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00:07 <xm> yes, until my mother gave it all away to charity
00:12 <Marttin> LOL
00:14 <xm> we inherited them from an aunty
00:19 <xm> so she didnt know the value
00:23 <xm> typical mother thing
00:36 <Marttin> how the hell can a vinyl help?
00:59 <Marttin> anyway Im glad, good catholic mother
01:06 <xm> lol
01:58 <garrot> xm is a wannabe religious person
02:29 <Marttin> wannabe? isnt there yet?
02:52 <President_Trump> xm follows the religion of Tigger_
03:28 <Marttin> loyal
04:25 <garrot> he does
04:29 <garrot> he follows anything Tigger_ does
04:34 <garrot> because he is a complete retard
07:18 <NeXus> katonickate is looking for you garrot
07:34 <NeXus> she said she loves you alot
07:42 <NeXus> she can do anything for you pliv
09:21 <garrot> i will come back
09:24 <garrot> when ban is lifted
10:10 <NeXus> rofl President_Trump is also banned at melb
15:41 <Warren1984> NeXus are you highly unstable
20:00 <President_Trump> http://hwcdn.net/t3r3e5a7/cds/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/150816hillary.jpg?dopvhost=hw.infowars.com&x-hw-redirect=dop006.tk1.hwcdn.net
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21:49 <myimmortal> hello my disciples
22:03 <Marttin> props tho roberto
22:25 <Warren1984> hey Roberto
22:30 <myimmortal> thx martin
22:32 <Warren1984> Roberto are you prone to psychiatric problems or sudden changes of mood.
22:40 <NeXus> Warren1984, Have you taken your pills son?
22:41 Quit: President_Trump ([email protected]) Quit:
22:47 <Warren1984> yes
22:47 <myimmortal> hi wazza ofcourse
23:07 <Warren1984> otherwise I would have had a psychotic break with reality or committed suicide by now
23:20 <garrot> good evening Warren1984
23:32 <myimmortal> wazza you are a brilliant man
23:34 <Warren1984> my anti-psychotics prevent me from psychosis and or suicide
24:03 <myimmortal> what you on wazza and dosages
24:12 <Warren1984> many different meds
24:20 <Warren1984> seroquel 600mg
24:37 <Warren1984> xm would be fine on 800mg of seroquel
25:10 <garrot> lol
25:17 <garrot> seroquel
25:17 <Warren1984> I wonder what causes mental illnesses?
25:27 <garrot> being a retard causes it
25:43 <myimmortal> what other meds are you on wazza
25:50 <Warren1984> I think it has something to do with brain damage
25:56 <Warren1984> aropax for OCD
26:10 <Warren1984> epilum
27:32 <Warren1984> All ESFJs have a natural tendency to want to control their environment. Their dominant function demands structure and organization, and seeks closure. ESFJs are most comfortable with structured environments.
27:49 <Warren1984> meaning if you structure and organize your environment then you would be fine
46:50 <NeXus> Warren1984 haven't taken his pills tonight
47:25 <garrot> nope he hasnt lol
47:29 <garrot> he's wanting to rape jen too
47:50 <NeXus> nah jen has already rejected him
48:04 <NeXus> jen told me that he's a serious mental patient same as tisk
48:21 <Marttin> lol
48:30 <Marttin> that girl is evil
49:55 <Marttin> did she say something about me?
51:36 <NeXus> nah Marttin she likes you
51:58 <NeXus> she hates tisk
52:15 <NeXus> faggot forced her for a kiss lol
52:34 <Marttin> what kept her away from going to the cops?
53:10 <NeXus> she thought tisk is a poor fgt
53:32 <NeXus> he cant even afford a drink man
53:35 <myimmortal> Great Artists Of Anxiety
53:42 <NeXus> so how could he do anything else?
55:21 <garrot> tisk is a useless fuckwit
55:25 <garrot> looks like a string bean faggot
55:33 <garrot> scarecrow looking fucker
58:00 <Marttin> he reminds me of usain bolt
58:24 <Marttin> both very tall, can go from a serious face to a very smilling one
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59:14 <Marttin> http://coastaldigest.com/images/stories/pictures/Aug2016/Aug12/usain-bolt.jpg <- tisk right before starting the suffle
05:49 <garrot> lol
05:57 <garrot> Marttin what do you think of jen?
07:15 <Marttin> I dont know her
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08:49 <garrot> but you call her monster?
09:30 <Marttin> LOLLLLLLLLLLLLL
09:33 <Marttin> yes
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10:35 <Marttin> every overweight female becomes a monster, nothing personal
11:55 <garrot> ahhh
11:58 <garrot> so she is overweight to you?
12:31 <Marttin> or was, since we have seen before and after pics of her face, but only before of her body
12:52 <Marttin> she seems thinner in her last face pics
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13:38 <garrot> yes but that means nothing
13:43 <garrot> unless you see a proper full body shot
13:45 <garrot> it could be anything
14:44 <\^a|Romeo_]> free fat
15:12 <Marttin> thats right, we ask her about a full body photo, but she just tells us she is 400kg
15:36 <Marttin> I think she does it to make me feel relief
16:05 <Marttin> if she couldnt be called monster it wouldnt be the same
16:28 <garrot> thats true
17:04 <Marttin> on the contrary you only attack tisk
17:19 <Tim-Sim> $27 million of fraudulent child care claims paid by Australian tax payers funneled to ISIS http://www.news.com.au/national/courts-law/sydney-day-childcare-business-linked-to-widescale-fraud-of-childcare-funds-for-terrorist-purposes/news-story/fbb1fa26ff7b2a5e1ebab64900595951
17:57 * garrot slaps Tim-Sim around a bit with a large trout
18:28 * \^a|Romeo_] slaps Tim-Sim around a bit with a large trout
24:52 * \^a|Romeo_] slaps \^a|Romeo_] around a bit with a large trout
24:55 * \^a|Romeo_] slaps garrot around a bit with a large trout
25:23 <Warren1984> cauliflower and broccolli soup
25:25 <Warren1984> yum
25:41 * garrot slaps Warren1984 around a bit with a large trout
25:51 * \^a|Romeo_] slaps Warren1984 around a bit with a large trout
27:06 <\^a|Romeo_]> peace
29:26 * garrot slaps \^a|Romeo_] around a bit with a large trout
29:58 <\^a|Romeo_]> !seen sugar
30:04 * \^a|Romeo_] slaps \^a|Romeo_] around a bit with a large trout
30:08 * \^a|Romeo_] slaps Tim-Sim around a bit with a large trout
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31:54 <\^a|Romeo_]> * \^a|Romeo_] slaps Tim-Sim around a bit with a large trout
31:54 <\^a|Romeo_]> <\^a|Romeo_]> haha
31:54 <\^a|Romeo_]> <\^a|Romeo_]> fuck it
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51:43 <High> just kill me
51:58 <High> if no woman is man enough
02:14 <High> my cat loves me
02:29 <High> I'm not a bad person
02:54 <High> wake up before i am dead
11:08 <High> I've been raped
11:13 <High> yet no woman
11:18 <High> cares
11:53 <High> u put up with what I've gone thru
13:53 <High> women will sleep with anybody doesn't need love but not me
15:33 <High> I'm going to die before I hear a real I lov u
16:28 <High> I've had sex in my life for like 15 minutes
17:03 <High> you really gotta fix your shit women
19:03 <High> u know when I had that sex when I was 16
19:23 <High> 20 years pasted
19:38 <High> not one human on this planet
22:56 <High> u go without sex all your life
23:11 <High> then say you're a man
26:37 <High> then when I get chance to be with a woman I get called faggot
26:57 <High> u remove all banns
27:12 <High> or I will hunt u down
27:17 <High> and end your life
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56:37 Mode: (by ChanOP) +h Ethanol
03:24 <High> I love jen
03:39 <High> u got problem with that????
06:01 <Ethanol> I don't have a problem with that, but there are at least 10 thirsty cucks on Austnet that might
06:27 <High> lol
34:07 <High> I loveyou
34:27 <High> i gone to end the brink of insanity
34:52 <High> and I came back only cause I have love for you
35:32 <High> wish I was older
36:02 <High> i love a woman little bit too much
36:07 <High> older than me
36:57 <High> she reminds me of my teacher that gave me my first erection
37:37 <High> I was like stop it my pants hurt
37:47 <High> i was in grade 3
37:52 <High> or four
40:28 <High> doesn't Matter age
40:53 <High> i would rather love a woman
41:08 <High> then the moron little girls on here
43:21 <High> killed a spider
43:26 <High> lol
43:51 <High> what's wrong with love
44:11 <High> don't matter how old
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44:20 <High> I'm not a teenager
45:00 <High> I love lwaxana mmmmmm
47:34 <Glenn> Christopher.. go to sleep.
48:04 <High> hi Glenn
48:14 <High> i do love her but
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50:54 <Ethanol> lwaxana is really a dude
51:45 <High> well
52:00 <High> i know
52:15 <High> so was suzi
52:25 <High> cause she has balls
52:40 <High> to block me all the time
53:20 <High> my great uncle
53:30 <High> was police commissioner
53:40 <High> of Victoria
54:00 <High> and u dumb cunts start on me
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23:36 <Ethanol> Australian water polo lesbians choke
28:47 <Tigger_> did they get a medal?
30:00 <Ethanol> they get a participation medal, like the rest of our precious little millennial darlings
31:03 <Ethanol> $250 million per year millennial darlings, and that is the AIS budget alone
31:13 <Tigger_> perhaps Australia should petition the Special Olympics to include anxiety as a qualifying disorder
31:29 <Ethanol> I'd like to know where that money is going, because it sure isn't going to training expenses
33:17 <Tigger_> there would probably be well over a hundred bureaucrats per athlete that makes it to the Olympics
35:40 <Ethanol> yes, and they also need another 100 bureaucrats to manage diversity scholarships for muslim LGBT abos.
41:22 <Tigger_> they had this problem last Olympics too, I assumed that they would have addressed it by now, but I suppose that would mean toughening them up
52:57 <Tigger_> IBM and the ABS were offered DDoS prevention services from their upstream provider, NextGen Networks, and said they didn't need it.
53:01 <Tigger_> http://risky.biz/censusfail
53:15 <Tigger_> IBM has been making a lot of money out of Australia
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28:43 <Tigger_> rather concerning, I have a two year account with Uploaded: https://torrentfreak.com/court-uploaded-net-failed-to-prevent-piracy-faces-damages-160812/
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46:04 <Apologies> hey
47:30 <Apologies> looking at picture of most beautiful woman in world
47:50 <Apologies> man I'm so lucky
47:59 <Apologies> i got to
48:09 <Apologies> hug her
48:40 <Apologies> little button nose
49:40 <Apologies> I get shivers
51:30 <Apologies> when I moved in
51:50 <Apologies> i adored way she said what
52:25 <Apologies> she was my first
52:45 <Apologies> how can u not love your first
55:36 <Tigger_> who is she?
56:12 <Apologies> lbn
57:07 <Apologies> hi Tigger_
58:52 <Apologies> she is only real friend I ever had
01:24 <Apologies> it was so funny she reminds me of Cheshire cat
01:34 <Apologies> Catand we used to do lsd
02:39 <Apologies> guess this is wonderland
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25:05 <Warren1984> hi all
25:15 <Apologies> hi Warren1984
25:20 <Warren1984> hey Apologies
25:27 <Warren1984> hey Tigger_
25:32 <Apologies> coffee lol
25:45 <Tigger_> hello Warren1984
26:03 <Tigger_> I just downloaded the Starship Troopers 1080p bluray rip
26:14 <Apologies> got no smokes again rofl
26:44 <Apologies> u got dragon tiger gate Tigger_
26:49 <Apologies> that's good movie
27:04 <Tigger_> I've not heard of that
27:10 <Apologies> ip man are good too
27:40 <Tigger_> I only download bluray rips
28:16 <Apologies> yeah
28:26 <Apologies> u got existenz
28:46 <Apologies> or dark city
28:51 <Apologies> or 13 th floor
28:52 <Tigger_> I do have Dark City
29:15 <Tigger_> and yes, I just checked, I have Existenz and 13th Floor
29:36 <Apologies> cool they best
30:30 <Apologies> u got evil dead
30:44 <Tigger_> yep
30:54 <Apologies> 2nd and 3rd are only good ones
31:54 <Warren1984> hey Arbition
31:54 <Apologies> I've only got 400 movirs
32:05 <Warren1984> Arbition what causes someone to become nihilistic?
32:13 <Tigger_> I have 6,507 films
32:43 <Apologies> lol
33:44 <Apologies> so lucky I home
33:53 <Apologies> I've been going stupid
34:16 <Warren1984> Tigger_ that is 6,507 charges that could be laid against you
34:26 <Warren1984> it's immoral
34:26 <Apologies> sockzie made me feel better fell sleep on couch
34:46 <Apologies> woke up she was sleeping near my head
34:56 <Tigger_> cats are never wrong
35:26 <Warren1984> Apologies you should get a rabbit
35:30 <Tigger_> Warren1984, if a bluray is $30 on average, that is $195,210 worth
35:42 <Tigger_> Sockzie would eat the rabbit
35:51 <Warren1984> Tigger_ you might get arreste
35:54 <Warren1984> arrested
36:03 <Tigger_> who is going to report me?
36:10 <Warren1984> me
36:17 <Tigger_> that is very mean of you
36:41 <Warren1984> do you think I am serious?
37:06 <Warren1984> Tigger_ what causes someone to become nihilistic?
37:49 <Tigger_> perhaps a lot of disappointment in life
38:37 <Warren1984> what about others esp criminals or bullies?
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40:40 <Tigger_> well a lot of them are born into violent, destructive homes, so pleasure is the only thing that means anything to them
40:47 <Warren1984> Tigger_ -> ESFJs who have had the benefit of being raised and surrounded by a strong value system that is ethical and centered around genuine goodness will most likely be the kindest, most generous souls who will gladly give you the shirt off of their back without a second thought. For these individuals, the selfless quality of their personality type is genuine and pure. ESFJs who have
40:47 <Warren1984> not had the advantage of developing their own values by weighing them against a good external value system may develop very questionable values. In such cases, the ESFJ most often genuinely believes in the integrity of their skewed value system. They have no internal understanding of values to set them straight. In weighing their values against our society, they find plenty of support
40:47 <Warren1984> for whatever moral transgression they wish to justify. This type of ESFJ is a dangerous person indeed. Extraverted Feeling drives them to control and manipulate, and their lack of Intuition prevents them from seeing the big picture. They're usually quite popular and good with people, and good at manipulating them. Unlike their ENFJ cousin, they don't have Intuition to help them
40:47 <Warren1984> understand the real consequences of their actions. They are driven to manipulate other to achieve their own ends, yet they believe that they are following a solid moral code of conduct.
43:04 <Tigger_> I find a lot of bad behaviour is justified by self-licensing, where someone does what they imagine to be a good deed, which then allows them to behave badly in some other area
43:41 <Tigger_> such as "I supported gay marriage on facebook, so I'm a good person, now I get to do something bad."
48:51 <Warren1984> All ESFJs have a natural tendency to want to control their environment. Their dominant function demands structure and organization, and seeks closure. ESFJs are most comfortable with structured environments. They're not likely to enjoy having to do things which involve abstract, theoretical concepts, or impersonal analysis. They do enjoy creating order and structure, and are very
48:51 <Warren1984> good at tasks which require these kinds of skills. ESFJs should be careful about controling people in their lives who do not wish to be controlled.
49:19 <Warren1984> Type 8 (The Boss)
49:19 <Warren1984> Motivation: To be in control of their life/environment
49:46 <Warren1984> Their love is not entirely without ulterior motive.
50:25 <Warren1984> The darkest side of the type Two fixation appears when the Two begins to feel that they will never receive the love they deserve for all of their efforts. Under such circumstances, they can become hysterical, irrational and even abusive.
50:45 <Warren1984> Unhealthy Type 8: The Bully
50:45 <Warren1984> rage-aholic, controlling, abusive, violent
51:40 <Warren1984> do you think Mark Campbell was born into an abusive, violent home?
53:47 <Tigger_> I don't know
53:50 <Tigger_> did he say he was?
54:06 <Warren1984> this is the thing I don't understand "type 2's can be giving to others and this is their reason for being"
54:18 <Warren1984> but if you give and expect a return that is not giving
54:28 <Warren1984> that is an ulterior motive
54:40 <Warren1984> well he said his Dad was
54:52 <Warren1984> but I don't understand because he gets along with his Dad
56:04 <Tigger_> Type 2's are the most dangerous in my experience, they're highly manipulative
56:22 <Tigger_> such as a Type 2 will insist on doing a favour for you, even if you don't want them to
56:50 <Tigger_> then forever after they will keep reminding you about how they did you a favour
56:52 <Warren1984> but the thing is if you are on D$P and don't work, why can't you take practical care of yourself, instead of relying on Type 2's?
57:18 <Warren1984> so this makes type 2's redundant
57:58 <Warren1984> my ex-Psychiatrist kept saying I speak to abstractly
58:10 <Warren1984> but he really wants me to conform to ESFJ's expectations
58:21 <Warren1984> look at this -> <Warren1984> All ESFJs have a natural tendency to want to control their environment. Their dominant function demands structure and organization, and seeks closure. ESFJs are most comfortable with structured environments. They're not likely to enjoy having to do things which involve abstract, theoretical concepts, or impersonal analysis
58:34 <Warren1984> why can't you control your own environment
58:57 <Warren1984> why can't you structure and organize your own life
13:19 <xm> hi/bye all
15:02 <Warren1984> hey xm
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21:17 <xmmm> Just missed the bus
21:37 <Tigger_> how late will you be?
21:49 <xmmm> I wont be
22:08 <Tigger_> so another one along in a minute or two
22:10 <xmmm> I normally catch it an hour from now
22:31 <xmmm> Nah around 10 to 15
23:21 <Tigger_> what I hate are stops where nothing comes for ages, then suddenly 6 buses at once all turn up
23:59 <xmmm> How did you get toschool as a kid
24:27 <Tigger_> I walked, after I worked out that it didn't take much longer than riding a bike
24:51 <xmmm> How long did that take
25:30 <Tigger_> primary school about 20 minutes, highschool maybe 40-60 minutes, depending on how many distractions I found along the way
25:53 <xmmm> So youve been walking most of your life
25:58 <Tigger_> yes
26:48 <xmmm> Were you ever late as you stopped too long to play with strays
27:14 <Tigger_> that's a big difference now, I never run into cats while going for walks
27:26 <Tigger_> whereas I'd encounter heaps of them as a kid
27:56 <Tigger_> there are still just as many cats around, but they've become very indoors oriented, playing videogames and stuff
31:05 <Warren1984> Tigger_ what is the point of letting someone help you, if you have nothing to offer them in return
31:17 <Warren1984> because the expect a return?
31:31 <Warren1984> all depends on your circumstances I guess
31:49 <Tigger_> often you shouldn't let them help you, they're only trying to control you
31:51 <Warren1984> If you earned a lot of money... you could be the provider
32:09 <Warren1984> and you pay her in return for her to do things for you
32:21 <Warren1984> see control is not love
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35:28 <Tigger_> I also downloaded the film: Come.And.See.1985.1080p.BluRay.DD.2.0.x264-HDS.mkv
35:46 <Arbition> Sneakernet is still best Piracy net
39:09 <Tigger_> but then you have to be well connected
39:23 <Tigger_> know people with good taste
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49:31 <Tigger_> also come to think of it, while internet piracy has a free rider problem, it's anonymous and largely accepted and ignored as the benefits outweigh the costs, whereas a free rider on a sneakernet is much more personal
10:08 <Arbition> heh, yes I know people with bigger storage arrays than I
10:08 <Arbition> and love to collect stuff
10:25 <Arbition> Being a massive computer geek, it goes with the territory
10:35 <Arbition> reminds me I really should be meeting up with them more often
14:24 <Tigger_> how big are their storage solutions?
15:07 <Warren1984> Arbition what causes someone to become Nihilistic?
16:25 <Arbition> Tigger_: One guy I think has 50GiB after redundancy
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17:09 <Tigger_> 50Tb I assume you mean, very impressive
17:34 <Tigger_> what does he have on it?
17:36 <Tigger_> hi Tim-Sim
17:54 <Arbition> Warren1984: Do you mean a full nihilist (a la Albert Camus' The Outsider/The Stranger) or just one who acknowledged the state of affairs and chooses to not allow that to dictate nothingness?
17:58 <Arbition> Tigger_: Yes, my mistake
18:04 <Tim-Sim> Hi Tigger_
19:13 <Warren1984> Arbition I mean someone who rejects all religious and moral principles and thinking that life is meaningless
19:17 <Arbition> Warren1984: As in, allow the nothingness to rule their actions, by choosing something else
19:34 <Arbition> Warren1984: That could still be either
19:41 <Arbition> but ok so you mean the philosophical basis
19:46 <Warren1984> yes
19:49 <Arbition> rather than what a person does as a result
20:09 <Warren1984> well lets say you go to church and people in the church do bad things
20:19 <Arbition> Ah
20:20 <Warren1984> you might think they are hypocrites
20:21 <Arbition> yes I see
20:39 <Warren1984> and so because of their attitude you reject religion
20:40 <Arbition> So you mean how do people become atheists first, and then become nihilists second
20:56 <Warren1984> nuh just nihlists
21:28 <Arbition> Well unless they're in a religion that acknowledges nihilism, atheism is neccessary for nihilism
21:29 <Tigger_> from my observations the usual trajectory is 1. hedonism, 2. atheism, 3. nihilism
21:53 <Arbition> Tigger_: For myself you'd be quite wrong. 1. did not occur with me
22:02 <Warren1984> if you reject all religious and moral principles, it means you don't believe in human goodness
22:03 <Tigger_> I said usual
22:21 <Arbition> Warren1984: I disagree
22:29 <Arbition> well
22:39 <Arbition> only if oyu mean morality with respect to religion
22:50 <Arbition> morality outside of religion exists, in my view
22:51 <Tim-Sim> Moral principles do not necessarily come from religion
23:00 <Warren1984> there are morals regardless of religion
23:09 <Warren1984> for example
23:20 <Arbition> ok so if you mean that a person rejects both, then sure.
23:21 <Warren1984> if a society said it was morally ok to murder people
23:31 <Arbition> But human goodness and nihilism are not mutually exclusive
23:49 <Tigger_> morals do not necessarily come from religion, but we are yet to observe a case of it happening in the wild yet
23:51 <Warren1984> but what is the cause of someone to become nihilistic?
23:56 <Tim-Sim> I do not believe that hedonism leads to atheism. I think science leads to atheism
23:58 <Arbition> You can acknowledge no divine purpose but understand that humans still have evolved with cooperative instincts
24:47 <Warren1984> hedonists just believe religion is foolish
24:51 <Tigger_> as Sir Francis Bacon once said, a little bit of philosophy tends one to atheism, but profound study of philosophy leads one back to religion. the same can be said for science
24:58 <Arbition> Tigger_: Perhaps, but origin does not imply neccessary coexistance. It could be simply part of cultural and social progression
24:59 <Warren1984> they prioritize fun over everything else
25:09 <Warren1984> hedonists are weak athiests
25:36 <Warren1984> hedonists typically end up destroying themselves
26:00 <Arbition> hedonists are not neccessarily weak atheists.
26:18 <Warren1984> well I don't think religion is foolish
26:19 <Tigger_> by science leading one back to religion, I mean that as one understands that science is only good for answering scientific questions, and little else, then one must look elsewhere for other answers
26:24 <Tim-Sim> And if one is to conclude that life is a complex chemical reaction and therefore free will is an illusion, they may become nihilist but not necessarily. There are those who believe that we evolved a kind of objective morality.
26:28 <Warren1984> many things in the bible are very true
26:46 <Arbition> Warren1984: Many things in the Koran are also true, that does not validate the whole
27:16 <Tigger_> Tim-Sim, free-will is not actually recognised by many religions, such as fate was an important part of Greek mythology, while predestination is central to Calvinism
27:47 <Warren1984> many morals overlap with religious principles
28:20 <Warren1984> do you even know why for example in the bible it says not to have sex before marriage
28:30 <Warren1984> because sex brings a relationship stronger
28:35 <Arbition> That is to be expected, as religion was used as a tool of control and cohesion. I am also of the opinion that control and cohesion are difficult to seperate
28:54 <Arbition> morals are the basis of a cohesion
28:56 <Warren1984> and those who have difficulty moving on after the breakup of a relationship, experience lots of emotional pain
28:57 <Arbition> and thus cooperation
29:36 <Warren1984> but if there was no control there would be chaos
29:43 <Tigger_> Islam is the only major religion that overtly aims for control, though any successful religion does offer cohesion as one of its benefits
29:44 <Warren1984> there is always control
29:46 <Arbition> On the wider scale, yes
29:53 <Warren1984> always has been
30:13 <Arbition> In fact, on a worldwide scale I believe it is
30:34 <Arbition> But enough people attempting cooperate will attempt to bring order to their isolated pocket
30:56 <Arbition> This is essentially the principle of libertarianism, though I still don't think libertarianism is a good idea
31:47 <Arbition> Without a worldwide government, you could make the case that Anarchy is the natural state of things from the widest angle perspective, but individual countries attempt to reverse this
32:10 <Tigger_> ironically while most libertarians are aggressive secularists, the only societies that have ever made libertarianism work are deeply religious
33:07 <Warren1984> what if nihilism is caused by those who are frankly aggressive and when pushed can resort to violence. Or they enjoy intimidating others whom they see as "weak"?
33:28 <Arbition> If I were to guess, I would suggest the primary driving force there is Duty, which is also prevalent in such highly religious societies
33:41 <Arbition> Warren1984: Unlikely
33:41 <Tigger_> yes
34:04 <Arbition> Philosophers tend to not be the aggressive type, and are those that consider this kind of subject the most
37:44 <Arbition> I would also suggest that those that are aggressive are also not the type to pause to think. If they choose aggressiveness when pushed, this means the explicitly don't give pause to think
37:53 <Arbition> So are more likely to stay with what they already know
39:40 <Tigger_> what if they see tangible benefits from aggressiveness?
40:05 <Arbition> If they're outcome driven they also don't make for good philosophers
40:32 <Arbition> philosophy tends to deal a lot of uncertainty
42:42 <Tigger_> Rousseau was uncontrollable as a youth, as he enjoyed getting beatings as punishment
44:12 <Arbition> Presumably things didn't continue in this form as he aged
44:20 <Arbition> People do change over time to a degree
44:31 <Arbition> Particularly with respect to the transition from youth to adulthood
52:12 <doctor> He carried that on into his adulthood with his romanticism and distrust of authority
52:16 <Tigger_> perhaps philosophers could be said to be violent, but abstract it into ideas that motivate others to action, such as the Oligarchs who ruled over Athens after the Pelopenesian War, and then instituted a Stalinist style tyranny, would have found some justification in Socrates ideas, though they themselves had less use for Socrates the man
52:28 <Tigger_> hi doctor
52:30 <doctor> I suppose that's a more mature way of dealing with aggression
52:32 <doctor> He Tigger
52:35 <doctor> hey*
53:07 <doctor> Trying to convince someone to change their point of view is a form of aggression
53:28 <doctor> albeit an acceptable one
54:42 <Arbition> With that in mind, it seems like that is the nature of all drivers of change
55:38 <Warren1984> tiger kung ano ang sa iyong listahan ng gagawin ngayon?
55:52 <Arbition> It may be the case that a single philosophical concept was championed by such a person, but this does not require all previous and all subsequent believers in the idea to also have this attribute
56:49 <Arbition> The more aggressive ones seem to have been in correspondance with other philosophers
57:12 <Arbition> That isn't what I meant at all
57:13 <Warren1984> Arbition neither side wants to be controlled
57:15 <Arbition> I have nothing to show that
58:17 <Arbition> Let me reconstruct, it seems likely that even these aggressive champions of ideas were already in correspondance with others, as seems to have been the case for most of philosophical history. If not correspondance, to have read
58:17 <Tigger_> the historian Paul Johnson attributes the mass murders of the communist regimes to Marx himself, but I'm not so sure that from the perspective of the 19th century, that Marx was even able to conceive of such things
58:58 <Tigger_> you might have to reconstruct that again
58:58 <Arbition> Warren1984: Could you please expand on the context of your statement? I'm not sure what you are trying to say
59:41 <doctor> Yeah, there isn't really any new ideas. Just application of ideas to different and changing environments
59:42 <Warren1984> well a needy woman won't want to be controlled by a poor man
59:53 <Warren1984> and you don't want to be controlled by her
00:31 <doctor> What ever is called for at the time, the champion is selected due to circumstance
01:24 <Tigger_> Gramsci was in prison while he wrote most of his works, which were only published long after his death
01:31 <Tim-Sim> I was chatting with some religious people the other day who believed that it would suit that "atheistic moral set" (whatever that means) for the ruling elite to manufacture a nuclear war to reduce consumers in aid of mitigating anthropogenic climate change
01:39 <Arbition> OK. Even those who would have been considered aggressive, and agents of change, did not come up with their ideas in isolation. The history of philosophy heavily suggests that philsophers regularly analysed and disputed eachothers ideas. They would also revisit ideas of those long dead and discuss its merits. Thus it could be said that the idea itself doesn't come soley, or possibly even at all, from an aggressive person. I am suggesting
01:39 <Arbition> instead that an aggressive and outcomes driven person likely chose to champion a cause,
02:12 <Tigger_> Tim-Sim, you were talking to conspiracy theorists
02:42 <Tigger_> I see
02:43 <doctor> We can't form thoughts purely on our own - every thought needs to be primed by something prior in our environment
02:54 <Arbition> Thus, the idea came first, not the aggressor.
03:06 <Tigger_> philosophers are usually at their most coherent when they're arguing against the ideas of another philosopher
03:24 <doctor> Yeah, aggressive personalities would be required in order to get the idea accross to the masses
03:39 <Arbition> Once the idea becomes a part of wider discourse, the neccessity of such aggressive push of the idea becomes less neccessary
03:48 <doctor> Keeps them in check from talking nonsense
04:26 <Tim-Sim> Tigger_: It seems that way. The topic arose after discussing tensions rising between China vs US and Russia vs Nato in succession of cc.
04:29 <Arbition> In short, it is marketing
04:39 <doctor> lol, true
05:03 <Tigger_> conspiracy theorists often cite this supposed plan to radically reduce the Earth's population, I wish they'd actually get started on it, it's one conspiracy theory I really want to be true, and to actually be successful
05:08 <doctor> The profiteer is always an advantage over the consumer
07:00 <doctor> they're so terrified of population contolled as they know they are stupid and would be killed out of necessity
07:05 <Tim-Sim> The population growth rates of the Western countries are slowing down, even reversing in some areas, only being propped up by immigration.
07:57 <Arbition> Western as well as the richest pockets of the asian countries (ie Singapore, HK, Japan))
08:08 <doctor> The booms are in the 3rd world where more hands means better survival. Ironically we exploit them so no matter how many hands they have their survival rates are low
08:54 <Arbition> That is the attitude that is continuing it, but we're already starting to see signs of even that slowing, as many places in the third world get better. None the less, there are still too many people so that doesn't do anything for the issue *now*
08:58 <doctor> Untill they get to a standard of living like our own, they'll continue to remain the same. Which wont happen because our way of life depends on their exploitation
09:07 <Tim-Sim> Africa has a very high population growth rate.
09:32 <Tim-Sim> interesting point doctor
09:48 <Arbition> Certainly seems that way in the mineral rich areas of Africa
10:13 <Arbition> No way that conflict minerals have gone away
10:22 <Arbition> They're probably being laundered much as blood diamonds have been for a long itme
10:35 <doctor> most likely
10:44 <Arbition> arguably moreso
10:59 <Arbition> because blood diamonds have gotten the most attention, and so they've begun to clamp down on that
13:00 <doctor> African Albino limbs fetch a good price on the market over there; their currency is blood
15:06 <Arbition> ah yeah the proto religious superstitions of Africa still exist
17:38 <Tigger_> Tim-Sim, were these people you were talking to Jehovas Witnesses?
18:04 <Tim-Sim> No, they were Christians. Americans.
18:27 <Tim-Sim> HAve you guys seen this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7liiPG1mbMk
18:33 <BlackDevil> Youtube: China vs USA: Empires at War (Jan 21, 2016) Length: 52:29 - Category: Entertainment - 450,802 views views - 1,550 likes (85.7%), 258 dislikes (14.3%)
18:33 <Tigger_> it's usually JWs that update their end times prophecy to whatever happens to be in the news lately
18:35 <Arbition> Hm, there was a mobile game released a couple years back that I can't find, which was an awareness campaign for blood minerals
19:11 <Tim-Sim> I watched it last night, it is pretty interesting. There is a guy in there claiming that the US needs to retain it's semiconductor industry
19:20 <Tigger_> the Blood Diamond issue is only an issue to maintain the diamond monopoly of DeBeers
21:13 <Tigger_> the US should maintain its semiconductor industry, if they want to project power
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21:37 <Tim-Sim> Tigger_: I work with a Christian Indian, who is a manger btw, that believes in the end times prophecy. He believes that the mass migration of muslims across Europe was some kind of sign and that a red calf or something has been born.
22:31 <Tigger_> the red calf is actually a jewish prophecy, it's not in the Bible at all, it just shows how much evangelicals have been indoctrinated with zionism
22:59 <Tim-Sim> The christian Indians I work with are very religious. More so than the Australian Christians.
23:15 <Tigger_> yes, they cosplay at Christianity quite well
23:26 <Tim-Sim> One of them changed his name to that of a pope.
23:37 <Tigger_> oh a Catholic, worst of all
24:03 <Tigger_> well Catholicism should be expelled from all Anglo countries as a pernicious foreign influence
24:46 <Tim-Sim> He also got circumcised a few years ago.
24:55 <Tim-Sim> for religious reasons\
25:12 <Tigger_> the dimwitted megachurches often really fetishise third world Christians, in one of their displays of leap-frogging loyalties
26:31 <Tigger_> there is nothing in Christianity that demands circumcision, what religion is he exactly?
28:01 <Tim-Sim> I think he is catholic
28:17 <Tim-Sim> his brother is a priest
28:29 <Tigger_> hmmm, well Catholicism houses a lot of loopy sects, so I guess he belongs to one of them
30:35 <BlackDevil> https://media.giphy.com/media/l0HlPgM5j2JY5Dsfm/giphy.gif
31:17 <Tim-Sim> I was chatting to a Hindu the other night. He is very superstitious. HE was telling me about the witch doctors in India called Aghoris. After trying to convince me how real they are he then proceeded to say that some of the othr Indians there may have seen one to gain influence over people at work and cause mischief...
32:41 <Tim-Sim> He was telling me they can call people in Australia from over in India byusing their magic
32:55 <Tim-Sim> So I will be keeping an eye on that cunt. lol
33:22 <Tim-Sim> He was telling me they can KILL people in Australia from over in India byusing their magic
36:39 <Tigger_> I've seen some sites by African witchdoctors where you can buy a spell, even spells to have people killed
37:31 <Tim-Sim> lol
39:51 <Tim-Sim> Well, I have a Star Craft 2 campaign to finish. Later folks.
39:58 <Tigger_> bye
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13:32 <Warren1984> Through their eyes, philosophers are very good at the destructive business of showing up the flaws and contradictions of everyday thinking, but when it comes to putting something new in their place, philosophers fall out among themselves and the result is that philosophy causes nihilism; the rejection of all values and beliefs as meaningless and unfounded.
15:49 <doctor> That's more likely postmodernist philosophers
16:28 <Tigger_> I thought I'd watch clips of Australia losing the women's water polo earlier this morning, what a can of worms I opened:
16:30 <Tigger_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eU3v_YkgPTM
16:35 <BlackDevil> Youtube: Water polo girls celebrating victory (Dec 3, 2015) Length: 4:26 - Category: People & Blogs - 647,564 views views - 1,394 likes (95.2%), 71 dislikes (4.8%)
17:09 <Warren1984> The most famous thinker to be accused of this was Socrates. He saw himself as a gadfly; buzzing around annoying his fellow Athenians with his impertinent questions to stop them from becoming lazy and complacent. The grateful citizens put him on trial for impiety and corrupting the young, found him guilty and duly executed him. Even today, when a jury reaches an incomprehensible and
17:09 <Warren1984> perverse verdict, there is a tendency to want to ask them how they reached their conclusions.
18:42 <sandman> Warren1984 how is your Breville?
19:04 <Warren1984> good sandman
21:57 <Warren1984> By weakening religion philosophy may have contributed to nihilism. However, we should keep things in proportion. Some politicians and religious revivalists talk as if we are constantly teetering on the verge of a moral abyss. In fact, although society has become fairly secular, large numbers of people seems to be living purposeful lives and acting reasonably decently towards one another,
21:57 <Warren1984> with or without a formal moral code.
22:22 <Warren1984> I don't understand how philosophy weakens religion
22:29 <Warren1984> people choose to weaken religion
22:45 <Warren1984> If you chose to steal, it's your own fault
22:49 <Warren1984> as an example
23:48 <Tigger_> I don't agree that people are acting reasonably decently towards one another, though they do largely stay within the parameters of the law
24:33 <doctor> Absence of religion doesn't mean an absence of belief
25:02 <Warren1984> religion is not exactly morals
25:09 <Warren1984> morals are morals
25:29 <Tigger_> also I don't see that either philosophy or science has weakened religion, though both have been used towards that end, but the instigators are hedonists in a disorganised way, and political activists in a more organised way
25:39 <Warren1984> how can anyone blame others or religion or something because of their bad behaviour
26:10 <doctor> false attribution
26:36 <Warren1984> The cure for problems isn’t to stop thinking, but instead to think harder.
29:49 <doctor> indifference works
30:28 <Warren1984> If the physical world is all that exists, isn't that the cause of Nihilism
31:02 <Warren1984> facts from the physical world can be used to draw a conclusion to a theory that life is meaningless
31:55 <Warren1984> It's like if love (non-physical) does not exist, then 2 people having sex is just like 2 objects fucking one another
32:12 <doctor> The physical world doesn't say anything about the meaning of life, but I don't think that it confirms that it's meaningless
32:34 <Arbition> Really depends what you want from "meaning"
32:53 <Warren1984> you want meaning from the physical world
32:58 <Warren1984> Can you find it?
33:10 <doctor> emotions and feelings is what motivates meaning
33:20 <doctor> which a triggered for what ever reason
34:01 <Warren1984> but can you extract meaning from the physical world?
34:07 <Arbition> Not what I mean
34:33 <Warren1984> no I was asking you that question
35:10 <doctor> you can infer meaning from observation
35:31 <Arbition> What I am saying is, you might want meaning for the following: A cause you can follow so that you don't have to think of one yourself; Edification that you are important or have somehow been made especially; Something you feel you can achieve and assist the world with
35:31 <Arbition> These three things evoke "meaning" but they are not all the same thing
35:55 <Arbition> There might even be others
36:58 <Warren1984> 5. Conclusion
36:58 <Warren1984> It has been over a century now since Nietzsche explored nihilism and its implications for civilization. As he predicted, nihilism's impact on the culture and values of the 20th century has been pervasive, its apocalyptic tenor spawning a mood of gloom and a good deal of anxiety, anger, and terror. Interestingly, Nietzsche himself, a radical skeptic preoccupied with language, knowledge,
36:59 <Warren1984> and truth, anticipated many of the themes of postmodernity. It's helpful to note, then, that he believed we could--at a terrible price--eventually work through nihilism. If we survived the process of destroying all interpretations of the world, we could then perhaps discover the correct course for humankind:
36:59 <Warren1984> I praise, I do not reproach, [nihilism's] arrival. I believe it is one of the greatest crises, a moment of the deepest self-reflection of humanity. Whether man recovers from it, whether he becomes master of this crisis, is a question of his strength. It is possible. . . . (Complete Works Vol. 13)
37:40 <Arbition> For reference, this does not address what I am saying at all
41:52 <Tigger_> actually come to think of it, I'm not sure that I've ever personally known an atheist who had any interest in philosophy, on the contrary a few said that philosophy would be the next target after religion is destroyed
43:40 <Tigger_> of course they were actually unwittingly assuming a philosophical position, that of Logical Positivism, so in essence proving the axiom that those who reject philosophy proceed to philosophise, badly
44:48 <Arbition> I take it that because I do not know you in real life, I am not a part of that?
45:15 <Tigger_> I meant real life
46:07 <Arbition> ok well for myself, having known quite a few on account of being in circles containing many of them, rejecting philosophy is very much in the minority of Atheists
46:10 <doctor> logical positivism has its place in certain sciencies but can't address anything to do with subjective experiences or any motivation to conduct science to begin with
46:55 <Arbition> At least, amongst ones I know
47:13 <Arbition> In fact, none I know personally
47:32 <Tigger_> but do they take an interest in philosophy?
47:36 <doctor> Watson used logical positivism to study behaviour pretty accurately, but he totally regected anything to do with the mind of subjectivity
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48:20 <Arbition> Sounds like the old, we can predict human behaviour on the whole, but predicting the actions of individuals remains quite difficult
48:23 <doctor> Wundt tried to use inductive reasoning to form a new school called structuralism but didn't last very long
49:37 <doctor> Yeah, there's an interplay between the subjective and objective that's very difficult to study
49:38 <Tigger_> the anti-philosophists I've encountered were of the view that if a question is not a scientific question, then it's not a valid question at all, and religion, and subsequently philosophy, are archaic methods to answer questions that should instead be framed as scientific questions
50:23 <Arbition> Did they literally say philosophy itself is useless?
50:35 <Tigger_> indeed
51:06 <Arbition> Yeah I don't encounter many people who are like that
51:11 <Arbition> Anyone I know who is a strong atheist has never said that
51:16 <doctor> yeah, they're generally humanists which is a belief and ideology in itself
51:58 <Tigger_> actually one argument that I recall was that the same philosophical questions have been bouncing around for 2,500 years now, getting restated without resolution, so that proves the uselessness of philosophy
52:41 <Tigger_> though to be consistent, he should've not presented an argument, but showed me his data concerning the uselessness of philosophy
53:03 <Arbition> "getting restated without resolution"
53:28 <Arbition> Thus indicating he is results driven, which I have railed against with respect to Warren1984
53:34 <doctor> I prefer the method in which the romans approached philosophy compared to the greeks
53:50 <doctor> They were more focused on how to deal with yourself as an individual
56:28 <doctor> less political and more individual
56:32 <Tigger_> actually I'd say the same for Richard Dawkins, as a very strident advocate of science, he should simply produce his data from empirical testing that proves that God doesn't exist (though of course a philosopher would say that you can't prove a negative)
58:35 <Arbition> Richard Dawkins has always been a terrible face, which is exactly why he is so popular. His strong beliefs are easy to rally behind, makes him good for bringing on TV debates, but ultimately is a poor representation of the wider atheist thought community
00:16 <Tigger_> he is? but he's always the main speaker at atheist conventions
01:01 <Arbition> That's how celebrity worship works
01:01 <Arbition> For that matter, conventions are going to be populated by the type to circlejerk anyway
01:40 <doctor> I don't believe in any religion but I don't always call myself an atheist. However, I'm generally what people call an atheist because I don't follow any monotheistic or anthropomorphic belief
02:04 <Tigger_> you could be a deist
02:25 <doctor> Yeah, I'm more aligned with deism
03:52 <Arbition> There is definately a schism in the atheism community, as Thunderfoot has adequately demonstrated. He spoke against SJW influence on Atheism
04:33 <Warren1984> doctor Arbition this is something interesting -> https://www.quora.com/What-should-I-do-if-I-find-life-a-meaningless-pursuit
05:01 <Arbition> I doubt it, I don't find life a meaningless pursuit
05:20 <Arbition> I simply find it without divine or given meaning, thus why I asked for clarification earlier
06:04 <Warren1984> but if your a thinker you can sit back and observe people and the problems in their lives
06:18 <Tigger_> Thunderf00t is at his most useful when he's railing against feminism, young earth creationism is a pretty boring target, especially when other varieties of fundamentalist Christianity attack it too
06:22 <Warren1984> i.e. they may be desperate for love and marry the wrong person
07:04 <Warren1984> 2. People who, from an early age, think they know what they want to do. They often have big surprises in their 40s, realizing they don't actually enjoy what they've committed to. Many of the apparently-directed people you see are in this group. You're feeling lost now. They'll go through what you're going through later, but it will be much more complicated, because they'll have husbands,
07:04 <Warren1984> wives, kids, and mortgages. So as nuts as it seems, you're lucky.
07:07 <Arbition> There is no "right" persoon
07:28 <Tigger_> there are definitely many types of wrong though
07:43 <Arbition> Sure
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08:13 <Warren1984> I would hate to be committed to some bitch
08:13 <Arbition> For both male and female
08:16 <Warren1984> I hated
08:33 <Warren1984> and have children with her
08:40 <Arbition> There are a lot of people with attitudes which work counter to long term cooperation
09:02 <Warren1984> they say only fools rush in to love
09:30 <Arbition> But even that, it is a gamble because people act to try and attract a mate
09:35 <doctor> Better to start a relationship with a reasonable person than a lunatic
10:09 <doctor> Yeah, if there's a lot of anxiety involved in a relationship it's best to pull back
10:09 <Arbition> It can take years to see through the act in some cases
11:09 <doctor> usually if something is wrong it would be a cause for anxiety
11:43 <Tigger_> narcissistic personality disorder is typically very well concealed, they've been practicing their act since childhood
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12:45 <doctor> one sided relationships also cause anxiety. a lot of people put up with the anxiety because they're really into the person for all the wrong reasons
12:55 <Apologies> Doctor I quit
13:12 <doctor> So you said, what are you doing now?
13:12 <Arbition> It is the classic, your friends tell you they're a bad choice, but you can't see it outside of your personal experience because you're involved. So even setting a criteria prior to meeting can still run afoul
13:17 <Apologies> bong goes in bin
13:40 <doctor> Good idea
13:40 <Apologies> i been stupid to long
13:50 <doctor> time for a change
14:00 <Apologies> yep
14:09 <Arbition> You still have depression to wrestle with though, which is ultimately what will pull you back to the ways you were before
14:35 <Apologies> i not seeing anybody that drinks
14:40 <Apologies> anymore
14:47 <Arbition> So you need to constantly change it up to prevent falling back in
16:12 <Apologies> I'm so sorry
16:22 <Tigger_> it's pretty hard to demand that someone be happy from here on
16:34 <Arbition> I wonder if depression is an evolutionary instinct to try and force patience on a person
17:37 <Arbition> It is hard, yes.
18:06 <Arbition> You've got to fight your instinct to not go anywhere though. Keep doing something different. Even if it feels pointless after you've done it
19:08 <Apologies> I'm not going anywhere lol being a bonghead
19:28 <Arbition> I meant as in, in real space, not proverbially
19:28 <Apologies> my life is useless
19:33 <Apologies> atm
19:53 <Apologies> i have depression
19:54 <Arbition> As in, get out of the house.
19:59 <Tigger_> go for walks
20:07 <Arbition> Yes I guessed that already
20:13 <Arbition> that's why I'm saying what I am saying
20:39 <Warren1984> this is true of me -> 1. People who are truly lost. They really do have no passions. Their emotions are blunted. This group may be clinically depressed. If you're a member, I urge you to seek professional help. There are treatments for depression. There are ones involving meds and ones involving talk therapy (e.g. cognitive-behavioral therapy) that can be quite effective. If you're
20:40 <Warren1984> clinically depressed, Quora can't help you but a doctor probably can.
20:40 <Warren1984> Also note that lots of people use "my career" and "my major" as proxies for their real concerns. When I was in college, most of my complaints about lofty things ("what am I going to do with my life?" "what's it all about?" "how can I find meaning?") really came down to panic that I didn't have a girlfriend.
20:46 <Arbition> Go for a walk and get an icecream, but don't buy icecream from the supermarket to eat at home
20:47 <Tigger_> though that's a tricky one, as Chris hasn't gone further than the shops in two years
21:28 <Apologies> it's like I'm cursed
21:48 <Arbition> As Warren1984 has pointed out, are you already seeing a psych?
22:23 <Warren1984> xm is this one -> 2. People who have bought into cultural norms of what they're "supposed" to do. For example, George loves video games. They really, really excite him, but he's been told "you can't make a career out of that" or "that's not for grownups," so when he wonders what he's passionate about, he doesn't count gaming and decides he doesn't have any passions. Be he does have a
22:23 <Warren1984> passion. A passion is a passion, whether it's a sanctioned one or not.
22:46 <Warren1984> his culture has bullied him, into doing something he is not passionate about
22:47 <Arbition> You might have been unlucky with the circumstances you were born with, but luck doesn't work like a literal curse placed on you
23:08 <Warren1984> but what I want is so simple
23:14 <Warren1984> just seems hard to get
23:18 <Arbition> Nothing is truely simple
23:40 <Arbition> It only seems simple in concept
23:46 <Warren1984> as I have grown older, I have found many things I don't want
23:46 <Apologies> lucky I don't look for shrooms
23:55 <Arbition> As management here is finding out, once you actually need to engineer it, constant issues
24:00 <Apologies> I'm but that crayz
24:14 <Arbition> Which I think is a reasonable analogy for life
24:15 <Apologies> I hate drugs
24:20 <Apologies> now
24:24 <Arbition> Once you get into the details, it isn't so simple anymore
25:30 <Arbition> even those leaving the city for the "simple life" usually already have some capital to enable it
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25:57 <Arbition> For starting out, there is no simple life path that isn't plagued with problems
26:46 <Apologies> never do drugs
26:56 <Apologies> that's it
26:57 <Arbition> All people eventually develop coping strategies of one sort or another
27:51 <Tigger_> while there's probably no simple life, there is removing unnecessary complications
27:54 <Arbition> Drugs sure don't do a lot
28:07 <Arbition> external to the person anyway
28:26 <Arbition> Or should that be for the person
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28:58 <Arbition> Tigger_: But even knowing what is an unneccssary complication requires a heuristic which may not be accurate
29:44 <Apologies> wish I had friend that took me places
30:09 <Apologies> to do stuff
30:17 <Tigger_> apply a cost/benefit analysis. usually unnecessary complications are in human form
30:43 <Apologies> i hate everything I do
30:47 <Arbition> Apologies: Very few people take other people out without a reason
30:54 <Arbition> This is why I am saying you should take yourself out
30:59 <Arbition> even if you feel lonely doing it
31:09 <Apologies> k
31:19 <Apologies> not today but
31:33 <Arbition> I should be clear, as in go out, not kill yourself
31:34 <Arbition> I just realised how badly worded that was
31:54 <Apologies> i not that crazy
32:08 <Arbition> ok phew
32:33 <Arbition> Why not now?
32:33 <Arbition> Do you have something better to do?
32:44 <Apologies> I just do drugs and they make me retard
32:59 <Apologies> I'm hungover
33:04 <Arbition> Hmm
33:17 <Arbition> You'd better be drinking tons of water
33:33 <Apologies> I have do heaps tomorrow
33:42 <Arbition> Like what?
33:53 <Apologies> get food
34:18 <Apologies> clean
34:27 <Arbition> Too much work
34:40 <Arbition> Unless you enjoy work
34:55 <Arbition> You'll feel miserable doing that
35:17 <Arbition> Split those up onto different days
35:49 <Apologies> nah will take like hour to clean
38:25 <Apologies> Arbition, I going to like change home first before I go out
38:45 <Apologies> been real lazy
38:48 <Arbition> Just thinking, everyone will give you different advice. That doesn't mean they're all wrong, it means they're all different. So there are multiple things that could work, which is why you should keep changing it up
39:03 <Apologies> sockzie is cool
39:13 <Apologies> she made me happy
39:27 <Arbition> Are you dwelling on the past?
40:02 <Apologies> if I drink I get past flashbacks
40:12 <Arbition> Oh. oh.
40:12 <Apologies> so I try not drink
40:13 <Arbition> Shit
40:39 <Arbition> the thing is you want to remember a happier time, so you want to as well
40:44 <Apologies> I did damage with shrooms in 2012
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41:00 <Apologies> i do remember happy
41:15 <Apologies> sockzie
41:22 <Arbition> when you drink?
41:52 <Apologies> well I won't deink
41:58 <Arbition> but when you did
42:08 <Apologies> I hate when I so
42:48 <Arbition> I'm trying to establish that, you drink because it takes to back to when you were happy. Which it sounds like you do, but you also brought up that you might remember bad stuff too
43:09 <Tigger_> the easiest way to cure a vice is replace it with another vice, so choose your vice carefully, such as playing Pokemon Go
43:25 <Arbition> I was thinking of saying video games
43:30 <Apologies> I just going do different shit
43:38 <Arbition> Pick one which is MMO
43:48 <Apologies> i got wow on 30th
43:53 <Tigger_> Chris is already a huge WoW player
43:59 <Arbition> lol I prefer EVE online
44:10 <Arbition> You do talk to people on that though, right?
44:17 <Apologies> wow gets to level 110 then
44:19 <Arbition> you're not just avoiding the Multiplayer part
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45:17 <Arbition> ok well that'll be 5 cents
45:23 <Apologies> I'm not voilent
45:38 <Arbition> Like "Lycy's Psychiatry Booth" from Peanuts
45:38 <Arbition> hehe
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46:07 <Tigger_> #pd's first Charlie Brown reference
46:27 <Apologies> I'm drugfucked
46:39 <Arbition> Everyone can be, the question is what is the limit of what you can take
46:53 <Tigger_> limit of what?
47:14 <Apologies> I not doing drugs again
47:19 <Apologies> i mean it
47:26 <Arbition> Tolerance for other people's bull****
47:34 <Arbition> as percieved
47:54 <Arbition> So basically the objective is to maximise how much you can take
48:03 <Arbition> You lash out, you lose
49:23 <Arbition> usually involves a coping strategy
49:38 <Arbition> but in Apologies' case, drugs is a coping strategy which is also problematic
52:23 <Apologies> I'm going to be normal
52:38 <Apologies> going be lonely
52:45 <Tigger_> drugs start with hedonism, the price comes later on, sooner or later
52:50 <Apologies> but I have heaps I can do
53:09 <Arbition> Don't concern yourself with being normal
53:15 <Arbition> Normal is a pretty bullshit concept imo
53:29 <Arbition> The quest for normal fucks some people up
53:50 <Apologies> well I'm going get better
54:05 <Apologies> just want eat heaps
54:24 <Arbition> Define something else which doesn't require the judgement of others to achieve
56:31 <Apologies> I take my meds every day
57:11 <Apologies> coffee
01:02 <Arbition> It might be that you're in need of someone else to give you something to do. I was talking earlier about the many types of meaning that people can talk about
01:17 <Arbition> Sometimes it just is that you can't or don't want to decide for yourself
01:58 <Apologies> I'm starting by not doing stuff I do
02:02 <Arbition> Perhaps with depression this is the case
03:10 <Arbition> Lots of people do, after all, just follow the mould. Go to school, go to uni, get a good job etc etc
03:39 <Arbition> I think if a person is a nihilist and not depressed, they understand this is perfectly valid
03:56 <Arbition> It might be a mould, but it sure does do stuff
04:06 <Arbition> Lots of people don't like moulds though
07:39 <Arbition> perfectly valid on account of there being no criteria to define such validity
08:17 <Tigger_> it's increasingly difficult to follow the mould these days, or even know what the mould is
08:33 <Arbition> That could well be
09:07 <Arbition> maybe it is just another way of saying that modern society is changing so fast, while also saying that more people are depressed than they used to be
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17:14 <Tigger_> he's left, but perhaps he should make it his goal to finish repaying his home loan, he's not that far off it, and it's a good tangible goal
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54:52 <RealiZed> hello
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55:47 <RealiZed> hi Nero
56:45 <sandman> Brother Nero
57:00 <RealiZed> hi sandman
58:16 <RealiZed> what you's doing
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30:52 <PaulManaforte> sup
30:56 <PaulManaforte> losers
32:25 <PaulManaforte> this is Paul Manaforte
32:33 <PaulManaforte> trump campaign diretor
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35:13 <RealiZed> hi
35:44 <sandman> RealiZed hello
35:48 <sandman> PaulManaforte hi
36:18 <RealiZed> so what's going on
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53:55 <RealiZed> what's up
54:11 <sandman> welcome RealiZed
54:32 <RealiZed> hi
56:32 <RealiZed> got no modevation
56:52 <RealiZed> feel ill
58:47 <RealiZed> family fued
07:39 <sandman> damn
07:51 <sandman> whats the feud over?
08:22 <RealiZed> lol
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09:27 Mode: (by ChanOP) +o Marttin
11:00 <PaulManaforte> spaniard
17:36 <Marttin> morning
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34:56 <RealiZed> hey
35:26 <RealiZed> bored as
35:36 <RealiZed> what's u doing
40:08 <sandman> fried lol
40:24 <RealiZed> not anymore
40:50 <sandman> is that you is it chris?
41:10 <RealiZed> don't like being fried
41:40 <RealiZed> hi sandman who are u
41:48 <sandman> lbn
42:08 <RealiZed> hi
42:22 <sandman> we did acid together
42:37 <RealiZed> don't lie
43:02 <RealiZed> my head is done in enough
43:04 <sandman> stalker
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43:48 Mode: (by ChanOP) +h Ethanol
43:53 <RealiZed> leave me alone
44:38 <RealiZed> paranoid to sleep
44:48 <RealiZed> i hate my mind
45:06 <sandman> paranoid about what?
45:32 <RealiZed> everything
54:08 <sandman> why?
54:14 <sandman> What do you think is going to happen?
54:40 <RealiZed> don't know
56:05 <RealiZed> I just focused on staying sobrr
56:50 <RealiZed> just want friends not on drugs
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21:14 <oceandweller> ello ppls
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44:56 <Tigger_> `topic Glenn Beck, insane failure and Donald Trump critic, becomes a BlackLivesMatter supporter: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzCnWkkEAzk
45:00 <BlackDevil> Youtube: Glenn Beck Whitesplains How Black Lives Matter is Really About Black-on-Black Crime (Aug 14, 2016) Length: 2:09 - Category: News & Politics - 2,384 views views - 12 likes (44.4%), 15 dislikes (55.6%)
45:31 <oko1211> who the fuck is glenn beck
46:08 <\^a|Romeo_]> would you eat trump?
49:02 <Ethanol> Glenn Beck was a popular cuckservative talk-show host
49:10 <Ethanol> Now he is just a cuck
50:04 <\^a|Romeo_]> a
50:09 <Tigger_> next he'll proudly say he won't stand in the way of his wife having sex with black men, "I don't own my wife!"
50:10 <\^a|Romeo_]> ataol
50:23 <\^a|Romeo_]> mmm
50:31 <\^a|Romeo_]> --
50:43 * \^a|Romeo_] staes blidly at te tv
51:05 <\^a|Romeo_]> is tat so si
51:29 <\^a|Romeo_]> is tat so sur?
51:40 <\^a|Romeo_]> is that so sur?
51:48 <\^a|Romeo_]> is that so sIr?
51:52 <\^a|Romeo_]> mmm
51:57 <\^a|Romeo_]> cool
52:24 <\^a|Romeo_]> i love having this much power
52:29 <\^a|Romeo_]> more
53:20 <Tigger_> if nothing else his pie analogy shows just how deeply his insanity goes, layer after layer of madness
53:58 <\^a|Romeo_]> ok
54:06 <\^a|Romeo_]> good wok Tigga
54:26 <\^a|Romeo_]> good woetkBk Tigga
54:54 <\^a|Romeo_]> a
55:10 <\^a|Romeo_]> ))
55:12 <\^a|Romeo_]> a
55:18 <\^a|Romeo_]> 555
55:21 <\^a|Romeo_]> 333
55:42 <\^a|Romeo_]> R
56:04 * \^a|Romeo_] reveals secret
56:09 <\^a|Romeo_]> 00000
56:34 <\^a|Romeo_]> 99
56:36 <\^a|Romeo_]> :
56:38 <\^a|Romeo_]> Mmm
56:41 <\^a|Romeo_]> :)
56:42 <\^a|Romeo_]> :)
56:45 <\^a|Romeo_]> 2
57:33 <\^a|Romeo_]> tig ggg a
57:37 <\^a|Romeo_]> mmm
57:42 <\^a|Romeo_]> a you deode?
57:46 <\^a|Romeo_]> a you deKode?
57:58 <\^a|Romeo_]> ka you deKode?
58:15 <\^a|Romeo_]> kan you deKode?
58:21 <\^a|Romeo_]> ...
58:23 <\^a|Romeo_]> if so
58:48 * \^a|Romeo_] stis aote bottle of eality away
59:58 <\^a|Romeo_]> 99 4.7 kritikill
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00:21 <\^a|Romeo_]> proof
00:33 <RealiZed> oh
00:40 <\^a|Romeo_]> :)
00:46 <RealiZed> hi
00:50 <\^a|Romeo_]> iya
01:04 <oceandweller> time for more lay down the law im faded for sure underground since 04 london lonsdale brand ignored im a gunman standin firm run for cover when the storm errupts other cunts not born to rhyme like me precise like watch hands when dismantling sylibils words and literiture psychotic neurotic tragical magical wraps phenominal and dominant bombin em red hot n risin like thermometres fuck your comments ill tie you off like christmas pres
01:07 <oceandweller> my rap
01:11 <oceandweller> is it good???
01:15 <oceandweller> im trying to be a rapper
01:17 <\^a|Romeo_]> how's you
01:21 <oceandweller> but its not working out 4 me
02:24 <\^a|Romeo_]> i got my flow o
03:08 <oceandweller> elite technique sheet for sheet my main feature presented neatly cemented im connected n commended for sendin offenders to heaven in heavy coffins with funerals im lost it in letters and numerals like serial digital criminals, entering correctional facilities my rap abilities still typically rippen em fluently
03:23 <oceandweller> tidal waves, 3 brides a day, stuck up a tree layin eggs, ocean dweller let me show ya feller how top sellin rappers flow, groom the marijuana produce, i assume theirs lava lettin loose outa mah lyrics, in-sync in the groove with character like looney-tunes, all black jackets with 2 beautiful abusive intrusive lose it quick bitches i tipped at the titty bar did em both hard like a card shark that spark in the dark with a task to smok
03:27 * \^a|Romeo_] slaps oceandweller around a bit with a large trout
03:32 <oceandweller> that took me about 10 - 15 mins
03:50 <\^a|Romeo_]> bad weate
03:55 <\^a|Romeo_]> 77
03:58 <\^a|Romeo_]> .7
04:11 <\^a|Romeo_]> mmm good vaila slie
04:45 <\^a|Romeo_]> nom
04:54 <\^a|Romeo_]> vanilla
05:14 <\^a|Romeo_]> bad weather
05:31 * oceandweller is searching for \^a|Romeo_] + goatsex on yahoo. WEEE 527 hits!
05:35 * oceandweller discovers \^a|Romeo_]'s picture at uglypeople.com
05:51 <\^a|Romeo_]> good thing
05:55 <\^a|Romeo_]> good thing
06:09 <\^a|Romeo_]> mmm
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07:10 <\^a|Romeo_]> good thing
07:22 <\^a|Romeo_]> good thing
08:16 <\^a|Romeo_]> so xm
08:53 <\^a|Romeo_]> is the best thing to hide my head
08:56 <Marttin> im eating an apple from new zeland
08:57 <\^a|Romeo_]> ?
09:58 <\^a|Romeo_]> i like chopper
10:44 <\^a|Romeo_]> chocolate yoyo
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16:41 <Warren1984> making a rabbit pot roast in my Breville
18:49 <Tigger_> will you let Fudge Packer have some?
18:54 <Warren1984> yes
19:02 <Warren1984> as he is a cannibal
19:12 <Tigger_> new Star Trek show threatens to be the worst yet: http://www.movienewsguide.com/star-trek-series-female-lead-gay/262172
19:17 <Warren1984> fudge packer licked me on the nose and forehead today
19:39 <Tigger_> what does this mean in rabbit society?
19:47 <Warren1984> nuh I am making a corn silverside in my Breville
20:01 <Warren1984> it could be affection or salt on my skin
23:29 <Warren1984> I washed the meat using water
23:34 <Warren1984> put it in my Breville
23:43 <Warren1984> covered it with water
24:01 <Warren1984> put in pepper, sugar, apple cider vinegar
24:11 <Warren1984> bay leaves
24:23 <Warren1984> cloves
24:54 <oko1211> what does EOF from client IRC quit code mean?
25:12 <oceandweller> end of pedofile
25:17 <Ethanol> If the series is set in the "prime universe", why didn't they simply follow on from the popular TNG and DS9 series?
25:36 <Ethanol> they already tried a pre-Kirk series
25:41 <Ethanol> it was a complete failure
27:44 <Warren1984> Ethanol are you quiet ruthless when making corned beef?
28:43 <Ethanol> actually Star Trek: Enterprise got better in the latter half of the short lived series. They even adopted a semi-continuous story arc, which was unusual for a Star Trek franchise at the time.
29:08 <Tigger_> I was never really able to get past Enterprise's theme song
30:04 <Warren1984> Tigger_ how long do you boil clip clops grass for?
30:13 <Tigger_> and having rewatched the odd episode of TNG, I'm convinced that it just stood out at the time in a TV wasteland, and is in truth absolutely terrible
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34:37 <Marttin> http://lcd.juanfutbol.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Imagen-106.png <- I didnt know the white was australian
35:42 <Ethanol> indeed
35:42 <Marttin> funny that they looked the same as elders http://griotmag.com/en/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/griot-magazine-peter-norman-funerals-white-man-in-that-photo-black-power-salute.jpg - https://empirerunners.files.wordpress.com/2016/03/march2015zanetti06.jpg
37:24 <Tigger_> was that some historical chimpout?
37:37 <Marttin> yes
37:48 <Marttin> the last time olympics did it, in 1968
38:44 <Tigger_> now they'd be doing the pants up, don't loot sign
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42:55 <Marttin> the spanith TV is talking about venezuela again
42:59 <Marttin> there will be third elections
43:04 <Marttin> spanish*
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48:55 <Warren1984> and the counter has started
49:15 <Tigger_> how long does it take?
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03:15 <RealiZed> lol
03:38 <Warren1984> I'm serious as cancer when I say Rhythm is a dancer
03:39 <RealiZed> cooking noodles
04:09 <RealiZed> lol
07:29 <Warren1984> that is very primitive RealiZed
07:53 <Warren1984> you should be cooking a pot roast in a Breville fast/slow cooker
08:15 <Warren1984> you know what would good, chicken drumsticks
08:21 <RealiZed> I wish
08:43 <Warren1984> maybe xm can come over when my Mum is not home and we can make chicken drumsticks
09:33 <RealiZed> might get some chicken wings this week
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50:27 <Marttin> l
50:28 <Marttin> o
50:29 <Marttin> l
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51:10 <Marttin> something happened I couldnt write more than 1 leter
52:42 <President_Trump> MY PIE MATTERS!
55:30 <doctor> meat pies matter
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05:54 <xm> hey jen
06:07 <anotherirc3r> heya xm
06:30 <xm> i just bought a mic stand
06:43 <xm> hopefully standing up will improve the chest voice
07:05 <anotherirc3r> most likely. one of my teachers said it did
07:37 <xm> ive been listening to Adam Levine a bit, trying to get the higher/falsetto end
07:46 <xm> im amazed at how these people dont run out of breath
08:02 <xm> if you're singing along to karaoke it gets hard as you have to keep going, no stopping
08:33 <xm> im singing this at the moment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQOlwMKpmvQ
08:38 <BlackDevil> Youtube: Crowded House - Better Be Home Soon (Feb 27, 2009) Length: 3:24 - Category: Music - 1,796,882 views views - likes (97.2%), 176 dislikes (2.8%)
08:38 <anotherirc3r> true.. but if you keep practicing the same song you start to notice where they take their breaths
08:45 <xm> yeah
09:07 <xm> this song is a bit tame, it doesnt really get that high
09:17 <xm> just training until i move higher up
09:55 <xm> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kkJPiTIyZ8
09:56 <anotherirc3r> what's your singing type?
09:58 <xm> warren's favourite song
10:00 <BlackDevil> Youtube: Ween Push th' little daisies (Apr 2, 2006) Length: 2:49 - Category: Music - 781,847 views views - 2,337 likes (88.6%), dislikes (11.4%)
10:01 <xm> for karaoke
10:07 <xm> hmmm i can go up to C5 i think
10:13 <xm> but i have problems
10:31 <xm> i can easily do normal range
10:47 <xm> anything within or close to conversation
10:54 <anotherirc3r> lol i hate that song
11:10 <anotherirc3r> C5.. what type is that?
11:57 <xm> for male, close to falsetto
12:02 <xm> ive done falsetto notes before
12:07 <xm> i can do it after a few attempts
12:15 <xm> im still reading on all this im not sure
12:57 <anotherirc3r> nice
13:04 <anotherirc3r> do you have a teacher?
13:10 <xm> yes
13:12 <xm> myself
13:15 <Warren1984> hey J
13:21 <xm> XDDDDDD
13:23 <xm> ey warren
13:31 <anotherirc3r> hehe you should get one
13:34 <anotherirc3r> heya Warren
13:39 <xm> yeah i know i should
13:43 <anotherirc3r> they can help you train your voice and give you tips
13:44 <xm> but im a bit Jew with money sometimes
13:48 <anotherirc3r> and they'll figure out your type
13:50 <xm> ill look into lessons i suppose
13:50 <anotherirc3r> haha
14:15 <Warren1984> ey xm
14:27 <xm> i suppose it wont take long for them to tell you what your type is and what you need to learn
14:30 <xm> then leg it
14:45 <xm> and practise alone, coming back not as frequently to make sure you're on top of things
15:12 <Warren1984> cooked a pot roast beef silverside for dinner
15:26 <xm> m8 what happened to just veges
15:27 <anotherirc3r> on my first lesson i had to bring in two songs to sing
15:37 <xm> i have one serious problem with singing
15:40 <Warren1984> just veges is for soup
15:45 <xm> and that's remembering lyrics
15:53 <anotherirc3r> apparently compared to good singers i was a 4-5 on my first/second lesson
16:05 <anotherirc3r> i was excited about that!
16:20 <anotherirc3r> out of 10, that is
16:22 <xm> did it get higher after that?
16:30 <xm> i mean much higher
16:36 <xm> how many lessons did you get
16:48 <anotherirc3r> i went for about 5-6 i think
16:51 <anotherirc3r> they're expensive
16:54 <xm> i dont know if i can do this in a group
17:09 <anotherirc3r> it was a one-on-one coaching session
17:19 <xm> you come to their studio?
17:22 <anotherirc3r> yup
17:28 <President_Trump> anotherirc3r is a great singer
17:28 <anotherirc3r> i hate singing in front of people
17:39 <anotherirc3r> i didn't even like singing in front of him lol
17:57 <xm> i suppose nerves would mean you performed worse than normal
17:57 <anotherirc3r> no, Trumpy but thanks
18:03 <anotherirc3r> definitely
18:16 <xm> i hate people that are just born lucky with singing
18:25 <anotherirc3r> i kept having a go at myself and he would say 'stop it! give yourself a break'
18:34 <Warren1984> President_Trump would you lick out Trump's stinker?
19:14 <anotherirc3r> my teacher told me that if you're a bad singer, you'd become okay and if you were a good singer you could become a great singer
19:26 <xm> so im going to become a great singer
19:28 <xm> XDDDDDDDDDD
19:36 <anotherirc3r> hehe lots of practice and you could
19:52 <xm> yes, i just underestimated how much practice and technique is required
20:12 <anotherirc3r> i know
20:15 <President_Trump> jen became a great singer so she must have already been a good singer
20:22 <anotherirc3r> it actually hurts your voice from practicing
20:26 <xm> it does
20:30 <President_Trump> Warren1984 should become a singer
20:42 <anotherirc3r> no, Trumpy
20:51 <xm> although that reminds me of the piano comments, that your fingers should never be sore from playing -- unless you're doing something wrong
20:57 <xm> did you ever try an instrument anotherirc3r ?
21:09 <Marttin> 14:19 <anotherirc3r> i kept having a go at myself and he would say 'stop it! give yourself a break' <-  Im tired of listening to this bitch
21:30 <anotherirc3r> nah. i'd love to try piano though
21:43 <anotherirc3r> it's true that it hurts your voice more if you do it incorrectly
21:45 <PaulManaforte> TITS OUT
21:55 <anotherirc3r> but it still hurts if you practice too often and don't give your voice a rest
22:06 <xm> yeah, true
22:16 <xm> like gym i suppose
22:16 <anotherirc3r> awww, Marttin. i love you too
22:29 <Marttin> I mean thats what he thought
22:29 <anotherirc3r> yeah, exactly
22:30 <xm> Marttin, what happened to the romantic spanish poet
23:03 <President_Trump> <anotherirc3r> i kept having a go at myself and he would say 'stop it! give yourself a break' <-  Im tired of listening to this bitch I wish Roberto was here to play the piano
23:04 <xm> Marttin: next time you take a photo of something can you make sure you have 'xm' in it
23:08 <xm> i will do a Breville pic soon
23:12 <Marttin> LOL
23:13 <xm> work has a few Breville appliances
23:21 <anotherirc3r> lol
23:22 <xm> LMAO
23:29 <anotherirc3r> i agree
23:35 <anotherirc3r> where is Roberto>
23:40 <anotherirc3r> we need piano playing
23:41 <xm> roberto told me he's gonna make religious videos
23:44 <xm> as in talk
23:45 <Marttin> 14:24 <xm> Marttin: next time you take a photo of something can you make sure you have 'xm' in it <-- I have already one ready, and its not you who is on there
27:39 <Marttin> who has heard jen?
27:45 <Marttin> I have heard xm, but not her
28:06 <Marttin> #PD chorus
28:08 <xm> lol
28:20 <anotherirc3r> consider yourself lucky
28:27 <xm> those songs i did were silly, i want to be serious about it now
28:52 <President_Trump> jen is singing mp3's of christmas carols this year for all of us
29:02 <anotherirc3r> lol no
29:07 <IvanTheBastard> great idea
29:12 <anotherirc3r> i'm protecting you lot
30:28 <IvanTheBastard> i think Jen has sang for me before ages ago
30:31 <IvanTheBastard> it was very nice
33:54 <IvanTheBastard> and i think xm did some gangsta raps too
34:01 <IvanTheBastard> 'strait outta balga'
34:08 <Marttin> xm has a beautiful voice
34:16 <PaulManaforte> xm is a very pretty lady
34:31 <Marttin> ive only heard mine in dumb recordings and sounds different from when I speak, I dislike it
35:40 <anotherirc3r> you should sing for us Marttin
35:48 <Marttin> I would like to try
35:59 <Marttin> perhaps when I live alone Ill try myself
36:14 <xm> thank f*## my brother left the room
36:20 <xm> now i can record vocals
36:28 <xm> lol Marttin
36:30 <xm> exactly
36:31 <anotherirc3r> sing for us anyway!
36:33 <xm> they cramp your style
36:35 <anotherirc3r> slack
37:06 <Marttin> heh
38:41 <President_Trump> anotherirc3r do u consider roberto an old friend?
39:57 <anotherirc3r> i don't really know him
41:43 <President_Trump> when will u meet tim sim at eastland for a coffee and chat?
42:41 <anotherirc3r> lol what?!
42:46 <anotherirc3r> where did this come from?
43:04 <anotherirc3r> i went there for dinner last week
44:03 <President_Trump> i set u two up
44:10 <President_Trump> now go meet
44:35 <anotherirc3r> err
44:47 <President_Trump> i have identified u two as a good match
44:59 <anotherirc3r> based on?
45:41 <President_Trump> because i am a match maker
45:49 <anotherirc3r> oh, right
46:17 <President_Trump> he lives not far from cheong too
46:26 <Marttin> looooool
46:32 <anotherirc3r> good for him
46:47 <President_Trump> and he has a job
47:00 <anotherirc3r> great
47:04 <President_Trump> he can buy u stuff
47:21 <anotherirc3r> i'm actually fine being by myself
47:21 <President_Trump> and u wont have to worry about him cheating on you
47:23 <anotherirc3r> thanks all the same
50:49 <President_Trump> he has a car
50:52 <President_Trump> he can drive u to tisks
50:58 <anotherirc3r> no thanks
51:02 <Marttin> xDDDDDDDDD
57:34 Quit: Nero ([email protected]) Quit: https://twitter.com/dril/status/247222360309121024
58:02 <anotherirc3r> we need to get back to talking about Marttin singing for us
58:42 <Marttin> it will happen a long time before that, but id like to happen
00:18 <Marttin> http://www.nextpowerup.com/news/29915/nsa-group-hacked-hackers-want-1-million-bitcoins-to-share-info/ hopefully its true
14:51 <Warren1984> Jen if my sister's rabbit smoked weed would that reduce his anxiety?
15:29 <anotherirc3r> lol probably. maybe you should try smoking weed first to make sure
23:00 <oceandweller> weed is illegal and not good for the brain
23:24 * oceandweller slaps anotherirc3r around with a pink Macintosh
24:24 <anotherirc3r> umm.. i don't want a mac
24:26 <anotherirc3r> yuck
24:37 * oceandweller throws a playstation at anotherirc3r
45:05 <Warren1984> Jen wants MacDonalds
45:19 Quit: anotherirc3r ([email protected]) Quit:
47:17 <Warren1984> Tigger_ can you give rabbits seroquel
47:27 <Warren1984> to reduce their anxiety and make them chill out
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50:14 <SoupNazi> President_Trump
50:22 <SoupNazi> watching the african running
51:59 <President_Trump> ?
52:19 <SoupNazi> Bruce is getting over excited at these africans
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