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33:00 <IvanTheBastard> what did warren do lol
41:00 <CAUCASIAN^STALKS^ASIAN> Ethanol can I touch your wife
42:00 <CAUCASIAN^STALKS^ASIAN> Mate ill b gentle
42:00 <CAUCASIAN^STALKS^ASIAN> with her
43:00 <CAUCASIAN^STALKS^ASIAN> Ethanol
43:00 <CAUCASIAN^STALKS^ASIAN> Listen alrite
43:00 <CAUCASIAN^STALKS^ASIAN> is your wife there- the asian one
45:00 <CAUCASIAN^STALKS^ASIAN> Ethanol put that pig on
47:00 <CAUCASIAN^STALKS^ASIAN> put that pig on
48:00 <CAUCASIAN^STALKS^ASIAN> Ethanol
48:00 <CAUCASIAN^STALKS^ASIAN> put your ugly asian wife on
49:00 <CAUCASIAN^STALKS^ASIAN> because
50:00 <CAUCASIAN^STALKS^ASIAN> she is so hot
50:00 <CAUCASIAN^STALKS^ASIAN> Ethanol
50:00 <CAUCASIAN^STALKS^ASIAN> put Pigglet on
51:00 <CAUCASIAN^STALKS^ASIAN> u married a PIG
51:00 <CAUCASIAN^STALKS^ASIAN> remember the wedding lol
52:00 <CAUCASIAN^STALKS^ASIAN> Ethanol
52:00 <CAUCASIAN^STALKS^ASIAN> enough bullshit
52:00 <CAUCASIAN^STALKS^ASIAN> put  your asian whore on
53:00 <CAUCASIAN^STALKS^ASIAN> Ethanol
53:00 <CAUCASIAN^STALKS^ASIAN> put
53:00 <CAUCASIAN^STALKS^ASIAN> your
53:00 <CAUCASIAN^STALKS^ASIAN> feral
53:00 <CAUCASIAN^STALKS^ASIAN> asian
53:00 <CAUCASIAN^STALKS^ASIAN> wife on
54:00 <CAUCASIAN^STALKS^ASIAN> That oriental pig.
19:00 <CAUCASIAN^HAWKS^ASIAN> Ethanol mate
20:00 <CAUCASIAN^HAWKS^ASIAN> the threat of whores
20:00 <CAUCASIAN^HAWKS^ASIAN> like your wife
20:00 <CAUCASIAN^HAWKS^ASIAN> is indivisable
20:00 <CAUCASIAN^HAWKS^ASIAN> ORIENTAL PIGS
22:00 <CAUCASIAN^HAWKS^ASIAN> when an ORIENTAL PIG strives in 1 part of the world
22:00 <CAUCASIAN^HAWKS^ASIAN> they ALL do
22:00 <CAUCASIAN^HAWKS^ASIAN> hold on
23:00 <CAUCASIAN^HAWKS^ASIAN> Ethanol when an ORIENTAL PIG strives in one corner of the world
24:00 <CAUCASIAN^HAWKS^ASIAN> ORIENTAL PIGGOTRY strives everywhere
24:00 <CAUCASIAN^HAWKS^ASIAN> that is y
24:00 <CAUCASIAN^HAWKS^ASIAN> we must remove this PIGGOTRY
35:00 <flagen> dammit
45:00 <AndroUser2> I went to this girl' house tonight
45:00 <AndroUser2> She got boinked hard
45:00 <AndroUser2> then I hear
46:00 <AndroUser2> 'OH SHIT, MY BOYFRIEND IS HOME'
46:00 <AndroUser2> some tiny lookin peon walks into the room
47:00 <AndroUser2> I go HEY BUDDYYYYYYYYYYY
48:00 <AndroUser2> lol
55:00 <AndroUser2> tigger 
55:00 <AndroUser2> I went to this girls house tonight
56:00 <AndroUser2> she said bring pasta, tomatos, onions, radishes
57:00 <AndroUser2> calls me 30 min before u calvinist pig
58:00 <AndroUser2> and then her fone is diconnected
58:00 <AndroUser2> very angry
58:00 <AndroUser2> an asian girl blew me tonight
59:00 <AndroUser2> but I paid $50 in cab fees
09:00 <AndroUser2> if u commit violent crimes, u better be darn smart
12:00 <AndroUser2> if u commit violent crimes tigger, be prepared for the worst
12:00 <AndroUser2> youre looking at actual jail
14:00 <AndroUser2> sorry plivent 
14:00 <AndroUser2> lol
37:00 <xm> PlanNineFromBirdsville: http://www.dailydot.com/geek/barbie-engineer-book-girls-game-developers/
40:00 <[DoC]> Obama conveniently waited until after the elections to add another year of combat in Afghanistan
20:00 <[DoC]> OMG Protest against the BBC is getting bigger
20:00 <[DoC]> I just learned they are falsifying youtube tv licensing video views
21:00 <[DoC]> Just screenshotted 1 of the video
21:00 <[DoC]> BBC is an abomination
23:00 <[DoC]> Im sure they will enjoy their intermediate state as the unrepentant sinner and probley put in to the lake of fire if still not repented
28:00 <[DoC]> The term was popularised in the United States by Mark Twain (among others), who attributed it to the 19th-century British Prime Minister Benjamin Disraeli(1804-1881). "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." 
30:00 <[DoC]> The concept of a honest politician is analogous to that of a virgin porn star. It’s an oxymoron. Just like porn literally requires having sex, political success literally requires lying. It’s fair to say that lying actually IS the job, just as sex is for porn
16:00 <PlanNineFromBirdsville> Barbie book about programming tells girls they need boys to code for them
16:00 <PlanNineFromBirdsville> that's the way all female coders do it
17:00 <PlanNineFromBirdsville> while it's certainly possible to lie with statistics, it's even easier to lie without statistics
07:00 <xm> what confuses me a little is how they come y[ with drake's equation when there are far more factors and parameters involved than even weather
07:00 <xm> even with*
08:00 <xm> http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-11-23/adolf-hitler-watercolour-fetches-130000-euros-at-german-auction/5911758?WT.mc_id=Corp_News-Nov2014%7CNews-Nov2014_FBP%7Cabcnews
08:00 <mrwuf> y is warren banned
08:00 <xm> i thought that was a bit unPC for contemporary Germany
08:00 <xm> damio did it
08:00 <xm> and i dont know why
08:00 <mrwuf> I've never seen warren say a mean thing about anyone
08:00 <YouTube> mrwuf, I found 2 matches to your query: Warren1984, Warren. Warren1984 ([email protected]) was last seen being kicked from #politicaldebate by ChanOP ( (ish) You are banned) 9 hours 44 minutes ago (23.11. 00:24), after spending 2 hours 26 minutes there.
09:00 <mrwuf> its probably a homosexual domination thing... or a meth thing...
09:00 <mrwuf> thanks YouTube 
10:00 <xm> he's too self-absorbed to be mean to others. sometimes when you really are the centre of the universe to yourself your attention span doesnt have room for anyone else
10:00 <xm> seen taco
10:00 <YouTube> xm, taco is on ## right now.
10:00 <PlanNineFromBirdsville> hmmm, is warren banned?
10:00 <xm> yes, damio did it last night
10:00 <PlanNineFromBirdsville> I'll undo it
11:00 <xm> i dont know how peoplke can have dogs full-time
11:00 <xm> im dog sitting my sister's dog
11:00 <Tigger_> `op
11:00 <xm> and it's so hyper it's frightening
11:00 <Tigger_> `listban **
11:00 <xm> it runs around and is all jumpy
11:00 <Tigger_> `unban *!*guest@*.tpgi.com.au 
11:00 <Tigger_> `unban  *!*Warren1984@*.tpgi.com.au
11:00 <xm> http://twentytwowords.com/maybe-not-all-cats-are-jerks-but-these-37-sure-are-hilarious/?re
11:00 <xm> on hte other hand...
12:00 <[DoC]> damio bans ppl for personal issues
12:00 <Tigger_> why did he ban warren?
12:00 <[DoC]> nfi
12:00 <xm> it's really weird watching animated GIFs and videos of cats clearly being naighty
13:00 <xm> it's a very deliberate move they do to be cheeky but it feels like there's a bit of curiousity to it... so more curiousity than malice
13:00 <Tigger_> I already told damio the rules about that
13:00 <[DoC]> damio is stupid
13:00 <xm> i told myself i will be getting a cat from teh shelter for myself at teh end of the year
13:00 <xm> it's coming up
14:00 <[DoC]> show off of powers
14:00 <xm> i rarely use my ops
14:00 <xm> other than to set topics
14:00 <[DoC]> thats good xm
14:00 <xm> it's very rare that you need to ban people
14:00 <xm> unless someone is flooding
14:00 <[DoC]> i agree
15:00 <xm> do you have any pets DoC?
15:00 <[DoC]> until then no one should be ban
15:00 <xm> i do know that damio has defriended warren on fb
15:00 <xm> it's war!
16:00 <xm> speaking of war, hitler is actually good at art
16:00 <[DoC]> he's a loser xm ..
16:00 <Tigger_> yes, flooding, harassing female members, and continuous malice are the only reasons to invoke banning, and the last one is hard to do, even skip doesn't get banned much
16:00 <mrwuf> I want to test youtube, 1 seen erratic 2 seen croweater 3 seen exem 4 seen ishmael 5 seen greensnake
16:00 <YouTube> mrwuf, please look a bit closer at the memberlist of this channel.
16:00 <mrwuf> ok he checks out
17:00 <xm> mrwuf: you wanted to know if it'd flood all o fthe sudden from one line of input?
17:00 <mrwuf> ya 
18:00 <Tigger_> good thinking
18:00 <[DoC]> what happens when an ICE agent is indicted for not following existing deportation laws?
18:00 <Tigger_> shane would go stupid if he could do that
18:00 <Tigger_> what is an ICE agent?
19:00 <[DoC]> i saw plivent abused xm but xm didnt ban that idiot 
19:00 <[DoC]> u're a good person xm thats what i like
19:00 <xm> ive gotten to hte point now i shared my pic with plivent
19:00 <xm> i just dont care anymore
19:00 <Tigger_> plivent is highly bannable, he's only tolerated if he tells us about his gay sex experiences in prison
19:00 <xm> and no one even cares
19:00 <xm> it's just a photo
20:00 <xm> and im detached from IRC now
20:00 <[DoC]> plivent make fake stories about everyone man
20:00 <xm> and anyone that is of interest to me, has seen it
20:00 <xm> i just like plivent around at times because he's funny withh the stories
20:00 <xm> do you pay attention to shads, [DoC] ?
20:00 <xm> he's hilarious at times as well
21:00 <xm> "the cure for baldness is imminent"
21:00 <[DoC]> heh yah i agree with u xm
21:00 <Tigger_> the line "I had hammeroids, so they agreed not to rape me that week" was gold
21:00 <xm> "i look like im 25"
21:00 <xm> plivent isnt as bad as people think
21:00 <Tigger_> they might be rapists, but they're not sadists
21:00 <xm> i despise 'normal' people the most
21:00 <[DoC]> but he abuses ppl so much xm
21:00 <[DoC]> he dont have any kinda manners
22:00 <[DoC]> how to behave, how to talk
22:00 <xm> this is what i wrote about normal people...
22:00 <Tigger_> he is bad, he is one of those people who take out their own failures and bitterness on everyone else
22:00 <[DoC]> agreed with Tigger_
22:00 <xm> To troll xm accuse him of being normal because he regards the certified sane bourgeoisie with their parochial mentality to be the banal polystyrene packaging of civilisation
22:00 <[DoC]> lol
23:00 <[DoC]> plivent is a peace of shit 
23:00 <xm> i.e. they think they create civilisation but they are at the periphery of it
23:00 <xm> a little bit of madness wont hurt ya sunshine
24:00 <xm> DoC, what were your previous nicks?
24:00 <xm> you seem to have come out of nowhere
24:00 <xm> you remind me of this guy that used to come and go with proxies and hardly talk
24:00 <Tigger_> wm
24:00 <xm> but he was a bit paranoid which you arent really
25:00 <xm> yes, there is wm but there is another one too
25:00 <xm> he was always using TOR
25:00 <xm> wm used iinet too
25:00 <[DoC]> yeah xm they use lame proxies to come out n abuse ppl again n again
25:00 <Tigger_> I thought austnet banned most TOR nodes
25:00 <xm> they have by now
26:00 <xm> this is ages ago
26:00 <xm> literally years
26:00 <[DoC]> xm, but they are still coming back by using proxies
27:00 <xm> there are ways to get rid of them but it would involve a little programming
27:00 <xm> programming that factors in timing, type of nicknames, also netsplits
27:00 <xm> origin of IPs
28:00 <[DoC]> they are coming with new IPs new nicks 
28:00 <xm> if heaps of IPs come in during a certain time from everywhere then it's likely it's an attack. but you can still get focused attacks with several nicknames 
28:00 <xm> yes, there is still things you can do to mitigate
28:00 <xm> are*
28:00 <xm> plus the repetiton in the lines
30:00 <[DoC]> indeed xm
31:00 <[DoC]> http://www.cleveland.com/nation/index.ssf/2009/08/national_health_care_debate_ha.html goes back in earnest to 1912(lost generation)
32:00 <[DoC]> ill bbs
32:00 <[DoC]> gonna watch movie, brb.
33:00 <Tigger_> this US health care issue got ramped up in earnest after price controls from the Roosevelt era prevented employers from offering higher wages to attract high talent employees, so they offered fringe benefits such as health care instead
33:00 <Tigger_> and over the decades that got politicised
33:00 <Tigger_> it's an interesting example of how one market distortion causes another, then another, etc.
34:00 <Tigger_> that is, FDR Roosevelt, not Theodore
38:00 <[DoC]> fox & msnbc have both gotten in trouble over the years for intentionally editing to try to make their interviewers/guests look less stupid
55:00 <mrwuf> http://imgur.com/gallery/nP4e5
58:00 <Tigger_> that makes no sense at all
59:00 <Tigger_> and if it works on emus, how was this discovered?
59:00 <[DoC]> Is Hannity’s show live? If not, I’ve gotta admit I’m surprised fox aired it
00:00 <Tigger_> I don't know that show
02:00 <[DoC]> Tigger_, The health coverage problem is really one of complex, modern medicine.
02:00 <[DoC]> but yeah as u said its politicised.
02:00 <Tigger_> I have a solution
03:00 <[DoC]> what is it?
03:00 <Tigger_> everyone put $50 a week into a savings account for their entire life, and use that to pay for any health care they need
03:00 <[DoC]> in fact, universal health coverage doesn't go back originally to politics at all. goes back to the Oddfellows.
04:00 <Tigger_> as in the Masonic retirement homes?
05:00 <[DoC]> we place dea to collect taxes on production, consumption, in country. 
05:00 <croweater> 50 dollars aweek wont cover a lot of surgery 
06:00 <[DoC]> thats a good idea Tigger_ but still that woudlnt be enough i think so
07:00 <croweater>  Hip replacement $36,432
07:00 <croweater> – Knee replacement $24,347
07:00 <croweater> – Natural childbirth $7,109
07:00 <croweater> – Caesarean birth $10,163
07:00 <croweater> – Appendectomy $12,264
07:00 <croweater> – Spinal surgery (with rehab) $51,484
07:00 <croweater> – Pacemaker $23,201
07:00 <croweater> – Coronary bypass (with rehab) $51,146
07:00 <croweater> – Angiograft and valve surgery $105,467
07:00 <[DoC]> so much expensive :\
07:00 <Tigger_> with a now free market in medical care, in that the patient negotiates directly with doctors, with no middlemen fees, the prices will drop dramatically
08:00 <Tigger_> eg. like Thailand or Eastern Europe, which are much cheaper, and frequently superior
11:00 <[DoC]> people interested in marijuana didn’t have much motivation to go to the poles, because pot had effectively already been legal at so many places and the folks making money on the medical-marijuana side of things opposed full recreational legalizatin..
12:00 <[DoC]> that is the other problem, pot is the go-to drug, so the push to legalize drugs in general is way toned down.
14:00 <Tigger_> yes, no doubt there'll be another movement to legalise another drug, then another, etc.
14:00 <[DoC]> 12 year old kids on pot high on pot having oral sex is what america is doing also..
14:00 <flagen> Hello Big Internet Bully's This is the one and only PZ your sworn enemy
14:00 <flagen> of IRC. I might say I don't care about what people's IPs and stuff are
14:00 <flagen> on this server I pay no attention to it, but you certainly do, seeing
14:00 <flagen> as though there have been bans in #melbourne that have been there for months
14:00 <flagen> and you're always looking at my TPG static to know if it's me or not this server does care
14:00 <flagen> about what people's IPs are and so does some of its users...I'll catch
14:00 <flagen> up with you some more about this have a shit day Big Internet Bully's of
14:00 <flagen> Austnet.
14:00 <Tigger_> morning Shane
15:00 <Tigger_> this is the first time you've come with a prepared rant
15:00 <flagen> Hello Tigger_ Big internet bully
15:00 <Tigger_> #pd tolerates you far more than any other channel
16:00 <flagen> ishmael banned me last night for no reason.
16:00 <bee_girl> ishmael wasn't even on here last night
16:00 <flagen> I will ignore what ever he says in the future.
16:00 <flagen> bee_girl, Lies.
16:00 <flagen> You are internet bullys
16:00 <Tigger_> ishmael was on, he banned warren too
16:00 <flagen> Tigger_, So you going to let him ban warren aswell ?
17:00 <bee_girl> oh i take it all back
17:00 <Tigger_> no I removed the ban on warren
17:00 <flagen> why do you let him have access ?
17:00 <flagen> Austnet is very very bullyish
18:00 <flagen> considering there is NO channels on this server anymore because of people like you who run channels and ban me
18:00 <flagen> because im the only one who talks on here
18:00 <flagen> and you want to shutdown my free speech
18:00 <Tigger_> there would be even fewer channels if you weren't banned
18:00 <mrwuf> austnet is run and maintained at a cost and provided to you for free, if you don't like it try another server
19:00 <flagen> Austnet was big back in the day but people like you who run channels like this ruined it on purpose setting bans on the old skool users thats why #perth has like no one in it now but back in the day was nearly 300 people in it at one time
20:00 <flagen> maybe if you were a bit nicer to people you would get more users.
20:00 <mrwuf> wb Warren1984 
20:00 <flagen> but if you want to treat people like shit on here then thats why austnet will die.
20:00 <mrwuf> flagon, maybe people just don't like you
20:00 <Tigger_> Shane, tired of your self-pity
20:00 <Tigger_> hi Warren1984 
20:00 <Warren1984> thanks mrwuf
20:00 <flagen> mrwuf, Ok Mr Internet bully man
20:00 <flagen> what else you got
21:00 <bee_girl> flagen - Tigger_ is pretty tolerant ... he puts up with shit in here I wouldn't... #pd is probably ur best bet for free speech around here
21:00 <flagen> I wasn't even talking in here last night i said hello to Lo in ## and ishmael whoised me saw my static IP knew it was me and banned me from here im just stating a fact
21:00 <mrwuf> flagon, start your own channel and invite your friends, then you call the shots bro
22:00 <Warren1984> mrwuf is actually a good person with some wise & positive criticism
22:00 <Tigger_> `listban **
22:00 <Warren1984> hey be
22:00 <Warren1984> bee_girl
22:00 <Tigger_> Shane, you're not banned now
22:00 <flagen> I will be when that homo comes back
22:00 <bee_girl> morning Warren1984
22:00 <flagen> why dont you just remove his access he even banned warren
22:00 <flagen> Tigger_, How can you let him ban warren ?
22:00 <flagen> forget about my ban
22:00 <flagen> but to ban warren ?
23:00 <flagen> Glenn, Incorrect the server gives the same MASKED address
23:00 <flagen> so once again you say something that isn't true
23:00 <Tigger_> Shane, I was asleep when that happened
23:00 <flagen> or you blatantly lie
23:00 <flagen> anyway i have to write this thing
24:00 <mrwuf> http://www.fenixlighting.com/products/fenix-e05ss-led-flashlight.aspx this torch is awesome
24:00 <flagen> Glenn, Its the same MASKED address austnet doesn't give you a new mask
25:00 <flagen> i shouldn't have to use vpns and proxys and crap 
25:00 <flagen> yeah
25:00 <flagen> when did i say it didn't remain a masked address
25:00 <flagen> DO YOU THINK IM STUPID ?
26:00 <flagen> so you just want to have a go at me
26:00 <flagen> for wanting to have IRC
26:00 <flagen> i mean why can't i have IRC whats the problem is this world such an evil place that they try to destory some poor guys IRC channels
27:00 <mrwuf> flagon you seem rather apt at starting arguments - that will only make people dislike you, how well versed are you at making friends?
27:00 <flagen> Glenn, Once again you target me
27:00 <Tigger_> Shane, behave yourself and you don't get banned.  simple as that
27:00 <flagen> Tigger_, I was behaving myself and that guy just attacks me
28:00 <flagen> I have a right to be here like anyone else don't single me out as being of lower value
28:00 <mrwuf> shane is usually such a kind, calm, fun fellow to talk too, I don't know what has gotten into him today, is everything alright mate?
28:00 <Tigger_> that is a cool torch, I want one
28:00 <flagen> what torch
28:00 <mrwuf> 85lumens from a single AAA is next level 
28:00 <Tigger_> <mrwuf> http://www.fenixlighting.com/products/fenix-e05ss-led-flashlight.aspx this torch is awesome
28:00 <Tigger_> no price listed though
29:00 <flagen> i got my torch from the supermarket big everready dolphin one
29:00 <mrwuf> I picked one up for $38 from china inc shipping
29:00 <flagen> and extra batterys
29:00 <flagen> torches are a must have
29:00 <Tigger_> I really need a little torch in every room, in case the power goes out
30:00 <flagen> just get a really powerful one and keep it with you at all times especailly at night time
30:00 <mrwuf> flagon this pocket sized torch is about on par with your dolphin in respect to lumens
31:00 <flagen> https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.masters.com.au%2Fmedia%2FMASTERS%2FProduct%2F1000x1000%2F902445138_0_9999_v1_m56577569831180880.jpg&f=1
31:00 <flagen> thats my one
31:00 <mrwuf> cool
31:00 <flagen> get them at the supermarket
31:00 <flagen> IGA
31:00 <flagen> i got the biggest one there was a smaller one aswell
32:00 <Tigger_> seems like all torches are LED these days
32:00 <flagen> if the power ran out my laptop would still keep going for a few hours
33:00 <flagen> i remember when i was living at a friends house and the power went out i was connection sharing off dialup with my laptop and i was still on IRC but his PC went out was funny
33:00 <Warren1984> why not get a backup generator?
33:00 <[DoC]> A North Korean student with family ties to the regime in his country escaped a kidnapping bid in Paris, where he was studying, and is now in hiding, a French source with knowledge of the case said Saturday.  The architecture student, identified only as Han, avoided the kidnapping attempt at a Paris airport where he was to be put on a plane for Pyongyang, North Korea's capital, said 
33:00 <[DoC]> the source, who spoke on condition of anonymity because the person was not authorized to speak publicly on the sensitive matter.
33:00 <flagen> Warren1984, because if the power goes out its usually only for an hour or so
33:00 <xm> $0.88 for PS/2->USB (i have existing PS/2 keyboard)  or $15 for a USB keyboard
33:00 <xm> choice is simple
34:00 <xm> you know these Synology drives are quite slow
34:00 <[DoC]> Weird News..
34:00 <flagen> i don't use hard drives
34:00 <flagen> i use USB sticks
34:00 <Warren1984> flagen Tigger_ is a Dr and can't afford for his power to shut down
35:00 <xm> lol Warren1984 
35:00 <flagen> i lost some money somewhere in my house and can't find it
35:00 <Warren1984> what if he has to do open heart surgery
35:00 <Warren1984> on his horse
36:00 <flagen> do generators run off petrol
36:00 <flagen> ive never had one
36:00 <flagen> but they would be noisey
36:00 <Warren1984> I pushed myself hard in the swimming pool yesterday
36:00 <flagen> public swimming pool ?
37:00 <Warren1984> and went to sleep without melatonin and temazepam
37:00 <Warren1984> yeah
37:00 <Warren1984> indoor heated public swimming pool
37:00 <flagen> why not go to the beach
37:00 <Warren1984> too far away
38:00 <flagen> not for me
38:00 <flagen> i always go
38:00 <flagen> in summer
38:00 <flagen> to Trigg
38:00 <flagen> with my bodyboard
39:00 <Warren1984> it's so tempting to go back to bed
39:00 <[DoC]> "U.S. troops in Afghanistan may once again engage Taliban fighters, not just al-Qaida terrorists, under new guidelines quietly approved by President Barack Obama, administration officials say." <----- Barry, Nobel is calling. - http://townhall.com/news/politics-elections/2014/11/22/ap-sources-obama-broadens-mission-in-afghanistan-n1922492
39:00 <Warren1984> I have some Afghanistan friends
39:00 <flagen> they just bombed syria and killed 910 people or something
39:00 <flagen> when will it stop
39:00 <Warren1984> never flagen
39:00 <Tigger_> look out Warren1984, Afghans are notoriously gay
39:00 <flagen> its worse than the vietnam war
40:00 <[DoC]> lol Tigger_
40:00 <flagen> i met a nice afghan taxi driver once
40:00 <flagen> he didn't seem gay at all
41:00 <Warren1984> bee_girl would you put up with my shit?
41:00 <bee_girl> ur shit isnt that bad Warren1984, you aren't a nasty hater, thats about all i can't stand
41:00 <flagen> my dad never found out he was adopted until his parents died
41:00 <flagen> how mean is that
42:00 <flagen> thats what they leave in their will
42:00 <flagen> "you're adopted"
42:00 <Tigger_> really?  that must've been a hard blow
42:00 <Warren1984> thanks bee_girl
43:00 <flagen> so he had to go apply this thing or something to find out who his real parents were
43:00 <xm> flagen: depressing
43:00 <Warren1984> bee_girl do you have a job atm or are you looking for one?
43:00 <bee_girl> i have a full time job Warren1984 but im currently working part time hours
43:00 <flagen> he found out his dad played in the French Symphony Orchestra
43:00 <Warren1984> oh I thought you were on D$P
43:00 <bee_girl> nope
43:00 <flagen> they would be dead now seeing my parents were born in the 1950s
44:00 <Tigger_> bee_girl, when will you be getting on D$P?
44:00 <flagen> Warren1984, You have it pretty good on DSP
44:00 <flagen> u get about 800 a fortnight or something ?
44:00 <Warren1984> brettingham said he will give me $200,000 to get my business started with a 5% stake
44:00 <flagen> Warren1984, hes talking shit
44:00 <Warren1984> yeah flagen
44:00 <flagen> youre lucky you are on DSP
45:00 <bee_girl> dont think i would meet eligibility criteria for some time Tigger_
45:00 <Warren1984> or your ex-husband/bf is on the D$P?
45:00 <Warren1984> bee_girl is your health getting worse?
45:00 <bee_girl> my health is fine
46:00 <bee_girl> i work at centrelink as a social worker...
46:00 <flagen> what about your mental health
46:00 <bee_girl> thats debatable
46:00 <flagen> i wonder how people survive without centrelink and no job
47:00 <Warren1984> [08:44] <@Tigger_> bee_girl, when will you be getting on D$P? [08:45] <bee_girl> dont think i would meet eligibility criteria for some time Tigger_ -> sounds like you are progressing to D$P
47:00 <Warren1984> flagen by hunting and gathering
47:00 <flagen> begging ?
47:00 <bee_girl> ah well maybe when im old and decrepit
48:00 <flagen> you have to wait ages to get an old age pension now
48:00 <Warren1984> which reminds me, I need to get back into fishing
48:00 <flagen> unless youre on DSP when you get old you won't even be able to get an old age pension
48:00 <flagen> the economy is going to go sour in the next 10 years
49:00 <Warren1984> and catch something that is edible and big enough to eat
49:00 <flagen> Warren1984, yeah man
49:00 <Tigger_> how much have you spent on fishing gear so far warren?
49:00 <flagen> Warren1984, if you want to catch fish you gotta go out on a boat man
50:00 <flagen> you can get fishing tour companys that take you out
50:00 <flagen> my friend caught this huge hammer head shark once and it was the first time he had ever been fishing
50:00 <flagen> from a boat
52:00 <Warren1984> maybe I can make a fishing friend, who has a boat
52:00 <flagen> there is that place at hillarys
53:00 <flagen> you go in and book a time and they take you out on a massive boat
53:00 <Warren1984> I would love to have a 4w4 and go up north and down south to go fishing
53:00 <Warren1984> a ferry?
53:00 <flagen> nah
53:00 <flagen> actual boats
54:00 <flagen> i know one guy with a boat he took me to rottnest island on it
54:00 <flagen> we stole bicycles and rode them around
54:00 <flagen> i nearly ran over a quokka
57:00 <flagen> Warren1984, You should buy a boat
58:00 <flagen> then you can store all your fishing gear on your boat
58:00 <Tigger_> flagen, buy a boat and let warren use it
58:00 <flagen> i can't afford to buy a boat
58:00 <flagen> im poor
59:00 <Tigger_> you could beg for it
00:00 <flagen> i need to take care of smaller things in my life first while im still alive
00:00 <flagen> a boat is out of the question
01:00 <flagen> i need to have a shave
01:00 <flagen> haven't shaved in a week or so
01:00 <flagen> growing a beard
02:00 <Warren1984> Tigger_ was going to buy me a boat, but he didn't follow through
03:00 <flagen> It would be awsome to own a boat and rent out a spot at hillarys and keep it there
03:00 <flagen> then you could just make the boat a second home
03:00 <Tigger_> how much is a boat you can live in?
04:00 <flagen> u can get second hand ones for under 100k
04:00 <Warren1984> until we get the capitol to run our own lolly shop warehouse
04:00 <flagen> if you spent 100k you would get a very good one
04:00 <flagen> but under that you get smaller ones
04:00 <flagen> not as expensive as a house
04:00 <flagen> 50k or something 
04:00 <flagen> its fuck all really
05:00 <Tigger_> cheaper than a house
05:00 <Warren1984> yeah it's just a waste of money
05:00 <Warren1984> better to own a lolly shop warehouse
05:00 <flagen> money is all people talk about mostly because they don't have enough of it
06:00 <Warren1984> because money and the things money can buy are concrete and easier to achieve than abstract goals
06:00 <flagen> but to achieve even small goals you need to have money
07:00 <Warren1984> yeah true
07:00 <flagen> most people that have a lot in life have had very good luck and worked very hard
08:00 <flagen> but thats life
09:00 <bee_girl> have a lot? as in materially?
09:00 <flagen> bee_girl, yer well own your own house
09:00 <flagen> even to own your own house in perth these days most of them are up around the $800,000 mark
09:00 <bee_girl> looking back on life ppl don't count their assets as a measure of success
10:00 <Tigger_> don't they
10:00 <Tigger_> ?
10:00 <flagen> owning your own home is good makes you very secure
10:00 <flagen> renting is a death trap
11:00 <flagen> bee_girl, they do
12:00 <bee_girl> well i suppose if your life is caught up in always wanting more then i guess thats where u end up
12:00 <flagen> bee_girl, some people will take all their money and spend it on gambling and prostitutes others will invest it and try to pay off a house
13:00 <flagen> bee_girl, Wanting a place to live? have you ever had to sleep on the street ?
13:00 <flagen> lots of people who have to sleep on the street everynight 
13:00 <Tigger_> I'm afraid that's true
14:00 <flagen> im not saying its about being greedy
14:00 <flagen> just having a place to live is a god bless
15:00 <bee_girl> flagen ppl dont just live on the street... there are always other factors that contribute to that...
15:00 <Tigger_> not anymore, poverty is a cause of homelessness now, not just being a schizophrenic
15:00 <flagen> bee_girl, I know there are places that help the homeless yes other factors well what if your parents abandoned you ?
15:00 <flagen> left you 
15:00 <bee_girl> thats what i mean
15:00 <bee_girl> ppl don't choose to live on the street
16:00 <bee_girl> everyone wants a safe place for themselves to sleep and to have a constant space to live in
16:00 <flagen> of course not but sometimes they just become used to it and even find it hard to live in a home
16:00 <flagen> after awhile of being homeless you just begin to take it as a way of life
16:00 <bee_girl> true
17:00 <flagen> its actually quite sad
17:00 <bee_girl> there is a big difference between 'always wanting more' and 'wanting  a place to live'
17:00 <flagen> in some cases
17:00 <bee_girl> im not saying they are the same
17:00 <bee_girl> i think u think i am
17:00 <flagen> well yeh
18:00 <bee_girl> im a social worker - i know all about the most vulnerable and disadvantaged, that's who i work with
18:00 <flagen> yeah but social workers can't really help people
18:00 <flagen> all they can do is talk
18:00 <bee_girl> well i agree to an extent
18:00 <bee_girl> however depending on where u work u can make a difference
18:00 <flagen> sometimes they can offer places to go for help
18:00 <flagen> but really you have to do it urself
18:00 <flagen> no ones going to help you
18:00 <flagen> they cant
19:00 <bee_girl> its true and  self-determination is something we are always trying to facilitate, making ppl dependant on u  is a fail
19:00 <Tigger_> generally it's safer to sleep on the street than in the shelters were violent types rule the roost
19:00 <Tigger_> *where
19:00 <bee_girl> yeah a lot of ppl refuse referalls to emergency accommodation for that reason
19:00 <flagen> i should go out with my resume soon and apply for a good job
21:00 <flagen> Tigger_, not always but if you hang around too long they will get to know you and probably end up having a confrontation ive slept at a few of these places when i was on the street
21:00 <Tigger_> did any of them attack you?
22:00 <Jones> PISSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
23:00 <flagen> Tigger_, Not at the homeless places i just had one guy yell at me but i've been attacked by people on the street in the city before
23:00 <Tigger_> yobbos on meth
23:00 <flagen> maoris
23:00 <flagen> abos
24:00 <flagen> u just gotta be street smart
24:00 <flagen> cause most these people on the street you have to watch out for
25:00 <flagen> they are just looking to rob people
28:00 <flagen> so Tigger_ 
28:00 <flagen> what did you think about my prepared rant
28:00 <Tigger_> the govt probably just dumps ex-prisoners in homeless shelters, similarly they dump them in psychiatric hospitals
28:00 <flagen> much easier to escape from a mental hospital than a real prison
28:00 <flagen> and you could always say you are cured and get out sooner
29:00 <flagen> i think you serve less time in a mental hospital than a real prison
29:00 <Tigger_> these bullies of which you speak do not exist
29:00 <flagen> i did a week in greylands in 2008
30:00 <mrwuf> was it for robbery
30:00 <flagen> in the end i kind of felt like staying there
30:00 <flagen> i swear they drug the hot milos
30:00 <flagen> everynight they would give us a hot milo we would line up for them and i would get tired very quickly 
30:00 <flagen> they only let you outside for 1 hour a day
30:00 <Tigger_> drugs to make you not want to leave
30:00 <flagen> mrwuf, agravatted burglary with intent in dwelling
31:00 <mrwuf> milk before bed makes you sleepy
31:00 <mrwuf> why were you stealing
31:00 <flagen> nope
31:00 <flagen> didn't steal anything just tried to break in
32:00 <flagen> it was an abandoned house
32:00 <flagen> but i ended up cutting my finger there and leaving blood and cops had my DNA from charges before
32:00 <flagen> so i got raided by CIB
33:00 <Tigger_> wow, you were actually caught by DNA?
33:00 <flagen> yes
33:00 <flagen> once
33:00 <mrwuf> so you broke into a house with a weapon?
33:00 <Tigger_> you must've been up to something bad, as they don't do DNA tests without good reason, they're too expensive
33:00 <mrwuf> aggravated means he was armed
33:00 <mrwuf> unless Im mistaken 
33:00 <Tigger_> ah
33:00 <flagen> i have about 30 charges all up im on a 9 months suspended scentance now in 2008 i got a 4 year suspended scentance but thats ran out now
34:00 <flagen> mrwuf, yeah i have weapons charges
34:00 <mrwuf> so why were you breaking into homes armed
34:00 <mrwuf> to steal things I presume?
34:00 <flagen> posessed prohibited weapon x3
34:00 <flagen> i never got into the house
34:00 <mrwuf> what did you need quick money for? 
34:00 <flagen> i left after i cut my finger trying to open the window and it shattered
35:00 <flagen> i was just curious at the abandoned house
35:00 <mrwuf> I don't care for your excuses
35:00 <flagen> well i was on drugs if thats what youre asking
35:00 <mrwuf> agh right
35:00 <mrwuf> so now are you still using drugs?
35:00 <flagen> yes
35:00 <mrwuf> right
36:00 <mrwuf> have you thought about the path using drugs is taking you on, and possibly considered changing direction
36:00 <flagen> my last charge was for threats to kill i moved it from one court to another saying i had charges at that court aswell because that court could have given me 7 years for threatening to shoot a corrective services officer
37:00 <mrwuf> I realise drugs are fun, but they have all sorts of 'hidden' costs 
37:00 <mrwuf> meth makes people extremely paranoid, have you noticed anything like that?
37:00 <mrwuf> yes making a threat is against the law, so is stealing
38:00 <flagen> criminal damage they could have given me 3 years i got a community based order but breached that went back and got fined was lucky cause the judge let me off easy
38:00 <mrwuf> well the drug path will no doubt led you back to prison again and again, as Im sure you are already aware
38:00 <flagen> i was pretty lucky to end up with suspended scentances, fines, and orders
39:00 <flagen> mrwuf, well i dont do any crime
39:00 <flagen> not anymore
39:00 <flagen> If i am charged with just 1 thing i go to prison cause of the suspended scentance
39:00 <mrwuf> why do you think you need drugs?
40:00 <flagen> its makes life easier to deal with
40:00 <mrwuf> by your own account it seems to make life much more difficult
41:00 <flagen> thats how it ends up yer
42:00 <bee_girl> mrwuf - ur making a few generalisations/assumptions there re drug use
42:00 <bee_girl> and addiction
43:00 <flagen> well it is an addiction
43:00 <flagen> i have tried fighting it
43:00 <bee_girl> ive been there, was there for a long time....
43:00 <mrwuf> I am familiar with many drugs
43:00 <bee_girl> lots of high functioning addicts out there
43:00 <flagen> im basically a heroin addict
44:00 <mrwuf> have you ever tried mushrooms?
45:00 <flagen> once yer but they didn't do anything
46:00 <mrwuf> mushrooms helped me overcome my addictions
46:00 <Warren1984> can't you subsitute your addiction with something else
46:00 <Warren1984> i.e. exercise
46:00 <mrwuf> thats a great idea 
46:00 <Warren1984> bbl
47:00 <mrwuf> do you even lift brah 
47:00 <flagen> i have a seriously bad smoking problem 
48:00 <flagen> i used to smoke a lot of weed
48:00 <mrwuf> switch to gaping
48:00 <mrwuf> vaping*
48:00 <flagen> yeah 
48:00 <flagen> but really its nothing particular im addicted to just inhaling smoke itself
48:00 <mrwuf> a pack a week of ciggs is about $1,200 a year, buying liquid nicotine online works out about $100 a year
49:00 <flagen> maybe but i should just go cold turkey
49:00 <flagen> find a hobby i like
49:00 <mrwuf> not only is it cheaper but your clothes won't smell like tobacco and your lungs will thank you
49:00 <flagen> also an alcoholic
50:00 <mrwuf> take up gym
50:00 <flagen> i asked to join the gym but it was a personal trainer one
50:00 <flagen> i have to find another
50:00 <mrwuf> once you become focused on becoming stronger you will naturally seek to remove those things from your environment that are holding you up
50:00 <flagen> mrwuf, I used to do kung fu
50:00 <flagen> i should join the kung fu school again
50:00 <Tigger_> drug users also torture animals when they're high
50:00 <flagen> but would have to go cold turkey no smoking for months before
50:00 <flagen> i have never tortured animals
51:00 <Tigger_> you just can't remember it
51:00 <flagen> nope
51:00 <flagen> i never
51:00 <Tigger_> you did
51:00 <flagen> i didn't
51:00 <flagen> i have never bought harm onto anyone unless it was in self defense like a fight with another human
52:00 <mrwuf> why not just buy some adjustable dumbbells from big w for like $25
52:00 <mrwuf> workout while you irc
52:00 <flagen> yer i got stuff here already
52:00 <flagen> i can use
52:00 <flagen> im gonna start going down the beach trying to get back into surfing, bodyboarding
53:00 <flagen> i used to skateboard but im getting a bit old for that now
53:00 <flagen> i used to be able to olly about 4 metres in the air
53:00 <mrwuf> true
54:00 <flagen> that was when i was like 12
54:00 <mrwuf> cool
54:00 <flagen> its much easier to skateboard when your smaller and light
54:00 <mrwuf> kung fu sounds cool
54:00 <flagen> im much taller and heavier now
54:00 <mrwuf> weight lifting is pretty fun too
55:00 <mrwuf> yeah alcohol makes people fat
55:00 <mrwuf> I just avoid it tbh 
55:00 <flagen> mrwuf, yer kung fu im turquoise belt in choy lay buk fok sing 
55:00 <flagen> northern shaolin
55:00 <mrwuf> if I go to the pub I drink lemon squash 
56:00 <flagen> i dont go to pubs much anymore
56:00 <flagen> used to
56:00 <mrwuf> yea neither sometimes its unavoidable 
56:00 <flagen> i would always blow my pay cheque at the pub
56:00 <bee_girl> how old r u flagen?
56:00 <bee_girl> if u dot mind me asking
56:00 <bee_girl> :)
56:00 <flagen> 28
56:00 <bee_girl> so young!
56:00 <flagen> not really
56:00 <bee_girl> im 37
57:00 <flagen> some would say that is also young
57:00 <bee_girl> i started smoking weed when i was 28
57:00 <flagen> not even 40 yet
57:00 <bee_girl> only quit this year
57:00 <flagen> i don't think it matters how old you are its just about being healthy
57:00 <bee_girl> its true. but weed didnt help me achieve much during that 10 years
58:00 <flagen> people say weed isn't addictive thats a load of bullshit i was addicted to it when i was younger
58:00 <flagen> i am still addicted to it
58:00 <Tigger_> why start at 28?
59:00 <bee_girl> its a good question Tigger_ - i had a peeping tom and a robber and couldnt sleep, 1st year uni holidays someone came over with some weed and i found sleep...
59:00 <flagen> but they can legally sell synthetic cannabis which is laced with chemicals worse than heroin and cigarettes tobacco
59:00 <bee_girl> i think i had like ptsd or anxiety or something after the peeping tom/robber incident... now i look back
59:00 <flagen> weed is harmless until is takes over your life
00:00 <bee_girl> yeah man in the end i was smoking over a half oz each week
00:00 <bee_girl> super costly too
00:00 <Tigger_> how much is it?
00:00 <flagen> like some uni kids just smoking on the weekends thats harmless but to get someone who is smoking everyday constantly 
00:00 <bee_girl> it was costing me about $200 a week
00:00 <flagen> a oz usually goes for about 300 
00:00 <Tigger_> that sure is a lot
00:00 <flagen> in the old days
00:00 <Tigger_> quaint that they still use imperial measurements
00:00 <bee_girl> yeah where i live its a bit more expensive... and if u buy it by teh half its a bit more
01:00 <bee_girl> it is a bit
01:00 <flagen> i used to get 4 sticks for $75
01:00 <Tigger_> I thought it would be free around Nimbin
01:00 <mrwuf> with a cupboard, a small LED grow light, and a carbon scrubber/fan, you could grow your own weed for about $50 worth of power a month, producing 1oz/month
01:00 <flagen> nimbin is like the capital of weed for Australia
01:00 <flagen> where all the hippies live
01:00 <flagen> but not much weed there
02:00 <Tigger_> I suppose most drug users end up having to commit crimes or work in the sex industry to pay for it
02:00 <mrwuf> aside from the health aspects thats the real cost of drugs, poverty 
03:00 <flagen> i used to know some weed dealers that were only like 18 years old and they were putting deposits on houses they were making that much selling weed out of their mums houses
03:00 <Tigger_> flagen, did you ever have to go into prostitution?
04:00 <flagen> no
04:00 <Tigger_> so just crime
04:00 <flagen> i never made anything from the crimes
04:00 <flagen> not much anyway
04:00 <flagen> not like im still living off the proceeds
05:00 <flagen> its all gone now
05:00 <flagen> i made very stupid decisions and i could have been much much more futher in life by now
06:00 <Tigger_> I suppose you got off lucky, you could've gotten AIDS
06:00 <flagen> how would i get AIDS
07:00 <flagen> lol people dont get AIDS in Australia
07:00 <Tigger_> from the prostitution for drugs
07:00 <Tigger_> or sharing needles
07:00 <flagen> only an idiot would share a needle and i never prostituted
08:00 <flagen> needles are so cheap why would you share one ?
08:00 <flagen> a fit pack is what like 15 bux and you get like 10 needles or something
08:00 <Tigger_> but people do though
08:00 <mrwuf> in australia one in ten gay men have hiv
10:00 <flagen> im not gay
10:00 <Tigger_> if you're going to share needles, always wear a condom
10:00 <flagen> lol what do condoms have to do with needles
10:00 <flagen> Tigger_, If you're going to use a needle always draw the blood from your vein first then shoot it in
11:00 <Tigger_> why?
11:00 <flagen> thats how they do it in the hospitals when they put you on a DRIP
11:00 <flagen> thats how you do it
11:00 <flagen> Tigger_, Also flick the needle and make sure there is no air bubbles
11:00 <flagen> but going into ur veins in the blood stream it makes the drug last longer and better high
12:00 <flagen> its actually harmless they do it in hospitals to put you on a DRIP
12:00 <flagen> probably more healthier to shoot up a drug than swallow or smoke it
13:00 <flagen> last time i was in the hospital i was gettin high just off the water goin in my veins it was fun
14:00 <flagen> but the needles they use for the drips in hospital are much bigger than the needles from the chemist so it hurts ya arm really bad
14:00 <flagen> average needle from chemist is like fuckall compared to those big hospital ones
19:00 <flagen> i think they also put this thing around your arm to measure your heart rate
20:00 <flagen> and then have water going into your veins to keep you alive
28:00 <Tigger_> I wonder how much is spent a year to treat drug addiction
30:00 <flagen> there are certain charity ran organisations and government funded who help people
31:00 <flagen> not like we're in a third world country
31:00 <flagen> where you wouldn't get nuffin lol
31:00 <flagen> apparently the prisons in north korea the prisoners there only get like 1 bowl of rice a day thats it
38:00 <Tigger_> I wonder why the libertarians who support legalising drugs don't similarly advocate cutting govt funded rehab services
38:00 <Tigger_> since the latter is a taxpayer subsidy
40:00 <flagen> Hello Big Internet Bully's This is the one and only PZ your sworn enemy of IRC. I might say I don't care about what people's IPs and stuff are on this server I pay no attention to it, but you certainly do, seeing as though there have been bans in #melbourne that have been there for months and you're always looking at my TPG static to know if it's me or not this server does care about what people's IPs are and so does some of its users..
40:00 <flagen> ie: ishmael a known predator
40:00 <flagen> Why does ishmael still have ops after banning myself and warren last night for no reason ?
41:00 <Tigger_> I will talk to him
41:00 <flagen> Tigger_, Just tell him he has to have a reason before banning someone
42:00 <Tigger_> I shall
42:00 <flagen> Tigger_, I don't even know him he came on here i was here before him and all of a sudden he just hates me
42:00 <flagen> Tigger_, im just saying
43:00 <Tigger_> I said I will talk to him
43:00 <mrwuf> its so hot
44:00 <Tigger_> mrwuf, are you in QLD?
44:00 <mrwuf> yea gladstone
44:00 <Tigger_> thought so
44:00 <mrwuf> its 32c in my bedroom 
45:00 <Tigger_> got an a/c?
45:00 <mrwuf> not here only in the lounge 
45:00 <Tigger_> camp in the lounge
46:00 <mrwuf> then I'd have to put clothes on
46:00 <mrwuf> the internet is way faster here anyway
47:00 <flagen> http://www.infowars.com/91497/
49:00 <mrwuf> alex jones is not trust worthy, I would assign him the same amount of credibility as Bill O'Reliey, they are essentially identical in what they do
51:00 <mrwuf> they both attempt to represent two popular opposing viewpoints, the less you read of them the better off you are
52:00 <mrwuf> I like reddit world news http://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/
52:00 <mrwuf> for local ABC http://www.abc.net.au/news/justin/
53:00 <mrwuf> alternative https://news.vice.com/
53:00 <mrwuf> strange http://www.fark.com
59:00 <brettingham1boshMVP> lloololllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll
59:00 <Tigger_> Thousands of people have turned out at Melbourne's Federation Square to protest against the Federal Government's ABC funding cut.
59:00 <Tigger_> It is one in a series of public demonstrations scheduled to take place across the country in response to the decision to cut $254 million from the broadcaster's funding over the next five years.
59:00 <Tigger_> About 2,000 people took part in the Melbourne rally after thousands gathered in Sydney on Saturday.
59:00 <Tigger_> this is why the LNP should've cut billions from the ABC budget, they'd still have the same number of protestors
59:00 <brettingham1boshMVP> wheres lish monger, lebrick loses again
00:00 <bee_girl> what u got against the abc Tigger_?
01:00 <Tigger_> that they don't need to exist
03:00 <bee_girl> why do you think that?
04:00 <IvanTheBastard> the fact that it now an unbiased institution only catoring to news and ideas that favor the left?
04:00 <bee_girl> flagen - New revw of 20 yrs of research confirms that desire for financial success is associated w/poorer well-being http://psycnet.apa.org/journals/psp/107/5/879/
04:00 <IvanTheBastard> now a biased* even
04:00 <bee_girl> well if it is biased to the left that would provide some balance to the rest of mainstream media
04:00 <Tigger_> the ABC is an anachronism in the era of the internet, anyone can start a news site, it's not like the era in which the ABC was first created where there had to be massive capital expenditure to set up broadcasting
04:00 <flagen> .
05:00 <flagen> too much to read now ;o
08:00 <Tigger_> the ABC is interesting as a disproof of the commonly accepted notion about propaganda as mind control, in reality there are no unwilling converts to the message of propaganda, people actually seek propaganda out because they want to be told what to think, they want indoctrination, and that's the service the ABC provides for its audience
11:00 <flagen> all your media belong to : rupert murdoch and james packer
18:00 <flagen> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmNH8hVRWnU
18:00 <progressive> 1,0 You0,5tube  America's Worst Terrorist, Timothy McVeigh (Full Documentary)
18:00 <bee_girl> an example please? sure the ABC is not faultless but the reporting is more credible than the rest on offer...
24:00 <Tigger_> WE are living in a time of infamous lies against the state of Israel and the Jewish people. We are witnessing, even in Australia, a recrudescence of some of the oldest types of anti-Semitism. One of the worst recent examples of anti-Israel propaganda that led directly to anti-Semitic outbursts was the Four Corners episode Stone Cold Justice, purporting to be about treatment of Palestinian children in the West Bank.
24:00 <Tigger_> However, the Four Corners program was a disgrace, a crude piece of anti-Israel propaganda that revived some of the oldest anti-Semitic tropes. In the year 2014, are we really going to allege again, on the basis of the flimsiest non-evidence you could imagine, that Jewish soldiers systematically physically crucify innocent children? Is there a school of anti-Semitism 101 operating out there? Do you not think that before you would air an al
24:00 <Tigger_> legation like that, if you had any real sense of editorial responsibility, you would be 100 per cent sure that it was true; you would track down the people alleged to have done it and get their testimony?
25:00 <Tigger_> and similar such things, the ABC is a hive of antisemites
26:00 <flagen> I don't see why the founding of the state is israel after the second world war with zionists has to be such a big deal unless they are provoking war in the middle east on purpose why don't they just be quiet and stop trying to big such a power army in the earth.
30:00 <Warren1984> back for a nap
31:00 <Warren1984> from
31:00 <Tigger_> you mean back from a nap?
31:00 <Tigger_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRbakPKgU5Y
31:00 <Warren1984> probally wasn't a good idea
31:00 <progressive> 1,0 You0,5tube  WORLD'S BEST SKATEBOARDING CAT! Go DIDGA! (ORIGINAL)
31:00 <Tigger_> that cat can do some pretty impressive skateboard tricks
44:00 <flagen> warren
44:00 <flagen> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmMRTs-pSjM
44:00 <progressive> 1,0 You0,5tube  Duncraig Party 131007
48:00 <xm> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIBou1U-Sq0&spfreload=10
48:00 <progressive> 1,0 You0,5tube  Eurodance - Back to the 90's (200 hits) part 2 | Назад в 90-е (200 хитов) часть 2
48:00 <xm> LOL 12 hours
48:00 <xm> let me hear you say yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
49:00 <flagen> LOL
49:00 <flagen> yeahh
50:00 <flagen> xm
50:00 <flagen> https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fts2.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DHN.607994484169640973%26pid%3D15.1&f=1
50:00 <flagen> nice album cover hey ?
50:00 <flagen> payfones man
52:00 <flagen> HHAAHAHA wtf
52:00 <flagen> this video goes for 11 hours
53:00 <Tigger_> they had some good songs I recall
53:00 <flagen> 12 hours well 11:59:34
53:00 <flagen> thats a long vid
53:00 <flagen> maybe i should download the whole video
54:00 <flagen> put it on USB stick
55:00 <flagen> 3.3gb lol
55:00 <flagen> thats how big the vid is
55:00 <flagen> its gonna take me all day to download it
59:00 <xm> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3EVzixU4OU&spfreload=10
59:00 <progressive> 1,0 You0,5tube  Megamix 90's
59:00 <xm> ahhhh more consistent
59:00 <flagen> heh
59:00 <xm> starts off with the classic what is love
59:00 <flagen> i remember that one
59:00 <flagen> yer
59:00 <xm> yeah
59:00 <xm> do you like eurodance from the90s or something?
00:00 <xm> so it's not just computers ypoou like from the 90s
00:00 <xm> music too
01:00 <flagen> you get into drum & bass ?
01:00 <xm> some
02:00 <flagen> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfMtTOEFuwE
02:00 <progressive> 1,0 You0,5tube  DJ Hype - Ready Or Not - Drum N Bass Remix
02:00 <xm> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IEEwcunkKw&spfreload=10
02:00 <progressive> 1,0 You0,5tube  London Elektricity - Just One Second
02:00 <xm> i like that one
03:00 <xm> yeah i think i have a DJ Hype set from 1995 (Helter SKelter)
03:00 <flagen> yeah its pretty old
03:00 <xm> ive heard that song i think
03:00 <flagen> yer its like more than 10 years old now
04:00 <xm> there was a perth d&b server once full of mp3s. i mirrored it at work
04:00 <xm> 4GB or so
04:00 <flagen> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o11cnMUTHM4
04:00 <progressive> 1,0 You0,5tube  Ltj Bukem - Horizons
04:00 <xm> Bukem is pretty old
05:00 <flagen> yer
05:00 <flagen> lots of remixes for this
05:00 <xm> did you ever go to raves?
05:00 <flagen> you remember a guy on IRC called DrumAndbass
05:00 <flagen> ?
05:00 <xm> something like that
05:00 <flagen> yer i know where he lives
05:00 <xm> i dont think he had and
06:00 <flagen> he mixed at that place metros
06:00 <flagen> or whatever
06:00 <flagen> remember simon barwood ?
06:00 <xm> Rise
06:00 <flagen> i been to a few raves
06:00 <flagen> yer rise
06:00 <flagen> trance
06:00 <xm> i dont know him personally but i have friends that do/did
06:00 <xm> ive only been to Rise a few times
06:00 <flagen> i got into gatecrasher album when i bought it
07:00 <xm> supposedly had one of the best sound systems at the time
07:00 <flagen> i was into techno stuff
07:00 <xm> people looked down at Rise because of its music
07:00 <xm> i thought that was silly snobbery
07:00 <flagen> i never went there
07:00 <xm> i enjoyed its music
07:00 <flagen> maybe once or something
07:00 <flagen> mostly just went to house partys
07:00 <flagen> clubs are fucked
08:00 <flagen> plus if you at someones house having a party you get away with a lot more
09:00 <flagen> xm, you get into vinyls and that ?
09:00 <xm> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJo8UfqOaW8&spfreload=10 <--- something more for tigger_
09:00 <progressive> 1,0 You0,5tube  1999-2001 Old School EURO-TRANCE Vinyl-set | mixed by marcus meyer
09:00 <xm> no, but i wanted to
09:00 <xm> dont have decks
09:00 <flagen> you should get some second hand decks
10:00 <flagen> mix up some of your own
10:00 <xm> except with this eurotrance mix ffwd a little
10:00 <xm> they dont make SL1200s anymore
10:00 <xm> so yeah would have to be second hand
10:00 <xm> if that is waht you meant
10:00 <flagen> u like trance
10:00 <xm> 1200s were just too sturdy
11:00 <flagen> I like this album only cause i bought it and listen to it but i rekon it was pretty good
11:00 <xm> apparently you can drop them down a fligjht of stairs and theyll still work
11:00 <flagen> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHFqI2Je6Lo
11:00 <progressive> 1,0 You0,5tube  Gatecrasher - Digital Trance (Full Album)
11:00 <flagen> its pretty good
11:00 <xm> OK switching to that
11:00 <xm> yeah, track listing is promising
12:00 <xm> 2000-2001 is when i started getting into trance more
12:00 <xm> mostly GErman then'
12:00 <flagen> this is the only album of gatecrasher i ever bought
12:00 <flagen> only one i ever listened to really
12:00 <xm> i used to buy a lot of CDs
13:00 <flagen> I got a huge CD collection but its mostly old skool stuff not electronica rock & roll stuff my dads old cd collection
13:00 <flagen> like my dads old rolling stones cd lol
13:00 <flagen> black in blue
13:00 <xm> i dont like old rock like beatles and the stones
14:00 <xm> but i like Ange
14:00 <flagen> haha
14:00 <flagen> yer
14:00 <xm> shane you in perth now?
14:00 <flagen> yeh
14:00 <flagen> in da hood
15:00 <xm> do you and Warren1984 want to meet up in summer?
15:00 <xm> and me there as well
15:00 <flagen> yer just come over here
15:00 <flagen> i got air con
15:00 <xm> come to your house?
15:00 <flagen> yeh
15:00 <xm> ok
16:00 <xm> my boss is giving away pentium 4s
16:00 <xm> you interested?
16:00 <flagen> lol giving them away ?
16:00 <flagen> sure
16:00 <xm> i think some of them are core duos 
16:00 <xm> i cant remember
16:00 <flagen> you can keep the hard drives
16:00 <flagen> i use USB sticks to boot and save
17:00 <xm> how do you prepare a USB stick for booting?
17:00 <xm> i remember the old days of floppy
17:00 <flagen> linux
17:00 <xm> sys a: c:
17:00 <xm> or something
17:00 <flagen> live distro
17:00 <xm> ok
17:00 <flagen> then just plug another one in
17:00 <flagen> to save
18:00 <flagen> probably makes your computer faster and less noise having just USB sticks
18:00 <xm> i suppose if you're using floppy you dont care about PC speed that much as your activities seem to be limited to simple use
18:00 <xm> using USB*
18:00 <xm> even
18:00 <flagen> yeh usb
19:00 <xm> ive got so many floppies around ive forgotten what's on then
19:00 <xm> i do have floppy drives
19:00 <flagen> i dont use floppys anymore
19:00 <xm> but i dont think they will connect 
19:00 <xm> i will need a USB adaptor
19:00 <flagen> but whats the point in having this huge hard drive in ur computer when u can get little USB sticks
20:00 <flagen> 1 terrabyte USB sticks
20:00 <flagen> stock up!
21:00 <xm> really
21:00 <Tigger_> how much are they?
23:00 <flagen> 100 bux
23:00 <xm> that cheap?
23:00 <Tigger_> that's twice the cost of buying HDD
23:00 <Tigger_> more
24:00 <xm> oh
24:00 <xm> i myst be behind
24:00 <xm> i remember 500GB being about $100 or more
24:00 <xm> SSDs -- they not sensitive to magnetization ?
24:00 <flagen> you can get a smaller 32gb which is like $30
24:00 <Tigger_> it is still quite a way off when I can consolidate my 70 (or more) HDDs into a single NAS volume
25:00 <flagen> but its better than having to have an actual hard drive in your PC
25:00 <flagen> or one thats USB and plugs in external hdd
26:00 <Tigger_> not if you have 5000 HD films
26:00 <xm> have you been getting these drives off umart
27:00 <xm> any problems so far?
27:00 <xm> 70 is a lot
27:00 <flagen> jiggabytes
27:00 <Tigger_> many came from umart
27:00 <xm> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpKDWEZOGD4&spfreload=10
27:00 <progressive> 1,0 You0,5tube  The Thrillseekers - Synaesthesia [1999] [epic trance]
27:00 <xm> classic
27:00 <Tigger_> but lately they've been from OfficeWorks and Dick Smith
27:00 <xm> external?
28:00 <xm> if you open them and take the drives out it should work still right
28:00 <flagen> yer
28:00 <flagen> no point in having it actually inside the PC
29:00 <Tigger_> yes, you can open them up and put them inside your PC, though you may have to reformat them, as the WD ones at least use encryption that is decoded by a circuit on the case
30:00 <flagen> whats the point in putting it inside the PC ?
30:00 <xm> that can be tedious if you have a few
31:00 <flagen> there's lots of linux distros that boot live off usb stick
31:00 <Tigger_> but these drives are just the intermediate solution, the 12 bay NAS is the holy grail
31:00 <xm> that would get pretty hoy inside the unit
31:00 <flagen> probably only windows users that are paranoid to remove their hard drives and just run off external drives
31:00 <xm> you'd need at least 3 fans
31:00 <xm> what do you think of Apple, flagen ?
32:00 <flagen> hate them
32:00 <Tigger_> the NAS units have their own cooling
32:00 <flagen> PC and linux only way to go
32:00 <brettingham1boshMVP> linux
32:00 <brettingham1boshMVP> l
32:00 <brettingham1boshMVP> lolollllllllllllllllllllllllllllll
32:00 <xm> yeah they do. the fan on this Synilogy is very quiet
33:00 <flagen> well i got a spare computer here i would probably install windows on but i'd have to buy a copy of windows
33:00 <flagen> how much is a copy of windows ?
33:00 <flagen> linux is free so i just use that
33:00 <Tigger_> modern hard drives don't get very hot unless they're doing large transfers anyway
33:00 <xm> flagen, doesnt sound like you hav a reason to use windows at all
33:00 <flagen> i'd probably use it to play GTA or something
33:00 <flagen> maybe for gaming
33:00 <xm> what games
33:00 <flagen> but i can use wine in linux to emulate most windows games
33:00 <flagen> GTA
33:00 <xm> other than snakes lol
34:00 <flagen> wine emulator in linux
34:00 <xm> i was thinking lately if i could use peerblocker in os x using something like wine
34:00 <brettingham1boshMVP> you dont need windows at all, except for gaming, videos, multitasking etc
34:00 <xm> but then it occurred to me can it have controlaccess to the network at that level?
34:00 <brettingham1boshMVP> xm
34:00 <brettingham1boshMVP> gook
34:00 <flagen> if you're running ubuntu or fedora i haven't had problems emulating games like GTA in wine
35:00 <brettingham1boshMVP> are you tracking your 0,1 L O S T  shipment?
35:00 <xm> yeah
35:00 <xm> early to mid dec
35:00 <flagen> amazons ?
35:00 <brettingham1boshMVP> where is it?
35:00 <brettingham1boshMVP> mid dec
35:00 <xm> UK
35:00 <flagen> just download the torrents
35:00 <brettingham1boshMVP> is it coming by boat? lolllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll
35:00 <xm> i m
35:00 <flagen> piratebay
35:00 <xm> torrent says 2 weeks
35:00 <flagen> lol
35:00 <flagen> 2 weeks
35:00 <xm> i got the 140GB version
35:00 <flagen> must be no seeders
35:00 <flagen> lol you getting the whole thing
35:00 <xm> and for some reason the speed is sporadic
35:00 <flagen> people seeding it ?
36:00 <xm> sometimes 50k sometimes 400k
36:00 <xm> yeah a few
36:00 <xm> my max speed overall is 700kb/s or so
36:00 <brettingham1boshMVP> just download the first espisode then the second etc
36:00 <flagen> only way torrents stay alive is from seeding
36:00 <xm> i think everytime you restart utorrent the speeds drop down and takes a while to build up again
37:00 <flagen> utorrent lol
37:00 <flagen> you must run windows
37:00 <xm> no, os x
37:00 <flagen> you use apple ?
37:00 <flagen> lol
37:00 <flagen> hardware
37:00 <xm> yeah
37:00 <flagen> what sort of apple you got
37:00 <xm> i got it for free anyway. that is the only issue with apple the procing
37:00 <flagen> i used to have a powerbook g4 and macbook
37:00 <flagen> but i sold them
37:00 <xm> apple combines the benefits of *nix with windows
38:00 <flagen> darwin lol
38:00 <xm> where did you get them from?'
38:00 <flagen> bought them
38:00 <flagen> this was years ago
38:00 <flagen> maybe 2006
38:00 <flagen> my macbook's hard drive died when i first bought it and had to send it back for replacement
39:00 <flagen> i wasn't very impressed with the macbook
39:00 <xm> the new ones are great
39:00 <flagen> i liked the ipod classic but that also died on me
39:00 <xm> if you go on youtube and watch a developer's laptop chances are it'd be macbook
39:00 <flagen> i prefer maybe dell or toshiba
41:00 <flagen> more support for that kind of hardware
41:00 <xm> do you ever program?
41:00 <flagen> yeah
41:00 <Tigger_> there is no convincing reason for a developer to prefer Mac over Windows, it's really just that nerds are very unfashionable people, and so using Macs gives them a no-brainer, if expensive, way to be fashionable
41:00 <xm> ther eis for RoR
41:00 <flagen> visual basic, perl, c, shell
41:00 <brettingham1boshMVP> dell is shit
42:00 <flagen> as a developer PC is the only choice for me
42:00 <xm> plus the latest version of Windows comes with a javascriopt engine that conflicts
42:00 <flagen> apple is basically locks you in PC has more freedoms
42:00 <xm> it's way easier to manage web apps with a *nix like environment than windows
42:00 <flagen> of course
42:00 <Tigger_> cygwin
42:00 <flagen> don't you think most websites are hosted on apache ?
42:00 <flagen> on linux
42:00 <flagen> lol
43:00 <xm> it's; not just mac, but it';s linux too. linux is far better than windows for that as well
43:00 <flagen> of unix
43:00 <flagen> or
43:00 <flagen> yer
43:00 <flagen> but windows is still good operating system
44:00 <xm> it's easier to implement a full-stack solution on a *nix like environment. it;'s too hacky otherwise 
44:00 <xm> even things like file permissions 
44:00 <xm> chmod'ing etc
44:00 <xm> and also cron jobs
44:00 <flagen> well if you go to a net cafe for example they are obviously going to be running windows because people would be unfamiliar with a common version of say ubuntu or fedora which is pretty user friendly nowdays and offers more features than windows
44:00 <flagen> cron
44:00 <xm> im not sure if you can do cron with cygwin
45:00 <xm> i think it's integral with the o/s
45:00 <flagen> why would you want to
46:00 <Tigger_> you make the correct chmod permissions after you upload the files to the real server, as whatever you do on your local machine will not be recognised by the server anyway
46:00 <xm> plenty of web apps need to do certain tasks at certain hours'
46:00 <xm> reports etc
46:00 <flagen> I don't use cygwin I don't use windows anymore
46:00 <flagen> no point really
47:00 <xm> you want to emulate different environments though: dev, test, production
47:00 <flagen> i can play games in wine
47:00 <flagen> people would say that they need windows to play games well i can just emulate them in wine
47:00 <flagen> gaming is when it comes down to specs
47:00 <flagen> or other stuff that takes up large ammounts of computing power
48:00 <flagen> ....
48:00 <flagen> Cygwin sucks
48:00 <xm> yeah there's lots of interop issues too
48:00 <xm> have you tried using puppet under linux?
48:00 <Tigger_> if it's a big concern, then develop under CentOS (or whatever your server OS proves to be), as then you can guarantee your development and hosting environments are exactly the same
49:00 <flagen> is richard stallman a hippie
50:00 <Tigger_> he looks like one
50:00 <xm> well that's the thing. Linux is also good but you get fancy software working under OS/X too such as xcode for ios/osx app dev, adobe software, etc etc
50:00 <flagen> richard stallman hates Apple he thinks its putting the users in a prison like state where they can't escape and explore the bigger aspects of computing
51:00 <flagen> which is why i think PC is the only way to go building your own PC's and operating systems
51:00 <Tigger_> I agree with him there, it's very easy to run your own apps on Android, extremely hard on iOS unless you pay their gatekeeping fees
52:00 <xm> in my case i can also run Apple Logic Pro X and iMovie too which are my preferred editing/production software
53:00 <xm> potato gems with sour cream is nice
54:00 <flagen> i don't like ubuntu though
54:00 <flagen> ubuntu has to one of the worst linux distros ever made
55:00 <Tigger_> why?
56:00 <flagen> because it has spy software installed on it
56:00 <Tigger_> ah yes
56:00 <xm> Arch Linux is supposedly the hardest to use
56:00 <flagen> richard stallman talked about it
56:00 <xm> yeah, it's bloated
56:00 <flagen> slackware, debian, redhat
56:00 <flagen> they are the good ones
56:00 <Tigger_> it feeds your search results to Amazon
56:00 <flagen> yer and they get paid for it
57:00 <flagen> ubuntu is crapola
57:00 <Tigger_> my problem with Ubuntu is the increasingly goofy OSX like interfaces
58:00 <flagen> yeah
58:00 <flagen> its pretty goofy
59:00 <xm> flagen: do you leave many boxes running all the time?
59:00 <flagen> just 1 laptop
59:00 <xm> if you've got limited hard drive space that is i dont see what for
59:00 <flagen> maybe if i just leave IRC on
59:00 <brettingham1boshMVP> if everyone ran ubuntu then 'hardcores' like flagen would run windows and talk about how amazing it is
59:00 <flagen> brettingham1boshMVP, No I would just run an alternative linux distrubution like I am right now.
59:00 <flagen> slackware.
59:00 <xm> brettingham1boshMVP: the smoke monster graphics from LOST were rendered on Ubuntu
00:00 <xm> lollllll jokes
00:00 <flagen> actually i think this linux install is pretty small
00:00 <flagen> like a 300mb ISO
00:00 <xm> which linux distro has the smallest live cd?
00:00 <flagen> porteus maybe
00:00 <xm> havent heard of that one
00:00 <flagen> http://www.porteus.org/
00:00 <xm> did you ever try out the BSDs?
01:00 <xm> i was originally an OpenBSD person
01:00 <xm> out of paranopia
01:00 <Tigger_> bloat, Windows 95 was 25Mb
01:00 <xm> was it?
02:00 <flagen> windows 95 originally came in 30 floppy disks
02:00 <xm> i remembered jokes that 95 was really ODS 7
02:00 <xm> with a GUI
02:00 <xm> DOS 7*
02:00 <flagen> nah you upgraded from OS/2 Warp 4 win 3.11
03:00 <brettingham1boshMVP> https://scontent-a-nrt.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/l/t1.0-9/10464392_665048533550539_1402464106876093513_n.jpg?oh=02e91da9d62002396ba90566464b2f98&oe=55203D21
03:00 <xm> my first O/S was DOS 3 or something
04:00 <flagen> yer
04:00 <flagen> or the old apple os's
05:00 <xm> at home that is
05:00 <xm> first computer i used was in year 1 and i dont recall too well. probably was a C64
05:00 <flagen> this was at school the first computer i ever got was running win 3.11
06:00 <xm> the reason why i dont recall it too well was becuase this kid hogged it and there wasnt enough for 1 per person
06:00 <xm> i forgot about 3.11
06:00 <flagen> i remember some people gave me an amiga c4 for free
06:00 <flagen> i used the monitor to play nintendo c4 and it died
07:00 <flagen> had all these games like POG
07:00 <xm> have you tried thgat amiga os clone'
07:00 <xm> morphos or something
08:00 <flagen> nope
08:00 <flagen> would like to thouhg
08:00 <flagen> if i can get ahold of it
10:00 <xm> needs certain hardware
11:00 <flagen> didn't amiga come out with a new computer
11:00 <flagen> years ago
11:00 <xm> they're active again 
11:00 <flagen> amiga sounds pretty k-rad system to be running
11:00 <xm> i just want to try out the mod trackers
11:00 <flagen> Yeah im running Amiga, OpenVMS all the stuff you dont understand thats how you stop hackers
12:00 <Warren1984> my first computer had windows 95 on CD
12:00 <xm> Curtin uni uses OpenVMS i think
12:00 <Warren1984> it was the later version
12:00 <flagen> there is a free shell server that runs openvms if you want to test it out
12:00 <xm> can you connect to IRC with it?
12:00 <flagen> yeah
13:00 <flagen> http://deathrow.vistech.net/
13:00 <xm> think ive seen that
13:00 <xm> probably was you that gave it to me
13:00 <xm> or b1rd
13:00 <xm> do you remember b1rd?
13:00 <flagen> yeh
14:00 <flagen> if you type epic it opens epic IRC client
14:00 <flagen> but you can run IRC in telnet its just telnet doesn't ping
14:00 <flagen> so you have to keep typing ping:
14:00 <xm> you can get around it
14:00 <flagen> scripts maybe
14:00 <flagen> little system hacks
15:00 <xm> download a client called pIRCH
15:00 <flagen> this guy invites people to hack his openvms as much as you can
15:00 <flagen> thats why its free access
15:00 <flagen> people have done little system hacks
15:00 <xm> use /server deathrow.vistech.net 23
15:00 <flagen> ssh
15:00 <xm> and then /quote etc etc
15:00 <flagen> i think they're on irc.2600.net
15:00 <xm> then it will handle all incoming ping requests
15:00 <flagen> well 
15:00 <flagen> ssl
15:00 <xm> well, ssh.... dont think you can then
15:00 <flagen> dont know if you could use it to tunnel
16:00 <flagen> i only ever used putty to tunnel over ssh
17:00 <xm> did you know you can transfer files via sftp
17:00 <xm> to and from teh shell
17:00 <xm> if ssh works then sftp works too -- it's just om top
18:00 <flagen> yer
18:00 <flagen> openvms is wierd OS
18:00 <flagen> its from like the 70's
18:00 <xm> yeah, vax machines
19:00 <flagen> fkn old skool lol
20:00 <xm> hmmm i dont know if ive slept or not
21:00 <flagen> i slept like yesterday
23:00 <flagen> xm, so do you know much about how this openvms works
24:00 <erlich> all i know is that i got past guest access with curtin's vms shell
24:00 <erlich> all i had to do was go to lynx through the terminal menu and download a large file
24:00 <erlich> it crashed and broke into the shell
24:00 <erlich> but that may not be VMS specific
24:00 <erlich> ozemail had issues with their shell too years ago
25:00 <erlich> admins used to be very slack or complacent
25:00 <flagen> iinet used to have a shell or still do
25:00 <flagen> they ran debian or freebsd
25:00 <erlich> yeah
25:00 <flagen> lynx is a web browser?
25:00 <erlich> there was also games.wantree.com.au where you could use guest IRC for austnet
26:00 <erlich> yes, the good old text browser
26:00 <flagen> yer but who would want to do that
26:00 <flagen> IRC on a web browser
26:00 <flagen> ?
26:00 <erlich> from 1996-2004 i had only paid for one month;s Internet
26:00 <erlich> no, not IRC
27:00 <flagen> i remember them handing out ozemail cd's at a computer convention at burswood entertainment centre in like 2001 or something
27:00 <erlich> that was breaking through with the guest account
27:00 <erlich> but if you were a legit student you could access the shell directly
27:00 <flagen> u know murdoch uni?
27:00 <flagen> they ran SunOS
27:00 <erlich> yeah
27:00 <flagen> i remember telneting to their machines
27:00 <erlich> sparcs/solaris was popular with academics
27:00 <erlich> i dont know if they are anymore
28:00 <flagen> back in those days they actually had telnet banners these days no one would have a telnet banner maybe a router
28:00 <flagen> i know you could edit your telnet banner to say whatever you wanted
28:00 <flagen> was lots of .mil telnet banners which were amusing
28:00 <flagen> back when i used to do port scans
29:00 <erlich> OK i have a question for you
29:00 <erlich> if i connect two network nodes together
29:00 <erlich> 1 side being a computer like a PC or mac
29:00 <erlich> via a crossover cable
29:00 <erlich> how do i get the IP address of the other node?
30:00 <erlich> without turning it on/looking
30:00 <erlich> portscan?
30:00 <erlich> within the LAN range?
30:00 <erlich> is there a better way
30:00 <erlich> shouldnt it know as it's 1-to-1
30:00 <flagen> running linux
30:00 <erlich> it's to my raspberry pi
30:00 <erlich> which runs Linux
30:00 <flagen> crossover cable 
30:00 <flagen> just 2 pcs
30:00 <erlich> but im here on the os x
30:00 <erlich> i want to know its IP
30:00 <flagen> would be like 192.168.x.x
30:00 <erlich> yes but how do i get the IP?
31:00 <erlich> i can get the local IP
31:00 <erlich> say 169.251.x.x
31:00 <erlich> how do i get the other node's IP other than brute force scanning
31:00 <flagen> theres a command in linux
31:00 <erlich> actually ill try google
31:00 <flagen> tells you what you are connected to
31:00 <flagen> ipwconfig fucking something
32:00 <flagen> google should say waht the command ifs
32:00 <flagen> good question though
33:00 <erlich> hmmm looks like there must be scanning
33:00 <erlich> and use ARP
33:00 <erlich> never mind
33:00 <erlich> ill have the keyboard (USB) by then
34:00 <Warren1984> Tigger_ need to go for exercise but CBF
34:00 <Warren1984> also wash the dishes, bring all the rubbish out
34:00 <Tigger_> just eat less, then you won't have to exercise so much
34:00 <Tigger_> what was your last weigh in?
34:00 <erlich> you know what's strange Tigger_ ?
34:00 <erlich> im on full meds at the moment
34:00 <Warren1984> yesterday I did 53 mins and slept like a baby
34:00 <Tigger_> what?
34:00 <erlich> and my weight hasnt increased
35:00 <erlich> i wonder if it's because im more active
35:00 <Tigger_> is there a delayed effect?
35:00 <erlich> perhaps that
35:00 <erlich> hope not
35:00 <Warren1984> I was pushing 30 seconds consistently in each 25 metre lap
35:00 <flagen> http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/linux-list-network-cards-command/
35:00 <Tigger_> what are the meds?
35:00 <Warren1984> erlich you look sexy
35:00 <Tigger_> Warren1984, what do you weigh now?
36:00 <erlich> there are two: one is an anti-psychotic to prevent psychosis, but it also works as a mood stabiliser. then there's also a mood stabiliser too which indirectly prevents psychosis by clamping down on mania
36:00 <erlich> as mania can lead to psychosis
36:00 <Warren1984> not sure stupid Ikea scale we got isn't working
36:00 <erlich> <Warren1984> erlich you look sexy <--- lol thanks warren
36:00 <erlich> i try to look pretty for you
36:00 <Warren1984> Tigger_ is going to have to find some form of exercise
37:00 <erlich> come on warren, let's go ride on clip clop to the general store and get him some cubes of sugar
37:00 <Warren1984> lol erlich
37:00 <erlich> Tigger_, concentration is certainly affected
37:00 <erlich> i have to work harder mentally to achieve the same
37:00 <flagen> ifconfig wlan0
37:00 <flagen> ?
38:00 <erlich> bbl
38:00 <flagen>  inet 192.168.1.2  netmask 255.255.255.0  broadcast 192.168.1.255
39:00 <Warren1984> Tigger_ if you have 8 hours of sleep and no more in 24 hrs and you do 1 hour of intensive exercise you will get to sleep
40:00 <Warren1984> its impossible that you cannot sleep
40:00 <Tigger_> it is quite possible
40:00 <Warren1984> well according to my Psychiatrist
40:00 <Tigger_> he has been wrong before
40:00 <flagen> Warren1984, You can survive stuck out in the ocean for 3 days without food
41:00 <flagen> or water
41:00 <Warren1984> when Tigger_
41:00 <Warren1984> that was Dr DE Bong
41:00 <Warren1984> that was wrong
41:00 <Warren1984> not Dr Perica
42:00 <Tigger_> Dr Perica got something wrong too, but I forget what it was now
43:00 <flagen> Coast to coast
44:00 <flagen> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMnUY5Y7EhA
44:00 <progressive> 1,0 You0,5tube  Celebrity Time Travelers From Our Future They Want The Money Bad
48:00 <Warren1984> Tigger_ should I get one of those planes, you showed me yesterday so that xm and I can regularly visit you
49:00 <Tigger_> yes, you could bomb Mark Campbell and then fly here to escape
50:00 <Warren1984> xm could drop bricks while I fly over
51:00 <Warren1984> it would be better to get a helicopter
51:00 <flagen> who is mark campbell
51:00 <Warren1984> you get a loud speaker and say Mark Campbell come out of the house now
52:00 <flagen> LOL
52:00 <xm> LOL Warren1984 
52:00 <flagen> pretty sure they would call the cops Warren1984 
54:00 <Tigger_> hang a rope with hook from your plane and hook Mark Campbell by the belt, and then fly away with him and drop him in the ocean where Flight 370 crashed
54:00 <flagen> rofl
54:00 <flagen> that would be one hell of a ride if you were still alive
59:00 <Warren1984> xm why did you let Damio take over your channel #bipolar
59:00 <xm> i didnt let him. it just expired. i was in hospital
59:00 <xm> im not bothered though
59:00 <xm> he meant no harm
59:00 <Warren1984> I told him its xm's channel
00:00 <xm> it;'s OK im too lazy to maintain too many chainnels
00:00 <Warren1984> and that xm would be angry and potentionally want to kill you
00:00 <xm> heh
00:00 <Warren1984> nuh I just said that xm might not be happy
03:00 <Tigger_> Still, even with the jaw-dropping security flaw, a high-tech hijacker would need to know exactly what to do once inside the E/E bay.
03:00 <Tigger_> That would require possessing greater knowledge of Boeing 777 avionics than most commercial line pilots, according to Jeff Wise, the independent investigator who reported Exners revelations on his blog, which covers the independent investigations into the fate of Malaysia Airlines Flight 370.
03:00 <Tigger_> What Exner found, however, was that one of the key communications systems turned off during the fateful March 8 flight of the Malaysia Airlines plane could have been switched off only from the E/E bay, not from the cockpit. That means the pilot, Shah, was almost certainly not responsible for shutting down the Flight 370 satellite communication system, which mysteriously occurred just after the flight cutoff radar and radio contact with th
03:00 <Tigger_> e ground.
03:00 <Tigger_> Even more mysteriously, the SatCom system, as it is called, was later switched back on.
03:00 <Tigger_> But no pilot is trained in how to switch the SatCom off and on. Exner found that the procedure was not even mentioned in the operational manuals for the 777-200.
03:00 <Tigger_> Read more at http://www.inquisitr.com/1599223/malaysia-airlines-flight-370-new-evidence-2/#LPkvE58mBcATroOc.99
05:00 <flagen> Tigger_, if one was so inclined
06:00 <flagen> im sure there would be ways to tamper with a commercial flight you were on very easily
08:00 <MrMgee> hi
08:00 <flagen> hi
09:00 <MrMgee> whats happening
09:00 <xm> i see you've joined large channels that dont require registration
09:00 <xm> hi MrMgee 
09:00 <MrMgee> me?
10:00 <flagen> i dont feel like drinking anymore
11:00 <MrMgee> thats ashame
11:00 <flagen> might go find some heroin
11:00 <MrMgee> alert. alert we have an attention seeker
12:00 <xm> your birthday is coming up isnt it? MrMgee ?
12:00 <xm> :D
12:00 <flagen> ?
12:00 <MrMgee> no 
13:00 <MrMgee> im not jesus
13:00 <xm> lol
13:00 <flagen> black jesus
14:00 <flagen> PUT IT DOWN FOR WAT
15:00 <MrMgee> flagen do you type words for the sake of typing?
15:00 <xm> MrMgee: i see you are a lover of epic poetry
15:00 <flagen> MrMgee, Fun isn't it ?
15:00 <flagen> TURN DOWN FOR WHAT
18:00 <MrMgee> where are you getting this false information from@xm
18:00 <flagen> xm, who isn't ?
18:00 <flagen> MrMgee, hes trying to get legit information from you with false ones
19:00 <MrMgee> how about just ask the right question
19:00 <flagen> MrMgee, Where do you live ?
19:00 <MrMgee> sydney
20:00 <flagen> ok
20:00 <flagen> <---- Perth
20:00 <MrMgee> sweet
20:00 <MrMgee> how about you xm?
20:00 <xm> perth
21:00 <flagen> lol perth represent
21:00 <flagen> still want to go back to adelaide though
21:00 <flagen> adelaide is a pretty cool city
21:00 <MrMgee> does anyone else talk or they here for decorations?
22:00 <flagen> some are christmas decorations 
22:00 <xm> depends on time of day and a certain critical mass regarding who else is around
23:00 <flagen> MrMgee, Yeah you just have to wait eventually people talk here
23:00 <flagen> if they have anything to say which at the moment doesn't seem like anyone does.
24:00 <MrMgee> hmmm
24:00 <Tigger_> I'm watching Murder, She Said
24:00 <xm> is that related to Murder, She WRote ?
24:00 <Tigger_> no
24:00 <flagen> I'm watching the adventures of IRC 2014
24:00 <xm> im reading a programming book and listening to music, MrMgee 
24:00 <Tigger_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder,_She_Said
33:00 <flagen> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BE8oqnrV4os
33:00 <progressive> 1,0 You0,5tube  Serial Killers - Murder, No Apparent Motive (1984) Rare Documentary - Full
36:00 <flagen> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTnEY8y-p7M
36:00 <progressive> 1,0 You0,5tube  Ed Kemper Interview 1984 1/2
49:00 <xm> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNLanEEGoyE&spfreload=10
49:00 <progressive> 1,0 You0,5tube  Blank and Jones at Nature One 2004
42:00 <Warren1984> hi all
44:00 <Warren1984> Tigger_ before I knew anything about personality types and psychology... I use to be interested in cars and their mechanics, evolution etc
58:00 <Warren1984> maybe I could be a small motor mechanic, but that is a 4 year apprenticeshup
58:00 <Warren1984> ship
58:00 <flagen> what sort of motor mechanic did you want to be
58:00 <flagen> cars?
59:00 <Warren1984> small motor
59:00 <Warren1984> edgers, lawn mowers
59:00 <bee_girl> dont leta 4 yr apprecticeship turn u off
00:00 <Warren1984> true bee_girl
00:00 <flagen> apprenticeships usually end up in a job but they pay you while you learn
00:00 <Warren1984> that is true
01:00 <flagen> But I thought you ment cars
02:00 <flagen> only place I know of is Motor Trade Association of WA
02:00 <flagen> thats in balcatta
03:00 <flagen> ask them
06:00 <flagen> pretty rare to find a small company that would take you on as an apprentice you can go to tafe or something or businesses that specificly hire for mechanical type work
07:00 <flagen> I don't think there is much business in fixing lawn mowers and edgers they're not the type of things that would break down which are motorised
08:00 <bee_girl> where u live Warren1984
08:00 <flagen> he lives in perth
09:00 <Warren1984> yeah Perth
09:00 <bee_girl> oh ta
09:00 <bee_girl> i kne wthat :D
09:00 <Warren1984> happens to me all the time
09:00 <flagen> Warren1984, So you are trying to figure out a career for urself ?>
09:00 <bert187> devide n conquer
10:00 <bert187> be pm
10:00 <bert187> unite the world
10:00 <Warren1984> maybe a warehouse manager
10:00 <flagen> maybe you should become a Politician you requent a political channel quite a lot
11:00 <bert187> be a hitman they are in demand
11:00 <Warren1984> since I have structure, routine and I am quiet reliable I think I would have the ability to be a warehouse manager one day
12:00 <flagen> all seems a bit boring though
13:00 <bee_girl> http://www.jobseeker.com.au/Apprentice-Mechanic-jobs-in-Perth-WA
13:00 <flagen> booring
13:00 <Warren1984> all jobs get boring
13:00 <bert187> do any of u have a question for the PM in waiting re: me
13:00 <flagen> no
13:00 <flagen> since I am the Prime Minister of this country how can you ask that question
14:00 <flagen> I am the prime minister.
15:00 <bee_girl> cute bert187
19:00 <flagen> ..
19:00 <bert187> cute
19:00 <bert187> cutiepie
19:00 <bert187> bob hawke was a alcoholic
20:00 <flagen> so was harold holt
20:00 <Warren1984> Tigger_ what is a tabachingching
20:00 <flagen> no such thing
21:00 <Warren1984> bee_girl what if I work my way up to become a warehouse manager?
21:00 <Ozone> a warehouse manager? why do you say that?
21:00 <Warren1984> or would an apprenticeship be better?
21:00 <Warren1984> because I am learning how to drive a forklift
22:00 <Warren1984> Tigger_ what is a tabachingching
23:00 <flagen> Warren1984, Why ask him ?
23:00 <flagen> Warren1984, Who is he ?
24:00 <Warren1984> Tigger_ is the immortal leader
25:00 <flagen> Warren1984, You know that guy that banned you last night? Tigger_ gives him access to the channel won't even remove his access when he bans people for no reason you think he gives you or me access ?
27:00 <flagen> Warren1984, But if you want to still hold him in high regard when he acts that way go right ahead I think it proves something.
28:00 <flagen> Warren1984, I mean where are your ops in this channel ? a guy comes in for a few months and gets ops just because he says hes gay
28:00 <flagen> that doesn't make sense 
29:00 <flagen> Warren1984, Tigger_ is just taking the piss out of you hes not your immortal leader
32:00 <bee_girl> Warren1984 - i think u would excel in a job that requires list making
32:00 <bee_girl> maybe a warehouse manager would work
32:00 <flagen> lol
32:00 <flagen> such a generic job for warren
32:00 <flagen> "warehouse manager"
33:00 <flagen> you would fit the part warren
33:00 <flagen> i mean come on does anyone even want to work in a seedy warehouse in perth anyway
34:00 <flagen> this all sounds a bit round the twist to me
36:00 <flagen> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saKtGFhXl2Q
36:00 <progressive> 1,0 You0,5tube  Round The Twist Theme Tune
38:00 <flagen> what suburbs this seedy warehouse in Warren1984 
38:00 <flagen> the only half decent places that have well dont even have warehouses like that are balcatta or osbourne park
38:00 <flagen> you're talking shit 
43:00 <flagen> Warren1984, You still there ?
44:00 <flagen> Warren1984, Didn't you say you live far away from the beach whats the point in living in perth if you live in such a povo suburb ?
44:00 <flagen> You should move closer to the beach
44:00 <flagen> easier access for fishing
53:00 <Warren1984> it costs more money around the beach
53:00 <Warren1984> and I don't really go fisbing anymore
53:00 <Warren1984> just wanted to prove I could do it
53:00 <flagen> do you rent your house ?
54:00 <Warren1984> I pay rent to my Mum
54:00 <flagen> how much do you pay
57:00 <flagen> lol
58:00 <Warren1984> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGKa0dIcNME
58:00 <progressive> 1,0 You0,5tube  Lions Documentary -  The Buffalo's Horn Kills the Lioness - Documentary NatGeo
04:00 <flagen> how poetic
06:00 <bee_girl> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADP65wbBUpc
06:00 <progressive> 1,0 You0,5tube  Ben Howard - Keep Your Head Up
10:00 <flagen> gay song
13:00 <bee_girl> stfu
14:00 <flagen> well i guess your a girl
14:00 <flagen> so maybe its differant for you
15:00 <bee_girl> read thelyrics
15:00 <flagen> Jedi Mind Tricks - I Who Have Nothing
15:00 <bee_girl> its not just a chic song
24:00 <Warren1984> to be a manager of a warehouse, you would need to be aware of a) things happening in the building and b) things that are going in and out of the building
24:00 <Warren1984> couriers are going in and out of the building
25:00 <Warren1984> forklift drivers are driving around in the building
25:00 <Warren1984> people are picking orders
25:00 <Warren1984> all kinds of stuff
26:00 <Warren1984> wouldn't that be better than doing an apprenticeship?
28:00 <bee_girl> ./me shurgs
30:00 <flagen> Warren1984, its pretty hard to find 
30:00 <Warren1984> find what?
30:00 <flagen> a job that you can stick to
30:00 <flagen> i mean you might not like it after a month or so
31:00 <Warren1984> delivery, dispatch, picking, ordering
31:00 <Warren1984> yeah true
32:00 <Warren1984> but it gets to a certain point where you must become mature and do things
32:00 <flagen> you got any other ideas of jobs
32:00 <flagen> that you could apply or whatever
32:00 <flagen> seek training in
32:00 <Warren1984> I mean I have lists for daily, weekly, monthly and yearly tasks
33:00 <Warren1984> what would be different in a business situation?
33:00 <flagen> not sure what you mean
33:00 <Warren1984> flagen you have to be realistic
33:00 <flagen> yeah I know but the realistic fact about work in Australia is there isn't much out there for you to join
34:00 <Warren1984> to manage a warehouse you need time management software i.e. MS Outlook to complete daily, weekly, monthly and yearly tasks
34:00 <Warren1984> flagen most of the people in the warehouse course are not even australian
34:00 <Warren1984> its a responsible and low paying job, who would want that?
35:00 <flagen> Yeah but i'd probable get sick of being in a seedy warehouse in perth everyday
35:00 <flagen> well i dunno man
35:00 <flagen> just saying
35:00 <Warren1984> but all jobs get boring
35:00 <flagen> May aswell look for something you like doing
35:00 <Warren1984> how do you run a household tell me?
36:00 <flagen> if you can't find something you like to do
36:00 <flagen> in life
36:00 <flagen> i mean
36:00 <flagen> spend all your life working in a boring job 
36:00 <flagen> whats the point of even living
36:00 <Warren1984> if you can't run a household then you can't run a business
36:00 <Warren1984> because you need the money
36:00 <Warren1984> as bee_girl said D$P doesn't pay enough
36:00 <flagen> yer i guess
37:00 <Warren1984> it would be good to be multi-skilled
37:00 <flagen> well my sister works for a mining company
37:00 <flagen> one of the aircraft companys that flys people onto the mines
37:00 <Warren1984> i.e. a forklift driver, purchasing officer, truck driver
38:00 <xm> this is interesting. seems like the copying from one type of format to another format is universally slow if they arent native
38:00 <flagen> if you want to learn to drive a forklift there is a place just in the city that does that
38:00 <flagen> thats where i did my RSA and Bar Skills course
38:00 <xm> so linux to windows, or windows to linux, or mac to windows etc is always slow
38:00 <xm> so not really the fault of the NAS
38:00 <Warren1984> I am learning how to drive a forklift atm
38:00 <xm> unless there is a better way to do it
38:00 <flagen> training place in the city
38:00 <Warren1984> I am training
39:00 <flagen> but yer i don't think they would pay you much
39:00 <xm> Warren1984: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDhe1xeIiJE
39:00 <progressive> 1,0 You0,5tube  Family guy peter forklift fail to forklift skills
40:00 <Warren1984> lol xm
40:00 <flagen> lol @ ac/dc
40:00 <flagen> cam rip hahaha
42:00 <Warren1984> that is really really funny xm
42:00 <Warren1984> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DexX6gU3oQw
42:00 <progressive> 1,0 You0,5tube  Family guy forklift beached whale
44:00 <Warren1984> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCCNggDepAk
44:00 <progressive> 1,0 You0,5tube  JOE SWANSON FORKLIFT WALKING - Family Guy Season 12
45:00 <flagen> You should do that in real life Warren1984 
45:00 <bee_girl> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIQQnoeepgU
45:00 <progressive> 1,0 You0,5tube  Chet Faker - 1998
47:00 <flagen> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5JaDPHbFs4
47:00 <progressive> 1,0 You0,5tube  Screaming Jets Better
50:00 <Warren1984> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2AcCGyAslE
50:00 <progressive> 1,0 You0,5tube  Family Guy cobra insurance
51:00 <bee_girl> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88nzdqwCHM0
51:00 <progressive> 1,0 You0,5tube  Bob Dylan - Went To See The Gypsy
52:00 <flagen> Cold Chisel - Khe San
55:00 <bee_girl> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFxOaDeJmXk
55:00 <progressive> 1,0 You0,5tube  Heart - Stairway to Heaven (Live at Kennedy Center Honors) [FULL VERSION]
00:00 <flagen> so whats the go with you now Warren1984 
01:00 <flagen> Warren1984, No offense.
03:00 <flagen> Warren1984, Merci beaucoup ?
04:00 <flagen> il n'y a pas de quoi
07:00 <Warren1984> flagen wtf are you on about
08:00 <flagen> i dunno
08:00 <flagen> live a little ?
08:00 <Warren1984> and apprenticeship would require more learning and more working memory than a warehouse manager
08:00 <flagen> Warren1984, why not just live off your D$P
08:00 <Warren1984> because the desire to be important is the no. 1 goal in humans
09:00 <flagen> Warren1984, you still live with your mum wouldn't you focus on moving away from her first ?
09:00 <Warren1984> you can't be a nobody in this world
09:00 <flagen> become independant
10:00 <Warren1984> I would focus on getting full time employment, saving money, running a household, increasing fitness, increasing social skills and practical skills and find a gf before moving out
11:00 <Marttin> Mornin warren, everyone
12:00 <Marttin> You keep exercising 50 minutes , isnt that enough? And amazing
14:00 <Marttin> The other day i came out with some numbers about salaries in spain and 1 out of 3 workers get only 650€ , then tigger said:so a d$p gangsta gets more than a spanish worker
15:00 <Marttin> You could focus in saving money rather than working, otherwise there will be less time and energy to exercise,  household  and gf
16:00 <Marttin> Social skills on the other hand could be increased at work
19:00 <flagen> Marttin, Yes but its very expensive to live here
20:00 <flagen> anyway I just had a Taco
20:00 <flagen> feeling quite better now
21:00 <flagen> it had avacado in it
21:00 <flagen> lettuce, chilli
21:00 <flagen> onion
38:00 <flagen> motor bike helmets are good body armor
41:00 <Warren1984> hey Marttin
41:00 <Warren1984> should I start using dragon naturally speaking in here
47:00 <flagen> http://i.imgur.com/7G9Iw1r.jpg
51:00 <flagen> I gotta shave this beard off.
51:00 <flagen> Hi Lish
51:00 <Lish> Hey
51:00 <flagen> hehe
05:00 <flagen> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxKst8BaPbc
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07:00 <flagen> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxKst8BaPbc
07:00 <progressive> 1,0 You0,5tube  Four Corners - The Ice Age Documentary
09:00 <GreekSnake> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-mjl63e0ms
09:00 <progressive> 1,0 You0,5tube  Diana Ross - I'm Coming Out
13:00 <Warren1984> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43VEBDrU8BE&feature=player_detailpage
13:00 <progressive> 1,0 You0,5tube  Epic Forklift Fail Compilation Part 1
14:00 <xm> lol warren
14:00 <xm> getting inspiration?
15:00 <xm> up, down, turn it around, there is nothing like a crown
22:00 <Warren1984> having 2nd thoughts about being a warehouse manager after watching these forklift accidents
23:00 <xm> my friend was a manager for one, woolworths i think, he had to work a lot of hours and get up early
23:00 <xm> but the pay was OK, like $80k
23:00 <xm> he quit because of the stress
23:00 <Warren1984> xm do you think it would be good for me
23:00 <xm> im not sure if will want to do it
24:00 <xm> to be frank, no, it'd be too stressful
24:00 <Warren1984> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJf_3mHSxZg
24:00 <progressive> 1,0 You0,5tube  Young forklift operator breaks his back
24:00 <xm> it's the sort of job where you must think on your feet and deal with lots of people
24:00 <xm> what probably happens after you graduate is that you're given a forklift job placement (maybe)
24:00 <xm> but not everyone can be manager
24:00 <xm> think pyramid
25:00 <xm> not everyone can reach the top
25:00 <xm> and the ones that are either very good brown nosers and good with social skills
25:00 <xm> are either*
26:00 <xm> it would be way moire stressful than your call centre jobs
26:00 <xm> if you become manager etc
26:00 <xm> forklift driver, maybe you can handle it. if it's like night and not many people are around. do things on your own pace
27:00 <xm> but i dont think nightjobs are healthy for the mentally ill/unstable
27:00 <xm> sleep routine is important
27:00 <xm> also you may not be allowed to operate that if you're on certain meds
27:00 <Warren1984> the top of the pyramid would be upper management
27:00 <xm> yeah and that's just a handful
28:00 <xm> warren can you physically and mentally handle this?
28:00 <xm> seriously, think about it
28:00 <Warren1984> probably not full time xm
28:00 <xm> have you see how high some of those forklifts can go in IKEA?
31:00 <xm> Warren1984: i think if you were to ever make a mistake at work, say a relatively serious one, you'd get obsssed over it and rely even more on all your "theory" to fix yourself
31:00 <xm> it would stress you out
34:00 <Warren1984> my Dad is in purchasing and has a forklift licence but he says he is not confident in driving one
34:00 <Warren1984> after seeing these accidents it seems intimidating
34:00 <Warren1984> did you just watch the one I posted
34:00 <xm> yeah, and your meds may not allow you too
35:00 <Warren1984> yeah true
35:00 <xm> you cant be on certain meds to operate them
35:00 <Warren1984> I should tell them that
35:00 <xm> and youve got arthritis
35:00 <xm> you know work lawsuits/compo is serious
35:00 <xm> they wont sign you up if they think you're a risk
35:00 <xm> insurance
35:00 <xm> if you tell them that you wont get hired
36:00 <xm> and if you do get hired and hide i wonder if you can get in trouble if something serious happens
37:00 <bee_kids_bed> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sng_CdAAw8M
37:00 <progressive> 1,0 You0,5tube  Rhye - Open
37:00 <Warren1984> you would have to be good at keeping on top of things
37:00 <Warren1984> and be very serious minded
38:00 <Warren1984> and not treat employees as friends
38:00 <Warren1984> are the kids in bed bee_girl
38:00 <xm> that is true warren. people can be ruthless at work
39:00 <xm> and people who behave as friends outwardly will do sabotage to further their career
39:00 <bee_girl> one is Warren1984
39:00 <xm> Warren1984: they are to her left and right, and she is reading to them the SAS Survival Handbook
40:00 <xm> "mummy if we run out of food do you think we'd heave to eat clip clop"
05:00 <Warren1984> I am not saying be a ruthless manager
05:00 <Warren1984> you need to be assertive
05:00 <Warren1984> and not let them push you around
06:00 <Warren1984> Would Tiger arm that ours are pop
06:00 <Warren1984> Stupid Dragon NaturallySpeaking
06:00 <Warren1984> Be good of Dragon NaturallySpeaking could read Wikipedia
06:00 <erlich> windows comes with a free text 2 speech
07:00 <Warren1984> really?
07:00 <erlich> yes
07:00 <erlich> prom used it ages ago
07:00 <Warren1984> Is it better than Dragon NaturallySpeaking
07:00 <erlich> in here for mIRC
07:00 <erlich> i think
07:00 <erlich> and i think bretty too
07:00 <erlich> there's little change with that technology over the years
07:00 <erlich> why bother to pay?
07:00 <erlich> the MS one is good enough and 'free'
08:00 <Warren1984> whats it called exactly
09:00 <erlich> http://www.sevenforums.com/installation-setup/99414-using-built-text-speech-function.html
09:00 <erlich> i think it's "Narrator"
09:00 <erlich> control panel->ease of access
10:00 <Warren1984> That is crap
10:00 <Warren1984> it just reads stuff out
10:00 <Warren1984> that you click on
10:00 <erlich> yes, you just asked that
11:00 <erlich> there are probably free programs out there that arent far off from dragon too
11:00 <Warren1984> well the reason I got it is for tafe
12:00 <Warren1984> erlich if I focus only on the theory of forklifts then I will get a tablet on completion
12:00 <erlich> how much did you pay for the course?
12:00 <Warren1984> I learn about the laws
12:00 <Warren1984> $0
12:00 <erlich> who paid>
12:00 <Warren1984> free from the government
12:00 <erlich> government?
12:00 <erlich> cool
12:00 <Warren1984> yes
12:00 <erlich> so do it
12:00 <erlich> there's no harm in this one
12:00 <erlich> go ahead
13:00 <Warren1984> I get a free tablet, not sure if its at the end of the course or if I pass the course
13:00 <Warren1984> I cannot pass without the practical
13:00 <erlich> just if you finish it -- regardless f grades i reckon
13:00 <erlich> what sort of tablet
13:00 <erlich> some tablets are dirt cheap like $39 now
13:00 <Warren1984> if you know the theory, you can tell off employees who are doing the wrong things
14:00 <Warren1984> andriod
14:00 <Warren1984> I wonder if Tigger_ would load clip clop up with tomahawks and go hunting in Africa
17:00 <Warren1984> what would you use a tablet for anyway?
17:00 <Warren1984> ordering in new stock?
18:00 <Warren1984> and wirelessly transmit it to my laptop
18:00 <Warren1984> bee_girl -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Contents/Lists
19:00 <Warren1984> the internet is literally has so much knowledge, you could make countless lists, SOPs
19:00 <erlich> Warren1984, it's just a gimmick to get people to sign up
19:00 <Warren1984> what the tablet?
19:00 <erlich> yes
19:00 <erlich> they do it with a lot of courses now
19:00 <erlich> it'
19:00 <erlich> s everywhere
19:00 <Warren1984> better than nothing
19:00 <erlich> "free tabket"
19:00 <erlich> yes, you paid nothing
20:00 <erlich> so this is cool
20:00 <erlich> hopefully it's a good one
20:00 <Warren1984> erlich lets say I focus on theories, because that is my natural motivation, why not pursue that and occassionaly make SOPs
30:00 <Warren1984> Only by Dragon NaturallySpeaking out of impulse bought it because it's recommended for people with A.D.
31:00 <Warren1984> only by = I only purchased Dragon NaturallySpeaking
31:00 <Warren1984> A.D. = ADD
31:00 <Warren1984> see how easy it is to edit
31:00 <Warren1984> you guys already knew what I was saying
31:00 <Warren1984> or come close to interpreting what I have said
35:00 <Warren1984> that sucks when I turn on Dragon naturally speaking youtube stops working
36:00 <Warren1984> Ethanol look what xm found -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDhe1xeIiJE
36:00 <progressive> 1,0 You0,5tube  Family guy peter forklift fail to forklift skills
37:00 <Warren1984> Ethanol would you drive like that?
39:00 <Ethanol> Warren did you buy Dragon Naturally Speaking?
39:00 <Warren1984> yeah
39:00 <Warren1984> for my ADD
40:00 <Warren1984> can take my laptop in class and make notes with it
40:00 <Warren1984> by just talking on MS Word
40:00 <Warren1984> it's 99% accurate and evovles and gets more accurate
40:00 <Warren1984> with time
40:00 <Warren1984> even Tigger_ said it was good
41:00 <brettingham1boshMVP> Tigger_ said it was shit
41:00 <Warren1984> so much better than writing stuff down
41:00 <brettingham1boshMVP> so in class you are going to be talking?
41:00 <Warren1984> no when I read that thing on wikipedia about farting to strum
41:00 <Warren1984> he said it was good
41:00 <Warren1984> but it was a bit engrish like
42:00 <Warren1984> lets say you ask the lecturer lots of questions or you have a group discussion about questions in certain units
42:00 <Warren1984> it will put that in writing
42:00 <brettingham1boshMVP> it was $225 well spent seeing as you will attend the course for three days before quitting
42:00 <Warren1984> of which straight after class you can review and examine
43:00 <Warren1984> I have already been in the class for 6 days
43:00 <Warren1984> I can attend other courses
45:00 <Warren1984> self development courses at tuart college
46:00 <Warren1984> there is a free cert II in business
46:00 <brettingham1boshMVP> do you record everything your teacher says?
46:00 <Warren1984> not sure if I will be able to do that
46:00 <brettingham1boshMVP> what is the point of it then?
46:00 <Warren1984> yeah and then I edit the crap
46:00 <Warren1984> no I mean a free course
46:00 <Warren1984> because this is a free course
46:00 <Warren1984> yes and then I edit it
47:00 <brettingham1boshMVP> upload it so we can see
51:00 <Warren1984> Ethanol are you untouched by this story -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJf_3mHSxZg
51:00 <progressive> 1,0 You0,5tube  Young forklift operator breaks his back
55:00 <brettingham1boshMVP> upload it so we can see
57:00 <Warren1984> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUHzuvpJklQ
57:00 <progressive> 1,0 You0,5tube  Man falls into meat grinder in gruesome workplace accident
58:00 <brettingham1boshMVP> upload it so we can see
59:00 <Warren1984> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gga6AvrvEck
59:00 <progressive> 1,0 You0,5tube  Chinese man jumps to his death after shopping fight with girlfriend
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