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16:32 Topic Is: It's a complete mystery what the shooter's motivations were, now that he is dead there is simply no way of knowing what his aims were: https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--3b1kF3Pt--/c_scale,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/bhl2wulgt8cfbekbt5y3.png
16:32 Set By: (Tigger_) on: Sat Jul 09 07:37:30 2016
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42:23 <Warren1984> hi all
42:37 <Tigger_> hello Warren1984
42:44 <Warren1984> hi Tigger_
43:39 <Warren1984> Tigger_ the Japanese invented a stinker sharpener
43:46 <Warren1984> I'll see if I can find it
47:15 <Tigger_> Australia's military expenditure is nearly twice that of Canada's, and they have more people than us
47:20 <Warren1984> https://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&site=imghp&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1920&bih=971&q=japanese+kinky+sharpener&oq=japanese+kinky+sharpener&gs_l=img.3...1465.7199.0.7403.24.12.0.11.0.0.490.2419.3-2j4.6.0....0...1ac.1.64.img..7.5.2000...0.Qc_rwxm-mPI#imgrc=4zn_BjLpjYaiUM%3A
50:03 <Tigger_> http://news.nationalpost.com/full-comment/matthew-fisher-australia-commits-to-military-spending-spree-while-canada-dithers
50:49 <Tigger_> Tony Abbott’s government has embarked on an unprecedented peacetime military spending spree that is stunning when compared to how little Canada is spending on its army, air force and navy.
50:52 <Warren1984> the thing I find with these Japanese inventions is they are highly creative and intelligent but not really practical
50:52 <Tigger_> Australia will allocate more than $30-billion to its armed forces next year. Canada will likely spend less than $20-billion in 2015.
50:55 <Tigger_> Australia already expends 1.7% of gross domestic product on its armed forces, with a NATO-like goal of 2% by 2023. Canada’s military spending will likely dip just below 1% of GDP next year.
52:39 <Tigger_> http://www.hongkiat.com/blog/useless-japanese-inventions/
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58:58 <Tigger_> `topic Berniebros and girls start making the switch to Trump: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOzLkNpgPTw | It's a complete mystery what the shooter's motivations were: https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--3b1kF3Pt--/c_scale,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/bhl2wulgt8cfbekbt5y3.png
59:03 <BlackDevil> Youtube: Why I, a Bernie supporter, prefer Trump to Hillary Clinton (Jun 26, 2016) Length: 6:14 - Category: Entertainment - 45,436 views views - 632 likes (88.9%), 79 dislikes (11.1%)
12:09 <Tigger_> what Hillary just posted: https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/751581882404384768
12:12 <Tigger_> White Americans need to do a better job of listening when African Americans talk about the barriers they face.
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26:34 <Warren1984> Tigger_ is structure a key to survival?
29:46 <Tigger_> what are the arguments for and against this proposition?
30:13 <Warren1984> well most people want security and most would say money gives them security
30:24 <Warren1984> esp women they want security from a man
32:34 <Warren1984> see you need financial security for a woman
32:40 <Warren1984> but it has to be reasonable
32:59 <Warren1984> If she expects you to earn a large wage, then it's not reasonable
33:08 <Warren1984> and it's not unconditional
33:24 <Tigger_> but what has this got to do with structure being a key to survival?
35:20 <Warren1984> ok then I am wrong
35:34 <Warren1984> you can survive without structure, but it makes life much harder
36:29 <Tigger_> how does it make it harder?
36:54 <Warren1984> well how do you accomplish things without structure?
39:12 <Tigger_> so you don't actually know how that could be done? so your question is rhetorical, as you simply can't imagine how survival is possible without structure
42:12 <Warren1984> ok survival is possible without structure but how can you achieve much?
42:20 <Warren1984> and what about priorities
43:10 <Arbition> Structure is being used too nebulously. You should define exactly what is being structured before stating this.
43:18 <Tigger_> hello Arbition
43:28 <Arbition> afternoon Tigger_
43:42 <Warren1984> structuring your time
44:06 <Warren1984> because time is a priority system that stops everything from happening all at once
44:52 <Warren1984> you could say I know I need to this and that and 30 other things today, but what is of higher importance, medium and low importance
45:12 <Arbition> One thing to understand is that people implicitly apply structure to time. Your question seems to be of the form explicit structure, to which the answer is, depends on the person. Some people have better implicit structuring (you might call it intuition if you wish) than others
47:25 <Warren1984> true Arbition
49:03 <Arbition> Hmm, 32 cents per GB SSD
49:06 <Tigger_> there is also structuring resource allocation
49:14 <Tigger_> which model is this?
49:26 <Arbition> It is a general logistics problem, Time is a resource like most anything
49:38 <Arbition> at the very lowest end, Kingston UV400
49:51 <Tigger_> avoid Kingston
49:52 <Arbition> the 240 and 480 models from MSY
50:08 <Arbition> Because of their bait and switch?
50:14 <Tigger_> they do the notorious bait and switch
50:17 <Tigger_> yes
50:22 <Arbition> yes I am aware of it
51:05 <Tigger_> how much is their 240Gb model now?
52:05 <Arbition> 79AUD
52:40 <Tigger_> this machine has a 250Gb Crucial BX100 that I paid $109, with free delivery
53:09 <Tigger_> at the time the Samsungs and Intels were closer to $200
53:52 <Warren1984> Arbition do you place much value on traditional goals such as popularity and security?
55:00 <Arbition> not really
55:28 <Arbition> well security sort of
55:31 <Arbition> popularity no
56:13 <Warren1984> what do you consider to be security?
56:49 <Arbition> Freedom from stress mostly
57:03 <Warren1984> what about money?
57:12 <Arbition> money is a vehicle
59:38 <Tigger_> the thing that stresses me most today: Torx screws
00:40 <Warren1984> my motivation is -> to survive, be safe/secure
01:14 <Tigger_> I'd sell my soul to live in a world without Torx screws
03:53 <Tigger_> as for popularity, does irc popularity count?
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11:32 <Tigger_> ok, my RED drives are now properly mounted in the server, in the proper drive cage, they were just sitting in there loosely till now
11:34 <Tigger_> hi Tim-Sim
12:01 <Tim-Sim> hello Tigger_
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24:46 <Tigger_> I have a concern I hope someone has some ideas about
25:39 <Tigger_> when idle, one of my RED drives is making a clicking sound at regular intervals, when downloading the clicking rate increases
26:57 <grem> its fucked
27:43 <Tigger_> I hope not
31:53 <Warren1984> <@Tigger_> as for popularity, does irc popularity count? <- yes
32:54 <Tigger_> then I must aim to be the most popular person on irc
33:35 <Warren1984> you are are aren't you?
36:13 <DinduNuffin> Tigger_ is the most popular with girls on Austnet. The problem is, men outnumber girls on IRC by 100:1
36:35 <DinduNuffin> jen is the most popular with men, for obvious reasons
36:51 <Tigger_> then we must get more girls on
42:04 <Tigger_> WD have a disk diagnostics tool, I will run it after some downloads finish later
45:49 <Tim-Sim> DinduNuffin...
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08:49 <Arbition> well I bought one of the 480GB kingstons
08:52 <Arbition> doing benchmarking
08:59 <Arbition> it is in a USB enclosure though
09:16 <Arbition> writes are ~350MiB/s
09:33 <Arbition> still working out how I'm going to test IOPS
10:25 <Arbition> bought this USB enclosure because it is UASP, meaning it is a lower level system, rather than presenting a generic device
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11:20 <Tigger_> how much was the 480?
11:39 <Arbition> AUD158
11:46 <Tigger_> not bad
11:47 <Arbition> which is exactly double that of the 240
14:53 <Tigger_> Arbition, what would you think about a WD RED drive making a constant clicking sound when idle, then the click rate increases while downloading?
15:14 <Arbition> it is a mechanical system, clicking isn't the sinister sound it used to be
15:21 <Arbition> it is practically no indication these days
15:59 <Tigger_> hmmm, so if it's not faulty, then what causes it?
16:59 <Arbition> presumably the head hitting an endstop
17:46 <Tigger_> I don't know what that is, can it be prevented?
17:57 <Arbition> no not really
18:29 <Tigger_> do any of your REDs do it?
18:42 <Arbition> I don't have any
18:45 <Arbition> that might have been xm
19:05 <Tigger_> oh I thought you used 3Tb REDs for your server
19:10 <Arbition> no
19:13 <Arbition> I use cheap seagates
19:17 <Tigger_> ah ok
20:11 <Arbition> Hmm, I might have to try this sata native, this IOPS reading isn't very good
20:19 <Arbition> I'll have to go home for that
21:54 <Arbition> I also bought a very cheap fold up laptop fan thing
21:55 <Tigger_> what average number?
21:58 <Arbition> 3 dolla
22:46 <Tigger_> for the IOPS that is
22:49 <Arbition> idk here are the raw results https://dpaste.de/6co1
22:59 <Tim-Sim> I have given up eating.
23:06 <Arbition> If I am reading this correctly, 2826 write iops
23:14 <Arbition> keeping in mind though, this is going over USB
24:48 <Arbition> Ah, also it is random read and write at the same time
24:57 <Arbition> I'm trying random write only now
25:03 <Tigger_> reviews I read of the Kingstons said that in practice they were about twice as fast as a HDD
25:31 <Tigger_> general use that is, not IOPS
25:31 <Arbition> so far getting about 12000 write iops
26:42 <Arbition> write iops=11374
26:56 <Arbition> so next to try it on sata native
28:09 <Arbition> https://dpaste.de/8ioJ
28:14 <Arbition> So far its fairly promising
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28:33 <Arbition> maybe because it is relatively new, so they haven't done the switch yet
29:57 <Tigger_> with luck
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35:43 <doctor> Americas have more exciting problems than us. Australia is pathetric, just saw some safe schools thing on facebook and both sides have an eternal victim complex
35:52 <doctor> We need guns, that will harden us up a little
37:33 <Tigger_> the problem with safe schools is that it only teaches kids to whine, it doesn't teach them to fight
38:54 <Tigger_> they may as well call it crying lessons
39:34 <doctor> Yeah, I don't see much point to it. If a kid wants to change genders at school they should learn martial arts instead of embracing safe schools
40:12 <doctor> But this particular video was of some christian cuckservative who was crying because his daughter was told that christians were evil apparently
40:37 <doctor> I thought it was one of the most pathetic displays of manhood I had seen in a while
40:53 <doctor> Both sides are retarded - both should seek a middle ground
41:42 <Tigger_> the daughter could simply reply to the young New Atheists that they're doomed to be virgins for life
41:54 <Tigger_> and go back to My Little Pony
42:51 <Tigger_> ED articles should be school textbooks
43:16 <doctor> she probably did, according to how I remember how we resolved conflicts during school. But nope, it always has to be about the parents and how they feel, rather than how their kid actually feels
44:12 <Tigger_> how Nigel Farage handled his opponents in school: http://www.channel4.com/news/nigel-farage-ukip-letter-school-concerns-racism-fascism
45:17 <doctor> lol, weren't we all?
45:46 <Tigger_> a healthy, well adjusted young fellow, well prepared for the challenges of life
47:00 <doctor> Kids will remain that way, it's the adults who like to skew it all for political points
47:28 <doctor> plus Hitler wasn't a fascist, the left need to get that right
48:29 <Tigger_> what was he?
35:33 Topic Is: Berniebros and girls start making the switch to Trump: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOzLkNpgPTw | It's a complete mystery what the shooter's motivations were: https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--3b1kF3Pt--/c_scale,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/bhl2wulgt8cfbekbt5y3.png
35:33 Set By: (Tigger_) on: Sat Jul 09 10:58:33 2016
35:51 <Arbition> do you have an installation DVD?
36:00 <IvanTheBastard> only for win7 ultimate
36:05 <Arbition> oh
36:16 <IvanTheBastard> so ill have to do the win7 port
36:17 <Tigger_> hi ivan
36:18 <Arbition> have you already upgraded that licence?
36:23 <Tigger_> so everyone is buying SSDs today
36:46 <Arbition> idk I thnk microsoft has a thing for getting an install image for upgraded installs maybe?
36:56 <Arbition> its been a bit strange with W10
37:03 <IvanTheBastard> well yes and no arb
37:24 <IvanTheBastard> it was a version of win7 that didnt need a license
37:37 <Arbition> laptop?
38:02 <IvanTheBastard> it was a commercial instaler i got from a mate
38:11 <Arbition> oh so its already illegit then
38:17 <IvanTheBastard> yeah
38:22 <IvanTheBastard> ive upgraded it already to win10
38:23 <Arbition> meh doesn't really matter then
38:28 <IvanTheBastard> but its on my old hdd
38:39 <IvanTheBastard> this is slow as shit i wanna get on that SSD heh
38:41 <Arbition> I think you have a couple more days until the W10 upgrade offer is finished
38:56 <Arbition> so yeah fresh install 7 onto it then run the upgrade I say
39:10 <Arbition> less hassle
39:12 <IvanTheBastard> Tigger_ - i bought mine a couple days ago but now trying to get my head around the upgrade
39:35 <Tigger_> till the end of the month
39:48 <Arbition> I have one legit windows licence, the one on my laptop
39:53 <Tigger_> it's supposed to be automatic once you have Win7/8 installed isn't it?
40:11 <Arbition> afaik no its not supposed to do with with your approval, but reports have been some people got it anyway
40:12 <Tigger_> you can't transfer that license to any other machine
40:27 <Arbition> well its an OEM licence so thats not new anyway
40:37 <Tigger_> but yes, you could get bend the rules a bit
41:19 <IvanTheBastard> i think they want to get everyone on win10 so they can get the micro transactions pumping
41:42 <IvanTheBastard> going for more the apple model, where you pay thru the teeth to use windows apps and shit like that
41:54 <Tigger_> I suspect one long term goal is to turn everyone into a renter of Windows rather than a buyer
42:03 <IvanTheBastard> yeah that too, totes
42:21 <Arbition> oh yeah windows 10 will be the last discete windows release
42:28 <Arbition> they're moving to a sort of rolling release
43:01 <Arbition> which is also mac style
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43:49 <Tigger_> Apple doesn't seem to charge for its OS updates that I've seen, since they see themselves as a hardware company
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45:15 <Tigger_> I expect that Windows will end up being like their MS Office subscription
48:19 <IvanTheBastard> yeah im thinking something similar, either way some sort of residual payment mechanism
48:25 <IvanTheBastard> or pay as you go type deal
48:45 <IvanTheBastard> scale back on the offering of the OS but make people pay for apps
52:03 <Tigger_> I'm ok with the OS being free, and a price tag on MS Paint
52:42 <Tigger_> The test then surprises the quiz taker by throwing out a completely different question: 'Name one city in the USA.'
52:42 <Tigger_> So what did you say?
52:42 <Tigger_> According to the creators of the quiz, 92 per cent of people answer New York under pressure.
52:42 <Tigger_> But if you're one of the few people that named a different city, it shows you've got a creative and innovative mind.
52:43 <Tigger_> Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3681369/It-s-game-phones-Hidden-mobile-carpet-driving-internet-crazy-spot-is.html#ixzz4Dt730lBQ
52:46 <Tigger_> Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook
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59:42 <Tigger_> https://i.sli.mg/ZvAoo1.jpg
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04:55 <President_Trump> loolllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll
06:37 <Tigger_> morning President_Trump
08:42 <Tigger_> #blacklivesmatter copycat shootings have begun: http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/ballwin-officer-fighting-for-his-life-after-shooting-suspect-charged/article_2def1b64-a632-5ea7-b5f0-031f4dd1bce3.html
09:04 <Tigger_> http://www.wowt.com/content/news/386065981.html
09:24 <Tigger_> http://www.cbsnews.com/news/cops-tennessee-shooter-targeted-white-victims-similar-to-dallas-ambush/
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11:22 <President_Trump> obama will make another speech soon about how hard it is being a black man
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11:48 <Tigger_> that's Hillary's job now
11:57 <Tigger_> she's been tweeting exactly that today
12:16 <Tigger_> Hillary Clinton ‏@HillaryClinton 5h5 hours ago
12:16 <Tigger_> White Americans need to do a better job of listening when African Americans talk about the barriers they face.
13:15 <Tigger_> Hillary Clinton ‏@HillaryClinton 8h8 hours ago
13:16 <Tigger_> There is clear evidence that black Americans are more likely to be killed in police incidents than any other group. We have to do better.
13:31 <Tigger_> Hillary Clinton ‏@HillaryClinton 8h8 hours ago
13:31 <Tigger_> Alton and Philando's deaths are the latest in a long, painful litany of African Americans killed in police incidents—123 so far this year.
13:44 <Tigger_> Hillary Clinton ‏@HillaryClinton 8h8 hours ago
13:45 <Tigger_> "I will bring law enforcement and communities together to develop national guidelines on the use of force by police officers." —Hillary
14:17 <President_Trump> the only thing hillary has going for her is she cant be worse than obama
14:22 <Tigger_> it has been a great day for letting them eat cake
14:47 <Tigger_> I don't think even Obama is this insanely stupid and out of touch though
14:59 <President_Trump> trump needs to do an essay style facebook post 'what is a bigger threat to america? isis or niggers?'
16:09 <Tigger_> he should say "I have nothing against the many good niggers out there."
18:04 <Tigger_> "We love niggers don't we folks"
18:32 <President_Trump> it is amazingly good timing for hillary these shootings happened right when her email thing was happening
18:42 <Warren1984> Tigger_ it's hailing here
18:56 <Tigger_> don't stand near the windows then
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36:06 <xm> Tigger_: your thoughts on Australia's intervention in East Timor?
36:52 <Tigger_> remarkable ingratitude from those we put in power, followed by complete incompetence at every level
37:18 <xm> so intervened for no good reason?
37:36 <xm> that is they cant even govern themselves well?
37:38 <Tigger_> East Timor selected the US$ to be their national currency rather than AU$, as an example
37:44 <xm> i see
38:49 <Tigger_> then because they're a bunch of socialists, they focused on trying to bend our arms for mineral resource rights, rather than sorting their house with regards to property rights on the island itself, because property rights are up in the air, nobody will invest in the country
39:43 <Tigger_> oh and within Australia the Catholic Church was pushing hard for the Australian intervention, perhaps the loudest single lobby
51:25 <xm> theyre in a worse position now than pre-intervention?
52:02 <DinduNuffin> East Timor (or what ever they call it these days) could be a bogan paradise
52:12 <xm> phenotypically they do look a bit different to the rest of the Indonesians
52:13 <DinduNuffin> Bali, without the bombings
52:45 <xm> yeah, i dont think they have many Muslims
54:40 <DinduNuffin> Just as Gaza could become the playground of Europe (beautiful beaches), but they seem more intent on blowing themselves up
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58:21 <Tigger_> East Timor could become the bogan holiday destination where you don't get executed for drug possession
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27:12 <doctor> heres some cool free games you guys can play while bored https://radiatoryang.itch.io/
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04:17 <Warren1984> hypothesis -> a supposition or proposed explanation made on the basis of limited evidence as a starting point for further investigation
05:05 <Warren1984> Arbition what is your current hypthesis?
06:39 <Warren1984> my hypothesis is to make money and get pussy, you need to be organized and use knowledge
08:25 <doctor> a hypothesis would be "Dropping a pen will cause it to fall" then the experiment would be carried out to try disproving it
09:40 <Warren1984> doctor do you ever work on any hypothesis?
09:43 <Warren1984> theories?
11:57 <doctor> For uni, yeah
12:45 <doctor> I have my core beliefs for daily life but they're pretty mutable it seems
14:36 <Warren1984> what do you mean by mutable?
15:15 <doctor> they change frequently
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27:39 <Warren1984> Tigger_ is hee haw a poofter horse?
29:17 <doctor> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s05jcrJw0as
29:21 <BlackDevil> Youtube: Boy's Don't Cry - I Wanna Be A Cowboy (Oct 25, 2007) Length: 3:38 - Category: Music - 1,877,632 views views - 7,646 likes (96.8%), 252 dislikes (3.2%)
29:51 <doctor> Tigger and Clip Clops song
31:13 <Warren1984> doctor this is what clip clop does to Tigger_ -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYVZsV_dwyQ
31:18 <BlackDevil> Youtube: Family Guy Horse licking ass (Nov 22, 2014) Length: 1:57 - Category: People & Blogs - 114,225 views views - 245 likes (86.3%), 39 dislikes (13.7%)
33:10 <Warren1984> doctor -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rN0i3FqopV0
33:12 <doctor> lol, possibly
33:14 <BlackDevil> Youtube: Lick a Horse's Asshole (Dec 15, 2013) Length: 2:53 - Category: Music - 5,210 views views - 11 likes (84.6%), 2 dislikes (15.4%)
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