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00:26:31 <jackbrown> I just finished to assemble my Transistor Tester GM328, everything seems to work fine less than the battery voltage reading it always read more (when I plug 9V it says 20V, when I plug 6V it says 18V) Any idea what's wrong ?
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07:18:08 <Agripa> Ah, another glorious day of beating up on Rigol in the forums.
07:52:15 <coppice_> the publicity always helps
08:01:09 <Agripa> I wish it encouraged Rigol to improve their quality.
08:04:19 <coppice_> high quality is so 1970s.
08:06:15 <Agripa> High quality is how the devil controls you.
08:11:47 <coppice_> come to think of it Tek wasn't even good quality in the 70s, but HP and others used to try hard in those days
08:18:40 <Agripa> I don't know about that. If you mean reliable, then nothing was reliable which is why assemblies were used and full documentation was provided.
08:20:28 <coppice_> Tek stuff was an unbalanced joke. Things like expensive elaborately lathe sculpted actuators pushing 1 cent slide switches, that eventually ripped out of the PCB and fell apart
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09:03:46 <Agripa> Huh? Those were injection molded.
09:04:49 <T3sl4> and then the TDS100s where the BNCs ripped off the board
09:07:18 <T3sl4> weird things happen when you turn a wide-margin company into a competitive company, i suppose; office politics and egos inevitably dominate, leading to a bizarre patchwork of well funded and underfunded departments, with differing priorities in their cost reduction methods (if any), and quality
09:08:24 <coppice_> Agripa: what were injection moulded?
09:19:38 <Agripa> T3sl4, that was 20 years later
09:20:28 <Agripa> coppice_, all of the plastic parts you are talking about. Tektronix was very vertically oriented for parts they could not aquire from others which allowed them to make a lot of custom parts economically.
09:20:53 <Agripa> Tektronix even had their own cable winding division for making probe cable and delay lines.
09:21:20 <Agripa> I suspect they were making their own power cords simply because they already had the infrastructure and I still can't find a power cord as good as theirs.
09:23:01 <Agripa> Funny story, when Tektronix sold off or discontinued these divisions after Dalhmer bought them, they had problems. After they got rid of the cable division, fired the people, and sold the equipment, they couldn't make *any* probes because nobody outside Tektronix made and sold probe cable openly. It had to be custom make for them at 10 times the cost.
09:23:30 <Agripa> There was no "probe cable" store and there still isn't.
09:24:17 <coppice_> Try looking in the amps and timebases of a 7000 or 5000 series scope. They use the crappiest off the shelf slide switches deep in the plugin, operated from the front panel by an elaborate lathe turned aluminium actuator
09:24:30 <Agripa> That's one of the reason Tektronix had so many complex controls on their instruments. They already had the infrastructure to make them economically.
09:25:14 <Agripa> Oh, those designs were changed over time. Some of the slide switches that they bought outside the company weren't very good. The later Tektronix designed ones were very good.
09:25:36 <Agripa> Those weren't Tektronix parts.
09:26:18 <Agripa> Later the turned aluminum rods only went on specialized plug-ins like the 7A13.
09:26:28 <coppice_> the ones made throughout the 70s were EXTREMELY unreliable. We perpetually had piles of broken 7000 modules in the repair queue
09:26:37 <Agripa> Tektronix wasn't big on redesigning anything so they kept a lot of old designs in production.
09:27:26 <Agripa> For designs which truely were bad like the mechanical counter in the 7A13, they were redesigned.
09:28:20 <coppice_> The Tek portable scopes were pretty reliable, but their lab ones were awful
09:28:30 <Agripa> The 7000 plug-ins went through at least 3 generations, excluding unique ones like the 7A13 and 7A212.
09:29:25 <coppice_> the module to mainframe connectors were pretty crappy too. pulling out modules and slamming them back in was a daily activity
09:29:55 <Agripa> So the dual trace 100 MHz 7A12 (1969), became the 7A18 (1971), which became the 7A18A (1983)
09:30:13 <Agripa> They were not designed or intended for that.
09:30:39 <coppice_> for what? working properly?
09:30:40 <Agripa> They were designed to make a customizational oscilloscope and not to swap plug-ins between mainframes.
09:31:29 <Agripa> Damage usually occured because people were rough with them or hot-plugged them although Tektronix originally did not warn against that.
09:31:52 <Agripa> Later mainframes included diode shunt protection on the readout pins to prevent electrical damage from hot-plugging.
09:32:23 <coppice_> they very specifically came to do presentations pushing the virtues of daily swapping of plugins. however, if you didn't want to change the modules, you still had to keep pulling them out, and slamming them back in to deal with bad connections
09:33:19 <Agripa> I've never had that problem myself but that sounds like a typical marketting lie. Daily plug-in swaps weren't intended.
09:33:52 <coppice_> they why were the modules made for quick exchange, and had no mechanism to lock them in place?
09:34:11 <Agripa> There *was* an optional mechanism to lock them in place.
09:34:25 <Agripa> Most people didn't order it.
09:34:42 <coppice_> we used to see visiting Tek engineers quite regularly in the late 70s, and they certainly didn't agree with you
09:34:46 <Agripa> The TM500/TM5000 mainframes has a similar option.
09:35:10 <Agripa> Those were the engineers who wrote the specifications or documentation.
09:35:13 <Agripa> weren't
09:36:13 <coppice_> They were actual development engineers. when Tek and HP launched new instruments in those days, some of the senior development engineers used to do world tours around major customers
10:28:06 Join: Halcyon_ ([email protected]) to #EEVblog
10:28:07 <Halcyon_> Moo
10:28:24 * Halcyon_ prods Ampera
10:41:11 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: Someone's been gutting PC's in the dumpster room... https://t.co/vRKyc7nfKZ
10:47:52 <Agripa> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D1VZZDcX4AAOLuK.jpg
10:49:48 <Halcyon_> Hah
10:49:49 <Halcyon_> Random
10:50:14 <Halcyon_> Installing Fedora now :)
10:50:17 <Halcyon_> I'm on my laptop
10:50:31 <Halcyon_> I think I'm going to give KDE a go
10:53:19 <Agripa> Soon this will be you, https://xkcd.com/349/
10:56:51 <Halcyon_> I'm already up and running :)
10:56:57 <Halcyon_> Just installing updates, software and drivers
11:04:22 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: I got roped into being the local soccer coach. There goes another couple of productive blog hours a week!
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11:18:55 <Halcyon> YAY
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12:21:30 <Halcyon> Well, I have to say, that install was rather painless
12:21:50 <Halcyon> I just need to work out what's causing an NMI error on reboot, but that's specific to my machine
12:44:32 <Agripa> https://gfycat.com/elegantnearindianspinyloach
12:46:36 <Halcyon> That's not ideal
13:16:05 <Agripa> Would you classify that as an operator error or a design error?
13:22:38 <Halcyon> Depends on the failure mode
13:26:06 <Agripa> My favorite failure mode is still disintegration.
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13:59:50 * Ampera licks Halcyon
14:03:18 <Halcyon> :)
14:03:19 <Halcyon> Moist
14:03:28 <Ampera> I'm not, I'm really thirsty
14:03:36 <Ampera> but I have a litre of dazzle, so Imma drink
14:04:04 <Halcyon> What's Dazzle?
14:04:33 <Ampera> something that nobody's ever heard of unless they've shopped at Aldi before like 2011-ish
14:04:58 <Ampera> it's basically soda with artificial fruit flavour.
14:05:02 <Halcyon> I almost never shop at Aldi
14:05:05 <Ampera> In other words water, air, and chemicals.
14:05:18 <Halcyon> Nom
14:05:20 <Ampera> Likely an American Aldi, but we shop there all the time, and I just went there earlier today.
14:05:21 <Halcyon> What flavour is it?
14:05:25 <Ampera> Strawberry
14:05:45 * T3sl4 poots on Ampera
14:06:01 <Halcyon> Poots?
14:06:08 <T3sl4> a cute little fart.
14:06:11 <Halcyon> Ah
14:06:13 <Halcyon> Hahaha
14:06:33 * Ampera throws a malfunctioning dolphin at T3sl4
14:06:34 <Halcyon> Like a queef but not from the front bottom
14:06:50 <Ampera> no
14:06:54 <Ampera> what
14:06:54 * T3sl4 sticks the dolphin in a GameCube
14:07:21 * Ampera Sticks T3sl4's stick in a sticky stick machine
14:07:47 <Halcyon> Well that was delicious
14:07:51 <Halcyon> I just had a steak and chilli pie
14:08:00 <T3sl4> is that a sticky stick machine that sticks sticky sticks?
14:08:06 <Halcyon> I had to add extra chilli though, it wasn't spicy enough
14:08:15 <Ampera> damn straight, and I'll stick it to ya
14:08:28 <T3sl4> \o/
14:08:53 <Halcyon> I was hoping my new SSD arrived today but it didn't :(
14:08:54 * T3sl4 sticks his sticky stick sticker in Halcyon's chilied pie
14:10:29 * Halcyon sticks his stick inside T3sl4
14:10:51 <Ampera> ew ew ew gay
14:11:02 <Halcyon> How would you know Ampera, you've never tried it
14:11:06 * T3sl4 am impale x_x
14:11:16 <T3sl4> Halcyon: try it with these instead https://i.imgur.com/e5HQE2w.jpg
14:11:28 <Halcyon> Hahaha
14:11:30 <Halcyon> Awesome
14:11:55 <Ampera> Halcyon, I'm pretty sure being fucked in the ass is gay
14:12:07 <Halcyon> Yes but you say ew as if its a bad thing
14:12:09 <Halcyon> How would you know
14:12:19 <T3sl4> Ampera, strapons
14:12:31 <Halcyon> I know a few straight guys who like it in there
14:13:00 <Ampera> I say ew not because it doesn't feel nice, I say ew because gay is bad
14:13:05 <Ampera> gay should be outlawed
14:13:34 <Ampera> it's immoral and against the teachings of christ
14:13:45 * T3sl4 christens Ampera with the mark of the beast instead
14:14:06 <T3sl4> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxnN05vOuSM
14:14:20 <Ampera> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWEytlrFT88 This is what I'm listening to
14:14:39 <Ampera> I'm just mad that I caught the homosexuality from someone
14:14:49 <Ampera> idk who, but spreading that kinda shit should be illegal
14:16:21 <T3sl4> find them and give them aids
14:18:05 <Halcyon> Hahaha
14:18:11 <Halcyon> The homme is so much fun though
14:18:56 <Halcyon> https://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/tv-and-radio/the-simpsons-pulls-michael-jackson-episode-citing-leaving-neverland-abuse-allegations-20190311-p51377.html
14:19:08 <Halcyon> It's this sort of shit that makes me hate Netflix etc...
14:19:17 <Halcyon> Don't tell me what I can and can't watch.
14:19:37 <Ampera> Who the fuck CARES
14:19:54 <Ampera> Mein Kampf still gets sold and read, and both Hitler and Jackson are long dead
14:19:59 <Halcyon> Exactly
14:20:03 <Halcyon> Just fucking leave shit be
14:20:26 <Ampera> no amount of wiping out of his content is going to change anything, besides support the destruction of a legacy just from unproven and highly contested allegations.
14:20:42 <Halcyon> Yup
14:21:14 <Halcyon> I'm going to make a point to drive around with the windows down playing Michael Jackson songs
14:21:24 <Ampera> but I bet you this is how The Simpsons intends to stay relevant, by being the source of people wondering why they're so fucking retarded
14:21:44 <Ampera> Watch as Gen Z has no clue who that is.
14:22:04 <Ampera> I actually remember exactly where I was and when Michael Jackson's death was announced on the radio.
14:22:10 <Halcyon> The world is just getting dumber and dumber with each generation
14:22:41 <Ampera> I was laying in my room, listening to my radio, forget what station. It was in the house Iived in before this one, in 2009 I believe.
14:22:42 <Ampera> I was 7.
14:23:11 <Halcyon> Also, this shit makes me angry: https://www.news.com.au/finance/business/media/cnn-to-be-sued-for-more-than-355m-over-vicious-and-direct-attacks-on-covington-high-student-lawyer/news-story/c0807eb51d4aa06a5a4c0688a6c474fc
14:23:12 <Ampera> Yeah 2009
14:23:22 <T3sl4> this will make it all better https://i.imgur.com/pUfeYbM.jpg
14:23:23 <Halcyon> That kid just needs a smack to the back of the head
14:23:29 <Ampera> O
14:23:39 <Ampera> I'm in full support of that kid, and I think CNN should get sued.
14:23:44 <Halcyon> What for?
14:23:48 <Ampera> They sensationalized and set fire to a situation that wasn't that fucking serious.
14:24:05 <Halcyon> The kid might be correct, but he has this self-entitled smugness about him which I hate
14:24:18 <Ampera> That kid did NOTHING but sit there while some guy drummed in his face, and out of all of what transpired, I don't think anything bad happened that he was responsible for.
14:24:29 <Halcyon> What was he doing there in the first place?
14:24:30 <Ampera> So you want him to be beaten because he's SMUG?
14:24:40 <Halcyon> Yes, he should go out and get a job
14:24:41 <Halcyon> :P
14:24:42 <Ampera> I don't know, what do kids do at school?
14:25:03 <Ampera> That was on a school sports field afaik
14:25:23 <Halcyon> School kids should be at school
14:25:31 <Halcyon> Not marching or protesting about whatever
14:25:49 <Ampera> THEY WERE AT SCHOOL
14:26:02 <Ampera> This all happened on school grounds
14:26:08 <Halcyon> At school as in learning something
14:26:14 <Halcyon> Not faffing around with nonsense
14:26:27 <Ampera> You know how long US school days are? You get time to walk around outside and do stuff
14:26:30 <Halcyon> Shit like this solves nothing for either party
14:26:33 <Ampera> or maybe school wasn't in session and he got out
14:26:39 <Ampera> He didn't /do/ anything.
14:26:51 <Halcyon> Then why was he there?
14:26:55 <Halcyon> Why was anyone there?
14:27:01 <Ampera> Why is anyone at a school?
14:27:10 <Halcyon> You're missing the point
14:27:13 <Halcyon> It was a demonstration
14:27:36 <Ampera> Afaik he might have been in a pro-life demonstration, but iirc that happened before this situation, maybe even on a different day.
14:27:36 <EEVBlog> 42, Ampera!
14:27:40 <Ampera> I do not recall, though.
14:27:48 <Ampera> ooh, what's the chance of /that/ happening
14:28:05 <Halcyon> And I don't think it's a coincidence that students were wearing "Make America Great Again" caps
14:28:20 <Halcyon> I wonder if someone put them up to it perhaps?
14:28:50 <Ampera> I doubt they were put up to it, highschool students (they were my age) often have political opinions.
14:29:10 <Halcyon> I'm not saying they don't.
14:29:18 <Ampera> MAGA hats are often more of a joke at this point than a political statement, but they're probably Trump supporters.
14:29:59 <Ampera> It doesn't matter who put them up to anything, these kids were publicly vilified as violent racists in front of a nation, destroying their futures.
14:30:18 <Halcyon> I think this will have little impact on their futures to be honest
14:30:23 <Ampera> You don't know how much shit shit can hurt people, Halcyon, these kids might have a hard time getting /jobs/ in the future, or living any semblance of a normal life.
14:30:38 <Halcyon> Most people will forget once it blows over. People already did forget until the lawsuit was brought up
14:30:47 <Ampera> What about Markus Meechan?
14:30:53 <Halcyon> I don't even know who the fuck he is
14:30:59 <Ampera> Count Dankula
14:31:06 <Halcyon> *stares blankly*
14:31:28 <Ampera> The man who filmed a joke video where he trained his pug to look at him when he said gas the jews
14:31:40 <Halcyon> Yeh kind of rings a bell
14:31:42 <Halcyon> What about him?
14:32:06 <Ampera> He filmed that video almost 3 years ago, and very recently he was just thrown off a BBC show he was on because of the media pushing that story forward.
14:32:29 <Halcyon> He might have filmed it 3 years ago, but it was only recently in the media
14:32:33 <Ampera> They've tracked and attacked him ever since his arrest, and he can't even get a job with a BBC.
14:32:47 <Ampera> No? It's been in the media for almost 3 years.
14:33:26 <Ampera> http://www.timesofisrael.com/scottish-man-arrested-for-teaching-dog-to-give-nazi-salute/?fb_comment_id=995660780481321_1615351565178903
14:33:34 <Ampera> 9th of May, 2016
14:33:34 <Halcyon> Even still... he can only blame himself
14:33:38 <Halcyon> He uploaded the video for all to see
14:34:05 <Ampera> And faced legal repercussions as well as the irresponsible actions of media that had no clue what happened and took it upon themselves to be vigilantes.
14:34:30 <Ampera> This is why people hate news and media, because they get people fucking scared and riled up about this, when it's not a big deal.
14:34:50 <Halcyon> I'm not defending the media, they take all sorts out of context all the time. But what I'm saying is in both cases, the actions of the individual was directly related to the outcome
14:35:14 <Halcyon> Whether the outcome is fair or not, they could have been avoided entirely.
14:35:30 <Ampera> Of course it's related to the outcome, if you call a serial killer stupid, and they kill you for it, that means the actions of the individual victim was related to the outcome.
14:35:49 <Ampera> That doesn't mean that he forced the man to kill him, or that he was responsible for his own murder
14:36:22 <Halcyon> In both cases, I certainly wouldn't put myself in the positions they did. Why? Because I have a brain and know when something is a good idea or not.
14:36:45 <Ampera> Bullshit, you've said and made far more heinous jokes in effectively public places.
14:36:49 <Ampera> I know, because I've seen them, here.
14:36:58 <Halcyon> I have?
14:37:09 <Halcyon> Name one
14:37:14 <Ampera> Retardistan.
14:37:20 <Halcyon> How is that offensive?
14:37:34 <Ampera> It places people with mental disabilities into an offensive space, it puts them down.
14:37:39 <Ampera> People get /really/ offended by that shit.
14:37:49 <Ampera> I think it's stupid, but they do, just like they get offended at a dog doing a trick
14:37:58 <Halcyon> You'll find people who will get offended about ANYTHING, it doesn't make it offensive
14:38:11 <Halcyon> I admit, it's not in good taste, but its far from offensive
14:38:22 <Ampera> And that's what my point is about Meechan.
14:38:31 <Ampera> It's not offensive, nobody got hurt in that case except him.
14:38:50 <Halcyon> But on that note, I don't go around calling people retards in public
14:38:53 <Ampera> Not a SINGLE PERSON can make ANY claim to being affected in ANY way by that case, besides Meechan, who has had his life changed forever.
14:39:05 <Ampera> This is public, Halcyon, it's a public IRC server.
14:39:11 <Ampera> Anyone can come in and go, there's no limits.
14:39:23 <Ampera> It's advertised with the express intent to garner as many participants as possible.
14:39:25 <Halcyon> Sure, but this isn't the same as reality
14:39:31 <Ampera> Why not?
14:39:34 <Halcyon> I don't exactly go around humping T3sl4 in real life
14:39:41 <Halcyon> Nor anyone else
14:39:47 <T3sl4> :(
14:39:50 <Ampera> That's not an apt comparison, because we're talking about things said, not actions mimed.
14:40:05 <Ampera> Saying something in text is just as bad, if not worse than saying it in speech.
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14:40:20 <Halcyon> OK, I don't go around calling people retards in real life
14:40:22 <Halcyon> But I do here
14:40:24 <Ampera> Text is published, and often permanent.
14:40:26 <Halcyon> It's different rules
14:40:32 <Ampera> This is real life.
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14:40:57 <Ampera> What you're saying is that the Internet places a different standard on harsh comedy than other forms of media.
14:40:57 <T3sl4> yeah but it's not slander if Ampera is actually a retard.
14:41:04 <Halcyon> What is said here has absolutely no attribution to me personally, as an individual
14:41:11 <Halcyon> I'm just a made up name on a screen
14:41:21 <Ampera> That is my point made and proven. His joke got pushed out onto different forms of media, and burned and sensationalized.
14:41:26 <Halcyon> I can be whoever I want to be online
14:41:28 <Halcyon> So can you
14:41:35 <Ampera> He made a joke on the internet, he was whoever he wanted to be online
14:41:35 <Halcyon> In real life, that is much more difficult
14:41:43 <Ampera> and he got overly punished for something that wasn't that deep.
14:41:44 <Halcyon> He put his name to it
14:41:59 <Ampera> Actually he didn't, he used an alias.
14:42:00 <Halcyon> I would never put my own name to something like that
14:42:06 <Ampera> Count Dankula.
14:42:11 <Ampera> He put his face to it, that's about as close as it got.
14:42:20 <Halcyon> A face is just as good as a name
14:42:57 <Halcyon> Anyway I have a phone meeting, Ill be back later
14:43:11 <Ampera> The point, besides, isn't if /you'd/ do it, it's that he did do it, and that his punishment, if there's even one that should be given, is by FAR disproportionate to any possible crime committed.
14:43:15 <Ampera> alright
14:49:26 <T3sl4> steve30: https://www.reddit.com/r/iamatotalpieceofshit/comments/azf2n2/how_the_uk_government_cuts_disability_benefits/ probably familiar or something :P
15:14:24 <T3sl4> https://www.reddit.com/r/comedyheaven/comments/azggj5/hes_lookin_kinda_thicc_doe/
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15:23:53 <Halcyon> Back
15:33:44 <Halcyon> Ampera, what's your opinion on Xfce ?
15:33:52 <Ampera> Never used it
15:34:03 <Ampera> windowmaker is probably better
15:38:12 <Halcyon> Why is that?
15:38:30 <Ampera> because I've tried a considerable number of window managers/DE's, and I've not found one better
15:38:48 <Ampera> I've tried GNOME, KDE, MATE, LXDE, LXQt, twm, fvwm, AfterSTEP
15:39:15 <Ampera> and out of all of those, windowmaker was the one I loved the most.
15:39:46 <Ampera> Oh, and Enlightenment, I tried that too
15:40:02 <Halcyon> WM reminds me of OS2 Warp
15:40:15 <Ampera> I've used OS/2 Warp 4, and it's considerably better
15:40:47 <Ampera> windowmaker is a very lightweight and minimal window manager, that manages to have an incredibly easy to use and configure interface, and a rich set of unusual features.
15:41:06 <Halcyon> BRB...
15:41:09 <Halcyon> Rebooting
15:41:11 <Ampera> It will take few system resources, can be skinned to high heaven by absolutely anyone.
15:41:12 <Ampera> alright
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15:53:47 <Halcyon> Yeh Xfce is much nicer than KDE
15:54:01 * Ampera shrugs
16:38:11 <Halcyon> I was watching Youtubes on my work laptop earlier, I don't know how anyone can deal with those ads. They are fucking relentless
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17:31:05 <steve30> T3sl4, looks normal
17:31:26 * T3sl4 hugs steve30 normally
17:39:22 * steve30 hugs T3sl4
17:39:28 <T3sl4> :)
17:39:42 <T3sl4> going anywhere today?
17:40:12 <steve30> yeah, playing golf this morning
17:40:33 <steve30> I don't know how much of the course I'll realistically be able to do though
17:40:34 <T3sl4> hopefully it doesn't rain out :P
17:40:58 <T3sl4> think i'm somewhere around 50 strokes.... for 9 holes
17:41:03 <T3sl4> as you might guess, i don't play very often :P
17:41:33 <steve30> I'm pretty much a beginner
17:45:43 <Halcyon> Hey Steve :)
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17:53:26 <IRCStats> Recalculating mIRCStats for #EEVblog
17:53:34 <IRCStats> New stats available for #EEVblog! Check out the stats at http://www.irc-stats.org/austnet/eevblog
17:53:34 <EEVBlog> If you keep saying that, I'm gonna hold you upside down and shake you until all the electrons fall out, IRCStats!
17:53:47 * T3sl4 snirks
18:00:43 <steve30> I see from the stats' Relation Map that Ampera and Halcyon still like each other :p
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18:31:13 <Halcyon> *grin*
18:31:18 <Halcyon> It's a love/hate thing
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19:40:31 <Halcyon> This is pretty fucking cool: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YEdHjGMeho
19:42:29 Quit: steve30 ([email protected]) Quit: <Baljem> steve30: by the way, I had the most bizarre dream the other day that someone came in here and seriously flipped their shit over your quit message and why aren't the ops /doing/ something about it
19:44:32 <Agripa> Lol. I'm not sure such small batches will be uniform enough.
19:45:20 <Agripa> I found that the mixing time has a more significant effect than minor ingredient varation or even a change between shortening and butter.
19:46:05 <Halcyon> I like the idea though
19:46:09 <Halcyon> Especially the UI
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20:03:51 <Agripa> It took me a couple years to figure out that my cookies were not coming out right because I wasn't mixing them well enough.
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22:04:52 <K> hello
22:07:01 <K> oh deary me, irc-stats
22:07:07 <K> is it 1999 again?
22:07:48 <Ampera> One of these days I intend to replace that, as soon as I want to do yet /more/ text parsing
22:08:31 <K> naa, it is fine, just hadn't seen it a looong time
22:08:35 <Ampera> I want to make it nice like the one jspiros has in AfterNET, maybe even see about it being truly dynamic (the HTML page is refreshed with new data as it comes in, or every 5 minutes or whatever)
22:08:51 <Ampera> What I don't like it is that it regens the stats so infrequently.
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22:17:48 <randohinn> o/
22:17:58 <Ampera> hullo
22:18:48 <randohinn> Is there any bad if I run my mosfet's gate line trough the gap, like so? https://imgur.com/a/C6PD2Dr
22:19:26 <randohinn> As it is literally the only way to route it so that all pads can have space to recieve the signals...
22:20:10 <randohinn> If I take it around from the left, VCC will be captured inside traces and have no access to where the power comes in from
22:23:34 <randohinn> Hope the mosfet will not affect it somehow
22:24:52 <Ampera> Forums might be a better place to ask if you need an answer.
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23:41:11 <Agripa> https://images.apina.biz/full/126375.jpg
23:47:13 <coppice_> That looks very fake
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