determine which intersection it comes from?
06:02 <Mekkis> (in CA?)
06:19 <Ballig> hm
06:23 <Ballig> what about right clicking on the grid
06:28 <Ballig> which opens a context menu asking which corner
06:37 <Avatar> Jaggedsoul: you might need to actually complete your sheet
06:44 <Mekkis> I was thinking just "what's closest"
06:56 <Mekkis> floor(x+0.5, y+0.5)
06:59 <Ballig> maybe what's closest, but that might get annoying
07:23 <Ballig> how do you delete the effect? can you easily right click on it?
07:29 <Mekkis> yeah
07:36 <Avatar> the effect is always instant isn't it
07:47 <Jaggedsoul> avatar, ok
07:47 <Avatar> can't you hold down the mouse button
08:10 <Mekkis> Avatar, web and entangle say "Hi"
08:13 <Ballig> they aren't always instant
08:27 <Avatar> gotcha
08:39 <Mekkis> deleting graphicsitems isn't hard
08:55 <Mekkis> in fact, I didn't need to write any code at all to handle it
09:58 <Mekkis> that being said, I should write destructors
11:00 <Avatar> then we could call you The Destructor
11:33 <Jaggedsoul> or generically, a destructicon
12:31 <Ballig> yeah the current code handles it, but it depends how the graphic item is written
12:38 <Ballig> as to how easy it is to physically right click it
12:42 <Ballig> written/drawn
13:37 <Ballig> I can't remember whether you can add an alpha channel to graphics items
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22:16 <Ballig> I've got about 65% of the victory fanfare from final fantasy
22:34 <Avatar> what
22:43 <Avatar> what do you mean you have about 65% of the fanfare
22:47 <Ballig> I'm learning to play the victory fanfare from final fantasy on my keyboard
23:14 <Avatar> are you planning to use that when we win combats in CA
23:32 <Ballig> if that was my goal I would just use a .wav freely available online
24:02 <Ballig> though I guess if we're doing it on skype I could just turn around and start playing
24:24 <Avatar> that sound feature really hasn't worked out has it
24:37 <Ballig> eh
24:41 <Ballig> no one really bothers using it
25:02 <Avatar> why did we include it
25:05 <Ballig> I have to do a presentation in front of 1100 people tomorrow
25:21 <Avatar> about what
25:27 <Ballig> the new work health and safey legislation
25:34 <Avatar> god that would suck
25:45 <Ballig> it's only a 5 minute presentation
25:53 <Avatar> yeah how long was my next question
25:58 <Ballig> but from Thursday until 12 December I am running something like 10 training sessions to middle managers on it
25:59 <Avatar> 5 minutes isn't awful I guess
26:01 <Ballig> an hour each presentation
26:11 <Avatar> training sessions are striaghtforward
26:22 <Ballig> when I say training session I mean presentation
26:25 <Ballig> with questions after
26:38 <Avatar> I guess that's what a training session is
26:55 <Avatar> I have the most fucked up letters
27:04 <Avatar> D U Z E J W and a blank
27:17 <Ballig> 1, 2, 6, 7, 12x2, 5x2, 8x2
27:19 <Ballig> that is 10 isn't it
27:32 <Avatar> sorry ?
27:38 <Ballig> those are the dates I'm doing the presentations
27:42 <Ballig> yeah it equals 10 presentations
27:45 <Avatar> oh
27:50 <Avatar> important detail :P
28:26 <Ballig> you could do JUDGE
28:28 <Ballig> if you make the blank a G
28:59 <Avatar> nah I save my blanks
29:02 <Avatar> I made JUBE
29:06 <Ballig> ha
29:10 <Ballig> you jube
31:02 <Avatar> I wonder if we could do a play by post PFS game
31:18 <Avatar> are they special rules on play by post
31:30 <Avatar> wait, have we talked about this before
31:47 <Ballig> don't thinkt here are "special rules"
31:48 <Ballig> they allow it
31:53 <Ballig> play by post is annoying though
31:59 <Ballig> we have people coming here because they are pissed off by play by post
32:20 <Avatar> yeah because they play with randoms who may or may not reply
33:53 <Ballig> no just because it takes weeks to do a single encounter
35:31 <Avatar> wouldn't take us weeks
37:49 <Brunius> Sup yo
38:27 <Avatar> what do you reckon brunius
38:48 <Brunius> About?
39:00 <Brunius> Yeah play by post is annoying
39:01 <Avatar> read up 10 lines
39:11 <Avatar> with us it wouldn't be annoying
39:13 <Brunius> It was good when I didn't know anyone
39:20 <Ballig> I mean
39:23 <Ballig> I would give it a shot
39:26 <Brunius> But now that I know people IRL, you guys, it's just annoying
39:46 <Avatar> what stops you from playing more often than you do
39:47 <Ballig> but it would have to be with people who are here regularly
39:53 <Ballig> not jerks who disappear for the entire week and only show up on the weekend
40:11 <Avatar> well that's where special rules for it can come in
40:25 <Avatar> we don't have to wait for people to make rolls if they have some set tactics
40:39 <Avatar> we don't have to wait for everyone to agree to move on if a certain amount of time has passed
40:48 <Avatar> or if certain people don't care
34:49 <Jaggedsoul>        gtg
35:29 <Avatar>      ok bye
35:42 <Avatar> SWTOR was only good for a weekend, I was getting pretty bored of it
35:50 <Avatar> I can't say I feel like playing it anymore
36:15 <Avatar> good game, but I've enjoyed it and destroyed it
07:35 <Ballig> were you jedi or sith
12:07 <Avatar> both
12:11 <Avatar> sith was more fun
12:22 <Avatar> that did the deviousness well
12:26 <Avatar> they*
12:43 <Avatar> I might have had more fun as jedi if I played a consular rather than a knight
12:56 <Avatar> I chose a sith inquisitor instead of a warrior, which is the equivalent
15:49 <Ballig> what do inquisitors do
16:22 <Avatar> they use lightsabers but also cast force lightning on people
16:57 <Avatar> and if they become a sith sorcerer later, they heal people
22:17 <Ballig> would a jedi consular cast force lightning on people
22:45 <Avatar> no
22:52 <Avatar> they pick up stones out of the ground and throw them 
22:55 <Avatar> or use force push
24:29 <Ballig> I'd rather force lightning
26:04 <Avatar> me too
26:42 <Avatar> jedi knights and sith warriors get dual sabers, consulars and inquisitors get saber staves
26:52 <Avatar> or either of them can just have a single saber
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35:38 <Mekkis> Ballig, would you rather "5' radius" or "1 square radius"?
58:03 <Brunius> Is your internet still buggy Avatar?
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04:03 <Jaggedsoul> Avatar
05:01 <Avatar> no
05:05 <Avatar> I'm on, aren't I
05:05 <Avatar> hi Jaggedsoul
05:08 <Avatar> is your sheet done yet
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05:42 <Avatar> ok bye
06:38 <Avatar> hey, half-orcs don't get fucked over in pathfinder
08:02 <Ballig> are you
08:17 <Avatar> I think so
08:24 <Avatar> what are we all doing
08:28 <Avatar> let's play a 1 hour game
08:35 <Ballig> it's so annoying when you are playing the keyboard and you overthink it
08:38 <Ballig> and immediately forget how to play
08:46 <Avatar> you overthink a lot
08:52 <Avatar> jaggedsoul put combat tactics on his sheet
08:54 <Ballig> I'm not playing on a worknight
09:02 <Avatar> it's 1 hour !
09:09 <Ballig> okay spaceshot
09:18 <Avatar> what does spaceshot do
09:27 <Ballig> has a go at you about not playing on a work night
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