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04:45:24 <odie5533> How can you tell if a Game has open seats left on the site?
04:52:04 <Yiroep> It says how many seats there are and how many people have signed up.
04:52:08 <Yiroep> You looking at Hydra's Fang?
04:52:37 <odie5533> All of them in general I mean
04:52:47 <odie5533> So for Hydra's Fang, it says 6 seats, and 4 are filled?
04:52:51 <Yiroep> Correct.
04:52:55 <odie5533> ok, thanks
04:56:57 <odie5533> Are the games played exclusively on IRC, or with any Voice Chat or Roll20?
04:59:12 <Yiroep> I haven't actually done it, but they use a special program for the map (don't remember what it's called) which I think includes voice chat, and they also use this IRC channel.
04:59:46 <Yiroep> Maybe they use something else for voice. Not sure. But they don't use Roll20 as far as I know.
04:59:49 <Yiroep> http://www.pfrpg.com.au/files.php5
04:59:52 <Yiroep> That's the map program.
05:07:10 <andrey> I think avatar uses skype for voice
05:08:16 <andrey> though I've wanted to play a game with text only, on two channels- ooc and ic
05:08:53 <andrey> any good resources on the basics of DM-ing?
05:09:06 <Yiroep> Specifically for PFS or not?
05:09:47 <Yiroep> And online advice?
05:09:52 <andrey> I've read stuff like http://angrydm.com/
05:09:59 <andrey> but it's a lot to take in
05:10:10 <Yiroep> Honestly, I feel experience is the best way.
05:10:13 <andrey> I guess playing a lot is a good way to learn
05:10:38 <Yiroep> I learned the most rules just by players pointing out rules to each other.
05:10:42 <Yiroep> During the game.
05:11:06 <andrey> hehe
05:11:23 <andrey> I feel kind of miffed about the offline campaign I'm in
05:11:43 <andrey> our elf fighter gets two attack rolls for every attack
05:11:48 <andrey> at level 1
05:11:53 <Yiroep> Uhh, what?
05:12:23 <andrey> misinterpretation of this feat http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/combat-feats/elven-accuracy-combat
05:12:53 <andrey> yet my sorcerer can't learn fiery shuriken because it doesn't feat the 'theme'
05:12:56 <Yiroep> Yes, that's very incorrect.
05:12:58 <andrey> *fit
05:13:39 <Yiroep> Can you imagine how many martial people would be elves if that were the case?
05:13:46 <Yiroep> And why doesn't that fit a theme?
05:13:55 <andrey> it's an 'eastern' spel
05:13:57 <andrey> spell
05:14:06 <andrey> and we're on a 'western' continent
05:14:32 <andrey> plus the Ultimate books kind of break the game anyway?
05:14:36 <Yiroep> Eh, I can sort of see that. There are a lot of people that hate the "eastern" type stuff, like ninjas and samurai. I'm not one of them, but they're out there.
05:14:43 <Yiroep> The elven thing is inexcusable, though.
05:15:04 <andrey> kantanas are underpowered in d20.txt
05:15:20 <Yiroep> Has nothing to do with that.
05:15:26 <Yiroep> A lot of people flavor-ban things.
05:16:42 <andrey> but there are no good offensive second-level fire spells
05:18:23 <Yiroep> Scorching Ray?
05:20:47 <andrey> single target only
05:21:09 <Yiroep> There's a reason fireball is a level 3 spell -_-
05:22:17 <andrey> oh wait nvm
05:22:23 <andrey> I'll take PYROTECHNICS
05:22:27 <andrey> the best spell ever
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07:56:46 <Avatar> if Ant comes back on, can someone get him to put his character sheet somewhere
07:57:15 <Avatar> odie5533: same with you if you're keen to play
07:57:24 <Avatar> I don't know who the summoner is who signed up
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12:18:02 <Ant> I'm having trouble setting up CA, can anyone give me some tips, such as what server to use ect?
12:31:52 <Philderbeast> it work work till the game starts its weird liks that
12:35:17 <odie5533> Is the Hydra's Fang Incident from season 1?
12:38:05 <Philderbeast> 0 i think
12:38:18 <odie5533> 0 = before season 1?
12:38:22 <Philderbeast> yea
12:40:39 <odie5533> wow, cool site you guys have. I just registered
12:40:50 <odie5533> Is the site all custom coded?
13:56:32 <Damalon01> hey Odie5533 are you Tech55b?
13:56:46 <Damalon01> or Prethen maybe?
13:56:55 <odie5533> No
13:57:05 <Damalon01> okay thanks
14:16:59 <Ant> no i'm tech55b
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15:04:39 <Damalon01> aahhh
16:12:09 <andrey> would it be possible to ready an action and sidestep a charge?
16:20:45 <odie5533> DnD or PF?
16:21:43 <s_gmusic> I'm inclined to say yes, you can. Tell the GM "I ready an action to 5-foot move if I am charged at."
16:23:25 <s_gmusic> do you have a copy of the Core Rulebook, andrey?
16:23:45 <Avatar> yo
16:23:50 <s_gmusic> if so, go to page 203
16:23:53 <s_gmusic> hey avatar
16:24:10 <Avatar> you can ready a 5ft step when they try to charge you
16:24:32 <Avatar> the bigger issue is what's allowed after you 5ft step for them
16:24:51 <Avatar> I'm not sure if the charge rules say you have to proceed to that spot or if you can stop mid-charge
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16:25:07 <Avatar> I think they're stuck though
16:25:14 <Steven> totes stuck.
16:25:18 <s_gmusic> nice detail: "You can take a 5-foot step as part of your readied action, but only if you don't otherwise move any distance during the round."
16:25:21 <Avatar> if they move to attack you it's a different story again
16:25:21 <Steven> what we talkin bout?
16:25:48 <Avatar> <andrey> would it be possible to ready an action and sidestep a charge?
16:26:03 <s_gmusic> so, if I'm reading it right, you can ready an attack against someone that charges you, when they charge, you 5ft to the side and get to make your readied attack
16:26:20 <Steven> sure you could ready to five foot and attack
16:26:31 <Avatar> yeah sounds right
16:26:35 <andrey> can you AOO+attack?
16:26:38 <andrey> as ready action
16:26:51 <Steven> if they provoke an AoO yes.
16:27:23 <Steven> like if they have a reach weapon
16:28:17 <s_gmusic> so it would work as I said above, and if you 5ft move to where they travel through your threatened area, you get an AoO, too. nice. you get to prepare and make an attack, avoid an attack, and get another attack.
16:28:33 <Steven> i dont know how you could avoid the attack
16:28:34 <odie5533> andrey: you'd also want to Ready your Weapon against a Charge since it does double damage if they charge.
16:28:53 <Steven> bracing is a separate action
16:29:36 <Steven> charging is you move up to double your speed and then at the end of the charge make a melee attack.
16:29:52 <Steven> so if you are still within their threatened area they can make an attack against you.
16:30:19 <odie5533> Does an AOO occur before or after the charge finishes the attack?
16:30:32 <Steven> the only way you could get out of getting attacked would be to move outside double their move speed.
16:31:20 <Steven> An AoO is resolved at the time it provokes.
16:31:55 <Steven> so if it provokes from movement, you resolve the AoO and then they continue their action.
16:32:47 <odie5533> ok
16:33:04 <Steven> there are a few things that modify that, but those specify how to resolve them.
16:37:38 <Steven> any other questions?
16:37:44 <Avatar> s_gmusic: something about your example suggests that you're not considering the area
16:38:22 <Avatar> if they're moving to charge you, and you 5ft step out of the way, how are you going to provoke as well as get an attack
16:38:29 <Avatar> and not get hit
16:41:15 <andrey> you step diagonally up?
16:41:26 <andrey> forwards and to the side
16:42:19 <Steven> that does not negate the attack
16:42:32 <andrey> which one?
16:42:36 <andrey> there's 2
16:42:46 <andrey> the aoo and readied attack?
16:43:16 <Steven> if you are still within a threatened area by the creature
16:43:29 <Steven> the creature can make an attack on you.
16:43:50 <andrey> so I can charge around corners?
16:44:02 <andrey> for one space
16:44:26 <Steven> no
16:44:35 <Steven> not without wheeling charge.
16:45:18 <Steven> okay, so when you initiate a charge
16:45:25 <andrey> you pick a straight line
16:45:32 <Steven> you must have line of sight to the target
16:45:39 <andrey> ok
16:45:52 <Steven> you must move to the closest square to the target
16:45:55 <andrey> but if target takes 5-foot step around corner, then i can still hit them?
16:46:04 <Steven> without anything slowing or hindering your target
16:46:17 <Steven> movement to the target
16:47:02 <Steven> at the end of the movement you make one attack against the target if it is in your reach
16:47:42 <Steven> if your target readies to 5ft step around a corner it will not stop the attack so long as the target is within reach.
16:47:52 <Steven> of the attack
16:48:35 <andrey> ok good
16:49:18 <Steven> but the target stepping to a new square doesnt automatically break the charge
16:49:45 <Steven> in real life it probably would
16:49:55 <andrey> so effectively you charge around corners
16:49:58 <andrey> a tiny bit
16:50:19 <Steven> no
16:51:39 <Steven> charging around corners is not possible since you have to be able to see your target
16:52:00 <Steven> so if something has total cover you cannot charge it.
16:52:06 <andrey> imagine this: you start your charge with LOS to target, but target steps around corner
16:52:19 <andrey> so you get to the original target space and there he is!
16:52:23 <andrey> so you poke him anyway
16:53:25 <Steven> that is not charging around a corner, that is swinging a weapon around a corner... It would provide your target with cover giving him a +4 dodge bonus.
16:54:22 <andrey> ok thanks
16:54:26 <andrey> got it now
16:56:16 <Steven> anything else?
16:57:41 <Steven> i'm gonna go write up some stuff on paizo
16:59:03 <Steven> oh hey im supposed to make another Ifirit.
16:59:46 <Steven> level 3
17:02:06 <Steven> also, kinda annoyed im going to have to buy Inner Sea Gods
17:02:23 <odie5533> There's many Inner Sea books
17:02:32 <Steven> so i can continue to use Butterfly sting.
17:02:38 <odie5533> and I think some of them change existing stuff
17:02:43 <odie5533> yeah, like Butterfly sting
17:06:00 <Avatar> some people were talking about using butterfly's sting to pass the crit onto your next attack
17:06:09 <Avatar> as in if you have a second weapon that properly crits
17:06:25 <Avatar> so you could have a keen weapon doing 15-20 in one and a x4 in the other
17:06:36 <Avatar> not confident that's really legal
17:06:50 <Steven> it is legal.
17:07:50 <Avatar> is it though
17:07:57 <Steven> it is
17:08:01 <Avatar> passing the attack to your 'next ally'
17:08:10 <Avatar> I know you count as your own ally if it makes sense, but I'm not sure that does
17:08:53 <Steven> it is allowed.
17:09:24 <Avatar> you sound like you've heard confirmation from somewhere
17:16:53 <Steven> i hear lots of things.
17:17:09 <Avatar> mate I also hear lots of things
17:17:47 <Steven> did you hear the one about the guy who had a tall glass of ice tea.
17:17:47 <odie5533> me three
17:17:57 <Steven> He was pretty content.
17:20:57 <Steven> also... that guy... totally me.
17:35:05 <Mekkis> Avatar, seriously, I don't have a problem with that
17:35:10 <Mekkis> oh
17:35:15 <Mekkis> to your own next attack?
17:35:23 <Mekkis> that's a little cheddery
17:36:35 <Steven> just the way i like it!
17:36:57 <Avatar> yeah
17:37:08 <Avatar> what did you think I meant
17:41:45 <Steven> i dont think its any worse then passing the crit off to a barbarian.
17:42:49 <Steven> if someone wants to two weapon fight with keen rapier/whatever and a light pick i just doubt they are going to do as much as passing it to a barbarian.
17:42:54 <Avatar> it's not the way the feat was meant to work
17:44:05 <Steven> there are quite a few feats that dont work the way the design team imagined they were going to work.
17:45:14 <Steven> but just because they didnt mean for them to work in a way doesnt mean they dont work that way.
17:45:20 <s_gmusic> Welcome to the Jank.
17:45:38 <s_gmusic> hoping my copies of Inner Sea Gods and Inner Sea Combat come in today. :3
17:45:50 <Steven> i didnt order them.
17:46:40 <Steven> I'm going to wait till paizocon and pick them up
17:46:47 <Steven> with credit.
17:53:22 <Ant> hey Avatar
17:53:45 <s_gmusic> how's that, steven?
17:54:32 <Avatar> ant did you sign up to that game
17:54:37 <Ant> Yes
17:54:39 <Avatar> I'm not sure if you're tech55 or whatever it was
17:54:48 <Ant> Yeah i'm techh55b
17:55:00 <Avatar> where's your character sheet
17:55:07 <Avatar> or are you using a level 4 pregen
17:55:14 <Ant> I just finished uploading it today
17:55:21 <Ant> nah was going to use level 1 summoner
17:55:42 <Avatar> alright sweet
17:55:51 <Avatar> just be aware that it looks like it might be a 4-5 game
17:56:03 <Ant> ah really?
17:56:10 <Avatar> yeah, a 4 pregen might be better
17:56:19 <Avatar> you can put the credit on your summoner
17:56:22 <Ant> can i still apply xp to my ummoner?
17:56:26 <Ant> ok cool
17:57:20 <Ant> do you have a lvl 4 pregen i can use, or whre can i get one?
17:57:42 <Steven> back. at paizocon i'll be running 7 tables i think
17:57:57 <Steven> i'll get 70 dollars in store credit for doing this
17:58:08 <Steven> so i should have enough to pick up the book then.
17:58:49 <Avatar> http://paizo.com/pathfinderSociety/playerResources right hand side
17:59:04 <Ant> ok i'll check it out thanks
17:59:32 <Avatar> I'm not sure if your gold might get reduced
17:59:40 <Ant> any preference for party make up, or should i just play what i feel like
17:59:55 <Ant> yeah thats fine if the gold gets reduced
18:00:07 <Philderbeast> if he applies to a lvl 1 it will
18:00:27 <Avatar> so 500gp then if you apply it straight away
18:00:37 <Avatar> or you can apply it at level 4 for full credit
18:00:55 <Ant> ok noted
18:01:01 <Ant> also just checking timezone
18:01:08 <Ant> i'm in adelaide
18:01:21 <Ant> UTC + 9.5
18:02:02 <Philderbeast> 30 mines earler then
18:02:23 <Ant> ok so 9am my time for tomorrow's game
18:03:49 <Avatar> yep
18:03:52 <Avatar> do you have skype and CA
18:03:57 <Ant> yes
18:04:04 <Avatar> what's your username on skype
18:04:12 <Ant> although i dont know how to use CA
18:04:20 <Avatar> you don't need to
18:05:54 <Ant> ok
18:06:20 <Ant> whats your skype user name i'll add you
18:10:54 <Steven> seriously gotta finish building this thing.
18:19:09 <s_gmusic> what thing?
18:19:18 <Steven> 3rd level ifirit.
18:19:31 <Philderbeast> class?
18:19:41 <Avatar> do you want an ifrit boon
18:19:49 <Steven> undetermined, i've built him several times.
18:21:19 <Avatar> if anyone has an extra traits boon and wants an ifrit instead, yell out
18:26:27 <Steven> thinking i'm going to name this guy Bolgar, Witch Killer.
18:27:49 <Steven> maybe a ranger.
18:31:25 <Steven> boom got it.
18:31:37 <Steven> gonna tie it in with my other character
18:37:15 <Steven> He is Bolgar, Witch Killer. Father and protector to the orphan child Mirrashylora(my alchemist/Master Chymist)
18:40:39 <Steven> he will be Witchguard
18:42:27 <Steven> he killed the witch he was meant to protect while they were performing horrible experiments on Mirrashylora
18:44:17 <Steven> yeah... this feels right.
19:03:18 <Mekkis> regarding butterfly sting, would you have an issue if you had the rapier in your offhand, but made the offhane attacks first?
19:03:57 <Steven> not me.
19:04:38 <Mekkis> is that even allowed?
19:04:59 <Steven> so long as they dont wish to make their off hand first iterative, then offhand second iterative before making their primary attacks
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19:06:09 <Steven> people usually make Primary attacks before secondary attacks and at the highest BaB down to the lowest BaB.
19:06:15 <Steven> at least at our shop.
19:07:07 <Mekkis> what about: drop the rapier, quick draw heavy pick, continue attacks?
19:07:38 <Steven> so like a two weapon fighter goes main hand first iterative, off hand first iterative, main hand second iterative, off hand second iterative, Natural attack
19:08:17 <Steven> I dont have a problem with it at all. If somebody has specialized their build to do things like that then go for it.
19:09:43 <Steven> if they are doing the two weapon route with butterfly sting
19:10:05 <Steven> that requires them to have a 15 dex, a 13 int, and 3 feats invested.
19:11:06 <Steven> and its no more powerful than a barbarian being enlarged and hitting for 4d6+20 like they do.
19:12:14 <Steven> if they go with a two handed weapon and quick draw, well it wont take off till level 6 with a full bab character.
19:13:19 <Steven> and it is still going to be just as powerful as a barbarian taking two attacks.
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20:27:35 <Steven> so what combat style should i choose
20:27:58 <Steven> for a person who killed a witch, and stole the child they were experimenting on.
20:32:18 <Steven> im thinking of going crossbow... just cause nobody ever goes crossbow
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