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00:01:56 <Steven> hey guys.
01:20:50 <andrey> hi steven
01:21:01 <Steven> how ya doin mang.
01:21:11 <andrey> why don't you like resistance?
01:21:39 <andrey> I wanted to ask you the other day
01:22:57 <Steven> you mean the spell?
01:23:01 <Steven> or the game
01:23:15 <andrey> the game
01:23:34 <Steven> I dont care for the spell because i've dealt with people who are like every minute i recast....
01:23:53 <Steven> and i dont care for the game because i dont like games where it pits people against each other.
01:24:04 <andrey> I don't see why people wouldn't recast it
01:24:56 <Steven> I play games to enjoy the experience and having to distrust people is counter to my gaming enjoyment.
01:25:06 <andrey> I mean sure if you're just walking along it would get really annoying
01:25:20 <andrey> like someone tying their shoelaces every minute
01:25:30 <Steven> i dont know if you were there for the game of the ruby phoenix tourny
01:25:36 <andrey> but combat rarely lasts more than two minutes
01:26:09 <Steven> but there was a witch who in the morning who fortune'd people and then stated they cackled the rest of the day.
01:26:48 <Steven> and so long as you didnt go outside the range of cackle, you always got to reroll.
01:26:55 <Steven> clearly it is not intended to work that way.
01:27:58 <Steven> because i've gone to conventions and after 12 hours of gaming in which i didnt talk constantly my voice was fried, so constantly laughing is just not feasible by physical limitations.
01:29:08 <Steven> its the same thing with resistance... so every minute they are casting a spell, 60 spells per hour 480 spells per 8 hour time unit...
01:30:03 <Steven> make a fort save vs fatigue and hear them complain, or just say no.
01:31:24 <Steven> i usually dont have a problem with it if you are delving into a dungeon... you start smackin up resistance on yourself every minute thats fine, I'll roll a d10 as we roll initiative and inform you how many rounds you have left.
01:32:43 <Steven> but it annoys the shit out of me when people are like oh we have to travel, I'll exploit this loophole in a thing because the core rulebook doesnt tell me i cant.
01:33:01 <Steven> wow... that was a fairly sizable rant off of a resistance question.
01:33:28 <andrey> if someone started cackling like that
01:33:39 <andrey> I would make them roll fort saves after 5 min
01:33:42 <Steven> But yeah, i dont like resistance because it pits me against other players at the table and i dont like that style of gaming.
01:33:49 <andrey> and flat out knock them unconscious after an hour
01:36:06 <andrey> also why would anyone do that
01:36:12 <andrey> it provides no special benefit
01:36:32 <andrey> since it only works once every 24h
01:37:02 <Steven> if you cackle it extends the duration by a round.
01:37:21 <Steven> so if you cackle all day, once per round they can reroll a d20.
01:37:31 <Steven> all day.
01:38:04 <Steven> it is not intended to be used to such a degree, but because there is nothing that says you cannot do it, then people do it.
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02:02:48 <andrey> Steven, the rules say outright that you can't benefit from it more than once every 24h
02:03:11 <andrey> cackle or no cackle
02:09:10 <Steven> Okay so you fortune someone, and then as a move action cackle.
02:09:21 <Steven> the fortune is good for 2 rounds at that point.
02:10:22 <Steven> accidently closed
02:10:43 <Steven> so, you fortune a person, move action cackle.
02:10:52 <Steven> the fortune which was 1 round is now a 2 round duration.
02:11:08 <Steven> fortune states you can make use of the fortune hex once per round
02:11:28 <Steven> so, first round they reroll an attack roll and cannot make use of it again.
02:11:49 <Steven> the witches turn comes around and they use their standard on something and cackle as a move.
02:12:11 <Steven> the fortune hex which had 1 round left on the duration is now extended to 2 rounds.
02:12:42 <Steven> rinse and repeat all day.
02:14:25 <Steven> theres a faq on it, people use the cackle effect to extend it to all day duration and exploit.
02:45:03 <andrey> you're right
02:45:12 <andrey> it is an exploit
02:47:57 <andrey> I vote for making fortitude saves
02:48:56 <andrey> and outside of combat the witch can only move at half speed
02:49:02 <andrey> slowing the entire party down
02:49:56 <andrey> plus they would probably be unable to speak
02:54:11 <Steven> 2nd level gnome character.
03:24:45 <DarkKapow> make everything feel like it has a deadline
03:24:59 <DarkKapow> and make them have to choose between cackling or missing out on something
03:25:12 <DarkKapow> or make them feel like they are going to miss out on something if they maintain it
03:25:30 <DarkKapow> generate a good old sense of urgency
04:31:57 <Steven> well, i've decided my rebuild is going to be a follower of Vildeis
04:33:29 <Avatar> wo
04:33:50 <Steven> probably eventually going to go into Mystery cultist.
04:34:17 <Avatar> is that fortune hex shit for real
04:34:29 <Steven> yes avatar, it is for real.
04:34:46 <Avatar> like RAI for real?
04:35:30 <Steven> no its clearly should not be allowed by RAI, but by RAW(which PFS adheres to) it is allowed.
04:39:06 <Steven> so avatar, an oracle who follows an angel empyreal lord that is completely for the eradication of evil and evildoers... whatcha think for a mystery. Battle is on the list, but what else do you think should be considered?
04:39:30 <Steven> http://pathfinderwiki.com/wiki/Vildeis
04:41:01 <Steven> if you'd like i could copy past some of the information from chronicles of the righteous's profile for you if you dont already have the book.
04:41:46 <andrey> http://paizo.com/paizo/faq/v5748nruor1fn#v5748eaic9pkc
04:41:57 <andrey> it is for real
04:46:16 <andrey> is crypt of everflame good?
04:46:25 <andrey> for me as a first time dm
04:47:06 <Steven> Yeah it is alright, you might want to tackle a scenario before committing to an entire module.
04:48:20 <Avatar> you can't ask me for oracle advice chief
04:48:25 <Avatar> I know next to nothing about them
04:48:41 <Avatar> I wouldn't recommend crypt for a first timer
04:48:53 <Avatar> maybe unless you're playing with very experienced players
04:49:03 <Avatar> or psychopath powergamers
04:49:17 <Steven> i totally can... this isnt done for mechanical reasons. I want your advice on flavor.
04:49:46 <Avatar> what are the options again
04:50:30 <Steven> Any of the oracle Mysteries.
04:51:33 <Steven> http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/base-classes/oracle/mysteries/paizo---oracle-mysteries
04:52:28 <Steven> my character worships Vildeis, who REALLY hates evil.
04:53:30 <Steven> Battle is on the list because i think that is a pretty obvious choice, i just want an outside opinion.
04:58:39 <Avatar> I think it is the only choice
05:00:02 <Steven> cool, thanks man, that is what i thought but i didnt want to rule out any options.
05:00:20 <Steven> I'm taking this very seriously because for the next year its pretty much the only thing I am going to get to play.
05:00:39 <Steven> I made the character yesterday in about an hour, played it and just didnt like it at all.
05:01:07 <DarkKapow> why no occult?
05:01:56 <Steven> it didnt feel 'good aligned' to me.
05:02:22 <Steven> It really felt like an oracle that was dabbling with the darkness
05:03:25 <DarkKapow> There are those Good who would ignore the evil in the world, or there are those that acknowledge it's existence and seek to learn it or fear it.
05:04:09 <Steven> Yeah this is a character that worships an Empyreal lord that cut out their own eyes so they would never have to look upon the evil of the world
05:04:19 <Steven> and since then has been on a crusade to erradicate it.
05:05:00 <DarkKapow> even good things have cults steven\
05:05:03 <Steven> I dont think they would tolerate a worshiper who would even dip their toe into that side of things.
05:06:28 <DarkKapow> you are only putting negative connotations on it
05:06:35 <DarkKapow> you see the word cult and assume evil
05:07:56 <DarkKapow> the occult kit could just as well be used to fight evil in the world
05:08:05 <DarkKapow> a lot of the things from it look good for vsing incoporeal undead
05:08:35 <DarkKapow> he a cult member who whorships him and the cult is basically lich hunters
05:09:11 <DarkKapow> be the black templar of the dnd universe
05:09:14 <Steven> i agree... but i dont believe in this case it works well...
05:09:56 <DarkKapow> Portfolio Devotion
05:09:57 <DarkKapow> Sacrifice
05:09:57 <DarkKapow> Scars
05:09:57 <DarkKapow> Worshipers Martyrs, obsessed, paladins, zealous crusaders
05:10:03 <DarkKapow> I dunno i see those couple of lines
05:10:15 <DarkKapow> and instantly thing occult
05:10:33 <Steven> I am building a crusader of Vildeis, and from what i read of this Emphyreal lord they wouldnt really go for possession as a good thing.
05:11:48 <DarkKapow> so don't take the possession ability
05:14:46 <Avatar> cults are evil kapow
05:15:15 <Avatar> I have said so and now it is written.
05:15:51 <Steven> I'll take another look at it. We have Automatic writing, purely utility and requires the GM to make up what i write down. Value- Subpar, but can be used as a plot point.
05:23:25 <Steven> Shroud of Retribution those who attack you get some minimal damage back Value-Mehtastic It requires that you get damaged and then only does at max 18 damage back.
05:24:50 <Steven> Spectral Spells Bonus feat that once per day you can spontaneously use. Value- Decent Ghost touch spell is alright.
05:27:30 <Steven> Spirit Walk, Standard action incoporeal and invisible that is obtainable at level 11. Value- Subpar/Decent. Allows you to get out of grapples and all sort of nasty things and lets you walk through walls. Not usable incrementally.
05:28:11 <Steven> Sure Soul Bonus' vs certain things Value- Good. Love bonus'
05:29:40 <Steven> Voice of the Grave Allows you to speak with dead. Value Subpar. Short duration, you could alternatively just carry around speak with dead scrolls.
05:32:14 <Steven> so things worth taking is phantom touch, armor, possession, and sure soul. I dont want to dabble in possession because i dont think my deity would like me wearing an evil suit, so that leaves me with 3 abilities.
05:34:04 <Steven> anything to contribute?
05:34:56 <Steven> i dismissed the entire mystery off the possession and psychic rape revelations, they did not feel like something a good aligned character would be into.
05:37:15 <Steven> If you think i've made that judgement in error, you're welcome to that opinion. I just dont see you changing my mind on them.
06:00:14 <Brunius> What happened to Sn0uu ?
06:00:56 <Steven> heh
06:01:15 <Brunius> Nov 14 19:11:43 <Ballig> did you kill her
06:01:15 <Brunius> Nov 14 19:12:44 <Steven> nope
06:01:15 <Brunius> Nov 14 19:13:37 <Brunius> why not
06:01:46 <Brunius> `op
06:03:42 <Avatar> some WA people are talking about getting into playing online
06:03:48 <Steven> so i made a gnome warpriest. I started wrath of the righteous AP with it. Dont really care for it.
06:05:13 <Ballig> you know that guy has been connecting for what seems like weeks
06:05:27 <Brunius> I blame Avatar
06:05:30 <Steven> recruit em.
06:05:45 <Avatar> already done mate
06:05:54 <Steven> kick ass.
06:06:15 <Ballig> maybe not weeks, certainly days
06:06:29 <Steven> got a request into my GM to see if i can change it.
06:06:33 <Ballig> he might have been our best player ever
06:06:46 <Brunius> Once again, I blame Avatar
06:06:53 <Steven> Oracle/Paladin feels good.
06:07:31 <Avatar> he wasn't our best player ever
06:07:37 <Steven> think i'm going to go for ever 2 levels of oracle get 1 level of paladin.
06:10:06 <Steven> think i will drop Warpriest and just go straight Cleric
06:15:25 <Steven> this character feels so much more fun then the others.
06:15:35 <Steven> well other that i played anyways.
06:15:40 <Steven> I am actually excited to play this one.
06:29:25 <DarkKapow> :'( no slumbering tsar tomorrow
06:29:38 <Steven> sad pandas.
06:29:40 <DarkKapow> going to learn this card game instead
06:29:55 <DarkKapow> panda is my nickname with all my real life friends steven XP
06:29:59 <Steven> pathfinder card game
06:30:03 <Steven> haha excellent
06:30:07 <DarkKapow> because one time i said oh sad sad panda in the library and uni
06:30:24 <DarkKapow> and it was decree'd by the librarian that i would no longger have my name it would from then on be panda
06:30:31 <Steven> my nickname is Big Steve... though some people also call me The Beard.
06:30:32 <DarkKapow> and everyone at uni did so :/
06:32:26 <Steven> im wondering if i should go with a ranged weapon.
06:32:58 <Steven> also... this feat line looks horrible
06:33:56 <Steven> Feat(1st): Extra Revelation: Weapon Mastery: Weapon focus: (Whatever weapon i pick)
06:34:24 <Steven> i'm thinking longbow.
06:36:26 <Steven> level 7 longbow critin on 19-20s.... so good.
06:37:37 <Littlebob86> I just created a human ranger archer.. and so far they are pretty bad ass.. Lots of shots, lots of laughter, fair few dead bodies
06:38:21 <Steven> who is little bob... did he come in while i was disconnected?
06:38:27 <Littlebob86> I'm only kinda new to PFS online, been playing with a bunch of international people, really been hoping to find an active Australian community :)
06:38:54 <Littlebob86> Yeah I just came in before
06:39:07 <Steven> welcome bob
06:39:14 <Littlebob86> Thanks
06:40:41 <Littlebob86> So how often do you guys manage to host online games?? Or are generally most of you in Melbourne and just have local games?
06:40:50 <Steven> i'm in washington
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06:52:05 <Brunius> We have an online PFS game once every couple of weeks
06:52:19 <Brunius> Used to be more recently but a bunch of us got engaged in homebrew campaigns
06:52:23 <Brunius> uh
06:52:28 <Brunius> more often/more recently
06:52:40 <Brunius> Whereabouts are you Littlebob86?
06:53:11 <Steven> I got busy with growing the local pfs... now it eats all my free time during the prime playing hours.
06:57:26 <Steven> In addition, choose one domain associated with your chosen deity. You gain the use of that domain’s 1st-level domain spell as a spell-like ability usable once per day (CL equals your character level)
06:57:46 <Avatar> Littlebob86: what level are your characters
06:58:16 <Steven> so i can choose between Good, Law, destruction, Healing. so Pro evil, Pro Chaos, Truestrike, and CLW. I'm thinking Pro evil is pretty good.
06:59:05 <Avatar> I think you want good
06:59:07 <Avatar> that's your entire motivation
06:59:22 <Avatar> are you still talking about your oracle
07:00:18 <Steven> yeah... just picking the trait.
07:02:14 <Littlebob86> I'm over in Perth :)
07:02:23 <Littlebob86> I got a level 1 melee and level 2 ranged
07:02:30 <Brunius> You play with the RL guys there?
07:02:43 <Littlebob86> RL?
07:02:49 <Brunius> real life
07:03:08 <Littlebob86> Ahh yeah, only just started PFS a few weeks ago, been playing home games for about a year before
07:08:14 <Brunius> The RL guys in Perth don't like us much
07:08:21 <Brunius> From what I understand they don't believe we exist
07:20:30 <Avatar> who said that
07:22:30 <Brunius> Sutekh
07:24:08 <Avatar> he referred littlebob saying it was sweet
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07:41:57 <mordor> ok
07:42:41 <Steven> um....
07:42:55 <Steven> why did mordor join and say ok and then leave? i dont understand.
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19:18:03 <Steven> Shroud of Retribution those who attack you get some minimal damage back Value-Mehtastic It requires that you get damaged and then only does at max 18 damage back.
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19:19:28 <Steven> Spectral Spells Bonus feat that once per day you can spontaneously use. Value- Decent Ghost touch spell is alright.
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19:22:08 <Steven> Spirit Walk, Standard action incoporeal and invisible that is obtainable at level 11. Value- Subpar/Decent. Allows you to get out of grapples and all sort of nasty things and lets you walk through walls. Not usable incrementally.
19:22:49 <Steven> Sure Soul Bonus' vs certain things Value- Good. Love bonus'
19:24:17 <Steven> Voice of the Grave Allows you to speak with dead. Value Subpar. Short duration, you could alternatively just carry around speak with dead scrolls.
19:26:52 <Steven> so things worth taking is phantom touch, armor, possession, and sure soul. I dont want to dabble in possession because i dont think my deity would like me wearing an evil suit, so that leaves me with 3 abilities.
19:28:41 <Steven> anything to contribute?
19:29:34 <Steven> i dismissed the entire mystery off the possession and psychic rape revelations, they did not feel like something a good aligned character would be into.
19:31:53 <Steven> If you think i've made that judgement in error, you're welcome to that opinion. I just dont see you changing my mind on them.
19:58:20 <Avatar> some WA people are talking about getting into playing online
20:00:07 <Steven> recruit em.
20:00:23 <Avatar> already done mate
20:00:32 <Steven> kick ass.
20:01:31 <Steven> Oracle/Paladin feels good.
20:02:14 <Steven> think i'm going to go for ever 2 levels of oracle get 1 level of paladin.
20:10:03 <Steven> this character feels so much more fun then the others.
20:10:12 <Steven> well other that i played anyways.
20:10:18 <Steven> I am actually excited to play this one.
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20:24:03 <DarkKapow> :'( no slumbering tsar tomorrow
20:24:16 <Steven> sad pandas.
20:24:18 <DarkKapow> going to learn this card game instead
20:24:32 <DarkKapow> panda is my nickname with all my real life friends steven XP
20:24:36 <Steven> pathfinder card game
20:24:41 <Steven> haha excellent
20:24:44 <DarkKapow> because one time i said oh sad sad panda in the library and uni
20:25:02 <DarkKapow> and it was decree'd by the librarian that i would no longger have my name it would from then on be panda
20:25:08 <Steven> my nickname is Big Steve... though some people also call me The Beard.
20:25:10 <DarkKapow> and everyone at uni did so :/
20:27:04 <Steven> im wondering if i should go with a ranged weapon.
20:27:35 <Steven> also... this feat line looks horrible
20:28:34 <Steven> Feat(1st): Extra Revelation: Weapon Mastery: Weapon focus: (Whatever weapon i pick)
20:29:01 <Steven> i'm thinking longbow.
20:31:04 <Steven> level 7 longbow critin on 19-20s.... so good.
20:32:15 <Littlebob86> I just created a human ranger archer.. and so far they are pretty bad ass.. Lots of shots, lots of laughter, fair few dead bodies
20:32:59 <Steven> who is little bob... did he come in while i was disconnected?
20:33:05 <Littlebob86> I'm only kinda new to PFS online, been playing with a bunch of international people, really been hoping to find an active Australian community :)
20:33:31 <Littlebob86> Yeah I just came in before
20:33:45 <Steven> welcome bob
20:33:52 <Littlebob86> Thanks
20:35:18 <Littlebob86> So how often do you guys manage to host online games?? Or are generally most of you in Melbourne and just have local games?
20:35:28 <Steven> i'm in washington
20:46:43 <Brunius> We have an online PFS game once every couple of weeks
20:46:56 <Brunius> Used to be more recently but a bunch of us got engaged in homebrew campaigns
20:47:01 <Brunius> uh
20:47:05 <Brunius> more often/more recently
20:47:18 <Brunius> Whereabouts are you Littlebob86?
20:47:49 <Steven> I got busy with growing the local pfs... now it eats all my free time during the prime playing hours.
20:52:04 <Steven> In addition, choose one domain associated with your chosen deity. You gain the use of that domain’s 1st-level domain spell as a spell-like ability usable once per day (CL equals your character level)
20:52:24 <Avatar> Littlebob86: what level are your characters
20:52:54 <Steven> so i can choose between Good, Law, destruction, Healing. so Pro evil, Pro Chaos, Truestrike, and CLW. I'm thinking Pro evil is pretty good.
20:53:42 <Avatar> I think you want good
20:53:45 <Avatar> that's your entire motivation
20:53:59 <Avatar> are you still talking about your oracle
20:54:56 <Steven> yeah... just picking the trait.
20:56:52 <Littlebob86> I'm over in Perth :)
20:57:01 <Littlebob86> I got a level 1 melee and level 2 ranged
20:57:08 <Brunius> You play with the RL guys there?
20:57:21 <Littlebob86> RL?
20:57:27 <Brunius> real life
20:57:45 <Littlebob86> Ahh yeah, only just started PFS a few weeks ago, been playing home games for about a year before
21:02:51 <Brunius> The RL guys in Perth don't like us much
21:02:59 <Brunius> From what I understand they don't believe we exist
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21:15:08 <Avatar> who said that
21:17:08 <Brunius> Sutekh
21:18:46 <Avatar> he referred littlebob saying it was sweet
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21:36:35 <mordor> ok
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21:37:19 <Steven> um....
21:37:32 <Steven> why did mordor join and say ok and then leave? i dont understand.
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