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01:12 <DarkKapow> okay mekkis i've made something better for slumbering tsar that will piss daniel off likely but it's pfs legal XP
02:04 <DarkKapow> Panther Style / Dragon Style Alchemist that utilises Pounce and Trip
07:01 <Ulzef> 1 lvl master many styles?
07:46 <Steven> I'm making a Gozreh Inquisitor/Master of Storms.
09:25 <DarkKapow> yeah
09:33 <DarkKapow> 1st level master of many styles
09:35 <DarkKapow> human
09:43 <DarkKapow> take all 3 of panther style
10:09 <Ulzef> not going the sexond lever for evasion and a extra feat
10:17 <DarkKapow> later on
10:49 <DarkKapow> I have 10 levels of alchemist to pile on after that 1 level dip
10:59 <DarkKapow> beastmorph alchemist
11:21 <DarkKapow> so 3 attributes from beast shape 2
11:37 <Steven> master of many styles1/beastmorph7/Master Chymist?  huh huh?
11:37 <DarkKapow> taking trip, pounce and then something else that feels good
13:47 <Ulzef> would prob work better as a druid
13:57 <DarkKapow> yeah but taking Master Chymist stunts the beastmorph mutagen
14:20 <DarkKapow> well feral discovery
14:33 <DarkKapow> the beastmorphs mutagen doesn't replace the base type of mutagen
14:53 <DarkKapow> it's an added effect to the mutagen so not sure how the poly's interact
15:01 <DarkKapow> but as it's coming form the same source i assume it stacks
15:06 <Steven> they all stack.
15:35 <DarkKapow> so bite + claws
15:52 <DarkKapow> beast shape as an alchemist makes things like trip apply to all natural attacks
16:02 <DarkKapow> because it's not per a specific animal form
16:28 <DarkKapow> so free trip attempts on claws and bite
16:52 <DarkKapow> pounce so hey you know you can full round attack
16:59 <Ulzef> were is the free trip coming from?
17:07 <Steven> I think tripping is pretty over rated when you're hitting on all the same bonus.
17:13 <DarkKapow> beastmorph archetype
17:19 <DarkKapow> gives you beast shape on your mutagens
17:37 <DarkKapow> beast shape 2 any 3 abilities you desire
17:50 <Ulzef> i get that but beast shape does not give free trip
17:55 <DarkKapow> and beast it's from the mutagen it's not based on the form you are taking like normal beast shape
18:05 <Steven> and its really easy to get to that +25 to hit.
18:05 <Ulzef> ah kk
18:28 <DarkKapow> you just get the monster special rules
18:36 <DarkKapow> so you as a entity gain pounce and trip
18:47 <DarkKapow> so trip applies to all your natural weapons
18:54 <DarkKapow> primary*
19:08 <DarkKapow> which claws and bites are from feral
19:16 <DarkKapow> sadly can't work wings in their anywhere :(
19:41 <Ulzef> no assamir
19:48 <DarkKapow> yeah no no assamir
19:49 <DarkKapow> human
19:50 <Steven> racial heritage?
19:52 <DarkKapow> want the feat
20:27 <DarkKapow> if you go aasamir you can get wings through racial feats/heritage
20:32 <Ulzef> steven is right you can heritage it later
20:37 <DarkKapow> ?
20:41 <DarkKapow> how so with what?
20:48 <Steven> 4 feat chain to get wings that you can attack with.
21:01 <DarkKapow> because it's tsar all the characters i map go to 20th
21:14 <Ulzef> then you get helm of the mamoth lord and get a gore
21:45 <DarkKapow> Beastmorph 16, Master of Many Styles 2, Unbreakable 2
22:05 <Steven> Racial heritage(Aasimar), Angelic Blood, Angelic flesh, angelic wings, metallic Wings
22:13 <DarkKapow> yeah i know the feat tree
22:24 <DarkKapow> prior to vivi being banned from pfs i planned to make a wings vivi
22:53 <Steven> the nice part is that you can make all your natural attacks cold iron
22:54 <Ulzef> vivi?
22:59 <DarkKapow> going to read MAster Chymist
23:03 <DarkKapow> vivisectionist
23:07 <Ulzef> ah
23:25 <DarkKapow> may drop 2 levels of beastmorph into chymist if chymist levels stack for discoveries
24:05 <Steven> which discover do you want to continue scaling?
24:28 <DarkKapow> grand and greater mutagen discoveries
24:31 <DarkKapow> at 12 and 16
24:42 <Steven> you can get those through Master chymist
24:48 <DarkKapow> 14th level in beastmorph
24:56 <DarkKapow> for the upgrade to beast shape iv
25:00 <DarkKapow> and 4 choices
25:24 <DarkKapow> 3*
25:26 <DarkKapow> not iv
25:53 <DarkKapow> so that can take blindsense
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30:26 <DarkKapow> as for discoveries; feral mutagen, preserve organs x3, mummification, greater mutagen, grand mutagen.
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34:48 <DarkKapow> will likely have to incorporate the master chymist somehow into this thing now thanks to you steven
35:17 <Steven> the auto enlarge this is pretty OP
35:19 <DarkKapow> i think sacking access to beast shape 3 and 4 abilities is worth what 4 levels of chymist gives
36:18 <DarkKapow> it won't change how i initially join the game but it will change how i advance
36:27 <Steven> the +1/2 level to things is also very good
37:42 <DarkKapow> 1/3
38:06 <Steven> Nimble (Ex): The master chymist’s lithe physical frame gives her an alchemical bonus on all Dexterity checks, Dexterity skill checks, and CMD, and a natural armor bonus to her Armor Class. The bonus is equal to half the master chymist’s class level.
38:25 <Steven> but for me... what did it... Brutality.  +2 damage for all natural attacks.... boss.
38:26 <DarkKapow> ah yeah that sorry thought you meant something else
38:31 <DarkKapow> yeah
39:08 <DarkKapow> will likely drop a level of unbreakable too
39:14 <DarkKapow> go 10 beastmorph
39:23 <DarkKapow> 2 master of many styles
39:25 <DarkKapow> 1 fighter
39:31 <DarkKapow> and 7 chymist
40:18 <Steven> by like level 14 my regular form will never have to come out again.
40:51 <Steven> and i'll have attacks that do Dice+24 unbuffed.
42:02 <Steven> i'll keep him at 3 attacks because anymore and it will be 1 round combats with bosses... and i find those kind of things boring.
42:07 <DarkKapow> yeah my damage won't be up that high cause am focusing on a slightly different way of things
45:14 <Steven> i figured 2d8+4d6+75 damage was good enough since the low save is will with a +14 base w/ +2 vs enchantment, petrification, poison, and some other stuff.
46:15 <Steven> and his AC is going to be around 38
46:51 <Steven> and hit points at around 180
47:11 <Steven> so.... pretty stupid powerful if he did anymore damage.
49:49 <DarkKapow> I'm running mummy
50:09 <DarkKapow> so immune to a lot of the shitty will save stuff
50:54 <DarkKapow> will get back to you about final stats when i get it on paper
51:14 <DarkKapow> now question steven
51:44 <DarkKapow> even though you can qualify for panther style which has the prereq of wis 15 by using the master of many styles
51:59 <DarkKapow> to pick up the further ones in the chain you still need 15 wis to further it correct?
52:15 <Steven> only if it is listed as a prereq for that specific feat.
53:09 <DarkKapow> such pain XP
53:57 <DarkKapow> free up 2 points of point buy and take the second level of monk earlier
54:20 <DarkKapow> or just spend the 2 points and have more freedom for class level order
54:22 <Steven> why go any further into monk at all?
54:41 <DarkKapow> level 2 another style feat without a prereq
54:44 <DarkKapow> and evasion
55:06 <DarkKapow> so means you only need 13 wis to get the entire panther style tree
55:14 <DarkKapow> granted you may as well make it a 14
55:26 <DarkKapow> so you get 2 immediate return attacks a turn instead of 1
55:33 <DarkKapow> but it means not having to have 15 wis
55:56 <DarkKapow> which means you can get an extra 2 dex
57:00 <Steven> if you're going to sink 2 levels into it, might as well dump wis to 10.
57:57 <DarkKapow> you can't
58:04 <DarkKapow> you have to have minimum 13
58:13 <Steven> panther parry is kinda meh.
58:23 <DarkKapow> because you only get access to 2 prereq ignoring feats
58:50 <DarkKapow> yeah but remember i am playing a trip build
58:53 <DarkKapow> so it's relevant
59:01 <DarkKapow> if i make my attack and trip it
59:06 <DarkKapow> it then aoo's me from the ground
59:09 <DarkKapow> at -'s
59:21 <DarkKapow> so effectively gives me mobility
59:32 <DarkKapow> and greater trip means it provokes too
59:43 <DarkKapow> not sure how priority works there with what happens first
59:49 <DarkKapow> the aoo's or his attack at me
00:20 <Steven> If thats all you're wanting to do with the build you might as well just take Mobility and save yourself the level dip.
00:52 <DarkKapow> your ignoring the entire part where you hit for damage
00:55 <DarkKapow> in the act of doing it
01:10 <DarkKapow> and if you trip trigger aoo's for anyone else around
01:14 <DarkKapow> and yourself
01:27 <DarkKapow> because what you've just done doesn't count as an AoO
01:34 <Steven> lets look at the big picture for a second.
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01:36 <DarkKapow> it's a free action
01:45 <Steven> when you get this combo to work
02:04 <Steven> its going to be ~10th level before it gets useful
02:15 <DarkKapow> we start at level 12 steven
02:24 <DarkKapow> because that's how far through we are
02:38 <DarkKapow> this isn't a pfs build
02:39 <Steven> oh... so 12th level, so pretty much everything has access to flying... which cannot be tripped
02:59 <DarkKapow> wrong
03:13 <DarkKapow> it's slumbering tsar dude
03:46 <DarkKapow> most of the monsters are corporeal undead
04:01 <DarkKapow> of some discription or constructs
07:06 <Steven> I really dont think your build is going to be as good as you think it will be at the level you're looking at.
07:39 <Steven> its just the way the game goes that as you reach higher levels things stop touching the ground.
07:44 <DarkKapow> I am not expecting it to be amazing I am expecting it to be interesting in how it works and affects combats
08:38 <Steven> If you built to just do more damage with a hit you would likely see a better return on the investment in levels.
08:40 <DarkKapow> I don't use tsar to make stupid characters or i'd take aidrel into it
08:45 <DarkKapow> I just want to see how it works
09:18 <DarkKapow> tsar is more to satisfy curiosity then smash things
09:30 <DarkKapow> because i know i am likely to die and i don't care if i do
09:40 <DarkKapow> it means make a new concept and see what it does
10:07 <DarkKapow> I still want to try make it effective and with the players that are in their it will likely be one of the more effective ones regardless
10:45 <DarkKapow> I have 4 front line fighters who could benefit if i do trip something
11:14 <Steven> what else is in the party?
11:24 <DarkKapow> 2x vital strike fighters
11:27 <DarkKapow> 1x cleave fighter
11:32 <DarkKapow> 1x monk
11:41 <DarkKapow> 1x oracle/paladin channel whore
12:05 <Steven> so.... meatshield.party
12:22 <DarkKapow> the 2 vital strike fighters are sub 30 ac
12:28 <DarkKapow> so i wouldn't say that
12:41 <DarkKapow> and they haven't bought items to give them any form of will save :/
13:12 <DarkKapow> the monk has it down pat, 43 ac, and 16+ minimum on any 1 save
13:39 <DarkKapow> but his damage isn't that great unless he flurries and even then it struggles with DR
14:27 <DarkKapow> the cleave fighter is like 32 ac with okay damage
14:31 <Steven> hmmmm
14:33 <DarkKapow> he hasn't taken any weapon spec's :/
15:12 <DarkKapow> I've been the dedicated cleric, i've been the dedicated tank before all these fighters rocked up
15:18 <DarkKapow> and i've been the dedicated ranger
15:46 <Steven> did you look at an arcane class?
15:48 <DarkKapow> I don't want to be a range character again XP
16:24 <DarkKapow> I have
16:39 <DarkKapow> at the moment i am playing a theurge in another game
16:55 <DarkKapow> which i could play the high level version of it in tsar
17:20 <DarkKapow> but really the only arcane skills that we need or really utilize is the fact we can't id magical items
17:35 <DarkKapow> the party is full of dumbshit characters
18:22 <DarkKapow> alchemist being to a degree int based and having decent skills that we need regardless of orientation
18:46 <DarkKapow> the level dip in monk makes religion a class skill
19:37 <DarkKapow> betwen religion, arcana, planes, spellcraft
19:47 <Steven> well without the identify extract you've no method to identify those items since they dont get detect magic.
20:25 <DarkKapow> what else am i going to use level 1 extracts on? already running belts + headband
20:27 <DarkKapow> belt*
20:41 <DarkKapow> yeah is barkskin
20:43 <DarkKapow> etc
20:53 <DarkKapow> not bark
20:56 <DarkKapow> enlarge*
23:09 <DarkKapow> outside that prep extracts of things like cure's resto's, displacement, stoneskin
23:18 <DarkKapow> mainly though freedom of movement for 4th slow
25:24 <Steven> looked at a druid?  you get to be a caster... you can front line if needed, and they do a surprising amount of damage
25:35 <Steven> decent amount of skill points
26:11 <DarkKapow> I don't know why but i don't enjoy druid :(
26:18 <DarkKapow> tried it with hvotvir and thrul
26:46 <Steven> i lost my taste for them after druidzilla
27:18 <Steven> i keep trying to make one i like but they always just dont feel right.
27:23 <DarkKapow> be back i need food it's 2:30am :/ haven't ate since breakfast :S
27:30 <Steven> Inquisitor?
27:38 <Steven> you get a lot of abilities.
28:25 <DarkKapow> I'll basically be putting 2 alchemists on the table and telling the party to pick
28:38 <DarkKapow> this thing or a sunlight bomber
28:45 <DarkKapow> crypt breaker archetype
28:56 <DarkKapow> undead/construct killer
29:11 <Steven> have you played with an inquisitor?
29:30 <DarkKapow> yeah playing with 1 in wrath of the righteous atm
29:36 <DarkKapow> not me playing it but 1 in party
29:50 <Steven> since it seems like you have a party thats all up in the enemy you would pretty much always have your teamwork feats online.
29:54 <DarkKapow> as i said foods be 10-15 going for a drive
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32:40 <Steven> you also get 6skill points/level base... detect magic is up, d8, 3/4 bab, and a slew of abilities, plus magic.
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34:35 <Steven> gotta go to the store.
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01:18 <s_gmusic|Work> yo
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19:04 <andrey> anyone want to play resistance?
19:11 <Avatar> what's resistance
38:30 <Avatar> sounds like a sweet game
53:58 <andrey> it's a social deduction/voting game
54:04 <andrey> a little like mafia
56:51 <andrey> you can play it over irc
57:02 <andrey> pm resistancebot on freenode for rules
57:04 <andrey> !rules
04:12 <Avatar> is there a channel
31:41 <andrey> Avatar, #playresistance
31:52 <andrey> but you need at least five people
00:56 <Avatar> I don't understand how to play
01:06 <Avatar> the rules don't describe it properly
03:07 <andrey> Avatar, still there?
03:31 <andrey> the way it works is you have 5 players, 3 resistance and 2 spies
04:11 <andrey> the game happens in rounds, every round a new leader is appointed
04:22 <andrey> clockwise from the previous one
04:51 <andrey> the leader picks a team to go on a mission, then everyone votes to approve or reject the team
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53:41 <Brunius> oh
53:44 <Brunius> I remember this
53:47 <Brunius> I've played this at school
10:07 <Avatar> what are the missions
15:38 <Mekkis> Enter #d&d and preach about muslim faiths
16:12 <Brunius> They're not specific missions, they're abstracted
16:16 <Brunius> it's just 'a mission'
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45:40 <Avatar> so what do you actually do
45:51 <Avatar> get into teams and ?
59:30 <Steven> i've played resistance, i find i dont care for it.
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47:06 <Avatar> is that because you didn't work out how to play it
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52:48 <Mekkis> it's because he's a shitty spy
58:53 <Avatar> how do you spy
58:57 <Avatar> nobody seems to know
00:26 <Brunius> Okay
00:28 <Brunius> There's two teams
00:32 <Brunius> Resistance and spies
00:54 <Brunius> The resistance wins by having three missions completed
00:59 <Brunius> the spies win by having three missions failed
01:12 <Brunius> Every round, a new commander is selected
01:17 <Brunius> Say for the first round I'm the commander
01:24 <Brunius> The mission needs, say, three people
01:35 <Brunius> So I go "I want this mission to have me, Mekkis, and Avatar on it"
01:44 <Brunius> Then everyone votes on whether or not this team is acceptable
02:11 <Brunius> They might think Avatar is a spy, so it's not acceptable, so it goes to the next person if the vote goes against it
02:36 <Brunius> Once a mission is started, the people on it get two options: Pass or fail
02:43 <Brunius> If you're in the resistance, you have to select pass
02:46 <Brunius> spies have the option of either
03:11 <Brunius> Obviously you want three missions to fail, but you also don't want them to figure out you're a spie
03:35 <Brunius> The results go back, in this case to a bot, and IRL the cards are shuffled so you don't know who selected pass and who selected fail
03:48 <Brunius> If there's a single fail vote, the mission fails
03:51 <Brunius> and it goes to the next person
03:55 <Brunius> Maybe it's Mekkis now
04:03 <Brunius> He says I want Avatar and Ballig on my steam
04:05 <Brunius> vote
04:07 <Brunius> etc.
04:23 <Brunius> The game ends when either three missions pass, or three fail
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23:01 <Mekkis> What are you saying?
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51:51 <Mekkis> I vote Brunius, Avatar and Ballig embark on a mission to accost Mike Brock.
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38:28 <andrey> so, does anyone want to play resistance?
41:24 <Mekkis> nah. I prefer inductance
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25:20 <Xelaoen> hello
25:45 <mordor> mibbit user
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08:04 <Steven> yo
15:21 <Steven> so tomorrow begins the Skull and Shackles AP.
15:26 <Steven> it shall be glorious!
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14:04 <Steven> so what up peoples
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37:00 <Mekkis> Warframe.
01:46 <Brunius> Didn't like it that much
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