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00:03:00 <Warren1984> Bronies4Bernie do you know any software that could help me start to download at 3am if I leave my computer on, it's not a torrent
00:03:00 <Warren1984> I have to update GTA5
00:04:03 <Warren1984> Bronies4Bernie do you know any software that could help me start to download at 3am if I leave my computer on, it's not a torrent
00:04:09 <Warren1984> I have to update GTA5
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00:25:00 <Warren1984> Bronies4Bernie -> http://www.pcgamer.com/10-most-graphically-demanding-pc-games/
00:26:11 <Warren1984> Bronies4Bernie -> http://www.pcgamer.com/10-most-graphically-demanding-pc-games/
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03:15:00 <miles> yep
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03:15:50 <miles> yep
03:18:00 <chandler> hello miles
03:18:00 <chandler> ur name is christopher?
03:18:00 <miles> hi chandler
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03:18:42 <chandler> hello miles
03:18:48 <chandler> ur name is christopher?
03:19:00 <chandler> how are u miles?
03:19:00 <chandler> or christopy?
03:19:00 <miles> shit house
03:19:03 <miles> hi chandler
03:19:36 <chandler> how are u miles?
03:19:39 <chandler> or christopy?
03:19:47 <miles> shit house
03:22:00 <chandler> what happened?
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03:23:18 <chandler> what happened?
03:24:00 <miles> its what doesnt happen
03:24:00 <miles> thats the problem
03:24:00 <chandler> tell me more
03:24:32 <miles> its what doesnt happen
03:24:38 <miles> thats the problem
03:24:44 <chandler> tell me more
03:26:00 <miles> how u know my name
03:26:00 <miles> who are u
03:26:30 <miles> how u know my name
03:26:35 <miles> who are u
03:28:00 <chandler> suzi
03:28:00 <miles> bullshit
03:28:49 <chandler> suzi
03:28:58 <miles> bullshit
03:33:00 <miles> coffee lols
03:34:00 <chandler> u have me?
03:34:00 <chandler> or trance?
03:34:09 <miles> coffee lols
03:35:00 <miles> ?
03:35:00 <chandler> suzi
03:35:00 <chandler> from noble park
03:35:00 <miles> oh
03:35:00 <miles> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rig-MNoH8yo
03:35:00 <BlackDevil> Youtube: Right there m8 2016 choice mix techno (Apr 7, 2016) Length: 3:45 - Category: Music - 43 views views - 2 likes (100%), 0 dislikes (0%)
03:35:10 <chandler> u have me?
03:35:12 <chandler> or trance?
03:35:31 <miles> ?
03:35:37 <chandler> suzi
03:35:40 <chandler> from noble park
03:35:53 <miles> oh
03:36:09 <miles> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rig-MNoH8yo
03:36:15 <BlackDevil> Youtube: Right there m8 2016 choice mix techno (Apr 7, 2016) Length: 3:45 - Category: Music - 43 views views - 2 likes (100%), 0 dislikes (0%)
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04:25:00 <miles> ...........
04:25:00 <miles> https://youtu.be/UjAaUn4A0Ak
04:25:00 <BlackDevil> Youtube: MATE 2016 vocalized (Apr 11, 2016) Length: 2:44 - Category: Music - 21 views views - 1 likes (100%), 0 dislikes (0%)
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04:25:47 <miles> ...........
04:25:49 <miles> https://youtu.be/UjAaUn4A0Ak
04:25:56 <BlackDevil> Youtube: MATE 2016 vocalized (Apr 11, 2016) Length: 2:44 - Category: Music - 21 views views - 1 likes (100%), 0 dislikes (0%)
04:53:00 <miles> 25$ for 41000 gold in wow
04:53:00 <miles> chopper mount is 27kgold
04:53:51 <miles> 25$ for 41000 gold in wow
04:54:03 <miles> chopper mount is 27kgold
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07:59:00 <thestig1> miles you gona sell your gold teeth?
08:00:24 <thestig1> miles you gona sell your gold teeth?
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11:22:00 <Warren1984> hi all
11:22:00 <Warren1984> haven't seen doctor in a long time
11:22:00 <Warren1984> I wonder how he is going
11:22:31 <Warren1984> hi all
11:22:59 <Warren1984> haven't seen doctor in a long time
11:22:59 <Warren1984> I wonder how he is going
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11:27:00 <Bronies4Bernie> it is a mystery
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11:27:28 <Bronies4Bernie> it is a mystery
11:28:00 <Warren1984> It's a pain in the arse to keep disconnecting my gaming computer to use the laptop
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11:29:00 <Warren1984> for productivity reasons
11:29:00 <Warren1984> I need MS Outlook\
11:29:00 <Bronies4Bernie> why don't you install MS Outlook on the gaming computer?
11:29:00 <Bronies4Bernie> and hexchat
11:29:18 <Warren1984> It's a pain in the arse to keep disconnecting my gaming computer to use the laptop
11:29:31 <Warren1984> for productivity reasons
11:29:39 <Warren1984> I need MS Outlook\
11:29:56 <Bronies4Bernie> why don't you install MS Outlook on the gaming computer?
11:30:02 <Bronies4Bernie> and hexchat
11:40:00 <Warren1984> I could do but what am I going to do with my laptop?
11:41:00 <Bronies4Bernie> which will you use more?
11:41:25 <Warren1984> I could do but what am I going to do with my laptop?
11:42:00 <Warren1984> I forgot to set the power off thing last night... I woke up at 3am to start the download for the 8.83GB update on GTA5
11:42:00 <Warren1984> only to find out my computer turned it self off
11:42:24 <Bronies4Bernie> which will you use more?
11:43:00 <Warren1984> I forgot to set the power off thing last night... I woke up at 3am to start the download for the 8.83GB update on GTA5
11:43:00 <Warren1984> only to find out my computer turned it self off
11:45:00 <Warren1984> probably the gaming computer
11:45:00 <Warren1984> the laptop I can take to TAFE
11:45:00 <Warren1984> although they already have computers at TAFE, so I don't see much point
11:45:00 <Warren1984> I made a big list of all the changes to go from the laptop to the gaming PC
11:45:00 <Warren1984> it is a long list
11:45:52 <Warren1984> probably the gaming computer
11:45:53 <Warren1984> the laptop I can take to TAFE
11:45:53 <Warren1984> although they already have computers at TAFE, so I don't see much point
11:45:53 <Warren1984> I made a big list of all the changes to go from the laptop to the gaming PC
11:45:53 <Warren1984> it is a long list
11:46:00 <Bronies4Bernie> then you've got a busy day ahead of you
11:46:45 <Bronies4Bernie> then you've got a busy day ahead of you
11:48:00 <Warren1984> yeah
11:49:00 <Warren1984> the guy didn't put any fans on the top of the case
11:49:00 <Warren1984> maybe that is why the CPU is making that straining noise
11:49:00 <Arbition> you mean you didn't assemble it yourself?
11:49:00 <Arbition> straining noise?
11:49:00 <Warren1984> he only put one sucking in and 1 sucking out
11:49:18 <Warren1984> yeah
11:49:43 <Warren1984> the guy didn't put any fans on the top of the case
11:50:00 <Warren1984> the fan is going fast on the CPU
11:50:00 <Arbition> ah ok
11:50:00 <Warren1984> so the CPU must be strained
11:50:00 <Arbition> just so long as it is not fouling on the power wires
11:50:00 <Arbition> Not neccessarily
11:50:00 <Arbition> he might not have applied the thermal paste properly
11:50:00 <Arbition> if it is doing that while idle something is seriously wrong
11:50:01 <Warren1984> maybe that is why the CPU is making that straining noise
11:50:05 <Arbition> you mean you didn't assemble it yourself?
11:50:17 <Arbition> straining noise?
11:50:23 <Warren1984> he only put one sucking in and 1 sucking out
11:50:37 <Warren1984> the fan is going fast on the CPU
11:50:41 <Arbition> ah ok
11:50:49 <Warren1984> so the CPU must be strained
11:50:50 <Arbition> just so long as it is not fouling on the power wires
11:50:57 <Arbition> Not neccessarily
11:51:00 <Bronies4Bernie> what's the CPU temperature?
11:51:00 <Arbition> Strained doing what exactly?
11:51:00 <Arbition> check the usage levels
11:51:05 <Arbition> he might not have applied the thermal paste properly
11:51:14 <Arbition> if it is doing that while idle something is seriously wrong
11:51:37 <Bronies4Bernie> what's the CPU temperature?
11:52:00 <Arbition> if less than two cores are running at 100% then the thermals are set up badly
11:52:00 <Arbition> it should be spinning only moderately. If the graphics card is idle, you don't even really need outlet fans
11:52:00 <Arbition> unless your ambient temperature is in excess of about 35C
11:52:08 <Arbition> Strained doing what exactly?
11:52:14 <Arbition> check the usage levels
11:52:29 <Arbition> if less than two cores are running at 100% then the thermals are set up badly
11:52:58 <Arbition> it should be spinning only moderately. If the graphics card is idle, you don't even really need outlet fans
11:53:00 <Arbition> If you're in the middle of a game, that is less suprising
11:53:11 <Arbition> unless your ambient temperature is in excess of about 35C
11:53:40 <Arbition> If you're in the middle of a game, that is less suprising
11:54:00 <Bronies4Bernie> no professional builder could forget the thermal paste surely?
11:55:00 <Arbition> who knows
11:55:00 <Arbition> Warren1984 needs to give more details of the load condition before we can say whether the thermals are unexpected and erroneous
11:55:09 <Bronies4Bernie> no professional builder could forget the thermal paste surely?
11:56:00 <Arbition> It might just be some guy who is also going to tafe
11:56:00 <Arbition> or the shop isn't hiring competent staff
11:56:00 <Arbition> I don't know why you need to get someone else to do it
11:56:02 <Arbition> who knows
11:56:24 <Arbition> Warren1984 needs to give more details of the load condition before we can say whether the thermals are unexpected and erroneous
11:56:46 <Arbition> It might just be some guy who is also going to tafe
11:56:57 <Arbition> or the shop isn't hiring competent staff
11:57:00 <Arbition> I pretty much launched into it after only doing reading
11:57:00 <Arbition> there is very little which is difficult with computer assembly
11:57:00 <Arbition> desktop anyway
11:57:00 <Warren1984> Arbition I put it under a stress test and the fan went much higher
11:57:00 <Arbition> that is normal
11:57:16 <Arbition> I don't know why you need to get someone else to do it
11:57:33 <Arbition> I pretty much launched into it after only doing reading
11:57:41 <Arbition> there is very little which is difficult with computer assembly
11:57:48 <Arbition> desktop anyway
11:58:00 <Warren1984> how do I check the CPU temp
11:58:00 <Warren1984> I know there is some software that can do it
11:58:00 <Arbition> http://www.cpuid.com/softwares/cpu-z.html
11:58:00 <Warren1984> just can't trust any software though
11:58:00 <Arbition> does need admin privs to run though
11:58:00 <Arbition> the low level hardware can't be accessed by the unprivelaged user
11:58:15 <Warren1984> Arbition I put it under a stress test and the fan went much higher
11:58:20 <Arbition> that is normal
11:58:29 <Warren1984> how do I check the CPU temp
11:58:40 <Warren1984> I know there is some software that can do it
11:58:48 <Arbition> http://www.cpuid.com/softwares/cpu-z.html
11:58:53 <Warren1984> just can't trust any software though
11:59:00 <Warren1984> yeah I am the admin
11:59:00 <Arbition> I'm just saying that from a security perspective, this is less than desirable, but for getting the data, it must be done
11:59:03 <Arbition> does need admin privs to run though
11:59:20 <Arbition> the low level hardware can't be accessed by the unprivelaged user
11:59:29 <Warren1984> yeah I am the admin
12:00:00 <Arbition> I run my gaming computer in unpriveleged, forcing it me to prompt for every administrative action
12:00:06 <Arbition> I'm just saying that from a security perspective, this is less than desirable, but for getting the data, it must be done
12:00:34 <Arbition> I run my gaming computer in unpriveleged, forcing it me to prompt for every administrative action
12:02:00 <Warren1984> Arbition I installed that and it doesn't saying anything about the CPU temp
12:02:36 <Warren1984> Arbition I installed that and it doesn't saying anything about the CPU temp
12:03:00 <Arbition> make sure it is running in admin mode, right click and run as administrator
12:03:00 <Arbition> fwiw I run linux most of the time, so I can't replicate anything
12:03:00 <Warren1984> it's a drag drop application
12:03:26 <Arbition> make sure it is running in admin mode, right click and run as administrator
12:03:57 <Arbition> fwiw I run linux most of the time, so I can't replicate anything
12:03:58 <Warren1984> it's a drag drop application
12:04:00 <Bronies4Bernie> I will do it
12:04:00 <Arbition> Hmm, just read on a forum that cpu-z doesn't do temps, its for frequencies
12:04:00 <Arbition> same company does http://www.cpuid.com/softwares/hwmonitor.html
12:04:00 <Arbition> Apologies
12:04:00 <Bronies4Bernie> yep, a lot of info, but not CPU temp
12:04:00 <Arbition> I thought it did do temps
12:04:35 <Bronies4Bernie> I will do it
12:04:38 <Arbition> Hmm, just read on a forum that cpu-z doesn't do temps, its for frequencies
12:04:47 <Arbition> same company does http://www.cpuid.com/softwares/hwmonitor.html
12:05:00 <Arbition> I installed it when I overclocked my gaming PC
12:05:00 <Arbition> Pentium 3258, pushing 4.4 (or was it 4.5) GHz, but only 2 cores
12:05:00 <Arbition> good for single threaded stuff
12:05:03 <Arbition> Apologies
12:05:05 <Bronies4Bernie> yep, a lot of info, but not CPU temp
12:05:18 <Arbition> I thought it did do temps
12:05:36 <Arbition> I installed it when I overclocked my gaming PC
12:05:59 <Arbition> Pentium 3258, pushing 4.4 (or was it 4.5) GHz, but only 2 cores
12:06:00 <Arbition> unfortunately that generation has passed
12:06:00 <Bronies4Bernie> my ASUS motherboard control panel is where I usually get the CPU temp from
12:06:00 <Arbition> It was a special edition for intel's 20th anniversary of the pentium brand
12:06:00 <Arbition> they haven't given it an encore
12:06:00 <Arbition> So there are no other overclockable cheap 2 cores available
12:06:08 <Arbition> good for single threaded stuff
12:06:33 <Arbition> unfortunately that generation has passed
12:06:35 <Bronies4Bernie> my ASUS motherboard control panel is where I usually get the CPU temp from
12:06:40 <Arbition> It was a special edition for intel's 20th anniversary of the pentium brand
12:06:56 <Arbition> they haven't given it an encore
12:07:00 <Arbition> from intel anywya
12:07:00 <Bronies4Bernie> currently 51 degrees, which is a bit high, but I haven't rebooted this machine for a few weeks, so probably a lot of crud processes running
12:07:00 <Arbition> 51 isn't high if there is some load
12:07:00 <Bronies4Bernie> it should be about 40
12:07:12 <Arbition> So there are no other overclockable cheap 2 cores available
12:07:29 <Arbition> from intel anywya
12:07:33 <Bronies4Bernie> currently 51 degrees, which is a bit high, but I haven't rebooted this machine for a few weeks, so probably a lot of crud processes running
12:07:43 <Arbition> 51 isn't high if there is some load
12:08:00 <Arbition> the lifetime won't be affected until it gets over 60C
12:08:00 <Bronies4Bernie> also I have not cleaned the fans in over a year
12:08:00 <Arbition> lol
12:08:00 <Arbition> does it have a filter?
12:08:00 <Arbition> teh case that is
12:08:00 <Arbition> and are all the inlets covered by them
12:08:03 <Bronies4Bernie> it should be about 40
12:08:33 <Arbition> the lifetime won't be affected until it gets over 60C
12:08:52 <Bronies4Bernie> also I have not cleaned the fans in over a year
12:08:56 <Arbition> lol
12:09:00 <Bronies4Bernie> yes, though they are quite dusty on the surface
12:09:00 <Arbition> that means there should only be fine dust, that stuff doesn't clump together that easily
12:09:00 <Bronies4Bernie> it has a grill like gauze in front of the inlet/outlet fans
12:09:00 <Arbition> good
12:09:02 <Arbition> does it have a filter?
12:09:09 <Arbition> teh case that is
12:09:18 <Arbition> and are all the inlets covered by them
12:09:30 <Bronies4Bernie> yes, though they are quite dusty on the surface
12:09:54 <Arbition> that means there should only be fine dust, that stuff doesn't clump together that easily
12:09:55 <Bronies4Bernie> it has a grill like gauze in front of the inlet/outlet fans
12:10:00 <Arbition> good
12:10:00 <Arbition> I find the filter in the front of the antec 300 series to be a good compromise between keeping out larger dust particles and not overworking the fans
12:10:00 <Bronies4Bernie> I hate taking this machine apart though, it's small case and so the internals are very compact, so everything must be taken in and out in sequence
12:11:00 <Arbition> you still need blow out dust, but it is fine dust, so it comes out fairly easily
12:11:00 <Bronies4Bernie> yes, just one of those chores I should do
12:11:15 <Arbition> I find the filter in the front of the antec 300 series to be a good compromise between keeping out larger dust particles and not overworking the fans
12:11:16 <Bronies4Bernie> I hate taking this machine apart though, it's small case and so the internals are very compact, so everything must be taken in and out in sequence
12:11:36 <Arbition> you still need blow out dust, but it is fine dust, so it comes out fairly easily
12:11:48 <Bronies4Bernie> yes, just one of those chores I should do
12:14:00 <Bronies4Bernie> Warren1984, look in your Programs menu, there could be a set of utilities from the motherboard manufacturer, which should tell you the CPU temperature
12:15:13 <Bronies4Bernie> Warren1984, look in your Programs menu, there could be a set of utilities from the motherboard manufacturer, which should tell you the CPU temperature
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14:07:00 <Warren1984> ok thanks Tigger_
14:08:00 <tonic> gday Warren1984
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14:08:25 <Warren1984> ok thanks Tigger_
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14:08:49 <tonic> gday Warren1984
14:09:00 <Tigger_> my CPU temperature is currently 42 degrees, after a reboot
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14:09:37 <Tigger_> my CPU temperature is currently 42 degrees, after a reboot
14:10:00 <Warren1984> u need more fans
14:11:00 <Warren1984> Call of duty black ops III requires 58GB to install
14:11:12 <Warren1984> u need more fans
14:11:40 <Warren1984> Call of duty black ops III requires 58GB to install
14:12:00 <Tigger_> my machine has three case fans
14:12:00 <Tigger_> Noctua brand fans too
14:12:00 <Warren1984> maybe you require water cooling
14:12:00 <tonic> 42 isnt hot
14:12:00 <tonic> LOOOLLL
14:12:28 <Tigger_> my machine has three case fans
14:12:52 <Tigger_> Noctua brand fans too
14:12:55 <Warren1984> maybe you require water cooling
14:13:07 <tonic> 42 isnt hot
14:13:09 <tonic> LOOOLLL
14:14:00 <Tigger_> it is a stock Intel CPU fan
14:15:24 <Tigger_> it is a stock Intel CPU fan
14:17:00 <Tigger_> the new Skylake CPUs don't come with coolers, so that's an additional expense to consider
14:18:21 <Tigger_> the new Skylake CPUs don't come with coolers, so that's an additional expense to consider
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14:20:02 <reptile> Philosopher[{x}] last night told me he got probed by aliens
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14:25:00 <Warren1984> Tigger_ why would they make a game over 58GB?
14:25:49 <Warren1984> Tigger_ why would they make a game over 58GB?
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14:35:00 <Tigger_> to load it up with graphical junk
14:35:00 <Tigger_> I just got 7 comics in the mail
14:36:10 <Tigger_> to load it up with graphical junk
14:36:19 <Tigger_> I just got 7 comics in the mail
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14:49:00 <Arbition> Tigger_: Only the K series (overclockable) ones don't come with a fan
14:49:00 <Arbition> I've built two computers with 6600 (non-K) and they have the aluminum (non-copper core) heatsinks
14:49:29 <Arbition> Tigger_: Only the K series (overclockable) ones don't come with a fan
14:50:00 <Arbition> its cheeky of them
14:50:00 <Tigger_> ah ok, not that overclocking interests me, but the order site I was looking at said none of them did
14:50:13 <Arbition> I've built two computers with 6600 (non-K) and they have the aluminum (non-copper core) heatsinks
14:50:49 <Arbition> its cheeky of them
14:51:00 <Arbition> Maybe they're getting OEM ones rather than boxed
14:51:00 <Tigger_> if they only have aluminium coolers then I'd probably get a third party one anyway
14:51:00 <Tigger_> yes, quite likely
14:51:00 <Arbition> its because they've downrated the TDP
14:51:00 <Arbition> now 63 watts
14:51:00 <Tigger_> TDP?
14:51:00 <Arbition> Thermal Design Power
14:51:25 <Tigger_> ah ok, not that overclocking interests me, but the order site I was looking at said none of them did
14:51:45 <Arbition> Maybe they're getting OEM ones rather than boxed
14:52:00 <Tigger_> ah
14:52:00 <Arbition> basically, the maximum average wattage (because it all turns to heat)
14:52:00 <Arbition> The K series ones are still up in the 80s (of watts) like previous generations
14:52:01 <Tigger_> if they only have aluminium coolers then I'd probably get a third party one anyway
14:52:08 <Tigger_> yes, quite likely
14:52:11 <Arbition> its because they've downrated the TDP
14:52:15 <Arbition> now 63 watts
14:52:17 <Tigger_> TDP?
14:52:26 <Arbition> Thermal Design Power
14:52:48 <Tigger_> ah
14:52:51 <Arbition> basically, the maximum average wattage (because it all turns to heat)
14:53:00 <Arbition> the downrating of the other chips effectively reduces their processing power
14:53:00 <Arbition> meaning that even if you are not overclocking, K series is still a benefit
14:53:21 <Arbition> The K series ones are still up in the 80s (of watts) like previous generations
14:53:53 <Arbition> the downrating of the other chips effectively reduces their processing power
14:54:00 <Arbition> it has been quite a downer for consumers
14:54:13 <Arbition> meaning that even if you are not overclocking, K series is still a benefit
14:55:00 <Arbition> Intel is really harnessing their market dominance, with each generation they've reduced the value for money
14:55:04 <Arbition> it has been quite a downer for consumers
14:55:26 <Arbition> Intel is really harnessing their market dominance, with each generation they've reduced the value for money
14:56:00 <Tigger_> so better to stick to one of the older socket 1150 CPUs for value for money
14:56:32 <Tigger_> so better to stick to one of the older socket 1150 CPUs for value for money
14:57:00 <Arbition> Haswell refresh had some good stuff
14:57:00 <Arbition> such as the pentium I mentioned earlier
14:58:00 <Arbition> the heatsink they gave you was for a 4 core, so you had heaps of thermal headroom for overclocking
14:58:00 <Arbition> Only thing that bothered me about it, is it restricts your memory speed
14:58:14 <Arbition> Haswell refresh had some good stuff
14:58:20 <Arbition> such as the pentium I mentioned earlier
14:58:40 <Arbition> the heatsink they gave you was for a 4 core, so you had heaps of thermal headroom for overclocking
14:58:55 <Arbition> Only thing that bothered me about it, is it restricts your memory speed
15:00:00 <Tigger_> how and why?
15:01:00 <Arbition> The memory is directly connected to the CPU and because intel
15:01:00 <Arbition> at least they found a bug in the chipset code, so you didn't need a Z series chipset to overclock
15:01:00 <Arbition> so you really could do it quite cheap
15:01:21 <Tigger_> how and why?
15:01:46 <Arbition> The memory is directly connected to the CPU and because intel
15:02:12 <Arbition> at least they found a bug in the chipset code, so you didn't need a Z series chipset to overclock
15:02:22 <Arbition> so you really could do it quite cheap
15:05:00 <Tigger_> my old 2009 vintage AMD machine died a few months ago, it had not been my main computer for a few years, but I'm half inclined to replace it anyway, without spending too much if it can be avoided
15:05:57 <Tigger_> my old 2009 vintage AMD machine died a few months ago, it had not been my main computer for a few years, but I'm half inclined to replace it anyway, without spending too much if it can be avoided
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15:38:00 <Arbition> well now that availability has dropped, that might not be easy
15:38:35 <Arbition> well now that availability has dropped, that might not be easy
15:39:00 <Warren1984> Tigger_ get a computer equal to or better than mine
15:39:00 <Tigger_> but then you'd feel bad
15:40:00 <Warren1984> that is the point Tigger_
15:40:00 <Tigger_> why?
15:40:00 <Warren1984> to play games with me
15:40:00 <Warren1984> b1rd, doctor
15:40:12 <Warren1984> Tigger_ get a computer equal to or better than mine
15:40:25 <Tigger_> but then you'd feel bad
15:40:42 <Warren1984> that is the point Tigger_
15:40:50 <Tigger_> why?
15:41:00 <Warren1984> u could download Call of Duty black ops III
15:41:00 <Warren1984> $67 on special
15:41:00 <Warren1984> over 58GB download
15:41:01 <Warren1984> to play games with me
15:41:08 <Warren1984> b1rd, doctor
15:41:29 <Warren1984> u could download Call of Duty black ops III
15:41:35 <Warren1984> $67 on special
15:41:43 <Warren1984> over 58GB download
15:42:00 <Tigger_> I don't like CoD though
15:42:00 <Tigger_> no spaceships
15:43:12 <Tigger_> I don't like CoD though
15:43:21 <Tigger_> no spaceships
15:46:00 <Warren1984> Cod is a fish
15:47:04 <Warren1984> Cod is a fish
15:50:00 <Tigger_> for $67 you could get 13 games for under $5 on Steam
15:50:59 <Tigger_> for $67 you could get 13 games for under $5 on Steam
15:52:00 <Arbition> nah, no point in racing the specs race
15:53:00 <Arbition> It is like putting a massive turbo on the engine. Sure you will get high figures on the dyno, but its not going to help on the road
15:53:19 <Arbition> nah, no point in racing the specs race
15:54:06 <Arbition> It is like putting a massive turbo on the engine. Sure you will get high figures on the dyno, but its not going to help on the road
15:55:00 <Tigger_> games are designed to play on lowest common denominator hardware to maximised market potential, and the Alienware Alpha is well above that floor
15:56:24 <Tigger_> games are designed to play on lowest common denominator hardware to maximised market potential, and the Alienware Alpha is well above that floor
15:57:00 <Arbition> yeah, there is a minumum graphics, but once you've got this, extra graphics isn't really going to give you much more enjoyment from the game
15:58:26 <Arbition> yeah, there is a minumum graphics, but once you've got this, extra graphics isn't really going to give you much more enjoyment from the game
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16:08:00 <Tigger_> there is a perverse enjoyment in boasting higher specs
16:09:00 <Arbition> Yes I know
16:09:14 <Tigger_> there is a perverse enjoyment in boasting higher specs
16:10:10 <Arbition> Yes I know
16:10:18 <Arbition> having that capacity sounds good
16:10:24 <Arbition> its like having a large fridge
16:10:32 <Arbition> you think, I could store so much stuff in it
16:10:37 <Arbition> but would you? Would you really?
16:10:46 <Tigger_> well I couldn't
16:11:38 <Tigger_> it would not be without practical benefit though, such as putting everything on the one shelf so I don't have to bend down to the lower shelves
16:11:49 <Tigger_> my most infuriating first world problem
16:12:12 <Arbition> but like a higher spec computer, you pay more to buy it and to run it
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16:13:37 <Tigger_> yep
16:14:28 <Tigger_> this machine has a $40 graphics card, mainly because I wanted one without a fan, so as to reduce noise
16:18:15 <Tigger_> I've found it useful to have such a low power card because any of the game stuff I've coded will likely work on anything, and I have hit performance ceilings with this card, such as using shaders, or how many particle effects are possible without slowdown
16:27:30 <Arbition> if I could make custom heatpipes and heatsinks
16:27:50 <Arbition> I'd have a room that is full of heatsink towers and it'd all be silent
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16:34:47 <Warren1984> <@Tigger_> games are designed to play on lowest common denominator hardware to maximised market potential, and the Alienware Alpha is well above that floor
16:34:47 <Warren1984> <Arbition> yeah, there is a minumum graphics, but once you've got this, extra graphics isn't really going to give you much more enjoyment from the game <- yeah but you don't want to overload it
16:35:28 <Warren1984> It's like driving a V6 200KM/h all day vs a 4 cylinder all day
16:35:36 <Warren1984> too much stress on the 4 cylinder
16:36:24 <shopping^trolly> shoosh Warren1984
16:37:11 <Arbition> No, not really Warren1984
16:37:23 <Warren1984> the minimum on COD is 1GB GPU
16:37:35 <Warren1984> so 2GB would be plenty for the time been
16:37:42 <Arbition> The thermals are the primary determinant of chip life
16:38:00 <Arbition> cars have moving parts which are a lot more complicated
16:38:00 <Warren1984> in 2-3 years 2-3GB will be the minimum
16:38:34 <Arbition> transistors are very tolerant of being switched on and off all day long
16:39:16 <Arbition> If anything is going to kill chips, it is heat or shitty power supplies
16:39:20 <Warren1984> well my electronics lecturer told me this
16:39:42 <Warren1984> If you want 750Watt
16:39:49 <Warren1984> u need to install 1000watt
16:40:04 <Warren1984> then the power supply should never be a problem
16:40:12 <Arbition> Nah that's not good enough
16:40:15 <Warren1984> my ex-computer worked fine for 5 years
16:40:18 <Arbition> the ATX standard is pretty loose
16:40:26 <Arbition> you need good quality power supplies
16:40:30 <Warren1984> but the motherboard started making scratch noises
16:40:31 <Arbition> with tight tolerances on ripple and noise
16:40:51 <Arbition> also note that power supplies from off brands are not as high as they rate
16:41:08 <Arbition> A proper brand like seasonic will supply its rating all day long fine
16:41:23 <Arbition> because they've already engineered that buffer in
16:41:36 <Arbition> and all the thermal requirements have been well evaluated
16:42:43 <Arbition> if you're after power efficiency though, most power supplies have best power efficiency around 50% of its load rating
16:43:07 <Arbition> Power supply review sites will show load-efficiency curves
16:43:21 <Arbition> good ones that is
16:43:34 <Arbition> If they haven't torn down the power supply, and done load curve testing, it is a bad review
16:43:52 <Arbition> the best will test the power supplies in 50C ambient
16:45:48 <Warren1984> problem with getting these fancy ones is they cost too much
16:46:02 <Arbition> but they will last forever
16:46:20 <Arbition> you say fancy, but they are not going to kill your stuff either
16:46:31 <Warren1984> so in 20 years time power supplies will still be the same?
16:47:08 <Warren1984> the biggest is 1,500 Watt I think
16:47:29 <Warren1984> in 20 years that will be 2,400 Watt
16:47:30 <Arbition> 20 I couldn't say whether they will be obsolete, but last 10 years, sure. I've run mine for 5 already
16:47:41 <Arbition> Uh, no
16:47:44 <Warren1984> with 4TB GPU
16:47:53 <Arbition> We can make 2,400W PSUs now
16:47:57 <Arbition> very very easily
16:48:42 <Arbition> the problem is, they would draw 12 amps @ 240v, which your house mains will not supply on one plug
16:48:44 <Warren1984> the RAM in 20 years will be 16PB at 28000GHz
16:48:52 <Arbition> unlikely
16:49:04 <Arbition> haven't you heard that moores law has already failed
16:49:06 <Warren1984> 10 amps is usually the max
16:49:12 <Arbition> that is correct Warren1984
16:49:17 <Warren1984> 240 x 10 = 2,400volts
16:49:33 <Warren1984> I mean 2,400 volts
16:49:34 <Arbition> I was including efficiency losses in the 12 amps
16:49:40 <Arbition> watts
16:49:42 <Arbition> not volts
16:49:49 <Warren1984> watts yes
16:50:03 <Arbition> Power supplies never played by the moores law curve
16:50:05 <Warren1984> shit repeated the mistake twice, shows how bad my working memory is
16:50:21 <Arbition> its a completely different technology
16:50:51 <Arbition> not even remotely related to transistor density
16:50:57 <Arbition> By the ATX standard, you could use a power supply from 10 years ago for some applications
16:51:53 <Arbition> also, the reason it has topped out at 1,500watts is because of the US power standard, of 110v, with a 15 amp plug
16:57:26 <Arbition> The problem with graphics cards is that they have power supplies on board too, which is much harder to choose. So when you buy a graphics card with the same chip for a lower price, it means they've skimped on the support electronics
16:57:43 <Arbition> ...and you don't know which ones
16:58:01 <Arbition> Graphics card reviews rarely deal with the DC-DC power supply on board.
16:58:12 <Arbition> The point is well demonstrated by the extremely low failure rate of CPUs
16:58:36 <Arbition> less than 1%, despite being amongst the most complex devices in transistor silicon terms
16:58:43 <Arbition> from both AMD and Intel
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16:58:50 <Arbition> within about 3 years
17:01:00 <Arbition> meanwhile, motherboards have the highest failure rate, which don't have much in the way of very complex silicon on board, basically just the ICH/southbridge
17:01:10 <Arbition> but lots and lots of support electronics
17:01:48 <Arbition> This happens because the quality of support electronics is difficult to measure, whereas performance is a simple metric of the silicon
17:02:06 <Arbition> server gear is known to last a decade running non-stop
17:02:19 <Arbition> its not the silicon which is (significantly) different, it is the support electronics
17:04:25 <Arbition> This, is why you don't poo-poo "fancy" power supplies
17:05:50 <Arbition> That being said however, there is a point where quality can't continue getting much better
17:05:59 <Arbition> against price
17:06:42 <Arbition> So you have to read reviews, where they check ripple, load testing, noise, thermals, and do a component analysis
17:07:33 <Arbition> at the very high end, it mostly becomes an efficiency race
17:08:22 <Arbition> which you can calculate your upfront cost vs price of power lost to efficiency comparisons with other power supplies
17:08:37 <Arbition> over a period of, say, 5 years, or even 10
17:09:09 <Arbition> the power supply I have at home I've now had for 6 years, and its still fine, as best I can tell
17:09:26 <Arbition> brought over from the previous build
17:09:59 <Arbition> not that it has had a particularly harsh life, but there are no signs of obsolescence yet
17:10:02 <shopping^trolly> jesus man
17:10:04 <shopping^trolly> stop typing
17:10:12 <shopping^trolly> no one cares about your fucking power supply
17:11:18 <Arbition> Must not be much happening if you had to come here to complain
17:14:50 <ajnin> hi
17:15:46 <Arbition> y'ello
17:15:50 <ajnin> i happen to love powersupply reviews
17:16:01 <ajnin> i got a seasonic bronze 750
17:16:05 <Arbition> cool
17:16:07 <ajnin> its about 8 years old I think
17:16:14 <ajnin> was like 240 back then
17:16:20 <ajnin> never missed a trick
17:16:30 <Arbition> my server has an OEM series 350w, and that drives 12 3.5 in hard drives
17:16:38 <Arbition> (from seasonic)
17:16:50 <shopping^trolly> seasonic is a shit brand
17:17:07 <Arbition> Says you, it is regarded as the industry leader
17:17:22 <shopping^trolly> it is regarded as a piece of shit mate
17:17:29 <ajnin> shopping^trolly when I got it it was rated well on a number of sites
17:17:39 <ajnin> anyway it has does its job
17:17:45 <ajnin> so I dont give a fuck
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17:17:59 <ajnin> Arbition seems to know what he is talking about
17:18:10 <Arbition> Outside of computer power supplies it might not do so well
17:18:17 <ajnin> shopping^trolly you seem like a angry old cunt who needs to go rub one out
17:18:18 <Arbition> who knows
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17:18:32 <shopping^trolly> Here comes fun
17:18:43 <shopping^trolly> you two can talk about your power supply shit
17:18:45 <shopping^trolly> mrwuf
17:18:47 <Arbition> At work, we use meanwell power supplies for loads of amps
17:18:50 <shopping^trolly> mrwuf how are you gft?
17:19:11 <ajnin> at my work we just use whatever HP pack in their servers
17:19:16 <Arbition> ah yeah
17:19:22 <Arbition> server gear is generally fine
17:19:27 <ajnin> yea
17:19:27 <Arbition> I meant for non-computer stuff
17:19:31 <ajnin> ahhhhhh
17:19:34 <ajnin> i work in IT
17:19:42 <ajnin> so its a small world for me
17:19:43 <Arbition> we basically use them to dump loads of power into water
17:19:53 <ajnin> why ?
17:20:01 <mrwuf> eltrocplating?
17:20:08 <Arbition> not quite, but close
17:20:19 <Arbition> it does cause the metal to go into solution etc
17:20:35 <Arbition> but its for making water contaminants attach to the metal in the water and settle out
17:20:36 <mrwuf> cool
17:20:38 <shopping^trolly> It is Electroplating
17:20:45 <shopping^trolly> Arbition just cant say you are right
17:20:55 <shopping^trolly> he thinks everyone is wrong but himself
17:20:59 <shopping^trolly> he is a an awkward loser
17:21:33 <mrwuf> wouldn't it be chaaper to just use electric ells
17:21:39 <Arbition> eels?
17:22:00 <shopping^trolly> see
17:22:06 <shopping^trolly> he couldnt let the typo slide
17:22:14 <Arbition> No I actually don't know what he means
17:22:16 <shopping^trolly> everyone knows what mrwuf meant to say.
17:22:22 <Arbition> what then, shopping^trolly?
17:22:39 <mrwuf> then your going to need some sharks with laser beams attached to their heads to guard electric eels
17:22:50 <Arbition> lol
17:23:10 <shopping^trolly> Arbition have you always been an awkward bastard?
17:23:17 <Arbition> that isn't answering my question
17:23:25 <Arbition> Are you struggling to prove your point?
17:23:34 <shopping^trolly> ?
17:23:35 <shopping^trolly> no
17:23:42 <shopping^trolly> Arbition have you always been an awkward bastard?
17:23:57 <Arbition> I asked a question first, I will be most pleased if you answered first
17:24:08 <shopping^trolly> whar question?
17:24:13 <shopping^trolly> oh that
17:24:15 <shopping^trolly> yes
17:24:15 <shopping^trolly> eels
17:24:19 <shopping^trolly> he was trying to say eels
17:24:22 <shopping^trolly> obviously
17:24:23 <shopping^trolly> now
17:24:25 <Arbition> no its not
17:24:29 <Arbition> he could have been meaning cells
17:24:31 <shopping^trolly> Arbition have you always been an awkward bastard?
17:24:33 <mrwuf> http://imgur.com/r/Whatcouldgowrong/Kx8YXlF
17:24:44 <Arbition> shopping^trolly: If you call this awkward, then yes
17:24:55 <shopping^trolly> Very awkward
17:24:59 <Arbition> ok
17:25:10 <shopping^trolly> you are a weird cunt
17:25:25 <shopping^trolly> still got that lame beard thing happening?
17:25:37 <Arbition> I've changed my beard many times
17:25:55 <shopping^trolly> each time as awkard as the last i would assume
17:26:05 <Arbition> I wouldn't know, I apparently can't judge
17:26:27 <Arbition> Maybe I don't care, because I keep doing different stuff
17:26:27 <shopping^trolly> You can judge but your judgements are alway deluded
17:26:36 <shopping^trolly> as you are an awkward bastard
17:27:11 <Arbition> Meanwhile you couldn't tell that other people were trying to change the subject
17:27:26 <Arbition> away from your lame insults
17:27:41 <Arbition> <ajnin> shopping^trolly you seem like a angry old cunt who needs to go rub one out
17:27:44 <shopping^trolly> back to the exciting topic of power supply
17:28:00 <Arbition> Hey, just because it doesn't interest you, doesn't mean other people aren't
17:28:26 <shopping^trolly> Only an awkward bastard would enjoy that topic
17:28:42 <Arbition> So this channel is full of awkward bastards then
17:28:47 <Arbition> whoop de doo
17:29:01 <shopping^trolly> more so you
17:29:10 <shopping^trolly> You are the king of the awkward bastards
17:29:17 <shopping^trolly> the others show signs of being human
17:29:20 <Arbition> Oh of course, you have to say that because you're attacking me
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17:29:24 <shopping^trolly> you are just an annoying git
17:29:29 <Arbition> <ajnin> shopping^trolly you seem like a angry old cunt who needs to go rub one out
17:29:33 <Arbition> You sure about that?
17:29:39 <shopping^trolly> what about it?
17:29:46 <Arbition> that I am the annoying git
17:29:48 <Arbition> and not you
17:29:55 <Arbition> speaking of delusions...
17:30:00 <shopping^trolly> You are
17:30:02 <shopping^trolly> like usual
17:30:34 <Arbition> yeah this is going in circles, nothing new to see here, shopping^trolly just doing his one trick pony routine
17:30:41 <Arbition> laters
17:30:57 <shopping^trolly> see ya git
17:32:58 <mrwuf> ah another beautiful sunny day in tropical queensland
17:36:44 <mrwuf> http://firstwefeast.com/eat/blood-guacamole-mexican-cartels-run-avocado-trade-and-extort-farmers/
17:37:46 <Arbition> heh, this reminds me of what happened with qinoa, making the once staple food of a whole bunch of people unaffordable so rich hipsters can talk about how healthy they are
17:38:32 <mrwuf> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3537371/Swiss-banking-whistleblower-claims-CIA-Panama-Papers-leak-named-enemies-United-States.html
17:39:40 <mrwuf> no evidence supplied but thats good enough for the daily mails standard
17:39:42 <Arbition> Seems odd, highly embarrasing for the UK Prime Minister
17:40:47 <Arbition> the leak that is, not this guy
17:40:58 <mrwuf> ya
17:41:28 <Arbition> I should check if Iceland is still trying to lynch their Prime Minister
17:41:49 <mrwuf> also found this article thats really interesting about Chinese investors buying property in canada, probably direct parallels with australia http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/02/22/chinas-rich-kids-head-west
17:42:53 <Arbition> The western trade deficit is being paid back with this, imo
17:42:55 <mrwuf> search for Belgium Health Minister
17:43:08 <Arbition> the price we pay for getting and letting china do all our shit
17:43:34 <Arbition> wow yeah that is a conflict of interest
17:43:40 <mrwuf> lol
17:45:42 <Arbition> Reminds me of some girl who was bitching that being fat is normal and all the supposed health problems associated with obesity were the result of the media trying to push thin as attractive
17:46:15 <Arbition> so I lead her through some mental hoops and got her to say that, social outcomes are more important than the truth
17:49:39 <mrwuf> yea thats a tricky space to navigate, emotions and feelings attached to false perceptions
17:50:35 <Arbition> oh yeah, I mean, she felt like she was being rejected because of it, so this is how she rationalised it
17:51:22 <Arbition> She didn't try to hide her reasoning in this respect at all
17:51:54 <mrwuf> in a logic argument she cannot win so the temptation is to revert to emotional one
17:52:01 <mrwuf> people do this in unhealthy relationships
17:52:34 <Arbition> emotional co-dependance...
17:52:55 <mrwuf> keeping the discussion away from "her" body and talking about other peoples is probably easier, I use loaded questions that lead to where I want the thinking to go
17:53:44 <mrwuf> "well why do you think "she" has a boyfriend? is it her personality? your way cooler than she is... I think its just physical... her diet probably avoids highly sugary foods thats all it is eh
17:54:37 <Arbition> fair to say though, the genes which are really worth passing on are much harder to measure
17:54:52 <Arbition> Longevity is hard to measure for example
17:55:05 <Arbition> who goes around looking at a persons grandparents to decide if a person is worth having children with
17:55:08 <mrwuf> its a successful strategy when your losing an argument to change the subject, peoples attention spans are kind of in the present but its easy to call and spot and even more effective is to ignore the question or subject and change it back without missing a beat
17:55:46 <Arbition> Intelligence is also a pretty good trait to have
17:56:07 <mrwuf> yea theres all different sorts of love, emotional, intellectual, physical
17:56:18 <Arbition> Appearance is important, but this seems to be through evolutionary self-reinforcement, what external purpose does it serve?
17:56:34 <mrwuf> well theres a natural link between health and beauty
17:57:06 <Arbition> True, disease could do strange things to peoples appearance, but these days this is less of an issue
17:57:26 <mrwuf> this fat acceptable movement are misplacing their energy if they think its easier to break the link between health and attractiveness than it is to control what they put down their throat holes
17:57:46 <Arbition> absolutely
17:57:59 <Arbition> the way our bodies work isn't a matter of perception
17:58:15 <mrwuf> well I think we're probably getting worse since lots of illness that probably would of stopped a person from transferring their genetic traits enables them to pass them on
17:58:16 <Arbition> I meant for things like facial structure though
17:58:36 <Arbition> Actually that is true
17:58:53 <Arbition> we'll moved from aquired disease to more genetic disease
17:59:18 <Arbition> Which is a conundrum for anyone who believes in human rights
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17:59:44 <President_Trump> loollllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll
17:59:45 <Arbition> because it is a right to let people have a family, but then some people will be born with disadvantage at a higher rate
18:00:08 <mrwuf> like that movie idiocracy
18:00:13 <Arbition> lol
18:00:19 <Arbition> I do like that movie
18:00:20 <mrwuf> it feels like I'm quoting them movie more and more lately
18:00:27 <Arbition> Whether it'll come to pass is questionable
18:00:31 <Arbition> but it does raise questions
18:00:39 <Arbition> which are worth exploring
18:00:59 <mrwuf> I like the liberal idea of allowing people the ability to destroy themselves
18:01:31 <President_Trump> just PIGGED DOWN a coles icecream sandwich, pretty good for 75 cents each
18:01:33 <Arbition> This is exactly why I was talking about how good selection criteria for the future is hard to measure
18:02:09 <Arbition> On the current course, we really could focus so much on looks at the expense of other things due to the infrastructure we've created
18:02:25 <mrwuf> beauty is the only measure we can be sure of, truth or good are subjective or relative measurements
18:02:39 <Arbition> Because instinct tells us
18:02:53 <Arbition> the matter of truth is irrelevant because it is a closed system
18:03:13 <Arbition> That's the self-reinforcing thing I was talking about
18:03:51 <mrwuf> theres a quote that goes truth and reality are perceived differently from diverse points of view, no single one of which is complete
18:04:51 <mrwuf> the only black/white sort of measure that I rely on is strength or weakness
18:05:16 <Arbition> Hm? What is strength and weakness
18:05:21 <Arbition> as in physical
18:05:26 <Arbition> or are we talking mental as well
18:09:48 <mrwuf> any choice
18:10:01 <mrwuf> is this a strong choice or a weak one
18:10:14 <Arbition> Oh sorry, I missed that
18:10:19 <Arbition> I thought you meant with respect to a person
18:10:43 <mrwuf> truth is really just an opinion
18:10:50 <mrwuf> most often whats "true" is just whats popular
18:11:13 <Arbition> Ah nice, you agree that universal truth is pretty much non-existent then?
18:12:13 <mrwuf> we can't know anything for certain
18:12:26 <Arbition> I heartily agree
18:12:45 <mrwuf> this could all be an hallucination and we're merely dreaming this conversation
18:12:46 <Arbition> an important philosophical underpinning that
18:12:54 <Arbition> yes
18:13:17 <Arbition> The brain is not the perfect perciever and even has mechanisms built in to be imperfect beyond physical impossibilities
18:14:31 <mrwuf> exactly
18:15:25 <Arbition> I know its a bias, buuuut
18:15:29 <Arbition> High 5!
18:15:37 <mrwuf> we know only two realities... awake and sleeping... were our eyes able to see X-rays we could see through walls
18:15:58 <Arbition> Even when we are awake we don't truely see
18:16:14 <Arbition> Did you ever see that movie with Robin Williams, where he has that lifetime recorder?
18:16:35 <mrwuf> mm I don't think so
18:16:39 <Arbition> aww thats a shame
18:16:51 <Arbition> I pretty much just stated the premise, so I'll get on with this
18:17:37 <Arbition> He is able to look at his own recording device, and finds out an experience he had when he was young, he doesn't remember accurately, what was in the recorder was nowhere near as galling as the experience he remembered
18:17:50 <Arbition> The thought he saw blood, but it was just a paint tin
18:17:54 <Arbition> *he
18:18:40 <Arbition> actually that gives away a lot of the plot, whoops
18:18:46 <Arbition> he was not supposed to have one of those
18:18:53 <Arbition> anyway, I've got to move
18:18:54 <mrwuf> hehe
18:18:59 <Arbition> nice agreeing with you
18:19:05 <mrwuf> same :)
18:39:58 <mrwuf> risky link of the day http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israel-s-weapon-exports-to-rwanda-during-genocide-to-stay-secret-following-supreme-court-ruling-a6981911.html
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19:15:00 <Lish> I think I have a sore tooth
19:16:14 <Lish> I think I have a sore tooth
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19:31:00 <ajnin> dentist time
19:31:00 <Lish> Yup
19:31:32 <ajnin> dentist time
19:32:00 <ajnin> i got twice a year
19:32:00 <ajnin> 0 fillings
19:32:20 <Lish> Yup
19:32:44 <ajnin> i got twice a year
19:32:50 <ajnin> 0 fillings
19:33:00 <Lish> Ever?
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19:34:21 <Lish> Ever?
19:39:00 <Warren1984> Lish get a pair of pliers and pull it out
19:39:48 <Warren1984> Lish get a pair of pliers and pull it out
19:40:00 <President_Trump> is ball hog retired now?
19:40:00 <Lish> Yuh watching it now
19:40:00 <President_Trump> oh its on espnigger
19:40:00 <Lish> Lamar spoke on the Kobe video
19:40:00 <President_Trump> 45 shots lolllllllllllllllllll
19:40:00 <Lish> I recorded it
19:40:00 <President_Trump> how many points did he score?
19:40:00 <Lish> But I think he made 60
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19:40:30 <President_Trump> is ball hog retired now?
19:40:52 <Lish> Yuh watching it now
19:41:00 <President_Trump> theres only 3 mins left
19:41:00 <President_Trump> did we make the playoffs? (heat)
19:41:00 <Lish> Yes
19:41:01 <President_Trump> oh its on espnigger
19:41:05 <Lish> Lamar spoke on the Kobe video
19:41:07 <President_Trump> 45 shots lolllllllllllllllllll
19:41:10 <Lish> I recorded it
19:41:15 <President_Trump> how many points did he score?
19:41:16 <Lish> But I think he made 60
19:41:40 <President_Trump> theres only 3 mins left
19:41:57 <President_Trump> did we make the playoffs? (heat)
19:42:00 <Lish> Second or third I think
19:42:16 <Lish> Yes
19:42:25 <Lish> Second or third I think
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19:44:00 <President_Trump> thats good, we should win it
19:44:00 <Lish> Hahahah
19:45:00 <President_Trump> jay z there what a loser
19:45:00 <President_Trump> 19-47
19:45:14 <President_Trump> thats good, we should win it
19:45:21 <Lish> Hahahah
19:45:39 <President_Trump> jay z there what a loser
19:45:54 <President_Trump> 19-47
19:46:00 <better`person`than`u> u fucks
19:46:00 <President_Trump> jack nicholson attending his one game per year
19:46:00 <thestig> hi
19:46:00 <better`person`than`u> u snapp these cunts out of theri
19:46:00 <better`person`than`u> snap these cunts
19:46:00 <better`person`than`u> out of there
19:46:00 <better`person`than`u> oh im so high and mighty
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19:46:42 <better`person`than`u> u fucks
19:46:43 <better`person`than`u> u fucks
19:46:44 <better`person`than`u> u fucks
19:46:52 <President_Trump> jack nicholson attending his one game per year
19:46:53 <thestig> hi
19:46:56 <better`person`than`u> u snapp these cunts out of theri
19:46:58 <better`person`than`u> u snapp these cunts out of theri
19:46:59 <better`person`than`u> u fucks
19:47:00 <better`person`than`u> b4 i slit throats
19:47:00 <better`person`than`u> im pissed off
19:47:00 <thestig> ill cut u up
19:47:00 <President_Trump> did warriors win Lish monger
19:47:05 <better`person`than`u> snap these cunts
19:47:08 <better`person`than`u> out of there
19:47:17 <better`person`than`u> oh im so high and mighty
19:47:30 <better`person`than`u> b4 i slit throats
19:47:31 <better`person`than`u> b4 i slit throats
19:47:32 <better`person`than`u> b4 i slit throats
19:47:39 <better`person`than`u> im pissed off
19:47:52 <thestig> ill cut u up
19:48:00 <better`person`than`u> President_Trump
19:48:00 <better`person`than`u> u shut up
19:48:00 <better`person`than`u> ur first
19:48:00 <better`person`than`u> on my list
19:48:00 <President_Trump> is that you david?
19:48:00 <better`person`than`u> of ppl
19:48:00 <better`person`than`u> to stab
19:48:23 <President_Trump> did warriors win Lish monger
19:48:35 <better`person`than`u> President_Trump
19:48:38 <better`person`than`u> u shut up
19:48:41 <better`person`than`u> ur first
19:48:44 <better`person`than`u> on my list
19:48:45 <President_Trump> is that you david?
19:48:46 <better`person`than`u> of ppl
19:48:50 <better`person`than`u> to stab
19:48:53 <better`person`than`u> ur first
19:48:56 <better`person`than`u> on my list
19:48:59 <better`person`than`u> of ppl
19:49:00 <President_Trump> this defending is awful
19:49:00 <better`person`than`u> idiot
19:49:00 <better`person`than`u> u fuck off for good
19:49:00 <better`person`than`u> President_Trump
19:49:00 <better`person`than`u> or u are dead man
19:49:00 <President_Trump> oh that you piss
19:49:00 <President_Trump> how u mate?
19:49:00 <better`person`than`u> i will kill u
19:49:00 <President_Trump> why?
19:49:00 <better`person`than`u> if i see u again
19:49:00 <President_Trump> we are friends
19:49:01 <better`person`than`u> to stab
19:49:28 <President_Trump> this defending is awful
19:49:39 <better`person`than`u> idiot
19:49:46 <better`person`than`u> u fuck off for good
19:49:47 <better`person`than`u> President_Trump
19:49:52 <better`person`than`u> or u are dead man
19:49:53 <better`person`than`u> or u are dead man
19:49:54 <better`person`than`u> or u are dead man
19:49:54 <better`person`than`u> President_Trump
19:50:00 <better`person`than`u> no we are now
19:50:00 <better`person`than`u> t
19:50:00 <better`person`than`u> not
19:50:00 <President_Trump> yes we are
19:50:00 <President_Trump> lovers
19:50:00 <better`person`than`u> are u jen
19:50:00 <better`person`than`u> i only love her
19:50:00 <President_Trump> jen is here with me yes
19:50:00 <better`person`than`u> man im schizophrenic
19:50:02 <President_Trump> oh that you piss
19:50:03 <President_Trump> how u mate?
19:50:12 <better`person`than`u> i will kill u
19:50:17 <President_Trump> why?
19:50:18 <better`person`than`u> if i see u again
19:50:19 <President_Trump> we are friends
19:50:26 <better`person`than`u> no we are now
19:50:27 <better`person`than`u> t
19:50:29 <better`person`than`u> not
19:50:31 <President_Trump> yes we are
19:50:35 <President_Trump> lovers
19:50:43 <better`person`than`u> are u jen
19:50:49 <better`person`than`u> i only love her
19:50:54 <President_Trump> jen is here with me yes
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19:51:00 <better`person`than`u> i dont need to be done in more
19:51:00 <better`person`than`u> do u have a fucken heart
19:51:00 <President_Trump> make a video expressing your feelings
19:51:00 <thestig> trump is correct
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19:51:16 <better`person`than`u> man im schizophrenic
19:51:25 <better`person`than`u> i dont need to be done in more
19:51:34 <better`person`than`u> do u have a fucken heart
19:51:35 <better`person`than`u> do u have a fucken heart
19:51:36 <better`person`than`u> do u have a fucken heart
19:51:37 <better`person`than`u> do u have a fucken heart
19:51:45 <President_Trump> make a video expressing your feelings
19:51:55 <thestig> trump is correct
19:52:00 <Lish> Yuh warriors won
19:52:00 <thestig> i dont watch soccer
19:52:00 <Lish> So?
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19:52:44 <Lish> Yuh warriors won
19:53:00 <better`person`than`u> bitch here now
19:53:00 <Lish> Who's talking about soccer
19:53:00 <better`person`than`u> or i kill myself
19:53:00 <Lish> better`person`than`u: shutup
19:53:00 <better`person`than`u> and u all get investigated
19:53:00 <better`person`than`u> ome start
19:53:00 <better`person`than`u> come
19:53:00 <Lish> Shutup
19:53:00 <better`person`than`u> here now
19:53:00 <better`person`than`u> or im dead
19:53:00 <better`person`than`u> u all get investigated
19:53:06 <thestig> i dont watch soccer
19:53:21 <Lish> So?
19:53:27 <better`person`than`u> bitch here now
19:53:31 <Lish> Who's talking about soccer
19:53:34 <better`person`than`u> or i kill myself
19:53:42 <Lish> better`person`than`u: shutup
19:53:45 <better`person`than`u> and u all get investigated
19:53:46 <better`person`than`u> and u all get investigated
19:53:47 <better`person`than`u> and u all get investigated
19:53:53 <better`person`than`u> ome start
19:53:55 <better`person`than`u> come
19:53:57 <better`person`than`u> ome start
19:53:58 <better`person`than`u> ome start
19:53:59 <better`person`than`u> ome start
19:54:00 <better`person`than`u> and i prove my point
19:54:00 <better`person`than`u> once and for all
19:54:00 <Lish> Shhhh
19:54:00 <Lish> Mental
19:54:00 <better`person`than`u> ok
19:54:00 <President_Trump> GET OFF MERK
19:54:01 <better`person`than`u> and u all get investigated
19:54:02 <Lish> Shutup
19:54:06 <better`person`than`u> here now
19:54:11 <better`person`than`u> or im dead
19:54:20 <better`person`than`u> u all get investigated
19:54:31 <better`person`than`u> and i prove my point
19:54:35 <better`person`than`u> once and for all
19:54:41 <Lish> Shhhh
19:54:42 <Lish> Mental
19:55:00 <better`person`than`u> i was at someones having bbq
19:55:01 <better`person`than`u> ok
19:55:07 <President_Trump> GET OFF MERK
19:56:00 <better`person`than`u> now i am here
19:56:00 <Warren1984> https://www.facebook.com/TheAnimalBible.net/videos/748020935300510/
19:56:00 <President_Trump> the niggers?
19:56:00 <better`person`than`u> i dont know how
19:56:00 <better`person`than`u> i was about to eat food
19:56:00 <better`person`than`u> then suddenlly
19:56:00 <better`person`than`u> im at home
19:56:00 <Warren1984> Lish get your husband to pull out your tooth with a pair of pliers
19:56:20 <better`person`than`u> i was at someones having bbq
19:56:28 <better`person`than`u> now i am here
19:56:32 <Warren1984> https://www.facebook.com/TheAnimalBible.net/videos/748020935300510/
19:56:32 <President_Trump> the niggers?
19:56:34 <better`person`than`u> i dont know how
19:56:56 <better`person`than`u> i was about to eat food
19:57:00 <Lish> Ok good idea
19:57:00 <better`person`than`u> that means i forget
19:57:00 <better`person`than`u> all my friends
19:57:00 <better`person`than`u> if i can be about to eat
19:57:00 <better`person`than`u> then i home
19:57:01 <better`person`than`u> then suddenlly
19:57:06 <better`person`than`u> im at home
19:57:11 <Warren1984> Lish get your husband to pull out your tooth with a pair of pliers
19:57:28 <Lish> Ok good idea
19:57:57 <better`person`than`u> that means i forget
19:58:00 <better`person`than`u> i will kill that cunt
19:58:00 <better`person`than`u> if i can be about to eat
19:58:00 <better`person`than`u> then i home
19:58:07 <better`person`than`u> all my friends
19:58:18 <better`person`than`u> if i can be about to eat
19:58:24 <better`person`than`u> then i home
19:58:34 <better`person`than`u> i will kill that cunt
19:58:41 <better`person`than`u> if i can be about to eat
19:58:44 <better`person`than`u> then i home
19:58:47 <better`person`than`u> i will kill that cunt
19:59:00 <Lish> Who will u kill
19:59:56 <Lish> Who will u kill
20:00:00 <better`person`than`u> i dont know how i got home
20:00:00 <better`person`than`u> i wasnt being stupid
20:00:00 <President_Trump> u high or drunk tisk?
20:00:34 <better`person`than`u> i dont know how i got home
20:00:44 <better`person`than`u> i wasnt being stupid
20:00:49 <President_Trump> u high or drunk tisk?
20:01:00 <better`person`than`u> how did i get home
20:01:00 <better`person`than`u> i cant ask my friends
20:02:00 <better`person`than`u> cause theyre liars
20:02:00 <Lish> High
20:02:17 <better`person`than`u> how did i get home
20:02:24 <better`person`than`u> i cant ask my friends
20:02:30 <better`person`than`u> cause theyre liars
20:02:33 <Lish> High
20:03:00 <better`person`than`u> how the fuck did i get home when all food was cooked
20:03:00 <better`person`than`u> why did i turn up here
20:03:00 <better`person`than`u> im going to kill
20:03:00 <Lish> Kill who
20:03:00 <better`person`than`u> drug dealers
20:03:00 <Lish> Why
20:03:35 <better`person`than`u> how the fuck did i get home when all food was cooked
20:03:45 <better`person`than`u> why did i turn up here
20:03:59 <better`person`than`u> im going to kill
20:04:00 <better`person`than`u> cause theyre scum
20:04:00 <Lish> Then why do you buy their products
20:04:07 <Lish> Kill who
20:04:15 <better`person`than`u> drug dealers
20:04:20 <Lish> Why
20:04:31 <better`person`than`u> cause theyre scum
20:05:00 <better`person`than`u> i dont
20:05:00 <better`person`than`u> i get it free
20:05:00 <better`person`than`u> but theyre still scum
20:05:16 <Lish> Then why do you buy their products
20:05:31 <better`person`than`u> i dont
20:05:35 <better`person`than`u> i get it free
20:05:41 <better`person`than`u> but theyre still scum
20:06:00 <Lish> Why would u get it free
20:06:00 <Lish> No one gives drug for free
20:06:00 <better`person`than`u> im god
20:06:00 <Lish> Wrong
20:06:00 <better`person`than`u> no
20:06:00 <Lish> What drugs do you take
20:06:00 <better`person`than`u> weed
20:06:48 <Lish> Why would u get it free
20:06:54 <Lish> No one gives drug for free
20:07:00 <better`person`than`u> im god
20:07:00 <better`person`than`u> they cooked meat in front of me
20:07:00 <Lish> That's not all
20:07:00 <better`person`than`u> then suddenly
20:07:00 <better`person`than`u> i m home
20:07:06 <Lish> Wrong
20:07:09 <better`person`than`u> no
20:07:13 <Lish> What drugs do you take
20:07:17 <better`person`than`u> weed
20:08:00 <better`person`than`u> im going kill my
20:08:00 <better`person`than`u> mate of 7 year
20:08:00 <better`person`than`u> s
20:08:11 <better`person`than`u> they cooked meat in front of me
20:08:16 <Lish> That's not all
20:08:17 <better`person`than`u> then suddenly
20:08:22 <better`person`than`u> i m home
20:08:34 <better`person`than`u> im going kill my
20:08:42 <better`person`than`u> mate of 7 year
20:08:43 <better`person`than`u> s
20:08:46 <better`person`than`u> im going kill my
20:08:51 <better`person`than`u> mate of 7 year
20:08:53 <better`person`than`u> s
20:10:00 <mrwuf> is this you http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-01-19/wheelie-bin-murder-allan-ryan-andrew-hallcroft/7098278
20:10:00 <better`person`than`u> fuck they had pork rips i didnt expect those
20:10:00 <better`person`than`u> i wanted a pork susages
20:10:00 <better`person`than`u> bbqed
20:10:00 <better`person`than`u> why am i home
20:10:31 <mrwuf> is this you http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-01-19/wheelie-bin-murder-allan-ryan-andrew-hallcroft/7098278
20:10:59 <better`person`than`u> fuck they had pork rips i didnt expect those
20:11:00 <better`person`than`u> with out eating
20:11:00 <mrwuf> why would people feed you?
20:11:00 <President_Trump> did they kick you out ?
20:11:00 <better`person`than`u> no
20:11:00 <better`person`than`u> im just home
20:11:00 <mrwuf> all you talk about is yourself thats got to get boring after a while
20:11:00 <better`person`than`u> mrwuf
20:11:00 <better`person`than`u> u fuck off for good
20:11:00 <President_Trump> <Lish> What drugs do you take
20:11:12 <better`person`than`u> i wanted a pork susages
20:11:15 <better`person`than`u> bbqed
20:11:19 <better`person`than`u> why am i home
20:11:26 <better`person`than`u> with out eating
20:11:39 <mrwuf> why would people feed you?
20:11:52 <President_Trump> did they kick you out ?
20:11:56 <better`person`than`u> no
20:12:00 <President_Trump> https://vid.me/LqDF
20:12:00 <mrwuf> your world does revolve around you, just like everybody elses
20:12:00 <mrwuf> people that talk about themselves endlessly are incredible bores
20:12:00 <better`person`than`u> oh
20:12:00 <mrwuf> the secret to being a bore is to reveal everything about yourself
20:12:00 <better`person`than`u> but
20:12:00 <better`person`than`u> religeous
20:12:00 <better`person`than`u> ppl
20:12:00 <better`person`than`u> world
20:12:00 <better`person`than`u> revolves
20:12:04 <better`person`than`u> im just home
20:12:05 <mrwuf> all you talk about is yourself thats got to get boring after a while
20:12:16 <better`person`than`u> mrwuf
20:12:22 <better`person`than`u> u fuck off for good
20:12:24 <President_Trump> <Lish> What drugs do you take
20:12:25 <President_Trump> https://vid.me/LqDF
20:12:34 <mrwuf> your world does revolve around you, just like everybody elses
20:12:54 <mrwuf> people that talk about themselves endlessly are incredible bores
20:13:00 <better`person`than`u> around christ
20:13:00 <better`person`than`u> i am christ
20:13:00 <better`person`than`u> u tell me different
20:13:00 <better`person`than`u> u just stupid
20:13:00 <mrwuf> I'm going to put you on ignore and hope you find some realisation that there are other people in this world
20:13:00 <President_Trump> ME NAMES FUCKIN CHRIS ORITE??
20:13:12 <better`person`than`u> oh
20:13:13 <mrwuf> the secret to being a bore is to reveal everything about yourself
20:13:14 <better`person`than`u> but
20:13:18 <better`person`than`u> religeous
20:13:19 <better`person`than`u> ppl
20:13:21 <better`person`than`u> world
20:13:24 <better`person`than`u> revolves
20:13:27 <better`person`than`u> around christ
20:13:31 <better`person`than`u> i am christ
20:13:32 <better`person`than`u> i am christ
20:13:33 <better`person`than`u> i am christ
20:13:47 <better`person`than`u> u tell me different
20:13:52 <better`person`than`u> u just stupid
20:13:59 <mrwuf> I'm going to put you on ignore and hope you find some realisation that there are other people in this world
20:14:08 <President_Trump> ME NAMES FUCKIN CHRIS ORITE??
20:17:00 <President_Trump> wheres lish monger
20:17:00 <President_Trump> like the video?
20:18:16 <President_Trump> wheres lish monger
20:18:18 <President_Trump> like the video?
20:20:00 <Lish> I didn't look
20:20:00 <Lish> What is it
20:21:00 <mrwuf> an ego so self centred its creating its own reality
20:21:16 <Lish> I didn't look
20:21:19 <Lish> What is it
20:22:00 <President_Trump> look at it lish, idiot
20:22:00 <Lish> Nuh
20:22:00 <mrwuf> an ego like a top spinning in time pushing everyone it encounters away
20:22:00 <President_Trump> i posted it for you loser
20:22:00 <Lish> Fine
20:22:03 <mrwuf> an ego so self centred its creating its own reality
20:22:33 <President_Trump> look at it lish, idiot
20:22:55 <Lish> Nuh
20:22:56 <mrwuf> an ego like a top spinning in time pushing everyone it encounters away
20:23:00 <mrwuf> who knows
20:23:19 <President_Trump> i posted it for you loser
20:23:24 <Lish> Fine
20:23:37 <mrwuf> who knows
20:24:00 <Lish> Who's that
20:24:35 <Lish> Who's that
20:25:00 <President_Trump> that's better`person`than`u
20:25:00 <Lish> Freaky
20:25:26 <President_Trump> that's better`person`than`u
20:26:06 <Lish> Freaky
20:28:00 <better`person`than`u> now i gotta make my own food
20:28:32 <better`person`than`u> now i gotta make my own food
20:30:02 Quit: BlackDevil ([email protected]) Quit:
20:33:00 <President_Trump> Lish
20:33:00 <President_Trump> https://vid.me/C889
20:34:01 <President_Trump> Lish
20:34:02 <President_Trump> https://vid.me/C889
20:34:09 Quit: Warren1984 ([email protected]) Ping timeout: 121 seconds
20:35:00 <Warren1984> Tigger_ has a Breville i7
20:35:22 Join: Warren1984 ([email protected]) to #politicaldebate
20:35:38 <Warren1984> Tigger_ has a Breville i7
20:44:15 Quit: Lish ([email protected]) Ping timeout: 121 seconds
21:11:00 <better`person`than`u> SoupNazi
21:11:00 <better`person`than`u> lols
21:11:00 <better`person`than`u> lala lala
21:11:00 <better`person`than`u> ohhhhh
21:11:00 <better`person`than`u> lol
21:17:00 <better`person`than`u> https://youtu.be/WP4AdZt2-7w
21:17:00 <better`person`than`u> peace out
22:10:00 <cherri_pie> yoo
22:10:00 <cherri_pie> wassup pd
22:10:00 <cherri_pie> anyone seen lish
22:36:00 <THE^DONALD> Lish is a fucking faggot
23:33:00 <miles> hi
23:33:00 <miles> https://youtu.be/3isO9g8_RIU
23:33:00 <miles> thats my new
23:33:00 <miles> song
23:33:00 <miles> once i caught a fish alive 6 7 8 9 10
23:33:00 <miles> then i let it go again
23:49:00 <Warren1984> what is imgburn
23:49:00 <Warren1984> can it copy DVD's
23:49:00 <cherri_pie> yes
23:49:00 <cherri_pie> that's an ISO file i think
23:49:00 <cherri_pie> you need to copy it to a DVD
23:50:00 <cherri_pie> or extract it with winzip
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