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13:06:54 Topic Is: Trump has already made Japan great again: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbM6WbUw7Bs | Japanese girl goes crazy for Trump: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tXv_PJPycA
13:06:54 Set By: (Tigger_) on: Sun Jun 19 15:35:00 2016
13:09:00 Nick: damian is now known as damian1
14:01:52 <Tigger_> <Arbition> so we know that we shouldn't be overprescribing antibiotics <- sadly that is probably too late
14:02:00 <Arbition> yeah...
14:02:08 <Arbition> even though we know about it
14:02:10 <Arbition> it still happens
14:02:30 <Arbition> that and its already beinginning to affect hospitals
14:02:59 <Arbition> laziness
14:03:09 <Tigger_> antibiotics are used for livestock, which is utterly irresponsible given that most viruses are likely incubated in herd animals
14:03:29 <Arbition> easier to prescribe and be protected from malpractice suits
14:03:52 <Arbition> no thinking required
14:04:14 <Tigger_> my personal policy with regards to antibiotics is to almost never use them, not unless it is absolutely necessary
14:05:17 <Tigger_> I've observed how people who take antibiotics at will tend to need them more and more, becoming less effective each time
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14:38:44 <Warren1984> Tigger_ what if I have folders for 1. cooking 2. maintenance 3. cleaning
14:38:53 <Warren1984> ahh Gardening as well
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14:40:16 <Tigger_> the uses of bleach and vinegar
14:40:21 <hellokitty> Where's tisk
14:40:39 <hellokitty> Bleach ur anus
14:41:10 <Warren1984> Tigger_ how can you take photos of shopping?
14:41:24 <Warren1984> or money management
14:41:38 <Tigger_> you can't, they're not visual information
14:41:44 <hellokitty> I'm broke
14:42:25 <hellokitty> Got a spare dollar
14:44:34 <Warren1984> aren't all hands-on activities visual?
14:44:43 <Warren1984> as in seeing is believing
14:47:20 <Tigger_> money management is about maths and self-discipline
14:47:49 <Tigger_> well another day and it looks like my Famous Five books are still not arriving
14:48:02 <hellokitty> What about a bumjack
14:48:03 <Tigger_> Arbition, did you ever read Famous Five books?
14:48:19 <Warren1984> you can take photos of things you want to purchase
14:48:47 <hellokitty> Take foto of my balls
14:48:47 <Warren1984> photos and voice recordings are all linear format
14:49:24 <Tigger_> you could take a photo of your pile of money
14:49:31 <Warren1984> so none of them are extroverted sensing, because extroverted sensing happens so quickly that linear analysis is not possible
14:49:52 <Warren1984> you could take photos of the money in your bank once a week and compare it
14:50:47 <Tigger_> take a selfie with you waving a wad of cash and upload it to facebook
14:51:16 <Warren1984> then you will get robbed and or have beggers
14:52:01 <Tigger_> yes, even irc beggars
14:55:39 <hellokitty> Got a spare $2
14:57:28 <hellokitty> Make 5 give u kiss :)
14:57:31 <Warren1984> http://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/gay-lover-miguel-says-omar-mateens-pulse-nightclub-shooting-was-revenge-in-orlando/news-story/5dd4c1151d603b6c13ccf50fe3c5caa8
14:57:52 <Warren1984> Gay lover Miguel’ says Omar Mateen’s Pulse nightclub shooting was ‘revenge’ in Orlando
14:58:10 <Warren1984> A MAN claiming to be the lover of Orlando gunman Omar Mateen said the massacre was revenge after he found out he had slept with an HIV-positive man.
14:58:30 <hellokitty> Was it jon
14:58:52 <hellokitty> Jon mcgarvie that is...
14:58:59 Mode: (by Tigger_) +b *!*[email protected]
14:58:59 Kick: hellokitty was kicked by Tigger_ (Tigger_)
14:59:27 <Warren1984> The Sun reports that a Latino man, named only as Miguel, says that Mateen was furious when he realised a man he had a threesome with carried the disease.
14:59:27 <Warren1984> According to the lover, the experience turned the gunman against Puerto Ricans and he felt the need for revenge.
14:59:27 <Warren1984> The Hispanic man, who met up with Mateen about 20 times, came forward to Univision to tell his side of the story.
15:00:02 <Tigger_> Mateen described Islam as “a beautiful religion in which everyone is welcome — gays, trans, bisexuals, heteros, everyone.”
15:01:14 <Tigger_> you can't get much more moderate muslim than that
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15:07:50 <Warren1984> I don't think he was gay
15:08:02 <Warren1984> I think he did that to earn the trust of gays
15:08:08 <Warren1984> to carry out his evil act
15:08:12 <Warren1984> hey doctor
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15:08:44 <Tigger_> no he was genuinely gay, but also genuinely muslim, they don't cancel each other out
15:09:26 <Tigger_> in Afghanistan all men are gay, as well as being fanatical muslims
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15:10:45 <Tigger_> whenever a culture practices polygamy, it is also selecting for male homosexuality
16:08:16 <Tigger_> I just made popcorn
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16:39:56 <doctor> so it was race related and not gay related
16:42:10 <Tigger_> a mix of everything I say
16:44:16 <doctor> having a double life would be stressful
16:46:30 <Tigger_> he said his wife knew about his gay side, this is not uncommon with muslims
16:47:44 <Tigger_> but at the same time western culture insists that once a fag, you are forever more a fag, and this seems to have caused him a lot of stress
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16:50:23 <myimmortal> pd dsp dp
16:55:19 <Tigger_> hi myimmortal
16:58:30 <myimmortal> hi tigz
17:00:56 <Tigger_> how's things? I'm eating popcorn now
17:08:21 <myimmortal> excellent work tigz. im ok bit under the weather
17:09:31 <Tigger_> got the flu?
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17:15:58 <doctor> technically anyone can be a fag if they wanted, don't even need to have sex with women
17:16:16 <doctor> just a label
17:24:26 <Tigger_> the concept of homosexual as an identity is peculiar to the west, in other parts of the world they restrict the definition to specific acts, which is why Afghan men can be having sex with men, while married to women, but at most just consider it a vice or indulgence
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17:25:26 <Tigger_> being gay, coming out, etc. is all so final, with no way back
17:26:31 <Tigger_> actually it's surprising that something like Mateen hasn't happened before, I don't think he'll be the last
17:27:55 <Tigger_> come to think of it, the legal solidification of the gay identity, such as legal gay marriage, would make Mateen's position even more vulnerable
17:28:30 <Tigger_> I wonder if his male partners ever asked him "What are you doing married to a woman? Why not marry a man instead?"
17:35:32 <myimmortal> mateen represents an opportunity for the gay community to either embrace what mateen did or deride it. any way you look at it they will only look hypocritical even labelling him an abberation of homosexual "unity"
20:15:50 Topic Is: Shooter was a moderate Muslim: "Mateen described Islam as “a beautiful religion in which everyone is welcome — gays, trans, bisexuals, heteros, everyone.” http://tinyurl.com/zbnlgtd | Inspiring Trump speech: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUW2-MUonbo
20:15:50 Set By: (Tigger_) on: Thu Jun 23 19:33:44 2016
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20:18:00 Nick: damian is now known as damian1
20:18:48 <Tigger_> more good news: http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-06-22/nearly-half-of-sanders-supporters-won-t-support-clinton
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20:31:21 <GreekSnake> https://www.facebook.com/omadaalithias/photos/a.415077721914995.1073741828.415071471915620/1002126576543437/?type=3&theater
20:32:06 <Tigger_> hi GreekSnake, what does that say?
20:32:24 <GreekSnake> "Even if No wins, David, call me and I'll tell you how to turn it into a Yes."
20:32:31 <GreekSnake> a barb about last year's Greek referendum
20:33:34 <Tigger_> I am expecting it to be rigged
20:33:56 <Tigger_> that it polls close enough that they could surely put their finger on the scales
20:34:09 <Ethanol> yes, the referendum will be decided by postal votes
20:35:37 <Ethanol> that's how they rigged the recent election in Austria
20:35:52 <Tigger_> what happened there? I missed that one
20:36:04 <Marttin> lol yes, I thought the same
20:36:39 <Marttin> the right was ahead a few points, but there was 800k? postal votes
20:37:03 <Marttin> and finally the green candidate won by 30k votes
20:37:05 <Ethanol> It was a choice between an extremist green candidate and anti-immigrant candidate. The anti-immigrant candidate was well ahead in the polls prior to election day
20:37:05 <Tigger_> that's interesting
20:37:47 <Marttin> lol @ extremist green candidate, supported by the socioliberals and the traditional right
20:38:23 <Tigger_> cuckservatives would side with Chairman Mao if it meant keeping the refugee floodgates open
20:38:39 <Ethanol> yes, the internationalist, pro-big business right
20:38:47 <Marttin> they did, before the cultural revolution
20:39:00 <Marttin> once you dare to touch their money...
20:39:02 <Tigger_> I have read that postal votes tend to be mostly from old voters, ie. baby boomers
20:40:53 <Ozone> don't even count them then
20:49:43 <GreekSnake> and there were widespread irregularities in the vote count
20:49:51 <GreekSnake> the Austrian nationalists are going to court over it
20:50:39 <GreekSnake> you can just imagine triggered elderly feminists who work for the electoral commission simply refusing to count "Nazi" votes
20:55:36 <GreekSnake> The Kronen Zeitung reported of some election irregularities such as a 146.9% turnout in Waidhofen an der Ybbs and another impossible result in Linz.[73] According to the head of the Interior Ministry's election department, Robert Stein, the results (which were simply a reporting error) will be corrected in the official results.[73] FPÖ officials highlighted the discrepancies, but
20:55:36 <GreekSnake> Hofer dismissed that there had been electoral fraud.[74]
20:55:53 <GreekSnake> On 8 June, the FPÖ announced that they will contest the outcome. A ruling by the constitutional court is expected before 8 July, determining if a repeat vote is to be organized in certain regions. Because of the complexity of the FPÖ's lawsuit, a ruling could also come after 8 July. As a consequence, Alexander Van der Bellen's inauguration would be postponed to a later date. The
20:55:53 <GreekSnake> three Presidents of the National Council (Doris Bures - SPÖ, Karlheinz Kopf - ÖVP, Norbert Hofer - FPÖ) would collectively serve as Acting Presidents of Austria, until the ruling by the constitutional court is released.[75]
20:55:59 <Tigger_> yes, sour-faced, grey haired lesbians, saying to themselves "If they win our church will never have a female bishop."
20:56:18 <GreekSnake> heh, that doesn't apply in Catholic Austria
20:56:38 <Tigger_> it does, but they've got some catching up to do
20:58:23 <Tigger_> has there ever been a case in western history where a rigged election was proven, then the results overturned?
20:59:37 <Marttin> western history?
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20:59:49 <Tigger_> as in a first world country
20:59:56 <Tigger_> not Bolivia or something
21:00:02 <Marttin> lol
21:01:03 <Marttin> bolivia has now a very first world cableway
21:01:04 <Marttin> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnc6W_6xGT0
21:01:09 <BlackDevil> Youtube: Bolivia: el teleférico que unió dos mundos - BBC Mundo (Nov 24, 2014) Length: 1:54 - Category: News & Politics - 52,446 views views - 242 likes (96.4%), 9 dislikes (3.6%)
21:04:14 <Tigger_> nice, but what is it for?
21:04:50 <Marttin> to save time travelling, and reduce trafic congestion
21:05:22 <GreekSnake> who built it, the Chinese?
21:05:35 <Marttin> I guess it will attrack a lot of tourist too
21:05:39 <Marttin> no idea
21:06:15 <Tigger_> there's a lot of Chinese investment in South America now
21:06:49 <Marttin> yep, they respect the goverments
21:06:54 <Tigger_> if it's public transport, it's odd that it's to take people from one mountain peak to the other
21:08:03 <Marttin> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doppelmayr_Garaventa_Group austrian
21:08:34 <Tigger_> that makes sense
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21:20:50 <Tigger_> In a striking gesture Wednesday, Pope Francis invited fourteen African migrants to join him on the steps of St. Peter’s Basilica, urging Europe to open its doors to more refugees.
21:21:03 <Tigger_> http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/06/22/accompanied-migrants-pope-francis-says-christian-lets-everybody-come/
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21:24:44 <Warren1984> Tigger_ any new people who have joined here, yet?
21:24:56 <Tigger_> I don't know
21:25:03 <Tigger_> I don't think so
21:25:46 <Warren1984> I told them to download mIRC or use www.mibbit.com
21:25:52 <Ethanol> No one new has joined Austnet since 2001, Warren1984
21:25:54 <Nonfunctional> yea me, hey warren
21:26:24 <Tigger_> Nonfunctional, you are Warren1984's new friend?
21:26:32 <Warren1984> Carl?
21:26:38 <Warren1984> bonie?
21:26:43 <Nonfunctional> karl
21:26:49 <Marttin> 13:25 <Warren1984> I told them to download mIRC or use www.mibbit.com you and them should try KVIrc first
21:26:49 <Warren1984> hey Karl
21:26:57 <Tigger_> hexchat
21:27:08 <Warren1984> ahh yeah hexchat
21:27:16 <Warren1984> welcome Karl
21:27:23 <Marttin> http://www.kvirc.net/?id=releases&platform=win32&lang=en
21:27:30 <Warren1984> Tigger_ is my friend who has Aspergers
21:27:31 <Nonfunctional> cheers
21:28:02 <Tigger_> hello Nonfunctional, so I guess your nick is a reference to your brain?
21:28:18 <Nonfunctional> lol
21:28:42 <Nonfunctional> not really but kinda
21:29:18 <Nonfunctional> what's hexchat?
21:29:52 <Warren1984> hexchat is a free IRC software
21:29:59 <Tigger_> https://hexchat.github.io/
21:30:04 <Tigger_> free and very good
21:30:24 <Marttin> but the theme is too bright
21:30:51 <Warren1984> Tigger_ Karl is Karl Jung
21:31:01 <Ethanol> oh no
21:31:04 <Ethanol> not another one
21:31:13 <Warren1984> Ethanol?
21:31:14 <Nonfunctional> ok I just used the mibbit website
21:31:28 <Warren1984> you can stay on mibbit if you like it
21:31:29 <Nonfunctional> no i'm not that person
21:31:40 <Warren1984> I was joking Karl
21:31:58 <Nonfunctional> right lol
21:34:19 <Tigger_> MBTI is based on Carl Jung's theories
21:34:35 <Tigger_> Jung was also a nazi
21:34:51 <Warren1984> no he wasn't
21:34:59 <Warren1984> he was swiss
21:35:29 <Warren1984> the swiss were neutral in both world war 1 and world war 2
21:35:33 <Nonfunctional> He's dead and swiss
21:36:00 <Nonfunctional> 1961
21:36:04 <Tigger_> he was born Swiss, but lived in Germany
21:36:14 <Warren1984> but he wasn't a nazi
21:36:27 <Warren1984> he objectively analyzed human behaviour
21:36:55 <Warren1984> so that Freud and other Psychologists/Psychiatrist's could understand
21:38:38 <Ethanol> Female version of Ben Carson: http://blog.acton.org/archives/87357-why-do-you-need-a-license-to-braid-hair.html
21:38:57 <Ethanol> She speaks just like him
21:39:50 <Ethanol> Dull topic though
21:41:34 <Tigger_> I'm so angry about braiding licensing, such intrusive statism
21:41:42 <Ethanol> heh
21:44:18 <Tigger_> I long for the day when gay married mexican immigrants can use guns to defend their hair braiding business while smoking medical marijuana
21:46:00 <Nonfunctional> O_o I don't think I can watch it all :/
21:47:36 <Tigger_> I wonder if hair braiding has been taken over by asian FOB females
21:48:01 <Warren1984> Tigger_ do you think Britan will leave the EU?
21:48:29 <Warren1984> will they use their elite longbowmen on the German's?
21:48:33 <Tigger_> I really hope so
21:49:03 <Tigger_> yes, they should use their elite longbowmen
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21:58:23 <Warren1984> Karl are you going to the big breakfast tomorrow?
21:58:31 <Nonfunctional> yea
21:58:42 <Nonfunctional> It's at 9am
21:58:42 <Warren1984> yeah I think I will go as well
21:58:52 <Warren1984> 9am I thought it was at 11am
21:59:56 <Tigger_> 2016's high achievement in the field of libertarian buffoonery: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COItiKtHWyg
21:59:56 <Warren1984> yeah it's 11am
22:00:00 <BlackDevil> Youtube: Should a Jewish Baker Be Forced to Bake a Nazi Cake? (Apr 28, 2016) Length: 1:41 - Category: News & Politics - 9,307 views views - 128 likes (90.1%), 14 dislikes (9.9%)
22:00:04 <Warren1984> I just checked the schedule
22:00:33 <Nonfunctional> I'm trying to learn a new design software might be a bit distracted
22:00:54 <Nonfunctional> oh 11am right
22:01:16 <Warren1984> that is ok
22:01:20 <Tigger_> Nonfunctional, what software?
22:01:21 <Nonfunctional> the lady must have got it mixed up
22:01:45 <Nonfunctional> Manga studio 5
22:02:27 <Nonfunctional> or studio clip paint pro .....same thing tho
22:03:06 <Nonfunctional> they called the download and the disc different names for some reason
22:03:26 <Tigger_> what does it do? create comics from manga artwork?
22:03:58 <Nonfunctional> yea i'm going to use it for art
22:04:09 <Tigger_> interesting
22:04:19 <Tigger_> show us some examples when you're ready
22:04:35 <Nonfunctional> u can use it for comics and manga animation I guess
22:05:49 <Nonfunctional> I'm still waiting for my drawing tablet so haven't really draw anything on it yet
22:06:21 <Tigger_> what tablet are you getting?
22:09:32 <Nonfunctional> erm just a cheapy to start with but later I might upgrade later depends
22:09:37 <Nonfunctional> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00A40GPM8/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
22:10:54 <erlich> Warren1984: how do you know Karl
22:10:59 <erlich> i feel very threatened here
22:11:10 <erlich> i will have to up the Clip Clop jokes
22:12:04 <Tigger_> that is cheap
22:12:38 <erlich> Nonfunctional: do you have any of your work online?
22:12:47 <Tigger_> Nonfunctional, so your drawing skills are not affected by aspergers motor skills problems?
22:13:09 <erlich> i thought Warren1984 meant you have asperger's
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22:14:13 <Nonfunctional> The docs are still deciding whether I have asperger's or not
22:14:58 <erlich> Nonfunctional: how do you know Warren1984 ?
22:15:49 <Nonfunctional> I was studing at TAFE with him
22:16:21 <erlich> oh right
22:16:21 <Nonfunctional> computer systems engineering
22:16:50 <erlich> what is your opinion on Trump>
22:16:51 <erlich> ?
22:18:30 <Nonfunctional> I've not heard a lot about him but he's probably racist
22:18:49 <erlich> what do you think of racism?
22:18:55 <Tigger_> so that means you like him?
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22:20:10 <Nonfunctional> I don't like racism
22:21:00 <Nonfunctional> it technically shouldn't exist from scientific point of veiw
22:21:08 <Tigger_> why not?
22:21:26 <erlich> we are one race?
22:21:33 <erlich> Nonfunctional: are you still studying?
22:25:48 <Warren1984> erlich I quit studying because I kept making too many mistakes
22:26:05 <Warren1984> and I want to focus on things that will give me more self-confidence
22:26:19 <Warren1984> such as cooking, cleaning, socializing etc
22:26:49 <Warren1984> as Tigger_ said cooking doesn't require surgon hands
22:26:56 <Warren1984> surgeon
22:27:01 <Tigger_> indeed
22:27:04 <Warren1984> today we made sausage rolls
22:27:11 <Warren1984> Karl made one as well
22:27:17 <Tigger_> though cake decorating requires a bit of manual dexterity
22:27:28 <Warren1984> we met another girl with Aspergers
22:27:41 <Warren1984> ahh I told you earlier on
22:27:46 <Warren1984> her Name is Bonie
22:27:53 <Warren1984> I think that is how you spell it
22:28:12 <Tigger_> Boney
22:28:38 <Warren1984> how do you know how her name is spelt?
22:29:37 <erlich> Bonnie
22:29:46 <erlich> or Bonny
22:29:50 <erlich> depends on the variation
22:30:15 <erlich> is he a D$P gangstah too, Warren1984 ?
22:34:45 <Tigger_> my Famous Five books should be arriving tomorrow
22:34:49 <Warren1984> who?
22:34:54 <erlich> Warren1984's favourite song
22:34:55 <erlich> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=surVDq1sNe8
22:35:00 <BlackDevil> Youtube: Matt Darey feat Kate Louise Smith - I Still Remember (MuseArtic Remix) (From 'Blossom & Decay') (Jul 26, 2012) Length: 4:56 - Category: Entertainment - 66,583 views views - 727 likes (97.3%), 20 dislikes (2.7%)
22:35:00 <erlich> hopefully my NAS and drives arrive tomorrow
22:35:11 <erlich> Warren1984: Nonfunctional
22:35:13 <Tigger_> what did you end up deciding on?
22:35:23 <erlich> just the 1815+ and 4x4TB Reds
22:35:31 <erlich> Synology 1815+ that is
22:35:35 <Tigger_> ah
22:35:39 <Warren1984> you have to ask him
22:35:40 <erlich> i also got 8GB more RAM for it
22:35:44 <Warren1984> I don't know
22:35:59 <Tigger_> I got my 2x8Tb Reds this morning, they're formatting to RAID 0 now
22:36:01 <erlich> SODIMM is cheapish, just $40ish
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22:36:26 <President_Trump> lololllllllllllllllllllllllllll
22:36:30 <erlich> you still up for teh 8TB drive exchange thingy?
22:36:34 <erlich> nto now though
22:36:39 <erlich> i like to space out spending
22:36:48 <Warren1984> erlich look at my facebook page, I made sausage rolls
22:36:50 <erlich> im not sure how you will copy them all
22:36:50 <Tigger_> yes, any time
22:36:52 <erlich> that's a bit
22:36:57 <erlich> also how you will know which are the best ones
22:37:16 <erlich> yes, i saw them Warren1984
22:37:18 <Tigger_> I will make a tremendous selection, making MKV piracy great again
22:37:36 <erlich> where did you get the 8TB drives from?
22:38:14 <Warren1984> so hungry
22:38:19 <Tigger_> morning President_Trump
22:38:23 <erlich> Warren1984: i love fresh pastry
22:38:36 <Nonfunctional> lol president trump
22:38:36 <erlich> is this at joondy
22:38:53 <Tigger_> just umart again
22:39:14 <Warren1984> Kesh, can your grandmother or Aunt sponsor you to come and live in Australia?
22:39:14 <Warren1984> I dont know..
22:39:14 <Warren1984> have you asked them?
22:39:14 <Warren1984> 8:31pm
22:39:14 <Warren1984> no i dont think they'l help me
22:39:14 <Warren1984> I wonder why?
22:39:14 <Warren1984> Long story
22:39:45 <Warren1984> sounds dodgy
22:39:49 <erlich> they cant because they live in the 'pines
22:39:50 <Tigger_> because she wants you to pay
22:40:06 <Warren1984> no she has a grandmother and aunt that lives here in Australia
22:40:07 <erlich> she has no intentions of meeting ever, probably
22:40:14 <Warren1984> my Dad told me to sus her out first
22:40:34 <Warren1984> he is thinking up questions to try and trip her up
22:40:36 <erlich> Warren1984: tell her you were involved in a car accident and got a 150k payout
22:40:37 <Tigger_> then she'd easily be able to come here, it'd only be the cost of the plane ticket
22:40:39 <erlich> see if she changes suddenly
22:40:45 <Warren1984> already that is a strong sign something is wrong
22:40:53 <Warren1984> lol erlich
22:40:56 <erlich> it is good that you can see this Warren1984
22:41:04 <Tigger_> say that you got a chupa chup stuck in your throat, and they paid you a million dollars compensation
22:41:07 <erlich> Warren1984: i wasnt even joking. well, half was
22:41:08 <Warren1984> yeah but it's fucking depressing
22:41:23 <Warren1984> like Tigger_ says love doesn't exist
22:41:39 <Tigger_> well cat love exists
22:41:45 <erlich> it is not a feeling, just a contractual agreement
22:41:48 <erlich> the feelings go away
22:42:00 <Warren1984> love is a theoretical thing
22:42:06 <Warren1984> it's not concrete
22:42:54 <Warren1984> Tigger_ cats are cold killers
22:43:03 <Warren1984> watch how they kill their prey
22:43:21 <Tigger_> assuming the average cost of a bluray film is $30, 8Tb of bluray rips is $27,840 worth
22:43:23 <President_Trump> it looks like the brexit is going to fail
22:43:24 <Warren1984> Sadistic tendencies
22:43:43 <Tigger_> President_Trump, I've only seen contradictory polls so far, no actual results
22:43:43 <Warren1984> Cats sadistically kill things
22:43:57 <Tigger_> cats love their owners though
22:44:02 <Warren1984> they play with their prey first, before snaping it's neck
22:44:18 <doctor> my cats love my body heat
22:44:20 <erlich> Warren1984: perhaps stronger prey that resist are healthier
22:44:24 <Warren1984> means they enjoy watching the animal suffer
22:44:31 <erlich> it may reduce the chances of getting diseases if they are selective in what they eat
22:44:34 <doctor> when you no longer emit heat, your cat will eat you
22:44:53 <Warren1984> dogs are more brutal, they will tear right through you without a 2nd thought
22:45:00 <Nonfunctional> I thing they tire out preyso they don't get bitten...
22:45:13 <erlich> that is good logic Nonfunctional
22:45:38 <Nonfunctional> yeah mice bite otherwise
22:45:51 <Tigger_> I've seen that with cats attacking snakes, they stand behind the snake and swat the tail, until the snake is too tired to do much, reptiles don't have much stamina
22:46:29 <Warren1984> my ex-dogs use to hunt and kill blue tounge and bobtail lizards
22:46:44 <Tigger_> they shouldn't do that, they're protected
22:46:55 <Warren1984> they savagely bite them shake them around very violently
22:46:58 <Warren1984> bury them
22:47:07 <Warren1984> 1 week later dig them up and eat them
22:47:40 <Tigger_> cats only eat fresh kills, but dogs seem to like eating rotting animals
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22:49:55 <Nonfunctional> my old cat would be able to survive in the wild unless he found a person
22:50:01 <Tigger_> Saltwater crocodiles reach over a tonne in weight and, being about 50% muscle, have a reputation for being extremely powerful animals.
22:50:01 <Tigger_> But drawing from blood and muscle lactate measurements collected by his collaborators at Monash University, University of California and Wildlife Management International in the Northern Territory, Professor Seymour shows that a 200 kg crocodile can produce only about 14% of the muscular power of a mammal at peak exercise, and this fraction seems to decrease at larger body sizes.
22:50:01 <Tigger_> "The results further show that cold-blooded crocodiles lack not only the absolute power for exercise, but also the endurance, that are evident in warm-blooded mammals," says Professor Seymour.
22:50:57 <Tigger_> this is why jaguars can have an easy time killing crocodiles
22:51:40 <Nonfunctional> crocs have an interesting immune system tho
22:52:13 <Nonfunctional> and two aorta's
22:55:23 <Warren1984> Karl thinks I said some funny things in class
22:55:34 <Tigger_> what did you say?
22:55:39 <Nonfunctional> u did
22:55:51 <Warren1984> I was talking to the lecturer about short circuiting a nuclear power plant
22:56:17 <President_Trump> you might get put on the terrorist watch list
22:56:36 <Warren1984> you couldn't really do it anyway, because they have safety breaker bars
22:56:40 <doctor> yeah avoid that. be professional in the public sphere
22:56:51 <Nonfunctional> I wish u said it in oh&s tho
22:57:07 <Warren1984> then we were talking about making a sun in the backyard
22:57:24 <doctor> that's not so bad
22:57:30 <Warren1984> because fusion is the best source of electricity
22:57:43 <Warren1984> the lecturer thought it was cool and liked my idea
22:57:55 <Warren1984> he said he hopes it happens in his life time
22:58:26 <doctor> you'd be assassinated by the saudis if your figured out how to make fusion power feasible
22:58:51 <Tigger_> or the Saudis would fund environmental groups to protest against it
22:59:12 <doctor> that too
22:59:45 <Marttin> electricity is very easy to obtain already, the problem is that you cant put them in cars that are actually out there
22:59:58 <Marttin> and bateries require lots of weird minerals and so
23:00:22 <Tigger_> the batteries are their own environmental problem
23:00:24 <doctor> yeah they have electric cars, but they're crap
23:00:34 <doctor> electricity isn't as strong as combustion
23:00:37 <Marttin> spain and germany often are using more than 50% of energy electricity, and there hasnt been such huge inversions
23:00:54 <Marttin> clean energy*
23:01:15 <Marttin> its actually more doctor
23:01:24 <doctor> we need to tap into dark matter and draw the infinite supply of energy from that
23:01:25 <Marttin> at least when it comes to cars
23:01:29 <Tigger_> Spain and Germany sunk a lot of money into it, to the point of causing unemployment by the weight of taxation
23:01:43 <Marttin> nope Tigger_
23:02:02 <doctor> just tax exemptions would be enough for cleaner energy modules
23:02:07 <Marttin> its actually otherwise, the big petroil companies forced the goverment to tax private owners
23:03:13 <Tigger_> The Spaniards have thrown 100s of billions of euros in subsidies at solar and wind power, and have achieved nothing but economic punishment in return.
23:03:15 <Tigger_> As a result, in the last decade, the true cost of power has spiralled out of control. However, the Spanish government used price caps in an effort to keep prices artificially low. But that simply left taxpayers with an even greater burden to cover the massive cost of renewables subsidies (which represent a state-mandated transfer from the poorest to the richest) – add mounting government debt used to keep the subsidy stream flowing
23:03:15 <Tigger_> – and it can be fairly said that Spain’s energy policy is nothing short of an economic disaster.
23:03:15 <Tigger_> The much touted promise of thousands of so-called “green” jobs never materialized. No surprises there. Instead, the insane cost of subsidising wind and solar power has killed productive industries, with the general unemployment rate rocketing from 8% to 26% (and still rising) – youth unemployment is nearer to 50% in many regions.
23:03:27 <doctor> many people here got solar panels here when solar energy wasn't taxed as much as coal energy, they changed it so the demand is down
23:04:23 <Tigger_> http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/finance/2011/november/spains-green-disaster-a-lesson-for-america/?mobile=false
23:04:31 <Marttin> http://www.pv-magazine.com/news/details/beitrag/spains-government-approves-the-sun-tax_100021485/#axzz4CPJkSEvJ
23:04:47 <Tigger_> http://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2015/12/02/458127741/bankruptcy-looms-for-spains-clean-energy-giant
23:04:53 <Marttin> LOL
23:04:56 <Nonfunctional> I really hope the new pm brings better veiws solar
23:05:14 <Marttin> you see doctor, no need for the saudis to kill you, the western white man would already want you dead for solar panels
23:07:56 <Tigger_> actually the problem with solar is that it's only intermittent, so traditional power sources must be maintained, which has huge fixed costs, but with solar and other renewables you've skimmed off the already thin profit margin that traditional power generation has, so you've spent a lot of money to create a deficit for power utilities, so a 'sun tax' ends up becoming inevitable
23:07:57 <Warren1984> no electric cars are too expensive
23:08:07 <Warren1984> and cannot go long distances without recharging
23:08:25 <Warren1984> electric cars are much more efficient than petrol cars
23:08:49 <doctor> yeah, the markets pretty brutal
23:08:52 <Warren1984> most of the energy in petrol/diesel vechiles goes to heat
23:09:21 <doctor> any new ideas are often smothered by the already established companies, particularly here in Aus
23:09:38 <Nonfunctional> it's dead dinosaurs as fuel......it's going to run out
23:10:59 <Marttin> there is the wind, the water etc
23:12:11 <Marttin> the peak of electricity in spain with wind alone is 56%
23:12:26 <Tigger_> the long prophesied peak oil apocalypse has been pushed far into the future, it will not happen in the lifetime of anyone alive today
23:12:48 <Marttin> we have plenty of solar and also hydropower too
23:13:03 <Marttin> I wonder if australia could use hydropower
23:13:16 <Marttin> the country seems pretty flat, but gets massive floods
23:13:26 <Tigger_> Tasmania attempted to use hydropower in the 1980s, but environmentalists waged a war to stop it
23:13:56 <Tigger_> back when environmentalists demanded that coal be used instead
23:14:00 <Marttin> lol
23:16:03 <Tigger_> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franklin_Dam_controversy
23:16:23 <Marttin> 15:07 <Warren1984> no electric cars are too expensive
23:16:23 <Marttin> 15:08 <Warren1984> and cannot go long distances without recharging
23:16:23 <Marttin> 15:08 <Warren1984> electric cars are much more efficient than petrol cars
23:16:23 <Marttin> 15:08 <Warren1984> most of the energy in petrol/diesel vechiles goes to heat
23:17:04 <Marttin> did you know that doctor?
23:17:40 <Marttin> warren has certain knowledge of almost any topic
23:17:52 <erlich> the batteries for solar are extremely expensive
23:17:59 <erlich> for a small home in australia they'd cost about $6k
23:19:10 <Marttin> but australia has plenty of sun hours right?
23:19:11 <erlich> i find it funny that renewable energy has killed more people and animals than nuclear energy
23:19:45 <Marttin> but not fossil
23:20:04 <Marttin> certainly nuclear goes well, until an accident happens
23:20:05 <erlich> well coal powered plants still emit radiation
23:20:31 <Arbition> Coal is heavily subsidised too
23:20:38 <Arbition> its not just renewables getting support
23:21:12 <Arbition> its like the argument made for not subsidising cars "it isn't economically viable" yet most manufacturers of cars get subsidies from their respective governments
23:21:43 <Arbition> There is a lot of subsidies flying out the door for all sorts of things
23:21:52 <Tigger_> coal is profitable though, even if mining lobbys can mooch some money off the govt
23:22:24 <Tigger_> Australia's car industry would be a lot more viable without the subsidies
23:22:38 <Arbition> wait what
23:22:41 <Marttin> if you are liberal it isnt (at least for your country), the gooks sell it cheaper
23:22:45 <Arbition> it pretty much just lost all f them
23:22:55 <IvanTheBastard> it lost all its subsidies and now its going overseas
23:22:56 <Arbition> Holden Ford and Toyota are all shutting down
23:23:48 <IvanTheBastard> there is no way we can compete with asian economies where people are paid under $1 a day to do a job people in western countries are paied $100s of a day
23:24:04 <Tigger_> the history of subsidies in the Australian car industry, that over the decades they shifted focus from being commercially competitive to leveraging the govt for guarantees of profit
23:24:05 <IvanTheBastard> any profit driven company would be mad to not move to asia
23:24:44 <IvanTheBastard> yeah true, they effectively became another welfare recipient with their hand out for gov monies
23:25:22 <Arbition> the irony here is jobs
23:25:46 <Tigger_> what irony?
23:25:54 <Arbition> so those who were employed partial government purse will now move directly to the government teet
23:26:07 <Tigger_> true, but at a lower cost
23:26:37 <Tigger_> car workers were being subsidised by about $60,000 each if I recall correctly
23:27:04 <Arbition> Allowing us to maintain a strategic manufacturing base
23:27:06 <IvanTheBastard> holy shit that is insane
23:27:24 <Arbition> the tooling down impacts other manufacturers who will likewise tool down
23:27:38 <Tigger_> I agree that there is a strong benefit to having a manufacturing base, but this wasn't the way to do it
23:28:21 <Arbition> oh look, even thailand does subsidies http://asia.nikkei.com/magazine/20140410-Growth-Central/Business/Thailand-woos-more-automakers-with-ecosubsidy-program
23:28:42 <Tigger_> the unions had the luxury of being belligerent in their demands, knowing that the management wouldn't fight them too hard, since it was easier to bend the arm of the govt than the unions
23:29:18 <Tigger_> yes, every car manufacturer in the world is subsidised in one fashion or another, even in Japan
23:30:51 <Arbition> the economics of the situation just is not the whole story
23:30:55 <Arbition> people do actually need to do something
23:30:57 <Arbition> to be productive
23:31:07 <Arbition> its not just for jobs
23:31:13 <Arbition> its also for pride
23:31:14 <Tigger_> why do they need to do something?
23:31:36 <Arbition> Well if ever you want to talk about the superiority of a group, you've got to back it up somehow
23:31:37 <Tigger_> well if it's make-work jobs, either EVERYONE should get them, or nobody should
23:31:55 <Arbition> make work that actually processes goods
23:31:57 <Arbition> not just paper pushing
23:32:53 <Tigger_> but it's not fair to those who miss out on a subsidised job doing something that makes them feel good, what about their pride?
23:33:19 <Arbition> pride of the individual?
23:33:26 <Warren1984> Arbition not much work in Australia involves making things
23:33:32 <Arbition> I know
23:33:33 <Warren1984> Australia is more about services
23:33:34 <Tigger_> yes, if that's what we're talking about
23:33:46 <Arbition> I was thinking pride in our country
23:33:50 <Arbition> in our collective capacity
23:34:07 <doctor> Its patriotic to be unpatriotic
23:34:15 <Warren1984> doctor has the right idea
23:34:18 <Warren1984> Psychology
23:34:22 <Warren1984> that is a service
23:34:35 <Tigger_> well you can do that, but take it to its logical conclusion and it's more like Soviet industry pride
23:34:40 <IvanTheBastard> a service driven economy that revolves around servicing its own populace but not servicing the outside world, that has no production capacity is a scary thought (in a globalised economy)
23:34:45 <Warren1984> President_Trump could open his own stinker licking business
23:34:51 <Arbition> IvanTheBastard: I agree
23:35:02 <Arbition> we do need to export something if we expect to be able to import something
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23:35:13 <doctor> dirt
23:35:16 <Arbition> Tigger_: But as summarised, its like that everywhere then
23:35:18 <Tigger_> we export minerals and produce
23:35:21 <doctor> that's all we're really good for
23:35:33 <doctor> dirt and food
23:35:45 <Arbition> Why is that though? Because we have too many people who think education is for twonks?
23:35:48 <Warren1984> labour is too expensive here
23:35:52 <Warren1984> that is why doctor
23:36:04 <IvanTheBastard> Yeah but we cant do that forever, and we will be slaves to the commodity markets. we really need to produce things again - even technology or intelligence for lack of anything else
23:36:05 <Arbition> Shit maybe everyone without jobs might be the shot in the arm to remind people that attitude is dumb
23:36:07 <doctor> yeah, minimum wage laws makes it hard for people to start up
23:36:15 <Warren1984> Arbition would having a stinker licking business be good?
23:36:22 <Arbition> No Warren1984.
23:36:36 <Tigger_> if you want a viable manufacturing industry, then you've got to be serious about the economic fundamentals, keep the unions under control, remove the red and green tape, and so on. all of which I'd love to see happen
23:36:38 <Arbition> That is essentially positioning ourself for sex tourism
23:36:57 <doctor> i don't think australia has a poor attitude towards education
23:37:21 <doctor> it's just not an option for many people for what ever reason
23:37:25 <doctor> life stressors, ect.
23:37:35 <Arbition> when I say education, I'm mainly thinking in STEM
23:37:47 <Arbition> because STEM is where things are designed and built
23:38:01 <Arbition> loads of people going into law is not particularly helpful
23:38:39 <Tigger_> training loads of people how to obstruct productivity through regulation is not helpful either
23:39:02 <Arbition> I wouldn't mind cutting wage laws, if tax was properly applied
23:39:14 <Arbition> particularly to the largest corporations
23:39:22 <doctor> Many people have had a bad experience with maths in high school, so a different approach to teaching it might be necessary
23:39:31 <Arbition> I agree doctor
23:39:36 <Tigger_> to do what with regards to the largest corporations?
23:39:41 <Arbition> tax them
23:39:51 <Arbition> unfortunately teaching is a lot of work with little reward
23:39:56 <Arbition> so it doesn't attract many people
23:39:56 <Tigger_> I'd cut all corporate tax
23:40:28 <doctor> They certainly attract people who don't have much interest in teaching
23:40:28 <Tigger_> abolish it that is
23:40:37 <doctor> holidays seem rewarding enough
23:40:39 <Arbition> How would we replace that revenue?
23:40:48 <Tigger_> and I'd replace it with a capital exit tax
23:40:55 <Arbition> doctor: Not really, they have a whole bunch of other stuff to do then
23:41:11 <Arbition> Tigger_: A capital exit tax, do tell?
23:41:23 <Tigger_> the money is completely untaxed while it remains in Australia, but whatever leaves the country is taxed at a 50% rate
23:41:35 <Arbition> Interesting idea
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23:42:04 <doctor> I think if we give students more freedom and not treat them like prisoners it might help
23:42:24 <Arbition> as in High School students?
23:42:30 <doctor> but i guess they're just too afraid of having kids roaming the streets or taking up the skill less job market
23:42:31 <doctor> yeah
23:43:03 <Arbition> The hardest thing to teach any child is the value of delayed gratification
23:43:19 <Arbition> without that concept, education looks hard and payoff is unseen
23:43:36 <doctor> yeah that doesn't come untill mid 20s for most people
23:43:46 <Arbition> such as it is
23:44:06 <Arbition> It is why I would be very careful how I treat my children
23:44:17 <Arbition> if it means to let them cry and moan for 20 minutes, I would do it
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23:45:04 <doctor> I'd expect them to take responsibility for themselves from a young age, but not enough responsibility that they would ruin themselves
23:45:25 <Arbition> I agree, but how best do you draw the line on that
23:45:30 <Arbition> further, how do you spread this to other parents
23:45:38 <Arbition> so they don't just dote and spoil their kinds?
23:47:15 <Tigger_> I think the problem is that most parents don't set clearly defined rules, but ad-hoc rules that are sometimes enforced, sometimes not, often unspoken rules, etc., so the incentive for the child becomes to take advantage of whatever opportunity arises, as it may soon vanish
23:47:27 <doctor> Yeah, not much you can do about how others raise their kids. Just got to figure a method on your own and if it's a success others might follow
23:48:08 <Arbition> once again, it might take a recession to put parents in line
23:48:15 <Arbition> when they can't afford to spoil their kids
23:48:40 <Arbition> credit cards have created a lot of social debt
23:48:53 <doctor> variable interval rewards systems are apparently better than fixed interval
23:49:05 <Arbition> That does sound reasonable
23:49:12 <Arbition> being unpredictable makes it a suprise
23:49:16 <Arbition> rather than an expectation
23:49:30 <Arbition> an argument against birthday presents lol
23:50:39 <Arbition> Tigger_: That does make me think to perhaps a deeper problem
23:50:46 <Arbition> General lack of thought and planning
23:51:00 <Arbition> lack of research
23:51:10 <Tigger_> lack of research into what?
23:51:25 <Arbition> how other children have been raised in the past
23:52:00 <Arbition> even the very recent past
23:52:15 <Arbition> Just asking other parents what they did
23:52:24 <Arbition> rather than going "Don't you tell me how to raise my children"
23:52:57 <Tigger_> the Simpsons recently satirised helicopter parenting, when Bart and Lisa went to the park unsupervised, so Marge was arrested
23:53:24 <Arbition> lol its easy to forget they are 8 and 10 respectively
23:53:41 <Arbition> err whoop
23:53:47 <Arbition> s, that was reversed
23:54:32 <Tigger_> in contrast the Famous Five books (written in the 1940s) have the kids go off on their own for weeks at a time, and it is unremarkable
23:57:31 <Tigger_> I did come across a study that modern upper middle class kids are unimaginative, as they have no time to themselves, they are always being shuttled off to one activity or another
23:58:06 <Arbition> interesting
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