// #politicaldebate — 2016-03-15
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00:00:00 <circle> https://scontent-hkg3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/12510381_485182718321303_7320205858482750766_n.jpg?oh=4fe4a6515024b0350b6634c35abd44ea&oe=57887741
00:00:00 <circle> she went to NY
00:00:37 <circle> https://scontent-hkg3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/12510381_485182718321303_7320205858482750766_n.jpg?oh=4fe4a6515024b0350b6634c35abd44ea&oe=57887741
00:00:39 <circle> she went to NY
00:02:00 <Tigger_> probably to try and meet Donald Trump
00:02:00 <President_Trump> probably went there just so she could take selfies in front of trump towers
00:02:00 <circle> lol
00:02:12 <Tigger_> probably to try and meet Donald Trump
00:02:58 <President_Trump> probably went there just so she could take selfies in front of trump towers
00:03:04 <circle> lol
00:05:00 <Tigger_> http://i.imgur.com/vuXR1vr.jpg
00:05:10 <Tigger_> http://i.imgur.com/vuXR1vr.jpg
00:07:00 <circle> i wish i could find a clip
00:07:00 <circle> i used to have
00:07:00 <circle> people being interviewed about white aus
00:07:00 <circle> i know there's 1 but it's cut
00:07:00 <President_Trump> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGg9jKs6KdA
00:07:00 <BlackDevil> Youtube: Protester charged the stage at Donald Trump's Rally. Diamond and Silk have Something to Say (Mar 12, 2016) Length: 1:01 - Category: News & Politics - 39,875 views - 1,767 likes (93.3%), 126 dislikes (6.7%)
00:07:10 <circle> i wish i could find a clip
00:07:11 <circle> i used to have
00:07:15 <circle> people being interviewed about white aus
00:07:19 <circle> i know there's 1 but it's cut
00:07:21 <President_Trump> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGg9jKs6KdA
00:07:25 <BlackDevil> Youtube: Protester charged the stage at Donald Trump's Rally. Diamond and Silk have Something to Say (Mar 12, 2016) Length: 1:01 - Category: News & Politics - 39,875 views - 1,767 likes (93.3%), 126 dislikes (6.7%)
00:09:00 <Tigger_> a pair of black ladies talk more sense than Cruz
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00:09:33 <Tigger_> a pair of black ladies talk more sense than Cruz
00:10:00 <Tigger_> a journalist needs to ask Cruz why he didn't defend Trump's first amendment right to free speech
00:10:23 <Tigger_> a journalist needs to ask Cruz why he didn't defend Trump's first amendment right to free speech
00:11:00 <President_Trump> cruz is a fraud
00:11:46 <President_Trump> cruz is a fraud
00:13:00 <circle> arthur calwell man
00:13:00 <circle> gotta be the greatest ever aussie
00:13:00 <circle> in my view at least
00:13:54 <circle> arthur calwell man
00:13:58 <circle> gotta be the greatest ever aussie
00:14:00 <circle> in my view at least
00:15:00 <Tigger_> the last good Labor leader
00:16:00 <circle> yep
00:16:03 <Tigger_> the last good Labor leader
00:16:33 <circle> yep
00:19:00 <President_Trump> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gI9MCvK2MGs
00:19:00 <BlackDevil> Youtube: Black Trump Supporter Accosted by Black Lives Matter Protesters (Mar 12, 2016) Length: 8:23 - Category: People & Blogs - 552,460 views - 7,583 likes (96.9%), 246 dislikes (3.1%)
00:19:38 <President_Trump> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gI9MCvK2MGs
00:19:42 <BlackDevil> Youtube: Black Trump Supporter Accosted by Black Lives Matter Protesters (Mar 12, 2016) Length: 8:23 - Category: People & Blogs - 552,460 views - 7,583 likes (96.9%), 246 dislikes (3.1%)
00:21:00 <circle> Tigger_:
00:21:00 <circle> watch this
00:21:00 <circle> about 1 min of this
00:21:00 <circle> u will like it
00:21:00 <circle> https://youtu.be/uPfJRetYP04?t=1174
00:21:00 <BlackDevil> Youtube: Admission Impossible (Mar 25, 2015) Length: 54:23 - Category: Film & Animation - 2,748 views - 31 likes (96.9%), 1 dislikes (3.1%)
00:21:00 <circle> from the time i linked
00:21:17 <circle> Tigger_:
00:21:19 <circle> watch this
00:21:25 <circle> about 1 min of this
00:21:30 <circle> u will like it
00:21:40 <circle> https://youtu.be/uPfJRetYP04?t=1174
00:21:44 <BlackDevil> Youtube: Admission Impossible (Mar 25, 2015) Length: 54:23 - Category: Film & Animation - 2,748 views - 31 likes (96.9%), 1 dislikes (3.1%)
00:21:45 <circle> from the time i linked
00:22:00 <President_Trump> rofl this nigger 'donald trump doesnt even support whites'
00:22:00 <Tigger_> http://christiantimesnewspaper.com/breaking-black-trump-supporter-shot-and-killed-by-chicago-protesters/
00:22:15 <President_Trump> rofl this nigger 'donald trump doesnt even support whites'
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00:22:33 <Tigger_> http://christiantimesnewspaper.com/breaking-black-trump-supporter-shot-and-killed-by-chicago-protesters/
00:23:00 <Tigger_> “Rob was a black man, but he supported Trump because he got tired of Democrats saying his race was the thing holding him back,” Bullock’s friend told CTN.
00:23:00 <Tigger_> “[Rob] lost his job because of Obamacare. He lost his brother to black-on-black gang violence. Now he lost his life because he believed in a white man. His race didn’t have a damn thing to do with what held him back.”
00:23:14 <Tigger_> “Rob was a black man, but he supported Trump because he got tired of Democrats saying his race was the thing holding him back,” Bullock’s friend told CTN.
00:23:14 <Tigger_> “[Rob] lost his job because of Obamacare. He lost his brother to black-on-black gang violence. Now he lost his life because he believed in a white man. His race didn’t have a damn thing to do with what held him back.”
00:24:00 <President_Trump> that story wont make the mainstream media
00:24:00 <Tigger_> circle, that's because Australia doesn't want non-Aryan jews
00:24:32 <President_Trump> that story wont make the mainstream media
00:25:00 <circle> "of the 117k displaced persons australia took, only 500 were jewish"
00:25:00 <circle> you should watch the whole thing
00:25:00 <circle> the first boat we took consisted of like 50% jews and there was mass public outrage
00:25:00 <Tigger_> only white jews
00:25:00 <circle> we saw their dark hair, their brown skin, and we got angry
00:25:00 <circle> calwell arranged the next boat to be 100% aryan whites
00:25:00 <circle> who were fucking beautiful
00:25:00 <circle> sparkling germanic specimens
00:25:04 <Tigger_> circle, that's because Australia doesn't want non-Aryan jews
00:25:19 <circle> "of the 117k displaced persons australia took, only 500 were jewish"
00:25:22 <circle> you should watch the whole thing
00:25:30 <circle> the first boat we took consisted of like 50% jews and there was mass public outrage
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00:25:33 <Tigger_> only white jews
00:25:38 <circle> we saw their dark hair, their brown skin, and we got angry
00:25:45 <circle> calwell arranged the next boat to be 100% aryan whites
00:25:49 <circle> who were fucking beautiful
00:25:55 <circle> sparkling germanic specimens
00:26:00 <Tigger_> unfortunately nothing was done about keeping Catholics out
00:26:00 <circle> nobody cared about that
00:26:00 <circle> we hated jews
00:26:00 <circle> we wanted germans, brits, nordics
00:26:00 <Tigger_> what's the point if they're not Protestant?
00:26:00 <President_Trump> australia is the perfect place for a great white settlement
00:26:07 <Tigger_> unfortunately nothing was done about keeping Catholics out
00:26:25 <circle> nobody cared about that
00:26:26 <circle> we hated jews
00:26:31 <circle> we wanted germans, brits, nordics
00:26:43 <Tigger_> what's the point if they're not Protestant?
00:26:58 <President_Trump> australia is the perfect place for a great white settlement
00:27:00 <President_Trump> no one can run across a border
00:27:00 <Tigger_> Protestants are loyal to the nation, unlike Catholics whose primary allegiance is to the alien pope
00:27:00 <circle> yep
00:27:09 <President_Trump> no one can run across a border
00:27:32 <Tigger_> Protestants are loyal to the nation, unlike Catholics whose primary allegiance is to the alien pope
00:27:33 <circle> yep
00:28:00 <Tigger_> it is impossible for a devout Catholic to be an Australian patriot, at best they can just be a nominal Catholic that doesn't take the dictates of the church too seriously
00:28:53 <Tigger_> it is impossible for a devout Catholic to be an Australian patriot, at best they can just be a nominal Catholic that doesn't take the dictates of the church too seriously
00:30:00 <circle> http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-02-24/alice-springs-rapist-bruce-impu-sentenced-to-18-years-prison/6249768
00:30:00 <Tigger_> NZ should be even more ideal as a white nation, except they're even more gung-ho about turning themselves into a third world nation
00:30:00 <circle> no, they have too many maoris
00:30:00 <circle> we crushed abos, but kiwis cam to an understanding with maoris
00:30:00 <circle> theyre gone
00:30:00 <President_Trump> abos are more passive
00:30:09 <circle> http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-02-24/alice-springs-rapist-bruce-impu-sentenced-to-18-years-prison/6249768
00:30:14 <Tigger_> NZ should be even more ideal as a white nation, except they're even more gung-ho about turning themselves into a third world nation
00:30:31 <circle> no, they have too many maoris
00:30:39 <circle> we crushed abos, but kiwis cam to an understanding with maoris
00:30:40 <circle> theyre gone
00:31:00 <circle> lol
00:31:00 <President_Trump> they are useless
00:31:00 <circle> they arent passive dude
00:31:00 <circle> only a person who has never been around abos would say that
00:31:00 <circle> they rob rape and kill
00:31:00 <circle> look at that link i jsut gave u
00:31:00 <Tigger_> when they're sober abos are quite introverted
00:31:00 <Tigger_> but that isn't often for a lot of abos
00:31:04 <President_Trump> abos are more passive
00:31:07 <circle> lol
00:31:07 <President_Trump> they are useless
00:31:11 <circle> they arent passive dude
00:31:19 <circle> only a person who has never been around abos would say that
00:31:22 <circle> they rob rape and kill
00:31:26 <circle> look at that link i jsut gave u
00:31:35 <Tigger_> when they're sober abos are quite introverted
00:31:47 <Tigger_> but that isn't often for a lot of abos
00:32:00 <President_Trump> a little bit of alcohol sends them mental
00:32:44 <President_Trump> a little bit of alcohol sends them mental
00:33:00 <Tigger_> NZ has a very weird history compared to Australia, such as nobody knows when or where white settlement began in NZ, in contrast to the daily documentation of Australia's settlement
00:33:13 <Tigger_> NZ has a very weird history compared to Australia, such as nobody knows when or where white settlement began in NZ, in contrast to the daily documentation of Australia's settlement
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00:35:00 <Tigger_> even the Viking settlements in Vinland are better documented
00:35:26 <Tigger_> even the Viking settlements in Vinland are better documented
00:38:00 <circle> ive never really looked into the history of nz
00:38:09 <circle> ive never really looked into the history of nz
00:39:00 <Marttin> where prom began his life
00:39:00 <Marttin> or moved there?
00:39:00 <Tigger_> prom was born in Australia, but lived there for a few years because his dad had a job there
00:39:20 <Marttin> where prom began his life
00:39:32 <Marttin> or moved there?
00:39:45 <Tigger_> prom was born in Australia, but lived there for a few years because his dad had a job there
00:40:00 <Tigger_> he saw his first UFO in NZ too
00:40:00 <circle> one shameful aspect of NZ is the high degree of interbreeding with maoris
00:40:00 <circle> many white kiwi women have fucked and married maori men
00:40:00 <circle> so ull find around 20% of kiwis are mixed
00:40:00 <Tigger_> and some fat maori girl accused him of sexual harassment
00:40:00 <circle> even if they look more or less white
00:40:22 <Tigger_> he saw his first UFO in NZ too
00:40:44 <circle> one shameful aspect of NZ is the high degree of interbreeding with maoris
00:40:50 <circle> many white kiwi women have fucked and married maori men
00:40:56 <circle> so ull find around 20% of kiwis are mixed
00:40:57 <Tigger_> and some fat maori girl accused him of sexual harassment
00:41:00 <Tigger_> they should do DNA tests on them to weed out the mixed
00:41:02 <circle> even if they look more or less white
00:41:27 <Tigger_> they should do DNA tests on them to weed out the mixed
00:42:00 <Tigger_> white NZ women are the sluttiest on Earth, highest rates of STDs
00:42:00 <Tigger_> and the only country where women have had more sex partners than men
00:42:26 <Tigger_> white NZ women are the sluttiest on Earth, highest rates of STDs
00:42:40 <Tigger_> and the only country where women have had more sex partners than men
00:49:00 <Tigger_> http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-03-11/wintons-mysterious-fishy-tale-amidst-soaking-rain-in-queensland/7239714
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00:49:37 <Tigger_> http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-03-11/wintons-mysterious-fishy-tale-amidst-soaking-rain-in-queensland/7239714
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00:54:00 <circle> they arent as slutty as australian women
00:54:31 <circle> they arent as slutty as australian women
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00:56:00 <Tigger_> http://christiantimesnewspaper.com/they-caught-the-guy-who-torched-a-mosque-in-texas-theres-just-one-little-problem/
00:56:00 <Tigger_> scroll down for his photo
00:56:31 <Tigger_> http://christiantimesnewspaper.com/they-caught-the-guy-who-torched-a-mosque-in-texas-theres-just-one-little-problem/
00:56:36 <Tigger_> scroll down for his photo
00:57:00 <President_Trump> they are burning them down to get the insurance money
00:57:00 <President_Trump> everyone knows that
00:57:00 <President_Trump> access crazy media
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00:57:47 <President_Trump> they are burning them down to get the insurance money
00:57:52 <President_Trump> everyone knows that
00:57:57 <President_Trump> access crazy media
00:58:00 <Tigger_> and to drum up donations, access to govt, grants from soft touch politicians, the benefits never end
00:58:41 <Tigger_> and to drum up donations, access to govt, grants from soft touch politicians, the benefits never end
00:59:00 <President_Trump> venk?
00:59:00 <President_Trump> someone changing hosts a lot
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00:59:41 <President_Trump> venk?
00:59:45 <President_Trump> someone changing hosts a lot
01:00:00 <President_Trump> or getting new ip
01:00:00 <President_Trump> shugenja reveal yourself
01:00:14 <President_Trump> or getting new ip
01:00:32 <President_Trump> shugenja reveal yourself
01:01:00 <DuckDodgers> whose that shugenja?
01:01:14 <DuckDodgers> whose that shugenja?
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01:02:00 <Tigger_> he's not venkman
01:02:00 <Tigger_> venkman was supposed to come on last night, he told me he would
01:02:31 <Tigger_> he's not venkman
01:02:48 <Tigger_> venkman was supposed to come on last night, he told me he would
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01:06:00 <President_Trump> good timing
01:06:00 <President_Trump> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftf-i5_qFpw
01:06:00 <President_Trump> awaiting the great man
01:06:00 <BlackDevil> Youtube: LIVE Stream: Donald Trump Rally in Hickory, NC at Lenoir-Rhyne University (3-14-16) (Date not found) Length: 0:00 - Category: News & Politics - /span views - 385 likes (95.1%), 20 dislikes (4.9%)
01:06:00 <President_Trump> there is a live chat
01:06:00 <President_Trump> its too fast to read
01:06:14 <President_Trump> good timing
01:06:15 <President_Trump> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftf-i5_qFpw
01:06:19 <President_Trump> awaiting the great man
01:06:20 <BlackDevil> Youtube: LIVE Stream: Donald Trump Rally in Hickory, NC at Lenoir-Rhyne University (3-14-16) (Date not found) Length: 0:00 - Category: News & Politics - /span views - 385 likes (95.1%), 20 dislikes (4.9%)
01:06:50 <President_Trump> there is a live chat
01:07:00 <Tigger_> http://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/22444/Kiwi-women-most-promiscuous-in-the-world
01:07:00 <Tigger_> Kiwi women are the most promiscuous in the world – right up there with Austrian blokes, a survey says.
01:07:00 <Tigger_> New Zealand women have an average of 20.4 sexual partners, according to a survey by condom-maker Durex.
01:07:00 <Tigger_> The global average was 7.3.
01:07:00 <Tigger_> Austrian men were sharing the love most (29.3 sexual partners), while Kiwi blokes were 11th down the men's list with an average of 16.8 – higher than the global average of 13.2.
01:07:00 <Tigger_> The Durex Sexual Wellbeing Global survey was compiled by the condom maker after questioning 26,000 people in 26 countries, including New Zealand.
01:07:00 <Tigger_> New Zealand was also unusual for being the only country where women have more sexual partners than their men.
01:07:00 <Tigger_> NZ women are also walking petri dishes of STDs
01:07:01 <President_Trump> its too fast to read
01:07:20 <Tigger_> http://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/22444/Kiwi-women-most-promiscuous-in-the-world
01:07:22 <Tigger_> Kiwi women are the most promiscuous in the world – right up there with Austrian blokes, a survey says.
01:07:22 <Tigger_> New Zealand women have an average of 20.4 sexual partners, according to a survey by condom-maker Durex.
01:07:22 <Tigger_> The global average was 7.3.
01:07:22 <Tigger_> Austrian men were sharing the love most (29.3 sexual partners), while Kiwi blokes were 11th down the men's list with an average of 16.8 – higher than the global average of 13.2.
01:07:24 <Tigger_> The Durex Sexual Wellbeing Global survey was compiled by the condom maker after questioning 26,000 people in 26 countries, including New Zealand.
01:07:27 <Tigger_> New Zealand was also unusual for being the only country where women have more sexual partners than their men.
01:08:00 <Tigger_> as other studies have shown
01:08:03 <Tigger_> NZ women are also walking petri dishes of STDs
01:08:14 <Tigger_> as other studies have shown
01:10:00 <President_Trump> do youtube pay you for numbers watching live broadcasts?
01:11:02 <President_Trump> do youtube pay you for numbers watching live broadcasts?
01:13:00 <Tigger_> I don't know
01:13:09 <Tigger_> I don't know
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01:17:00 <President_Trump> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cdg6fueUIAACyU4.jpg:large
01:17:00 <President_Trump> what the hell is that meant to mean
01:17:10 <President_Trump> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cdg6fueUIAACyU4.jpg:large
01:17:14 <President_Trump> what the hell is that meant to mean
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01:19:00 <Tigger_> Cruz (Mr. Constitution) attacking Trump's Second Amendment rights
01:19:00 <Tigger_> https://encyclopediadramatica.se/File:Trump_Tumblr.jpg
01:19:21 <Tigger_> Cruz (Mr. Constitution) attacking Trump's Second Amendment rights
01:19:50 <Tigger_> https://encyclopediadramatica.se/File:Trump_Tumblr.jpg
01:20:00 <President_Trump> is that real or fake?
01:20:00 <Tigger_> fake
01:20:00 <Tigger_> good idea though
01:20:27 <President_Trump> is that real or fake?
01:20:33 <Tigger_> fake
01:20:44 <Tigger_> good idea though
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01:21:00 <Tigger_> https://encyclopediadramatica.se/File:Marco_rubio_is_gay.jpg
01:21:24 <Tigger_> https://encyclopediadramatica.se/File:Marco_rubio_is_gay.jpg
01:22:00 <Tigger_> https://encyclopediadramatica.se/File:Furries_for_bernie.png
01:22:56 <Tigger_> https://encyclopediadramatica.se/File:Furries_for_bernie.png
01:26:00 <Tigger_> https://encyclopediadramatica.se/File:Hillary_Clinton_Heil.jpg
01:26:04 <Tigger_> https://encyclopediadramatica.se/File:Hillary_Clinton_Heil.jpg
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01:28:00 <Warren1984> Tigger_
01:28:00 <President_Trump> you can tell thats an old photo because there are people under 70 in the audience
01:28:10 <Warren1984> Tigger_
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01:29:03 <President_Trump> you can tell thats an old photo because there are people under 70 in the audience
01:30:00 <Tigger_> heh
01:30:43 <Tigger_> heh
01:32:00 <Tigger_> screenshot of the assassin's now deleted twitter: http://archive.is/sYDVL
01:32:22 <Tigger_> screenshot of the assassin's now deleted twitter: http://archive.is/sYDVL
01:33:00 <Marttin> https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJZyO3WfFfY
01:33:00 <BlackDevil> Youtube: 11-year-old Bernie Sanders volunteer makes phone bank calls (Mar 14, 2016) Length: 2:16 - Category: News & Politics - 31 views views - 4 likes (100%), 0 dislikes (0%)
01:33:55 <Marttin> https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJZyO3WfFfY
01:33:58 <BlackDevil> Youtube: 11-year-old Bernie Sanders volunteer makes phone bank calls (Mar 14, 2016) Length: 2:16 - Category: News & Politics - 31 views views - 4 likes (100%), 0 dislikes (0%)
01:36:00 <Tigger_> when Bernie is president he'll have small children working in the coal mines
01:36:14 <Tigger_> when Bernie is president he'll have small children working in the coal mines
01:46:00 <Marttin> heh, no coal under bernie's reign
01:46:50 <Marttin> heh, no coal under bernie's reign
01:48:00 <Tigger_> then small children will be made to run on a treadmill to generate no carbon emissions electricity
01:48:40 <Tigger_> then small children will be made to run on a treadmill to generate no carbon emissions electricity
01:49:00 <President_Trump> no hot water or heating is a small price to pay for no carbon emissions
01:49:32 <President_Trump> no hot water or heating is a small price to pay for no carbon emissions
01:50:00 <Tigger_> Vermont will be a paradise
01:50:16 <Tigger_> Vermont will be a paradise
01:52:00 <Marttin> XDDD
01:52:21 <Marttin> XDDD
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01:57:08 <Tigger_> they talk an awful lot about phone banking on the Bernie reddit page, I'd never heard of it before
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01:58:11 <AL> hi
01:58:22 <AL> made a song
01:58:31 <Tigger_> hello chris
01:58:34 <AL> https://youtu.be/gujdvqKeNlM
01:58:37 <BlackDevil> Youtube: SLANT 2016 techno trax music (Mar 14, 2016) Length: 2:33 - Category: Music - 3 views views - 0 likes (0%), 0 dislikes (0%)
01:58:38 <AL> its like jive organ playing
01:59:13 <Tigger_> wants Flash
01:59:24 <AL> dam
01:59:30 <AL> it youtubebut
01:59:41 <Tigger_> the HTML5 version doesn't start working for about half an hour later
01:59:58 <Tigger_> I don't know why that is
01:59:59 <AL> k
02:00:08 <Tigger_> but the Trump speeches are like that too
02:03:19 <AL> i made 5 songs
02:03:24 <AL> in 24 hours
02:03:47 <AL> lols
02:05:21 <Tigger_> maybe you should work on one song for a week
02:05:27 <AL> lols
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02:20:38 <AL> does this one work
02:20:39 <AL> https://youtu.be/O-98tH766HE
02:20:43 <BlackDevil> Youtube: MAXI MINI TECHNO 2016 MUSIC TRAX (Mar 14, 2016) Length: 2:46 - Category: Music - 1 view views - 0 likes (0%), 0 dislikes (0%)
02:23:01 <Tigger_> yes
02:28:04 <Tigger_> though not my sort of thing
02:47:33 <erlich> Like how Christfags think that Jesus and the Bible will cure every single one of the world's problems, academics and freetards think that education and free open source software will wipe out all the poverty and war in the world. Srsly This leads to a lot of lulz, as the project is failing miserably because none of these retards have any of the sense it takes to run a computer company. They get surprised when the companies that they bought compone
02:47:46 <erlich> perhaps this is the SJW entry point
02:48:04 <erlich> by exploiting the open source programmer's misguided views of a utopia
02:48:26 <erlich> that it has to start somewhere, and maybe a CoC is a good model to begin with
02:48:43 <erlich> you do kinda get into crazy idealism when you start coding tho
02:48:59 <erlich> but then after a while burn out and give up, and just do it for work
02:54:13 <AL> erlich
02:54:17 <AL> lols
03:04:21 <erlich> hey AL
03:04:28 <erlich> Tigger_: there is caramel flavoured mentos!
03:04:30 <erlich> so weird
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06:41:25 <AL> made song sounds like its printing the sound
06:41:27 <AL> https://youtu.be/mZdinyLaieU
06:41:31 <BlackDevil> Youtube: DOCKSTATION 2016 harddance music (Mar 14, 2016) Length: 4:15 - Category: Music - 1 view views - 1 likes (100%), 0 dislikes (0%)
07:08:58 <Marttin> i take a long shower and listen to it after tisk
07:09:25 <Marttin> If I were rich... I had a water proof tablet
07:09:39 <Marttin> id have
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07:21:57 <AL> lols
07:23:17 <AL> im rocking it
07:23:20 <AL> lols
07:23:31 <AL> electronic junkie
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07:31:00 <AL> Marttin
07:31:00 <AL> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyySeQj0bvM
07:31:00 <BlackDevil> Youtube: DAYNITE 2016 HARDDANCE MUSIC NEW MARCH (Mar 14, 2016) Length: 4:15 - Category: Music - 2 views views - 1 likes (100%), 0 dislikes (0%)
07:31:32 <AL> Marttin
07:31:34 <AL> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyySeQj0bvM
07:31:38 <BlackDevil> Youtube: DAYNITE 2016 HARDDANCE MUSIC NEW MARCH (Mar 14, 2016) Length: 4:15 - Category: Music - 2 views views - 1 likes (100%), 0 dislikes (0%)
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07:50:00 <Marttin> lol tisk, you are right, dockstation totally reminds me of the printing machine
07:50:00 <Marttin> ill listen to daynite in a moment
07:50:45 <Marttin> lol tisk, you are right, dockstation totally reminds me of the printing machine
07:51:05 <Marttin> ill listen to daynite in a moment
08:17:00 <Marttin> not bad
08:17:45 <Marttin> not bad
08:32:00 <AL> https://youtu.be/oFr7VuEs2kU
08:32:00 <BlackDevil> Youtube: DEL PSY TRANCE 2016 nice done music (Mar 14, 2016) Length: 2:33 - Category: Music - 1 view views - 1 likes (100%), 0 dislikes (0%)
08:32:00 <AL> just made that took 12 minutes
08:32:00 <AL> or like 10
08:32:38 <AL> https://youtu.be/oFr7VuEs2kU
08:32:42 <BlackDevil> Youtube: DEL PSY TRANCE 2016 nice done music (Mar 14, 2016) Length: 2:33 - Category: Music - 1 view views - 1 likes (100%), 0 dislikes (0%)
08:32:51 <AL> just made that took 12 minutes
08:32:56 <AL> or like 10
08:35:00 <Tigger_> `topic The inverse of the Drake Equation, that there are no other Earth like planets in the entire universe, and even Earth itself is very improbable: http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/d-brief/2016/02/22/earth-is-a-1-in-700-quintillion-kind-of-place/#.VubuFtoxCUn
08:36:10 <Tigger_> `topic The inverse of the Drake Equation, that there are no other Earth like planets in the entire universe, and even Earth itself is very improbable: http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/d-brief/2016/02/22/earth-is-a-1-in-700-quintillion-kind-of-place/#.VubuFtoxCUn
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10:12:00 <abortion> RE Topic: Interesting, but its still in the grade of intitial research. Should it prove to be true, it means we're alone, or any alien species we encounter would be very different to us (Trade of food would be impossible due to radically different composition). Being alone is both good and bad. It means we have to learn everything ourselves and have no radically different perspectives, but it also means we essentially have the universe to
10:12:00 <abortion> ourselves
10:13:02 <abortion> RE Topic: Interesting, but its still in the grade of intitial research. Should it prove to be true, it means we're alone, or any alien species we encounter would be very different to us (Trade of food would be impossible due to radically different composition). Being alone is both good and bad. It means we have to learn everything ourselves and have no radically different perspectives, but it also means we essentially have the universe to
10:13:03 <abortion> ourselves
10:15:00 <abortion> "Still, the model is based on what we currently understand about the universe, and if there’s one thing we have figured out so far, it’s that we still don’t know very much"
10:15:41 <abortion> "Still, the model is based on what we currently understand about the universe, and if there’s one thing we have figured out so far, it’s that we still don’t know very much"
10:37:00 <Tigger_> yes, it's very provisional
10:37:00 <Tigger_> but the Drake Equation was even more so
10:37:24 <Tigger_> yes, it's very provisional
10:37:33 <Tigger_> but the Drake Equation was even more so
10:40:00 <Tigger_> given that lack of data can be data in itself, if there was another civilisation in this galaxy we'd probably be aware of them by now, so we can assume we're alone in this galaxy. if there are civilisations in other galaxies, we probably won't become aware of them for a very long time yet
10:40:38 <Tigger_> given that lack of data can be data in itself, if there was another civilisation in this galaxy we'd probably be aware of them by now, so we can assume we're alone in this galaxy. if there are civilisations in other galaxies, we probably won't become aware of them for a very long time yet
10:43:00 <Tigger_> another factor to consider is that high technology civilisations only happened once on our planet, whereas low technology civilisations were plentiful, Egypt lasted over 2,000 years without advancing very much at all beyond its initial growth spurt
10:43:00 <Tigger_> if they're out there, we may already be way ahead of them
10:43:26 <Tigger_> another factor to consider is that high technology civilisations only happened once on our planet, whereas low technology civilisations were plentiful, Egypt lasted over 2,000 years without advancing very much at all beyond its initial growth spurt
10:44:06 <Tigger_> if they're out there, we may already be way ahead of them
10:45:00 <abortion> there's many possibilities
10:45:36 <abortion> there's many possibilities
10:46:00 <abortion> its tempting to think we'd hear radio transmissions, but they attenuate over distance, and as seen with our civilisation, we don't have anywhere near as many high power broadcasts as we used to after only 50 years
10:46:00 <abortion> We don't know all the signs to actually look for
10:46:00 <abortion> we're guessing they've done the same as us
10:46:21 <abortion> its tempting to think we'd hear radio transmissions, but they attenuate over distance, and as seen with our civilisation, we don't have anywhere near as many high power broadcasts as we used to after only 50 years
10:46:44 <abortion> We don't know all the signs to actually look for
10:46:50 <abortion> we're guessing they've done the same as us
10:47:00 <Tigger_> if they've colonised their own solar system, they'd become a very radio noisy civilisation
10:47:00 <abortion> Thats assuming they'd use the same radio tech
10:47:00 <abortion> they might have moved to highly directed transmissions for increased density
10:47:34 <Tigger_> if they've colonised their own solar system, they'd become a very radio noisy civilisation
10:47:55 <abortion> Thats assuming they'd use the same radio tech
10:48:00 <abortion> We're already moving that way ourselves
10:48:00 <Tigger_> can you do that very accurately between planets?
10:48:00 <abortion> Why not? Planets move in predictable ways
10:48:03 <abortion> they might have moved to highly directed transmissions for increased density
10:48:35 <abortion> We're already moving that way ourselves
10:48:59 <Tigger_> can you do that very accurately between planets?
10:49:00 <abortion> having comms satellites, you don't even need to overcome the atmosphere
10:49:00 <Tigger_> I was thinking of the satellites orbiting the two planets
10:49:15 <abortion> Why not? Planets move in predictable ways
10:49:41 <abortion> having comms satellites, you don't even need to overcome the atmosphere
10:50:00 <Tigger_> or if their solar system had its own regular olympic games, so broadcast in all directions
10:50:00 <abortion> one satellite points at another planet and a recieving satellite relays it to the planet surface
10:50:00 <abortion> We're already moving to IP television
10:50:00 <abortion> which is not broadcast
10:50:04 <Tigger_> I was thinking of the satellites orbiting the two planets
10:50:45 <Tigger_> or if their solar system had its own regular olympic games, so broadcast in all directions
10:50:49 <abortion> one satellite points at another planet and a recieving satellite relays it to the planet surface
10:51:00 <Tigger_> yes, I've been doing that for years
10:51:05 <abortion> We're already moving to IP television
10:51:16 <abortion> which is not broadcast
10:51:27 <Tigger_> yes, I've been doing that for years
10:52:00 <Tigger_> other ways to detect a civilisation is if they've built any galactic megastructures, such as a Dyson Sphere
10:52:00 <abortion> still only applicable if construction occurs during the time we've been observing
10:52:00 <abortion> otherwise, what are we really looking for?
10:52:00 <abortion> The physics of that would be crazy
10:52:00 <Tigger_> something out of the ordinary
10:52:00 <abortion> do we really know the telltale signs?
10:52:21 <Tigger_> other ways to detect a civilisation is if they've built any galactic megastructures, such as a Dyson Sphere
10:52:42 <abortion> still only applicable if construction occurs during the time we've been observing
10:52:57 <abortion> otherwise, what are we really looking for?
10:53:00 <Tigger_> when pulsars were first discovered they were thought to be artificial
10:53:05 <abortion> The physics of that would be crazy
10:53:05 <Tigger_> something out of the ordinary
10:53:10 <abortion> do we really know the telltale signs?
10:53:31 <Tigger_> when pulsars were first discovered they were thought to be artificial
10:55:00 <Tigger_> also if a civilisation only a bit more advanced than us existed, a century or two more, they'd have the ability to send out Von Neumann replicating probes, to propagate throughout the galaxy and send back a report on every star visited
10:55:53 <Tigger_> also if a civilisation only a bit more advanced than us existed, a century or two more, they'd have the ability to send out Von Neumann replicating probes, to propagate throughout the galaxy and send back a report on every star visited
10:56:00 <abortion> Improbable considering the time-scales involved
10:56:00 <abortion> Once again, do we know they'd be on the same technology path as us?
10:56:00 <Tigger_> it would only take a million years or so to do
10:56:29 <abortion> Improbable considering the time-scales involved
10:57:01 <abortion> Once again, do we know they'd be on the same technology path as us?
10:57:12 <Tigger_> it would only take a million years or so to do
10:59:00 <Tigger_> well they could be another stagnant civilisation that never gets beyond the Egyptians or Romans, but if they advance to a higher level, the laws of physics restrict your possible technology paths to a fairly narrow range of options
10:59:37 <Tigger_> well they could be another stagnant civilisation that never gets beyond the Egyptians or Romans, but if they advance to a higher level, the laws of physics restrict your possible technology paths to a fairly narrow range of options
11:00:00 <abortion> Also, with the probe things, what if it was policy to dump the station into the sun after the requisite probes to cover neighbouring systems was launched, for strategic reasons
11:00:00 <Tigger_> we used chemical propellent in rockets, we could've gone down the nuclear path, but that research came to a halt in the early 60s with the nuclear non-proliferation treaty
11:00:59 <abortion> Also, with the probe things, what if it was policy to dump the station into the sun after the requisite probes to cover neighbouring systems was launched, for strategic reasons
11:01:03 <Tigger_> we used chemical propellent in rockets, we could've gone down the nuclear path, but that research came to a halt in the early 60s with the nuclear non-proliferation treaty
11:02:00 <Tigger_> they could do, but my expectation is that if a probe found any sort of life at all, it would be a really big deal, after likely thousands of planets with no life, so they'd aim to further study what they've found
11:02:36 <Tigger_> they could do, but my expectation is that if a probe found any sort of life at all, it would be a really big deal, after likely thousands of planets with no life, so they'd aim to further study what they've found
11:03:00 <abortion> They might well be a non-interference thing, they'd have a lot of heads up that a civilisation was forming
11:03:36 <abortion> They might well be a non-interference thing, they'd have a lot of heads up that a civilisation was forming
11:04:00 <Tigger_> that's the Star Trek idea, but human history doesn't give much credence to that
11:04:00 <abortion> A scout probe may not have reason to contact us, if it contacts home, how many light years round trip time is there before they transmit back to us with instructions
11:04:20 <Tigger_> that's the Star Trek idea, but human history doesn't give much credence to that
11:05:00 <Tigger_> I'd guess that the probe would be autonomous enough to carry out research without having to phone home
11:05:00 <abortion> Research yes, but contact is a political decision
11:05:00 <Tigger_> obviously it would to send data back, but not so much for instructions
11:05:04 <abortion> A scout probe may not have reason to contact us, if it contacts home, how many light years round trip time is there before they transmit back to us with instructions
11:05:39 <Tigger_> I'd guess that the probe would be autonomous enough to carry out research without having to phone home
11:06:04 <abortion> Research yes, but contact is a political decision
11:06:06 <Tigger_> obviously it would to send data back, but not so much for instructions
11:07:00 <Tigger_> I'd give it a 50% chance that any such probe would be programmed to attack a civilisation if it reached too high a level
11:07:00 <abortion> I wouldn't give any weight to that, because we're so deep in speculation territory that the number of variables at play make it meaningless
11:07:36 <Tigger_> I'd give it a 50% chance that any such probe would be programmed to attack a civilisation if it reached too high a level
11:08:00 <Tigger_> I'm letting human history be my guide here
11:08:00 <abortion> I know you are
11:08:00 <abortion> but aliens aren't humans
11:08:00 <abortion> its a matter of, even if you strung together a bunch of variables the uncertainties multiply
11:08:12 <abortion> I wouldn't give any weight to that, because we're so deep in speculation territory that the number of variables at play make it meaningless
11:08:29 <Tigger_> I'm letting human history be my guide here
11:08:35 <abortion> I know you are
11:08:42 <abortion> but aliens aren't humans
11:09:00 <abortion> You could choose a path if you were writing a sci fi book
11:09:00 <abortion> but for measuring reality, its not that simple
11:09:00 <Tigger_> I think if they exist, convergent evolution on the psychological level is highly likely, that they are more than likely to be sexually monogamous, have nuclear families, and have a similar emotional spectrum to humans
11:09:02 <abortion> its a matter of, even if you strung together a bunch of variables the uncertainties multiply
11:09:39 <abortion> You could choose a path if you were writing a sci fi book
11:09:56 <abortion> but for measuring reality, its not that simple
11:10:00 <abortion> Highly likely on what basis?
11:10:00 <abortion> What if their mode of reproduction is completely different
11:10:00 <abortion> they might have axed natural reproduction
11:10:00 <Tigger_> on the basis that birds are not related to mammals, and independently evolved sexual monogamy, nuclear families, and a similar emotional spectrum
11:10:09 <Tigger_> I think if they exist, convergent evolution on the psychological level is highly likely, that they are more than likely to be sexually monogamous, have nuclear families, and have a similar emotional spectrum to humans
11:10:32 <abortion> Highly likely on what basis?
11:10:45 <abortion> What if their mode of reproduction is completely different
11:10:55 <abortion> they might have axed natural reproduction
11:11:00 <abortion> If however they no longer reproduce naturally, all that (emotional spectrum excepted) is irrelevant
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11:11:15 <Tigger_> on the basis that birds are not related to mammals, and independently evolved sexual monogamy, nuclear families, and a similar emotional spectrum
11:12:00 <abortion> They might be part cybord
11:12:00 <abortion> *cyborg
11:12:00 <Tigger_> they may not, but that is where natural selection brought them to, until they decided to develop some artificial solution, yet they would have that psychological legacy
11:12:09 <abortion> If however they no longer reproduce naturally, all that (emotional spectrum excepted) is irrelevant
11:12:57 <abortion> They might be part cybord
11:12:58 <abortion> *cyborg
11:13:00 <abortion> Depends how many years they've had under the different conditions
11:13:00 <abortion> if they're able to transmit new programs to the probes, the activities of that change as well
11:13:00 <abortion> OTA updates
11:13:00 <Tigger_> hive societies are quite impressive, but creative and dynamic they are not
11:13:02 <Tigger_> they may not, but that is where natural selection brought them to, until they decided to develop some artificial solution, yet they would have that psychological legacy
11:13:35 <abortion> Depends how many years they've had under the different conditions
11:14:00 <abortion> artificial reproduction does not neccessarily lead to hive society
11:14:00 <abortion> they'd presumably have a better understanding of their own psychology than we would of ours
11:14:00 <abortion> and we're extrapolating from us to them
11:14:03 <abortion> if they're able to transmit new programs to the probes, the activities of that change as well
11:14:09 <abortion> OTA updates
11:14:16 <Tigger_> hive societies are quite impressive, but creative and dynamic they are not
11:14:48 <abortion> artificial reproduction does not neccessarily lead to hive society
11:15:00 <Tigger_> not necessarily, but once reproduction came to be so manageable, then it would be odd if regulation and specification didn't come into play
11:15:07 <abortion> they'd presumably have a better understanding of their own psychology than we would of ours
11:15:10 <abortion> and we're extrapolating from us to them
11:15:59 <Tigger_> not necessarily, but once reproduction came to be so manageable, then it would be odd if regulation and specification didn't come into play
11:16:00 <abortion> They might opt for societal experimentation, favouring different traits for different societies
11:16:00 <abortion> give them planets
11:16:00 <abortion> see what happens after 3 centuries
11:16:00 <abortion> its what I'd do
11:16:00 <Tigger_> they may do, but that has the risk that one develops in an extremely warlike, xenophobic fashion, and wipes out the others
11:16:27 <abortion> They might opt for societal experimentation, favouring different traits for different societies
11:16:34 <abortion> give them planets
11:16:45 <abortion> see what happens after 3 centuries
11:16:53 <abortion> its what I'd do
11:17:00 <abortion> I wouldn't think that would be hard to suppress if they decided to launch missiles
11:17:00 <Tigger_> planet of the Chechens
11:17:08 <Tigger_> they may do, but that has the risk that one develops in an extremely warlike, xenophobic fashion, and wipes out the others
11:17:47 <abortion> I wouldn't think that would be hard to suppress if they decided to launch missiles
11:17:49 <Tigger_> planet of the Chechens
11:18:00 <abortion> If, as you say they begin like us, they'd risk manage
11:18:00 <abortion> If they started peaceful and did not risk manage, yes that could happen, but then your idea about beginning like us would be wrong
11:18:00 <abortion> but that could still be just one phase
11:18:19 <abortion> If, as you say they begin like us, they'd risk manage
11:18:47 <abortion> If they started peaceful and did not risk manage, yes that could happen, but then your idea about beginning like us would be wrong
11:19:12 <abortion> but that could still be just one phase
11:20:00 <Tigger_> extrapolating from us again, I am not sure that humans are going to change all that much, since we've overthrown natural selection, so any changes are going to be socially self-determined, and I'd expect that if they're like us, they'll go down the path of life extension, to provisional immortality
11:20:00 <abortion> Once you've seen things, you're less inclined to war
11:20:35 <Tigger_> extrapolating from us again, I am not sure that humans are going to change all that much, since we've overthrown natural selection, so any changes are going to be socially self-determined, and I'd expect that if they're like us, they'll go down the path of life extension, to provisional immortality
11:21:00 <abortion> We still have war, but things have been getting more peaceful, with life extension I'd expect that to be even more the case
11:21:00 <Tigger_> depends, if you had provisional immortality you certainly wouldn't be going to war yourself, you might send your robots though
11:21:00 <abortion> War is expensive
11:21:01 <abortion> Once you've seen things, you're less inclined to war
11:21:40 <abortion> We still have war, but things have been getting more peaceful, with life extension I'd expect that to be even more the case
11:21:51 <Tigger_> depends, if you had provisional immortality you certainly wouldn't be going to war yourself, you might send your robots though
11:22:00 <abortion> trade wars are the new norm
11:22:00 <Tigger_> war is free if your Von Neumann machines are doing it
11:22:00 <abortion> But then so is everything else, why would you need to displace a society
11:22:00 <Tigger_> after the initial R&D outlay that is
11:22:01 <abortion> War is expensive
11:22:19 <abortion> trade wars are the new norm
11:22:33 <Tigger_> war is free if your Von Neumann machines are doing it
11:22:52 <abortion> But then so is everything else, why would you need to displace a society
11:22:53 <Tigger_> after the initial R&D outlay that is
11:23:00 <abortion> If you saw a society being beligerent you might respond
11:23:00 <Tigger_> because you might feel the universe isn't big enough for two civilisations
11:23:00 <abortion> one tiny one which you can confine
11:23:00 <abortion> and continue to watch
11:23:18 <abortion> If you saw a society being beligerent you might respond
11:23:21 <Tigger_> because you might feel the universe isn't big enough for two civilisations
11:23:30 <abortion> one tiny one which you can confine
11:23:51 <abortion> and continue to watch
11:24:00 <abortion> they're already ahead by thousands of years at least if it is at the stage that a probe is already in this system
11:24:34 <abortion> they're already ahead by thousands of years at least if it is at the stage that a probe is already in this system
11:25:00 <abortion> It might even be entertainment
11:25:48 <abortion> It might even be entertainment
11:26:00 <Tigger_> yes, though civilisations may develop on different time scales, such as perhaps it took them a million years to advance their technology from 1900 to 2000 levels, and would be highly alarmed we did it in a mere hundred years, and then extrapolate where we'd be in another few hundred
11:26:51 <Tigger_> yes, though civilisations may develop on different time scales, such as perhaps it took them a million years to advance their technology from 1900 to 2000 levels, and would be highly alarmed we did it in a mere hundred years, and then extrapolate where we'd be in another few hundred
11:27:00 <abortion> That could be your automatic response system, but it would still be able to confine then
11:27:34 <abortion> That could be your automatic response system, but it would still be able to confine then
11:28:00 <abortion> If it started to detect technology it did not concieve of, then it could strike it down, but that may not mean that it actually annihilates us
11:28:46 <abortion> If it started to detect technology it did not concieve of, then it could strike it down, but that may not mean that it actually annihilates us
11:29:00 <Tigger_> depends on how much of a risk we are thought to be
11:29:00 <abortion> It's intelligence would be great enough to measure a very exact response
11:29:00 <abortion> something humans suck at due to emotions
11:29:22 <Tigger_> depends on how much of a risk we are thought to be
11:29:49 <abortion> It's intelligence would be great enough to measure a very exact response
11:30:00 <abortion> overreactions evolved because evolution does not understand things, it reacts to things
11:30:00 <Tigger_> I did plan out an SF story about the Earth being attacked by alien technology, but the alien tech wasn't really sure what it was attacking exactly, as it didn't understand what human civilisation was
11:30:01 <abortion> something humans suck at due to emotions
11:30:49 <abortion> overreactions evolved because evolution does not understand things, it reacts to things
11:31:00 <abortion> It wouldn't be very good for research purposes then
11:31:00 <abortion> surely such a system could run a parallel evolution process
11:31:16 <Tigger_> I did plan out an SF story about the Earth being attacked by alien technology, but the alien tech wasn't really sure what it was attacking exactly, as it didn't understand what human civilisation was
11:31:47 <abortion> It wouldn't be very good for research purposes then
11:32:00 <abortion> or model the brain
11:32:00 <Tigger_> the idea was that the alien AI understood patterns of civilisation, but only at the high level, not at the low level
11:32:00 <abortion> Seems unlikely
11:32:00 <abortion> In mastering their own psychology they'd understand the importance of it
11:32:14 <abortion> surely such a system could run a parallel evolution process
11:32:20 <abortion> or model the brain
11:32:22 <Tigger_> the idea was that the alien AI understood patterns of civilisation, but only at the high level, not at the low level
11:32:42 <abortion> Seems unlikely
11:33:00 <abortion> especially if, as you say, they have had the same path as us
11:33:00 <Tigger_> it could recognise things like trade, resource acquisition, transportation systems, which it understands to be common to all civilisations
11:33:00 <abortion> I personally would never send such a dumb AI to do that
11:33:00 <abortion> it'd be practically useless as a research tool
11:33:04 <abortion> In mastering their own psychology they'd understand the importance of it
11:33:21 <abortion> especially if, as you say, they have had the same path as us
11:33:34 <Tigger_> it could recognise things like trade, resource acquisition, transportation systems, which it understands to be common to all civilisations
11:34:00 <abortion> You wouldn't actually learn anything new then
11:34:00 <abortion> you'd just see, oh look, a civilisation
11:34:00 <abortion> welp, nothing to do now but twiddle thumbs or destroy
11:34:00 <Tigger_> well when it sees cars, it doesn't know if cars are the dominant life form on the planet, since cities are designed for cars, and such things
11:34:01 <abortion> I personally would never send such a dumb AI to do that
11:34:14 <abortion> it'd be practically useless as a research tool
11:34:28 <abortion> You wouldn't actually learn anything new then
11:34:39 <abortion> you'd just see, oh look, a civilisation
11:34:52 <abortion> welp, nothing to do now but twiddle thumbs or destroy
11:35:00 <abortion> hitchhikers guide
11:35:00 <Tigger_> is that in that book?
11:35:00 <abortion> it happens in the movie
11:35:06 <Tigger_> well when it sees cars, it doesn't know if cars are the dominant life form on the planet, since cities are designed for cars, and such things
11:35:29 <abortion> hitchhikers guide
11:35:44 <Tigger_> is that in that book?
11:35:51 <abortion> it happens in the movie
11:36:00 <abortion> That'd be a very ill informed analysis, which would only demonstratates is unsuitability as a research tool
11:36:00 <abortion> *its
11:36:00 <abortion> As I said a while back, you can choose those for a sci fi book
11:36:26 <abortion> That'd be a very ill informed analysis, which would only demonstratates is unsuitability as a research tool
11:36:42 <abortion> *its
11:37:00 <abortion> but for analysing how things are, thats way too specific in the face of mounting uncertainties
11:37:00 <Tigger_> my alien AI isn't concerned with the nature of the beings it is attacking, that is incidental, it's attacking the pillars of the civilisation
11:37:10 <abortion> As I said a while back, you can choose those for a sci fi book
11:37:27 <abortion> but for analysing how things are, thats way too specific in the face of mounting uncertainties
11:38:00 <abortion> so its not a research AI then
11:38:00 <Tigger_> no
11:38:12 <Tigger_> my alien AI isn't concerned with the nature of the beings it is attacking, that is incidental, it's attacking the pillars of the civilisation
11:38:29 <abortion> so its not a research AI then
11:38:34 <Tigger_> no
11:39:00 <Tigger_> in my story individual humans are not usually attacked, but if they organise in numbers, they may be attacked
11:39:00 <abortion> Biocidal agent
11:39:00 <abortion> Gamma ray beam
11:39:00 <abortion> It has the technology, why make something that can be fought back
11:39:30 <Tigger_> in my story individual humans are not usually attacked, but if they organise in numbers, they may be attacked
11:39:36 <abortion> Biocidal agent
11:39:49 <abortion> Gamma ray beam
11:40:00 <Tigger_> the purpose of the alien AI isn't to destroy the ecology of the planet though, as it wants to preserve it for colonisation by the actual aliens
11:40:16 <abortion> It has the technology, why make something that can be fought back
11:40:20 <Tigger_> the purpose of the alien AI isn't to destroy the ecology of the planet though, as it wants to preserve it for colonisation by the actual aliens
11:41:00 <abortion> That's a popular theme, but when you have literal billions of planets to choose from, and as you say, if civilisation is rare, the opportunities for corporate exploitation is great. Something different makes different things, if nothing else, entertainment
11:41:44 <abortion> That's a popular theme, but when you have literal billions of planets to choose from, and as you say, if civilisation is rare, the opportunities for corporate exploitation is great. Something different makes different things, if nothing else, entertainment
11:42:00 <Tigger_> we'd be passingly entertaining to them, but perhaps not much more than watching monkeys
11:42:00 <abortion> nature documentaries are very popular
11:42:44 <Tigger_> we'd be passingly entertaining to them, but perhaps not much more than watching monkeys
11:43:00 <abortion> billions of planets
11:43:00 <abortion> If good planets are rare, the travel time would be truely immense
11:43:00 <Tigger_> my expectation is that if humans are the first civilisation in our galaxy, and we explore it and colonise it, then all evolution will cease, as we'll be preserving every endangered species in the galaxy, preventing any further development
11:43:03 <abortion> nature documentaries are very popular
11:43:40 <abortion> billions of planets
11:44:14 <abortion> If good planets are rare, the travel time would be truely immense
11:44:17 <Tigger_> my expectation is that if humans are the first civilisation in our galaxy, and we explore it and colonise it, then all evolution will cease, as we'll be preserving every endangered species in the galaxy, preventing any further development
11:45:00 <abortion> I think you're excluding too much evolution on our own part. Whether in ideas or physiological existence
11:45:00 <abortion> over a couple of thousands we may be the same
11:45:00 <abortion> but millions?
11:45:00 <abortion> too hard to say
11:45:00 <Tigger_> well any evolution from this point on will have to be deliberately chosen
11:45:00 <abortion> We don't know the full extent of constraints to our expansion technology
11:45:20 <abortion> I think you're excluding too much evolution on our own part. Whether in ideas or physiological existence
11:45:32 <abortion> over a couple of thousands we may be the same
11:45:34 <abortion> but millions?
11:45:37 <abortion> too hard to say
11:46:00 <abortion> We'd hope so
11:46:08 <Tigger_> well any evolution from this point on will have to be deliberately chosen
11:46:16 <abortion> We don't know the full extent of constraints to our expansion technology
11:46:19 <abortion> We'd hope so
11:47:00 <Tigger_> what would we choose to do if we had the options? other than the obvious like immortality, strength, and a higher IQ?
11:47:44 <Tigger_> what would we choose to do if we had the options? other than the obvious like immortality, strength, and a higher IQ?
11:48:00 <abortion> If not included in strengh, endurance
11:48:00 <abortion> change our organ structure
11:48:00 <abortion> to simplify and make redundant
11:48:00 <abortion> less prone to chemicals
11:48:00 <Tigger_> isn't that just optimisation of what we already are?
11:48:00 <abortion> Good point
11:48:24 <abortion> If not included in strengh, endurance
11:48:24 <abortion> change our organ structure
11:48:26 <abortion> to simplify and make redundant
11:48:34 <abortion> less prone to chemicals
11:48:50 <Tigger_> isn't that just optimisation of what we already are?
11:49:00 <abortion> change our mode of transportation, give ourselves more polymorphic libs
11:49:00 <abortion> Make the brain more deliberate
11:49:00 <abortion> so less prone to association bias
11:49:18 <abortion> Good point
11:49:41 <abortion> change our mode of transportation, give ourselves more polymorphic libs
11:49:58 <abortion> Make the brain more deliberate
11:50:00 <abortion> or I should say, the biases caused by false association
11:50:15 <abortion> so less prone to association bias
11:50:55 <abortion> or I should say, the biases caused by false association
11:51:00 <Tigger_> I can think of ways that directed evolution could be a disaster, such as choosing something that on the surface seems good, like make people more trusting
11:51:00 <abortion> also potentially allowing for a more decentralised brain
11:51:00 <abortion> or even expandable
11:51:00 <Tigger_> what would be the benefit of a decentralised brain?
11:51:23 <Tigger_> I can think of ways that directed evolution could be a disaster, such as choosing something that on the surface seems good, like make people more trusting
11:51:40 <abortion> also potentially allowing for a more decentralised brain
11:51:49 <abortion> or even expandable
11:51:58 <Tigger_> what would be the benefit of a decentralised brain?
11:52:00 <abortion> I was thinking, in making it kind of modular
11:52:00 <abortion> like the way our computer architecure has explicit components for particular jobs
11:52:33 <abortion> I was thinking, in making it kind of modular
11:52:55 <abortion> like the way our computer architecure has explicit components for particular jobs
11:53:00 <abortion> spend a couple of days expanding our capacity to visualise spaces in 3 dimensions
11:53:00 <abortion> Or even to make our brains more able to accept artificial senses
11:53:39 <abortion> spend a couple of days expanding our capacity to visualise spaces in 3 dimensions
11:54:00 <abortion> or in 4 dimensions
11:54:00 <Tigger_> if that was done, and it's likely it will, then the direction of evolution will be towards being brains in a jar
11:54:00 <abortion> maybe
11:54:00 <abortion> and for that matter it could also lead to divergence
11:54:04 <abortion> Or even to make our brains more able to accept artificial senses
11:54:32 <abortion> or in 4 dimensions
11:54:42 <Tigger_> if that was done, and it's likely it will, then the direction of evolution will be towards being brains in a jar
11:55:00 <abortion> where some will choose to make a body of extreme endurance
11:55:00 <abortion> able to survive anywhere
11:55:00 <abortion> and others towards immense mental capacity
11:55:00 <abortion> but likely increasing their dependence on technology
11:55:00 <Tigger_> well the type of body to survive in the Sahara is quite different to the sort of body to survive in the Arctic
11:55:01 <abortion> maybe
11:55:15 <abortion> and for that matter it could also lead to divergence
11:55:30 <abortion> where some will choose to make a body of extreme endurance
11:55:36 <abortion> able to survive anywhere
11:55:51 <abortion> and others towards immense mental capacity
11:56:00 <abortion> spend a couple of days creating moisture retention sacs
11:56:00 <abortion> or spend a couple of days growing thermal insulation
11:56:00 <abortion> maybe days is to fast
11:56:00 <abortion> weeks to months
11:56:02 <abortion> but likely increasing their dependence on technology
11:56:13 <Tigger_> well the type of body to survive in the Sahara is quite different to the sort of body to survive in the Arctic
11:56:41 <abortion> spend a couple of days creating moisture retention sacs
11:56:56 <abortion> or spend a couple of days growing thermal insulation
11:57:00 <Tigger_> I think there would be people who go for this sort of thing, but they'd always be an oddball minority, like survivalists
11:57:00 <abortion> Generalising digestion into a more flexible system of substance conversion
11:57:00 <Tigger_> so live on dirt
11:57:00 <abortion> well not dirt, it'd have to be hydrocarbons of some kind
11:57:00 <abortion> but celluose
11:57:00 <abortion> *like celluose
11:57:07 <abortion> maybe days is to fast
11:57:11 <abortion> weeks to months
11:57:39 <Tigger_> I think there would be people who go for this sort of thing, but they'd always be an oddball minority, like survivalists
11:57:41 <abortion> Generalising digestion into a more flexible system of substance conversion
11:57:51 <Tigger_> so live on dirt
11:58:00 <Tigger_> well animals that do that sort of thing are grazers, they eat all day
11:58:00 <abortion> hell you might even make it so bodies can utilise an amount of electricity
11:58:00 <abortion> not complete requirements
11:58:00 <abortion> but an amount
11:58:04 <abortion> well not dirt, it'd have to be hydrocarbons of some kind
11:58:07 <abortion> but celluose
11:58:17 <abortion> *like celluose
11:58:37 <Tigger_> well animals that do that sort of thing are grazers, they eat all day
11:58:45 <abortion> hell you might even make it so bodies can utilise an amount of electricity
11:58:55 <abortion> not complete requirements
11:59:00 <abortion> but an amount
12:00:00 <Tigger_> so far humanity has found it a lot easier to alter the environment than alter the human, I don't think that'll change
12:00:00 <abortion> so far being the key term
12:00:00 <abortion> genetic manipulation and cyborg tech is still new
12:00:00 <abortion> so when the options open up that could change
12:00:24 <Tigger_> so far humanity has found it a lot easier to alter the environment than alter the human, I don't think that'll change
12:00:41 <abortion> so far being the key term
12:01:00 <abortion> we just didn't have that option before
12:01:00 <abortion> One thing I think would be good to tackle first is nerve signal propogation speed
12:01:00 <Tigger_> I think most people will choose immortality, looks, IQ. only a few oddballs would be keen on digesting cellulose
12:01:02 <abortion> genetic manipulation and cyborg tech is still new
12:01:16 <abortion> so when the options open up that could change
12:01:20 <abortion> we just didn't have that option before
12:01:57 <abortion> One thing I think would be good to tackle first is nerve signal propogation speed
12:02:00 <abortion> 20m/s is kinda crap
12:02:00 <Tigger_> what would happen if it was increased?
12:02:00 <abortion> increased limb precision
12:02:18 <Tigger_> I think most people will choose immortality, looks, IQ. only a few oddballs would be keen on digesting cellulose
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12:02:28 <abortion> 20m/s is kinda crap
12:02:52 <Tigger_> what would happen if it was increased?
12:03:00 <abortion> your brain could respond to things more quickly
12:03:00 <abortion> and adjust
12:03:00 <abortion> for fine motor skills
12:03:00 <Tigger_> so be fast as a cat
12:03:00 <abortion> yes, small animals have an advantage because their nerves aren't as long
12:03:13 <abortion> increased limb precision
12:03:22 <abortion> your brain could respond to things more quickly
12:03:28 <Glenn> He'd blow his monthly download limit in hours intead of days!
12:03:31 <abortion> and adjust
12:03:41 <abortion> for fine motor skills
12:03:41 <Tigger_> so be fast as a cat
12:03:56 <abortion> yes, small animals have an advantage because their nerves aren't as long
12:04:00 <Tigger_> I've never been able to beat a cat in boxing
12:04:00 <abortion> I was thinking more, birds react very quickly to things in flight
12:04:00 <abortion> for small animals
12:04:33 <Tigger_> I've never been able to beat a cat in boxing
12:04:53 <abortion> I was thinking more, birds react very quickly to things in flight
12:05:00 <Tigger_> yes, hawks certainly can
12:05:00 <abortion> but for us, we could have far better fine motor skills in our fingers, allowing us to type faster
12:05:16 <abortion> for small animals
12:05:20 <Tigger_> yes, hawks certainly can
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12:06:00 <abortion> I was thinking sew more precisely
12:06:00 <abortion> but sewing isn't a thing done by hand anymore really
12:06:00 <abortion> clock making
12:06:00 <Warren1984> hi all
12:06:00 <abortion> positioning tools for machining
12:06:00 <Warren1984> Tigger_'s favourite song -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWOFgzN3lEU
12:06:00 <Tigger_> several of us in the channel did a typing test, I got 75 words per minute, but I don't think as fast as 75 words per minute
12:06:00 <BlackDevil> Youtube: Julian Lennon - "Now You're In Heaven" (Dec 10, 2013) Length: 3:39 - Category: Music - 5,379 views - 40 likes (97.6%), 1 dislikes (2.4%)
12:06:16 <abortion> but for us, we could have far better fine motor skills in our fingers, allowing us to type faster
12:06:31 <abortion> I was thinking sew more precisely
12:06:39 <abortion> but sewing isn't a thing done by hand anymore really
12:06:44 <abortion> clock making
12:06:49 <Warren1984> hi all
12:06:59 <abortion> positioning tools for machining
12:07:00 <Tigger_> Warren1984, I hate hippy music
12:07:00 <abortion> Race drivers would be able to respond more quickly
12:07:03 <Warren1984> Tigger_'s favourite song -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWOFgzN3lEU
12:07:06 <Tigger_> several of us in the channel did a typing test, I got 75 words per minute, but I don't think as fast as 75 words per minute
12:07:07 <BlackDevil> Youtube: Julian Lennon - "Now You're In Heaven" (Dec 10, 2013) Length: 3:39 - Category: Music - 5,379 views - 40 likes (97.6%), 1 dislikes (2.4%)
12:07:25 <Tigger_> Warren1984, I hate hippy music
12:08:00 <abortion> Acrobats would be even crazier
12:08:00 <Tigger_> yes they would, but then it would become a race between gene technology providers rather than of racing cars as such
12:08:07 <abortion> Race drivers would be able to respond more quickly
12:08:44 <abortion> Acrobats would be even crazier
12:09:00 <abortion> it'd be both
12:09:00 <Tigger_> it would be one way to kill interest in sport for once and for all
12:09:00 <abortion> Hmm, I'm liking this idea even more now
12:09:09 <Tigger_> yes they would, but then it would become a race between gene technology providers rather than of racing cars as such
12:09:32 <abortion> it'd be both
12:09:46 <Tigger_> it would be one way to kill interest in sport for once and for all
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12:10:00 <abortion> it'd have a lag though
12:10:00 <abortion> embryo to about 20 years of age
12:10:11 <abortion> Hmm, I'm liking this idea even more now
12:10:57 <abortion> it'd have a lag though
12:11:00 <abortion> in situ would be very difficult
12:11:00 <abortion> given its nerves, a life threatening process
12:11:00 <abortion> *it is
12:11:00 <Tigger_> but with a 20 year lag, in situ solutions have a 20 year head start
12:11:07 <abortion> embryo to about 20 years of age
12:11:25 <abortion> in situ would be very difficult
12:11:49 <abortion> given its nerves, a life threatening process
12:12:00 <abortion> *it is
12:12:00 <Tigger_> a lot of R&D in that time
12:12:00 <abortion> That risk taking is entertainment in itself
12:12:00 <abortion> you might have two divisions
12:12:09 <Tigger_> but with a 20 year lag, in situ solutions have a 20 year head start
12:12:26 <Tigger_> a lot of R&D in that time
12:12:44 <abortion> That risk taking is entertainment in itself
12:13:00 <abortion> sort of crazy people with original bodies, and super crazy people who underwent the procedure and have even more ridiculous cars
12:13:02 <abortion> you might have two divisions
12:13:29 <abortion> sort of crazy people with original bodies, and super crazy people who underwent the procedure and have even more ridiculous cars
12:14:00 <abortion> It'd be local footy vs AFL
12:14:00 <abortion> only a very small number would participate
12:14:00 <Tigger_> audiences don't usually react too well to external factors coming into play, it's considered cheating. like performance enhancing drugs, or how interest in the America's Cup died when the winner would only be decided in a court months after the event
12:14:00 <abortion> in the big leagues due to the crazy risks
12:14:00 <abortion> That is true
12:14:20 <abortion> It'd be local footy vs AFL
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12:14:40 <abortion> only a very small number would participate
12:14:44 <Tigger_> audiences don't usually react too well to external factors coming into play, it's considered cheating. like performance enhancing drugs, or how interest in the America's Cup died when the winner would only be decided in a court months after the event
12:14:48 <abortion> in the big leagues due to the crazy risks
12:15:00 <Tigger_> Lance Armstrong will only be remembered for one thing now
12:15:00 <abortion> you know, that would be cool too
12:15:00 <abortion> controversy is entertainment t
12:15:00 <abortion> *too
12:15:00 <abortion> But the thing about cheating is, its usually hidden
12:15:05 <abortion> That is true
12:15:22 <Tigger_> Lance Armstrong will only be remembered for one thing now
12:15:43 <abortion> you know, that would be cool too
12:15:49 <abortion> controversy is entertainment t
12:15:51 <abortion> *too
12:16:03 <abortion> But the thing about cheating is, its usually hidden
12:17:00 <Tigger_> I haven't heard of anyone calling for an openly drug enhanced games
12:17:00 <abortion> which might mean that only those born with the modification would be eligible, insitu might be outlawed
12:17:00 <abortion> because being born with something is not a choice
12:17:00 <abortion> we have the paralympic games
12:17:36 <Tigger_> I haven't heard of anyone calling for an openly drug enhanced games
12:18:00 <Tigger_> if that happened the athletes would go to town with it, dangerously so
12:18:00 <abortion> It'd be their own division
12:18:04 <abortion> which might mean that only those born with the modification would be eligible, insitu might be outlawed
12:18:11 <abortion> because being born with something is not a choice
12:18:16 <abortion> we have the paralympic games
12:18:19 <Tigger_> if that happened the athletes would go to town with it, dangerously so
12:18:23 <Glenn> Whilst Lance Armstrong may well have cheated, the huge fuss made about it was to deflect attention away from the incompetence of the drug testing procedures which failed to detect illicit substances being used.
12:18:57 <Tigger_> Glenn, it made me wonder how much more drug cheating was going on that was still undetected
12:19:00 <Tigger_> yes, its own division, and female athletes looking like the 1976 East Germany team
12:19:00 <abortion> good luck stopping progress
12:19:02 <abortion> It'd be their own division
12:19:41 <Tigger_> yes, its own division, and female athletes looking like the 1976 East Germany team
12:20:00 <abortion> olympics might reject it, another organisation may step up
12:20:00 <abortion> might be a niche
12:20:05 <abortion> good luck stopping progress
12:20:50 <abortion> olympics might reject it, another organisation may step up
12:20:59 <abortion> might be a niche
12:21:08 <Glenn> Probably a lot. However, I still support Armstrong. He was cleared of any drug use during his career, and only at the end of it did the failures come to light. Seems like spoil sports out there demanding aa slice of the action they were incapable of doing.
12:22:00 <Tigger_> I don't think it'll ever happen, sports needs sponsors, and I can't see Nike or Adidas fronting up money for something like that, wouldn't be the sort of image they'd want to project
12:22:00 <abortion> Sharapova
12:22:34 <Tigger_> I don't think it'll ever happen, sports needs sponsors, and I can't see Nike or Adidas fronting up money for something like that, wouldn't be the sort of image they'd want to project
12:22:48 <Glenn> I also have sympathy for the Russian tennis player recently detected using banned substances.
12:23:00 <Tigger_> it seems she used it for a month too long
12:23:15 <abortion> Sharapova
12:23:21 <Tigger_> it seems she used it for a month too long
12:24:02 <Glenn> Wouldn't have mattered. It probably would have been picked up six months later like a lot of drugs.
12:25:00 <abortion> See I'm not so sure. Taking drugs is the choice of someone who wants to be an athlete. A nerve enchances baby didn't have that choice, but might still want to be an athlete. Even if they only do it as a hobby, a bunch of them might link up
12:26:00 <abortion> One guy might film it and put it on Youtube
12:26:00 <abortion> Even if it doesn't go mainstream, it could still be a niche
12:26:09 <abortion> See I'm not so sure. Taking drugs is the choice of someone who wants to be an athlete. A nerve enchances baby didn't have that choice, but might still want to be an athlete. Even if they only do it as a hobby, a bunch of them might link up
12:26:42 <abortion> One guy might film it and put it on Youtube
12:26:53 <abortion> Even if it doesn't go mainstream, it could still be a niche
12:27:00 <Tigger_> that raises all sorts of ethical questions, about foisting such abilities on a person
12:27:00 <abortion> Only on the competitive disadvantage on those who didn't get it
12:27:00 <abortion> oh wait
12:27:00 <abortion> yes I see what you mean
12:27:00 <Tigger_> particularly like all other forms of engineering, it's a trade off, so whatever they gained, they lost something else
12:27:24 <Tigger_> that raises all sorts of ethical questions, about foisting such abilities on a person
12:27:52 <abortion> Only on the competitive disadvantage on those who didn't get it
12:28:00 <abortion> could be
12:28:00 <abortion> but not always
12:28:00 <abortion> but for retrofit solutions (which even in the gene it is, because you're changing only a small part) it does tend to happen more
12:28:01 <abortion> oh wait
12:28:04 <abortion> yes I see what you mean
12:28:08 <Tigger_> particularly like all other forms of engineering, it's a trade off, so whatever they gained, they lost something else
12:28:29 <abortion> could be
12:28:41 <abortion> but not always
12:29:00 <abortion> However, version 2 of products do get released
12:29:00 <abortion> and suboptimal design does exist
12:29:00 <abortion> and so unless you believe humans were divinely designed, same goes for evolution
12:29:11 <abortion> but for retrofit solutions (which even in the gene it is, because you're changing only a small part) it does tend to happen more
12:29:44 <abortion> However, version 2 of products do get released
12:29:50 <abortion> and suboptimal design does exist
12:30:00 <Tigger_> well nobody would complain about being given immortality or looks at birth, they might complain about IQ, they'd certainly complain about more eccentric features
12:30:13 <abortion> and so unless you believe humans were divinely designed, same goes for evolution
12:31:00 <abortion> Only if they have the urge to conform to society
12:31:16 <Tigger_> well nobody would complain about being given immortality or looks at birth, they might complain about IQ, they'd certainly complain about more eccentric features
12:31:59 <abortion> Only if they have the urge to conform to society
12:32:00 <abortion> If it is an advantage, people are more likely to look up to it than a disadvantage.
12:32:00 <Tigger_> high IQ is correlated with alcoholism
12:32:00 <abortion> I don't buy that
12:32:00 <abortion> not a linear relation anyway
12:32:24 <abortion> If it is an advantage, people are more likely to look up to it than a disadvantage.
12:32:27 <Tigger_> high IQ is correlated with alcoholism
12:32:41 <abortion> I don't buy that
12:33:00 <Tigger_> a lot of studies say it
12:33:16 <abortion> not a linear relation anyway
12:33:24 <Tigger_> a lot of studies say it
12:34:00 <Tigger_> as a high IQ teetotaller, I'm not exactly a very good data point for studies trying to prove that correlation
12:34:00 <abortion> I'm sure the relation is much more complicated than that
12:34:00 <abortion> given the prevalence of drinking culture
12:34:00 <Tigger_> but I can understand why a high IQ person would be tempted by alcohol, to become stupid to relate to people better
12:34:00 <abortion> I've heard a different explaination
12:34:00 <Tigger_> what is that?
12:34:20 <Tigger_> as a high IQ teetotaller, I'm not exactly a very good data point for studies trying to prove that correlation
12:34:36 <abortion> I'm sure the relation is much more complicated than that
12:34:36 <abortion> given the prevalence of drinking culture
12:34:58 <Tigger_> but I can understand why a high IQ person would be tempted by alcohol, to become stupid to relate to people better
12:35:00 <abortion> to supress excessive activity in the brain to allow relaxation
12:35:00 <Tigger_> it could be that, I've wondered about some people
12:35:10 <abortion> I've heard a different explaination
12:35:15 <Tigger_> what is that?
12:35:23 <abortion> to supress excessive activity in the brain to allow relaxation
12:35:43 <Tigger_> it could be that, I've wondered about some people
12:36:00 <Tigger_> though I don't empathise, the mind firing on all cylinders is a great feeling, I hate it when it stops
12:36:00 <abortion> that was an explaination applied to most drugs
12:36:00 <abortion> yeah me too
12:36:00 <abortion> I get anxious when I can't think properly
12:36:43 <Tigger_> though I don't empathise, the mind firing on all cylinders is a great feeling, I hate it when it stops
12:36:59 <abortion> that was an explaination applied to most drugs
12:37:00 <Tigger_> I suppose it's nature's way of telling me it's time to go to sleep
12:37:08 <abortion> yeah me too
12:37:13 <abortion> I get anxious when I can't think properly
12:37:44 <Tigger_> I suppose it's nature's way of telling me it's time to go to sleep
12:42:00 <Tigger_> drinking is the curse of the northern populations, though IQ does increase the further you go north, it's only a moderate correlation. the correlation is a bit stronger in Asia with north to south IQ, and koreans are the biggest drinkers
12:42:33 <Tigger_> drinking is the curse of the northern populations, though IQ does increase the further you go north, it's only a moderate correlation. the correlation is a bit stronger in Asia with north to south IQ, and koreans are the biggest drinkers
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13:45:00 <abortion> Who here will be keeping an eye on https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzpW10DPHeQ in about an hour?
13:45:00 <BlackDevil> Youtube: Match 5 - Google DeepMind Challenge Match: Lee Sedol vs AlphaGo (Date not found) Length: 0:00 - Category: Science & Technology - /span views - 333 likes (97.1%), 10 dislikes (2.9%)
13:45:00 <abortion> Lee won match 4
13:45:00 <abortion> AlphaGo clearly not infallible
13:45:40 <abortion> Who here will be keeping an eye on https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzpW10DPHeQ in about an hour?
13:45:44 <BlackDevil> Youtube: Match 5 - Google DeepMind Challenge Match: Lee Sedol vs AlphaGo (Date not found) Length: 0:00 - Category: Science & Technology - /span views - 333 likes (97.1%), 10 dislikes (2.9%)
13:46:03 <abortion> Lee won match 4
13:46:17 <abortion> AlphaGo clearly not infallible
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14:49:00 <circle> hopefully lee wins
14:49:00 <circle> alphago is the favourite
14:49:46 <circle> hopefully lee wins
14:49:58 <circle> alphago is the favourite
14:56:00 <abortion> well he won the first 3
14:56:00 <abortion> so alphago has already won from that, but just listening to the preshow
14:56:00 <abortion> alphago losing is lesson material
14:56:31 <abortion> well he won the first 3
14:56:52 <abortion> so alphago has already won from that, but just listening to the preshow
14:57:03 <abortion> alphago losing is lesson material
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14:58:00 <abortion> which they hope they can apply more broadly to AI
14:59:48 <abortion> match begins in less than 60 seconds
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15:03:49 <abortion> Still saying interesting things
15:04:28 <abortion> Analyse most likely moves humans would make, so rare moves are not well analysed
15:04:28 <abortion> not able to determine when a move is particularly pivotal to the match
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15:38:45 <circle> alphago lost in match 4 because of fucking up at move 79
15:38:56 <circle> not sure if it was really the way sedol played
15:39:01 <circle> but i hope he can crush alphago in this final match
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15:42:29 <abortion> yes, that fuck up is exactly what was being investigated
15:43:16 <abortion> as they were saying, it was estimated that that move had a 1 in 10,000 chance of being played, and did not model that move very rigorously as a result
15:44:58 <abortion> So it didn't respond in a reasonable manner
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19:18:45 <circle> hello SoupNazi
19:19:07 <circle> who the fuck is Shango
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19:20:49 <President_Trump> loollllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll
19:26:44 <circle> supo President_Trump
19:27:55 <President_Trump> Jennifer Hawkins praises Republican candidate Donald Trump as a 'brilliant businessman'
19:44:54 <Marttin> www.nature.com/news/oldest-ancient-human-dna-details-dawn-of-neanderthals-1.19557
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20:02:34 <DuckDodgers> LOLOL
20:02:47 <DuckDodgers> circle, Shango is in love with you
20:04:01 <President_Trump> what happened DuckDodgers? lollllllllllllll
20:05:19 <President_Trump> circle what do you think of this video
20:05:20 <President_Trump> https://www.facebook.com/OfficialBritainFirst/videos/984468358365092/
20:05:39 <DuckDodgers> President_Trump lollllllllllllllllllllllllllllll
20:05:50 <DuckDodgers> nuffin much bro
20:05:53 <DuckDodgers> chillin around
20:06:09 <DuckDodgers> waiting for jen so we can have some fun ;p
20:06:55 <President_Trump> why are circle and Shango in love?
20:07:41 <DuckDodgers> Shango would explain that briefly
20:07:45 <abortion> Game over, AlphaGo wins match 5
20:07:52 <DuckDodgers> circle seems to obsessed with Shango
20:08:01 <DuckDodgers> <DuckDodgers> Sara-Serina... Looks like you traded in your neck for an extra chin!
20:08:04 <DuckDodgers> LOLLLL
20:08:44 <President_Trump> why is circle obsessed with Shango?
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21:03:00 <Warren1984> geez I got to lose some weight
21:03:00 <Warren1984> 117KG
21:03:00 <Ozone> how tall are you?
21:03:43 <Warren1984> geez I got to lose some weight
21:03:45 <Warren1984> 117KG
21:04:00 <Warren1984> 180cm like Tigger_
21:04:03 <Ozone> how tall are you?
21:05:00 <Warren1984> clip clop is 500KG
21:05:11 <Warren1984> 180cm like Tigger_
21:05:33 <Warren1984> clip clop is 500KG
21:13:00 <Ozone> ah
21:13:00 <Ozone> probably should lose a few kilos then
21:13:40 <Ozone> ah
21:13:50 <Ozone> probably should lose a few kilos then
21:26:00 <Tigger_> fewer visits to McDonalds and KFC
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21:26:49 <Tigger_> fewer visits to McDonalds and KFC
21:29:00 <Tigger_> don't end up like her: http://i.imgur.com/XA4acAx.png
21:29:45 <Tigger_> don't end up like her: http://i.imgur.com/XA4acAx.png
21:39:00 <Ozone> warrens gf?
21:39:39 <Ozone> warrens gf?
21:41:00 <Tigger_> this girl just lost her job for threatening to assassinate Trump: https://archive.is/68RLO#selection-977.0-977.13
21:42:04 <Tigger_> this girl just lost her job for threatening to assassinate Trump: https://archive.is/68RLO#selection-977.0-977.13
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21:48:00 <erlich> damio got a skype virus
21:49:03 <erlich> damio got a skype virus
21:51:00 <Tigger_> yes
21:51:00 <Tigger_> I got that spam link too
21:51:00 <Tigger_> I replied and told him about it
21:51:49 <Tigger_> yes
21:51:57 <Tigger_> I got that spam link too
21:52:00 <circle> i use linux
21:52:00 <circle> noviruses
21:52:00 <circle> not sure why anybody bothers with windows tbh
21:52:00 <Tigger_> viruses are rarely a problem
21:52:05 <Tigger_> I replied and told him about it
21:52:33 <circle> i use linux
21:52:38 <circle> noviruses
21:52:47 <circle> not sure why anybody bothers with windows tbh
21:53:00 <Tigger_> well they've never been a problem for me, I've never gotten one
21:53:04 <Tigger_> viruses are rarely a problem
21:53:42 <Tigger_> well they've never been a problem for me, I've never gotten one
21:54:00 <Tigger_> they are what friend's computers get
21:54:24 <Tigger_> they are what friend's computers get
21:56:00 <circle> in windows you have to be careful
21:56:00 <circle> not go to dodgy websites, don't open dodgy files
21:56:00 <circle> i don't bother with that
21:56:00 <circle> it's for windows plebs
21:56:30 <circle> in windows you have to be careful
21:56:39 <circle> not go to dodgy websites, don't open dodgy files
21:56:41 <circle> i don't bother with that
21:56:59 <circle> it's for windows plebs
21:57:00 <Tigger_> I've made various attempts to use Linux, it's a time sink
21:57:44 <Tigger_> I've made various attempts to use Linux, it's a time sink
21:58:00 <circle> i first used linux at age 12, a guy on IRC told me to install ubuntu
21:58:00 <circle> from then on i was hooked
21:59:00 <circle> having been using arch linux for about 6 years now
21:59:00 <circle> sometimes make plans to move to gentoo but eh
21:59:00 <circle> arch is better
21:59:00 <circle> ubuntu is very easy, easier than installing windows even
21:59:00 <circle> you can even let the live CD make a dual boot for you
21:59:12 <circle> i first used linux at age 12, a guy on IRC told me to install ubuntu
21:59:17 <circle> from then on i was hooked
21:59:36 <circle> having been using arch linux for about 6 years now
21:59:43 <circle> sometimes make plans to move to gentoo but eh
21:59:44 <circle> arch is better
22:00:00 <Tigger_> the problem isn't ease of installation, but the array of dependencies you need if you install software outside of the distro's software repository
22:00:03 <circle> ubuntu is very easy, easier than installing windows even
22:00:17 <circle> you can even let the live CD make a dual boot for you
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22:01:00 <Tigger_> the problem isn't ease of installation, but the array of dependencies you need if you install software outside of the distro's software repository
22:01:00 <circle> you can add custom and 3rd party repositories
22:01:00 <circle> there shouldn't be any software you want that doesn't exist in some repository
22:01:00 <circle> not to mention there's such thing as a .deb file on debian and linux which can be used by your dependency manager
22:01:24 <circle> you can add custom and 3rd party repositories
22:01:41 <circle> there shouldn't be any software you want that doesn't exist in some repository
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22:02:00 <circle> in arch linux there's a community package system which has everything under the sun
22:02:00 <Tigger_> then there is the discovery that entirely mainstream hardware isn't supported by your distribution
22:02:07 <circle> not to mention there's such thing as a .deb file on debian and linux which can be used by your dependency manager
22:02:50 <circle> in arch linux there's a community package system which has everything under the sun
22:03:00 <Tigger_> then there is the discovery that entirely mainstream hardware isn't supported by your distribution
22:04:00 <Tigger_> with Ubuntu I had a Pioneer DVD drive, one of the most common on the market, which would not allow the drive to be opened again no matter what, Ubuntu would have to be rebooted just to unlock the drive
22:04:27 <Tigger_> with Ubuntu I had a Pioneer DVD drive, one of the most common on the market, which would not allow the drive to be opened again no matter what, Ubuntu would have to be rebooted just to unlock the drive
22:05:00 <circle> probably fixable
22:05:00 <Tigger_> very likely it is, but a time sink
22:05:00 <circle> ive never had issues with any of that tbh
22:05:00 <circle> although arch sometimes makes me spend many hours googling, researching, editing config files etc to get basic things working
22:05:00 <circle> it's all part of the fun
22:05:36 <circle> probably fixable
22:05:45 <Tigger_> very likely it is, but a time sink
22:05:55 <circle> ive never had issues with any of that tbh
22:06:00 <Tigger_> such problems are very commonly reported, this is why Linux is stuck at a 1% marketshare
22:06:08 <circle> although arch sometimes makes me spend many hours googling, researching, editing config files etc to get basic things working
22:06:10 <circle> it's all part of the fun
22:06:40 <Tigger_> such problems are very commonly reported, this is why Linux is stuck at a 1% marketshare
22:07:00 <erlich> which distro of linux, circle?
22:07:00 <erlich> oh arch
22:08:02 <erlich> which distro of linux, circle?
22:08:12 <erlich> oh arch
22:12:00 <circle> sedol lost
22:12:00 <circle> DAMNIT
22:12:21 <circle> sedol lost
22:12:22 <circle> DAMNIT
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22:14:00 <erlich> ive got bundaberg creaming soda
22:14:00 <erlich> bundaberg shared experience
22:14:56 <erlich> ive got bundaberg creaming soda
22:15:00 <Tigger_> I have one too, though it's still in the fridge, getting colder
22:15:02 <erlich> bundaberg shared experience
22:15:27 <Tigger_> I have one too, though it's still in the fridge, getting colder
22:17:00 <circle> u know in norway
22:17:00 <circle> actually nvm
22:17:00 <circle> u know ive got a new waifu
22:17:00 <circle> literally perfect
22:17:00 <circle> 10/10
22:17:00 <circle> goddess
22:17:00 <circle> President_Trump
22:17:27 <circle> u know in norway
22:17:59 <circle> actually nvm
22:18:00 <circle> Tigger_, you say you don't like german girls
22:18:00 <circle> maybe this will change ur mind
22:18:02 <circle> u know ive got a new waifu
22:18:04 <circle> literally perfect
22:18:05 <circle> 10/10
22:18:06 <circle> goddess
22:18:13 <circle> President_Trump
22:18:30 <circle> Tigger_, you say you don't like german girls
22:18:33 <circle> maybe this will change ur mind
22:19:00 <circle> we dont get girls this qt in aus
22:19:00 <circle> sadly
22:19:00 <circle> http://i.imgur.com/yC4hNEp.jpg
22:19:32 <circle> we dont get girls this qt in aus
22:19:33 <circle> sadly
22:20:00 <circle> http://i.imgur.com/yC4hNEp.jpg
22:21:00 <Tigger_> she's quite pretty, must be from the north
22:21:00 <circle> she's a 10
22:21:00 <circle> i don't think german women vary between north/south germany tbh
22:21:44 <Tigger_> she's quite pretty, must be from the north
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22:21:55 <circle> she's a 10
22:22:00 <Tigger_> more typical German girls: http://www.barenakedislam.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/german-girls.jpg
22:22:08 <circle> i don't think german women vary between north/south germany tbh
22:22:52 <Tigger_> more typical German girls: http://www.barenakedislam.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/german-girls.jpg
22:23:00 <circle> they are prettier than typical australian girls
22:23:00 <circle> and think, those are ugly german women
22:23:37 <circle> they are prettier than typical australian girls
22:23:49 <circle> and think, those are ugly german women
22:25:00 <Tigger_> that's actually worse, in Australia the only sort of females who would pose with a sign like that are beasts from the bottom of the barrel
22:25:00 <circle> it's the same in germany
22:25:00 <circle> those women are bottom of the barrel in germany
22:25:33 <Tigger_> that's actually worse, in Australia the only sort of females who would pose with a sign like that are beasts from the bottom of the barrel
22:25:52 <circle> it's the same in germany
22:25:57 <circle> those women are bottom of the barrel in germany
22:26:00 <Tigger_> they represent the views of the average German
22:27:00 <circle> maybe
22:27:00 <circle> german women are still 10x better than aussie women tho
22:27:04 <Tigger_> they represent the views of the average German
22:28:00 <circle> maybe
22:28:07 <circle> german women are still 10x better than aussie women tho
22:30:00 <Tigger_> Scandinavian and Russian women are better looking, and at least Russian women would never celebrate their country being invaded by evolutionary missing links
22:30:20 <Tigger_> Scandinavian and Russian women are better looking, and at least Russian women would never celebrate their country being invaded by evolutionary missing links
22:33:00 <Tigger_> http://www.barenakedislam.com/2016/03/15/new-israeli-innovation-could-save-many-victims-of-vicious-stabbing-attacks/
22:33:42 <Tigger_> http://www.barenakedislam.com/2016/03/15/new-israeli-innovation-could-save-many-victims-of-vicious-stabbing-attacks/
22:34:00 <circle> scandinavian women are slilghtly better looking
22:34:00 <circle> russian women aren't
22:34:00 <Tigger_> Israeli scientist Moshe Rogosnitzky has discovered that gallium, a biometal currently used to stop bone loss in cancer patients, can, in liquid form (known as gallium nitrate), rapidly halt bleeding from deep wounds without causing blood clots.
22:34:00 <Tigger_> The use of gallium for stopping bleeding from deep cuts provides additional benefits as well. Extensive research has shown that gallium is a very powerful anti-infective and speeds the healing of injuries caused by deep gashes which are often produced by the knives and other type of weapons used by terrorists.
22:34:18 <circle> scandinavian women are slilghtly better looking
22:34:24 <circle> russian women aren't
22:35:00 <Tigger_> yet another valuable jewish contribution to the advancement of civilisation
22:35:18 <Tigger_> Israeli scientist Moshe Rogosnitzky has discovered that gallium, a biometal currently used to stop bone loss in cancer patients, can, in liquid form (known as gallium nitrate), rapidly halt bleeding from deep wounds without causing blood clots.
22:35:18 <Tigger_> The use of gallium for stopping bleeding from deep cuts provides additional benefits as well. Extensive research has shown that gallium is a very powerful anti-infective and speeds the healing of injuries caused by deep gashes which are often produced by the knives and other type of weapons used by terrorists.
22:35:48 <Tigger_> yet another valuable jewish contribution to the advancement of civilisation
22:36:00 <circle> jews invented bolshevism
22:36:00 <circle> not sure if i would label that a valuable contribution to the advancement of civilisation
22:36:00 <circle> to put it mildly
22:36:43 <circle> jews invented bolshevism
22:36:55 <circle> not sure if i would label that a valuable contribution to the advancement of civilisation
22:36:58 <circle> to put it mildly
22:37:00 <circle> when did you start loving jews Tigger_?
22:38:00 <Tigger_> I support all white people's
22:38:00 <circle> i've been informed by plivent that you are of jewish ancestry
22:38:00 <circle> but i dismissed it
22:38:00 <Tigger_> even white Catholics, though they would have to be converted to Christianity
22:38:10 <circle> when did you start loving jews Tigger_?
22:38:31 <Tigger_> I support all white people's
22:38:48 <circle> i've been informed by plivent that you are of jewish ancestry
22:38:52 <circle> but i dismissed it
22:39:00 <circle> seems odd that someone who has smart views on most things could be ignorant on the jews
22:39:06 <Tigger_> even white Catholics, though they would have to be converted to Christianity
22:39:28 <circle> seems odd that someone who has smart views on most things could be ignorant on the jews
22:40:00 <Tigger_> the claims made about the jews are fictitious, frauds, like Eustace Mullins' claim that there is a jewish book "A Racial Program for the 20th Century", advocating race mixing and so on, when no such book has ever been found to exist
22:40:48 <Tigger_> the claims made about the jews are fictitious, frauds, like Eustace Mullins' claim that there is a jewish book "A Racial Program for the 20th Century", advocating race mixing and so on, when no such book has ever been found to exist
22:41:00 <Tigger_> and the few details he does provide are so inaccurate as to indicate that he's engaged in fraud
22:41:00 <circle> i don't think they're frauds
22:41:00 <circle> you can easily see that behind most leftist things in society there's a jew
22:41:00 <circle> it's not even hard to see
22:41:00 <Tigger_> then you get these nazis saying exactly the same things as arabs and niggers
22:41:00 <circle> research anything and it will lead you back to a jew
22:41:19 <Tigger_> and the few details he does provide are so inaccurate as to indicate that he's engaged in fraud
22:41:48 <circle> i don't think they're frauds
22:42:00 <Tigger_> why is it that these Stormfront types believe exactly the same things, have the same worldview, as muslims and niggers?
22:42:05 <circle> you can easily see that behind most leftist things in society there's a jew
22:42:07 <circle> it's not even hard to see
22:42:14 <Tigger_> then you get these nazis saying exactly the same things as arabs and niggers
22:42:16 <circle> research anything and it will lead you back to a jew
22:42:54 <Tigger_> why is it that these Stormfront types believe exactly the same things, have the same worldview, as muslims and niggers?
22:43:00 <Tigger_> why are they so silent on Catholic schemes to flood white countries with third world refugees? which are carried out very openly
22:43:46 <Tigger_> why are they so silent on Catholic schemes to flood white countries with third world refugees? which are carried out very openly
22:44:00 <Tigger_> why are they attacking Israel constantly, when it's the frontline of the war between the west and Islam?
22:44:27 <Tigger_> why are they attacking Israel constantly, when it's the frontline of the war between the west and Islam?
22:47:00 <circle> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident
22:47:00 <erlich> https://fbcdn-photos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xlf1/v/t1.0-0/s261x260/1045053_1691565944454740_1191600037320448503_n.jpg?oh=bfb2975ad1580cd10b95e32868fc248b&oe=57543EDD&__gda__=1465234778_2a25556a59a25ba195e8cb7b32cbeb46
22:47:00 <circle> http://rediscover911.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Understanding-US-Israeli-Relationship.jpg
22:47:00 <circle> Tigger_: http://rediscover911.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Understanding-US-Israeli-Relationship.jpg
22:47:00 <Tigger_> that was nearly 50 years ago now, and has been analysed to death
22:47:42 <circle> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident
22:47:51 <erlich> https://fbcdn-photos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xlf1/v/t1.0-0/s261x260/1045053_1691565944454740_1191600037320448503_n.jpg?oh=bfb2975ad1580cd10b95e32868fc248b&oe=57543EDD&__gda__=1465234778_2a25556a59a25ba195e8cb7b32cbeb46
22:47:56 <circle> http://rediscover911.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Understanding-US-Israeli-Relationship.jpg
22:48:00 <circle> israel should have been nuked for that, or at the very least sanctioned
22:48:00 <circle> the cold blooded murder of 34 us sailors cannot go unpunished
22:48:06 <circle> Tigger_: http://rediscover911.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Understanding-US-Israeli-Relationship.jpg
22:48:11 <Tigger_> that was nearly 50 years ago now, and has been analysed to death
22:48:38 <circle> israel should have been nuked for that, or at the very least sanctioned
22:48:46 <circle> the cold blooded murder of 34 us sailors cannot go unpunished
22:49:00 <Tigger_> notice in your jpg how the black president is the voice of reason?
22:49:00 <circle> i can't wait until israel fucks up again
22:49:00 <circle> i want them to kill hundreds more white american soldiers
22:49:00 <circle> and then i want the US to declare war on israel
22:49:00 <circle> jews will have a fucking heart attack
22:49:23 <Tigger_> notice in your jpg how the black president is the voice of reason?
22:49:58 <circle> i can't wait until israel fucks up again
22:50:00 <circle> they will shit their pants literally
22:50:00 <circle> WE PUSHED THE GOY TOO FAR!
22:50:00 <circle> HOLOCAUST!
22:50:00 <Tigger_> why are the Stormfronters who made this jpg making Obama the negro (and former muslim) the hero protecting America against the jews?
22:50:06 <circle> i want them to kill hundreds more white american soldiers
22:50:10 <circle> and then i want the US to declare war on israel
22:50:15 <circle> jews will have a fucking heart attack
22:50:21 <circle> they will shit their pants literally
22:50:27 <circle> WE PUSHED THE GOY TOO FAR!
22:50:30 <circle> HOLOCAUST!
22:51:00 <circle> maybe it helps get moderates onside
22:51:00 <Tigger_> yes, I'm sure that's it
22:51:02 <Tigger_> why are the Stormfronters who made this jpg making Obama the negro (and former muslim) the hero protecting America against the jews?
22:51:21 <circle> maybe it helps get moderates onside
22:51:54 <Tigger_> yes, I'm sure that's it
22:53:00 <Tigger_> if you visit black forums you read all the same sorts of jewish conspiracy theories, except they're a bit wilder again, saying jews invented AIDS to kill black people and so on
22:53:00 <circle> lol
22:53:00 <circle> doubt it
22:53:47 <Tigger_> if you visit black forums you read all the same sorts of jewish conspiracy theories, except they're a bit wilder again, saying jews invented AIDS to kill black people and so on
22:54:00 <circle> you know a lot of prominent australian abos are jew lovers?
22:54:00 <circle> warren mundine is a good example
22:54:00 <Tigger_> well that's the sort of stuff they talk about amongst each other
22:54:00 <circle> jews actually run most of the aboriginal lobby groups
22:54:00 <Tigger_> warren mundine is a good abo
22:54:17 <circle> lol
22:54:18 <circle> doubt it
22:54:32 <circle> you know a lot of prominent australian abos are jew lovers?
22:54:35 <circle> warren mundine is a good example
22:54:43 <Tigger_> well that's the sort of stuff they talk about amongst each other
22:54:45 <circle> jews actually run most of the aboriginal lobby groups
22:54:52 <Tigger_> warren mundine is a good abo
22:55:00 <Tigger_> strange he's in the ALP, his beliefs fit much more with the Liberal/National party
22:55:00 <circle> lol
22:55:00 <circle> nope.tiff
22:55:19 <Tigger_> strange he's in the ALP, his beliefs fit much more with the Liberal/National party
22:55:30 <circle> lol
22:55:31 <circle> nope.tiff
22:56:00 <Tigger_> a common black forum conspiracy is that the black nationalist movement in the 1960s was destroyed by jews introducing drugs to black neighbourhoods
22:56:00 <Tigger_> to sap the strength and vitality of black people, so they couldn't fight for their rights anymore
22:56:49 <Tigger_> a common black forum conspiracy is that the black nationalist movement in the 1960s was destroyed by jews introducing drugs to black neighbourhoods
22:57:00 <circle> the black nationalist movement was created by jews
22:57:13 <Tigger_> to sap the strength and vitality of black people, so they couldn't fight for their rights anymore
22:57:59 <circle> the black nationalist movement was created by jews
22:58:00 <circle> http://mail.blockyourid.com/~gbpprorg/judicial-inc/rosa_p11.jpg
22:58:00 <circle> the three jews behind the NAACP
22:58:31 <circle> http://mail.blockyourid.com/~gbpprorg/judicial-inc/rosa_p11.jpg
22:58:34 <circle> the three jews behind the NAACP
22:59:00 <DaylightSlavingTime> <Tigger_> I'm only relaying the sorts of things they believe, not arguing with them
22:59:00 <circle> http://www.jewishjournal.com/culture/article/the_original_rachel_dolezal_was_a_jew_named_mezz_mezirow
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22:59:33 <DaylightSlavingTime> <Tigger_> I'm only relaying the sorts of things they believe, not arguing with them
23:00:00 <circle> that cunt/whore who pretended to be black?
23:00:00 <circle> a JEW
23:00:00 <circle> i didn't even know this
23:00:00 <circle> i just googled her right then
23:00:00 <circle> found out she was a jew
23:00:00 <circle> you find a jew behind every last bit of degeneracy in society Tigger_
23:00:00 <circle> it's just so fucking laughably common
23:00:00 <circle> i wish it wasn't
23:00:00 <circle> but it is
23:00:11 <circle> http://www.jewishjournal.com/culture/article/the_original_rachel_dolezal_was_a_jew_named_mezz_mezirow
23:00:40 <circle> that cunt/whore who pretended to be black?
23:00:40 <circle> a JEW
23:00:46 <circle> i didn't even know this
23:00:50 <circle> i just googled her right then
23:00:52 <circle> found out she was a jew
23:00:59 <circle> you find a jew behind every last bit of degeneracy in society Tigger_
23:01:03 <circle> it's just so fucking laughably common
23:01:05 <circle> i wish it wasn't
23:01:06 <circle> but it is
23:02:00 <DaylightSlavingTime> that Rachel Dolezal? her family were cuck Christian evangelicals, who had adopted a bunch of african kids, virtue signalling to their lame church
23:02:00 <circle> <circle> the black nationalist movement was created by jews
23:02:00 <circle> <circle> http://mail.blockyourid.com/~gbpprorg/judicial-inc/rosa_p11.jpg
23:02:00 <circle> <circle> the three jews behind the NAACP
23:02:00 <circle> not sure if u got these msgs
23:02:12 Quit: Tigger_ ([email protected]) Ping timeout: 171 seconds
23:02:46 <DaylightSlavingTime> that Rachel Dolezal? her family were cuck Christian evangelicals, who had adopted a bunch of african kids, virtue signalling to their lame church
23:02:55 <circle> <circle> the black nationalist movement was created by jews
23:02:55 <circle> <circle> http://mail.blockyourid.com/~gbpprorg/judicial-inc/rosa_p11.jpg
23:02:55 <circle> <circle> the three jews behind the NAACP
23:02:59 <circle> not sure if u got these msgs
23:03:00 <DaylightSlavingTime> leftwing jews who abandon their religion typically don't embrace Christianity, but secular radicalism as their god
23:04:10 <DaylightSlavingTime> leftwing jews who abandon their religion typically don't embrace Christianity, but secular radicalism as their god
23:05:00 <DaylightSlavingTime> actually one of the weirdest things I found on black nationalist forums is that they were only moderately anti-white, they were primarily anti-jew
23:05:00 <circle> thats good'
23:05:45 <DaylightSlavingTime> actually one of the weirdest things I found on black nationalist forums is that they were only moderately anti-white, they were primarily anti-jew
23:06:00 <circle> hopefully we can use niggers against jews
23:06:00 <circle> turn jews weapon against them
23:06:15 <circle> thats good'
23:06:21 <circle> hopefully we can use niggers against jews
23:06:32 <circle> turn jews weapon against them
23:07:00 <DaylightSlavingTime> that's what I mean about Stormfronters having the same worldview as blacks and muslims
23:08:00 <circle> lol how
23:08:00 <circle> because we both hate jews
23:08:00 <circle> thats doesnt mean we have the same worldview
23:08:07 <DaylightSlavingTime> that's what I mean about Stormfronters having the same worldview as blacks and muslims
23:09:00 <circle> it means they overlap in a tiny way
23:09:00 <circle> most niggers and nigger organisations are CONTROLLED by jews
23:09:00 <circle> the whole civil rights movement in the US was orchestrated by jews
23:09:00 <circle> even jews brag about this
23:09:09 <circle> lol how
23:09:12 <circle> because we both hate jews
23:09:18 <circle> thats doesnt mean we have the same worldview
23:09:21 <circle> it means they overlap in a tiny way
23:09:29 <circle> most niggers and nigger organisations are CONTROLLED by jews
23:09:41 <circle> the whole civil rights movement in the US was orchestrated by jews
23:09:43 <circle> even jews brag about this
23:10:00 <DaylightSlavingTime> the NAACP had white gentile founders too, along with jews
23:10:56 <DaylightSlavingTime> the NAACP had white gentile founders too, along with jews
23:11:00 <circle> jews were overrepresnted, whites underrepresented
23:11:22 <circle> jews were overrepresnted, whites underrepresented
23:12:00 <DaylightSlavingTime> this white feminist Unitarian: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_White_Ovington
23:12:46 <DaylightSlavingTime> this white feminist Unitarian: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_White_Ovington
23:14:00 <circle> >born in brooklyn
23:14:00 <circle> >the most jewish part of the usa
23:14:00 <DaylightSlavingTime> Irish quaker: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florence_Kelley
23:14:20 <circle> >born in brooklyn
23:14:26 <circle> >the most jewish part of the usa
23:14:43 <DaylightSlavingTime> Irish quaker: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florence_Kelley
23:15:00 <DaylightSlavingTime> not a jew, married one though: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_English_Walling
23:15:50 <DaylightSlavingTime> not a jew, married one though: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_English_Walling
23:16:00 <circle> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Moskowitz_%28civil_rights_leader%29
23:16:47 <circle> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Moskowitz_%28civil_rights_leader%29
23:18:00 <DaylightSlavingTime> catholic mother, protestant father: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Oswald_Garrison_Villard
23:18:00 <DaylightSlavingTime> yes, Moskowitz was jewish
23:18:00 <DaylightSlavingTime> from Baptist stock: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Edward_Russell
23:18:23 <DaylightSlavingTime> catholic mother, protestant father: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Oswald_Garrison_Villard
23:18:35 <DaylightSlavingTime> yes, Moskowitz was jewish
23:19:14 <DaylightSlavingTime> from Baptist stock: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Edward_Russell
23:20:13 Quit: Danny ([email protected]) Connection closed
23:21:00 <DaylightSlavingTime> one interesting thing about 19th century america is that Unitarians and Quakers were at the forefront of all these socially progressive causes, until they died out
23:21:38 <DaylightSlavingTime> one interesting thing about 19th century america is that Unitarians and Quakers were at the forefront of all these socially progressive causes, until they died out
23:25:00 <erlich> HJs have made their chips larger
23:25:00 <DaylightSlavingTime> like KFC?
23:25:27 <erlich> HJs have made their chips larger
23:26:00 <erlich> getting there, butnot quite
23:26:05 <DaylightSlavingTime> like KFC?
23:26:20 <erlich> getting there, butnot quite
23:29:00 <circle> Nigger nigger on the wall
23:29:00 <circle> who is the niggest of them all?
23:30:13 <circle> Nigger nigger on the wall
23:30:16 <circle> who is the niggest of them all?
23:33:00 <abortion> https://twitter.com/untresor/status/677845118469152768
23:33:00 <abortion> "Trump wants to ban Muslims but if we learned anything from Prohibition it's that people will just make Muslims in their bathtubs."
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23:34:00 <abortion> lol the interpretations
23:34:00 <circle> lol
23:34:05 <abortion> https://twitter.com/untresor/status/677845118469152768
23:34:16 <abortion> "Trump wants to ban Muslims but if we learned anything from Prohibition it's that people will just make Muslims in their bathtubs."
23:34:24 <abortion> lol the interpretations
23:35:12 <circle> lol
23:38:00 <erlich> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/79/The_Tiger_who_came_to_tea.jpg
23:38:00 <erlich> i just got flash backs
23:38:36 <erlich> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/79/The_Tiger_who_came_to_tea.jpg
23:38:39 <erlich> i just got flash backs
23:42:00 <DaylightSlavingTime> interestingly the states that vote in favour of Trump are largely the ones that advocated Prohibition, and became prohibition states in the late 19th century, prior to the law being passed later at a federal level
23:43:00 <abortion> "You need to discard the first 50 mL when making Muslims in the bathtub. It's mostly Wahhabists and can make you go blind."
23:43:09 <DaylightSlavingTime> interestingly the states that vote in favour of Trump are largely the ones that advocated Prohibition, and became prohibition states in the late 19th century, prior to the law being passed later at a federal level
23:43:26 <abortion> "You need to discard the first 50 mL when making Muslims in the bathtub. It's mostly Wahhabists and can make you go blind."
23:44:00 <DaylightSlavingTime> the tiger who came to tea was written by a jew
23:45:09 <DaylightSlavingTime> the tiger who came to tea was written by a jew
23:46:00 <President_Trump> just saw kasich laughing uncontrollably when asked if there was a path to the whitehouse for him, 'im going to win ohio then get the 1250 delegates, WHATCHA THINK ABOUT THAT??
23:46:00 <erlich> i prefer the older style of illustratio
23:46:00 <DaylightSlavingTime> Kerr spent her early years in Berlin just before the start of the Third Reich and her father was on a death list because of his opposition to the Nazis. Michael Rosen, also a children's author, claims the tiger could be based on her memory of the past threat: something that could have disrupted her life as a young child and taken everything the family owned.
23:46:00 <DaylightSlavingTime> Judith knows about dangerous people who come to your house and take people away. She was told as a young child that her father could be grabbed at any moment by either the Gestapo or the SS - he was in great danger. So I don't know whether Judith did it consciously or not - I wouldn't want to go there - but the point is he's a jokey tiger, but he is a tiger. (Michael Rosen) [2]
23:46:19 <President_Trump> just saw kasich laughing uncontrollably when asked if there was a path to the whitehouse for him, 'im going to win ohio then get the 1250 delegates, WHATCHA THINK ABOUT THAT??
23:46:28 <erlich> i prefer the older style of illustratio
23:46:39 <DaylightSlavingTime> Kerr spent her early years in Berlin just before the start of the Third Reich and her father was on a death list because of his opposition to the Nazis. Michael Rosen, also a children's author, claims the tiger could be based on her memory of the past threat: something that could have disrupted her life as a young child and taken everything the family owned.
23:46:39 <DaylightSlavingTime> Judith knows about dangerous people who come to your house and take people away. She was told as a young child that her father could be grabbed at any moment by either the Gestapo or the SS - he was in great danger. So I don't know whether Judith did it consciously or not - I wouldn't want to go there - but the point is he's a jokey tiger, but he is a tiger. (Michael Rosen) [2]
23:47:00 <erlich> i dont remember the narrative, just the title and cover
23:48:08 <erlich> i dont remember the narrative, just the title and cover
23:50:00 <DaylightSlavingTime> good photo of Kasich here: http://www.breitbart.com/immigration/2016/03/14/john-kasich-goes-all-in-for-amnesty-illegals-made-in-the-image-of-the-lord/
23:50:50 <DaylightSlavingTime> good photo of Kasich here: http://www.breitbart.com/immigration/2016/03/14/john-kasich-goes-all-in-for-amnesty-illegals-made-in-the-image-of-the-lord/
23:51:00 <Warren1984> DaylightSlavingTime how much does clip clop weigh?
23:51:00 <Warren1984> 500KG?
23:51:00 <DaylightSlavingTime> he won't go on the scales
23:51:49 <Warren1984> DaylightSlavingTime how much does clip clop weigh?
23:51:52 <Warren1984> 500KG?
23:52:11 <DaylightSlavingTime> he won't go on the scales
23:54:00 <chazoo> hi Warren1984 hows it going?
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23:54:51 <chazoo> hi Warren1984 hows it going?
23:58:00 <Warren1984> good and you ChanOP
23:58:00 <Warren1984> chazoo
23:58:58 <Warren1984> good and you ChanOP
23:59:02 <Warren1984> chazoo
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