// #eevblog — 2019-07-13
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01:07:20 <Guest|9575> hello
01:07:20 <EEVBlog> Hello there, Guest|9575!
01:07:51 <Guest|9575> i wanted to know the trending courses for ece student
01:08:36 <Guest|9575> ??
01:10:55 <Guest|9575> hello
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01:12:04 <K> yes.
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01:52:53 <rust_collector> Yay! I got my crap-spec yihua power supply today. It will be interesting to see what is in that thing. As far as I can see thru the vent holes, there is not much in there at all
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02:33:01 <K> smps or linear?
02:33:20 <K> (weight?)
02:33:35 <rust_collector> it does have a little transformer
02:34:32 <rust_collector> still not much weight, as it is not very powerful. 15v and 1a
02:34:46 <rust_collector> could be an lm317, for all I know
02:35:08 <rust_collector> but it has a nice case, and some meters, so that is ok
02:36:44 <rust_collector> I only got it because of the case and meters. if I can make the guts of it work for what I want, then that is just a bonus
02:38:28 <rust_collector> I did look thru all of youtube, and the non chinese/russian internet to find a bit of info on it, but I just got a million unboxing videos. But we will see later this evenight
02:41:41 <K> which model/how much $?
02:42:23 <rust_collector> ps-1501a
02:42:36 <rust_collector> "phone repair" power supply, lol
02:43:00 <K> oh boy, real needle meters
02:43:11 <rust_collector> yeah
02:43:22 <rust_collector> so, it was $22
02:43:25 <rust_collector> us
02:43:57 <rust_collector> Ok, I popped it open, and it is an lm358 and not much more
02:44:11 <rust_collector> and a tiny tiny 20v transformer
02:45:07 <rust_collector> it is almost funny how large the box is, when you see how little it has inside
02:48:16 <rust_collector> https://imgur.com/a/AwFUgme
03:11:29 <K> pfft
03:11:33 <K> not much indeed
03:19:27 <rust_collector> I wonder if I can up the voltage a little bit. If I could get 20v on the output....
03:21:20 <K> hmm, the voltage meter will protest
03:21:45 <rust_collector> I have a 30v meter, that is the "same"
03:22:17 <rust_collector> I have to draw this up, and see what it does how
03:28:07 <rust_collector> needs new tires and a carb
03:36:58 <DHess_US> I wouldn't have bought something like that if it didn't have documentation.
03:37:37 <rust_collector> well, I did buy it for the case, so... I do not need any documentation for a steel box
03:40:16 <rust_collector> the rest is just a bonus, and if I can use the rest for someting, that is ok
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03:43:38 <Nothing\> ah i'm really enjoying my new toy
03:43:48 <Nothing\> and for $625 i damn well better enjoy it
03:50:16 <rust_collector> hey Nothing\ so, are you awake?
03:50:37 <Nothing\> for now lol we'll see how i hold out
03:52:39 <Nothing\> huh, apparently the pi 4's usb c port is non-compliant and doesn't work with a lot of power supplies
03:52:58 <Nothing\> this, friends is why you don't buy things immediately when they're announced
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03:56:06 <Nothing\> speaking of crappy pis...
03:57:08 <DHess_US> The two signalling lines were suppose to have separate 5.6k (?) terminations and they combined them.
03:57:47 <DHess_US> So it will work if you use a cable which does not include those connections or something.
03:58:15 <DHess_US> For want of a 5.6k resistor, the kingdom fell.
04:00:38 <Nothing\> huh, nintendo's hq in kyoto is kind of a boring looking building
04:00:44 <Nothing\> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Nintendo_office.jpg
04:01:23 <DHess_US> It looks like it is suppose to be pixelated.
04:01:27 <Nothing\> you look at the hq for sony and microsoft, they represent the qualities of the company, sony's building is sleek, cold, sterile, but modern, microsoft's is green and naturalized, nintendo's is... a box
04:01:37 <Nothing\> lol it does
04:01:57 <Nothing\> actually it looks sorta like a military compound with that heavy walled perimeter
04:02:00 <Nothing\> i didn't notice that at first
04:02:08 <Nothing\> or maybe an embassy
04:03:01 <Nothing\> actually i guess that grey color is reminiscent of the pallet of the original NES, even though the NES was never released in japan, it shoulda been red and beige
04:03:35 <Nothing\> it looks like ROB the robot should live there
04:10:13 <Nothing\> hah
04:10:29 <Nothing\> the computer on the space shuttle was called the ibm system/4 pi
04:17:35 <Nothing\> man, nintendo's really dumbing down their products for yanks
04:17:57 <Nothing\> there's a warning on the back of legend of zelda next to the ESRB stuff stating that you need to know how to read to be able to play it lol
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04:21:08 <Guest|58964> Hi!
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04:25:48 <rust_collector> yeahhellogoodbye
04:54:58 <Nothing\> lol i wonder why people do that
04:55:21 <Nothing\> or even more confusing, is when somebody comes in, asks a question, then leaves like 20-30 seconds later before anyone even has a chance to answer
04:55:33 <Nothing\> it's not just here either, i've seen it happen in other irc channels too
04:57:22 <Nothing\> i dunno how i feel about these joy cons for the switch, they're awfully tiny, i don't feel like i have anything to get a good grip on them but i like that they're light as a feather
04:58:08 <Nothing\> the placement of the start and select buttons is odd too, they're at the top of the controller, over the abxy on the right and above the analog stick on the left so i still have to get used to that
04:59:30 <Nothing\> i never thought i'd hear myself say this either, but i really like the rumble feature on it, i dunno what they did different but it's way more than just an off kilter motor that spins to make the controller shake, the haptic feedback actually has some dimension to it, i can almost "feel" the sound in it, and it gives a nice impactful sort of feeling whenit wants to, i always thought rumble packs were a dumb idea until thi
05:03:59 <Nothing\> i like that there's no camera in this thing either, just a light sensor
05:04:26 <desu> Hi!
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05:04:42 <Nothing\> actually i really like that, i was thinking the other day and i've never once in over 5 years needed the camera on my 3ds for anything more than gawking at the 3d pictures it can take for about 30 seconds
05:04:47 <Nothing\> hey desu how goes it?
05:04:51 <Nothing\> oh dammit
05:04:53 <Nothing\> he did it too
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05:05:21 <Nothing\> there you are, i thought you did what that guest guy did and said hi only to leave immediately after lol
05:05:40 <Nothing\> i thought you were trying to make some sort of ironic statement or something
05:05:45 <Nothing\> @ desu
05:05:49 <desu> yes
05:05:52 <desu> i was making a joke
05:06:01 <Nothing\> ah k lol hah
05:06:39 <desu> but i understand why people do that
05:06:42 <Nothing\> man i wish i had more games for my switch, but i know if i did i wouldn't play them enough to really give them the attention they need
05:06:47 <desu> i think they get nervous when noone responds
05:06:47 <Nothing\> yeah? why's that?
05:06:55 <Nothing\> ah, i guess i can see that
05:07:06 <Nothing\> i dunno, it's been like 20 years since i've been a newb on irc
05:07:50 <desu> i do it sometimes, but only on discord.
05:08:00 <desu> that has chat history so you can see what type of ppl that frequent
05:08:01 <Nothing\> i remember when i first got on the first community i used on irc, one of the users was sort of giving me a hard time, he told me that unless i'd been going there for at least 6 months i was a newb, and i remember thinking to myself how 6 months seemed like an eternity and i'd probably never stick around that long
05:08:20 <Nothing\> i wound up going to that channel, and a related one for over 15 years
05:09:04 <Nothing\> i've never been on discord, but i considered going on this one, i can't remember what it's called now but it's by that guy who runs TASBOT if you're familiar with it
05:09:12 <Nothing\> dwango or something
05:09:22 <desu> discord is garbage
05:09:45 <desu> im only in it because people refuse to use IRC for some game i play
05:09:48 <Nothing\> he's got videos on youtube of his TASBOT speedruns being aired live and he seems real friendly and the channel in general just seems real upbeat
05:10:02 <Nothing\> people refuse to irc in general these days
05:10:25 <Nothing\> a few years ago an old roommate of mine saw me using irc, he takes a look at it and says "dude, are you a hacker?"
05:10:31 <rust_collector> Maybe you should chat on msn
05:10:39 <desu> i always hide irc windows in public lol
05:10:42 <desu> scary
05:10:45 <Nothing\> why?
05:10:50 <desu> don't want to appear odd
05:10:57 <Nothing\> i mean, i try to keep it minimized too because i don't want anyone reading over my shoulder
05:11:12 <Nothing\> but it occurs to me now they probably wouldn't know WHAT they were reading even if they did
05:11:38 <desu> yeah i don't think anyone could tell, i use a tiny font size.
05:12:12 <Nothing\> i have this font, it's called aurebesh, it's just a regular alphabet but with each letter replaced with a character from the star wars unirverse's alphabet, i've been wanting to learn how to read it
05:12:24 <desu> but y'know it's like using linux
05:12:29 <desu> people ask annoying followup questions
05:12:34 <Nothing\> i learned how to read russian, though not understand it, so it can't be any different
05:13:01 <rust_collector> how many letters does it have?
05:13:04 <Nothing\> i already use dvorak as it is, so i figure between using dvorak and aurebesh, my computre would be unusable to anyone but me
05:13:09 <Nothing\> rust_collector: what? russian?
05:13:11 <Nothing\> or aurebesh?
05:13:19 <rust_collector> no, the au..thing
05:13:27 <Nothing\> standard 26, but no upper/lower case
05:13:39 <Nothing\> i think it has separate symbols for numbers and some p unctuation as well
05:13:42 <rust_collector> ok, that is doable
05:14:14 <Nothing\> yeah lol i tried to learn japanese the other week thinking "oh boy i can finally play all of those japanese famicom games i've always wanted to try but nobody ever translated!"
05:14:37 <desu> lol
05:14:38 <Nothing\> little did i know it's got 2 alphabets each with 48 letters, then a 3rd with several thousand characters each representing a word, like chinese
05:14:40 <desu> do you use vim?
05:14:42 <desu> with dvorak
05:14:58 <Nothing\> nah, i never cared to learn any of those console text editors
05:15:00 <Nothing\> i just use scite
05:15:11 <desu> i used dvorak briefly a couple of years ago but i couldn't get over how i had to change all the vim keybinds
05:15:17 <Nothing\> most operating systems have a thing where you can change the layout of the keyboard for the os in general
05:15:33 <Nothing\> yeah that's the one crappy thing is any time i played a game, i'd have to remap the keys more often than not
05:15:43 <Nothing\> although there were some games where it would do that automatically, which was really nice
05:16:08 <Nothing\> or some things like dosbox or webos, the operating system on my tv, where it just doesn't support it at all
05:16:30 <rust_collector> the bad thing was that it reset it to hungarian when it exits
05:17:00 <Nothing\> but yeah it actually took me a few tries to really learn dvorak, i got sick of hunting and pecking at like 5 words per minute while trying to keep up with irc, so i'd use it off and on for a few days and then get tired of it and inevitably go back to qwerty for a while
05:17:14 <Nothing\> and eventually after a year or two of switching back and forth like that, i found i just picked it up like nothing
05:18:06 <Nothing\> although i don't know that it's any faster than qwerty, it definitely feels more comfortable, but it took me at least a year or two AFTER i became fluent in it before i even approached my qwerty speed
05:18:24 <desu> i made my wallpaper the dvorak layout
05:18:28 <desu> that helped a lot
05:18:33 <Nothing\> and i half wonder if the comfort's just because it's what i'm used to
05:18:47 <desu> but idk, i like the idea of dvorak
05:18:51 <desu> just sucks that it's not really used
05:19:22 <Nothing\> desu: actually i found learning the layout was the easy part, that only took me a couple of hours, i found rather than learning where the keys were, the hard part was learning the actual motions my hands had to make in order to form words as a whole
05:19:32 <Nothing\> it was very much like i imagine learning a new language is like
05:19:50 <Nothing\> where it's more than just learning what each word means, but rather how to combine the words into ideas
05:19:50 <desu> i guess i was pretty young at the time, so easier to pick up new stuff
05:19:59 <Nothing\> oh man don't get me started on that
05:20:00 <desu> i never did any wpm tests though so not sure how fast i was actually typing
05:20:24 <Nothing\> i'm just now starting to notice significant declines in my cognitive ability, which is scary because i've always prided myself on my intelligence
05:20:30 <rust_collector> I did, and in english, I always end up around 25-26
05:20:31 <Nothing\> my intelligence is all i have
05:20:52 <Nothing\> i got around 90wpm but i haven't checked in years
05:21:13 <rust_collector> In norwegian, I always end up around 25-26 or so
05:21:13 <Nothing\> lol i got a credit in highschool typing without having to do any work because i could type twice as fast as my teacher
05:21:22 <Nothing\> she had my type the alphabet a few times and that was my credit
05:21:34 <desu> nerd
05:22:05 <Nothing\> everything i've seen that talks about typing speeds indicates that 40wpm is a very fast typing speed lol
05:22:13 <rust_collector> god. we had typewriter classes.
05:22:28 <Nothing\> usually it's something like 10wpm is slow, 20wpm is medium and 40wpm is fast
05:22:39 <rust_collector> I think 60 is fast
05:22:43 <rust_collector> or so
05:22:47 <Nothing\> if i ignore punctuation and type from my mind rather than reading i can get up to 110-120
05:22:53 <Nothing\> with some damage to my accuracy
05:22:58 <rust_collector> and keyboard
05:23:18 <Nothing\> but that seems to be about the limit of my mind, any faster than that and i'm typing faster than i can think
05:23:27 <desu> 90wpm is fast
05:23:46 <Nothing\> i picked up typing so fast cuz i've been on irc for like 20 years
05:24:10 <Nothing\> actually one advantage dvorak definitely has is it forced me to learn touch typing, which did help improve my accuracy and the comfort factor
05:24:50 <Nothing\> since i didn't know where the letters were, keeping my fingers on homerow and using proper touch typing made it a lot easier to keep track of what letters are under which fingers
05:24:56 <desu> wait you don't do touch typing already?
05:25:12 <desu> i don't think i've looked down at the keyboard to find keys since i was like 12
05:25:19 <desu> probably younger
05:28:42 <rust_collector> "more than 90 days ago"
05:30:16 <Nothing\> well touch typing i mean keeping your fingers on homerow and typing specific keys with specific fingers
05:30:24 <Nothing\> i've been able to typi without looking for as long as i can recall
05:30:27 <desu> oh
05:32:00 <Nothing\> huh they used the same computer on the space shuttle as they used on skylab
05:32:31 <Nothing\> it's funny, everybody's all gung ho about the computer on the saturn v, but nobody ever seems to talk about any other space craft computers
05:32:55 <Nothing\> don't think they had any before the apollo program but i was thinking it'd be neat to learn about the ones that came after
05:33:37 <Nothing\> i still need to watch the rest of that series curious marc did restoring the guidance computer from the saturn v, i can't recall the name of the thing now
05:35:55 <Nothing\> oh cool, found some reference material for the space shuttle computer
05:35:56 <Nothing\> http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/ibm/4pi/Technical_Description_of_IBM_System_4_Pi_Computers_1967.pdf
05:37:09 <Nothing\> huh learned another new word today, steradian, which i guess is like the radian equivalent for 3 dimensions, so 4 steradians in a sphere
05:38:12 <Nothing\> this thing actually predates the saturn v i think, or is from the same era
05:41:02 <rust_collector> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6Xn2Zf-wKw
05:44:10 <Nothing\> huh who knew
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06:23:56 <rust_collector> the china one is much more powerful, but I doubt it will last many years
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10:25:29 <Halcyon> Morning all
10:26:20 <steve30> hi Halcyon
10:26:30 <Halcyon> Hey Steve :)
10:26:47 * Halcyon throws coffee beans at Steve, one by one
10:26:48 <steve30> I'm just getting my cameras ready as I want to film the gay pride parade this morning.
10:26:53 <Halcyon> Oh lovely :)
10:26:59 <steve30> It would help if I knew the parade route :p
10:27:04 <steve30> coffee :D
10:27:15 <Halcyon> I'm just waking up, got a haircut in an hour
10:28:03 * steve30 gets the scissors
10:28:26 <Halcyon> I want my head massage too
10:29:55 * steve30 pounces onto Halcyon's head
10:30:02 <Halcyon> :P
10:30:12 <Halcyon> That could be taken a few ways
10:30:25 <steve30> hehe
10:31:10 <steve30> I keep getting "Subject: Security alert for your linked Google Account" emails
10:31:23 <Halcyon> Weird
10:31:31 <steve30> I'm guessing it doesn;t like me logging in from a cookieless browser
10:31:39 <Halcyon> Probably not
10:39:56 * Ampera throws a vase at Halcyon
10:40:13 <Halcyon> Fuck you Ampera :P
10:40:19 <Halcyon> How are you my friend?
10:40:23 * Ampera fucks Halcyon instead
10:40:33 <Halcyon> Hah, you wish
10:41:19 <Ampera> Depressed, bored, sad, wistful, excited, angry, annoyed, desperate, confused, frustrated, incensed, etc.
10:41:28 <Ampera> basically all the emotions all at once
10:46:29 <steve30> I hate DSLR viewfinders
10:47:07 <Ampera> speaking of viewfinder, I need to do some PPro recording stuff
10:59:36 * steve30 gets food
11:22:45 * Ampera throws a meatball at Halcyon
12:02:09 * damian throws Ampera at Halcyon
12:02:24 * Ampera throws a large metal box containing a lab PC at damian
12:02:36 <damian> woah woah woah, leave the lab pc's out of this buddy
12:02:59 <Ampera> I was just given one, i7-610E, 4GB RAM, 500GB HDD, and enough I/O to choke a horse
12:03:04 <Ampera> but I don't know what to do with it
12:03:19 <damian> hahah
12:04:09 <damian> it's only ten years old, it's barely even worth having
12:04:17 <Ampera> what?
12:04:27 <Ampera> that's bullshit, it's a perfectly capable PC
12:04:27 <damian> you know, becuase you like retro gear
12:04:38 <damian> it's not even old enough!
12:04:40 <Ampera> No, I actively use even older machines in big capacities.
12:04:47 <Ampera> My server is even older
12:04:52 <damian> that's what i'm saying
12:04:53 <Ampera> Westmere-EP
12:04:54 <damian> it's too new for you!
12:05:22 <Ampera> you finna get a fuckin whop upside your face
12:06:05 <damian> hahaha
12:06:12 <Ampera> It's a really nice form factor, fanless operation, variable DC input from 9v to 34v
12:06:16 <DHess_US> Northwood server FTW!
12:06:22 <damian> is it a branded computer?
12:06:34 <Ampera> wlan, dual GbE, SATA, HDMI/DVI
12:07:02 <Ampera> damian, kinda
12:07:05 <DHess_US> Sorry, I mean Cascades FTW!
12:07:10 <Ampera> Advantech iirc
12:07:35 <Ampera> It is from a nuclear power research facility.
12:07:54 <damian> doe sit have any company secrets on it
12:08:14 <Ampera> nope
12:09:21 <Ampera> just a very annoying Linux install
12:10:34 <damian> kill it with fire!@
12:11:00 <Ampera> out of all the people I've asked for what to do with the thing, you are by far the most annoying one
12:11:12 <Ampera> and someone even thought to suggest putting fucking plex on it
12:14:22 <damian> hahah
12:14:55 <damian> you didn't ask me for ideas of what you could do with it, you just stated that you didn't know what to do with it...
12:15:16 <damian> but i don't know, i try and go bigger and better so i don't use so much electricity and have everything in one system
12:15:18 <Ampera> that is asking for ideas you upside downy
12:15:29 <damian> older computers like that are pretty useless unless they are branded retro machines you can display
12:15:47 <damian> the only old computer like that i have is in my cupboard for when i get around to building my MAME
12:15:55 <Ampera> I disagree, and I am currently using a 5 year older Mac Mini as an active DAW
12:17:00 <damian> i even have an old HP Z220 i7 sitting next to me that i have literally no use for
12:17:11 <damian> i think it's an i7-3770, 8gb ram, 7200rpm 1tb disk
12:17:27 <Ampera> The issue is that I already have a computer to fit all my tasks.
12:17:36 <damian> yeah
12:17:41 <Ampera> I'm not hurting for computing, for once, I have a fairly powerful server, good desktop machine, nice DAW
12:17:55 <Ampera> I even have a pretty awesome HTPC
12:18:22 <Ampera> I also have a pfSense router, even though this would make a pretty great one
12:18:27 <damian> so what's on your list that you think you're lacking?
12:18:59 <Ampera> Only idea I can come up with then is a second HTPC, stick it on another TV or something
12:19:05 <Ampera> but the issue is I don't even use the one I already have
12:19:47 <Ampera> It /does/ have dual expansion slots, I'm hoping 1x PCI 1x PCIe
12:19:56 <Ampera> so I could potentially put an okay-ish GPU in there, but again, to do what
12:39:21 <damian> i just decided to buy a couple of chromecasts
12:39:34 <Ampera> Good choice.
12:39:37 <damian> cheap, easy, effective, nothing goes wrong with them, they don't use much electricity
12:39:37 <Ampera> I quite like chromecasts.
12:39:49 <Ampera> They are the main STBs for both of our TVs
12:39:50 <damian> i had htpcs for years before that
12:40:12 <Ampera> If I lived with people who enjoyed technology, I would use HTPCs exclusively, because I much prefer them, or even if I actually used the TV
12:43:15 <damian> haha
12:43:20 <damian> why would you choose them over a chromecast?
12:45:37 <Ampera> damian, because you can do loads more with an HTPC than you can with a chromecast
12:45:42 <DHess_US> The only reason I have a TV is for OTA during emergencies.
12:45:54 <Ampera> like play video games, play local video content, operate without an external device
12:46:04 <damian> of course you can, it's a full fledged computer .. but who realistically uses it for anything other than media?
12:46:05 <Ampera> record and watch cable/antenna TV
12:46:20 <Ampera> Not in my experience, you can't even give them static IPs
12:46:25 <Ampera> They are very locked down
12:46:40 <damian> you don't need static ip these days, you can control that via dhcp .. but a device like that shouldn't need it anyway
12:46:46 <Ampera> They are literally the driving reason why our network now runs DHCP
12:46:59 <Ampera> That's not a good reason, it should have them, because I might just want to run my network like that
12:47:20 <Ampera> In short, HTPCs are more powerful, more capable, and more expandable.
12:47:36 <damian> a chrome front end for the telvision and a plex back end is all you need. all of your media in one place (which you probably have anyway), a central location for catalogue instead of having something like xbmc on each htpc which catalogues locally and you can just do all of your local content/tv through plex
12:47:58 <damian> these days you can stick an antenna on your plex server and serve standard television
12:47:59 <Ampera> I refuse to use Plex.
12:48:09 <damian> why is that?
12:48:47 <Ampera> It is annoying to use, it locks down features behind paywalls, it completely alienates my current methods of doing things, and is just annoying.
12:49:06 <Ampera> My media server system runs on pure network filesystems, you have folders, sorting videos, and that's it.
12:49:18 <Ampera> You don't need a special client, you don't need anything fancy, and you can use your favourite media player.
12:49:39 <damian> the features they lock down behind paywalls you wouldn't use anyway, because you'd be using it on a television :P
12:49:45 <damian> they really only restrict features if you're on mobile
12:49:52 <Ampera> damian, I am on mobile
12:49:56 <Ampera> and I want my media on any device I might have
12:49:58 <Ampera> without paying
12:49:58 <damian> we're talking about htpc here buddy
12:50:07 <Ampera> we're talking about media servers
12:50:12 <Ampera> that's what plex is
12:50:20 <damian> you can always continue to use a filesystem on mobile around it
12:50:35 <damian> i can't remember the last time i watched anything on mobile that wasn't a quick youtube video, it's annoying and small
12:50:35 <Ampera> Then if I already use the remote filesystem, why do I need Plex
12:50:53 <Ampera> I'm not talking phones, I'm talking tablets, Android.
12:50:59 <damian> for ease of use. it's annoying and messy getting people to use a keyboard/mouse or other pointing device to browse through a filesystem to choose media
12:51:28 <Ampera> Not in my experience, I sort everything incredibly well, and it's friendly to literally every method of file browsing, including graphical, touch, and command line file explorers.
12:52:00 <damian> so do i, but it's still more cumbersome than having a netflix style gui controlling it on a touchscreen
12:52:05 <Ampera> SFTP implementations on Android are fairly good, and can be used with simply entering credentials once, and over WAN
12:52:27 <Ampera> Actually i find having to set up a fancy media center UI like that more annoying than just having files and folders.
12:53:01 <Ampera> My system has categories and things like that, just like any other system, just without any need to use things like databases or complicated server systems or specialized clients.
12:54:44 <damian> 'set up a fancy ui' is literally just install plex and point it at your media :P
12:55:32 <damian> plex automatically does categories for you. if you do it yourself you can only have a single category, or if you have multi then it'll get messy won't it? and if someone wants to watch a specific movie they'll have to know what category it would be, what you classify it as, or do a search
12:56:35 <Ampera> How does it automatically know what content I have
12:56:38 <damian> i'm not trying to convince you, you seem pretty set in your ways .. but except for the payment wall for features, it has everything you've described iwth less work :P
12:56:50 <damian> you tell it where your content is, and it does lookups based on filenames
12:56:51 <Ampera> No it has less than what I've described with more work.
12:57:23 <Ampera> but regardless, you use what you want, I just hate Plex
12:57:28 <damian> lol
12:57:36 <Ampera> probably the biggest reason is it's something someone else has put together, and this is something I put together
12:57:41 <damian> yeah, it seems like it comes down to an unjust hate for something because you aren't sure how it actually works
12:57:44 <Ampera> if I just point some magic solution at something, I get nothing out of it.
12:57:56 <damian> i was the same once, i refused to go through anything like xmc for years because i didn't like it.. then i moved and was like awh it's so easy
12:58:02 <damian> then plex came along and it's even easier
12:58:08 <Ampera> I don't fucking want easy
12:58:13 <Ampera> I want something unique and interesting
12:58:24 <Ampera> which is why I hate Plex
12:58:31 <damian> well what you have isn't unique and interesting, a lot of people do it :P
12:58:40 <damian> it does require a lot more work to maintain though
12:58:44 <Ampera> Not really
12:58:49 <Ampera> it requires no work to maintain
12:58:59 <Ampera> I put a file in a folder, give it a name, and I'm done.
12:59:02 <damian> my system i have a gui (Sonarr/Radarr) which i just punch in the media i want.. movie or tv, it goes and fetches it, downloads it, pushes it into its own folders and it autmoatically appears in Plex
12:59:14 <damian> i literally just have to do a quick search then add and voila
12:59:32 <damian> you have to download, rename, sort, file .. and on top of that ensure the htpc is working properly
12:59:45 <damian> which i get, it's a lot less fun when it's all automated, but at a certain point you get over it
13:00:08 <damian> i've been in the media game since 2000, i moved to chromecasts about four years ago.. that's fifteen yeras of doing it all myself, or building tools to do it for me
13:01:03 <Ampera> damian, why do you use IRC
13:01:10 <damian> you're young with a lot of energy!
13:02:02 <damian> quite a few reasons, a lot of it is nostalgia though
13:02:11 <Ampera> You have an incredibly easy alternative, Discord, it has free servers, lots of configurization, an incredibly rich bot API, a unified user/friend base, web, desktop, and mobile clients, and voice/video chat.
13:03:01 <Ampera> In almost every single way it's a superior service to IRC, which requires expensive and complicated servers, made to work with each other, you don't have unified member bases across different servers, bots can't do as much, and you have to run your own systems in order to get things like a unified chat log.
13:03:14 <damian> i use discord as well..
13:03:21 <damian> i have for a few years
13:03:28 <Ampera> Then why are you still here on IRC?
13:03:36 <damian> i literally just said, nostalgia...
13:03:40 <Ampera> It's not because it's better, or because it's easier.
13:03:45 <Ampera> It's because it's more fun to use it.
13:04:18 <Ampera> Modems are nostalgic, but I don't see you jumping to connect to IRC via a BBS bridge
13:04:48 <damian> haha. that's because modems are slow and would complicate things, they don't offer anything that modern internet doesn't
13:05:00 <Ampera> Plex may be easier, it may be shiner, it may even be a better solution, but it's something that I can't tinker with, it's something I don't own, and it's something I don't administrate.
13:05:17 <Ampera> IRC doesn't offer anything that Discord doesn't, with the faint exception being lightweight and diverse clients.
13:05:20 <damian> irc still exists, there's a lot of things i get from irc that don't exist on other platforms. all of freenode is a daily thing for me to seek assistance from the guys who build the applications i use
13:05:51 <damian> but the reason i continue to be a part of the administration is definitely just due to nastalgia and to see if i can make it great again, nothing more
13:06:29 <damian> but also, i've been using irc for 19 years, i know it inside out and for quick things it's easier to whip up a mirc script than it is to whip up a discord bot in another language
13:06:44 <damian> but again, i'm not CHOOSING IRC over another platform, they compliment each other
13:07:48 <Ampera> look, I can try to explain why I use SFTP over Plex for another five hours, the simple reason is I hate Plex in the same way I hate broccoli and the colour yellow, it's because I don't like it.
13:08:01 <damian> yeah, that's fair enough
13:08:13 <damian> but don't try and say because what you have right now is easier, because it's not :P
13:08:29 <damian> it's quite alright just to not like something
13:08:38 <damian> broccoli though? i love that stuff
13:08:46 <Ampera> I still say it's easier, because you need to maintain this stuff for Plex anyways (as you're describing)
13:09:14 <damian> i think the only maintenance i do on plex is run an update once every few months, and that's not really a necessity
13:09:27 <damian> wget url; dpkg -i pack.deb; exit
13:09:46 <damian> the other three systems i use are self updating
13:09:49 <Ampera> The only maintenance I do on my system is nothing.
13:10:02 <damian> i really need more disk space though
13:11:04 <Ampera> All it is, is just putting files in a directory
13:11:18 <damian> into the RIGHT directory :P
13:11:27 <Ampera> yeah because that's so hard
13:12:31 <damian> i guess it depends on who's going to be using the system
13:12:52 <damian> my partner is good with technology, but the more she used a htpc the more things would go wrong with it
13:12:53 <Ampera> Anyone can, it's not hard to figure out.
13:13:12 <Ampera> Open a directory and look at files, mounting, loading, sorting, all done by me or automatic.
13:13:20 <damian> and i'm still not sure about the categories!
13:13:23 <damian> can you show me how they're set out?
13:14:30 <Ampera> I'll do more than that
13:33:48 <Halcyon> Hey all
13:43:30 <Ampera> hey Halcyon
13:51:54 <Halcyon> I need to clean my computer rool
13:51:54 <Halcyon> room
13:52:00 <Halcyon> My desk is a mess
13:52:17 <Ampera> Halcyon, you need to get more monitors
13:52:30 <Halcyon> I have spares but they aren't all identical
13:52:36 <Halcyon> I would rather one big 4K monitor though
13:52:38 <Ampera> doesn't matter, use them
13:52:43 <Ampera> >one big 4k monitor
13:52:46 <Ampera> why do I hate you more now
13:52:53 <Halcyon> *shrug*
13:53:04 <steve30> Halcyon, are you back from your haircut?
13:53:08 <Halcyon> Yup
13:53:15 <Halcyon> It started snowing when I was there
13:53:29 <Halcyon> Not much, just a dusting, but I probably should have worn more than a T-shirt :P
13:53:47 <Ampera> awww, you poor straylian
13:53:53 <Halcyon> Yup
13:57:44 <damian> hey! i'm getting a haircut tomorrow!
13:57:54 <Ampera> Halcyon, golf?
13:57:57 <Ampera> also haircuts are for fags
13:58:02 <Halcyon> :)
13:58:03 <damian> have our work awards night in a couple fo weeks and want to look shmick for it
13:58:20 <Halcyon> Ummm a bit later? I need to get this room clean and vacuum all the bird seed out of my keyboard
13:58:22 <Ampera> I will grow my hair until I can stand on it
13:58:28 <damian> it's a three course meal night with camera people everywhere. last year i didn't get one good shot in because i was overweight, hadn't done my hair and was overall messy
13:58:32 <Ampera> eh, I might go fall asleep then
13:58:44 <damian> this year things will change!
13:58:49 <steve30> Halcyon, I uploaded another portrait:
13:58:49 <steve30> https://www.flickr.com/photos/36651585@N04/48269582177/in/dateposted-public/
13:59:08 <damian> i love that awkward sitstand happening there
13:59:10 <Halcyon> Cute Steve :)
13:59:29 <damian> also love the casio
13:59:34 <damian> every nerd needs to own one
13:59:48 <damian> i have a black one, a silver one and a calculator one
14:00:03 <Ampera> people's blood pressures have skyrocketed in this channel
14:00:12 <Halcyon> Why?
14:00:21 <Ampera> uwu
14:01:02 <steve30> I think I was kinda trying to sit on the wheel
14:01:13 <steve30> I put a new strap on said Casio watch the other week
14:21:26 * steve30 hugs Halcyon
14:37:18 <Halcyon> Back later...
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16:32:20 <Halcyon> Back
16:32:26 <Halcyon> ESXi all updated :)
16:38:45 <Ampera> hullo Halcyon
16:38:48 <Halcyon> Heya
16:39:05 <Ampera> how do
16:40:11 <Halcyon> Not bad, you?
16:40:41 <Ampera> just woke up
16:40:49 <Ampera> real depressing nap
16:42:33 <Halcyon> :(
16:42:41 * Halcyon spoons Ampera
16:42:53 <Ampera> not sure if you've ever had one like what I've had, they're rare, but have happened before
16:43:08 <Ampera> sort of one where your emotions start running away, and you start feeling an immense solitude
16:43:18 <Halcyon> I don't think I have?
16:43:47 <Halcyon> BRB, just need to restart the Hypervisor again. I'll loose internet connectivity for a few minutes.
16:43:49 <Ampera> this one is even worse as I realize that it's not an aberration of a dream, but now because I am incredibly alone.
16:43:53 <Ampera> alright
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16:56:31 <Halcyon> Sorry just trying to sort out some issues
16:56:50 <damian> lucky i didn't gline you!
16:56:56 <Halcyon> Why?
16:57:00 <damian> MASS FLOODING
16:57:03 <Halcyon> ??
16:57:06 <damian> i'm kidding
16:57:15 <Halcyon> What the hell are you on about ?
16:57:19 <steve30> wb Halcyon
16:57:21 <damian> your face!
16:57:25 <Halcyon> Fuck you :P
16:57:28 <Halcyon> Hey Steve
16:57:29 <Halcyon> :)
16:57:34 <Halcyon> How was the gay parade?
16:57:35 <damian> how's the day going
16:57:39 <Ampera> I was just thinking about needing some lead foil for something, but you lot of fucks seem to have eaten it all.
16:57:43 <steve30> it doesn't start till 10am
16:57:48 <Halcyon> Yeh OK, trying to sort out a strange issue with my hypervisor
16:58:03 <damian> did you end up fixing the dhcp issue?
16:58:07 <Halcyon> I have a funny feeling it's STP
16:58:14 <Halcyon> Nope, ended up re-building the host
16:58:22 <Halcyon> But now I have a similar issue but only with some hosts
16:58:23 <damian> haha, that was one of my suggestions!
16:58:35 <Ampera> "my specialty is networking"
16:58:48 <Halcyon> It is Ampera, but this is a very odd problem
16:58:57 <Ampera> and you're a very odd person
16:59:09 <damian> networking doesn't necessarily include client OS's!
16:59:10 <Halcyon> Probably
16:59:19 <Halcyon> I don't think the host OS is at fault
16:59:42 <Halcyon> I think the vswitch is playing up on the hypervisor
16:59:58 <Halcyon> But I haven't been able to nail the problem to anything in particular yet
17:00:17 <Ampera> I think this is one of various reasons why you shouldn't use hypervised routing.
17:00:26 <Ampera> or switching
17:00:48 <Halcyon> Well short of filling up every slot on my server with a NIC
17:00:52 <Halcyon> It's kind of my only option
17:01:06 <Ampera> use dedicated switches?
17:01:13 <Halcyon> The only physical NICs I have which are passed through to the host OS are for my Gateway
17:01:20 <damian> out of curiosity what hardware is it? what NIC
17:01:27 <Halcyon> OK, so V-Switches are virtual switches for the hypervisor hosts only
17:01:28 <Ampera> your network setup confuses the hell out of me Halcyon
17:01:35 <Halcyon> It's not a virtual switch for the whole network
17:01:39 <Halcyon> I have 2 physical switches
17:01:52 <damian> and what is the hypervisor?
17:01:58 <Halcyon> Shutup Damian :P
17:02:03 <damian> no serious
17:02:11 <Halcyon> ESXi
17:02:11 <damian> it's sounding like an issue specific to broadcom NIC's and HyperV
17:02:15 <damian> well that rules that out
17:02:19 <Halcyon> I only use Intel NICs
17:06:18 <Ampera> can aluminium foil be crimped?
17:06:30 <Halcyon> Why couldn't it?
17:06:53 <Ampera> I really wish I had lead foil, because I could get a nice tight one, but aluminum foil I don't think binds to itself like lead does
17:07:12 <Halcyon> Do you want me to send you some?
17:07:13 <Ampera> also ew gay pride
17:07:15 <Ampera> I need a sort of cold weld to bring two tiny tiny conductors together
17:07:20 <Ampera> not unless you have next hour shipping :P
17:07:24 <Halcyon> :P
17:07:28 <Halcyon> Go to the hardware store then
17:07:47 <Ampera> trying to figure out how to get my headset wires together in a more permanent way
17:07:53 <Ampera> so I'm gonna try a foil crimp
17:08:01 <Halcyon> Shall I just send you a new headset?
17:08:14 <Ampera> no because this one is fine
17:08:18 <Halcyon> Is it?
17:08:21 <Ampera> and I'm not binning a headset because of a shit cable
17:08:37 <Halcyon> Do what you want with the old one, but wouldn't you like a new one?
17:09:02 <Ampera> cause if I get a new one, it would be one that would cost more than I would be comfortable asking anyone to simply get for me on the spot.
17:09:12 <Ampera> I have money if I need something like that, I just don't want to spend it.
17:09:26 <Halcyon> What kind of headset do you want?
17:10:52 <Ampera> If I were to get a new one it would be a Sennheiser set, similar to my GSP 300s, but with a detachable cable
17:12:14 <Ampera> quite expensive concept, and if you'd get me one, you'd with that Australia had nicer private gun laws.
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17:13:34 <Halcyon> *yawn*
17:14:05 <Halcyon> I'll see what prices I can do through my suppliers
17:14:31 <Halcyon> One of my main ones don't stock Sennheiser, but Ill check another one
17:14:39 <Ampera> It's fine Halcyon, I've already fixed it
17:14:44 <Halcyon> Cool :P
17:20:31 <Ampera> the song I use to test: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2I5kH0klENs
17:35:06 <Ampera> Halcyon, golf?
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17:53:00 <K> hello
17:53:18 <Halcyon> Hi K
18:00:36 * Ampera air to air missiles Halcyon
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19:06:48 <Halcyon> Ampera, yep
19:06:52 <Halcyon> Golf sounds good
19:06:54 <Halcyon> DogWomble, ?
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19:11:29 <Halcyon> damian, ?
19:13:27 <DogWomble> hey :)
19:13:44 <Halcyon> Golf
19:13:45 <Halcyon> ?
19:14:16 <Halcyon> Join Ampera's General voice
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19:38:10 <Halcyon> T3sl4, Cards?
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19:39:05 <Halcyon> Oh there you are
19:39:07 <Halcyon> What happened?
19:39:13 <Halcyon> Did you catch the NBN?
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19:39:34 <Ampera> Halcyon, and that is why I hate UPSes
19:39:40 <Halcyon> ??
19:39:42 <Ampera> because my dad's decided to not want to be on anymore
19:39:48 <Ampera> which powered all the switches
19:39:52 <Halcyon> Overload?
19:39:53 <Ampera> nope
19:39:59 <Halcyon> Just poo?
19:40:09 <Ampera> happened with the one I had too, it just randomly decided to shut off for no reason
19:40:15 <Ampera> which completely defeats the entire point of having a UPS
19:40:24 <Halcyon> Yeh they shouldn't do that
19:40:31 <Ampera> Not sure what brand his one was, but mine was TrippLite, it shouldn't have been doing that.
19:40:38 <Halcyon> I stick with APC :P
19:40:46 <Ampera> APC has a legendary reputation for being shit
19:40:48 <Halcyon> CAH ?
19:40:54 <Halcyon> I have never had an APC die
19:40:55 <Halcyon> Ever
19:41:01 <Ampera> or so everyone in a datacenter will tell you
19:41:08 <Halcyon> Especially now they are owned by Schnieder Electric
19:41:13 <Halcyon> They make good gear
19:41:29 <Halcyon> Datacentres arent run on lead acid based UPSs
19:41:38 <Halcyon> (Good ones at least)
19:41:41 <Ampera> Isn't that the German Amstrad partner that sold shitty Hi-Fi bullshit and CPCs in the 80's and 90's?
19:41:55 <Halcyon> *shrug*
19:42:11 <Halcyon> APC are among the best
19:42:17 <Halcyon> Along with Eaton
19:42:48 <Ampera> I was always told to never use them, but I'm told that with everything
19:42:57 <Ampera> I don't use UPSes anyways, because I have never had anything but pain with them
19:43:09 <Halcyon> Whoever says APCs are crap need their head read
19:43:18 <Halcyon> They are expensive, yes
19:43:26 <Halcyon> But quality wise, they are fantastic
19:43:30 <Ampera> need their head read?
19:43:33 <Ampera> again what language are you speaking
19:43:38 <Halcyon> As in they aren't right in the head
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20:00:59 <steve30> o/
20:02:51 <steve30> well, that parade video will be nice and easy to edit
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20:57:34 <rust_collector> hey steve30, what parade was that?
20:59:46 <steve30> local gay pride
21:00:55 <rust_collector> oh, ok. We had that "here" a few weeks ago, is it like a parade world tour sort of thing?
21:01:52 <Halcyon> Hey Steve
21:03:35 <rust_collector> So I assume your parade down there was very well choreographed, so you do not have to edit...
21:03:57 <Halcyon> Youll have to come to our Mardi Gras one year Steve
21:04:05 <Halcyon> They make a huge spectacle out of it
21:04:33 <Halcyon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhjFDqjLnps
21:04:36 <Halcyon> This was this year
21:05:14 <Halcyon> Oh yay! I can see me colleagues
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21:55:00 <steve30> Halcyon, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MoBLIwUskjE
22:06:40 <rust_collector> wow
22:07:04 <rust_collector> Well, there was no weird protests or anything...that is something
22:09:46 <steve30> yup
22:10:20 <steve30> btw, the chalk board outside the coffee shop says
22:10:27 <steve30> "YOU CAN DO IT" --COFFEE
22:10:46 <rust_collector> mm, coffee
22:15:29 * steve30 needs a coffee now
22:16:35 <Ampera> rust_collector, no pride parades are all over the place
22:16:59 <Ampera> like independently run
22:18:03 <rust_collector> ok. It would be interesting to see, if they were held one after the other, if someone could go to all of them
22:18:35 <steve30> around here they try to do them on different days so none clash
22:19:17 <rust_collector> right. that makes senst to me.
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