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33:50 <electrohead> o/
34:28 <steve30> \o
56:46 * Ampera hugs electrohead 
01:13 * electrohead gets hugged
01:24 <Ampera> how are you doing electrohead
01:41 <electrohead> I bought a used geforce gtx 660, and here, the PSU in the tower that I wanted to put it in, is only a 384 watt PSU
01:52 <electrohead> I could have sworn it outputted more than that
02:05 <Ampera> 384 is an odd and impressively small number
02:20 <electrohead> yeah, I thought the same when I saw that, heh
13:51 <rust_collector> I am still trying to figure out what part of this old atx power it is that makes a very loud whine
15:00 * ibiza slaps Halcyon around a bit with a large trout
15:26 <Ampera> rust_collector, maybe it's the child next to it
16:35 <rust_collector> it could be. I will go somewhere else, and hear if the noise disappear
25:33 <rust_collector> hmm, one bulging cap, a fairly large one. that is worth trying
26:48 <rust_collector> hmm, yes, that could be it, it is rated to 2200, but measures 180
28:19 <electrohead> well, I found a 500 watt PSU in the back room, but.. doesn't have the required 6 pin connector for power, for the GPU
33:32 <K> watt watt
37:16 <rust_collector> k,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++c vvvvv
37:40 <K> no u.
38:58 <Ampera> comma on, rust_collector, you're getting your symbols all over the place
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41:37 <rust_collector> heh, oops?
42:56 <K> go see a doctor, i'm quite sure that is not normal.
43:23 <rust_collector> my doctor is not normal either, what would that do?
46:00 <K> an adventure!
48:58 <coppice> see Dr who?
49:16 <Ampera> it's better than Dr. Phil
49:33 <coppice> Dr Phil sounds like a dentist
50:04 <coppice> Dr Phil McCavity, no doubt
50:10 <Ampera> he's a reality TV therapist, thing
53:52 <T3sl4> Ampera, he's a comma chameleon
54:10 <Ampera> I wish, there's no laws about killing chameleons
56:00 <rust_collector> oooof, steel toe crocs. we need a serious disease some time soon
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36:48 <electrohead> so, the inner bezel within the case hid part of the label on the power supply. I saw 'combined output - 384 watts' and figured, hrmm, ok, need a new supply
37:15 <electrohead> well, once I took it out, at the very bottom of the label, it stated 'total output power - 475 watts'
37:20 <electrohead> so, looks like I can use that, then
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52:02 <rust_collector> heh, kid next door is shoveling his moms flowerbed into the drive
52:52 <Ampera> rust_collector, maybe he plans to bury his mom
53:34 <rust_collector> well, maybe, but then he is starting early, he is 3 or something
54:03 <Ampera> You're never too old to commit matricide.
54:44 <Ampera> er, too young
55:31 <Ampera> What I find to be an interesting notion, is that we all have been dead far longer than we have been alive
55:33 <Ampera> as far as we know
56:13 <Ampera> this notion based on common acceptance of creation, one cannot prove they are any age at all.
57:21 <Kuschelpony> i would say, as long as we are discussing here in the chat, we are still longer alive than death
57:44 <Ampera> how so, you were not alive before being born
57:58 <Ampera> and, presuming the age of the universe is reliable, you were thus not alive longer than you have been alive
58:06 <Ampera> and the only thing you can be if you are not alive is dead
59:01 <Kuschelpony> im pretty certain that i an 43 years alive but still zero minutes dead
59:17 <Kuschelpony> (and i hope the next decades only the first number increaes)
59:23 <Ampera> then what were you over 44 years ago
01:18 <Kuschelpony> that was before my body has been assembled the first time, so i was neither alive nor dead, but not be at all
03:59 <Ampera> I disagree, that is a state indistinguishable from death.
04:13 <Ampera> The matter for you was present on this planet then, as it will be when you die
04:42 <Ampera> Akin to the ship of thesius, the matter which comprises you now is completely different to that which comprised you at your birth
05:06 <Ampera> There is nothing besides time which differentiates you from a time before birth to a time after an inevitable death.
06:12 <Ampera> Of course, the notion of you having ever been born can be debated, last thursdayism and all, but this is respecting occam's razor
07:23 <Kuschelpony> i call "alive" and "dead" to be functionality, so they are tied to a specific configuration of matter like what can be recogniced as my body
08:37 <Kuschelpony> so before my birth there was no arrangement of matter that had anything in common with my body and therefore there cant be any funczionality of life, or broken functionality as death
08:37 <Ampera> That configuration was no more present before your birth than it will be after your death.
09:17 <Ampera> The configuration of your matter of death most certainly can mimic the state it was in before your birth, in terms of entropy
09:55 <Ampera> You can be ground up, detonated, and spread out in a fine powder across the globe, your matter will still be just as present on earth as it was before you were born
10:39 <rust_collector> I sort of think you can not be dead until you have been alive. you can not be, which is what is before you are born.
11:07 <Ampera> The ultimate solution is arbitrary, and subjective, if one chooses to forcibly define death as requiring birth. I find that definition weak, as if you weren't alive, and if you weren't dead, what were you
11:22 <rust_collector> you were not
11:31 <Ampera> how is that different to a death after birth
11:51 <rust_collector> death is just what ends life, imo
12:03 <Ampera> To an outside observer, you cannot interact with the world, or experience it, before or after birth
12:17 <Ampera> or rather, before conception or after death
12:24 <rust_collector> right
12:50 <Ampera> Materially there is no significant difference between you before conception or you after death, as what is you changes just as easily during life
13:42 <Kuschelpony> Ampera: i see a difference...
13:53 <Kuschelpony> before birth there is no body
13:56 <Ampera> If death is defined as an absolute state, then it seems reasonable any state which matches is properties is death
14:01 <Ampera> After death there is no body
14:25 <Kuschelpony> after death there remains something that still has most of the body structure visible and can last for millenias if it doesnt rot
14:39 <Ampera> What if that structure doesn't exist anymore?
14:45 <Ampera> what if you are vaporized upon death?
14:51 <rust_collector> well, I still think it is just words that you have to define in some way. there is a body after death, I have had a job sticking them in the ground
14:58 <Ampera> or, time has passed to where even your bones have decomposed
15:10 <Ampera> does that make you any less dead?
15:22 <Ampera> There doesn't have to be a body after death
15:25 <rust_collector> no, you are still not more alive
15:35 <Ampera> if your cause of death is vaporization, there is no body
15:58 <Ampera> all it takes is a store of energy large enough to instantly change your matter into a gaseous phase
16:43 <Ampera> the matter which composes you or your body was likely part of thousands, if not millions of living organisms before you, most of which have long since died
16:55 <rust_collector> not that it matters, your body will "vaporize" sooner or later. then you make great fertiliser for fungus and flowers
17:01 <Ampera> indeed
17:28 <Ampera> which is why I stand by my assertion that, via the duck test, one was dead before they were conceived
18:09 <rust_collector> but even if it does not make much practical different between not existing and being dead, I still think being dead requires that you have been alive
18:19 <Ampera> For what reason
18:39 <Ampera> what profound difference is there between those states which makes a distinction significant
18:47 <rust_collector> because it is just a word that describes someone who existed, then stopped living
19:26 <rust_collector> so, i guss it is more about defining words, than anything important
19:58 <Ampera> Aye, it's arbitrary etymology. What my argument is based on is the absolute state of death after living being not significantly different to death before living.
20:52 <rust_collector> well, other than the body not functioning, there is not real difference between someone who is alive, and the same person if it is dead
21:33 <rust_collector> I guess if you take them apart into atoms, you will find the same amount of stuff in both
21:39 <Ampera> One could argue metabolism as a whole is the key difference.
21:56 <rust_collector> well, I guess YOU could, lol
22:12 <Ampera> but I am not one, I am two people
22:20 <Ampera> each me, so in reality I am four people
22:26 <Ampera> but those four people, are also me, so I am actually eight people
22:51 <rust_collector> so you are 1 away from turning into a cat
23:30 <Ampera> I wonder which square of two is perfectly divisible by nine
23:40 <rust_collector> cat
24:41 <rust_collector> just wait, the science people will figure it out some day, when they get over this basic math and physics stuff
25:00 <rust_collector> ok, I am going to work. have fun
25:07 <Ampera> bye
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36:46 <hsn> https://youtu.be/xj1T2AWcI6o
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47:11 Mode: (by ChanOP) +o Ysjoelfir
47:34 <Ysjoelfir> mornings
52:29 <T3sl4> a Ysjoelfir!
58:52 <Ysjoelfir> ew, where!?
04:22 * Ampera steps on Ysjoelfir 
04:24 <Ampera> THERE!
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24:10 <Ysjoelfir> That is flat out offensive, Ampera!
34:53 <Nothing\> hey guys
35:14 <Nothing\> i know nothing about pics, but i've got a list of various pic simulators here, i was wondering which one you guys think i should focus on
35:39 <Nothing\> there is, pic10, pic16 and pic18
35:53 <Nothing\> they're simulators/ides
35:59 <Nothing\> or there's one that just says "pic"
36:20 <Nothing\> also has ones for AVRs, Z80, and 8085s
36:37 <Nothing\> though i've already got a kick ass 8086 emulator which i absolutely love
36:43 <Nothing\> emu8086
37:25 <Nothing\> what i'd love to get is an 8051/52 simulator/ide that was as good as the one I used to use on my pi, mcu8051
37:39 <Nothing\> had one of the most detailed GUIs i've ever seen
38:33 <Nothing\> in fact, i love it enough that i still fire up my pi every now and then to play around with it
39:07 <Nothing\> which i would do now, except i don't even know where my pi is, i've got so many similarly shaped boards in static dissipative bags, or whatever you call the silver ones
39:29 <Nothing\> and yes i AM bored
41:10 <Ysjoelfir> get an AVR and program my product, that would help against your boredo
41:11 <Ysjoelfir> m
44:02 <Nothing\> heh actually i've got a usb to SPI adapter, i'm pretty sure you can use one of those to program an arduino's avr, can't you?
44:32 <Nothing\> have no idea what software i'd use to interface em though
45:13 <Nothing\> lol i was searching around google the other day for an IDE for... i forget what it was, but the first result was notepad++
45:21 <Nothing\> cuz that's the first thing i think of when i think IDE
46:01 <Nothing\> i tell you, sometimes using google is like trying to reason with a brain damaged child
46:39 <electrohead> o/
53:49 <Nothing\> heyo
58:32 * Ampera hugs Nothing\ 
58:55 * Nothing\ hugs Ampera 
59:03 <Nothing\> hey buddy, how's it hangin?
59:07 <Ampera> how are you doing Nothing\
59:25 <Nothing\> i'm doing alright i guess
59:31 <Nothing\> stressed, but coping. ya know?
59:42 <Ampera> no, sorry, I don't
59:44 <Ampera> I know nothing
59:51 <Nothing\> you know nothing of my work
59:53 <Nothing\> lol
00:16 <Nothing\> guess my brother's going back up to the police station to have pics taken of his injuries
00:28 <Nothing\> his whole face is yellow from the bruising, he looks like he's got jaundice
00:38 <Nothing\> and swollen
01:18 <Ampera> I put my next batch of biltong in my dehydrator this morning
01:29 <Nothing\> ah nice
01:33 <Nothing\> lucky bastard
01:42 <Nothing\> wish i had teeth for eating meat like that
01:54 <Ampera> I do have corned beef
01:58 <Nothing\> even with tender meat, it still get stuck between my teeth on all sides
02:01 <Ampera> which tends to be a bit more teeth friendly
02:10 <Nothing\> yeha corned beef is good on sandwiches
02:24 <Ampera> I've had it on sandwiches a few times, but that's rarely how I eat it
02:45 <Nothing\> yeah usually i get it in those tins like spam
02:50 <Ampera> that's not corned beef
02:56 <Ampera> it is, but not US corned beef
02:58 <Nothing\> heh i'm just waiting for a doctor's appointment
02:58 <Ampera> that's UK corned beef
03:02 <Nothing\> supposed to call me
03:03 <Ampera> a completely different concept
03:12 <Nothing\> ah i didn't know there were two different types
03:28 <Nothing\> i mean i knew one was like a coldcut and one was like spam, but i figured they were the same thing, just cut different
03:41 <Ampera> neither are coldcuts nor like spam
04:08 <Ampera> US corned beef is a beef brisket prepared in a certain way (don't ask me how) that is usually served hot
04:32 <Ampera> UK corned beef is a particularly crumbly canned beef product, it's far far dryer than something like spam
04:39 <Nothing\> ah okay
04:55 <Ampera> Even on sandwiches, it's not usually eaten as a cold cut, it's usually served hot
06:10 <Ampera> wow, every single image on google is fucking terrible
06:22 <Ampera> who the fuck slices corned beef, or even worse, who the fuck /roasts/ corned beef
06:39 <Ampera> I've always had it either slow or pressure cooked, served as a log you cut yourself
07:28 <Ampera> https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-uoi4d47s/images/stencil/1280x1280/products/120/2440/corn-beef-cabbage__63213.1583081604.jpg?c=2
07:31 <Ampera> almost exactly like this
07:44 <Ampera> we usually have only potatoes, if any, as a side
09:58 <Nothing\> taht looks good
10:05 <Nothing\> what are those little round things on it?
11:16 <Ampera> part of the pickling spice
11:35 <Nothing\> huh didn't know it could be pickled
11:41 <Nothing\> you know what that spice is specifically?
11:54 <Nothing\> my mom says peppercorns but that don't look like no peppercorns i ever seen
12:02 <Ampera> it's not peppercorns
12:04 <Nothing\> lol sorry, i've been watching a lot of black movies lately
12:06 <Ampera> I don't know what it is exactly
12:13 <Ampera> black movies?
12:22 <Nothing\> yeah, friday, booty call, next friday
12:30 <Nothing\> so the slango's rubbing off on me
12:41 <Nothing\> slang lingo
13:00 <Ampera> mustard seeds probably
39:43 <Nothing\> ah yeah that'd make sense
40:17 <Nothing\> damn, this chemotherapy drug's $430 for a 50mg vial of powder to be mixed up in a solution for IV
40:27 <Nothing\> cisplatin
40:40 <Nothing\> which is the name implies, is mostly made of platinum
41:21 <Nothing\> and some group in a cis conformation rather than trans
42:07 <Nothing\> you know what you should do Ampera, you should open a restaurant
42:13 <Ampera> no
42:21 <Nothing\> best part about owning a restaurant is they're immune to recessions, cuz everybody's gotta eat
42:57 <Nothing\> but then you've gotta get creative to make yourself stand out from the competition
43:07 <Ampera> They're not immune to shit
43:19 <Ampera> hundreds of restaurants have failed because of COVID
43:25 <Ampera> and recessions are excellent excuses /not/ to eat out
43:31 <Nothing\> well that's covid, not the recession it caused
43:48 <Nothing\> but yeah a pandemic would destroy a restaurant, come to think of it
44:16 <Nothing\> i remember when there was an outbreak of madcow disease up here and beef prices went through the roof
44:23 <Nothing\> the food industry took a huge hit from that
45:03 <Nothing\> but that's what happens when you force cows to cannibilize eachother's brains.
45:25 <Nothing\> however the word's spelled, spellcheck failed me on that one
45:54 <Nothing\> dude
45:57 <Nothing\> you could even call it
46:03 <Nothing\> uncle meef's news and beef
46:20 <Nothing\> oh great my cat just took a big smelly shit
46:25 <Nothing\> ugh
46:32 <Nothing\> gotta go hunt down some febreeze
47:50 <Ampera> I'm right pissed at planned parenthood right now
48:17 <Ampera> first they randomly change my name in their files to the name of my dad, and then send my prescription drugs to the pharmacy in his name, and now they've sent me a big bill and seemingly forgot to bill my insurance.
49:04 <Nothing\> gotta love that red tape
49:20 <Nothing\> are you a "jr" or "the 2nd, 3rd, etc"?
49:23 <Ampera> no
49:34 <Ampera> they straight up changed my name on their files to his name, because his name is on my insurance card
49:35 <Nothing\> well then that's just piss poor beauracracy
49:44 <Nothing\> oh, brilliant
49:49 <Ampera> now I have to call them, standby
50:01 <Nothing\> no worries
50:05 <Nothing\> good luck
51:09 <Nothing\> i'm gonna play some metroid: samus returns on my 3ds anyways
51:34 <Nothing\> damn good game. Too bad they can't make side scrolling platformer metroid games on consoles anymore.
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00:55 <rc664> mjau mjau
06:10 <rc664> haha satan, I drill your wall. all day, every day
06:39 <Ysjoelfir> :O Oh noez
07:07 <rc664> drrrrrrrrrrrrŕrrrrrrŕrŕrŕerŕrrŕer
07:14 <rc664> it says
10:12 <rc664> hmm, what is the ysjoelf doing on this amazing evening?
10:31 <Ysjoelfir> nearly falling asleep after having worked all the weekend
10:31 <rc664> anf is hsn in bed yet?
10:38 <rc664> whoooa
11:36 <rc664> work... i remember that stuff, i used to do that many years ago
11:59 <Ysjoelfir> cruel, right?
12:05 <Ysjoelfir> I should stop doing that
12:22 <rc664> yes, it is great
13:14 <rc664> ok, so now is not the time to order lots of design things then... ok
16:11 <Ysjoelfir> which things do you want to change in your outfit? I think its great
16:44 <rc664> so, it is kid #2s bornday today. at least i know why swmbo made me make muffins, and went to bed
17:34 <rc664> well, i think wearing only a sock might be offensive to some people
18:08 <Ysjoelfir> say happy bornday to kid#2 from me :)
18:22 <rc664> i will
18:25 <Ysjoelfir> I tend to wear a sock from time to time, dont think thats that offensive
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18:49 <rc664> kid #3 is next week, and a day
19:28 <rc664> well, i dont think so either, but.... people
21:11 <Ysjoelfir> say happt prebornday to her from me as well :)
21:26 <Ysjoelfir> ew, people? I have heard of that stuff, seems to be nasty
21:30 <rc664> nono, next week
21:42 <rc664> yes, very annoying
23:20 <Ysjoelfir> then say that next week :D
23:32 <rc664> so, other than doing that work thing, everything is prrfect?
24:33 <Ysjoelfir> Yes. Gworg was here this weekend and we built the NerdyGurdy (nearly finished) and got some wood for the woodworking bench which I started building today
24:58 <rc664> hmmm. progressive
25:44 <Ysjoelfir> indeed
26:44 <rc664> szchooo.... what sort of bench design are you thinking of?
28:53 <rc664> have you tried to cut threads in wood, on the lathe?
29:42 <steve30> o/
30:07 <Ysjoelfir> I try to combine Ideas from the english jointers bench rex krueger showed and some ideas from paul sellers bench.
30:17 <rc664> hey mr steve
30:28 <Ysjoelfir> and its going to be pretty small, but one has to work with the place one has, right?
30:53 <Ysjoelfir> and no, not yet, but I considered to try that just for fun.^^
30:53 <rc664> ok, yes, do you have a vise,?
31:27 <Ysjoelfir> I have several on my birthday wishlist, so maybe I have one in 9 days
31:40 <Ysjoelfir> of not I'll buy one after that
31:50 <rc664> i wonder if a dremel or router in a tool holder....
32:22 <Ysjoelfir> yes it does. I saw a video about that someday. worked pretty well
32:59 <Ysjoelfir> oh, also: hi steve30
33:39 <rc664> hmm, have you seen the different dise designs "pask makes" did? one pretty simple quick release one.....
34:31 <Ysjoelfir> nope, have a link?
34:50 <rc664> uhm... if you habe time....
35:05 <Ysjoelfir> let me see
35:23 <Ysjoelfir> https://www.paskmakes.com/plans/p/quick-release-vice-plans that one?
35:41 <rc664> https://youtu.be/Wiqgvvd0Czk
35:57 <rc664> probably, i think he did 2 versions
36:08 <rc664> and some other ones
36:10 <Ysjoelfir> thanks, I'll watch it :)
36:14 <Nothing\> lol i think i scared my cats pseudodrunkenly singing loudly at them
36:38 <Nothing\> as best as i can, given i haven't heard a song in years
36:55 <rc664> poot cats
36:56 <Nothing\> aside from the odd one in a store or whatever
37:08 <Nothing\> they knew what they were getting into when they sign on with us
37:10 <Nothing\> lol
37:20 <Ysjoelfir> Nothing\, enjoy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OiOR-_49ImU
37:34 <Nothing\> you guys can't tell me you've never sung to your kitties before
37:41 <Nothing\> i mean there's an xkcd comic about it
37:46 <rc664> they said we would havr housing and work...
37:53 <Nothing\> ah boo
38:02 <Nothing\> Ysjoelfir, not available in cannuckistan apparently
38:26 <Ysjoelfir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDWhwOAgKUk try that one
38:27 <Nothing\> heyyyyyyyy
38:51 <Nothing\> i just noticed, the video RCA input for my wii is unplugged and dangling behind the tv
39:03 <Nothing\> i should hook it up to my scope and test video mode out on it
39:30 <Nothing\> after reading up on video triggering
39:53 <rc664> nah, just hook it up and see whT happens
40:19 <Nothing\> i dunno, i'm wary about hooking stuff up to my scope that's referenced to mains without knowing what i'm doing
40:45 <rc664> setting up triggering wont save your scope
42:19 <Nothing\> no, but the ground is so close to the live on an RCA connector, it'd be easy to accidentally short them
42:24 <Nothing\> if indeed that would cause a problem
43:11 <rc664> well that will be a nice project for you
43:22 <Nothing\> plus come to think of it, i don't think it actually puts out a signal unless it's loaded with something
43:25 <Ysjoelfir> it wouldnt cause any problems
44:13 <Ysjoelfir> and it does, you just won't measure it exactly with no load
44:24 <Nothing\> cuz i remember trying to use my cell phone as an audiofrequency function generator. Just downloaded a function generator app, then got an 1/8in jack, stripped one end of the cord for the output
44:45 <Nothing\> but it wouldn't work unless i loaded with ~10ohm cuz it wouldn't think there was anything connected
45:07 <Nothing\> still worked nicely once i did get it going, though. even if it was a bit of a kludge
45:20 <rc664> weird. my phones are too stupid to do that
45:29 <Nothing\> lol
45:35 <Nothing\> btw
45:43 <Nothing\> do you know that "nother" is an actual word?
45:50 <Nothing\> it's actually in the webster's dictionary
46:03 <Nothing\> and here i've been admonishing people for saying "a whole nother"
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46:26 <rc664> websters does not count
49:06 <rc664> i used a signal app on a tablet, that was annoying, because the speakers did not turn off
49:18 <Ysjoelfir> ew
52:58 <rc664> hmm, talking about that, what is a good maximum voltage on a signal generator, for general use
54:00 <Ysjoelfir> I would say that it is usefull to have ttl compatible output. maybe a bit more, like 12V max to directly drive some FETs, but TTL should be fine imho
54:19 <Nothing\> what the problem is?
54:28 <Nothing\> don't make me break muh foot off in yo ass!
54:38 <rc664> yes
54:42 * Nothing\ bobs his head around while he talks
55:27 <Nothing\> man, turns out i can't take this crappy 3rd party gamepad for my ps3 back
55:41 <Nothing\> thing won't sync to it, even when it's on top of it or plugged in with usb
55:48 <Nothing\> so on one hand, i'm out $30
55:57 <Nothing\> on the other, i have something new to take apart
56:29 <Nothing\> though it's probably just gonna be a buncha potted chips and random motors/potentiometers
56:38 <rc664> hmmm. 12v. well i have to see what i get from the thingie
57:08 <rc664> if you hook up the bluefi module inside it, maybe it works
57:10 <Nothing\> i really dunno what a good voltage is
57:29 <Nothing\> i always figured they were relatively low voltage cuz you can just hook em up to an amp if you need more voltage
57:43 <Nothing\> like ~1v
00:51 <Nothing\> lol i just got an analog multimeter from aliexpress i paid $5 for
00:58 <Nothing\> the thing's like... lemme measure it
02:16 <rc664> ooh, i want one of those, but just for 2
02:22 <Nothing\> 6x9cm
02:25 <Nothing\> lol
02:39 <rc664> handy
02:39 <Nothing\> and... 3cm deep
02:58 <Nothing\> doesn't even have banana plugs, just these dull needle lookin things
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03:14 <rc664> 2mm pins?
03:24 <Nothing\> sounds about right
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03:35 <Nothing\> yeah, 2mm
03:47 <rc664> fancy
03:54 <Nothing\> lol and the cords are all of 30cm long
04:10 <Nothing\> and stiff as a dead guy
04:46 <rc664> ok, just ship it over here, i kan do something to it
05:10 <Nothing\> test it on a live neon transformer?
05:35 <rc664> that should make it softer, i guess
05:48 <Nothing\> lol tender it up
06:12 <Nothing\> i hear that was colonel sanders' secret to his chicken
06:22 <Nothing\> run 50kv through em first, make the meat nice and tender
07:22 <rc664> maybe. i did like my 1000v hotdogs
07:41 <rc664> not that they needed tenderising
08:34 <Nothing\> those were good videos
08:44 <Nothing\> you see the one where he runs mains through himself?
08:52 <Nothing\> i believe it was called the tingle-tron
08:54 <rc664> huh?
09:01 <rc664> clive?
09:04 <Nothing\> yeah
09:10 <rc664> yes
09:26 <Nothing\> he made a device to run mains voltage through himself, after several 10k resistors of course
09:29 <Nothing\> and a pot
10:04 <rc664> i did cook hotdogs on a plank with 2 nails, ising the trains 1000v heater curcuit
10:14 <Nothing\> damn self threading screws
10:21 <Nothing\> they feel so wrong
10:44 <Nothing\> lol nice
12:03 <rc664> stop touching them?
12:36 <rc664> ok, i am going home... good night
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20:17 <arch> T3sl4, any new projects?
20:31 <T3sl4> buh
22:49 <arch> i'll take that as a no then :D
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32:43 <hsn> morning
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06:37 <JoePrivate1> Hello everyone, just want to drop a quick question out of curiosity from my recent home network update. I attached a router to my cable modem recently using a yellow patch cable from an old belkin router. I doubted it would work since it only had 3 internal wires in the ethernet cable but it did. Just out of curiosity, why does it work and what's s
06:37 <JoePrivate1> o different about it with the typical 8 wires? It also says on the yellow cable itself NOT to connect it to clients, only router to modem. Any ideas is much appreciated thank you!
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06:20 <Halcyon> Foom
06:36 * Ampera kisses Halcyon 
08:19 <Halcyon> :)
08:23 <Halcyon> How are you Ampera?
08:38 <Ampera> awake
08:39 <Ampera> how are you Halcyon
08:50 <Halcyon> Well you're one step above me, I'm exhausted
09:06 <Ampera> good
09:12 <Ampera> nobody should be too relaxed in this world
10:05 <Halcyon> :P
10:40 <Halcyon> Gees some people (of certain nationalities) just don't get it... I get a message from a guy enquiring about my old car, offering me $15k
11:02 <Halcyon> I told him no as it was already competitively priced and pointed out that my model goes for upwards of $25k
11:11 <Halcyon> Then the same guy messages me today and offers $12.5k
11:27 <Ampera> that's a bit racist
11:39 <Halcyon> It's farken true though
11:40 <Ysjoelfir> mornings
11:47 <Ampera> ah sorry, that's alright then
12:06 <Halcyon> You don't walk into a Mercedes Benz dealer than try to haggle the salesman down to $50k on a $100k car
12:22 <Halcyon> Sorry "sales person"
13:26 <Ampera> yeah but that's a bit loose of a basis to write off entire nationalities
13:46 <Halcyon> There seems to be a common theme
13:55 <Halcyon> Likewise, they tend to be awful drivers
15:35 <Ysjoelfir> over here we call those people "Was letzte Preis!?!?"-people. ("What last price!?!?") And I agree, it tends to be people of specific nationality, though many of their landsmen are perfectly nice people
28:54 <Halcyon> Oh I'm not saying they aren't nice, but they don't seem to have much of a quotient when it comes to... shall we say.... what is reasonable and what is almost offensive.
30:30 <Halcyon> For example on a used car from a private seller, it would be normal to haggle the price down hundreds, maybe even a thousand dollars or two... generally... not $10k
33:25 <Halcyon> Particularly after I declined his first (higher) offer and pointed him to a price range I would be willing to accept.
34:59 <Halcyon> That is an interesting item: https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/XT-XINTE-48CM-SD-Card-Female-to-TF-Micro-SD-Male-Flexible-Card-Extension-Cable/324447037262?_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20160908105057%26meid%3Db23de4842d504b02b836be001cf38044%26pid%3D100675%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D15%26mehot%3Dnone%26sd%3D143921140095%26itm%3D324447037262%26pmt%3D0%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D2380057&_trksid=p2380057.c100675.m4236&_trkparms=pageci%3A225c2f8a-7b
34:59 <Halcyon> 32-11eb-94b1-565d66be6240%7Cparentrq%3Af21338a71770a44c67a0d05dfffdeb9c%7Ciid%3A1
35:00 <Ysjoelfir> indeed^^
35:05 <Halcyon> Now sure what I'd use it for
35:09 <Halcyon> But I like it
35:19 <Halcyon> Argh, stupid link
35:24 <Ampera> you can trim those, you know
35:33 <Halcyon> https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/XT-XINTE-48CM-SD-Card-Female-to-TF-Micro-SD-Male-Flexible-Card-Extension-Cable/324447037262
35:53 <Ysjoelfir> that was a thing "back when" 3D printers were new and used to connect the usually somewhere burried mainboard to a SD card from the outside
36:00 <Halcyon> Ahhh
36:08 <Ysjoelfir> at least thats where I know that from
36:35 <Ysjoelfir> EEVBlog convert 5’8” to cm
36:35 <EEVBlog> I wasn't able to parse that correctly, please see EEVBlog Help for more details
36:44 <Ysjoelfir> meh
36:51 <Ysjoelfir> EEVBlog convert 5 foot to cm
36:51 <EEVBlog> The result is: 152.4 cm
36:55 <Ysjoelfir> thanks
37:27 <Ampera> that's 68 inches
37:42 <Ysjoelfir> maybe
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22:28 <Halcyon> I'm pretty sure this food is designed to kill you: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epmyfmd0tpw
28:02 <Ampera> looks like Dr. Suess is canceled
28:32 <Ysjoelfir> so now its Dr. Salty?
28:50 <Ampera> no it's apparently Dr. not 50/50 perfect split between black and white characters
29:01 <Halcyon> Wha?
29:08 <Ampera> https://nypost.com/2021/03/02/biden-removes-mention-of-dr-seuss-from-read-across-america-day/
29:21 <Halcyon> OH GET FUCKED
29:29 <Halcyon> People are so fucking dumb
29:44 <Halcyon> I will buy a Dr. Seuss book just for shits and giggles
30:03 <Ampera> one fish two fish, white fish, black fish
30:21 <Halcyon> Maybe it should be "Jew Fish"... is that the problem?
30:27 <Ysjoelfir> “Of the 2,240 (identified) human characters, there are forty-five characters of color representing 2% of the total number of human characters,” according to a 2019 study from the Conscious Kid’s Library and the University of California that examined 50 of Dr. Seuss’ books.
30:29 <Ampera> no, jews are also canceled
30:32 <Ampera> they make the muslims upset
30:43 <Ysjoelfir> that sounds pretty right for most white countries to have roughly 2% colored people?
30:51 <Ampera> not here
30:52 <Halcyon> Shit like that makes me angry
30:54 <Ampera> we have far more than that
31:11 <Halcyon> I wonder how society can get any more retarded... then someone finds a way
31:17 <Ampera> also, I want to point out, of course it's a californian university
31:25 <Ysjoelfir> lol
33:21 <Ampera> Halcyon, what is corned beef
33:22 <Ampera> define it to me
33:33 <Halcyon> Beef that is corned
33:40 <Ysjoelfir> definition: tasty
33:49 <Ampera> Ysjoelfir, how about you, what would you define as corned beef
33:56 <Halcyon> I dunno? Salty meat
33:59 <Ampera> I'm going through an existential corned beef crisis
34:02 <Halcyon> That is quite tasty
34:14 <Ampera> Halcyon, does it come in a can over there
34:30 <Ysjoelfir> cooked small chunks of beef suspended in gellatine and pressed to get a sausage
34:31 <Halcyon> I'm sure it does, but I can't say I've seen it?
34:43 <Ampera> Ysjoelfir, now that's one I haven't heard about
34:48 <Ysjoelfir> like spam, but nicer? :D
34:49 <Halcyon> Usually it comes sliced from the deli or vacuum sealed
34:51 <Ampera> no
34:55 <Ampera> no no no
34:58 <Ampera> oh dear god
35:07 <Ysjoelfir> yep, ours comes sliced as well
35:14 * Ampera wants to start a massacre
35:36 <Ampera> ya could have just said it's a crumbly thing that comes in a can and I'd have forgiven you for being foreign, but you somehow manage to use our definition, and then use it wrong
35:39 <Halcyon> https://shop.coles.com.au/a/national/product/coles-beef-corned-silverside
35:53 <Ysjoelfir> https://www.landfleischerei-schmelzer.de/cornedbeef-aufschnitt
35:56 <Halcyon> https://shop.coles.com.au/a/national/product/hamper-corned-beef
36:01 <Halcyon> Oh there you go, it does come in a can
36:16 <Halcyon> Heheheh AUFSCHNITT!!!
36:17 <Ampera> that actually looks like US corned beef, but in a can
36:48 <Ampera> Ysjoelfir, then it seems that the German definition of corned beef is completely different to the US and UK ones
36:56 <Ampera> Halcyon, that first link is real (US) corned beef
37:24 <Ampera> it's a beef brisket that's been salt cured, and then slow/pressure cooked
37:32 <Ysjoelfir> that wouldn't surprise me at all
37:38 <Ampera> it's served in large chunks with stew-type vegetables
37:44 <Ampera> It does /not/ come in a can ever
38:00 <Ampera> and while it's available as cold cuts, that's an exception, not a rule
38:18 <Ampera> https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-uoi4d47s/images/stencil/1280x1280/products/120/2440/corn-beef-cabbage__63213.1583081604.jpg?c=2
38:23 <Ampera> sort of like that
38:40 <Ysjoelfir> that looks not bad at all, I take that
38:41 <Ampera> it's kept in a whole piece so the length of the grain of the meat is preserved. It's incredibly soft and tender
38:56 <Ampera> what happened yesterday is I looked for images of it on google to use as an example
39:09 <Ampera> and most of it was not only sliced against the grain thin, but also oven roasted
39:21 <Ampera> which is just absolute fucking heresy
40:14 <Ampera> it's like boiling a whole chicken in a pot of water
40:21 <Ampera> and then eating it
40:45 <Ampera> it's a way to do it, but it's just not the right way
44:55 <Ysjoelfir> I think I should try it that way, doesn't seem complicated at all
45:12 <Ampera> What you have seems to be a completely different sort of sausage
30:14 * Halcyon slaps Ampera with his sausage
30:25 * Ampera slaps Halcyon with a smackerel
30:32 <Halcyon> Fishy
30:44 <Ampera> how are you doing Halcyon
30:48 <Halcyon> Tired
30:50 <Halcyon> I should sleep
32:21 <Ampera> sleep is for the weak
36:27 <K> hello mosses
38:15 <K> hey, Ysjoelfir, can you tell me what those buttons could mean? -> https://imgur.com/a/OrbUVYJ
38:50 <K> it is a car radio from golf 1 afaik
39:00 <K> has sentimental value to me
42:09 <Halcyon> Doesn't DX enable you to listen to transmissions that are weak?
42:22 <Halcyon> i.e. it opens up the squelch a bit more
43:08 <K> hm, maybe
43:21 <K> i've tried to find any domcumentation on it, but nothing
43:41 <K> it has fairly standart (for the time period) receiver ic inside
46:33 <Halcyon> From another manual: "Initially, the radio only searches for stations with a strong signal. If no such station is found, distance reception (DX) is automatically selected and stations with a weaker signal will also be selected".
49:00 <K> makes sense
50:27 <Halcyon> I think LO might mean "Local". i.e. it only seeks and stops on stronger (closer) stations
50:38 <Halcyon> No idea what VF and U might be
52:33 <K> someting german probably
52:48 <Halcyon> Well I remember seeing DX and LO on english radios back in the day
54:24 <Halcyon> From another manual, VF might mean "View Frequency" ?
54:32 <Halcyon> But it may be out of context with this unit
55:44 <Halcyon> Actually, disregard, looks like VF was used as some kind of early RDS/Traffic Priority thing
56:00 <Halcyon> The SK signal is actually the 57 kHz subcarrier that is transmitted by the ARI-compliant FM station for this functionality. This frequency, like the RDS subcarrier frequency is chosen because it is the third harmonic of the 19 kHz pilot tone used in the FM-stereo transmission standard. An easy way to understand that is that this frequency is the 19 kHz pilot tone multiplied by 3.
56:01 <Halcyon> An ARI-equipped radio would illuminate an indicator lamp to show that this function was in force. Most such radios would use this function further to help users search for ARI broadcasts. In the Radio Data System environment, the TP signal is equivalent to this basic function.
56:01 <Halcyon> The basic method implemented on an analog receiver would be a switch usually marked SDK or VF. Radios that used the "classic" mechanical push-button preset system would have one of these buttons set aside as the VF switch. If this switch was on, the radio would mute unless it was tuned into a station that transmitted this signal.
56:04 <Halcyon> If the radio was a digitally-tuned receiver, this switch usually engaged an "ARI-seek" mode which had the radio seek for any ARI station if it was out of range of the currently-tuned ARI station.
57:16 <Halcyon> That just leave "U"... no fucking idea :P
57:26 <K> uh thanks
05:48 * steve30 meows at Halcyon 
31:21 <Ysjoelfir> I would assume U is UKW (=FM), and VF.... I know that a thing called VHF existed, but afaik only in television.
32:37 * steve30 meows at Ysjoelfir 
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34:44 * Ysjoelfir just had a nap with his cat on his legs, so grabs steve30 and pets him and immediately falls back asleep
35:05 <steve30> *purr*
36:59 <steve30> Ysjoelfir, here's that music video so far: https://youtu.be/_ee6l--e_e0
37:07 <steve30> (currently unfinished)
41:39 <Ysjoelfir> I don't like the music, but I like the video so far :) It could have benefited from one of those... "dont shake holder thingies" since you see when the camera walks a step, but otoh I like that it looks rough and down to earth. :D I'm sure the guy will like it
42:31 <steve30> I took my tripod with me, but the handheld shots actually look better.
44:11 <K> Ysjoelfir, thanks, that makes sense too
44:24 <Ysjoelfir> I think "better" is very depending on the result you want to achieve. As I said, I like it this way. you hold it steady enough so that it doesn' look amateurish and still has some character to it :D
44:27 <Ysjoelfir> youre welcome K
44:49 <K> ultra kurtz freq
46:49 <Ysjoelfir> exactly
46:57 <steve30> The handheld ones either had the tripod or monopod attached, which helps with balance
47:18 <Ysjoelfir> Aah, I see, basically like a counterbalance?
47:31 <steve30> yeah
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