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00:50 <hatsunearu> ServalSpots: T3sl4 ya there?
00:59 <hatsunearu> https://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/391231/why-does-samsung-include-useless-capacitors
01:01 <hatsunearu> this is bugging me
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19:52 <steve30000> Looks like I'm playing golf on Monday.
20:16 <steve30000> I should ring the golf club to see if they have a dress code. The bloke I go with gets rather paranoid about these things.
47:24 <coppice_> I don't think a dress is suitabel attire for golf
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01:32 <Halcyon> Hahahah coppice_
02:01 <steve30000> Halcyon, meow
02:06 <Halcyon> :D
02:11 * Halcyon nuzzles steve30000 
02:52 Nick: steve30000 is now known as steve30
04:18 * T3sl4 muzzles Halcyon
04:27 <Halcyon> Meanie
04:40 <T3sl4> Bo Beanie
06:34 <T3sl4> guess it's finally time to order more LEDs, it's been like 6 years since i got a hundred or so, and they're all used up now
06:51 * steve30 cuddles Halcyon 
07:01 * T3sl4 scritches steve30 on the back
07:15 <steve30> T3sl4, I'm enjoying the high-CRI LED tape I got off ebay
07:28 <T3sl4> that's nice
07:30 * Halcyon plunges coffee
07:41 <Halcyon> What are you using it for Steve?
07:58 <steve30> see http://stevecoates.net/desk_lighting/4000k_bare_led_tape.JPG
08:07 <steve30> although I mostly use the 2700K stuff which i also put up
08:09 <Halcyon> Oooh I've always wanted to see you bare
08:40 <Halcyon> Gee that looks pretty good. Nice and even
09:13 <Halcyon> Are they dimmable as well?
09:26 <T3sl4> if it's just LEDs, depends on controller?
09:32 <steve30> yes, as they're hooked up to the bench PSU
10:05 <Halcyon> Are some LEDs not dimmable?
10:15 <Halcyon> Or is it all entirely controller dependant ?
10:17 <steve30> all LEDs are dimmable
10:22 <Halcyon> Ah there you go
10:25 <steve30> depends how much current you put trhough them
11:12 <T3sl4> white LEDs tend to have shitty CRI at low current, but otherwise they're completely dimmable
11:43 <Halcyon> I prefer warm white personally
11:47 <Halcyon> But not too warm
12:13 <steve30> I put up both 2700K and 4000K strips, so I can pick and choose
13:00 <Halcyon> Nice
13:13 <steve30> I use the 2700K mostly
15:36 * steve30 wants to go to bed
15:53 <Halcyon> What's stopping you?
16:21 <steve30> IRC :p
16:32 <Halcyon> Hehehe
16:37 * T3sl4 paws around on steve30's bed, hogging its warms
16:39 <Halcyon> What time is it there?
17:26 <steve30> 2222
18:01 <Halcyon> Do you want to see something totally adorable T3sl4 ?
18:44 <T3sl4> what now :P
19:13 <Halcyon> https://i.imgur.com/YshVhRH.jpg
19:21 <Halcyon> Friends of mine are moving
19:29 <Halcyon> Their poodle got in the box
19:33 <T3sl4> hah!
19:42 <steve30> aww
19:57 <T3sl4> beret of poodle? on your noodle it shall rest...
20:06 <Halcyon> He is so fucking cute
21:10 <steve30> I wish I had someone to cuddle with under my duvet
21:22 <Halcyon> I'd offer but you're so far away
28:53 <steve30> ok, bed time.
29:28 <Halcyon> Sweet dreams Steve
33:49 <Halcyon> T3sl4, everyone else, do you guys use Linked in?
44:12 <T3sl4> have it, wouldn't say i "use" it much
49:14 <Halcyon> It seems a lot of people in my industry use it, but I've always viewed it as "Facebook for Professionals"
49:21 <Halcyon> (and I hate Facebook)
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12:47 <T3sl4> i got my best paying job via linkedin
14:47 <coppice_> was is a job supplying spam?
14:53 <coppice_> was it
16:56 <T3sl4> certainly not
17:05 <T3sl4> I'm a lumberjack. And I'm alright.
17:21 <coppice_> is linkedin in any other business?
18:50 <Halcyon> I'm in two minds about it. As I said, it seems a lot of people use it, but I also work in a high-security industry.
19:05 <Halcyon> It would go against my better judgement to have personal information like that for all to see
19:15 <coppice_> nobody's job is that secure any more
19:42 <Halcyon> How do you mean?
21:28 <coppice_> I'd vote for anyone who wants to put scum like linkedin out of business
22:03 <Halcyon> I take it you aren't a fan?
22:35 <coppice_> spammers shouldn't just be out of business. they need a lifetime of serious constipation
23:03 <Halcyon> Heh
24:59 <Halcyon> I probably won't bother then, I'll network the old fashioned way
25:03 <Halcyon> It's always worked well for me
26:19 <coppice_> A lot of people seem to find linkedin. In their early days I was getting about 100 spam emails a day from them, so I've only ever wanted them to die. these days the spam is down to a few a week
26:34 <coppice_> A lot of people seem to find linkedin useful.
05:24 <DHess_US> Need to add this as a critical failure to the movement results table. https://www.theoaklandpress.com/news/local/man-falls-into-tank-of-sulfuric-acid-in-south-lyon/article_53e93678-2cb1-11e9-b600-2b1613a05899.html
25:37 <coppice_> DHess_US: That's unavailable from the EU
26:11 <Halcyon> What the actual fuck: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o50_ZlMnjqY
26:20 <Halcyon> Are people seriously this stupid?
27:20 <coppice_> Halcyon: the self help section of a US book store is huge. They even have self help stuff to help you find the self help section
27:36 <Halcyon> *palm*
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14:16 <DHess_US> coppice_, man fell into tank of hot sulfuric acid.
15:24 <T3sl4> fucking ouch
35:38 <DHess_US> https://www.google.com/search?q=man+tank+sulfuric+acid
35:52 <DHess_US> Ah, and he died. Burns over 100% of his body.
36:17 <DHess_US> I dumped a reagent bottle worth of concentrated nitric acid down my leg once. That was not fun.
36:31 <DHess_US> But sulfuric acid is much worse.
47:49 <T3sl4> DHess_US: when the yellow skin peeled off, did you try burning it to see if it would act like flash paper?
48:53 <DHess_US> haha. There was so much that the skin went past the yellow stage to gray and sloughing off.
49:34 <T3sl4> not easy to strip and flush that much area of skin, that's for sure
49:35 <DHess_US> There is a different between incidental exposure and pouring a reagent bottle worth down your leg.
50:28 <T3sl4> did it get hot?
57:14 <DHess_US> Yea, the reaction was exothermic but not as much as with sulfuric acid.
57:38 <DHess_US> So you get both a heat burn and caustic burn. The heat was actually what I felt first.
58:27 <DHess_US> Sulfuric acid is much worse because its affinity for water is so much greater that it pulls the water out of hydrocarbons leaving ... carbon.
58:44 <T3sl4> yeah
58:46 <DHess_US> Nitric acid mostly just attacks the top layer of skin.
59:02 <T3sl4> no idea if the guy who fell in, if that was a dilute solution, or concentrated
59:26 <T3sl4> battery acid at 160F isn't going to be a good day, regardless
59:31 <DHess_US> Article said it was heated which wouldn't help but since they recovered him alive for the hospital, it wasn't concentrated.
59:58 <DHess_US> It was acid for hardening (?) steel pipes.
00:07 <DHess_US> I'm not familiar with that process.
00:42 <T3sl4> just sounds like bad journalism
01:08 <T3sl4> "pickle" for cleaning steel after a hot operation is pretty normal
02:14 <DHess_US> Probably
33:14 <Halcyon> Mmm pickles
33:26 <Halcyon> I should have got some pickled veges while I was at the shops
37:08 * T3sl4 cracks open and slams a whole fucking jar of bread and butter pickles
37:20 <T3sl4> mmm, now those are some good cukes
38:18 <Halcyon> What's a bread and butter pickle?
38:29 <T3sl4> sweet
39:35 <Halcyon> I like those little cornichons
39:40 <Halcyon> They are nummy
39:52 <T3sl4> cornish hens?
39:53 <T3sl4> :P
39:59 <Halcyon> Also delicious
18:32 <Halcyon> T3sl4: Can you come yank on something for me? :P
18:50 <T3sl4> i'm the yank.
18:59 <Halcyon> I need someone to weed my lawn and pull a few roots :)
19:24 <T3sl4> typical Halcyon, can only think about rooting and yanking
19:43 <Halcyon> You know me too well
20:05 <Halcyon> Can you come to Australia instead, that way I don't have to deal with Ampera ;-) :P
20:09 <Halcyon> *prods Ampera*
23:00 <Ampera> hi Halcyon
23:15 <Ampera> you have a recent habit of tagging me right as I get up
23:30 <Halcyon> That's because I watch you sleep :)
23:40 * T3sl4 noogies Ampera
23:54 * Ampera bites T3sl4's hand off, for he is hungry.
24:09 <T3sl4> are you a llama now?
24:11 <Ampera> there's nothing like waking up at midnight
24:32 <Halcyon> Just wait until you're old Ampera, at least when you have to get up to pee, you'll already be awake
24:46 <Ampera> I never pee
25:16 <Halcyon> You're 100% efficient?
25:25 <Ampera> no
25:41 <Ampera> oh and I now have my 4th monitor back
25:47 <T3sl4> the magic of fistulas
25:55 <Halcyon> \o/
28:49 <Ampera> I suddenly have the urge to consume considerable quantities of rump.
36:09 <Halcyon> ;-)
36:23 <Halcyon> BBQ'd so you get that kind of burnish on the edges?
36:27 <Halcyon> But still pink in the middle?
44:01 <Ampera> http://prntscr.com/mvre8h
44:10 <Ampera> Well I tried to install a weather dockapp, and that's what I get
44:22 <Ampera> I have pretty good vision but I have to press my face to my screen to see that.
45:51 <Halcyon> Yeh that's a bit nuts
02:33 * Ampera throws jerky at Halcyon 
02:48 <Halcyon> Nom
03:04 <T3sl4> mmm, jerked meat
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24:38 <Halcyon> I'm making my own sausage rolls
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10:17 <Halcyon> Holy crap they were delicious
20:29 <Ampera> hi Halcyon
20:30 <Ampera> how do
20:38 <Halcyon> I'm full
20:43 <Ampera> of shit?
20:55 <Halcyon> Nope, I pooped earlier
21:13 <Halcyon> I need to send you my sausage roll recipe. I think I've nailed it
21:31 <Halcyon> The key is a combination of pork and beef
22:23 <Ampera> I'm not even sure what a sausage roll is, let me look it up
22:38 <Ampera> oh, a sausage in a roll
22:45 <steve30> I should make sausage rolls sometime. I've had some sausage meat in the freezer for 9 years specifically for that purpose
22:47 <Ampera> never had one, unless you count hotdogs as sausage rolls
22:48 <Halcyon> It's minced meat, spices and sometimes veg wrapped in puff pastry
23:04 <Ampera> puff pastry is stupid expensive
23:17 <Halcyon> Hot Dogs = Hot Dogs, not sausage rolls
23:19 <Ampera> or stupid to make if you do it yourself
23:20 <Halcyon> Really!?
23:26 <Halcyon> Yeh fuck making it yourself
23:33 <Halcyon> The store-bought stuff is decent enough
24:05 <Halcyon> I guess they aren't a thing there? Like meat pies
24:23 <Halcyon> Here, if you run a bakery and *don't* have pies or sausage rolls, you're weird.
25:04 <Halcyon> As a meat eater yourself, I think you'd like them.
25:25 <Halcyon> steve30: 9 years? I think it might be past its desirable life :P
25:27 <Ampera> 2 sheets puff pastry, 17.3 oz is 5 USD
25:36 <Halcyon> FUCK ME
25:37 <Ampera> not as bad as I recall, maybe it's gotten cheaper, I recall it being stupid expensive
25:40 <Halcyon> Seriously?
25:51 <Ampera> yeah but that's over a pound of pastry
26:26 <Halcyon> Here, 6 sheets = AUD$5.50
26:30 <Ampera> I'd say that's actually pretty fair for something like that, no clue how much that goes, but considering it's /puff/ pastry.
26:33 <Ampera> Yeah, but how much is a sheet?
26:41 <Halcyon> 6 sheets = 1 KG
26:52 <Ampera> aw man you're making me do maths?
27:09 <Halcyon> 167g per sheet
27:16 <Ampera> yeah so these sheets are heavier
27:34 <Ampera> that price is for 500g of pastry
27:38 <Halcyon> I'd say the recipes would be different
27:54 <Halcyon> Puff you want to be thin, with super thin layers of butter in between. In the oven, they puff up
28:29 <Halcyon> So what starts out as ~2mm of raw pastry turns into about 60-70mm of cooked flakiness.
28:39 <Halcyon> Sorry, 6-7mm
28:54 <Ampera> yeah, but I'd imagine these sheets are larger not thicker
29:01 <Halcyon> Quite possibly
29:10 <Halcyon> Which means you could make super long ones
29:16 <Ampera> or cut the pastry
29:18 <Halcyon> (or just cut them into more bits)
29:29 <steve30> <Halcyon> FUCK ME < *eyes Halcyon up
29:41 <Halcyon> :P
29:46 <Halcyon> I'm usually a top
29:48 <Ampera> but yeah, puff pastry isn't that common. I for whatever reason remember puff pastry being even more expensive than that, like 12USD for a box of that, but I don't exactly keep prices of puff pastry in my mind at all times
29:51 <Halcyon> But I can make allowances :P
30:09 <Halcyon> When you come to AU, I shall cook for you
30:15 <Ampera> In other news, since I can't work on the bot at the moment, I'm setting up WeeChat on my server
30:16 <Halcyon> All the meats and pastries and such
30:24 <Halcyon> Weeeeee
30:41 <Ampera> I'll give you a 500 page dictionary containing descriptions of all the things I cannot eat or do not like
31:43 <steve30> I keep meaning to try the circa 2008 brocoli that's in the freezer
31:58 <Halcyon> I figure if I just avoid vegetables and seafood, I'll be OK
32:32 <Ampera> ya know what pisses me off
32:44 <Ampera> when addresses use / instead of : to denote port
32:55 <Halcyon> Who the fuck does that!?!
33:02 <Ampera> HexChat and WeeChat
33:06 <Halcyon> Are they retarded?
33:08 <Ampera> seems to be an IRC thing
33:11 <Ampera> probably
33:26 <Halcyon> To me, / denotes slash notation (subnets)
33:38 <Halcyon> Where does hexchat do it?
34:28 <Ampera> look in any connection info thing
34:31 <Ampera> like in the connections menu
34:37 <Ampera> they all do it
34:54 <Ampera> I think hexchat will change a : to a / if you do it, but not weechat
35:06 <Ampera> so it tried to connect to 127.0.0.1:2186 on port 6667
35:49 <Halcyon> All references to servers in hexchat that I can see uses :
36:00 <Halcyon> *ports
36:50 <Ampera> http://prntscr.com/mvt1wu
37:42 <Halcyon> Huh
37:45 <Halcyon> So it does
37:52 <Halcyon> Mine doesn't have ports by default
38:11 <Halcyon> So it assumes the usual 6667 (or 6697 for SSL)
38:29 <Halcyon> That is backwards though
38:45 <Ampera> 6667 is SSL
38:56 <Ampera> oh no it's not
38:57 <Ampera> nvm
39:02 <Halcyon> I was going to say :P
39:12 <Ampera> that is even weirder, because it was connecting on 6667 with SSL
39:22 <Halcyon> That will depend on the server side
39:30 <Halcyon> There is nothing that says you can't use 6667 with SSL
39:39 <Ampera> the port I use is 2186 with SSL
39:42 <Ampera> because why not
39:42 <Halcyon> It's just SSL and IRC weren't a thing back in the 1990's
40:22 <Ampera> SSL was a thing in 1995, no reason you couldn't use it on IRC
40:31 <Halcyon> It just wasn't done though
40:39 <Halcyon> And no client I knew of back then supported it
41:05 <Halcyon> Sort of like HTTPS
41:16 <Halcyon> Its far more popular now (in the last 10 or so years) than before
42:42 <Ampera> sounds gay, but aight
43:00 <Ampera> in other news weechat's working, just need to set a few things, and I can set this to exist on my server and probably never use it
45:41 <Ampera> and I can detach and reattach from any terminal, anywhere in the world, so long as I have the key
45:59 <Ampera> and if something goes down I can come back in here and check an always kept log (unless it's the server that goes down)
46:19 <Ampera> http://prntscr.com/mvt4jf
47:44 <Halcyon> Nice
52:31 <Ampera> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMm85cH00rU this is a good song
55:16 <Halcyon> You and fucking ELO
55:45 <Ampera> You might say, I Can't Get it Out of my Head.
55:59 <Halcyon> Eyyy Kylie reference :P
56:03 <Ampera> no?
56:09 <Ampera> who the fuck?
56:18 <Halcyon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPwtJ89jes4
56:27 <Ampera> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSA5mRcmLTI <- I meant this
59:48 <Halcyon> Meh
00:31 <Ampera> I will actually break all six of your legs.
01:29 <Halcyon> :P
05:46 <Ampera> Oh shit, Linux 5 is out
05:49 <Ampera> and my tablet's running it
05:55 <Ampera> I didn't even realise that
10:57 <Halcyon> Oh yeh
11:01 <Halcyon> I forgot about that
12:05 <Halcyon> I probably should update my machine :P
12:09 <Halcyon> I'm on 3.10
12:28 <Ampera> All of my Linux machines are rolling release Arch, so I get the most recent stable everything ever
13:30 <Halcyon> I'm going to switch to Fedora Workstation when I have a spare moment
13:36 <Halcyon> I like CentOS
13:41 <Halcyon> But I like Fedora better
14:10 <Ampera> I hate both of them because they aren't Arch
14:14 <Ampera> and thus aren't edgy enough for me
14:19 <Halcyon> Biased :P
14:51 <Ampera> How would I be biased beyond personal preference, which is what this discussion is about anways?
14:53 <Ampera> *anyways
15:22 <Ampera> going down
16:19 <Ampera> I'm back
16:32 <Ampera> Full update and reboot of two Linux boxes in ~ 3 minutes
23:46 <Halcyon> You make me want to format and install Fedora tonight
23:54 <Halcyon> EEVblog Time
23:54 <EEVBlog> Ah shoot, Doc! We've ended up at 20:28 Sydney time.
24:04 <Halcyon> Hmm... a bottle of wine in... I think I can do it
25:04 <Ampera> I place five told you sos that you somehow break something
29:09 <Ampera> Halcyon, https://i.redd.it/rl4vavzgx8l21.jpg
29:22 <Halcyon> Why would I break something?
29:56 <Ampera> because I always do, and I've been using Linux as my desktop operating system longer than you have.
33:03 <Halcyon> Sure
33:15 <Halcyon> But I've also used Linux regularly since I was an adult
33:30 <Ampera> I've used Linux since I was a child >:D
33:38 <Halcyon> I might be a noob to it fulltime but I'm not unfamiliar with it.
34:14 <Ampera> I've been using Linux since the last 3-4 years of GNOME 2 being a thing
34:29 <Ampera> but I've only been using it in a serious, well understood capacity for around 2 or so years
35:00 <Halcyon> :-) I'm going to do it
35:07 <Halcyon> I just need to back up my VM first
35:14 <Ampera> use arch >:((((
35:25 <Ampera> just so I can convert at least someone to my religion
35:48 <Halcyon> Religion is bullshit
35:58 <Halcyon> Tell me why I should use Arch over Fedora
36:00 <Ampera> not the church of the holy Arch
36:19 <Ampera> Competent package management, simple structure, with incredible documentation tailored specifically to Arch
36:39 <Halcyon> So pretty much like all the other major flavours?
36:43 <Ampera> The impulse to have you learn a little bit about your operating system's base functions, and the ability to customize and use whatever graphical environment.
37:17 <Ampera> I've never used Fedora, but Arch has some seriously awesome package management.
37:24 <Ampera> I know Fedora uses RPM
37:52 <Ampera> Probably the biggest advantage of Arch is being able to only put on what you want/need.
38:21 <Ampera> Most distros come with a load of crap that is annoying to get rid of, and that sacrifice resources for often poorly implemented attempts at simplification.
39:18 <Ampera> Arch is built on the concept of keeping the environment simple, with documentation that is widely considered to be some of the best in the Linux world. I also know how to use it.
39:55 <Ampera> At the end of the day, though, it's all Linux. They can all run the same programs in essence, and you can all get them into pretty similar working states if you want to, I just think Arch is very fun and easy over what I've seen of other distros.
45:36 <Ampera> gonna attempt a nap, night
46:34 <Halcyon> Laters
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