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00:00:55 <Warren1984> http://www.news.com.au/finance/work/leaders/nadia-savchenko-says-she-will-consider-running-for-president-of-ukraine-after-being-released-from-russian-prison/news-story/18e7f3c1f08c620adaab5b3ddae857b8
00:01:18 <Warren1984> I just don't see why Lish and I have to clase
00:01:20 <Warren1984> clash
00:01:38 <Warren1984> it's better we put one another on ignore permanently
00:11:23 Join: Lordzim ([email protected]) to #politicaldebate
00:11:29 <Lordzim> supreme chancellor trump
00:11:45 <Tigger_> In Heard's court filing, she claims that during the "entirety of our relationship, Johnny has been verbally and physically abusive to me. I endured excessive emotional, verbal and physical abuse from Johnny, which has included angry, hostile, humiliating and threatening assaults to me whenever I questioned his authority or disagreed with him."
00:11:45 <Tigger_> Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/celebrity/johnny-depp-abused-amber-heard-for-entirety-of-relationship-court-told-20160528-gp646o.html#ixzz4AKwpmZgN
00:11:45 <Tigger_> Follow us: @smh on Twitter | sydneymorningherald on Facebook
00:13:33 <doctor> i bet its the other way around
00:15:43 <Tigger_> perhaps it should be law that whatever the female says in family court, no matter how outlandish and easily disproven, must be taken as truth
00:16:52 <Tigger_> then men can never blind to the possibilities
00:17:00 <Warren1984> I guess I have to be careful of what I say
00:17:20 <Warren1984> because as my Psychiatrist says human's enjoy a wide variety of different sexual experiences
00:17:32 <Warren1984> so if Lish is appealing to some men
00:17:39 <Warren1984> then I guess I can't mock that
00:17:46 <Warren1984> I just think it's disgusting
00:18:44 <Warren1984> JHowards wife is like Lish
00:18:52 <Warren1984> I stay far away from her
00:19:04 <Warren1984> as she dislikes me just as much as I dislike her
00:20:35 <Tigger_> what do you dislike about JHoward's wife?
00:21:05 <doctor> Women are more involved with the relationship side of things. Depp would be too caught up in his career to really give a toss about Heard
00:21:25 <doctor> As a result she would become clingy, needy and possessive to the point of breaking point
00:22:20 <doctor> I met him once at warrens birthday and I got the impression he was a judgemental tosser
00:22:35 <doctor> He also was kept on a leash from his gf
00:23:42 <Tigger_> so he was pussy whipped
00:23:45 <Tigger_> Now in income and expense documents filed by Heard's team, it has shown that she makes roughly $120,000 (£83,000) per year from her business interests before receiving payment for any films she might appear in.
00:23:45 <Tigger_> The files also show that her basic monthly income is around £10,000 (£6,900) but she spends almost $44,000 (£30,000) a month on 'basic expenses'.
00:23:45 <Tigger_> Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3619346/Amber-Heard-s-dire-financial-situation-revealed-Court-documents-earns-10-000-month-spends-44-000-basic-expenses-clothes-vacations-eating-plus-300-dry-cleaning.html#ixzz4AKzhBzV9
00:23:45 <Tigger_> Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook
00:24:59 <Warren1984> controlling like Lish
00:25:36 <Tigger_> perhaps as one of the rare pretty lesbians she realised that you can't marry a lesbian for money, need a man for that
00:25:41 <Warren1984> you summed him up right doctor
00:25:55 <Tigger_> what was jhoward judgemental about?
00:26:10 <Warren1984> he is judgemental about a lot of things
00:26:19 <Warren1984> he doesn't accept people for who they are
00:27:57 <Tigger_> what issues does he judge?
00:28:52 <doctor> I got the impression intuitively from his body language
00:29:01 <doctor> He seemed to have not liked me being there
00:29:32 <Tigger_> saw you as a threat
00:29:53 <doctor> lol, he's too cucked to be a threat to anyone
00:30:04 <doctor> his gf pulls the strings
00:31:52 <Tigger_> that is a living hell
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00:50:19 Join: Tim-Sim ([email protected]) to #politicaldebate
00:53:01 <Tigger_> The parents who left their young son in bear-infested woods as a punishment have admitted doing 'an unforgivable thing' as the search for him entered a fifth day.
00:53:01 <Tigger_> Japan's military today joined hundreds of police and volunteers in the hunt for seven-year-old Yamato Tanooka who was abandoned in dense forest on Saturday afternoon.
00:53:02 <Tigger_> Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3619619/We-unforgivable-thing-child-Parents-left-son-7-bear-infested-woods-punishment-break-silence-Japan-s-military-joins-search.html#ixzz4AL7EW4vC
00:53:02 <Tigger_> Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook
00:53:17 <Tigger_> I didn't realise that bears were very common in Japan
00:53:20 <Tigger_> hi Tim-Sim
00:54:29 <Tim-Sim> hi Tigger_
00:54:38 <IvanTheBastard> Japs are fkn wierd cunts but you gotta hand it to them, thats a badass punishment
00:54:48 <IvanTheBastard> threatening to leave your kid in a child infested woods then actually doing it
00:54:55 <Tigger_> it's in Hokkaido, I guess if you're going to find bears in Japan, that's where to look
00:55:06 Join: GreekSnake ([email protected]) to #politicaldebate
00:55:11 <Tigger_> hi GreekSnake
00:55:44 <Warren1984> Tigger_'s favourite song -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrY39ooSKBY
00:55:48 <BlackDevil> Youtube: Lady GaGa - Alejandro (Dec 4, 2009) Length: 4:34 - Category: People & Blogs - 2,793,800 views views - 6,262 likes (96.6%), dislikes (3.4%)
00:56:08 Quit: Lordzim ([email protected]) Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client
00:56:11 <IvanTheBastard> i cant imagine that being anybody's favorite song, its terrible :|
00:56:14 <Tigger_> I do love that song
00:56:28 <IvanTheBastard> you jest
00:57:14 <GreekSnake> hey Tigger_
00:57:27 <GreekSnake> Allay-allay-hundrow
00:57:28 <GreekSnake> lol
00:57:33 <Warren1984> hey GreekSnake
00:57:40 <GreekSnake> hey Wazza
00:57:46 <IvanTheBastard> hey greek!
00:57:52 <GreekSnake> zdravo Ivane
00:58:09 <xm> GreekSnake: i saw my first Milo video and im won over
00:58:09 <IvanTheBastard> wats up man? long time no speak
00:58:10 <Warren1984> serpiente griego
00:58:14 <Tigger_> The Fame album that has Alejandro on it is Lady Gaga's best work
00:58:20 <GreekSnake> yes, that's true too
00:58:21 <xm> it was the one of him being carried by half a dozen men in a lecture theatre
00:58:30 <GreekSnake> but her faux European accent is a bit annoying
00:58:42 <GreekSnake> haha, that's the only video of Milo's you have to watch really
00:58:54 <xm> he actually seems like a nice guy though
00:58:58 <Tigger_> Born This Way was a bit bloated
00:59:04 <GreekSnake> he is
00:59:14 <xm> he doesnt seem to have any vitriolic hatred towards the left
00:59:15 <GreekSnake> did you see the triggered feminist who was shouted out of his latest lecture?
00:59:21 <xm> no
00:59:31 <GreekSnake> Paul J. Watson posted a video today
00:59:33 <GreekSnake> very hilarity
00:59:35 <Tigger_> the return of Triggly Puff?
00:59:40 <xm> i was PJW videos quite regularly
00:59:41 <GreekSnake> yes, the Latina version
00:59:42 <xm> but havent seen that
00:59:50 <GreekSnake> damn you, Warren1984
00:59:51 <xm> watch*
00:59:54 <GreekSnake> you've got me listening to vintage Gaga
00:59:59 <Tim-Sim> GreekSnake: do you have a link?
01:00:44 <GreekSnake> https://www.facebook.com/paul.j.watson.71/videos/10154225585941171/
01:00:49 <IvanTheBastard> if i was met with a wild triggly puff it would take a great deal of self control to not deck it
01:01:56 <Tigger_> hear that primal scream, so triggered
01:01:58 <IvanTheBastard> they are such destable looking and sounding creatures
01:02:04 <GreekSnake> I did feel a bit guilty about laughing at this particular one, she obviously needs to be sectioned with xm
01:03:09 <IvanTheBastard> wow
01:03:13 <IvanTheBastard> another fucking animal
01:03:16 <IvanTheBastard> whats wrong with these people?
01:03:29 <GreekSnake> my bf said she should be dropped off in Mosul
01:03:34 <GreekSnake> she'd be sorted out pretty quickly
01:03:56 <GreekSnake> I guess that's the great injustice of our times
01:04:42 <GreekSnake> genuinely innocent girls like the Yazidis get raped and tortured by the jihadists, while privileged feminazi cunts in the West get away with tantrums like this
01:05:06 <Tigger_> they weren't privileged with looks
01:05:34 <IvanTheBastard> yeah agree
01:06:21 <Tigger_> I would've liked to have seen more of her tantrum
01:06:36 <Tigger_> what did Milo say that broke her?
01:06:43 <Tim-Sim> GreekSnake: far out, what a fucking loony
01:07:21 <Tim-Sim> curious to see what it was about
01:07:48 <GreekSnake> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5NLLy76TKU
01:07:53 <BlackDevil> Youtube: EPIC FAIL: A Social Justice Warriors fall (Jun 1, 2016) Length: 3:40 - Category: News & Politics - 4,048 views views - likes (97.7%), 13 dislikes (2.3%)
01:07:53 <GreekSnake> PJW posted this too
01:09:28 <Tigger_> ah, the feminist ploy of pushing against someone while screaming "stop touching me!"
01:09:35 <GreekSnake> I love how Milo has single-handedly done more to combat homophobia than any left-wing LGBTIQ lobby
01:09:47 <GreekSnake> the alt-right worship him as a goddess now
01:11:39 <GreekSnake> lol, the Jewboy got triggered when the Milo fans said he looked like a Nazi
01:12:06 <Tigger_> also, check out the topic
01:13:42 <GreekSnake> so it's basically a sneaky ploy by Milo to attract all the hot straight cock from the science and engineering faculties
01:14:10 <GreekSnake> homo jihad, one conversion at a time
01:14:27 <Tigger_> so the SJW plot was to just stand in the doorway to try and stop people getting in
01:15:30 <GreekSnake> I believe it's called cruisin' for a bruisin'
01:16:48 <Tigger_> it'd be good to have a claw hammer and dig in to their face and rip layers of skin off
01:17:39 <GreekSnake> Damien Steenson SJWs have an illness, they have been mentally enfeebled to the point of uncontrollable hysteria when a different opinion is voiced. The degree of mind control to which they have been programmed is incredible. It truly is the beginning of a zombie apopcalypse.
01:18:59 <IvanTheBastard> so true, so true.
01:19:00 <Tigger_> long version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niqrrmev4mA
01:19:04 <BlackDevil> Youtube: Lady Gaga - Alejandro (Jun 8, 2010) Length: 8:43 - Category: Music - 264,174,452 views views - 664,526 likes (84.6%), 120,512 dislikes (15.4%)
01:19:27 <IvanTheBastard> we really dont encourage critical thought anymore do we
01:19:50 <Tim-Sim> no, hence religion making a comeback
01:20:00 <Tigger_> they are very fragile though, once any SJW is exposed on youtube, they are rarely ever seen again
01:20:13 <Tigger_> such as we've never seen Big Red again
01:20:20 <Tim-Sim> and they seem so entitled
01:20:25 <Tigger_> I doubt if we'll see AIDS Skrillex again either
01:20:37 <IvanTheBastard> lol what about carl the cuck?
01:21:03 <Tigger_> actually I did see Carl the Cuck in another video, but I think it might've been an older one that people dug up
01:21:09 <Tim-Sim> they need to grow a skin, harden up etc.
01:21:31 <Tim-Sim> who is Carl the Cuck?
01:21:57 <IvanTheBastard> what they need is a little pride in western civilisation, a little self respect regarding their own culture and who they are, and get rid of their victim complex
01:21:57 <Tigger_> a stroll down memory lane: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvYyGTmcP80
01:22:01 <BlackDevil> Youtube: mras and feminists arguing at u of t mra event (Apr 5, 2013) Length: 12:17 - Category: News & Politics - 1,241,505 views views - 3,529 likes (21.5%), 12,862 dislikes (78.5%)
01:22:32 <GreekSnake> who was the long-haired white freak who accused the hot Channing Tatum lookalike of being a "fucking white male"?
01:23:08 <Tigger_> http://i2.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/facebook/000/020/057/carlcuck.jpg
01:23:22 <Tigger_> GreekSnake, that was AIDS Skrillex
01:23:37 <IvanTheBastard> hahah love that one too
01:23:43 <IvanTheBastard> do you think that they know they are infamous on the internet?
01:23:48 <IvanTheBastard> they'd have to, right?
01:23:51 <Tim-Sim> lol Tigger_ that guy was in one of the anti Trump vids
01:24:07 <Tigger_> they do, which is why you never hear of them again, they vanish in shame
01:24:20 <IvanTheBastard> notice most of those far left beta's are weasaly small little dogs
01:24:29 <IvanTheBastard> look like little rats
01:25:04 <IvanTheBastard> there is no possible way they are bettering our civlization at all
01:25:09 <Tigger_> I noticed that they mostly seem to be prematurely balding, and I wasn't sure if it was just me seeing it, but others have pointed it out too
01:26:10 <GreekSnake> seriously though, the white bros at the Milo events fucking love all the tension
01:26:36 <GreekSnake> they can't believe that someone actually has the balls to say what they all think out loud
01:26:51 <Tigger_> the SJWs and chimpouts are part of the show
01:26:57 <GreekSnake> heh, yes
01:27:33 <GreekSnake> that was AIDS Skrillex? I remember someone posting a pic of a more freaky-looking guy
01:27:37 <GreekSnake> maybe the original Skrillex?
01:27:52 <GreekSnake> ah, yes
01:27:53 <Tigger_> there is only one AIDS Skrillex
01:27:53 <GreekSnake> just Googled it
01:28:09 <GreekSnake> http://cdn-assets.tc-helicon.com/media/2226/skrillex-main-image.png?width=2000&height=2000
01:28:13 <GreekSnake> I thought this was AIDS Skrillex
01:28:18 <GreekSnake> since he actually does look poz
01:28:32 <GreekSnake> but this is just Skrillex
01:28:53 <Tigger_> AIDS Skrillex before he was famous, one of the funniest SJW exposes ever: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKFpAHY4K5g
01:28:53 <IvanTheBastard> haha the AIDS Skrillex bore a striking resemblence
01:28:57 <BlackDevil> Youtube: Strangers Now Ben Interview-YouTube (Apr 23, 2012) Length: 2:10 - Category: Film & Animation - 8,627 views views - 23 likes (4.5%), 485 dislikes (95.5%)
01:29:17 <GreekSnake> haha
01:29:21 <GreekSnake> you're a fucking white male!
01:29:23 <GreekSnake> is he a Jew?
01:29:29 <Tigger_> it's real, but it seems like the cleverest satire ever
01:29:45 <GreekSnake> Jews are usually the only whites who don't identify as white
01:30:34 <GreekSnake> http://www.infostormer.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/aids-skrillex.png
01:30:43 <Tigger_> his name is Ben Teter, so I assume not Jewish
01:31:01 <Tigger_> his mother is in that video too
01:31:15 <GreekSnake> Teter looks like a suitably Yiddo-corrupted German name
01:31:48 <Warren1984> GreekSnake do you see the material world as meaningless
01:32:16 <GreekSnake> no
01:32:24 <GreekSnake> the material world is the only world that exists
01:32:27 <Tigger_> he's just a typical single-mother raised catastrophe
01:32:36 <GreekSnake> therefore, it is the only world that can have meaning of any kind
01:32:48 <Tigger_> how very unPlatonic of you
01:32:53 <Warren1984> but I don't get meaning from material possessions
01:33:13 <GreekSnake> I'm not a Platonist
01:33:26 <IvanTheBastard> I used to think that way Greek, but i have heard a ghost or poltergiest and felt its presence
01:33:37 <IvanTheBastard> however the caveat is that i was high as fuck
01:33:41 <GreekSnake> LOL
01:33:43 <GreekSnake> I was just about to say
01:33:48 <GreekSnake> were you stoned off your titties?
01:33:51 <IvanTheBastard> yes
01:33:55 <IvanTheBastard> but it was real man
01:33:57 <GreekSnake> well there you go
01:33:58 <Warren1984> Nihilism
01:33:59 <Warren1984> • the rejection of all religious and moral principles, often in the belief that life is meaningless
01:34:00 <IvanTheBastard> i have never halucinated
01:34:01 <Warren1984> meaningless (unproductive)
01:34:01 <Warren1984> • having no purpose or reason
01:34:09 <GreekSnake> it was a cannabinoid-induced hallucination
01:34:18 <Tigger_> inadmissible evidence
01:34:28 <IvanTheBastard> i know, it wouldnt hold up in a court of law
01:34:41 <GreekSnake> marijuana is well-known for inducing psychosis in previously asymptomatic individuals
01:34:59 <IvanTheBastard> its never happened before or after
01:35:06 <IvanTheBastard> just at this one place
01:35:11 <Tigger_> I have never seen a ghost, but I know they're real
01:35:12 <GreekSnake> probably a bigger dose than usual
01:35:22 <Warren1984> GreekSnake what if someone just married you for money
01:35:23 <IvanTheBastard> so my only other piece of corroborating evidence
01:35:27 <GreekSnake> I have never seen, heard or "felt" any supernatural being whatsoever
01:35:44 <IvanTheBastard> when i asked my friend about it the next day over a smoke, he said 'hey thats funny, a couple of other people have said that to me before'
01:35:51 <GreekSnake> I can be strangely prescient, though
01:36:00 <GreekSnake> like I'll often get a gut feeling that something will happen
01:36:02 <GreekSnake> and then it does
01:36:40 <Warren1984> GreekSnake what about feelings
01:36:48 <Tigger_> on a somewhat related note, Nimbin has one of the highest incidence of UFO sightings in Australia
01:36:50 <Warren1984> feelings are abstrac
01:36:53 <Warren1984> abstract
01:37:00 <GreekSnake> yes, feelings matter
01:37:04 <GreekSnake> but only to humans
01:37:12 <GreekSnake> they're not objectively valid
01:37:19 <Tigger_> cats have feelings
01:37:22 <Warren1984> have a productive day
01:37:40 <GreekSnake> I was going to add "and cats"
01:37:41 <GreekSnake> lol
01:37:56 <Warren1984> to make your day not meaningless
01:37:59 <GreekSnake> not everyone gets cats, though
01:38:01 <Warren1984> you need to be productive
01:38:06 <IvanTheBastard> anyway, to this day i'm still not 100% convinced i wasnt halucinating, because its a probability, however im not 100% discounting that a powerful darth vader like precense was in my mates house
01:38:09 <GreekSnake> my bf is always asking me what our cat's body language means
01:38:17 <GreekSnake> it just seems so self-evident to me
01:38:22 <Tigger_> ivan, what was it that you saw?
01:38:45 <GreekSnake> Ivan, I'm 100% convinced that you were hallucinating
01:39:05 <GreekSnake> it was the drugs, brah
01:39:17 <Tigger_> I have noticed that introverted humans have a much greater ability to read cats, whereas extroverts always think cats are cold and evil
01:39:28 <GreekSnake> I'm sure I'd temporarily believe in all sorts of supernatural shit if you got me high on hallucinogens
01:39:49 <GreekSnake> how bizarre, I find it extremely easy to read cats
01:39:57 <GreekSnake> they're very predictable
01:40:02 <GreekSnake> it's dogs I feel uneasy around
01:40:12 <IvanTheBastard> well... i didnt actually see anything... there was about 5 ppl over and we all crashed at our mates house, i was the last one up and obviously high, heard someone walking around in the passage way, so when i went to the toilet ( in the passage way) i saw nobody in there, came back to where i was on the PC, heard the shuffling in the halway again. went and laid down in the living room,
01:40:12 <IvanTheBastard> heard whatever was shuffling in the hallway move into the area i was just in then move into the kitchen and start turning the taps and moving things around int he cupboard
01:40:43 <Tigger_> it works the other way too, such as celebrity atheist Jerry Coyne became an atheist when he was on LSD, and had a revelation that God didn't exist
01:40:59 <IvanTheBastard> couldnt see any shadows, couldnt hear any footsteps, just the sound of say a nylon jacket arms scraping against the torso as there is movement
01:41:17 <Tigger_> that's quite scary
01:41:22 <GreekSnake> I suppose psychotropic substance can induce mental clarity too
01:41:48 <IvanTheBastard> could hear the sound of the taps being spun in the kitchen but no water coming out... things sliding around in the cupboards
01:42:16 <Tigger_> and other people reported similar experiences?
01:42:19 <IvanTheBastard> seriously it freaked me the fuck out... yes its possible it was halucination but it did seem very real
01:42:36 <GreekSnake> that's what hallucinations are
01:42:55 <GreekSnake> you had a mild break with reality, that's all
01:42:56 <IvanTheBastard> well i confronted the group the next morning at breakfast and everyone sorta dismissed it, but my mate who lives there claimed a couple of other people over the years have said similar things
01:44:59 <Tigger_> I have wondered if people with weak egos (in the sense of lack of self-identity) are more prone to witnessing supernatural phenomena, usually children, but perhaps people on drugs
01:45:57 <IvanTheBastard> As far as ill say is it hasnt made me a believer or anything, i'm still agnostic, but i do like the idea that perhaps we've evolved to deal with the material threats to existance and reality, but perhaps there is more to our existance that perhaps the mind cant quite percieve unless its chemistry is changed from time to time
01:47:04 <IvanTheBastard> yeah Tigger_ i actually think there are people who are outright crazy and have no control over what is happening in their brain
01:47:28 <IvanTheBastard> of course people who abuse drugs are going to be exposed to that too
01:48:34 <GreekSnake> https://www.facebook.com/Channel4News/videos/10153787689531939/
01:48:46 <GreekSnake> Moby is another triggler
01:50:04 <Tigger_> religions tend to have two rather different approaches to the ego, the major religions mostly encourage high ego formation, and forbid activities that lead to weakening the ego. while tribal and mystery religions advocate the opposite in order to connect to their spirit world
01:50:35 <IvanTheBastard> lol Obama peace and security? ISIS on his watch? More drone murders then ever?
01:51:06 <Tigger_> Moby going to New Zealand? where Kim Dotcom can steal his music
01:51:27 <IvanTheBastard> i would be completley surprised if he has made anything in almost 20 years
01:51:47 <Tigger_> actually it's Moby that I always think of as having the classic modern leftist look
01:52:15 <Tigger_> the sort of guy who makes Jimmy Sommerville look tough
01:53:12 <Tim-Sim> fuck religion
01:53:20 <GreekSnake> lol
01:53:29 <GreekSnake> Jimmy Sommerville was tough
01:53:41 <GreekSnake> he suffered genuine oppression before running away to the city
01:54:34 <GreekSnake> if there's one thing I can't stand, it's privileged heteroleftist cunts who have never been denied anything in their lives
01:54:38 <IvanTheBastard> Tigger_ do you think the tribal religions were more about self discovery whereas the major (see monotheistic) are more about discovery through the doctrine / book?
01:56:41 <Tigger_> I see it as the tribal and mystery religions were seeking to personally witness spiritual entities, so much so that these entities were part of their everyday reality
01:57:15 <GreekSnake> http://attitude.co.uk/bbc-two-drama-versailles-to-include-gay-sex-cross-dressing-and-frontal-nudity-in-first-episode/
01:57:21 <GreekSnake> Patsy is excited about this
01:57:57 <Tigger_> the major religions usually perceive these entities to be malevolent imposters, and a cause for social collapse
01:58:37 <IvanTheBastard> interesting
01:58:42 <IvanTheBastard> anyway before i sign off
01:58:44 <IvanTheBastard> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayahuasca
01:58:59 <GreekSnake> LOL
01:59:02 <GreekSnake> so cliché
01:59:05 <IvanTheBastard> i dont do any drugs, but that is the only one ive thought about for a little while
01:59:15 <GreekSnake> you and every other hippy
01:59:18 <IvanTheBastard> a couple of people i know have been to south america and done it
01:59:28 <IvanTheBastard> and say its real good
01:59:35 <Tigger_> drugs aren't the only way to induce these hallucinatory visions, things like hyperventilating will do it too
02:00:21 <IvanTheBastard> Greek i wouldnt say I'm a hippy, i'm just interested to see if i have the same experience others do
02:01:22 <IvanTheBastard> Tigger_ i suppose there are degrees of self harm, like people who suffocate themselves to pass out and halucinate lol
02:01:45 <Tigger_> as for these drug induced visions, the easiest and most accurate way to determine their real value is what genuine insights do they produce? what do they come up with that compares to the greats of philosophy, theology, literature, etc?
02:01:59 <IvanTheBastard> i suppose i see putting a molecule into your body as being a little different, but it probably isnt a great deal different from poisoning yourself, so i suppose the jury isnt out on that one yet
02:02:12 <Tigger_> it just seems to be all "Man, I realised that there's only one race, the human race! So far out!"
02:02:49 <GreekSnake> http://www.dw.com/en/german-police-continue-search-for-sexual-attackers-at-darmstadt-festival/a-19296981
02:02:56 <GreekSnake> yes, only one race
02:02:57 <GreekSnake> lol
02:03:45 <IvanTheBastard> In my experience drugs have never changed my opinion on that, you need to be predisposed to those ideas
02:04:09 <IvanTheBastard> people who do that are probably more self hating than anything
02:04:19 <Tigger_> drug users claim all these deep mystical insights, but when you get them to articulate what they are, they're the most inane things you've ever heard
02:05:24 <IvanTheBastard> i suppose it depends on the person you're speaking to about it
02:05:41 <IvanTheBastard> if youre speaking to hippys or hood rats or drug abusers then i think the conversation is going to be pretty dull
02:05:44 <Tigger_> just go into #dissident to be enlightened by Austnet's expert in all religions
02:05:55 <IvanTheBastard> i actually dont associate with those types at all
02:07:45 <IvanTheBastard> many people on Austnet ( except our valuable bunch of course) seem to be reprobates of the lowest degree
02:08:14 <IvanTheBastard> i quite frankly wouldnt take anything they say seriously or rather inpart any value from their ramblings either way
02:08:43 <Tigger_> their words by themselves have no merit, but they as case studies have sociological merit
02:09:47 <IvanTheBastard> regarding that demographic, yeah
02:10:11 <IvanTheBastard> there are successful people who have done it and could probably articulate the high better
02:10:14 <Tim-Sim> Well it is mushroom season, you could go out and pick your own and find out first hand.\
02:10:17 <IvanTheBastard> or their experience
02:10:48 <IvanTheBastard> im not advocating drug use or mushrooms lol.
02:11:50 <IvanTheBastard> Ayahuasca i rate a little differently because the method to draw the DMT out is an ancient practise, associated with shamans to enter their spirit world. thats the only reason i find it interesting, i dont think you should abuse it or its for everyone. its just something that some people do, and some people say they have had a really good reflective experience from it
02:11:57 <Tigger_> one thing I've noticed is that like hipsters with their quinoa and other fad health foods, the proclaimed special drug with mystical insight is a moving target too, that it has to be fashionably out of reach of the common drug pig, at least for awhile, and when the common drug pig is doing it too, there's some other drug that is suddenly the deep mystical drug
02:12:16 <Tim-Sim> I would not use ayahuasca, it contains alkaloids that cause nausea. It is possible to get the pure DMT crystals. No nausea and a much more intense trip
02:12:40 <IvanTheBastard> Tigger_ people have known about DMT for ages and its still not the drug of choice
02:12:55 <IvanTheBastard> Tim-Sim, DMT crystals dont last as long as ayahausca
02:13:06 <IvanTheBastard> Ok night fellas i got an early start
02:13:08 <Tigger_> all drugs have been lying around for decades, then suddenly come into fashion, then out again
02:13:13 <Tigger_> night ivan
02:13:18 <Tim-Sim> DMT lasts longer if you mix it with a MAO inhibitor
02:14:26 <Tim-Sim> which is essentially what they do when they prepare ayahuasca
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02:23:15 <GreekSnake> http://hill.cm/kC1OJKn
02:23:31 <Tigger_> Shortly afterwards police arrived and arrested three youths in the group, aged 14 and 17. The stolen cell phone was then retrieved and returned to the victim.
02:23:31 <Tigger_> Police in Berlin tweeted that the three suspects were known to the police for prior incidents, adding that "two are of Turkish descent." The third suspect's origin is unknown.
02:23:34 <Tigger_> The "Carnival of Cultures" is a four-day festival that celebrates diversity in Berlin.
02:23:57 <Tigger_> so the girls were getting diversity, and getting it hard
02:30:33 <Tigger_> Outspoken politician Pauline Hanson has backtracked on her previous comments that Australia is 'swamped by Asians', saying that numerous members of her party are married to Asian women.
02:30:33 <Tigger_> Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3619435/Pauline-Hanson-tells-Kyle-Jackie-O-doesn-t-problem-people-Asia.html#ixzz4ALVlyC4J
02:30:33 <Tigger_> Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook
02:31:03 <GreekSnake> lol
02:31:07 <GreekSnake> sign of the times
02:31:23 <GreekSnake> but in reality we are more swamped by gooks than ever
02:31:39 <GreekSnake> http://www.euronews.com/2016/05/31/idomeni-before-and-after-photos/
02:32:17 <Tigger_> skip will be quite upset to hear her say that
02:32:26 <Tigger_> he's always been a Pauline fan
02:33:03 <GreekSnake> too many white beta males are married to gook women these days
02:33:08 <GreekSnake> Pauline can't afford to alienate them
02:33:28 <Tigger_> she should alienate them
02:33:47 <Tigger_> and say "only the very purest may join my party"
02:34:23 <GreekSnake> https://www.facebook.com/thingsrogerwatersdoesntknow/photos/a.788753631153379.1073741828.780377395324336/1322314831130587/?type=3&theater
02:35:22 <xm> https://www.dropbox.com/s/fy6p3ildpx3jd6t/one_lost_sheep.mp3?dl=0
02:35:33 <xm> my attempt at 80s brit rock, work in progress 1
02:36:02 <xm> still evolving, feedback?
02:36:52 <Tigger_> An audio error occurred
02:37:35 <Tigger_> direct download then
02:38:44 <Tigger_> too much of a jumble
02:39:16 <xm> explain?
02:39:37 <Tigger_> a lot of things, but nothing much to really focus your attention
02:40:24 <xm> but the sections are OK?
02:40:38 <xm> as in they might not transiton well but on their own they are OK
02:40:47 <xm> i wqas trying to leave space for vocal
02:40:57 <Tigger_> well these sorts of pop songs are very focused, like Close to Me
02:41:12 <xm> can you elaborate on focs
02:41:14 <xm> focus*
02:41:45 <Tim-Sim> timing on the guitar is too rigid, some of the intervals in the melody sound too large too
02:41:56 <Tigger_> I'm not very good at explaining, but it feels meandering
02:42:05 <xm> i see
02:42:26 <Tim-Sim> by the end of it, I quite enjoyed it
02:43:12 <xm> thanks
02:43:19 <Tigger_> I have a very simple test with pop songs, if I can accidentally overhear a bit of it on an AM radio three rooms away, over a lot of other noise, and it grabs my attention, it must be good
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02:44:53 <Tigger_> Robert Smith is one of the greatest geniuses in the history of pop music for doing that
02:45:04 <xm> i also bought the plugin tisk uses, and saw all the sounds he used
02:45:37 <xm> they were very familiar
02:46:13 <xm> im still happy with it, as it's a quick sketch over a few hours
02:46:33 <xm> ill have to study the actual genre tomorrow over youtube
02:46:39 <xm> i was doing all that off the top of my head
02:47:13 <xm> the song is really 2 mins, so it probably seemed meandering because of that
02:47:18 <xm> as i looped it slightly
02:47:49 <xm> did you enjoy the percussion tho?
02:47:52 <xm> i enjoyed the rolls
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02:55:42 <Tigger_> I have a theory about pop culture, that much of what is in it, that makes it work, is actually unconscious, unknown to the creator themselves, that they're picking up on moods and currents in the air at the time and channel it into what they're doing, such as a piece of music
02:56:16 <Tigger_> this makes it utterly impossible for someone to come along decades later and do the same sort of style, it always ends up being fake
02:56:23 <xm> related toyour disco music is dead for good idea?
02:56:26 <xm> lol
02:56:34 <xm> it's just fun though
02:56:39 <Tigger_> all pop culture is dead for good, once the moment has passed
02:56:43 <xm> it's a make-believe-band for me
02:57:02 <xm> im too vbored with most music out now
02:57:17 <xm> i havent written a house/trance/prog tune for some time now
02:57:22 <Tigger_> what tends to happen is that a parody of that pop-cultural work is created instead, it just doesn't gel
02:57:24 <xm> i have a few unfinished projects
02:58:34 <Tigger_> there's an analogy in high art too, with fakes, that there was a 19th century industry in creating fake paintings, which at the time even fooled experts, but with the passing of a few decades, these fakes suddenly became very easy to see as fake
02:59:36 <Tigger_> the forger unconsciously was channelling the motifs and moods of his era and putting them into the work, where they were similarly invisible to the experts of the day
03:05:30 <xm> this is quite interesting, most of the top students never achieved much success in their career, they peaked at 'software engineer' or 'senior software engineer'. none of them have gone beyond that to something else
03:05:36 <xm> they're all locked in technical roles
03:07:31 <xm> the most successful persn ive stalked is at google, and he was not in the top group
03:09:07 <xm> nite
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03:18:43 <Tigger_> Roger Waters seems to think he knows a lot about politics, and Israel specifically. But it doesn't appear as though he knows anything. His comments, activities, and concerts have been said to be bordering on, if not blatant acts of anti-Semitism. He either chooses to ignore the facts, or he chooses to promote hate.
03:18:43 <Tigger_> Let's help him learn some of the great things about Israel, and maybe he'll change his ways. He might even get a date with Scarlett Johansson!!!
03:18:44 <Tigger_> Help Roger learn!
03:20:56 <Tigger_> In June 2009 he spoke against the Israeli West Bank barrier[119] and later that year, pledged his support to the Gaza Freedom March. In 2011 he announced that he had joined the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) movement against Israel.[120] He has said he is disillusioned with UK foreign policy towards Israel.[121] In October 2010, after an animated B-52 bomber had been shown dropping symbols including the Star of David and dollar
03:20:56 <Tigger_> signs as part of The Wall Live tour, the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) criticised the imagery and claimed it was anti-Semitic.
03:21:49 <Tigger_> that's the new thing I've learned today, not that I've ever paid much attention to Pink Floyd
03:31:14 <GreekSnake> they've always been left-wing blowhards, haven't they?
03:32:35 <GreekSnake> https://www.facebook.com/lubenmag/videos/1121080994581379/
03:32:36 <GreekSnake> lol
03:32:58 <Tigger_> I don't know, but I assumed some sort of hippy doctrines
03:33:33 <Tigger_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSt62K70o0E
03:33:37 <BlackDevil> Youtube: Milo Yiannopoulos tells lesbian she doesn't exist (May 27, 2016) Length: 5:05 - Category: Nonprofits & Activism - 234,322 views views - 6,602 likes (90.7%), 678 dislikes (9.3%)
03:34:03 <GreekSnake> I actually haven't seen that video yet
03:34:05 <GreekSnake> I've been dreading it
03:35:04 <Tigger_> why?
03:36:19 <GreekSnake> it sounds like a vicious attack on homosexuality
03:36:44 <Tigger_> Milo agrees with my thesis that lesbianism was only invented circa 1920
03:37:58 <Tigger_> though he didn't put a date on it like I did
03:38:09 <GreekSnake> ah
03:38:17 <GreekSnake> so it's only lesbianism that is fake, not faggotry
03:38:21 <GreekSnake> makes sense
03:38:40 <GreekSnake> who would innately eschew cock?
03:38:49 <Tigger_> he says the money spent on lesbian health should instead be spent on pride floats for gay men
03:38:55 <GreekSnake> LOL
03:38:59 <GreekSnake> or HIV meds
03:39:18 <GreekSnake> OK, you've convinced me
03:39:20 <GreekSnake> I shall watch itnow
03:39:41 <GreekSnake> "mostly dyke"
03:39:44 <GreekSnake> in other words, a fake
03:40:50 <Tigger_> her only option
03:42:28 <GreekSnake> it's an interesting theory, though
03:42:38 <GreekSnake> if true, it would mean that only male homosexuality is entirely natural
03:42:44 <Tigger_> lesbian behaviour is real though, such as it is commonly observed women are lesbians until university ends, then become straight. I've never heard of a male equivalent
03:42:59 <GreekSnake> since sex with women is inherently repugnant
03:43:11 <GreekSnake> albeit necessary for the propagation of the species
03:43:45 <GreekSnake> yes, lesbianism is far more politicized
03:44:15 <GreekSnake> lesbians are like vegans, who sacrifice eating meat for what they see as a good cause
03:45:52 <Tigger_> "feminism is the theory, lesbianism is the practice"
03:49:13 <Tigger_> I believe there are four types of lesbians: 1. too fat and ugly to get a man, 2. too ornery to get a man, 3. for the younger ones, too riddled with anxiety to deal with males (many girls start with girly practice boyfriends), and 4. the middle aged woman who used to be attractive, but as priced herself out of the male market, and won't lower her price
03:49:34 <Tigger_> *has priced
03:50:02 <GreekSnake> I have yet to meet a lesbian who hasn't slept with a man at some point
03:50:13 <Tigger_> you've never met a gold star lesbian?
03:50:18 <GreekSnake> no, actually
03:50:29 <GreekSnake> whereas I've only met a handful of queens who have slept with women
03:50:44 <Tigger_> can't say I have either, but I'm sure a few of the fatter, uglier, ornery ones are true gold stars
03:50:45 <GreekSnake> most of which ended up as my boyfriends, lol
03:50:49 <GreekSnake> me and my str8 cock fetish
03:51:19 <GreekSnake> TrigglyPuff is anarchoqueer, does that count?
03:51:38 <Tigger_> I'm sure she's gold star
03:52:44 <Tigger_> I have a friend who turns girls into lesbians, they want nothing to do with males after being with him
03:56:16 <Tigger_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvkMmsd3Vzc
03:56:20 <BlackDevil> Youtube: All Hail Queen Milo! - Triumphant Entry to UCSB (May 27, 2016) Length: 2:13 - Category: Nonprofits & Activism - 96,564 views views - 4,954 likes (99%), 51 dislikes (1%)
03:58:46 <Tigger_> one day Milo is going to track down Liberace's long mink sequinned coat, and make his entrance in that
03:59:19 <GreekSnake> America, fuck yeah!
03:59:21 <GreekSnake> heh
04:00:40 <Tigger_> oh and have the sequin encrusted Rolls Royce with chauffer to drive him out on stage
04:00:55 <GreekSnake> that chubby cub in the front is quite cute actually
04:03:12 <GreekSnake> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-3619460/Mother-drank-20-cans-Red-Bull-DAY-damaged-liver-badly-doctors-thought-alcoholic.html?ito=social-facebook
04:05:09 <Tigger_> https://youtu.be/iC7YsLNKaKA?t=1125
04:05:13 <BlackDevil> Youtube: TRIGGERED #DEPAUL PROTESTERS GO APESHIT AT MILO YIANNOPOULOS TALK (May 25, 2016) Length: 38:11 - Category: News & Politics - 55,542 views views - 957 likes (94.6%), 55 dislikes (5.4%)
04:05:55 <Tigger_> I've only had one energy drink before, it was on sale for 99 cents
04:06:54 <GreekSnake> http://dailym.ai/1RM3xsN
04:07:07 <Tigger_> the jewish looking fellow says that drug use is higher amongst blacks, blood tests prove him right
04:08:55 <Tigger_> show that article to your bf, demand your rights as a rentboy
04:11:03 <GreekSnake> heh
04:11:07 <GreekSnake> we look after each other
04:11:35 <GreekSnake> actually, my bf would demand sex regardless
04:12:43 <Tigger_> Mr Oliver, who is bisexual, said....
04:12:47 <Tigger_> sure you are
04:14:25 <GreekSnake> heh
04:14:58 <GreekSnake> http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/06/01/09/34CF5C4F00000578-0-image-a-24_1464769794586.jpg
04:15:07 <GreekSnake> reminds me of that "Boy is a Bottom" video
04:15:17 <GreekSnake> "Versatile? Yeah, OK. Girl, you know you're super gay!"
04:17:48 <GreekSnake> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0kqobQRcUo
04:17:51 <BlackDevil> Youtube: Boy Is A Bottom (Jan 28, 2013) Length: - Category: Comedy - 20,699,756 views views - 126,386 likes (93.7%), 8,498 dislikes (6.3%)
04:22:54 <Tigger_> prom
04:23:07 <Tigger_> well now it's time to deep fry my falafel balls
04:23:24 <Tigger_> the Breville food processor did a magnificent job on the mix
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04:24:45 <GreekSnake> such a hippy
04:29:18 <GreekSnake> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3620037/Flattened-Terrifying-20st-ISIS-executioner-dubbed-Bulldozer-captured-Syrian-army-dumped-half-naked-truck.html?ito=social-facebook
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11:06:39 <Warren1984> hi all
11:24:54 <Warren1984> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Nrv5teMc9Y
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11:46:17 <Warren1984> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Io0fBr1XBUA
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13:31:11 <Tigger_> hi Warren1984
13:31:51 <Warren1984> hey Tigger_
13:32:01 <Warren1984> Tigger_ how do you learn from past experiences?
13:32:18 <Warren1984> and prevent yourself from making the same mistakes twice?
13:32:57 <Tigger_> I made falafel yesterday, the mistake I made is not quite enough onion
13:33:02 <Tigger_> next time I'll have more onion
13:36:35 <Tigger_> they were still very nice though
13:38:22 <Tigger_> here they are, from the mix in the Breville food processor, to deep fried: http://imgur.com/a/soHL7
13:38:54 <Warren1984> what are they made of?
13:39:51 <Tigger_> they're made out of chickpeas, coriander leaves, parsley leaves, onion, and a few spices
13:40:41 <Tigger_> that blade is extremely sharp too, have to be careful
14:29:20 <Warren1984> does it cut you when you touch it straight away?
14:29:44 <Warren1984> Tigger_ do you think I am a legit D$P client
14:29:59 <Warren1984> it's hurtful when people don't believe me
14:30:09 <Tigger_> yes, I think you're legitimate
14:38:53 <Tigger_> if anyone says you're not, then tell them that they must now give you a job
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15:51:47 <Warren1984> they will just say you have to look like everyone else
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16:44:46 <Marttin> morning
16:44:51 Mode: (by ChanOP) +o Marttin
16:45:09 <Marttin> lol @ Im with her
16:46:27 <Marttin> Im just back from the post office, to ask for remote vote
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18:07:43 <Tigger_> hi Lish, Marttin
18:14:05 <Warren1984> hey Lish
18:14:26 <Warren1984> Tigger_ you need to transcribe my voice recordings
18:14:52 <Warren1984> Lish darling
18:15:02 <Warren1984> lets not fight
18:15:13 <Warren1984> it's unnessary
18:15:16 <Tigger_> Warren1984, good, no fighting
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18:17:12 <Warren1984> Tigger_ I am going to try and get a part time job at McDonalds
18:17:30 <Warren1984> my friend who has cerabal palasy works there
18:17:43 <Tigger_> I thought you were getting one at KFC?
18:17:44 <Warren1984> apparently McDonald's is good for those with disabilities
18:17:55 <Warren1984> I applied by they didn't follow up
18:18:11 <Warren1984> it had a message saying don't send back to this message
18:18:19 <Warren1984> as in the email
18:19:21 <Tigger_> that's because it's one of those email accounts that only issues emails, nobody reads emails to that account
18:19:31 <cita> Warren1984: Have you talked to the CRS... there is a fair employers out there who are keen to give opportunities to people with disabilities.
18:19:34 <Warren1984> Tigger_ do you want to be employed as my transcription man?
18:19:38 <cita> * fair amount
18:19:48 <Tigger_> Warren1984, I'm too expensive
18:20:07 <Warren1984> you can do it for free Tigger_
18:20:18 <Tigger_> no I don't do it for free
18:20:21 <Warren1984> I only like free things
18:20:35 <Tigger_> $200 an hour is my rate
18:20:44 <Warren1984> how am I ment to be more successful than Lish then?
18:22:08 <cita> Warren1984: I would offer to help, but my contract says I'm not allowed to help without getting approval from my GM.
18:22:22 <cita> Warren1984: I'm too lazy to get approval, so being lazy seems like an easier option.
18:22:28 <Tigger_> cita, what do you do?
18:23:17 <cita> Tigger_: Administering laws, financial stuff, researching stuff etc
18:23:30 <cita> Tigger_: What do you like to get up to?
18:23:58 <Warren1984> thanks cita
18:24:17 <Tigger_> cita, are you involved in disability stuff?
18:24:38 <cita> Tigger_: Economic policy
18:24:48 <Tigger_> ok, you seemed to know a bit about it
18:25:17 <cita> Tigger_: Yeah, most of work isn't to do with that, but it comes up time-to-time
18:25:36 <Tigger_> so what is the CRS?
18:26:27 <cita> It is the Commonwealth Rehabilitation Service. It used to be a portfolio agency of the Department of Human Services, but has recently underwent privatisation.
18:26:59 <cita> They provide support services to help people with a disability gain work. This might include counselling, workshops, mock interviews, training and whatever.
18:27:18 <Tigger_> I see, so they don't directly place people in jobs?
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18:29:07 <cita> No, they don't directly employ people
18:29:24 <Warren1984> Tigger_ can you get me a large bucket of hot water and put some dettol in it
18:29:47 <Tigger_> I was meaning if they had a placement service to put people in jobs with different companies
18:30:11 <Tigger_> most of these services really just exist to serve themselves
18:30:20 <Warren1984> Tigger_ can you get me a large bucket of hot water and put some dettol in it
18:30:29 <Tigger_> I'll mail it to Perth
18:30:33 <cita> Tigger_: Not usually, but there can be wage subsidies and different programmes
18:30:41 <Tigger_> the water might be cold by then
18:32:39 <cita> There are direct work experience programmes, but they are pretty average and have a bad reputation. Everyone can access them if they are under the SSA... work for the dole, green army etc.
18:33:03 <Marttin> green army sounds good, what it is about
18:33:04 <Warren1984> Tigger_ do you wash clip clop with some dettol?
18:33:10 <Warren1984> to give him a nice smell?
18:33:31 <cita> Tigger_: More often than not, people with disabilities get exemptions from these programmes to focus on other areas like counselling and training.
18:34:09 <cita> Marttin: It is a scheme where people go out with NGOs like conservation volunteers and do environmental work.
18:34:36 <cita> Marttin: Yeah, it has a better reputation than Work for the Dole. there is not a lot of jobs in those industries though.
18:36:19 <Lish> hey Tigger_
18:36:20 <Marttin> nice
18:36:22 <Lish> delayed response lol
18:36:24 <Lish> whats cracking
18:43:30 <Tigger_> Lish, here is the falafel I made: http://imgur.com/a/soHL7
18:44:58 <Lish> looks pretty good
18:45:38 <Tigger_> tastes good too
18:47:04 <Warren1984> Tigger_ how do I keep your nick colour if you change nicks?
18:47:18 <Warren1984> I added this [email protected]
18:47:24 <Tigger_> I don't know
18:47:25 <Warren1984> but it didn't work
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18:48:16 <Warren1984> hey doctor
18:49:15 <doctor> hey warren
18:50:36 <Lish> Tigger_ what do you eat them with
18:50:54 <Tigger_> I make a full falafel roll
18:51:03 <Tigger_> I'm eating one right now
18:51:35 <Lish> what else do you put on the roll?
18:52:09 <Tigger_> lettuce, tomato, onion, hommus (also made by me), pepper, and tomato sauce
18:52:34 <Lish> you should def try a tatziki or garlic sauce as the moist element to replace tomato sauce
18:52:40 <Tigger_> why?
18:53:09 <Lish> its really good
18:53:12 <Lish> i love tomato sauce
18:53:21 <Lish> but that creamy kind of sauce is perfect for those types of things
18:53:21 <Tigger_> it may be, but I like tomato sauce
18:53:27 <Lish> and goes excellently with hommus
18:53:32 <Lish> its a natural pair for hommus
18:53:36 <Lish> anyway give it a try one day
18:53:49 <Tigger_> one day
18:54:03 <Lish> i probably wouldnt have tomato sauce with falafel
18:54:09 <Lish> i dont have it with chicken either
18:54:17 <Tigger_> it's yummy
18:54:21 <Lish> do you put spices in the falafel?
18:54:54 <Tigger_> yes, cumin, coriander powder, black pepper
18:55:05 <Tigger_> next time I'll add some sesame
18:55:47 <Lish> yeah i cant have sauce with spices
18:55:51 <Lish> it doesnt taste right
18:56:12 <Tigger_> I didn't drown it in tomato sauce
18:57:16 <Lish> yeah its just my personal preference
18:57:45 <Lish> i dont think sauce and spices taste good
18:57:56 <Lish> i want something sweet
18:57:57 <Lish> hmm
18:58:52 <Tigger_> anyway, the financial breakdown: it cost $8 to make about $24 worth of falafel, if I'd bought them at the supermarket
18:59:03 <Lish> good value
18:59:05 <Lish> can u freeze them?
19:00:43 <Tigger_> hmmm, you can
19:00:55 <Tigger_> might not be as nice though
19:01:06 <Tigger_> but I'd guess they'd last the usual three months in the freezer
19:01:20 <Lish> how long do they last fresh?
19:01:57 <Tigger_> in this weather, probably a week
19:02:04 <Lish> not too bad
19:02:08 <Lish> will u eat them all
19:02:11 <Tigger_> yep
19:02:16 <Lish> cool
19:02:23 <Lish> i dont think ive had a falafel
19:02:27 <Lish> or i might have by accident
19:02:37 <Tigger_> you could get one from menulog right now
19:03:13 <Lish> nah
19:03:40 <Lish> maybe at this vego thing on the weekend
19:03:57 <Tigger_> I'd be surprised if they didn't have them
19:04:03 <Lish> im sure they will
19:05:55 <Tigger_> foodcourts at shopping centres always have a kebab place where they do falafels, but they're never very nice
19:06:34 <Lish> yeah they do
19:06:37 <Lish> i always get a kebab
19:06:40 <Lish> because they are amazing
19:07:09 <Tigger_> they'd be a lot more amazing if you got one at a leb restaurant
19:07:26 <Lish> yeah
19:07:36 <Lish> im going to a turkish place soon and a greek place
19:07:40 <Lish> they might have them
19:07:47 <doctor> marry a leb prince and free falafels for ever
19:08:19 <Lish> maybe Warren1984 should marry a leb prince
19:08:32 <Warren1984> I am better looking than Lish
19:08:37 <Lish> lol
19:08:53 <Lish> so much confidence Warren1984
19:13:26 <Tigger_> the maths: if I save $16 per batch of falafels, and the food processor cost me $360, I have to make 22.5 batches of falafel and then I will have broken even
19:14:20 <Lish> thats a lot of falafel
19:15:21 <Tigger_> yes
19:16:02 <Tigger_> I'd better get busy
19:18:07 <Lish> yeah for sure
19:30:08 <Lish> watching a presentation on blockchain
19:32:26 Quit: cita ([email protected]) Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…
19:33:35 <Tigger_> are you getting into bitcoin?
19:33:50 <Lish> no
19:34:02 <Lish> they think block chain will be a distruptor to financial markets
19:34:10 <Warren1984> nuh
19:34:13 <Arbition> Is that the new financial system's implementation of it for accounting ro something?
19:34:20 <Warren1984> don't know what is
19:34:23 <Arbition> or a general overview of the blockchain
19:35:01 <Arbition> There's that new direct democracy party that think's they can use the block chain to verify votes on individual issues
19:35:08 <Lish> yeah
19:35:15 <Lish> like a public ledger
19:35:25 <Lish> you wouldnt need intermediaries to manage transferring funds
19:35:27 <Lish> http://www.forbes.com/sites/joeharpaz/2016/05/31/will-blockchain-become-the-internet-of-finance/#2c55839c2712
19:36:00 <Tigger_> the blockchain can become very slow though, as it reaches its design limits
19:36:15 <Lish> http://www.itnews.com.au/news/nab-westpac-cba-trial-blockchain-based-bond-trading-416412
19:36:18 <Arbition> the bitcoin blockchain is being held down
19:36:24 <Lish> yeah i think its a far way off
19:36:32 <Lish> but big banks are investing a lot to understand it
19:36:32 <Arbition> proposals to increase block size beyond 1MB have been stymied
19:36:36 <Lish> and its potential impacts
19:36:40 <Lish> to be in front of it at least
19:36:49 <Tigger_> those two big Chinese mining pools refuse to entertain the idea of expanding the block size
19:37:12 <Arbition> indeed
19:37:16 <Arbition> that's politics though
19:37:35 <Arbition> the design can be amended, so I don't know if it will be neccessarily that dire
19:37:50 <Arbition> surely VISA and co's networks are already pretty damn big
19:37:59 <Arbition> the main concern is probably the storage of the blockchain history
19:38:14 <Lish> yuh
19:38:20 <Lish> its pretty interesting
19:38:27 <Lish> im not convinced it will be a real interuptor
19:38:41 <Arbition> bitcoin has talked about trimming the blockchain for a long time
19:38:43 <Lish> but theres a lot of cash going in to figuring it out at the moment
19:38:45 <Arbition> but nothing has been done as yet
19:39:28 <Arbition> That being said, if anyone has experience in keeping records for a long time, it is banks
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19:40:18 <Tigger_> lately bitcoin transactions are costing more in fees than credit cards, a problem relating to the blockchain limits, so I assume the incentive for a blockchain financial system is cheaper transaction fees than the banks
19:40:38 <Lish> and faster transactions
19:40:47 <Arbition> yes Tigger_, I was describing that the 1MB limit is not impossible to overcome, it is only politics preventing it
19:41:30 <Tigger_> they would need the design to allow infinite block size expansion for this problem to never arise again
19:42:29 <Arbition> possibly, but block size is correlated to rate of transactions, so block sizes will only increse with increased economic/financial system activity
19:42:33 <Tigger_> but the immediate value of a blockchain financial system is just to pressure the banks to lower their transaction fees
19:42:54 <Lish> its talking about the 1mb limit now
19:43:07 <Lish> scalability issues that they arent sure will be resolved
19:43:14 <Lish> they dont predict it will replace visa etc.
19:43:23 <Lish> not anytime soon anyway
19:43:24 <Arbition> because of politics, a former developer quit the project because of this issue
19:43:48 <Arbition> because technically the limit has already been solved
19:44:34 <Tigger_> Lish, what's the name of this video?
19:44:57 <Lish> its internally distributed
19:44:59 <Lish> i cant share
19:45:00 <Lish> soz
19:45:03 <Arbition> All the stuff I know about the blockchain limit I learnt from here https://medium.com/@octskyward/the-resolution-of-the-bitcoin-experiment-dabb30201f7#.c80xty89w
19:45:10 <Lish> theres heaps on the interwebs though
19:45:31 <Arbition> The guy states his technically solved problem involves a variable block size which participants vote on
19:47:06 <Tigger_> Lish, I'm sure it's already leaked
19:57:47 <Warren1984> Arbition what's up my nigger?
19:58:17 <Warren1984> ready to play AOE 2 as the goths?
19:58:31 <Arbition> Oh
19:58:32 <Arbition> Hmm
19:58:59 <Arbition> let me check something, I will then need to set up my computer
19:59:56 <Arbition> Hmm, looks like someone is using a lot of internet
20:00:16 <Arbition> I don't like my chances of a stable game
20:00:31 <Arbition> remember last time, where the game constantly came up with the vote to continue screen?
20:01:02 <Lish> my husband is yelling at his computer
20:01:12 <Lish> for some reason some features of windows arent working in his profile
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20:01:18 <Tigger_> why is he yelling?
20:01:18 <Lish> but are working in my profile on his computer
20:01:22 <Lish> hes getting enraged
20:01:26 <Lish> because he cant fix it
20:01:46 <Lish> the photo app is the main one i thnk
20:02:05 <Tigger_> I didn't think anyone used the bundled Windows apps
20:02:12 <Lish> he doesnt use it
20:02:16 <Lish> so i dont know why he cares
20:02:24 <Lish> he just said it should work because its part of windows
20:02:28 <Lish> so now hes stuck on trying to fix it
20:02:41 <Tigger_> I wouldn't know if it worked or not as I've never run it, or any of the others
20:02:56 <Lish> i dunno lol hes going bananas
20:03:05 <Lish> now his firmware for his headphones isnt working
20:03:10 <Tigger_> throw a bucket of water over him
20:03:22 <Lish> i told him to move away and id fix it
20:03:26 <Lish> that made him more angry
20:03:34 <xmmm> Lol
20:03:38 <Lish> i said did he want to drive around the block and he said he was going to punch his computer soon
20:03:45 <Lish> and told me to get out of his face hahahahah
20:04:20 <Tigger_> lol
20:04:54 <Tigger_> what next punching the wall because MS Paint lacks features?
20:04:55 <Lish> guys gone nuts
20:04:57 <Lish> probably
20:05:03 <Lish> he's funny like that sometimes
20:05:17 <Lish> i get amused by it
20:05:23 <Lish> but that enrages the beast
20:05:45 <Tigger_> give him a nice cool grape soda to relax
20:05:49 <Lish> haha
20:05:54 <Lish> bucket o chicken and grape soda
20:05:59 <Lish> with watermelon for dessert
20:06:03 <Tigger_> lol
20:06:27 <Arbition> tentacle grape
20:06:27 <xmmm> Lol
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20:09:44 <Lish> why do people eat carrot cake
20:09:46 <Lish> disgusting
20:09:57 <Tigger_> lemon cake is much better
20:10:02 <Lish> yeah i guess
20:10:10 <Lish> i like to bake
20:10:14 <Lish> but i dont like many cakes
20:10:18 <Lish> just plain cakes
20:10:25 <Lish> sponge with jam and cream will do me
20:10:25 <Tigger_> people have carrot cake because they believe it's better for you than chocolate cake
20:10:57 <Arbition> rhubarb
20:11:03 <Lish> i know all the cakes on the masterchef name that cake challenge
20:11:23 <Lish> im acing it
20:12:06 <Marttin> i want to make this http://www.petitchef.es/recetas/postre/tarta-mousse-de-naranja-cremosa-fid-1560859
20:12:23 <Arbition> So irritating this one guy in the house has taken to Torrenting at every opportunity
20:12:49 <Arbition> I'm tempted to run my own torrents with linux ISOs or something, just to take bandwidth away from him
20:13:24 <Tigger_> ask him what he's downloading
20:13:35 <Arbition> I don't care though
20:13:52 <Tigger_> Marttin, make it and upload photos
20:14:00 <Marttin> I will
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20:18:30 <Lish> link didnt work for me Marttin
20:18:47 <Marttin> thats weird
20:18:58 <Lish> yeah real weird
20:19:04 <Lish> i want cookies
20:19:39 <Marttin> try this http://www.lasrecetasdemasero.com/2015/05/tarta-mousse-de-naranja.html
20:20:37 <Lish> didnt work
20:20:40 <Lish> doesnt matter
20:21:14 <Marttin> ok
20:21:34 <Lish> naranja
20:21:38 <Lish> orange
20:21:52 <Marttin> yep
20:22:07 <Marttin> something like this http://www.theauberginechef.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/White-Chocolate-Mousse-Cake.jpg
20:22:09 <Lish> looks pretty good
20:22:11 <Lish> i googled it
20:22:17 <Lish> do you bake often?
20:22:44 <Lish> ok taking husband for drive around block
20:23:03 <Marttin> I never bake, but these kind of cakes are my weakness http://xn--espaasabor-w9a.es/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Tarta-de-queso-Raquel.jpg
20:23:08 <Marttin> I dont mind the flavour, just love them
20:23:12 <Lish> nice
20:23:35 <Marttin> I will have my mother's help though
20:23:59 <Lish> my favourite baked food of all time are french palmiers
20:24:19 <Marttin> oh lol
20:24:21 <Lish> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palmier
20:24:23 <Marttin> that is super popular here
20:24:27 <Lish> they are absolutely delicious
20:24:31 <Lish> and they are HARD to find here
20:24:35 <Lish> especially good ones
20:24:51 <Marttin> yes, is not something I would spect to see in australia
20:25:18 <Lish> i especially like them with a passionfruit icing
20:25:18 <Tigger_> I've never seen them before
20:25:23 <Lish> but the original glazed ones are good too
20:25:51 <Lish> the only places ive been able to get them all the time are two bakeries in my home town
20:25:54 <Lish> they both make them
20:25:58 <Lish> which is so random and strange
20:26:07 <Lish> not even bakeries in towns surrounding have them...
20:26:09 <Lish> so odd
20:26:12 <Lish> they are delicious
20:26:15 <Marttin> I hate the glazed ones
20:27:02 <Lish> you like them without glaze?
20:27:07 <Lish> they arent sweet enough then
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20:27:41 <Lish> im not that interested in going to france
20:27:51 <Lish> but i'd go solely to eat a palmier
20:28:23 <ajnin> Lish are you serious
20:28:30 <Tigger_> you'd get to France and then they'd tell you "Oh we stopped making them years ago."
20:28:33 <Lish> yes
20:28:37 <Lish> i love palmiers
20:28:38 <ajnin> the food in france is fucking mad!
20:28:46 <Lish> they are my favourite food on earth
20:28:54 <ajnin> i would watch all the Gabieral's tour de france
20:29:04 <ajnin> and go to heaps of them places
20:29:11 <ajnin> brb
20:29:15 <ajnin> googling palmiers
20:29:33 <Lish> okie doke
20:29:57 <ajnin> its a sweet roll ?
20:30:01 <ajnin> thats your fav thing ?
20:30:12 <Lish> its not a sweet roll
20:30:14 <Lish> its pastry
20:30:19 <Lish> yes my favourite food ever
20:30:23 <ajnin> OMG
20:30:26 <Lish> with a passionfruit icing its the best
20:30:27 <ajnin> that is a fucking let down
20:30:33 <ajnin> then again
20:30:37 <ajnin> I have never had one
20:30:44 <ajnin> is there a place I should try
20:30:48 <ajnin> in the CDB
20:30:48 <Lish> it reminds me of my childhood
20:30:52 <Lish> no they are hard to find
20:30:52 <ajnin> ohhhhhhhh
20:30:56 <ajnin> i see
20:30:56 <Lish> that's what i was saying
20:31:01 <Lish> they aren't very common
20:31:03 <ajnin> like that moview
20:31:07 <ajnin> movie
20:31:09 <ajnin> with the rat
20:31:21 <ajnin> and he cooks some basic shit but the dude remembers his childhood
20:31:26 <Lish> they are yum, simple but very yum
20:31:30 <Lish> plus i like sweet food
20:31:36 <Lish> so my fav foods are mostly all sweet
20:35:03 <ajnin> for me its meat
20:35:11 <ajnin> without doubt this is my number 1 dish
20:35:12 <ajnin> http://l7.alamy.com/zooms/1c03006b519540b7a42aaa616969e4a1/adana-kebab-minced-meat-kebab-turkish-food-f598dg.jpg
20:35:25 <ajnin> adana kebab on a plate with rice and onions
20:35:50 <Lish> a kebab plate is your fav food
20:35:53 <Lish> its good i guess
20:36:03 <ajnin> adana kebab
20:36:08 <ajnin> not from the spit
20:36:08 <Lish> that looks like a penis
20:36:19 <ajnin> noramlly its not as round
20:36:30 <Lish> haha
20:36:34 <Lish> ok back soon people
20:37:11 <Marttin> very very little glaze its ok, but bakers seem to have no control, or either the majority of the clients prefer it literaly bathed on it, to me its disgusting
20:40:23 <Warren1984> Marttin do you like this song -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzBSY8jQG1c
20:40:27 <BlackDevil> Youtube: Nikki Lee - Chiki Chiki - Official Video Clip (Jun 22, 2012) Length: 3:27 - Category: Music - 9,917,263 views views - likes (88%), 2,881 dislikes (12%)
20:41:44 <Marttin> not at all, Im shocked it has almost 10 million viewas
20:42:52 <Tigger_> it has a piano accordion, therefore Marttin loves it
20:42:58 <Marttin> xDDDD
20:43:57 <Marttin> I prefer this Warren1984 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWb_fdAqEAM the kind of song Greeksnake listens when he is in romantic mood with Iraqi boyfriend
20:44:01 <BlackDevil> Youtube: Δεν ταιριάζετε σου λέω - Παντελής Παντελίδης (Official Video) (Jul 19, 2012) Length: 3:52 - Category: Music - 15,560,776 views views - 38,937 likes (86.1%), 6,281 dislikes (13.9%)
20:44:46 <Marttin> official video.....
20:45:26 <Marttin> where is brett?
20:45:26 <Warren1984> going to make chips again tonight
20:45:36 <Marttin> I had an interesting dream today, he'd love
20:45:41 <Marttin> good
20:46:23 <Warren1984> Marttin what about this one -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Nrv5teMc9Y
20:46:27 <BlackDevil> Youtube: P!nk - Just Like Fire (From the Original Motion Picture "Alice Through The Looking Glass") (May 8, 2016) Length: 3:53 - Category: Music - 20,231,261 views views - 316,807 likes (98.2%), 5,913 dislikes (1.8%)
20:48:24 <Marttin> she is more masculine now than she was years ago
20:49:22 <Warren1984> yeah
20:49:55 <Marttin> I like more her old songs
20:51:09 <Warren1984> Marttin what about this song -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUXZThUx3Tc
20:51:14 <BlackDevil> Youtube: Gordon Lightfoot - If You Could Read My Mind (lyrics on screen) HQ Audio (Apr 8, 2013) Length: 3:47 - Category: Music - 67,720 views views - 441 likes (97.6%), 11 dislikes (2.4%)
20:51:22 <Marttin> like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJfFZqTlWrQ
20:51:26 <BlackDevil> Youtube: P!nk - So What (Oct 24, 2009) Length: 3:45 - Category: Music - 190,339,465 views views - 615,585 likes (97.1%), 18,371 dislikes (2.9%)
20:51:47 Quit: ajnin ([email protected]) Quit: adfik
20:51:59 <Marttin> or this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQa7SvVCdZk
20:52:04 <BlackDevil> Youtube: Christina Aguilera, Lil' Kim, Mya, Pink - Lady Marmalade (Dec 24, 2009) Length: 4:34 - Category: Music - 161,048,786 views views - 521,091 likes (96.6%), 18,112 dislikes (3.4%)
20:53:12 <Marttin> this is not bad, but I dont like it either
20:53:55 <Warren1984> not avaliable in our country
20:54:00 <Tigger_> The uploader has not made this video available in your country.
20:54:18 <Tigger_> the irony, that song was done for an Australian film
20:54:19 <Warren1984> Marttin what about this one -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIPnD65_UXQ
20:54:23 <BlackDevil> Youtube: my name's blurryface and i care what you think (Jul 30, 2015) Length: 3:27 - Category: People & Blogs - 23,137 views views - 181 likes (90.5%), 19 dislikes (9.5%)
20:54:31 <Marttin> which one Tigger_?
20:54:38 <Marttin> lady marmalade?
20:54:45 <Marttin> I see, warren has the problem as well
20:54:56 <Tigger_> yes
20:57:29 <Marttin> this last song is a mix of another?
20:57:51 <Marttin> not bad, but again not something I'll listen any more
20:58:16 <Tigger_> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lady_Marmalade#Moulin_Rouge.21_version
21:01:39 <Warren1984> Arbition you can learn many things and have many interests, but that is superfical learning
21:01:51 <Warren1984> it's not thorough, deep and elaborate learning
21:02:10 <Warren1984> doesn't promote understanding, just rote memorization of things
21:02:33 <Marttin> Spain (PROMUSICAE)[64] 1
21:02:34 <Marttin> lol
21:02:53 <Arbition> You say that, but anything which requires deep analysis, typically makes for poor conversation with people not as well informed on the topic
21:03:23 <Arbition> So why would I talk about such things
21:04:23 <Warren1984> so you talk with people of the specialized interest
21:04:36 <Arbition> and I do
21:04:42 <Arbition> but I don't have to only talk to them
21:05:14 <Warren1984> so are you driven to come to conclusions about ideas, which requires organization and action?
21:05:32 <Tigger_> woman celebrates recovering from cancer, but gets eaten by a crocodile: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3620983/Family-crocodile-attack-victim-Cindy-Waldron-don-t-want-hunted-natural-habitat-women-did-silly.html
21:05:40 <Arbition> I couldn't reasonably answer that question, Warren1984
21:06:28 <Marttin> was there a carrousel in the beach?
21:07:04 <Marttin> she looked great for her age
21:07:17 <xm> http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/government-does-not-have-a-place-in-your-bedroom-conservatives-vote-to-accept-same-sex-marriages
21:07:29 <xm> conservatives...in Canada
21:07:52 <Marttin> I prefer her friend though http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/05/30/22/34C5C43C00000578-3616894-image-a-1_1464645257768.jpg still can root that one
21:09:35 <Tigger_> still can, because she's not eaten?
21:09:41 <Marttin> yes
21:09:55 <Tigger_> that is very practical
21:09:59 <Marttin> lol
21:10:13 <Marttin> yes well... not like Im going to meet her around the corner
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21:11:08 <Warren1984> Arbition someone gives you an idea
21:11:15 <Warren1984> so you structure it
21:11:18 <Warren1984> i.e. make a list
21:11:27 <Warren1984> then take action with that list
21:11:35 <Arbition> I rarely make lists
21:11:43 <Arbition> not complete ones anyway
21:12:00 <Warren1984> that is an example Arbition
21:12:12 <Arbition> What does that have to do with drawing conclusions though
21:12:13 <Warren1984> for me I learn from experience
21:12:24 <Arbition> You ask if I come to conclusions about ideas
21:12:25 <Warren1984> so I rule out what does and doesn't work for me
21:12:50 <Warren1984> for the sake of taking action you must come to a conclusion
21:13:04 <Warren1984> for self-confidence
21:13:10 <Tigger_> I make lists of ideas to code for games
21:14:45 <Marttin> I think that gay marriage is a distraction given in these awful economic times we live in, to give sattisfaction (empty) to some, and create furiosity and a bad reaction in others
21:14:59 <Tigger_> Marttin, you are correct
21:15:00 <Arbition> I agree
21:15:12 <Arbition> I also think this is the case with most social issues
21:15:14 <Marttin> If not I dont see why it wasnt given decades ago, by progressist goverments
21:15:15 <Arbition> and morality
21:15:27 <Tigger_> Hillary's entire campaign is culture war point scoring while ignoring the economic situation
21:15:54 <Tigger_> though immorality is extremely expensive for society to deal with
21:16:07 <Tigger_> so it does have a significant economic dimension
21:16:15 <Arbition> Policing morality, and I'm sure we disagree on the details
21:16:55 <Arbition> In my opinion, morality is just an alias for social issues
21:17:29 <Tigger_> just one example, single mothers and their dysfunctional offspring are a massive economic sink
21:18:05 <Arbition> Honestly I'm not in the mood to argue at the moment, I expended that earlier today
21:18:10 <Arbition> (elsewhere)
21:18:27 <Tigger_> what was the argument about?
21:18:53 <Arbition> someone was developing a chain of suspiscons which only built more suspiscion about another person
21:19:16 <Tigger_> a detective
21:20:04 <Arbition> No, he was just really angry about them and made an ever increasing strawman of him
21:20:35 <Arbition> because he got banned from a channel
21:20:53 <Arbition> he has now resorted to calling this other guy Anders Brevik II
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21:21:29 <Arbition> and seriously thinks this other guy would assassinate politicians
21:21:37 <Tigger_> another example of the economic dimension of morality: we have a socialised health care system, which makes the very predictable consequences of hedonistic behaviour to become a negative externality that society must pay for
21:22:07 <Tigger_> that'll be interesting to see if he's right
21:22:17 <Arbition> very unlikely
21:22:51 <Arbition> If he is, I would give all my money to Scientology
21:23:04 <Arbition> its just that crazy
21:23:27 <Tigger_> I would've hoped that you'd give to the Flat Earth Society, to continue their worthy efforts
21:23:41 <Arbition> Do you mean that seriously?
21:24:45 <Tigger_> they are underfunded, but Scientology has plenty of money
21:24:55 <Arbition> I meant the worthy efforts part
21:25:10 <Marttin> lol
21:26:27 <Lish> YES
21:26:34 <Tigger_> well the flat earth model has some points of merit, such as it confirmed by observation
21:26:36 <Lish> just locked in tickets to basketball in AUSTRALIA
21:26:38 <Lish> excited
21:26:56 <Tigger_> where in Australia?
21:26:58 <Arbition> That's the end of my tether. Sorry.
21:27:39 <Tigger_> I didn't say scientific observation, or pilot's or sailor's observation, but rather observation by pedestrians and such
21:28:23 <Lish> melbourne of course
21:30:22 <Tigger_> they should build a basketball court on top of Ayer's Rock
21:32:20 <Lish> Melbourne is so awesome
21:32:26 <Lish> my sister locked in the tickets
21:32:27 <Lish> $240
21:32:59 <Lish> both games on weeknights so now we need to figure that out
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21:36:11 Mode: (by ChanOP) +h Ethanol
21:47:14 <Tigger_> Lesbian killers who brutally murdered their son after Googling 'Can wives be in prison together?' ARE being held in cells just yards from each other
21:47:14 <Tigger_> Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3621460/Liam-Fee-s-killers-just-yards-apart-prison-wing.html#ixzz4AQCzcpJU
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21:50:51 Quit: Lish ([email protected]) Quit:
21:51:44 <Marttin> wtf
21:52:51 <Tigger_> the details are quite horrific
21:55:00 <Marttin> this kind of people should be tortured but not killed
21:59:38 <Marttin> according to the writter the other women in prision will take care
22:00:15 <Marttin> Im not so sure, hope she is right
22:01:07 <Tigger_> they'll probably end up in an isolation ward, as it'll be too dangerous to allow them to mix with the other prisoners
22:02:06 <Ethanol> they'll be released within 6 months if "Sisters Inside" have their way
22:02:31 <Ethanol> "Sending women to prison is sexist"
22:02:38 <Ethanol> and so forth
22:04:04 <Marttin> lol
22:04:25 <Marttin> I like how #pd can do humor out of anything though
22:05:07 <Tigger_> ah yes, the "Is Prison Obsolete Conference 2016"
22:06:39 <Tigger_> Forget reform. It is time to talk about abolishing prisons in society. So what's the alternative? This puzzling question often interrupts further discussion of the prospects for abolition. Why is it so difficult to imagine alternatives to the current system of imprisonment? What about building the kind of society that doesn't need prisons with the redistribution of power and income, and a decent sense of community that can support every
22:06:39 <Tigger_> member.
22:07:07 <Ethanol> Marttin: what is seemingly far fetched today will become reality in a few years
22:07:24 <Tigger_> though I'm sure they'd agree that prisons will still serve a function, such as for racists and transphobes
22:08:37 <Ethanol> Racists and transphobes will be re-educated at a "friendly" labour camp
22:08:46 <Tigger_> lol
22:11:30 <BlackDevil> Tigger_
22:11:41 <BlackDevil> is amazon.xom search down for you?
22:11:46 <BlackDevil> .com
22:12:39 <Tigger_> I will look
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22:13:43 <Marttin> http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/
22:13:59 <Ethanol> Marttin: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFBOQzSk14c
22:14:03 <BlackDevil> Youtube: Monty Python's The life of Brian - I want to be a woman (Apr 20, 2007) Length: 1:51 - Category: Comedy - 711,301 views views - 3,913 likes (98.9%), 45 dislikes (1.1%)
22:14:24 <Ethanol> Monty Python predicted this nonsense over 30 years ago
22:15:06 <Marttin> thats surprising
22:15:23 <BlackDevil> the site is up Marttin
22:15:34 <BlackDevil> just the search isnt
22:16:06 <Ethanol> Humour is my window into the future.
22:16:21 <Tigger_> "symbolic of his struggle against reality"
22:16:30 <Tigger_> that sums up modern politics pretty well
22:16:34 <Ethanol> yes, lol
22:18:12 <Marttin> ah ok BlackDevil, I didnt read you well
22:18:51 <Tigger_> actually watching old Monty Python shows I'm surprised at what a rightwing leaning it was, but then again satire has always been owned by Tories, at least since Jonathan Swift
22:19:20 <Tigger_> *leaning show it was
22:20:37 <Tigger_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAaWvVFERVA
22:20:41 <BlackDevil> Youtube: Monty Python- The Annoying Peasant (Oct 30, 2006) Length: 3:15 - Category: Comedy - 2,039,019 views views - 10,199 likes (99%), 106 dislikes (1%)
22:22:30 <Marttin> I must have seen this in here before, or a shorter version
22:23:20 <Tigger_> I have tears in my eyes after watching that again
22:23:25 <Ethanol> it's great
22:24:02 <Ethanol> I always think of Lamontcranston when I see this
22:25:40 <Tigger_> yes, he went on about anarcho-syndicalism
22:51:23 <Warren1984> Tigger_ do you walk around and make lists of things you can see with your eyes
22:51:51 <Tigger_> no
22:52:22 <Tigger_> I mainly make shopping lists, so that's things I can't see, because I'm out of them
22:52:35 <Warren1984> do you live in a structured and efficient way
22:52:49 <Warren1984> do you live in a planned and organized way
22:52:52 <Tigger_> no
22:52:56 <Tigger_> and no
22:53:02 <Warren1984> do you tend to make lists and follow them
22:53:03 <IvanTheBastard> hello friends
22:53:09 <Warren1984> IvanTheBastard
22:53:23 <xm> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frFneV8Elss <--- warren's favourite Tech House song
22:53:27 <BlackDevil> Youtube: Paperclip People - 4 My Peepz (Dubfire Rework) (Aug 14, 2011) Length: 8:30 - Category: Music - 3,255 views views - 33 likes (100%), dislikes (0%)
22:53:49 <Warren1984> IvanTheBastard how is this for random
22:53:51 <Warren1984> <Warren1984> ask Lish if she would let you put your ingrown toenail in her vagina
22:53:51 <Warren1984> <Tigger_> no, she knows I never say things like that
22:53:51 <Warren1984> <Warren1984> It would be funny
22:53:51 <Warren1984> <Tigger_> no it wouldn't
22:53:51 <Warren1984> <Warren1984> tell her you will put a condom over it so no pus leaks
22:53:51 <Warren1984> <Tigger_> terrible stuff to say
22:53:51 <Warren1984> <Warren1984> be funny coming from you though
22:53:51 <Warren1984> <Warren1984> just say you had an operation and the nail was removed and you want to drain it in her pussy
22:53:51 <Warren1984> <Warren1984> tell her the pus might make her pregnant
22:53:51 <Warren1984> <Tigger_> no
22:54:21 <IvanTheBastard> Random indeed
22:54:25 <Warren1984> cool tech music xm
22:54:30 <IvanTheBastard> that is savage as fuck man
22:54:42 <Warren1984> what is IvanTheBastard?
22:54:54 <IvanTheBastard> that stuff you pasted
22:56:13 <IvanTheBastard> you and lish really dont get along
22:56:51 <Warren1984> nuh
22:57:18 <Warren1984> it's actually ment to sound funny
22:57:21 <Warren1984> not serious
22:57:32 <Warren1984> but my humour is dry
22:58:04 <IvanTheBastard> its pretty juvenile humour
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22:58:57 <IvanTheBastard> Hi greek
22:59:07 <Warren1984> serpiente griego
22:59:11 <GreekSnake> hey mate
22:59:24 <Warren1984> Έλληνες φίδι
22:59:24 <GreekSnake> how's it hanging?
22:59:40 <GreekSnake> Warren1984, that says "Hellenes snake"
22:59:43 <IvanTheBastard> low and lazy!
22:59:48 <GreekSnake> yum
23:01:56 <Tigger_> hi GreekSnake
23:02:03 <GreekSnake> hey Tigger_
23:02:12 <GreekSnake> Germany finally bit the bullet and voted to recognize the Armenian Genocide
23:02:16 <GreekSnake> Turks are furious
23:03:03 <Tigger_> won't Merkel be arrested and deported to Turkey, for racism, or something?
23:03:11 <GreekSnake> heh
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23:03:48 <GreekSnake> the right-wing AfD party should troll the Turks even further by proposing a ban on genocide denial for Germany's millions of Turks and other Muslims
23:04:07 <Tigger_> that would be a good move
23:04:25 <GreekSnake> and the wording of the resolution should say: "and NO, what is happening in Gaza is NOT genocide."
23:05:06 <Tigger_> here is the falafel I made: http://imgur.com/a/soHL7
23:05:51 Quit: Warren1984 ([email protected]) Ping timeout: 121 seconds
23:06:51 <GreekSnake> it looks like a nightmare to clean
23:07:41 <Tigger_> the main issue with cleaning is that those blades are incredibly sharp
23:08:04 <GreekSnake> scary
23:08:11 <GreekSnake> doesn't it just go in the dishwasher?
23:08:25 <Tigger_> my dishwasher is broken
23:09:16 <xm> i remember when doctor pasted this and i had never heard of it before
23:09:17 <xm> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2H5Se-9XAVE
23:09:21 <BlackDevil> Youtube: Fine Young Cannibals - Johnny Come Home (Feb 26, 2012) Length: 3:30 - Category: Music - 915,826 views views - 4,077 likes (98.1%), dislikes (1.9%)
23:09:30 <xm> the video is quite interesting, probably cost close to nothing
23:09:38 <doctor> good drinking song
23:09:55 <xm> i like how the lead singer gets down on his knees later and the guitarists do in sync too
23:10:32 <xm> i prefer unaffected random free dancing
23:11:15 <GreekSnake> DO SONE5 months ago
23:11:15 <GreekSnake> Is he black, white and asian ?
23:11:29 <Tigger_> a mix
23:11:47 <doctor> getting caught up in the vibes
23:11:48 <Tigger_> after his big hits he bought a farm in New Zealand and vanished
23:12:26 <doctor> wise move
23:13:30 <xm> now that GreekSnake is here im reminded to play Smalltown Boy
23:14:33 <Tigger_> it's in the sidebar
23:14:42 <xm> yes, reminded to click on it
23:14:50 <xm> he mentioned it last night
23:16:22 <Wazza> xm lets play SC 2
23:16:34 Nick: Wazza is now known as Warren1984
23:16:41 <xm> cant play tonight as i have to read through stuff
23:16:47 <Tigger_> it seems so very weird to have a black guy singing white music, the 80s were strange times
23:17:05 <xm> if i finish the doc early i might be ble to
23:17:36 Nick: Saemon is now known as cArlT0n_kR3w
23:17:40 Nick: cArlT0n_kR3w is now known as Saemon
23:18:05 <Warren1984> GreekSnake do you have any new Spanish songs
23:18:07 <Warren1984> with chicks
23:18:20 <Warren1984> one's like this -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzBSY8jQG1c
23:18:24 <BlackDevil> Youtube: Nikki Lee - Chiki Chiki - Official Video Clip (Jun 22, 2012) Length: 3:27 - Category: Music - 9,917,668 views views - likes (88%), 2,881 dislikes (12%)
23:20:17 <Tigger_> <Marttin> not at all, Im shocked it has almost 10 million viewas
23:20:17 <Tigger_> <Tigger_> it has a piano accordion, therefore Marttin loves it
23:21:19 <GreekSnake> lol
23:21:27 <GreekSnake> I don't think it's Spanish, Warren1984
23:22:29 <Marttin> chiki is used in spanish
23:22:37 <GreekSnake> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z11kpkf2c7c
23:22:41 <BlackDevil> Youtube: Milo talks Donald Trump, Black Lives Matter Cuckery, and More at UCLA (Jun 1, 2016) Length: 6:26 - Category: Nonprofits & Activism - 64,788 views views - 2,374 likes (97.7%), 56 dislikes (2.3%)
23:22:48 <GreekSnake> look at all the crucifices around Milo's neck
23:22:52 <Marttin> chiki chiki, ñaca ñaca
23:23:45 <Tigger_> the sound in some of Milo's videos is terrible, they should just use the mic-in
23:24:31 <Marttin> anyone bought the raspberry pi 3?
23:25:45 <Marttin> Warren1984: you should buy this http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/229443-amd-announces-new-radeon-rx-480-vr-ready-at-a-budget-price
23:26:15 <GreekSnake> Warren1984, you should be listening to quality tracks like this:
23:26:17 <GreekSnake> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVjsGKrE6E8
23:26:20 <Tigger_> earlier I saw a video of Milo where he says when Trump builds the wall, feminists, cyclists, vapers, and atheists will be thrown to the other side
23:26:21 <BlackDevil> Youtube: Lana Del Rey - Summertime Sadness (Jul 20, 2012) Length: 4:43 - Category: Music - 255,918,865 views views - 1,107,201 likes (97.5%), 28,061 dislikes (2.5%)
23:26:39 <Tigger_> Lana Del Rey = Britney for hipsters
23:26:43 <GreekSnake> yes, it was this video
23:26:48 <GreekSnake> I found that line quite funny actually
23:27:34 <Tigger_> vapers make me furious too, and I barely know what vaping is
23:27:53 <Marttin> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEe_eraFWWs
23:27:58 <BlackDevil> Youtube: The Black Eyed Peas - My Humps (Jun 16, 2009) Length: 3:54 - Category: Music - 246,659,982 views views - 601,231 likes (94.8%), 33,059 dislikes (5.2%)
23:28:28 <Tigger_> I do like Summertime Sadness though, and Born to Die. the rest of her songs don't really work for me
23:29:26 <Marttin> doctor is a vaper
23:29:59 <Warren1984> looks good Marttin
23:30:23 <Tigger_> I can imagine vapers vaping away, with their hipster beards, thinking they're so cool. makes me so furious
23:30:39 <Warren1984> roberto is spanish isn't it?
23:30:43 <Marttin> LOL
23:30:46 <Marttin> jew
23:30:53 <Marttin> but yeah, the name sounds spanish
23:31:00 <Marttin> I dont think it was originally hebrew
23:31:07 <Tigger_> Roberto is Jewish, perhaps he is Sephardic
23:31:13 <Marttin> ah ok
23:31:54 <Warren1984> Marttin -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrY39ooSKBY
23:31:58 <BlackDevil> Youtube: Lady GaGa - Alejandro (Dec 4, 2009) Length: 4:34 - Category: People & Blogs - 2,795,267 views views - 6,265 likes (96.6%), dislikes (3.4%)
23:32:07 <Warren1984> Alejandro = alexander
23:32:28 <Marttin> yep, this one greek
23:33:30 <Marttin> typical spanish names are, alfonso, jaime, which arent that known outside spain
23:33:51 <Marttin> I dont know about Juan, I guess so
23:34:01 <Tigger_> We demand 1. an end to rape culture, and 2. to allow muslim refugees to come and stay: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3621320/5-000-women-streets-demand-end-Brazil-s-culture-rape-blamed-horrifying-attack-33-men-16-year-old-girl.html
23:34:03 <Warren1984> alejandro is greek?
23:34:21 <Marttin> yes
23:34:28 <GreekSnake> Alejandro is the Spanish version of the Greek Aléxandros
23:34:29 <Marttin> alexander*, alejandro is the spanish of it
23:35:07 <Marttin> another spanish name, Fernando
23:35:07 <Warren1984> Alejandro street Perth
23:35:14 <Warren1984> yeah thought so
23:35:26 <Marttin> ramiro could be from latin origin
23:35:56 <GreekSnake> Fernando is Germanic in origin
23:36:00 <GreekSnake> Ferdinand
23:36:01 <Marttin> sancho is another, probably the least known
23:36:04 <Marttin> ah ok
23:36:10 <GreekSnake> Sancho is obviously Basque
23:36:14 <Marttin> lol
23:36:22 <GreekSnake> Santxo
23:36:26 <Marttin> ah ok
23:37:26 <doctor> I don't think I'm cool, I AM cool
23:37:55 <GreekSnake> Robert is Germanic too, according to Wiki
23:37:57 <GreekSnake> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akhmS1D2Ce4
23:37:59 <GreekSnake> the remix was good too
23:38:13 <Marttin> haha doctor
23:38:46 <Marttin> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d5/OpinionPollingSpainGeneralElectionNext.png
23:38:48 <GreekSnake> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJNLo2ydE0M
23:38:52 <BlackDevil> Youtube: Բունդեսթագի առաջ հայ երիտասարդները երգով ու պարով ողջունեցին ցեղասպանության բանաձեւի ընդունումը (Jun 2, 2016) Length: 2:53 - Category: News & Politics - 178 views views - likes (97.9%), dislikes (2.1%)
23:38:55 <Marttin> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epmtRiFLuF8
23:38:57 <GreekSnake> Greeks celebrating alongisde Armenians outside the Bundestag
23:38:59 <BlackDevil> Youtube: Вперед, друзья! Хор Пятницкого Comrades, Forward! (Feb 25, 2010) Length: 2:54 - Category: Music - 20,498 views views - 14 likes (100%), 0 dislikes (0%)
23:39:35 <Marttin> they are proudly dancing kurdish
23:39:40 <GreekSnake> so a PP-PSOE-Cs coalition looks inevitable
23:39:43 <GreekSnake> it's not Kurdish, it's Armenian
23:40:30 <xm> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-QPvffO1gs
23:40:34 <BlackDevil> Youtube: Depeche Mode - It's No Good (Mar 4, 2009) Length: - Category: Music - 9,062,143 views views - 28,089 likes (98.6%), 392 dislikes (1.4%)
23:40:39 <GreekSnake> there are a few Kurdish Rojava flags there too
23:40:44 <doctor> I dont even know the difference
23:40:47 <GreekSnake> the Turks and jihadists will be furious
23:41:52 <GreekSnake> Marttin, the song is called Hay Kacher
23:41:56 <GreekSnake> probably the most famous Armenian nationalist song
23:41:57 <GreekSnake> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbiZ8DGXsW8
23:42:01 <BlackDevil> Youtube: Artsakh Liberation War (Jun 15, 2007) Length: 5:04 - Category: People & Blogs - 49,584 views views - 268 likes (89.3%), 32 dislikes (10.7%)
23:44:11 <GreekSnake> "Brave Armenians, the time has come... with the power of the tricolor to liberate Armenia forever"
23:56:03 <Marttin> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1w0s-ME1GzY&t=20s
23:56:07 <BlackDevil> Youtube: Venezuela Socialist President Praises Bolshevik Bernie (Jun 1, 2016) Length: 0:59 - Category: News & Politics - 306 views views - 7 likes (100%), 0 dislikes (0%)
23:56:31 <Tigger_> just the sort of endorsement Bernie needs right now
23:56:42 <Marttin> xDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDd
23:57:44 <Tigger_> what is this hidden force that Trump is using?
23:58:18 <Marttin> he probably means fascism
23:59:52 <Marttin> this man is priceless
23:59:56 <Marttin> he is funnier than chavez by far