// #d&d — 2014-05-12
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00:04:11 <Avatar> how do you spy
00:04:15 <Avatar> nobody seems to know
00:05:44 <Brunius> Okay
00:05:46 <Brunius> There's two teams
00:05:50 <Brunius> Resistance and spies
00:06:11 <Brunius> The resistance wins by having three missions completed
00:06:17 <Brunius> the spies win by having three missions failed
00:06:30 <Brunius> Every round, a new commander is selected
00:06:35 <Brunius> Say for the first round I'm the commander
00:06:42 <Brunius> The mission needs, say, three people
00:06:53 <Brunius> So I go "I want this mission to have me, Mekkis, and Avatar on it"
00:07:02 <Brunius> Then everyone votes on whether or not this team is acceptable
00:07:29 <Brunius> They might think Avatar is a spy, so it's not acceptable, so it goes to the next person if the vote goes against it
00:07:54 <Brunius> Once a mission is started, the people on it get two options: Pass or fail
00:08:01 <Brunius> If you're in the resistance, you have to select pass
00:08:04 <Brunius> spies have the option of either
00:08:29 <Brunius> Obviously you want three missions to fail, but you also don't want them to figure out you're a spie
00:08:53 <Brunius> The results go back, in this case to a bot, and IRL the cards are shuffled so you don't know who selected pass and who selected fail
00:09:05 <Brunius> If there's a single fail vote, the mission fails
00:09:09 <Brunius> and it goes to the next person
00:09:13 <Brunius> Maybe it's Mekkis now
00:09:21 <Brunius> He says I want Avatar and Ballig on my steam
00:09:22 <Brunius> vote
00:09:24 <Brunius> etc.
00:09:41 <Brunius> The game ends when either three missions pass, or three fail
01:28:20 <Mekkis> What are you saying?
01:57:09 <Mekkis> I vote Brunius, Avatar and Ballig embark on a mission to accost Mike Brock.
02:43:46 <andrey> so, does anyone want to play resistance?
02:46:43 <Mekkis> nah. I prefer inductance
03:08:57 <Steven> yo
03:30:38 <Xelaoen> hello
03:31:03 <mordor> mibbit user
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05:13:22 <Steven> yo
05:20:40 <Steven> so tomorrow begins the Skull and Shackles AP.
05:20:44 <Steven> it shall be glorious!
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06:19:23 <Steven> so what up peoples
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07:45:06 <spider21b> yawns
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08:42:19 <Mekkis> Warframe.
09:07:05 <Brunius> Didn't like it that much
09:36:58 <Mekkis> !spell trap the soul
09:37:07 <diebot> Mekkis, TRAP THE SOUL conjuration (summoning[]) sorcerer/wizard 8, witch 8 1 standard action or see text Range: close (25 ft. + 5 ft./2 levels) one creature Comp: V, S, M (gem worth 1,000 gp per HD of the trapped creature) Duration: permanent; see text Save: see text SR:yes; see textSource: PFRPG Core
09:37:08 <diebot> The description is too long to send over IRC. View http://nl.ti4200.info/vpsirc/spells/trap_the_soul.html
09:37:52 <Mekkis> !spell shades
09:37:53 <diebot> Mekkis, SHADES illusion (shadow[shadow]) sorcerer/wizard 9 1 standard action Range: see text Comp: V, S Duration: see text Save: Will disbelief (if interacted with); varies; see text SR:yes; see textSource: PFRPG Core
09:37:53 <diebot> This spell functions like shadow conjuration, except that it mimics conjuration spells of 8th level or lower. The illusory conjurations created deal four-fifths (80%) damage to nonbelievers, and nondamaging effects are 80% likely to work against nonbelievers.
09:38:13 <Mekkis> !spell shadow conjuration
09:38:14 <diebot> Mekkis, SHADOW CONJURATION illusion (shadow[shadow]) bard 4, sorcerer/wizard 4 1 standard action Range: see text Comp: V, S Duration: see text Save: Will disbelief (if interacted with); varies; see text SR:yes; see textSource: PFRPG Core
09:38:14 <diebot> The description is too long to send over IRC. View http://nl.ti4200.info/vpsirc/spells/shadow_conjuration.html
11:47:19 <Steven> i'll keep him at 3 attacks because anymore and it will be 1 round combats with bosses... and i find those kind of things boring.
11:47:24 <DarkKapow> yeah my damage won't be up that high cause am focusing on a slightly different way of things
11:50:31 <Steven> i figured 2d8+4d6+75 damage was good enough since the low save is will with a +14 base w/ +2 vs enchantment, petrification, poison, and some other stuff.
11:51:32 <Steven> and his AC is going to be around 38
11:52:08 <Steven> and hit points at around 180
11:52:28 <Steven> so.... pretty stupid powerful if he did anymore damage.
11:55:06 <DarkKapow> I'm running mummy
11:55:26 <DarkKapow> so immune to a lot of the shitty will save stuff
11:56:11 <DarkKapow> will get back to you about final stats when i get it on paper
11:56:31 <DarkKapow> now question steven
11:57:01 <DarkKapow> even though you can qualify for panther style which has the prereq of wis 15 by using the master of many styles
11:57:16 <DarkKapow> to pick up the further ones in the chain you still need 15 wis to further it correct?
11:57:32 <Steven> only if it is listed as a prereq for that specific feat.
11:58:26 <DarkKapow> such pain XP
11:59:14 <DarkKapow> free up 2 points of point buy and take the second level of monk earlier
11:59:37 <DarkKapow> or just spend the 2 points and have more freedom for class level order
11:59:39 <Steven> why go any further into monk at all?
11:59:58 <DarkKapow> level 2 another style feat without a prereq
12:00:01 <DarkKapow> and evasion
12:00:23 <DarkKapow> so means you only need 13 wis to get the entire panther style tree
12:00:31 <DarkKapow> granted you may as well make it a 14
12:00:43 <DarkKapow> so you get 2 immediate return attacks a turn instead of 1
12:00:50 <DarkKapow> but it means not having to have 15 wis
12:01:13 <DarkKapow> which means you can get an extra 2 dex
12:02:17 <Steven> if you're going to sink 2 levels into it, might as well dump wis to 10.
12:03:14 <DarkKapow> you can't
12:03:21 <DarkKapow> you have to have minimum 13
12:03:30 <Steven> panther parry is kinda meh.
12:03:40 <DarkKapow> because you only get access to 2 prereq ignoring feats
12:04:07 <DarkKapow> yeah but remember i am playing a trip build
12:04:10 <DarkKapow> so it's relevant
12:04:18 <DarkKapow> if i make my attack and trip it
12:04:23 <DarkKapow> it then aoo's me from the ground
12:04:26 <DarkKapow> at -'s
12:04:38 <DarkKapow> so effectively gives me mobility
12:04:49 <DarkKapow> and greater trip means it provokes too
12:05:00 <DarkKapow> not sure how priority works there with what happens first
12:05:05 <DarkKapow> the aoo's or his attack at me
12:05:37 <Steven> If thats all you're wanting to do with the build you might as well just take Mobility and save yourself the level dip.
12:06:09 <DarkKapow> your ignoring the entire part where you hit for damage
12:06:12 <DarkKapow> in the act of doing it
12:06:27 <DarkKapow> and if you trip trigger aoo's for anyone else around
12:06:31 <DarkKapow> and yourself
12:06:44 <DarkKapow> because what you've just done doesn't count as an AoO
12:06:51 <Steven> lets look at the big picture for a second.
12:06:53 <DarkKapow> it's a free action
12:07:02 <Steven> when you get this combo to work
12:07:21 <Steven> its going to be ~10th level before it gets useful
12:07:32 <DarkKapow> we start at level 12 steven
12:07:41 <DarkKapow> because that's how far through we are
12:07:55 <DarkKapow> this isn't a pfs build
12:07:56 <Steven> oh... so 12th level, so pretty much everything has access to flying... which cannot be tripped
12:08:16 <DarkKapow> wrong
12:08:30 <DarkKapow> it's slumbering tsar dude
12:09:03 <DarkKapow> most of the monsters are corporeal undead
12:09:18 <DarkKapow> of some discription or constructs
12:12:23 <Steven> I really dont think your build is going to be as good as you think it will be at the level you're looking at.
12:12:56 <Steven> its just the way the game goes that as you reach higher levels things stop touching the ground.
12:13:01 <DarkKapow> I am not expecting it to be amazing I am expecting it to be interesting in how it works and affects combats
12:13:55 <Steven> If you built to just do more damage with a hit you would likely see a better return on the investment in levels.
12:13:57 <DarkKapow> I don't use tsar to make stupid characters or i'd take aidrel into it
12:14:02 <DarkKapow> I just want to see how it works
12:14:35 <DarkKapow> tsar is more to satisfy curiosity then smash things
12:14:47 <DarkKapow> because i know i am likely to die and i don't care if i do
12:14:57 <DarkKapow> it means make a new concept and see what it does
12:15:24 <DarkKapow> I still want to try make it effective and with the players that are in their it will likely be one of the more effective ones regardless
12:16:02 <DarkKapow> I have 4 front line fighters who could benefit if i do trip something
12:16:31 <Steven> what else is in the party?
12:16:41 <DarkKapow> 2x vital strike fighters
12:16:44 <DarkKapow> 1x cleave fighter
12:16:49 <DarkKapow> 1x monk
12:16:58 <DarkKapow> 1x oracle/paladin channel whore
12:17:22 <Steven> so.... meatshield.party
12:17:39 <DarkKapow> the 2 vital strike fighters are sub 30 ac
12:17:45 <DarkKapow> so i wouldn't say that
12:17:58 <DarkKapow> and they haven't bought items to give them any form of will save :/
12:18:29 <DarkKapow> the monk has it down pat, 43 ac, and 16+ minimum on any 1 save
12:18:56 <DarkKapow> but his damage isn't that great unless he flurries and even then it struggles with DR
12:19:44 <DarkKapow> the cleave fighter is like 32 ac with okay damage
12:19:48 <Steven> hmmmm
12:19:50 <DarkKapow> he hasn't taken any weapon spec's :/
12:20:29 <DarkKapow> I've been the dedicated cleric, i've been the dedicated tank before all these fighters rocked up
12:20:35 <DarkKapow> and i've been the dedicated ranger
12:21:03 <Steven> did you look at an arcane class?
12:21:05 <DarkKapow> I don't want to be a range character again XP
12:21:41 <DarkKapow> I have
12:21:56 <DarkKapow> at the moment i am playing a theurge in another game
12:22:12 <DarkKapow> which i could play the high level version of it in tsar
12:22:37 <DarkKapow> but really the only arcane skills that we need or really utilize is the fact we can't id magical items
12:22:52 <DarkKapow> the party is full of dumbshit characters
12:23:39 <DarkKapow> alchemist being to a degree int based and having decent skills that we need regardless of orientation
12:24:03 <DarkKapow> the level dip in monk makes religion a class skill
12:24:54 <DarkKapow> betwen religion, arcana, planes, spellcraft
12:25:04 <Steven> well without the identify extract you've no method to identify those items since they dont get detect magic.
12:25:42 <DarkKapow> what else am i going to use level 1 extracts on? already running belts + headband
12:25:44 <DarkKapow> belt*
12:25:58 <DarkKapow> yeah is barkskin
12:26:00 <DarkKapow> etc
12:26:10 <DarkKapow> not bark
12:26:13 <DarkKapow> enlarge*
12:28:26 <DarkKapow> outside that prep extracts of things like cure's resto's, displacement, stoneskin
12:28:35 <DarkKapow> mainly though freedom of movement for 4th slow
12:30:41 <Steven> looked at a druid? you get to be a caster... you can front line if needed, and they do a surprising amount of damage
12:30:52 <Steven> decent amount of skill points
12:31:28 <DarkKapow> I don't know why but i don't enjoy druid :(
12:31:35 <DarkKapow> tried it with hvotvir and thrul
12:32:03 <Steven> i lost my taste for them after druidzilla
12:32:35 <Steven> i keep trying to make one i like but they always just dont feel right.
12:32:40 <DarkKapow> be back i need food it's 2:30am :/ haven't ate since breakfast :S
12:32:47 <Steven> Inquisitor?
12:32:55 <Steven> you get a lot of abilities.
12:33:42 <DarkKapow> I'll basically be putting 2 alchemists on the table and telling the party to pick
12:33:55 <DarkKapow> this thing or a sunlight bomber
12:34:02 <DarkKapow> crypt breaker archetype
12:34:13 <DarkKapow> undead/construct killer
12:34:28 <Steven> have you played with an inquisitor?
12:34:47 <DarkKapow> yeah playing with 1 in wrath of the righteous atm
12:34:53 <DarkKapow> not me playing it but 1 in party
12:35:07 <Steven> since it seems like you have a party thats all up in the enemy you would pretty much always have your teamwork feats online.
12:35:11 <DarkKapow> as i said foods be 10-15 going for a drive
12:37:57 <Steven> you also get 6skill points/level base... detect magic is up, d8, 3/4 bab, and a slew of abilities, plus magic.
12:39:52 <Steven> gotta go to the store.
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17:21:39 <Avatar> sup
17:35:15 <mordor> stone soup
17:37:37 <Steven> started the wrath of the righteous AP
17:41:30 <Steven> dunno if i really like the character.
17:49:03 <Avatar> is morder a troublemaker
17:49:15 <Brunius> I was just thinking that
17:49:17 <Steven> iunno
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17:50:01 Avatar has kicked mordor from #d&d (better to be safe than sorry)
17:50:25 <spider21b> yawns
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18:24:22 <andrey> anyone want to play resistance?
18:24:29 <Avatar> what's resistance
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18:43:48 <Avatar> sounds like a sweet game
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18:59:15 <andrey> it's a social deduction/voting game
18:59:21 <andrey> a little like mafia
19:02:09 <andrey> you can play it over irc
19:02:20 <andrey> pm resistancebot on freenode for rules
19:02:21 <andrey> !rules
19:09:29 <Avatar> is there a channel
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19:13:20 * Avatar sets ban on *!*@cdc40f11.pool.telekom.hu
19:13:20 Avatar has kicked mordor from #d&d (bye)
19:13:45 <Avatar> back the odds
19:14:08 <Steven> kick em in the teeth man!
19:14:10 <Steven> HARD
19:14:15 <Avatar> it's all good
19:14:19 <Steven> also, i want cookies.
19:36:59 <andrey> Avatar, #playresistance
19:37:10 <andrey> but you need at least five people
19:42:18 <Mekkis> !spell trap the soul
19:42:27 <diebot> Mekkis, TRAP THE SOUL conjuration (summoning[]) sorcerer/wizard 8, witch 8 1 standard action or see text Range: close (25 ft. + 5 ft./2 levels) one creature Comp: V, S, M (gem worth 1,000 gp per HD of the trapped creature) Duration: permanent; see text Save: see text SR:yes; see textSource: PFRPG Core
19:42:27 <diebot> The description is too long to send over IRC. View http://nl.ti4200.info/vpsirc/spells/trap_the_soul.html
19:43:12 <Mekkis> !spell shades
19:43:12 <diebot> Mekkis, SHADES illusion (shadow[shadow]) sorcerer/wizard 9 1 standard action Range: see text Comp: V, S Duration: see text Save: Will disbelief (if interacted with); varies; see text SR:yes; see textSource: PFRPG Core
19:43:13 <diebot> This spell functions like shadow conjuration, except that it mimics conjuration spells of 8th level or lower. The illusory conjurations created deal four-fifths (80%) damage to nonbelievers, and nondamaging effects are 80% likely to work against nonbelievers.
19:43:33 <Mekkis> !spell shadow conjuration
19:43:34 <diebot> Mekkis, SHADOW CONJURATION illusion (shadow[shadow]) bard 4, sorcerer/wizard 4 1 standard action Range: see text Comp: V, S Duration: see text Save: Will disbelief (if interacted with); varies; see text SR:yes; see textSource: PFRPG Core
19:43:34 <diebot> The description is too long to send over IRC. View http://nl.ti4200.info/vpsirc/spells/shadow_conjuration.html
19:52:57 <Brunius> hehe
19:53:01 <Brunius> just found a log from 2012
19:53:12 <Brunius> Nov 13 18:26:24 <Avatar> wtf
19:53:12 <Brunius> Nov 13 18:26:31 <Avatar> jaggedsoul is sending me an invite to some dumb facebook game
19:53:12 <Brunius> Nov 13 18:26:46 <Avatar> why the hell isn't he in here inviting me to a game of PFS
19:53:12 <Brunius> Nov 13 18:27:24 <Ballig> he wasn't very good at it
19:53:12 <Brunius> Nov 13 18:30:11 <Avatar> he had fun
19:53:13 <Brunius> Nov 13 18:30:15 <Avatar> so he was v.good at it
19:53:14 <Brunius> Nov 13 18:30:48 <Ballig> you killed him
19:53:16 <Brunius> Nov 13 18:31:08 <Avatar> he didn't take off because I killed him
19:53:18 <Brunius> Nov 13 18:31:18 <Ballig> I didn't say he did
19:53:20 <Brunius> Nov 13 18:31:30 <Avatar> what are you saying then
19:53:22 <Brunius> Nov 13 18:31:33 <Avatar> spit it otu
19:53:24 <Brunius> Nov 13 18:31:33 <Avatar> out*
19:53:26 <Brunius> Nov 13 18:31:45 <Ballig> I said you killed him
19:53:28 <Brunius> Nov 13 18:35:00 <Avatar> someone had to
19:53:30 <Brunius> Nov 13 18:35:32 <Avatar> someone had to put gogg out of his misery
19:54:53 <Brunius> What happened to Sn0uu ?
19:55:36 <Steven> heh
19:55:55 <Brunius> Nov 14 19:11:43 <Ballig> did you kill her
19:55:55 <Brunius> Nov 14 19:12:44 <Steven> nope
19:55:55 <Brunius> Nov 14 19:13:37 <Brunius> why not
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19:56:26 <Brunius> `op
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19:58:28 <Steven> so i made a gnome warpriest. I started wrath of the righteous AP with it. Dont really care for it.
19:59:52 <Ballig> you know that guy has been connecting for what seems like weeks
20:00:07 <Brunius> I blame Avatar
20:00:55 <Ballig> maybe not weeks, certainly days
20:01:09 <Steven> got a request into my GM to see if i can change it.
20:01:13 <Ballig> he might have been our best player ever
20:01:25 <Brunius> Once again, I blame Avatar
20:02:10 <Avatar> he wasn't our best player ever
20:04:46 <Steven> think i will drop Warpriest and just go straight Cleric
20:06:14 <Avatar> I don't understand how to play
20:06:23 <Avatar> the rules don't describe it properly
20:08:24 <andrey> Avatar, still there?
20:08:49 <andrey> the way it works is you have 5 players, 3 resistance and 2 spies
20:09:28 <andrey> the game happens in rounds, every round a new leader is appointed
20:09:40 <andrey> clockwise from the previous one
20:10:09 <andrey> the leader picks a team to go on a mission, then everyone votes to approve or reject the team
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20:58:59 <Brunius> oh
20:59:01 <Brunius> I remember this
20:59:04 <Brunius> I've played this at school
21:15:25 <Avatar> what are the missions
21:20:56 <Mekkis> Enter #d&d and preach about muslim faiths
21:21:30 <Brunius> They're not specific missions, they're abstracted
21:21:33 <Brunius> it's just 'a mission'
21:50:58 <Avatar> so what do you actually do
21:51:09 <Avatar> get into teams and ?
22:04:48 <Steven> i've played resistance, i find i dont care for it.
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23:52:24 <Avatar> is that because you didn't work out how to play it
23:58:06 <Mekkis> it's because he's a shitty spy
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