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46:47 <Ballig> I know we played it
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53:14 <Ballig> sup roach
53:28 <Roach> Not too much, just got back home from work, so I'm crashin
53:45 <Roach> I also came to the unavoidable conclusion that pointbuy, as required, gimps monks pretty badly.
53:55 <Roach> At most, I can get a AC of 16
54:19 <Roach> At the build I'd be looking at, I'd probably have around 14-16 AC at most.
54:29 <Roach> Pathetic for a 1st level character.
57:26 <Ballig> pretty decent for a first level character, really
57:46 <Ballig> an AC of 16, you would have to be up against something with a +6 attack to hit you more than half the time
57:52 <Ballig> +6 is pretty big for first level enemies
58:09 <Roach> Eh, keep in mind, I can't really stack armor on that to add onto it
58:25 <Roach> So while it might be halfway good for a first-level character, it is hard to up the AC, as it were
00:34 <Roach> >.>;;
00:46 <Roach> . . . mostly like upping the AC of a caster, now that I think about it. Ah well
01:04 <Roach> I'll just have to find a race that inflates dex and wisdom without penalizing strength or con :v
02:49 * Roach goes to look-see
08:31 <Roach> Hmmm
08:54 <Roach> Half Elf with Ancestral Arms trait looks good, give im a nine-section whip (I <3 those things, so versitile!_
11:50 * Roach will get to it later
15:40 <Ballig> weirdo
15:50 <Roach> What? :p
16:20 <Ballig> human gives +2 to any stat!
16:36 <Roach> Its monk, so it is flurryable, also two-handable, 1d8 base damage, can be spun to get +1 ac when fitghting defensivly, no-reach so no attacks of opportunity, and can be used to trio
16:38 <Roach> trip*
16:44 <Roach> and half-elf gives +2 to any stat, as well
16:56 <Roach> Feats just aren't as inportant to monks, is all
17:41 <Ballig> what book is nine-section whip in?
18:02 <Roach> SRD
18:26 <Roach> looking
19:03 <Roach> ultimate combat
22:28 <Ballig> are you taking the exotic weapon proficiency feat for it
22:36 <Ballig> or do you get prof with it automatically for monk
23:59 <Roach> I'm not sure if I get the proficiency automatically with monk, but if I use the Ancestral Arms race feature instead of the Adaptable feature, it gives me proficiency in one weapon, exotic or martial
24:21 <Roach> And I can't really see my character multiclassing, so I'm not losing anything by doing it, either
24:52 <Roach> bwahahahahaha
25:29 <Ballig> so why half-elf with ancestral arms instead of human with bonus feat exotic weapon proficiency?
26:39 <Roach> because I'd have to take martial weapon proficiency first, and waste two feats (since monks are not proficient with martial weapons standard, only a limited list)
26:55 <Roach> That, and the half-elf gets things like Low-Light vision
27:01 <Roach> and other things that are useful
29:04 <Ballig> just remember that by 4th level the whip probably won't be that awesome
29:22 <Roach> true, by 4th level my unarmed strikes are 1d8 base, sure
29:30 <Ballig> no?
29:37 <Ballig> at first level your unarmed strikes are 1d8 base
29:41 <Ballig> at fourth level they're 2d6
29:49 <Roach> but, I can still be using the whip two-handed to give extra damage, and it is much easier to - wait, what?
30:05 <Roach> I thought they started at 1d6, went up to 1d8 at fourth level O.o
30:12 <Ballig> nope
30:17 <Roach> Where is this?
30:20 <Roach> Link?
30:23 <Ballig> check the table under the entry for "Unarmed Strike" in the monk class
30:26 <Ballig> I use the book
30:34 <Roach> Ah. I don't have the book, I shall check.
30:38 <Ballig> actually, I might be wrong
30:41 <Ballig> I might be looking at large monk
30:46 <Roach> yes, you may
31:15 <Roach> yes, you are looking at large monk
31:17 <Roach> moving on :p
31:31 <Ballig> it's not my fault the table is unintuitive
31:38 <Ballig> why wouldn't you put medium on the table :p
32:19 <Roach> so yeah, whip is still a good choice
32:34 <Roach> and whip is still much cheaper to enhance/enchant than using the Amulet of Mighty Fists
33:38 <Ballig> sounds plausible
33:49 <Roach> yeah
34:02 <Roach> its a pretty versitile weapon, very well suited for a monk
34:24 <Roach> it gets outstripped at later levels due to the simple damage output of the unarmed fists, though, so I don't want to invest TOO much in it
35:08 <Avatar> I'd argue one feat is too much
35:29 <Ballig> pathfinder society only lets you go to level 12 right now though
35:31 <Ballig> Avatar: too much for what
36:19 <Roach>  :p
36:34 <Avatar> too much to invest
36:53 <Ballig> he's not really investing a feat
36:56 <Roach> well, its mostly "I trade one mostly useless thing for something a little less useless"
37:01 <Ballig> he's losing the half-elf adapability trait and gaining proficiency in the weapon instead
37:06 <Roach> yep
37:26 <Roach> I don't really like to multiclass, so I'm not losing anything :p
37:27 <Ballig> so he's losing skill-focus
37:34 <Ballig> and gaining exotic weapon profociency
37:37 <Ballig> er, proficiency
37:48 <Avatar> when does the whip become redundant?
37:56 <Ballig> adaptability isn't related to multiclassing
38:21 <Roach> the earliest it would become redundant is level 8, when the unarmed strikes become 1d10
38:22 <Ballig> multitalented is the multiclass trait
38:41 <Roach> but, since the whip can be used two handed, I'd argue that it only maybe becomes useless around level 12
38:52 <Ballig> you take a two weapon penalty though
39:23 <Roach> not if I explicitly use the flurry of blows
39:23 <Roach>  :p
39:32 <Ballig> a pretty heavy one because it's melee and not light
39:34 <Roach> well, flurry of blows is simpler and doesn't require me to use feats on it
39:54 <Roach> Why would I take the two weapon penalty, exactly?
40:30 <Ballig> you don't need to be dual wielding to flurry
41:09 <Roach> yeah, I don't
41:17 <Roach> I was just going to two-hand one medium sized whip to flurry with
41:30 <Ballig> right
41:35 <Roach> so I could use it in one hand without any penalty (other than losing some of the strength damage)
45:15 <Roach> I'd be looking at 14 strength, 14 dex, 14 con, and 16 wisdom, 10 int, and 10 charisma
45:25 <Roach> for 15 AC
45:37 <Roach> and a +2 to hit, with my whip doing 1d8+3 damage
45:45 <Roach> Not terrible for a level one
46:00 <Roach> And 10 HP
46:50 <Ballig> I do 3d6+30
47:40 <Roach> at level one? :O
47:46 <Ballig> 4 :p
47:52 <Roach> ah -w-;;
48:13 <Roach> How do you do that? Enchanted greatsword with a +10 strength bonus or something?
48:39 <Ballig> +2 strength modifier
48:44 <Roach> mmhmm
49:10 <Ballig> +1 lance, two-handed charge with the spirited charge feat
49:16 <Roach> ahh
49:27 <Ballig> and power attack
50:00 <Roach> what I'll probably do later on is get a Bag of Fire if I can (3500 gold 3.5 item) to give me 1d6+5 fire damage with my unarmed strikes
50:11 <Roach> Though, probably not permitted, is it
50:12 <Ballig> you won't get it in pathfinder society
50:19 <Roach> yeah, just as I thought
50:25 <Roach> Hmmm.
50:26 <Avatar> what book was that in
50:28 <Ballig> you'll have to find a similar pathfinder item
50:31 <Roach> Is Warlock a open class?
50:52 <Avatar> I haven't seen warlock
51:13 <Ballig> what book is warlock in
51:28 <Ballig> maybe if it's in ultimate magic
51:33 <Avatar> it's not
51:38 <Roach> tome of secrets, for the PF version
51:40 <Roach> I think
52:01 <Roach> The really fun part about the warlock is that you can have at-will damage capabilities, ranged
52:32 <Ballig> I have at-will damage capabilities ranged
52:34 <Ballig> I call it "charge"
52:44 <Avatar> yeah me too
52:47 <Avatar> I call it "my gun"
53:14 <Roach>  :p
53:29 <Roach> no need to load, 1d6 + a die every two levels
57:48 <Roach> Eh, not nearly so certain now on what I'll be using
59:14 * Roach heads off to do horse stuff.
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47:08 <Avatar-> good old canine
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48:28 <canine> hm?
49:05 <Mekkis> 1d6 per two levels or part thereof isn't much
51:31 <Roach> heh
52:17 <Mekkis> don't fear the d6s
54:29 <Avatar-> I fear them
54:46 <Avatar-> I need d12
55:00 <Avatar-> vs touch ac
55:01 <Avatar-> :o)
56:05 <canine> wait
56:12 <canine> new person!
56:17 <canine> or newER person anyway
56:33 <Roach> I thought that much was obvious :v
56:36 <canine> I thought something looked different.
57:55 <Avatar-> one of two
58:22 <canine> ooh
59:52 <Avatar-> mekkis did brunius confirm for the weekend game
06:21 <Mekkis> no
13:55 <Avatar-> did you ask him
14:21 <Avatar-> if you have ballig, canine and brunius here, you should play it out
14:52 <Avatar-> I don't mind being npc'd and if eidren doesn't show again, he's vanished
15:25 <Avatar-> my tactics are to shoot then ride away to reload and come back again
15:35 <Avatar-> unless the party needs my high ac
16:08 <Avatar-> and to go with plans rather than be spontaneous
53:09 <MekkisScreen> high ac?
59:45 <Avatar-> yeah I tend to have a mid to high ac above the others
00:06 <Avatar-> if that's the case, me staying in the fray is fine
08:42 <MekkisScreen> what if the situation requires you to dismount?
31:27 <Avatar-> then dismount
31:56 <Avatar-> I'm never that attached to dobs that I won't dismount
32:06 <Avatar-> imagine that
32:36 <Avatar-> he is just a vehicle to get some movement while I reload
32:48 <Roach>  :p
32:50 <Avatar-> he looks after me and I look after him
36:17 <MekkisScreen> you don't like characters who are devoted to their mounts, do you
37:23 <Avatar-> buck is devoted
37:28 <Avatar-> but like
37:33 <Avatar-> as a friend
37:40 <Avatar-> not a siamese twin
39:30 <Avatar-> man the more I talk about it the more I want to play
48:41 <MekkisScreen> it's healthier than the converse
23:08 <Roach> Hmm.
23:43 <Roach> For my first character, I'm going to use Tangledweb for my character sheet instead of the text one you provide. I'm used to it, and I can just upload a link to the sheet/fill in PF skills for things I put points into.
31:44 <MekkisScreen> personally, I generally don't have an issue with that
32:02 <Roach> Okay
32:10 <Roach> I'll do that then
32:14 <MekkisScreen> (even though I hhave lost several sheets due to server issues in the past)
32:29 <MekkisScreen> avatar and ballig might have issues though
32:30 <Roach> ever heard of DnDsheets Mekkis?
33:54 <Roach> I had half of my sheets there, then, suddenly, one day, that site decided to just not-work for me, and me alone. I cannot open any part of that site.
33:54 <Roach> Not even when linked to another's sheet, it just won't work.
33:57 <Roach> So yes, I know that online sheets have their own flaws, but honestly, I'd rather use a online sheet than the text sheet, at least for now.
34:08 <MekkisScreen> I use LaTeX
34:21 <MekkisScreen> with subversion
34:30 <MekkisScreen> so I can see any changes, dates
34:35 <Roach> heh
34:37 <MekkisScreen> for that matter:
34:44 <MekkisScreen> !recentsheets
34:45 <diebot> MekkisScreen, -rw-r--r-- 1 vpsirc users 9313 2011-10-22 13:09 320 Valkurr
34:46 <diebot> MekkisScreen, -rw-r--r-- 1 vpsirc users 5428 2011-10-20 11:41 277 Derau
34:46 <diebot> MekkisScreen, -rw-r--r-- 1 vpsirc users 7475 2011-10-19 12:18 229 Kaleb
34:47 <diebot> MekkisScreen, -rw-r--r-- 1 vpsirc users 7672 2011-10-18 15:06 267 Grolschmir
34:47 <diebot> MekkisScreen, -rw-r--r-- 1 vpsirc users 11380 2011-10-18 14:23 308 Buck
35:06 <MekkisScreen> !history 267
35:08 <diebot> MekkisScreen, r105 | vpsirc | 2011-10-19 00:07:01 +0200 (Wed, 19 Oct 2011) | 1 line
35:08 <diebot> MekkisScreen, r48 | vpsirc | 2011-03-07 07:12:06 +0100 (Mon, 07 Mar 2011) | 1 line
35:09 <diebot> MekkisScreen, r21 | vpsirc | 2011-01-16 00:12:45 +0100 (Sun, 16 Jan 2011) | 1 line
35:09 <diebot> MekkisScreen, r15 | vpsirc | 2010-12-31 00:12:46 +0100 (Fri, 31 Dec 2010) | 1 line
35:09 <diebot> MekkisScreen, r13 | vpsirc | 2010-12-29 00:06:24 +0100 (Wed, 29 Dec 2010) | 1 line
35:27 <MekkisScreen> !diff 267 r48
35:27 <diebot> MekkisScreen, File saved to http://nl.ti4200.info/vpsirc/sheets/diffs/267r48.txt
38:21 <MekkisScreen> !diff 267 r48
38:23 <diebot> MekkisScreen, File saved to http://nl.ti4200.info/vpsirc/sheets/diffs/267r48.txt
39:30 <MekkisScreen> !diff 267 r21
39:31 <diebot> MekkisScreen, File saved to http://nl.ti4200.info/vpsirc/sheets/diffs/267r21.txt
41:57 <MekkisScreen> !diff 267 r48
41:57 <diebot> MekkisScreen, File saved to http://nl.ti4200.info/vpsirc/sheets/diffs/267r48.txt
45:56 <MekkisScreen> !diff 267 r48
45:57 <diebot> MekkisScreen, File saved to http://nl.ti4200.info/vpsirc/sheets/diffs/267r48.txt
46:30 <MekkisScreen> better
46:43 <MekkisScreen> better
46:57 <MekkisScreen> I keep forgetting about permissions issues
47:36 <MekkisScreen> (that being said, this way we have historical records of any sheet changes)
48:50 <MekkisScreen> !history 277
48:51 <diebot> MekkisScreen, r107 | vpsirc | 2011-10-21 00:13:05 +0200 (Fri, 21 Oct 2011) | 1 line
48:51 <diebot> MekkisScreen, r27 | vpsirc | 2011-01-24 00:12:52 +0100 (Mon, 24 Jan 2011) | 1 line
49:09 <MekkisScreen> !diff 277 r27
49:09 <diebot> MekkisScreen, File saved to http://nl.ti4200.info/vpsirc/sheets/diffs/277r27.txt
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20:24 <Avatar-> mekkis you can't be serious
21:23 <Avatar-> you're going to scare away newbies by introducing them to latex
21:45 <Avatar-> he was already not comfortable with standard text
23:03 <Avatar-> I'm happy to transcribe people's pdf sheets to text if it's their first one if they can maintain it
23:48 <Avatar-> my mindset is on what we should consider changing at the moment
14:38 <MekkisScreen> sure
15:46 <MekkisScreen> I was introducing the history part
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55:15 <MekkisScreen> what's a good weapon for an Eidolon?
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39:10 Guest33992 is now known as Felix
39:42 <Felix> Anyone here?
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52:51 <MekkisScreen> ja
58:32 <diebot> http://code.google.com/p/phpbb-latex/wiki/Download
59:11 <diebot> Ballig, try that :S
09:49 <Avatar-> felix
10:06 <Avatar-> that rings a bell
10:15 <Avatar-> mekkis: a lance
11:07 <MekkisScreen> why?
11:23 <MekkisScreen> the eidolon isn't riging
11:29 <MekkisScreen> riding*
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25:35 <Avatar-> make it ride
26:09 <Avatar-> a mount and a lance, and you're set for life
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45:44 <Avatar-> a few feats
45:49 <Avatar-> set for life
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53:55 <Brunius> Sup yo
04:46 <Avatar> Brunius
04:51 <Avatar> they're running pallid plague on sunday
04:54 <Avatar> at good games
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08:22 <Brunius> Darn
08:56 <Brunius> I've got other stuff booked in for Sunday anyway
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14:18 <Avatar> did you double book
14:28 <Avatar> do you do that often, because that would explain a lot
14:30 <Brunius> I said I might.
14:38 <Brunius> I might go to GG on Sunday
14:45 <Brunius> Then other stuff got switched to Sunday
14:50 <Brunius> What would that explain?
17:35 <Avatar> well
17:49 <Avatar> you tend to look like you're ready for a game and then the day comes and suddenly you're busy
18:14 <Avatar> I hear you say maybe quite a lot when we check in with you
18:19 <Avatar> am I right
18:29 <Brunius> Not to my knowledge.
18:37 <Avatar> the correct answer there was maybe
18:47 <Brunius> Ha
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38:16 <Avatar> cmon, am I right
50:55 <Ballig> about what
00:58 <Avatar> christ almighty
11:21 <Avatar> oh shit
11:24 <Avatar> is he playing tomorrow
14:55 <Ballig> is who
15:32 <Avatar> brunius
16:40 <Avatar> have you finished the newbie guide yet
18:37 <Ballig> I haven't done anything to it
18:39 <Ballig> what am I meant to do to it
19:35 <Avatar> put in the disappearing act and post it
20:48 <Ballig> there are only two columns
20:52 <Ballig> what columns are meant to show up when you click what
21:53 <Avatar> there are 3 columns
22:11 <Avatar> the second and third show up when you click on something in the first
22:23 <Ballig> when you click WHAT, though
22:30 <Ballig> there are like 4 options on the left
22:34 <Ballig> and only two columns
22:36 <Avatar> yeah
22:43 <Avatar> the 4 icons, or make the text links
23:04 <Ballig> er
23:11 <Avatar> the split is still the same as before
23:17 <Ballig> no, that's not making sense
23:38 <Avatar> so if you click on new or 3.5, you still see all of it
23:42 <Avatar> if you click on pf you see less
23:46 <Avatar> if you click on pfs, you see less again
23:47 <Ballig> see WHAT
23:53 <Ballig> are you wanting me to make that decision?
23:54 <Avatar> of the two columns
24:23 <Avatar> I think I commented in the code where parts of it have to show for each skill level
25:12 <Avatar> mmm not very well
27:49 <Avatar> do you want me to clarify it or do you want to make the decision
27:54 <Avatar> it's pretty easy to identify
29:37 <Ballig> I want you to make the decision
30:33 <Avatar> alright
45:36 <Avatar> I am breaking this so completely
48:27 <Ballig> do you know how CSS works
48:39 <Avatar> yeah
48:44 <Avatar> I'm not sure why i didn't use it
48:48 <Avatar> very well
48:52 <Ballig> try uh
48:58 <Ballig> just id the things you want categorised
49:10 <Avatar> alright
49:11 <Ballig> like just do <span id="35exp"> and <span id="newbie">
49:12 <Ballig> etc
49:39 <Avatar> do you need spans or are divs okay
50:03 <Avatar> sorry I've actually started adding something else in
50:06 <Avatar> the comments are done
50:12 <Avatar> it's the other thing that's breaking it
50:24 <Ballig> doesn't matter what they are
50:29 <Ballig> you can do it to an entire table if you wanted
50:50 <MekkisScreen> an you do it to part of a table?
50:56 <MekkisScreen> can*
51:02 <Ballig> pretty sure
51:42 <MekkisScreen> so, do we have the players for tomorrows?
51:51 <Avatar> the only player you really need to confirm is brunius
52:06 <Avatar> eidren likely won't show ever again, and you know I'm out but can be npc'd
52:23 <Avatar> actually with that timeslot you might need canine to confirm as well
52:28 <Avatar> run it at 10 instead
52:37 <MekkisScreen> Ballig: are you willing to NPC Buck?
52:57 <Ballig> yeah
53:05 <MekkisScreen> because I refuse to NPC any PCs
54:00 <Avatar> yeah let the players take control man
48:14 <Avatar> http://roleplayadvertising.proboards.com/index.cgi
50:14 <Ballig> I'm the fourth person to visit this website
51:14 <Avatar> pretty sure you aren't
52:19 <Ballig> it says I am
52:28 <Avatar> where
52:38 <Ballig> right at the bottom
52:43 <Ballig> that big, tackly, glowing counter
52:47 <Ballig> -l
53:05 <Avatar> probably a new counter
53:16 <Avatar> active users in the past 24 hours says 75 guests
53:28 <Ballig> probably one person refreshing 75 times
53:35 <Avatar> making fake accounts
53:37 <Avatar> probably!
53:48 <Avatar> in fact, that's what I think it is!
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56:34 <Avatar> mmmm
56:42 <Avatar> if we had a 10am game I could be here for part of it
58:22 <Avatar> Brunius: are you coming tomorrow
58:22 <Brunius> Nope
58:22 <Avatar> good 1
58:22 <Avatar> what's going on
58:22 <Brunius> Not unless the new CPU arrives at like 9am
58:22 <Avatar> you and your cpu
58:22 Avatar has changed the topic to: PFS: Sat 12th 2.30pm (Mekkis) | LSK: Sat 19th 8.30pm || All times AEDT (UTC+11:00), CONFIRM YOUR ATTENDANCE by the Friday before! || EM: Sat 2pm | CotE: Sun 3.30pm
14:01 <Avatar> man I am never using tables again
14:06 <Brunius> Tables?
14:59 <Avatar> redoing the newbie guide in css
15:03 <Avatar> 1000x cleaner
15:05 <Brunius> Ha
15:18 <Brunius> They teach us to use tables in school
15:26 <Ballig> you can still use tables
15:32 <Avatar> forget fucking tables
15:34 <Avatar> ruining my life
15:42 <Avatar> I will use css tables, not html tables
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56:25 <Avatar> canine
56:30 <Avatar> can you make a 2.30pm timeslot
56:46 <canine> 230 your time?
56:50 <Avatar> yeah
57:40 <canine> I'll still be up then but I don't think I'd be able to stay up long enough to do a game
57:48 <Avatar> Mekkis: are you around
57:55 <Avatar> you need to rethink that timeslot
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51:21 <MekkisScreen> I'm here
51:45 <MekkisScreen> I suppose I could do it saturday evening
52:24 <Ballig> that's worse
52:25 <MekkisScreen> actually, no
53:49 <Avatar> can't you do a morning
54:01 <MekkisScreen> if we hear from Brunius, Saturday or Sunday morning is possible
54:11 <MekkisScreen> I like sleeping on weekends
54:23 <MekkisScreen> Ballig, did you get me messages?
54:42 <MekkisScreen> my messages*
54:58 <Ballig> probably
57:30 <Avatar> brunius is out, but it looks like eidren might be in
59:58 <MekkisScreen> mmm?
01:12 <MekkisScreen> because people need to delete their images directory to receive the new map
07:15 <Avatar> does it depend on what size the map is
09:20 <MekkisScreen> no
09:32 <MekkisScreen> it depends on the map's checksum
10:00 <MekkisScreen> because CA only uses 16 bit checksums
10:43 <MekkisScreen> (the patch I wrote uses SHA1 which is 256 or 512 bits)
10:56 <Avatar> does resizing the map change the checksum
14:16 <MekkisScreen> yes
14:34 <MekkisScreen> soing anything to the map changes the checksum
15:11 <MekkisScreen> but with a 16 bit hash, as the images you have increase, the chance of a collision increase
17:50 <MekkisScreen> and the chance of a collision is pretty high
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