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00:19 <xmmm> It was a circus
00:53 <xmmm> The kids speech was so forced, def not written by her
01:13 <xmmm> Hey romeo
01:33 <[_Romeo\^a> :) hey there
01:35 <[_Romeo\^a> :P
02:32 <Tigger_> there needs to be a troll superpac, that does ads for Hillary with her goofy eyed stroke footage, saying "Hillary will legalise drugs"
02:47 <President_Trump> that video will be yanked off youtube soon enough
04:02 <xmmm> Rofl
04:28 <xmmm> Louder with crowder is the funniest
06:25 <xmmm> He just keeps mocking the sjws
06:38 <Tigger_> I don't think I've seen him yet
07:24 <xmmm> He is in that semifamous footage of him on stage taking on sjws
08:19 <xmmm> He was originally a career comedian which is why hes funny
08:33 <Tigger_> skip seems to be posting on slashdot now:
08:41 <Tigger_> I've got a cool story, bro. We put a NAS device online in our new data center with 4 Seagate Archive 8000 drives in it, and 2 of them died within 24 hours, trashing the RAID array. Thankfully, since it was a new NAS, it wasn't a big deal.
08:42 <Tigger_> Reply to ThisI've got a cool story, bro. We put a NAS device online in our new data center with 4 Seagate Archive 8000 drives in it, and 2 of them died within 24 hours, trashing the RAID array. Thankfully, since it was a new NAS, it wasn't a big deal.
08:46 <xmmm> What the?
09:27 <Tigger_> the reply:You wot mate?
09:28 <Tigger_> Seagate Archive drives are designed for cold storage, as they say 6 times on their web page for the drive. If you don't know what "cold storage" means, it means "not RAID".
09:29 <Tigger_> So, you build a RAID array out of drives designed for "not RAID", and they started failing on you. And this is somehow Seagate's fault? The mind boggles.
10:20 <xmmm> Lol
11:17 <xmmm> Still, i keep associating seagate with lack of quality
11:57 <Tigger_> indeed they are lower quality, but human stupidity is likely the cause of more drive faults than Seagate
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20:37 <President_Trump> http://downtrend.com/robertgehl/oops-bill-clinton-says-he-accidentally-took-500000-from-algeria-during-key-arms-negotiation-with-state-department
20:59 <[_Romeo\^a> puke
24:58 <Tigger_> so Hillary wants to make guns illegal in the US, while lobbying to allow third world countries with human riots violations to acquire far more dangerous weapons
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31:43 <President_Trump> <mrwuf> jus reading https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/4whjuh/male_strippers_of_reddit_what_are_your_most/
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52:04 <Tigger_> does mrwuf want to be a male stripper?
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01:51 <President_Trump> i was thinking more that he wanted to be one of the women
03:14 <Tigger_> heh
03:52 <Tigger_> is that all he's said in the last month or so?
20:00 <President_Trump> no its the first time as ive been in the same channel as him
20:08 <President_Trump> he was talking bits and pieces of rubbish
24:00 <Gregory> Talking about DoC are we? Yeah ive also had my runnings in with him recently. Heard he fled country before immigration came to detain him. Lucky guy..
37:18 <Gregory> Someone tipped him off def.. Would have made my day if he was detained on naru personally a good 24mnths in fed custody seem like heaven vs streets n slums of dhaka. Ppl like him want a better life here but dont even speak or understand english.? Fuk off home i say.
37:55 <Gregory> Makes blood boil
38:07 <President_Trump> he was caught trying to climb the great wall of trump
43:09 <Gregory> From rags to riches back to rags the downfall of DoC the Bangladeshi street orphan. Make a good movie.
43:35 <Gregory> Pity it wont be in English
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02:50 <President_Trump> James has long had an interest in global warming and measures needed to stop it. He sought to make BSkyB, one part of Murdoch’s European operations, carbon-neutral. And his wife, Kathryn, sits on the board of the Environmental Defense Fund; she is also president of the Quadrivium Foundation, which focuses on natural resources, “civic life, childhood health and equal opportunity.”
02:53 <President_Trump> fox news is finished
07:11 <Tigger_> is that the replacement for Roger Ailes?
07:55 <President_Trump> rupert is doing it in the short term
08:20 <President_Trump> the sons wanted ailes gone
08:31 <Tigger_> why?
08:54 <President_Trump> i dont know, no one really knows what they are going to do yet
09:26 <President_Trump> they will probably try to become mainstream
09:52 <Tigger_> that's already a crowded market
10:41 <Tigger_> one of the sons convinced Rupert to buy MySpace for $600 million, not an entirely bad purchase if they had any clue how to run it
10:56 <President_Trump> lol
11:09 <President_Trump> i think it was one of them that sent one tel broke in australia too
11:22 <Tigger_> yes
13:23 <President_Trump> that article said megyn kelly had been taking some lefty positions as well since ailes left
13:26 <President_Trump> i had noticed that too
13:42 <Tigger_> showing her true colours
14:07 <President_Trump> i put it down to being anti trump
14:34 <President_Trump> shes probably got a job at cnn lined up
14:39 <Tigger_> a lot of them are desperate to win peer approval and industry awards
15:32 <Tigger_> the hint of a chance of getting an industry award keeps them politically in line
16:02 <Tigger_> there will be no journalistic awards for exposing Hillary's corruption, as an example
16:04 <President_Trump> hannity's show is the best, he doesnt bother trying to appear 'fair'
17:38 <Tigger_> why mrwuf was reading that reddit:
17:41 <Tigger_> Former male stripper, I worked for a club but sometimes they would sent us out for parties and such. I got sent out for a bachelorette party and found out the women were a bunch or racists, (I'm black) they wanted a different stripper to come. After they had been trying to contact the strip club one decided it could work out and try to do a slave theme with me instead....fuck that shit, fortunately for me the others wernt down for the
17:41 <Tigger_> idea. I called and got someone to trade out with me, that was just a really uncomfortable situation. I lost count of how many times I was referred to as "that N*r/the N*r"...racist bitches
18:03 <President_Trump> i was watching a cnn panel discussion the other day and the conservative representative was a ted cruz staffter
18:06 <President_Trump> staffer
18:35 <President_Trump> a black person didnt write that, not enough spelling mistakes
20:40 <Tigger_> he would be former staffer now? I assume Cruz has no more money for staff, other than his senate office
21:57 <President_Trump> it was a she, just said part of the ted cruz campaign
22:02 <President_Trump> so maybe ex
23:13 <President_Trump> breitbart should start a tv network if fox turn into tree huggers
23:41 <Tigger_> actually it's interesting they failed at MySpace, usually a market allows for at least two big players with significant differentiation, facebook could have been the boring respectable social network, and myspace the wilder more fun one
25:06 <President_Trump> i cant remember when they bought it, when it was still very popular or when it was pretty much rotten
25:38 <President_Trump> myspace's software was hopeless, you could see everyone that had been visiting your page
25:49 <President_Trump> and there was spam everywhere irc
27:45 <Tigger_> myspace was built with ColdFusion, a rapid development tool/language that doesn't scale that well, facebook uses PHP which has lower server overhead, and faster page loads
28:46 <Tigger_> though ideas that Zuckerberg had for facebook being a utility with apps has kind of fallen by the wayside
29:26 <President_Trump> he doesnt really have to do much more with it apart from grow ad revenue
29:36 <President_Trump> and try rigging the election
30:22 <Tigger_> and banning posts about rapefugees
40:01 <Tim-Sim> Negativity and an argumentative attitude slow healing
05:17 <Tigger_> http://downtrend.com/donn-marten/sad-sack-sanders-tries-to-stay-relevant-after-shanking-his-followers-in-the-back
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02:02 <Arbition> "Alexis Cullen, a US Peace Corps volunteer adviser for projects in telemedicine, told Pacific Beat the presence of high-speed internet in the village has already helped save the life of a pregnant woman, after a nurse connected with a doctor via Facebook."
03:58 <doctor> I'm not sure why it's so difficult for our politicians to understand the perks of having high-speed internet - especially out rural
04:16 <doctor> Too many old people stuck in their ways I suppose
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21:14 <DaylightSlavingTime> I don't think anyone would disagree that there are many perks of high speed internet
23:04 <Arbition> Perhaps utility is a better description
24:34 <DaylightSlavingTime> the cost benefit is another matter though
26:04 <Arbition> perhaps. Stability is possibly more important than speed
26:45 <Arbition> though the standard of what constitutes moderate speed internet also changes over time
26:53 <Arbition> while requirements for stability stay much the same
27:23 <Arbition> Fibre optics are less prone to issues than copper lines. Most specifically from water ingress
28:04 <DaylightSlavingTime> like everything else in the world, one has to pick between: price, speed (of deployment), and quality. you never get three out of three
29:40 <Arbition> Price is mitigated by RoI
29:54 <Arbition> like buying a cheap tyre now and replacing it sooner
30:10 <Arbition> while also getting less fuel economy and less handling usually
32:45 <Arbition> I am proud to say I switched to Yokohama tyres after spending time with cheap tyres and finding them unsatisfactory
32:51 <Arbition> on both my cars
32:56 <DaylightSlavingTime> then you could say to Robinson Crusoe, "Don't bother making a fishing net, instead build a fishing trawler."
33:11 <Arbition> we are hardly in a bootstrap situation here
34:02 <Arbition> we already have the fishing net
34:05 <DaylightSlavingTime> and what return on investment will we see in monetary terms?
36:09 <Arbition> When have we ever heard that question before? The problem with the question is that it assumed that were we are now will stay steady. But actually the copper line is already degrading and is already having to be replaced
37:20 <Arbition> the primary cost is not the fibre and end points, the primary cost is the manpower in digging
38:03 <DaylightSlavingTime> no I'm not assuming that the copper network is in stasis, rather that if an argument is based on it being an investment, then it should be stated what the actual returns are going to be
38:36 <Arbition> The investment is an infrastructure that should require less maintenence in the futre
38:46 <Arbition> so that we don't have to fix it so often
39:36 <Arbition> that means continuing maintenence costs should go down
39:51 <Arbition> much like the decent tyre
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41:20 <DaylightSlavingTime> we pay the cost of maintenance of the copper network now, it's certainly nothing like $40-70 billion, how many years till that maintenance cost equals $40-70 billion?
42:05 Nick: halcyon is now known as zutara
42:45 <Arbition> I imagine in excess of 20 years
43:01 <Arbition> Not atypical for an infrastructure thing
43:57 <DaylightSlavingTime> perhaps if Rudd had not been in the middle of a spending spree on all sorts of useless things (pink bats), and not treated the NBN as a political stunt worked out on the back of an envelope, and instead formulated a graduated transition plan with solid costings, then there wouldn't have been such scepticism
45:10 <Arbition> well actually his stunt was the FTTN network
45:19 <Arbition> the FTTP came later
48:19 <DaylightSlavingTime> yes, further testament to the ad-hoc nature of how it all came to be
49:23 <Arbition> regardless of the politics involved, full fibre is technically better in every way except latency... if not for the fact that ADSL interleaving eradicated this advantage
49:53 <Arbition> Sure it was a political stunt
49:58 <Arbition> what infrastructure project isn't
50:12 <Arbition> But for those of us who know how it works, we cheered
50:14 <DaylightSlavingTime> at the same time the minister in charge, Stephen Conroy, was an advocate of the internet filter. so going forwards with the Rudd/Conroy vision, we'd have South Korean internet speeds with North Korean gatekeeping
50:29 <Arbition> iirc that had bipartisan support
50:39 <President_Trump> krudd spent $15b on school halls that just made the builders rich
50:49 <DaylightSlavingTime> no. the coalition was completely against the internet filter
51:30 <DaylightSlavingTime> yes, the school halls farce, which was in effect a union subsidy
52:42 <Arbition> Oh thats right
52:47 <Arbition> it was metadata retention
52:53 <Arbition> which I classify as the same thing
53:11 <Arbition> probably why I got confused
53:35 <DaylightSlavingTime> no, not the same thing, metadata retention just takes note of where you've been, doesn't stop you from getting there
53:52 <President_Trump> the problem with building up a nice future fund type situation is that at some stage it will be raided for votes
54:34 <Arbition> Which I am equally unhappy about
54:46 <Arbition> thus why I classify it as the same thing
55:18 <President_Trump> what do we have now?
55:40 <Arbition> Pretty much none of the ISPs were able to implement it either, it was such a terrible burden for zero gain
55:48 <DaylightSlavingTime> the NBN supporters really only have themselves to blame, at no time on Delimited, Whirlpool, etc. did I ever see any of these gung-ho supporters ever hold an economically balanced view of the matter, it was just all wide eyed utopianism, without the slightest criticism of Rudd's other spending projects
56:12 <Arbition> in time anyway
56:30 <President_Trump> i remember something about it fizzling out a few years ago
56:44 <DaylightSlavingTime> rather, generally they seemed to support all the other Rudd spending programs, including his now forgotten carbon trading scheme
57:06 <Arbition> the one Turnbull supported
57:18 <DaylightSlavingTime> Turnbull is much the same as Rudd
57:23 <Arbition> funny
57:24 <Arbition> that
57:51 <Arbition> You know how the libs slathered malcom all over their advertising
58:29 <DaylightSlavingTime> that is the way elections are generally done
59:03 <Arbition> mmm attack dogs make for good opposition, not governance
59:07 <Arbition> ie abbott
59:24 <DaylightSlavingTime> Abbott did some things well, he stopped the boats
59:39 <DaylightSlavingTime> I am at a loss to identify anything Turnbull does well
59:58 <Arbition> act as a bridge enough to keep the centre voters on side
00:25 <Arbition> because we all know that he doesn't actually have much say in decision making
00:29 <DaylightSlavingTime> he didn't really do that either, since the coalition only scraped through
00:47 <Arbition> that could easily be attributed to the depressing economic conditions
01:03 <Arbition> people want blood when economics go bad
01:06 <Arbition> he managed to hold on
01:07 <President_Trump> abbott made a complete mess of his paid parental leave scheme
01:53 <President_Trump> they all govern by the polls too much, although thats a good thing in regard to labor
02:13 <Arbition> in that shorten is a greasy muppet in the public eye?
02:23 <DaylightSlavingTime> Turnbull is a vacuous, waffling character, with no real convictions other than he needs to be PM to address his inadequacy issues
02:57 <DaylightSlavingTime> it's actually amazing that Turnbull did so badly against a weak opposition leader like Shorten
03:01 <Arbition> which has little to do with the public mind
03:24 <President_Trump> the only thing turnbull shows any conviction on is taxing people with high super balances more, everything else he flip flops all over the place
03:36 <Arbition> All that said though, there was yet more votes going out to non core parties
04:04 <Arbition> so the opposition was not the real "opposition"
04:17 <Arbition> dissatisfaction generally was the opposition
06:51 <President_Trump> geez krudd blew 4 billion on that pink bats program, i dont remember it being that much
06:56 <DaylightSlavingTime> Abbott's real flaw was not having the conviction to be what his enemies accused him of being, a ruthless rightwing ideologue. if he was then he'd have gleefully axed Rudd's spending programs, nor launched into bizarre spending programs of his own, like the stillborn paid parental leave scheme
07:28 <DaylightSlavingTime> he'd still be PM today if he was what the left accused him of being
07:34 <Arbition> I disagree
07:37 <Arbition> but I prefer it this way
07:47 <Arbition> because I like that non core parties got a boost
08:20 <DaylightSlavingTime> it's good that Pauline has 4 senate seats
08:36 <Arbition> If abbott stayed, he'd either be thrown out on his ass and people would have gone to labor (by my reckoning), or would have rallied behind the libs (by yours)
08:47 <Arbition> this way, both major parties have been the losers
09:11 <DaylightSlavingTime> John Howard did very well in his early years by slashing govt programs
09:27 <DaylightSlavingTime> though he started doing his own after awhile
09:35 <President_Trump> that wont happen again because of what happened to campbell newman
09:40 <DaylightSlavingTime> yes
09:47 <President_Trump> as a politician would rather stay in power than stand by their principles
10:47 <President_Trump> as long as teh rest of the world piles up debt they can just say 'ours isnt as high as x country'
11:16 <Arbition> however, if the economy keeps going backwards (which by my reckonig it will), even though politics has little to do with it, in 3 years it could easily go a different way
11:32 <Arbition> There'd have to be a resurgence in mineral prices for this to not happen
11:55 <DaylightSlavingTime> Howard was able to do it as he had been around a long time, and people generally thought he knew what he was talking about, whereas Campbell Newman was not so well known
12:00 <President_Trump> things will get a kick along after the recession like they always do
12:17 <Arbition> The question is, where is the bottom?
12:29 <Arbition> The share market tells us people suck at predicting the top and the bottom
12:32 <President_Trump> we havent had the recession yet
13:54 <President_Trump> that doesnt really make sense as every share sale is a buy/sell
14:02 <President_Trump> so someone wins and someone loses
14:17 <Arbition> the share price drives confidence
14:24 <Arbition> the economy runs on confidence
14:27 <Arbition> ie willingness to spend
14:34 <Arbition> based on expectations of future returns
14:47 <President_Trump> you could argue the reverse as well
14:57 <Arbition> How do you mean?
15:04 <DaylightSlavingTime> a market cap is really just the price of the last sale multiplied by the number of shares, it's not very significant in terms of the wider economy, unless politicians want it to be
15:07 <President_Trump> confidence drives share price
15:08 <Arbition> I see two reverse meanings
15:16 <Arbition> ok thats now 3
15:17 <Arbition> sure
15:19 <Arbition> I agree
15:44 <Arbition> so in summary, confidence drives confidence
16:03 <Arbition> until it collapses, then lack of confidence drives lack of confidence
16:12 <Arbition> making it hard to tell when people regain their confidence
16:15 <Arbition> or lose it
16:30 <DaylightSlavingTime> this is Keynes' animal spirits notion, in reality confidence is just as easily misplaced confidence
16:42 <President_Trump> stock markets are generally good predictors of recessions though, it has been studied a lot
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16:59 <Arbition> or potentially drivers
17:04 <Arbition> because investment creates jobs
17:24 <DaylightSlavingTime> the 1929 crash didn't cause the Great Depression, rather it was the governments reaction to the crash that caused the depression
17:47 <President_Trump> when everyone is saying to buy it is generally the worst time to buy, when everyone is saying to sell it is generally the worst time to sell
18:08 <Arbition> and because some people know that, the direction changes
18:16 <Arbition> suddenly
19:26 <Arbition> DaylightSlavingTime: A knee jerk, sudden reaction eh?
20:16 <DaylightSlavingTime> even Rudd acknowledged (perhaps unwittingly) that the Great Depression was due to govt intervention after the stock crash, when he argued that the world must not put up protectionist trade barriers in response
20:52 <Arbition> and yet these days we are seeing calls for protectionism, except rather than by goods, by labour
21:03 <Arbition> ie immigration
22:04 <DaylightSlavingTime> govts did actually do this after the 1929 crash, but international trade at this time was only a fraction of the GDP of major economies like the US, so that probably wasn't it, but rather the vast array of other legislation that govts introduced to micromanage business
22:30 <Arbition> surely that acknowledgement isn't so complete then
22:32 <DaylightSlavingTime> I am yet to see a single coherent reason why goods and labour should be conflated together, they are completely unlike
23:17 <Arbition> The reason imports are cheap is because of cheap labour, right?
23:28 <DaylightSlavingTime> cheap labour over there
23:32 <Arbition> indeed
24:21 <Arbition> Because of that the attitude when a person comes from a poorly developed country is, I'm getting away from filth into something half decent... I'm happy with living a cheap life
24:35 <Arbition> and so they displace locals who are more accustomed to a more expensive lifestyle
25:05 <Arbition> In other words, cost of goods and services is correlated with cost of production
25:09 <Arbition> primarily labour costs
25:27 <DaylightSlavingTime> cars and refrigerators do not acquire political agency, they do not get to vote, get welfare, go to hospitals, have baby cars and fridges, etc.
25:50 <Arbition> I was purely considering the economic angle, which was the topic prior
25:57 <DaylightSlavingTime> it's a correlation, but the production theory of value is a very old fallacy
26:20 <DaylightSlavingTime> Adam Smith subscribed to it, to his eternal shame
26:46 <DaylightSlavingTime> even Marx conceded that the production theory of value is at best provisionally true
27:18 <Arbition> Isn't that the primary argument for the dismantlement of unions?
28:20 <DaylightSlavingTime> the School of Salamencia had already argued for the market theory of value prior to Smith, though it's unlikely that Smith would have been aware of the prior discovery
28:41 <DaylightSlavingTime> who is arguing for the dismantlement of unions?
29:03 <Arbition> Institute of Public Affairs I would have thought
29:25 <Arbition> Even amongst left leaning people I'm starting to see that sentiment though, but not for the traditional reasons
30:04 <President_Trump> http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/08/07/hillary-clinton-needs-help-getting-stairs/
30:12 <DaylightSlavingTime> during the time of England's great industrial disputes, Hayek argued that if unions did not exist, then businesses would find it necessary to invent them
30:57 <DaylightSlavingTime> and they do, such as Coles has its own employees union
31:59 <Arbition> Interesting
32:20 <DaylightSlavingTime> I'm not aware of anyone seriously arguing for the dismantlement of unions, rather it's the excesses of particular unions that seems to be the issue
32:21 <Arbition> I was thinking of non-business specific unions though
33:31 <Arbition> From the left, the contention is that Unions are getting too cosy with government, essentially.
33:38 <DaylightSlavingTime> that looks like the same agent that comforted her on stage during one of her rallies, saying "It's ok"
33:52 <Arbition> Standing up for different things than they used to
34:58 <DaylightSlavingTime> unions don't really have much of a place in the more fringe left of environmentalists, social justice warriors, and assorted minorities
35:41 <DaylightSlavingTime> the US which doesn't have as much of a union culture has had its left more completely taken over by fringe types
35:48 <Arbition> I was thinking working left. Specifically a story a guy who is an educator in a vocational school. Not fringe left at all
36:35 <DaylightSlavingTime> btw, another Clinton victim: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-08-05/lead-attorney-anti-clinton-dnc-fraud-case-mysteriously-found-dead
37:01 <DaylightSlavingTime> for a borderline cripple, she's as deadly as ever
37:43 <President_Trump> she killed that iranian scientist with her emails as well
41:21 <President_Trump> http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-08-07/cnn-host-slams-americas-greatest-olympian-ever-not-being-black-muslim-woman
41:24 <President_Trump> lol
41:27 <President_Trump> cant make this up
46:56 <DaylightSlavingTime> she hasn't won anything yet, except the diversity prize of being the first hijab wearer in the US Olympic team: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/olympics/2016/08/07/rio-olympics-2016-ibtihaj-muhammad-set-to-become-the-first-ameri/
52:30 <LOOPYDOG> please everyone
52:32 <LOOPYDOG> continue
54:13 <DaylightSlavingTime> Youtube Live Stream
54:13 <DaylightSlavingTime> Trump: Averages 30,000 live viewers per stream
54:13 <DaylightSlavingTime> Clinton: Averages 500 live viewers per stream
54:42 <DaylightSlavingTime> most of that 500 would be media people
54:50 <DaylightSlavingTime> Reddit
54:50 <DaylightSlavingTime> Trump: 197,696 subscribers
54:50 <DaylightSlavingTime> Hillary: 24,429 subscribers
54:50 <DaylightSlavingTime> Hillary for Prison: 55,228 subscribers
55:32 <DaylightSlavingTime> a lot of the Hillary reddit members are Berniebros going there to start fights
56:31 <President_Trump> the biggest mistake hillary has made was not rigging the superdelegates before 2008
00:06 <DaylightSlavingTime> they split fairly evenly then, I guess she thought she had them by right of being Mrs. Clinton
01:14 <LOOPYDOG> NEITHER Hillary Clinton or Donald J Trump will be the next UNITED STATES OF AMERICA President.
03:14 <doctor> I'm not sure who will be
03:21 <President_Trump> kayne west
03:36 <doctor> Last few weeks before elections will determine the winner
03:48 <doctor> Right now it's largely unimportant
06:03 <DaylightSlavingTime> the polls claiming a 10-20% drop for Trump are fanciful, such electoral elasticity is exceedingly rare
08:12 <doctor> polls only matter just before the election
10:33 <DaylightSlavingTime> the American system makes polling to predict the president rather complicated, as a state's college votes will entirely go to the winner, even if they won by 50.1%, so big states can sway things a lot, even though the polling might be almost even
12:15 <LOOPYDOG> i would rather see military rule
13:57 <President_Trump> a lot of pollsters all seemed to change their methodology to generate the recent drops
18:53 <President_Trump> i wonder how good those vr flight simulation games are
25:44 <President_Trump> https://youtu.be/S0-UR3FVH1E?t=239
25:48 <BlackDevil> Youtube: War Thunder - VR Simulator with Oculus Rift / Full Set of Controls (Jan 18, 2016) Length: 12:37 - Category: Gaming - 331,979 views views - 4,463 likes (98.7%), 60 dislikes (1.3%)
27:21 <DaylightSlavingTime> the sky isn't very hard to render, so that's 50% of GPU power that can be devoted to other things
50:06 <President_Trump> womens 7's rugby at olympics lol
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29:09 <Glenn> Latest news on the American election front...
29:47 <Glenn> Hillary Clinton has doubled her lead over Wanna-Be Trump.
42:02 <Arbition> Remember Deez Nuts?
42:08 <Arbition> man what happened to him
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38:35 <President_Trump> for Glenn
38:36 <President_Trump> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CpS67wnUkAQGpbM.jpg
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07:34 <xmmm> Hi all
07:49 <xmmm> Didnt realise it was raining outside
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49:25 <President_Trump> this arizona serial killer is up to 9 now, i was wondering why it took so long for a washington sniper copycat
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08:41 <oko1211> whos the fag who chose the topic
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23:45 <IvanTheBastard> Lishyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
23:49 <Lish> Hi
24:00 <IvanTheBastard> how r u?
24:08 <Lish> I'm ok, you
24:25 <IvanTheBastard> Great :)
24:35 <IvanTheBastard> Whats been going on
24:56 <Lish> Not too much, same old same old
24:57 <oko1211> you already asked that
24:58 <Lish> You
25:14 <oko1211> now she just said that out of kindness because you're full on retard
25:17 <oko1211> like tigger
25:31 <Lish> lol
25:59 <IvanTheBastard> Im about to hit some games
26:07 <Lish> What games
26:35 <IvanTheBastard> rainbow six siege
26:52 <IvanTheBastard> fkn hard game man, hard for a newb
26:59 <IvanTheBastard> bit of a learning curve
30:51 <oko1211> breaker u nub
32:08 <breaker> Says the nub.
32:22 <breaker> Using Trillian lolllllllllll
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33:07 <xm> who is oko1211 ?
33:24 <oko1211> i use trillian for various reasons
33:58 <breaker> Lets find out
34:48 <President_Trump> he is that raging lefty that comes in here sometimes
35:20 <xm> Jewish?
35:50 <President_Trump> lol q&a discussing the american election
36:29 <breaker> *.xplornet.com ?
36:33 <President_Trump> the answer to the first question 'trump is a giant toddler'
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38:24 <President_Trump> 'we need the next president to be someone that doesnt yell at babies'
39:33 <breaker> 116.250.* Aapt ?
39:37 <breaker> they still around?
41:05 <President_Trump> hes using a vpn
42:34 <President_Trump> bob carr very worried about trump's anger LOL
58:07 <President_Trump> panel stacked 4/5 trump bashers
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03:39 <Glenn> 42% of surveyed Americans believe Donald Trump should be President.
03:46 <xm> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6K7YXaNw2CU
03:51 <BlackDevil> Youtube: Europe's Last Chance (Aug 8, 2016) Length: - Category: News & Politics - 4,181 views views - likes (98.8%), 9 dislikes (1.2%)
04:13 <Glenn> But...
04:39 <Glenn> ...50% believe Hillary Clinton should be President.
14:14 <President_Trump> lol this q&a is a classic
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34:03 <Thebigdon> hi
34:18 <Thebigdon> what's up
34:53 <Thebigdon> so fricken bored
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48:40 <Thebigdon> what no insults
49:10 <Thebigdon> Fucken hell u must be sick
49:40 <Thebigdon> or u realiZed who the asshole is now
49:50 <Thebigdon> cause it's not me
51:20 <Thebigdon> try to help a woman realiZe you guys are stalkers
51:40 <Thebigdon> and get shit on
52:10 <Thebigdon> well not me that's going to get hurt
52:16 <President_Trump> who are u? real tisk or fake tisk?
52:36 <Thebigdon> fuck off President_Trump
52:51 <Thebigdon> poor woman is confused
53:01 <Thebigdon> and u guys prey on her
53:16 <Thebigdon> u Fucken sick fucks
54:26 <Thebigdon> I may be insane but I'm not an asshole stalker
55:23 <President_Trump> what woman?
56:14 <Thebigdon> I tried to help
56:29 <Thebigdon> but she listens to shit talkers
56:39 <Thebigdon> that only want one thing
57:06 <President_Trump> when did u talk to her last?
57:47 <Thebigdon> when I told her don't meet stalkers off internet
58:27 <Thebigdon> just cause ppl talk the talk doesn't mean they actually know shit
58:48 <Thebigdon> I would say I know too much
59:03 <Thebigdon> but I don't go saying I know everything
59:23 <Thebigdon> like one fuck head on here
59:47 <doctor> This is why more people need to be gay
00:24 <Thebigdon> nup
00:29 <Thebigdon> whe
00:44 <Thebigdon> when u see someone in trouble
00:59 <Thebigdon> and u have a heart u help them
01:14 <Thebigdon> guess none you have morals
01:24 <breaker> I agree doctor.. Chris just needs to open the closet door and come out.
02:11 <doctor> helping people is fine if you can trust them, otherwise your efforts will be futile
02:14 <Thebigdon> yeah I'm a lesbian
02:30 <Thebigdon> I've only slept with a lesbian
02:50 <Thebigdon> tried help her too
03:00 <Thebigdon> got shit on for that also
03:55 <Thebigdon> then when I find woman of my dreams the lesbian fucks it up
04:20 <Thebigdon> at least I still talk to one I love
04:52 <breaker> Tell the real story Chris. Suzi didn't want you and told you to leave.. you refused and became abusive.. she then called the police because she didn't feel safe around you.. then got an order put on you.
05:47 <Thebigdon> u don't know ahit
06:04 <breaker> But you told that story.. that's how I know.
06:10 <Thebigdon> I'm talking to her on fb right now
06:10 <breaker> therefore.. I DO know shit.
06:27 <breaker> Sure you are.. that's why you're here crying about someone else.
07:24 <Thebigdon> I'm not crying
07:39 <Thebigdon> I'm saying watch your back if Jen gets hurt
08:04 <Thebigdon> I don't want her as lover
08:14 <Thebigdon> I just want her saffe
08:14 <breaker> Are you threatening me Chris?
08:35 <Thebigdon> yes text nick name
08:55 <Thebigdon> that doesn't show him self cause he is a coward
09:25 <Thebigdon> u should shut up for good bre
09:41 <breaker> You say all this.. and yet.. you have hurt her the most.. that's why she doesn't want to talk to you.
10:07 <Thebigdon> I don't care I just don't want her hurt
10:23 <breaker> You don't want her hurt.. but you hurt her yourself?
10:28 <Thebigdon> tried help
10:30 <President_Trump> jen and breaker wont be over again until you get some better chairs chris
11:05 <breaker> Chris.. take notice of this quote
11:10 <breaker> https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/fd/02/d2/fd02d2b50d27f91869ebe449f60c8323.jpg
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17:19 <breaker> 3 hours later.. comes back and says it all over again.
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17:43 <breaker> fuKkKn sTaLkeRz
20:06 <DaylightSlavingTime> Chris told me that his guests lectured him on why renting is better than owning a home
24:20 <breaker> I find that hard to believe.. more like he lectures people about owning a home is better than renting... WITH A LOUD/AGGRESSIVE voice.
27:31 <DaylightSlavingTime> it's not hard to believe, a lot of people are very jealous of him
27:46 <breaker> lol
29:12 <breaker> Well i'm not. He's jealous because females go visit other people and not him.
32:52 <President_Trump> jen went to visit him tho and shes female
32:56 <President_Trump> myth busted
34:15 <DaylightSlavingTime> heh
36:48 <breaker> Not after the shit he said. He only has himself to blame as to why she wont visit him again.
38:11 <President_Trump> damn i missed bolt, they had that lunatic american on that was on q and a
40:48 <DaylightSlavingTime> what lunatic?
41:26 <President_Trump> they had an anti trump panel
41:31 <President_Trump> he was some know it all american
41:38 <President_Trump> i dunno what his name was
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42:49 <President_Trump> the answer to the first question 'trump is a giant toddler'
56:16 <President_Trump> https://web.archive.org/web/20160415185547/http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/12/central-america-migrants-rape_n_5806972.html
59:28 <DaylightSlavingTime> they're not sending us their best, they're sending us their rape pigs
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