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03:00 <Tigger_> morning all
03:00 <Marttinn> morning
04:00 <mrwuf> heya Tigger_ 
04:00 <Tigger_> no Democrat results for South Carolina, no Republican results for Nevada
04:00 <Tigger_> hi Marttin, mrwuf, GreekSnake, doctor 
05:00 <GreekSnake> hey Tigger_
05:00 <GreekSnake> the Democrat primary is on 27 February in SC
06:00 <GreekSnake> and the Republican caucus is on 23 Feb in Nevada
06:00 <Tigger_> ah, I assumed they'd be the same day
06:00 <Tigger_> like the others
07:00 <GreekSnake> not in this case
07:00 <GreekSnake> but they will be on Super Tuesday
08:00 <Tigger_> Trump, Making the Reformation Great Again: https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-releases/donald-j.-trump-response-to-the-pope
09:00 <GreekSnake> heh
09:00 <Tigger_> Marttin, what do you think of Bernie being defeated in Nevada?
09:00 <GreekSnake> no one's called the pope "disgraceful" in a while
09:00 <GreekSnake> but it didn't seem to hurt him one bit in Evangelical South Carolina
10:00 <Tigger_> it has been a long time since anyone has stood up to that wicked man
10:00 <GreekSnake> yes, and the outrage at Trump's remarks was astonishing
10:00 <GreekSnake> do these cunts seriously think a Presbyterian should give a shit what the pope thinks?
11:00 <GreekSnake> this is why I can't stand Catholics, they still think they're important
11:00 <Marttinn> its a shame he lost, luckily it wasnt too much difference
11:00 <Tigger_> the Catholic personality type is the non-achiever who wags their finger at the achiever
11:00 <GreekSnake> no other Christian denomination can match the sheer arrogance of the papist heresy
12:00 <doctor> lol he is so full of shit
12:00 <Tigger_> Marttin, I notice that it was white leftists who voted for Bernie, but all the muds voted for Hillary
12:00 <GreekSnake> even Milo Yiannopoulos, a devout Catholic, was forced to come out against his spiritual leader
12:00 <Tigger_> what did he say?
12:00 <doctor> That guy is also full of shit
13:00 <Tigger_> did he call him an anti-pope?
13:00 <GreekSnake> "Sorry papa, but Daddy is right"
13:00 <Tigger_> heh
13:00 <GreekSnake> he's very anti-popey, isn't he?
13:00 <GreekSnake> that's what you get when you put spics in charge of the world's biggest church
13:00 <GreekSnake> no offense, Marttin
14:00 <Marttinn> the POPE, the POPE, the POPE is COJONUDO, like the POPE, there is no one
14:00 <GreekSnake> he's not even Opus Dei for crying out loud
14:00 <Tigger_> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sedevacantism  this will get a few more converts
14:00 <GreekSnake> lol@commies like Marttin reverting to Catholicism en masse
14:00 <Tigger_> lol
15:00 <Tigger_> the communism is just cosplay, deep in their hearts they remain devoted to the holy father
15:00 <GreekSnake> well the previous popes were still quite solid
15:00 <GreekSnake> it's this one that's a flaming pinko
15:00 <GreekSnake> how did even come to be elected to the papacy?
15:00 <GreekSnake> why did Ratzinger resign?
15:00 <GreekSnake> *he
16:00 <erlich> GreekSnake: is Kate Bush a gay icon?
16:00 <Tigger_> I believe there is a conspiracy afoot with this one
16:00 <GreekSnake> it's just weird
16:00 <GreekSnake> a pope hadn't resigned in centuries
16:00 <Tigger_> Ratzinger the conservative who suddenly retires, first in 500 years
16:00 <GreekSnake> not really, erlich
16:00 <Tigger_> and he's still alive
16:00 <GreekSnake> all part of the conspiracy to flood Europe with Muslim invaders?
16:00 <erlich> i remember plivent saying Ratzinger was too liberal and that Francis was too conservative
17:00 <GreekSnake> Ratzinger was rather Islamophobic
17:00 <Tigger_> Kate Bush is a curio of the formerly mainstream artist who got adopted by alternatives
17:00 <GreekSnake> too un-PC
17:00 <GreekSnake> because he dared to quote a Byzantine emperor on the evils of Islam
18:00 <Tigger_> what is weirder was the break in tradition of intellectual popes for the nightclub bouncer
19:00 <GreekSnake> the nightclub bouncer that waves all the muds in
19:00 <Tigger_> heh
20:00 <GreekSnake> is he now going to excommunicate anyone who votes for Trump?
21:00 <Tigger_> fun facts on the Vatican Wall: What’s more, the walls were specifically built by a prior pope to repel Muslims.
21:00 <Tigger_> History shows back in 846, Muslim raiders known as the Saracens looted Old St. Peter’s Basilica and the Papal Basilica of St. Paul outside the walls. The pirates took priceless treasures from the shrines.
21:00 <Tigger_> Shocked by the sack of some of the most sacred sites in Christendom, Pope Leo IV created the Leonine Wall, completely surrounding the Vatican Hill. Additional defenses were added in the 15th and 16th centuries.
21:00 <Tigger_> Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2016/02/those-vatican-walls-designed-to-repel-muslims/#4G6UcMiax0EorCUy.99
21:00 <GreekSnake> heh, the irony
22:00 <GreekSnake> Europe was solidly and sensibly Islamophobic until the late 20th century
23:00 <GreekSnake> Additional defenses were added in the 15th and 16th centuries.
23:00 <GreekSnake> < to ward off the Turks this time
24:00 <Tigger_> the big shift came when the Vatican realised that Islam could actually be an ally in their clandestine war against Christianity
25:00 <GreekSnake> Pamela Geller, a world-famous activist against Islamization and a WND columnist, slammed the pope for his advocacy of open borders policies in both Europe and the United States.
25:00 <GreekSnake> “He’s a hypocrite,” she charged. “If he is sincere, let him tear down the Vatican walls and admit Muslim migrants in unlimited numbers. Some can stay in his luxurious apartments. Until he does that, he is exposed as a self-righteous leftist hypocrite.”
26:00 <Tigger_> the Catholic church has a deep institutional memory of the Middle Ages where they were unchallenged from within, so the solution is to import medieval peasants if there are few indigenous ones
26:00 <Ethanol> muslim migrants must also be granted a vote at the next papal conclave
26:00 <Tigger_> good idea
30:00 <Tigger_> one good thing that has come of this is that my Catholic conspiracy theory looks less like a conspiracy theory now
30:00 <Ethanol> The pope's remarks only served to solidify the evangelicals' support for Trump
30:00 <Ethanol> Evangelicals hate Catholics
31:00 <GreekSnake> it's funny, Cruz should've won South Carolina
31:00 <GreekSnake> but the Evangelicals there probably view him as a secret spic papist
32:00 <Tigger_> I hope evangelicals still talk about seeing "666" on the Pope's hat, instead of a pozzed "we are all Christians" that I fear
32:00 <GreekSnake> lol, Trump should've come back at the pope bellowing "YOU'RE not a Christian!"
32:00 <Ethanol> heh
33:00 <Ethanol> I hear that a lot in protestant IRC channels
33:00 <Tigger_> what do they say?
33:00 <Ethanol> The Pope is a Mary worshipping idolater!
33:00 <GreekSnake> well Catholics love to declare others to be non-Christians
33:00 <Tigger_> that's a relief, I was worried those traditions had died out
33:00 <Tigger_> "...but Muslims worship the same god!"
34:00 <GreekSnake> lol
34:00 <GreekSnake> Ethanol, have you given any more thought to your conversion to Orthodoxy?
34:00 <Tigger_> “When has he ever called out Hillary or Bernie Sanders for their un-Christian support for abortion?” she asked rhetorically. “The church supposedly opposes that and has opposed it for longer than it has been in favor of absolutely open borders and the suicide of the West. It appears as if the pope has abandoned all pretense of being a spiritual leader and has become instead an eager advocate for the far left’s political agenda.”
34:00 <Ethanol> GreekSnake: yes
35:00 <GreekSnake> and?
35:00 <GreekSnake> too exotic?
35:00 <Ethanol> My family and I were received into the Orthodox Church last year.
35:00 <GreekSnake> oh, really?
35:00 <GreekSnake> wow
35:00 <Tigger_> actually that's something that I've long wondered about, the Catholic church gives no support to anti-abortionists on the right, and there is almost no anti-abortion position on the left
35:00 <GreekSnake> Greek?
36:00 <Ethanol> yes
36:00 <GreekSnake> welcome to the fold
36:00 <GreekSnake> lol
37:00 <GreekSnake> I suppose much of the service here is in English these days
37:00 <GreekSnake> the generation that could still understand Koine Greek is dying out
37:00 <Ethanol> They celebrate Divine Liturgy in English on Saturday nights. The Sunday morning service is still held in Koine Greek.
38:00 <GreekSnake> I remember hearing excerpts in English last time I went to church
39:00 <GreekSnake> is it still chanted in accordance with the Byzantine Rite?
41:00 <Ethanol> yes, although I think the style of chant has been westernised somewhat
41:00 <GreekSnake> well Chrysostom's liturgy was composed for Greek
52:00 <Tigger_> http://abcnews.go.com/US/unanswered-questions-fbi-ruled-3rd-militant-san-bernardino/story?id=37028168
52:00 <Tigger_> so a third shooter may yet be at large
53:00 <Ethanol> I vaguely recall reports of a third shooter shortly after the incident
54:00 <Ethanol> but he (or she) was forgotten
54:00 <Tigger_> yes, the initial reports talked about three shooters
55:00 <Ethanol> It'
55:00 <Tigger_> if the third shooter exists, no doubt they've been sheltered all this time by the muslim community
55:00 <Ethanol> It's nice to see Apple stand by their principles for a change
55:00 <Marttin> www.lavanguardia.com/r/GODO/LV/p3/WebSite/2016/02/21/Recortada/img_lgomez_20160221-123956_imagenes_lv_otras_fuentes_rajoy-kJq-U302324721245QS-992x558@LaVanguardia-Web.jpg
55:00 <Ethanol> Although I wonder if they would do the same if the shooters where white
55:00 <Tigger_> this is one case where they should release the info
55:00 <Tigger_> if they were Christian bakers, no
05:00 <erlich> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZE60gbFPbFQ
05:00 <BlackDevil> Youtube: Alpha 9 - Come Home [HQ] (Mar 24, 2010) Length: 6:14 - Category: Entertainment - 96,667 views - 450 likes (99.1%), 4 dislikes (0.9%)
07:00 <Tigger_> I have this on my Clip+
08:00 <erlich> which genre has occupied you most recently?
08:00 <erlich> i was AWOL with progressive, going a bit more hard, now im back to prog
09:00 <Tigger_> trance, but more revisiting my library than seeking out anything new
10:00 <erlich> actuyally last night i was listening to a lot of house-house
12:00 <GreekSnake> https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/12742249_10208780979590324_4999655183994392426_n.jpg?oh=444d28044cc6974d9509b24f4206baee&oe=575C5325&__gda__=1465474368_b71d75d747b9405deeb4e04a7b8059fe
13:00 <Tigger_> http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/hillary-clinton-won-nevada/story?id=36574410
13:00 <Tigger_> The gender gap was a sharp divide in the Silver State, with Clinton winning the votes of women and Sanders winning the votes of men.
13:00 <Tigger_> It was the black vote that boosted Clinton’s lead.
13:00 <Tigger_> Clinton trounced Sanders among blacks, with 76 percent support compared to 23 percent for Sanders.
13:00 <Tigger_> Despite winning 64 percent of the Hispanic vote in Nevada during her first run for the White House in 2008, this time around Sanders garnered 54 percent of the Hispanic vote and Clinton trailed with just 43 percent.
14:00 <Tigger_> so Hillary is mainly popular with old black women
14:00 <GreekSnake> yes, El Viejito has become quite popular among Hispanics
14:00 <GreekSnake> "the little old man"
14:00 <erlich> https://youtu.be/pG1XvESzIdg?t=4m18s
14:00 <BlackDevil> Youtube: Progressiver presents FineSky - Fine Sky [HQ] (Mar 24, 2010) Length: 8:34 - Category: Entertainment - 30,157 views - 126 likes (94.7%), 7 dislikes (5.3%)
15:00 <Tigger_> they eat dogs in Africa?
15:00 <GreekSnake> of course
16:00 <Tigger_> I suppose they eat almost anything, ebola is the best spice
16:00 <GreekSnake> haha
17:00 <GreekSnake> that's so something Patsy would say
19:00 <erlich> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wI8WWs4MdXE
19:00 <BlackDevil> Youtube: Fred Baker - Saona (Andy Duguid Remix) [HQ] (Mar 24, 2010) Length: 7:43 - Category: Entertainment - 30,980 views - 134 likes (97.8%), 3 dislikes (2.2%)
25:00 <Tigger_> GreekSnake, Trump cat: http://40.media.tumblr.com/240b75accd57294d97b6b7862326d875/tumblr_nrve37fJkA1rwjkgko2_1280.jpg
32:00 <Tigger_> https://www.newscientist.com/article/2076536-first-flight-of-hydrogen-powered-drone-with-water-vapour-exhaust/
40:00 <Tigger_> and recalling my dream about flying on Saturn, a prototype of the sort of plane that could fly on Mars:
40:00 <Tigger_> http://www.forbes.com/sites/brucedorminey/2016/01/31/aviation-on-mars-airbus-perlan-2-glider-to-help-test-its-limits/#f9259d5575e5
40:00 <Tigger_> though it'd be infinitely easier to fly a plane on Saturn than Mars
58:00 <Marttin> m.publico.es/internacional/1950730/en-letonia-un-rinon-vale-6000-euros capitalist paradise
58:00 <Marttin> En un texto para la revista Forbes, el analista Mark Adomanis recordaba hace unos meses que las repúblicas bálticas han perdido en conjunto un 22% de su población desde 1990. En el caso de Letonia, ese porcentaje asciende hasta el 25,5%
59:00 <Marttin> La entrada del país en la Unión Europea no frenó esta hemorragia demográfica, de la que apenas existen equivalentes en el mundo: en 2013 hasta un 10% de la población había abandonado el país desde 2004
00:00 <Marttin> at least venezuela wont cease its existence
05:00 <GreekSnake> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNH5EUw7gxk
05:00 <BlackDevil> Youtube: World Champion Masturbation (世界チャンピオンのマスターベーション) (Dec 20, 2011) Length: - Category: People & Blogs - 5,937,315 views - 6,988 likes (84.8%), 1,252 dislikes (15.2%)
05:00 <GreekSnake> <@Tigger_> GreekSnake, Trump cat: http://40.media.tumblr.com/240b75accd57294d97b6b7862326d875/tumblr_nrve37fJkA1rwjkgko2_1280.jpg
05:00 <GreekSnake> LOL
09:00 <Tigger_> well no surprise that Japan should be the leader in that category
09:00 <erlich> my new desktop wallpaper after the fresh install: http://ibwall.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/white-lion-high-resolution-desktop.jpg
10:00 <Tigger_> in Streetview in Japan you don't see many young people, just old pensioners
10:00 <GreekSnake> I don't like lions as much as I like cats
10:00 <GreekSnake> not as cute
11:00 <Tigger_> lions are cats
11:00 <GreekSnake> xm, did you like Manny Pacquião's comments on gays?
11:00 <erlich> my 2nd montiro has a beautiful picture of an elephant 
11:00 <erlich> i havent seen it
11:00 <Tigger_> he backed down and apologised
11:00 <erlich> but isnt he catholic?
11:00 <GreekSnake> yes, but then he said we should all be put down
11:00 <erlich> like 99% of us
11:00 <GreekSnake> in accordance with scripture
12:00 <erlich> ahhh hate that
12:00 <Tigger_> so lame
12:00 <GreekSnake> no, he's an Evangelical now
12:00 <erlich> i really hate it when Christians say dont judge, which is so wrong on many levels
12:00 <GreekSnake> hence the weird emphasis on Leviticus
12:00 <erlich> 1) they just made a judgement
12:00 <Tigger_> when Prince can be a bigger homophobe, you're just not doing it right
12:00 <erlich> 2) the Bible says to judge, just not hypocritically
12:00 <erlich> hahahah
13:00 <erlich> im fascinated by liberal Christians that say Sodom etc was condemned for not being hospitable
13:00 <erlich> reminds me of the scriptural gymnastics Muslims do
13:00 <Tigger_> it's a silly modern ad-hoc interpretation
13:00 <erlich> erk, 70GB worth of sound  files to download off Apple
13:00 <erlich> this will take forever
14:00 <GreekSnake> I'm fine with accepting the homophobic nature of the Old Testament, since it merely confirms my view of Judaism's cultural inferiority to Hellenism
14:00 <Tigger_> they apply the same logic to other genocides in the Old Testament too, when the modern era is revealing the wisdom of a literal interpretation
14:00 <GreekSnake> all desert muds are pretty homophobic
14:00 <erlich> if only i could have a desktop wallpaper where animals in Africa move around
15:00 <erlich> NT = OT with God's director commentary
15:00 <Tigger_> there is a difference though, the Hebrews do not seem to have been very gay themselves, unlike muslims
15:00 <erlich> isnt 1/3 of the NT quotes from the OT?
15:00 <erlich> or references
15:00 <GreekSnake> I just don't understand how an obscure desert cult came to dominate the Aryan race
15:00 <Tigger_> something like that
16:00 <GreekSnake> it's embarrassing, more than anything
16:00 <GreekSnake> it's neurotic Jewish nonsense, largely
16:00 <Tigger_> because Aryans like Plato had philosophically come to the conclusion that monotheism is correct, except they lacked a monotheistic religion
17:00 <GreekSnake> we could've kept it on a purely theoretical level
17:00 <erlich> what was Plato's reasoning?
17:00 <GreekSnake> much more intellectual that way
17:00 <Tigger_> essentially that gods are not equivalent to God, and that God had to have invented time too
17:00 <GreekSnake> yes, Greek Orthodox believers always make reference to the "unknown god" of the ancient Greeks
18:00 <erlich> i was guessing it would ahve to be something liek that, if you see how things are created and then try to regress
18:00 <GreekSnake> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unknown_God
19:00 <erlich> i remember that one, the one Paul mentioned. and an aunty used on you
19:00 <GreekSnake> anywho, that still doesn't answer the question of why we had to choose the Jewish God
19:00 <Tigger_> His listeners may also have understood the introduction of a new god by allusions to Aeschylus' The Eumenides; the irony would have been that just as the Eumenides were not new gods at all but the Furies in a new form
20:00 <GreekSnake> and all the obscurantism that came with it
20:00 <Tigger_> when I read the play Eumenides I always had the impression that the furies were equivalent to the Holy Spirit
20:00 <GreekSnake> lol, such projection
21:00 <GreekSnake> https://www.facebook.com/Channel4News/videos/vb.6622931938/10153532191316939/?type=2&theater
22:00 <Tigger_> it is my hypothesis that Greek culture and philosophy had been semi-consciously aware of a need for something else, that they recognised the truth of Christianity before Christianity existed
23:00 <GreekSnake> I'm fine with all that, I just don't like the Jewish element
23:00 <Tigger_> in every speech Trump starts a build the wall chant
23:00 <GreekSnake> we could've invented our own monotheistic religion
23:00 <Tigger_> you did, except it didn't take off
23:00 <GreekSnake> just goes to show the degree of multicultural degeneracy that resulted from Roman rule
24:00 <GreekSnake> it was never codified, but rather a mere suggestion by a tiny group of thinkers like Plato
25:00 <Tigger_> Zeus was elevated to a monotheistic status, but religion has to be revealed rather than constructed
25:00 <GreekSnake> still, I guess Christianity did protect us against Islam
25:00 <GreekSnake> otherwise we'd all be Turks n ow
26:00 <GreekSnake> the Greeks' way of thinking was just too rational to produce nonsense like "revelation"
26:00 <GreekSnake> you need irrational muds, like Jews, for that
29:00 <GreekSnake> Because the Jewish God could not be named, it is possible that Paul's Athenian listeners would have considered his god to be "the unknown god par excellence".[6]
29:00 <GreekSnake> < and that's how he got us, lol
30:00 <GreekSnake> they still laughed off his homophobic rants, though
30:00 <GreekSnake> "What do you mean it's wrong to fondle delectable young twinks?"
31:00 <Tigger_> the Greeks had many centuries to get their act together with creating their Hellenic monotheism, that they hadn't by that point suggests it was likely impossible, with even its advocates not having an authentic religious passion for it
33:00 <GreekSnake> do you attribute their defeat by the Romans to their failure to develop monotheism?
33:00 <Tigger_> no
34:00 <GreekSnake> we did love to fight amongst ourselves a lot
34:00 <GreekSnake> and still do, in many respects
34:00 <Tigger_> I'd put that down to the common political and economic explanations historians advocate
35:00 <Tigger_> a unified religion would have helped though
35:00 <Tigger_> Greek monotheists fighting against the backwards Roman pagans
35:00 <GreekSnake> it was unified, just consisted of multiple deities
36:00 <Tigger_> there are so many regional differences though
36:00 <Tigger_> a god has different mythologies ascribed to them by region
37:00 <Tigger_> such as Hyacinth was Apollo's bf in some areas, but not others
38:00 <GreekSnake> minor details heh
39:00 <GreekSnake> http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/02/19/was-harper-lee-our-most-influential-novelist.html?source=TDB&via=FB_Page
39:00 <GreekSnake> never realized how much of a dyke Harper Lee was
39:00 <Tigger_> also polytheism has weak integrity, it can't very well resist foreign imports, like Dionysus.  which was a relatively modern corruption
40:00 <Tigger_> she was Capote's faghag
42:00 <Tigger_> Her mannish haircuts and hatred of make-up led to speculation that she was a lesbian. However, Mr Shields believes she was just shy and, like Charlotte Bronte, had an unrequited crush on a married man, her literary agent Maurice Crain.
42:00 <Tigger_> Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1289793/Dont-mention-mockingbird-Meet-Harper-Lee-reclusive-novelist-wrote-classic-novel-mesmerised-40-million-readers.html#ixzz40okuYy5Z 
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46:00 <Tigger_> also Islam was going to happen whether Christianity existed or not (Mohammed appears not to have known much about it), so Islam would've spread all the way to Iceland if incoherent paganism was its only ideological foe
48:00 <mrwuf> are you worried when you talk of the gods.. they may be listening?
48:00 <Tigger_> I have no objection to the gods listening
50:00 <Tigger_> why would I?
50:00 <mrwuf> its all a bit confusing I think because so many different people have developed their own cultural relationship and language only further confuses things with the differing names
51:00 <Tigger_> "Allah" is not another name for the Christian god
51:00 <GreekSnake> <mrwuf> are you worried when you talk of the gods.. they may be listening?
51:00 <GreekSnake> no, since they don't exist
51:00 <Tigger_> why don't they exist?
52:00 <GreekSnake> how can they, if you're a Christian?
52:00 <mrwuf> not even the Hebrew Kab'allah'?
52:00 <Tigger_> Christianity does not hold that the gods do not exist, only that we must not worship them
52:00 <GreekSnake> so they do exist
52:00 <mrwuf> I like the egyptian names but the indian names are cool too
52:00 <Tigger_> they might exist
53:00 <GreekSnake> believing in one god is bad enough
53:00 <mrwuf> even the christians believe in more than one
53:00 <mrwuf> whats that trinity again
53:00 <GreekSnake> the Trinity isn't three gods
53:00 <Tigger_> though Zeus and the rest of the Olympians are on D$P now
53:00 <mrwuf> you have jesus and mary and the holy spirit
53:00 <GreekSnake> it's three hypostases of the same God
53:00 <Tigger_> GreekSnake is correct
53:00 <GreekSnake> LOL
53:00 <GreekSnake> the common Islamic misconception of the Trinity
54:00 <GreekSnake> are you a Mohammedan, mrwuf?
54:00 <Tigger_> Mohammed actually thought Mary was one of the Trinity
54:00 <mrwuf> no I'm a nothing
54:00 <GreekSnake> you might be a nobody, but you can't be a nothing
54:00 <Tigger_> which gives you some idea how ignorant he was
55:00 <GreekSnake> the Holy Trinity is indivisible and consubstantial
55:00 <GreekSnake> it's not three gods ffs
55:00 <GreekSnake> how can anyone even think that?
55:00 <Tigger_> it's a sadly common notion
56:00 <mrwuf> I think the confusion is because the meaning of language evolves
56:00 <GreekSnake> the Son is "of the same essence" as the Father
56:00 <GreekSnake> i.e. they're both God, along with the Holy Spirit
57:00 <GreekSnake> which proceeds from the Father
58:00 <GreekSnake> the Catholics claim it proceeds from the Son too, but that's just heresy
58:00 <mrwuf> the prophets are dead in that religion no?
59:00 <mrwuf> the people behind it are what? caretakers?
59:00 <mrwuf> its kind of hard to know the original meanings
59:00 <mrwuf> not impossible, just a personal journey probably
59:00 <Tigger_> on the contrary, the original meanings are pretty clear, and the followers understand them quite well
00:00 <mrwuf> ok well explain what a baptism is
00:00 <Tigger_> such as ISIS understand Mohammed's message very well
00:00 <mrwuf> how about you tell me what holy communion is?
00:00 <erlich> the Jews knew, hence why they wanted to kill him
00:00 <erlich> Him*
01:00 <GreekSnake> the main function of a baptism, as far as I can tell, is to drive Satan out of the infant's soul
02:00 <mrwuf> isis are following what you might call a heretical interuptation of Islam something created by a radical many years after the death of that prophet with a specific purpose
02:00 <Tigger_> actually that is one argument for paedo-baptism, that it protects from demonic possession
02:00 <Tigger_> in no way is ISIS heretical
03:00 <GreekSnake> they're not heretics, just literalists
03:00 <mrwuf> not at all
03:00 <Tigger_> everything that ISIS does they can cite the Koran, Sunnah, and Hadith
03:00 <GreekSnake> they're following the message of Mohammed in its purest form
04:00 <GreekSnake> without the later adulterations of the various schools of Islamic jurisprudence
04:00 <mrwuf> sure but there are mass murderers who quote the bible
04:00 <Tigger_> not equivalent
04:00 <GreekSnake> who?
04:00 <Tigger_> I'm betting the next line is "The crusaders"
04:00 <GreekSnake> lol
04:00 <mrwuf> you have to go back to when the mongol invasion changed arab islamic theologu
05:00 <mrwuf> read up on Taymiyyah
05:00 <mrwuf> he's the source of salafism
05:00 <Tigger_> the Mongols, like modern gooks, are uniquely devoid of any philosophical passion
05:00 <GreekSnake> are you arguing that the text of the Koran and the other Islamic texts was altered?
06:00 <mrwuf> thats the basis of jidhaism and wahabbism
06:00 <Tigger_> a gook only thinks "But what is it good for?"
06:00 <GreekSnake> Wahhabism/Salafism merely seeks to clear away the post-Mohammed adulterations
06:00 <mrwuf> all this is fairly new
07:00 <GreekSnake> even so, it's Islam in its purest form
07:00 <mrwuf> about early 1300's
07:00 <mrwuf> not at all
07:00 <GreekSnake> it's the closest to Mohammed's Islam
07:00 <Tigger_> then what is Islam in its purest form?
07:00 <mrwuf> I can explain it if you want but its longwinded
08:00 <Tigger_> sure
08:00 <GreekSnake> "traditional" Islam contains many innovations that Mohammed would not have endorsed
08:00 <mrwuf> let me setup some music
09:00 <mrwuf> ok so you can blame the mongols for this jihadism
10:00 <GreekSnake> lol
10:00 <Tigger_> but Islam spread through jihadism back when the mongols were mere yak herders
10:00 <GreekSnake> typical muslim attitude
10:00 <GreekSnake> blame anyone else except themselves
10:00 <mrwuf> the mongols were stopped in the 1300's by the Mamluks, these were a dynstery of Turk rulers who had control over much of Syria and Egypt
12:00 <mrwuf> some of the mongols converted to islam so the malmuks tried to negotiate a peace
12:00 <mrwuf> this is just after Cairo had soft of become the centre of islamic learning after baghdad was razed
13:00 <mrwuf> one of these scholars was Ibn Taymiyyah, when these peace negotiations fell through, he became the head Imam in Damascus, front lines for the Mongol war
14:00 <GreekSnake> http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/14/opinion/sunday/the-sexual-misery-of-the-arab-world.html
14:00 <mrwuf> taymiiyya preached against the mongols who were constantly attacking the city, and eventually developed his own theology based around jihad
14:00 <GreekSnake> except he didn't invent jihad, Mohammed himself did
15:00 <mrwuf> he thought because the mongols kept their own tribal law, rather than adopting shariah they weren't real muslims
15:00 <GreekSnake> jihad is a central tenet of Islam
15:00 <GreekSnake> you can't be a Muslim and not believe in jihad
15:00 <mrwuf> i'll explain but like I said its long
15:00 <GreekSnake> surprised you're not blaming the Crusades, as Tigger_ said
15:00 <mrwuf> so theres a war, a city under siege the turks vs the 'islamic' mongols
16:00 <GreekSnake> the Turks and Mongols are basically the same tribe
16:00 <mrwuf> ramadan fell, which is a time of fasting, tamiyyah made a decree that its OK to delay fasting(!) so that the battle could continue 
17:00 <mrwuf> because these arabs, the mamluks were well-fed, they were fighting strong and defeated the mongols,drove them out of syria 
17:00 <Tigger_> at this time the Mongols were a mix of religions, from heathen superstition to Christianity or Islam
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18:00 <erlich> false poz?
18:00 <Tigger_> likely
18:00 <erlich> probably piracy related
18:00 <mrwuf> after this war with the mongols ended taymiyyah, surfing on a wave of success, further developed his theology
18:00 <mrwuf> well he was arrested
19:00 <mrwuf> accused of religious innovation, a sin, and he was imprisioned
19:00 <GreekSnake> Religious authorities have issued grotesque fatwas: Making love naked is prohibited; women may not touch bananas; a man can be alone with a female colleague only if she is his milk-mother, and she has nursed him.
19:00 <mrwuf> this only made him more extreme in his rational
19:00 <GreekSnake> I'll add one that my bf told me about:
20:00 <mrwuf> he started to make declarations that ALL other islamic leaders MUST submit to him
20:00 <GreekSnake> Al Qaeda banned tomato and cucumber salad in Iraq
20:00 <GreekSnake> because of it's sexual connotations
20:00 <GreekSnake> *its
21:00 <mrwuf> he eventually got released basically got more extreme, thats the best way of explaining things, he banned divorce
21:00 <Tigger_> 'women may not touch bananas' is my favourite
21:00 <Tigger_> he banned divorce?  but Mohammed was a great advocate of divorce
21:00 <mrwuf> he gets thrown in prison again for preaching this conservative interuptation of islam
21:00 <mrwuf> where he dies
22:00 <mrwuf> now while he was in prison he wrote ALOT
22:00 <GreekSnake> What long seemed like the foreign spectacles of faraway places now feels like a clash of cultures playing out on the West’s very soil. Differences once defused by distance and a sense of superiority have become an imminent threat. People in the West are discovering, with anxiety and fear, that sex in the Muslim world is sick, and that the disease is spreading to their own lands.
22:00 <mrwuf> all his writings became the basis of salafism
22:00 <mrwuf> this is now a major part of islam
23:00 <mrwuf> theres a like a tree of other scholars who picked up what he started and ran with it
23:00 <GreekSnake> yes, which is why Muslim immigration to the West must be stopped immediately
23:00 <mrwuf> salafism grew
23:00 <GreekSnake> let them stay where they are and figure it out
23:00 <Tigger_> from wiki, as GreekSnake said: Ibn Taymiyyah sought the return of Sunni Islam to what he viewed as earlier interpretations of the Qur'an and the Sunnah
23:00 <GreekSnake> let's stop importing the problem
23:00 <mrwuf> up until present time where his ideas have become adopted by al quad and the muslim brotherhood
24:00 <mrwuf> everything about modern jsalaifsm and whahabism can be traced back to taymiyyah
24:00 <GreekSnake> mrwuf, none of that alters the fact that he was inspired by the original teachings of Islamic scripture
24:00 <mrwuf> he basically took a word and evolved its meaning
24:00 <mrwuf> jihad means 'struggle' its like quitting smoking 
24:00 <mrwuf> he evolved the word
24:00 <Tigger_> if it was not him, it would be someone else to revitalise the original teachings
24:00 <GreekSnake> lol, that's simply not true
25:00 <GreekSnake> Mohammed's original Muslim conquests were called jihad too
25:00 <mrwuf> he's one of the reasons for the decline for the arab civilisation
25:00 <GreekSnake> it's all about violence and subjugation of the infidels
26:00 <mrwuf> the jihad word is merely arabic for "struggle"
26:00 <mrwuf> thats the original meaning
26:00 <mrwuf> "holy war" is an evolved meaning
26:00 <Tigger_> one overlooked fact about Islam is that as a religion, it doesn't really have very much religion in it, it always was a totalitarian doctrine of conquest and social control.  it's lack of religion is the reason why Sufism had to be appended to Islam
27:00 <mrwuf> its like crusade 
27:00 <GreekSnake> but it had a very specific meaning in Mohammed's time
27:00 <mrwuf> we have a "crusade for sick children"
27:00 <mrwuf> see how the meaning has changed, from the original
27:00 <mrwuf> they aren't having a holy war when they say that, but its still used
27:00 <GreekSnake> yes, but the original meaning was holy war
28:00 <GreekSnake> calling it a "struggle to quit smoking" is purely a modern innovation
28:00 <Tigger_> mrwuf, Mohammed personally lead his armies on conquest, and personally ordered the execution of prisoners of war who refused to convert
28:00 <mrwuf> yes so it demonstrates the reverse principal, both are examples of how words evolve meaning
28:00 <GreekSnake> yes, he personally beheaded hundreds of Jews
29:00 <GreekSnake> so the early Muslim conquests were not jihad?
29:00 <GreekSnake> what were they?
29:00 <GreekSnake> lol
29:00 <mrwuf> before that muslims could not go to war with muslims
29:00 <mrwuf> his 'invention' enabled that
29:00 <GreekSnake> ah, so that's your only problem with him
30:00 <GreekSnake> jihad had previously been reserved for infidels
30:00 <GreekSnake> got it
30:00 <mrwuf> no it was a personal concept
30:00 <GreekSnake> no, it wasn't
30:00 <GreekSnake> and isn't
30:00 <mrwuf> that word is arabic for "struggle"
31:00 <GreekSnake> yes, struggle for Islamic conquest of the world in the name of Allah
31:00 <mrwuf> thanks to taymiyyah yeah
32:00 <GreekSnake> no, that's been its primary meaning since the beginning
32:00 <GreekSnake> this "personal" nonsense was invented only recently by Muslims in the West
32:00 <GreekSnake> seeking to justify their continued presence here
32:00 <Tigger_> so basically if Taymiyyah had been a Hare Krishna, today we'd be living in mortal fear of orange robed vegetarians
33:00 <GreekSnake> LOL
33:00 <GreekSnake> https://www.facebook.com/jalalrostampour/videos/1224830354199685/
34:00 <mrwuf> lets switch back to a religion your more knowledgable
34:00 <GreekSnake> mrwuf, are these Sunni or Shia monkeys?
34:00 <mrwuf> I don't know
34:00 <GreekSnake> you're a muslim, aren't you?
34:00 <GreekSnake> you should know
34:00 <mrwuf> maybe these concepts are too complex
35:00 <Tigger_> When Muhammad saw Hamzah he said, ‘If Allah gives me victory over the Quraysh at any time, I shall mutilate thirty of their men!’ When the Muslims saw the rage of the Prophet they said, ‘By Allah, if we are victorious over them, we shall mutilate them in a way which no Arab has ever mutilated anybody.
35:00 <Tigger_> Al-Tabari, Vol. 7, p. 133, See Also Ishaq:387
35:00 <GreekSnake> no, they're really not
35:00 <GreekSnake> they're quite simple, actually
35:00 <mrwuf> I'm not a muslim 
35:00 <GreekSnake> merely an apologist for islam?
35:00 <mrwuf> but I know things about things
36:00 <GreekSnake> your entire thesis is based on a false premise
36:00 <mrwuf> I don't like any organised religions tbh the prophets are dead, the caretakers are completely mad for power
36:00 <mrwuf> are the catholic priests raping children in your part of the world too?
36:00 <GreekSnake> that jihad only acquired violent connotations after Taymiyyah, when in reality it was that way from the time of Mohammed
36:00 <Tigger_> A raiding party led by Zayd set out against Umm in Ramadan. During it, Umm suffered a cruel death. Zyad tied her legs with rope and then tied her between two camels until they split her in two. She was a very old woman. Then they brought Umm’s daughter and Abdallah to the Messenger. Umm’s daughter belonged to Salamah who had captured her. Muhammad asked Salamah for her, and Salamah gave her to him.
36:00 <Tigger_> Al-Tabari, Vol. 8, p. 96
36:00 <GreekSnake> Catholic priests can't possibly be raping more children than Muslim men are
37:00 <Tigger_> The Prophet gave orders concerning Kinanah to Zubayr, saying, ‘Torture him until you root out and extract what he has. So Zubayr kindled a fire on Kinanah’s chest, twirling it with his firestick until Kinanah was near death. Then the Messenger gave him to Maslamah, who beheaded him.
37:00 <Tigger_> Al-Tabari, Vol. 8, p. 122, See Also Ishaq:515
37:00 <Tigger_> if anything, ISIS are still a bit soft
37:00 <mrwuf> I dislike all religions with an equal amount of disdain, so I'm sort of a neutral 
37:00 <mrwuf> I don't hate them tho, I just see them for what they are
38:00 <GreekSnake> ah yes, the standard leftist approach to religion
38:00 <GreekSnake> "I dislike all religions equally, but don't you dare criticize Islam"
38:00 <mrwuf> you can frame me into whatever corner of whatever box your comfortable with
38:00 <GreekSnake> of course I can, and I will
38:00 <mrwuf> you can make critical comments, thats fine, just be factual
38:00 <Tigger_> Following Badr, Muhammad sent a number of raiders with orders to capture some of the Meccans and burn them alive.
38:00 <Tigger_> Ishaq:316
38:00 <GreekSnake> I'm being entirely factual
39:00 <mrwuf> this is kind of why I keep out of religious conversations, it arouses the emotions rather than the rational part of the mind
39:00 <GreekSnake> you're the one engaging in historical revisionism
39:00 <Tigger_> Narrated AbuzZinad: When the Apostle of Allah (peace be upon him) cut off (the hands and feet of) those who had stolen his camels and he had their eyes put out by fire (heated nails), Allah reprimanded him on that (action), and Allah, the Exalted, revealed: "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Apostle and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is execution or crucifixion."
39:00 <Tigger_> Abu Dawud 38:4357
40:00 <mrwuf> I was explaining to you, at your request, the origins of the fundamentalism current that now runs through islam
40:00 <Tigger_> I'm not sure what the actual reprimand is, Allah seems to have been endorsing what he did
40:00 <GreekSnake> it's precisely your emotions, i.e. your anti-racist sensibilities, that are preventing you from accepting the true meaning of jihad
40:00 <GreekSnake> and I'm telling you that your thesis is simply wrong
40:00 <Tigger_> mrwuf, all these Hadiths were written down centuries before Taymiyyah
41:00 <mrwuf> I don't want to argue, I was only trying to help
41:00 <GreekSnake> the origins of Islamic fundamentalism lie in Mohammed himself
41:00 <Tigger_> don't you think it's more likely that a scholar like Taymiyyah was well versed in the Hadith, and said to himself "That's what we need to get back to!"
41:00 <mrwuf> well by that logic the origins of the crusades was from jesus?
42:00 <Tigger_> false equivalence
42:00 <mrwuf> the spanish inquisition ... jesus?
42:00 <Tigger_> the Crusades were a defensive action
42:00 <GreekSnake> the Crusades were a necessary reaction to Muslim aggression
42:00 <GreekSnake> but they were not endorsed by Jesus
42:00 <mrwuf> no I'm afraid these teachings are twisted for mostly self serving purposes that sometimes arise
42:00 <Tigger_> the Spanish Inquisition was a consolidation of secular power in Spain
43:00 <GreekSnake> Jesus would probably have disapproved, but who cares?
43:00 <mrwuf> its a familiar story, very saddening
43:00 <GreekSnake> Jesus wasn't a warmonger during his lifetime, Mohammed was
43:00 <GreekSnake> there is no comparison between the two
43:00 <Tigger_> besides, at least in the Spanish Inquisition each victim got a trial, not an indiscriminate massacre
43:00 <GreekSnake> modern jihadists are simply following Mohammed's example
43:00 <GreekSnake> Jesus left no such example
44:00 <GreekSnake> lol@Tigger_'s admiration for medieval Spanish due process
44:00 <GreekSnake> Marttin would be delighted
44:00 <GreekSnake> if anything, the Crusaders were simply following the Muslims' example
44:00 <GreekSnake> stooping to their level, if you will
44:00 <GreekSnake> in order to deal with them
45:00 <mrwuf> whatever helps you sleep better
45:00 <Tigger_> the Crusades should really be renamed World War One, to give some idea of what was at stake
45:00 <Marttin> cock in
45:00 <GreekSnake> it's the same reason why perfectly liberal people like Dutch are going to elect Geert Wilders
45:00 <GreekSnake> you can't confront Muslims with tolerance and happy thoughts
45:00 <GreekSnake> you have to be ruthless
45:00 <Tigger_> well you can, which they'll perceive as weakness
46:00 <GreekSnake> dipping the bullets in pigs' blood is a good start, as Daddy pointed out the other day
46:00 <mrwuf> yes and had you been born in some arab land I'm sure we'd probably be having the same conversation only reversed with your criticisms directed at christdom, its very boring
46:00 <mrwuf> your trying to argue with a neutral 
47:00 <GreekSnake> lol
47:00 <GreekSnake> and only the West tolerates the existence of "neutrals"
47:00 <GreekSnake> so you're lucky in that sense
47:00 <mrwuf> a fairly recent development no?
47:00 <Tigger_> the argument would then be "Why don't those infidel Christians realise they can have all the benefits of Muslim society, if only they'd just convert"
48:00 <GreekSnake> very recent development, and one which will evaporate if the Muslim invasion continues
48:00 <mrwuf> christdom has about 600 years on islam
48:00 <GreekSnake> our newly won freedoms are already being threatened by Islam
49:00 <GreekSnake> do you think you'll be able to remain "neutral" when the muslims take over?
49:00 <Marttin> the russians earned them, we got them gifted
50:00 <mrwuf> you lack an understanding about the topics your discussing and its becoming painful for me
50:00 <Tigger_> what doesn't GreekSnake understand?
50:00 <mrwuf> I want your rational mind not the emotional circuit
50:00 <GreekSnake> I am being perfectly rational
50:00 <GreekSnake> you're the emotional lefty
50:00 <GreekSnake> are you a feminist too?
50:00 <mrwuf> maybe you don't have one?
50:00 <Tigger_> GreekSnake is being rational, he'd get thrown off a rooftop under Islam
50:00 <GreekSnake> exaclty
51:00 <GreekSnake> it's not an irrational fear when they really do want to kill you
51:00 <mrwuf> we're all humans yes?
51:00 <GreekSnake> but if reality is too painful for you, feel free to retreat to your fantasy land
51:00 <GreekSnake> yes we are, so what?
52:00 <GreekSnake> that doesn't mean we can or should treat everyone equally
52:00 <Tigger_> "humans" isn't a very useful category outside of strict biology, given some humans are of Neanderthal descent, while others are not
52:00 <GreekSnake> heh
53:00 <mrwuf> can you tell me what baptism is
53:00 <mrwuf> what holy communion is
53:00 <GreekSnake> the funny thing about leftists is that they're always harping on about "humans" and "human rights", but never acknowledge the humanity of their ideological opponents
54:00 <mrwuf> not using some outdated terminology with evolved meaning of words you don't comprehend 
54:00 <GreekSnake> if you're Donald Trump, for instance, you are not human at all
54:00 <mrwuf> what is it?
54:00 <Marttin> comprehende?
54:00 <GreekSnake> which words don't we comprehend?
55:00 <GreekSnake> hypostasis?
55:00 <GreekSnake> or homoousian
55:00 <Tigger_> Donald Trump is a highly evolved human, aka, a Scot
55:00 <GreekSnake> lol
55:00 <Marttin> homoousian, from ancient greek, gay gook
55:00 <GreekSnake> he's half German isn't he?
55:00 <GreekSnake> LOL Marttin
55:00 <mrwuf> see, this is the problem
55:00 <Tigger_> the German genes are recessive
56:00 <GreekSnake> heh
56:00 <mrwuf> do you know the meaning of the word hoodwinked
56:00 <Tigger_> tell us about the etymology of hoodwinked
56:00 <mrwuf> its a joke
57:00 <GreekSnake> leftists always accuse their opponents of being "ignorant", without precisely identifying what they mean
57:00 <GreekSnake> ignorant of what, exactly?
57:00 <GreekSnake> it's just another insult intended to shut down debate
57:00 <GreekSnake> like "racist", or "bigot"
57:00 <mrwuf> I'm asking you about religious experience
58:00 <GreekSnake> what about it?
59:00 <mrwuf> do you have any
59:00 <GreekSnake> a bit, why?
59:00 <mrwuf> because those concepts would make sense to you, and this conversation would be entirely different
00:00 <GreekSnake> another common tactic of theirs is to decide an arbitrary new orthodoxy, e.g. "Islamic fundamentalism dates back only to Taymiyyah", and then accuse you of "ignorance" if you reject it based on historical facts
00:00 <Tigger_> or first hand accounts of Mohammed
01:00 <GreekSnake> even if that were the case, which it isn't, it doesn't mean we should tolerate Islam
02:00 <GreekSnake> because you're still admitting that there is a problem
02:00 <mrwuf> and if I joined an arabic irc server I would probably hear the exact same sentiments from someone equally blind
02:00 <GreekSnake> blind of what?
02:00 <GreekSnake> why won't you tell us?
02:00 <GreekSnake> of the need to "respect" religion? what, exactly?
03:00 <Tigger_> Allah said, ‘A prophet must slaughter before collecting captives. A slaughtered enemy is driven from the land. Muhammad, you craved the desires of this world, its goods and the ransom captives would bring. But Allah desires killing them to manifest the religion.’
03:00 <Tigger_> Ishaq:327
03:00 <GreekSnake> such a bloodthirsty cult
03:00 <GreekSnake> it's disgusting
04:00 <mrwuf> theres lots already I've shared
04:00 <Tigger_> Allah, what a fine band you have, one willing to kill Sallam and Ashraf! We went with sharp swords, like fighting lions. We came upon their homes and made them drink death with our swift-slaying swords. Looking for the victory of our Prophet’s religion, we ignored every risk.
04:00 <Tigger_> Ishaq:483
04:00 <GreekSnake> someone at uni once told me that I had to respect Islam because it was "one of the world's major religions"
04:00 <GreekSnake> lol
04:00 <GreekSnake> so I have a respect a delusion simply because it happens to be a mass delusion?
05:00 <GreekSnake> *to
05:00 <GreekSnake> so I have to respect Islam, but not Scientology which is just as kooky but nowhere near as violent
05:00 <Tigger_> or everyone's favourite:
05:00 <Tigger_> “Abu Huraira reported Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews.” — Sahih Mu
05:00 <Tigger_> slim 6985
05:00 <GreekSnake> heh
06:00 <GreekSnake> that's a great one
06:00 <GreekSnake> for those who think that Muslims only started hating Jews after the creation of Israel
06:00 <GreekSnake> "but we lived together in peace before"
06:00 <GreekSnake> yeah, under total Islamic domination where Jews were second-class dhimma
07:00 <mrwuf> lets talk big picture
07:00 <mrwuf> before religion... what was going on
08:00 <mrwuf> compare before, until now
08:00 <mrwuf> quite an achievement 
08:00 <Tigger_> Mohammed had a particular personal mania against Jews, as he imagined that they would be highly impressed by his new religion and immediately convert, they did not, and he then ranted about perfidious Jews ever after
08:00 <GreekSnake> it's quite possible he was a Jew himself
08:00 <Tigger_> ironically it was a Jew that killed Mohammed
08:00 <mrwuf> the mere fact we're possibly on other sides of the world communicating at light speed is quite an evolutionary step
08:00 <GreekSnake> there were plenty in Arabia at the time
08:00 <GreekSnake> Yathrib (Medina) was a Jewish city
08:00 <mrwuf> so religions serve a purpose
08:00 <mrwuf> they come and go
09:00 <mrwuf> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5f-_oigazHs
09:00 <BlackDevil> Youtube: Pearl Jam- Do the Evolution (with Lyrics) (Oct 13, 2011) Length: 3:59 - Category: Music - 356,437 views - 938 likes (92.4%), 77 dislikes (7.6%)
09:00 <Tigger_> there are no new religions that have taken hold since Islam, it was the last
09:00 <GreekSnake> lol
09:00 <GreekSnake> Pearl Jam
09:00 <GreekSnake> exposed
10:00 <Tigger_> #pd is a trance/progressive house channel
10:00 <GreekSnake> this music just cannot be listened to
10:00 <GreekSnake> it's just noise
10:00 <mrwuf> getting tree dwelling fruit eating monkeys, onto the ground, hunting, agriculture, tribes, towns, cities, countries
10:00 <GreekSnake> but that's just my "ignorance", no doubt
10:00 <GreekSnake> lol
10:00 <Tigger_> the best thing about Marco Rubio
10:00 <mrwuf> communicating at light speed 
11:00 <GreekSnake> trance can be quite beautiful and melodic, I can listen to trance
11:00 <GreekSnake> religion did all that, mrwuf?
11:00 <Tigger_> Trump likes Elton John
11:00 <mrwuf> iterations of that in various forms and manifestations
11:00 <GreekSnake> why do heteros love Elton so much?
11:00 <GreekSnake> I can't stand her
11:00 <Tigger_> I don't know, you have to be of a certain age I think
12:00 <GreekSnake> no, civilization did that
12:00 <mrwuf> lots of work
12:00 <GreekSnake> religion is just one feature of it
12:00 <GreekSnake> wow, Boris Johnson is going to campaign for the No side
12:00 <GreekSnake> his old bum chum David Cameron will be furious
12:00 <erlich> i love Elton, his music is quite emotive. great piano too
12:00 <mrwuf> do you get the vibe that religions are perhaps outdated and are slowly being shed
13:00 <GreekSnake> only in the West, mrwuf
13:00 <GreekSnake> religious obscurantism is thriving in the rest of the world, especially the Muslim world
13:00 <GreekSnake> postmodern Westerners think religion is dead, but they've never been to the Middle East
14:00 <Tigger_> I don't get that impression at all, such as every Republican (party of civilisation and freedom) candidate has very vocally committed themselves to Christ, while the Democrats are the post-religion, post-civilisation party
14:00 <mrwuf> whats next?
14:00 <mrwuf> ah but do you think they know christ?
15:00 <mrwuf> do you think they know what they are talking about
15:00 <GreekSnake> but they're not culturally dominant, even in America
15:00 <GreekSnake> the secular Left dominates Western culture, but only Western culture
15:00 <mrwuf> so whats next?
15:00 <GreekSnake> the rest of the world is unaffected and even antithetical to it
15:00 <mrwuf> ok let me try from another angle
15:00 <mrwuf> being human, has it always been like this
16:00 <GreekSnake> what's next is the West's fall to religious, specifically Islamic fundamentalism
16:00 <Tigger_> the Democrat position on religion is "I greatly respect Kwanzaa and Santa Muerte"
16:00 <GreekSnake> and the end of the secular Western experiment
16:00 <Tigger_> sorry, rephrase: the Democrat position on religion is "I greatly respect Kwanzaa, Santa Muerte, and Islam"
16:00 <GreekSnake> lol
16:00 <mrwuf> our lifetimes are so small relative to the evolution of our species
17:00 <GreekSnake> yes, our current secular world is an exception
17:00 <mrwuf> a million years ago... what do you think it was like being a proto-human
17:00 <GreekSnake> and it probably won't last very long
17:00 <mrwuf> I want to leave all that religious talk behind
18:00 <mrwuf> because the meanings of the words have evolved into something thats lost mostly 
18:00 <GreekSnake> Enlightenment values are already retreating
18:00 <Tigger_> secularism is just the vacuum waiting to be filled by Islam and other primitivisms, and it certainly isn't the first phase of secularism
18:00 <GreekSnake> you can't even draw a cartoon any more
18:00 <GreekSnake> Tigger_, it doesn't have to be like that
18:00 <GreekSnake> there are plenty of solid secularists, like Pat Condell
19:00 <Tigger_> they are very few in number
19:00 <GreekSnake> :(
19:00 <GreekSnake> poz atheism is the worst
19:00 <GreekSnake> makes me want to start going to church again
19:00 <Tigger_> that reminds me, Poz Myers chucked a huge tantrum against Dawkins for stumbling onto the truth
20:00 <GreekSnake> what did he say?
20:00 <Tigger_> and has sworn not to attend any event that Dawkins has anything to do with, and what Dawkins said is so terrible he won't even repeat it
21:00 <GreekSnake> mrwuf, the "we're all humans" mantra has never stopped humans from slaughtering each other
21:00 <GreekSnake> yes, we are all humans and part of being human is to "struggle" against other humans
22:00 <mrwuf> your style of communication when it comes to religious matters is probably something that needs work
22:00 <GreekSnake> why?
22:00 <GreekSnake> too strident?
22:00 <GreekSnake> Tigger_, what did Dawkins say that was so haram?
23:00 <mrwuf> like a blind man in a jungle making a lot of noise
23:00 <Tigger_> I'm trying to find it now, a hate tweet
23:00 <GreekSnake> I reject your assertion totally
24:00 <GreekSnake> hate tweet about whom? feminists or muslims?
24:00 <Tigger_> here it is: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/richard-dawkins-disinvited-from-conference-for-offending-feminists/article/2581704
24:00 <GreekSnake> lol, it had to be one or the other
25:00 <Tigger_> http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/01/29/why-did-this-tweet-silence-richard-dawkins.html
26:00 <GreekSnake> others have pointed out the similarities between feminists and Islamists
26:00 <mrwuf> try being friendly with everyone no matter their race, creed, colour, or religion
26:00 <GreekSnake> why?
26:00 <mrwuf> the universe is made of language
26:00 <Tigger_> I regard feminism and Islam to be criminal acts
26:00 <mrwuf> the language you make is not friendly
26:00 <GreekSnake> you say that, but why?
26:00 <GreekSnake> but why does it have to be friendly?
26:00 <erlich> i see feminism control freaks to be the OH&S of the political world
27:00 <GreekSnake> why should I be friendly towards those who want me dead?
27:00 <mrwuf> making enemies never made much sense to me
27:00 <erlich> with all their rules and "dangers" etc
27:00 <Tigger_> GreekSnake has no choice in the matter
27:00 <GreekSnake> I'm their enemy simply by virtue of my existence
27:00 <GreekSnake> whether I agree or not
28:00 <GreekSnake> why be in denial about it?
28:00 <mrwuf> really?
28:00 <mrwuf> I have no enemies
28:00 <mrwuf> that makes me welcome everywhere
28:00 <Tigger_> the cartoon in question, featuring Big Red: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecJUqhm2g08
28:00 <GreekSnake> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecJUqhm2g08
28:00 <GreekSnake> LOL
28:00 <BlackDevil> Youtube: Feminists Love Islamists (Jan 8, 2016) Length: 2:02 - Category: News & Politics - 598,918 views - 28,460 likes (92.7%), 2,232 dislikes (7.3%)
28:00 <GreekSnake> so she was "threatened", was she?
29:00 <GreekSnake> this video is hilarious
29:00 <GreekSnake> mrwuf, have you ever travelled to a Muslim country?
29:00 <mrwuf> have you
31:00 <GreekSnake> only Dubai, and only in transit
31:00 <GreekSnake> but my bf was born and raised in a Muslim country, so he's told me all about it ;)
32:00 <Tigger_> anyway, that's the video that Poz Myers wouldn't even allude to, as it was so problematic
32:00 <mrwuf> how does your sexuality sync with your religion
32:00 <mrwuf> probably better than you realise
33:00 <GreekSnake> my religion?
33:00 <GreekSnake> I'm an atheist
33:00 <GreekSnake> I love how the Muslim has a cheap London accent, so accurate
34:00 <mrwuf> I'm strong enough not to fear difference, are you
34:00 <Tigger_> it'll only be a matter of time before Dawkins declares that the Church of England is the one true religion
34:00 <GreekSnake> not when that difference results in my head being separated from my body
34:00 <GreekSnake> heh
34:00 <erlich> both Dawkins and Penn/Teller have warmed up to Christianity over the years
34:00 <GreekSnake> besides, the Other is hugely overrated
36:00 <GreekSnake> only because they're comparing it to Islam
36:00 <GreekSnake> thanks to Islam, we can't even be proper atheists any more
36:00 <mrwuf> dawkins is a tricky one, he's either an intelligent dunce or a fiendish trickster  
36:00 <GreekSnake> we have to defend Christianity and its cultural legacy
36:00 <Tigger_> the Atheist schism was marked by people like Thunderf00t saying he prefers to hang around young earth creationists than feminists
37:00 <GreekSnake> <mrwuf> I'm strong enough not to fear difference, are you
38:00 <GreekSnake> go say that in Raqqa
38:00 <Tigger_> Salon, always with the most official progressive fatwas, this time against Dawkins: http://www.salon.com/2016/01/28/stop_pouting_richard_dawkins_sharing_a_rape_joke_targeting_an_activist_is_a_de_platforming_offense/
39:00 <GreekSnake> what's the problem? wouldn't she just tell her rapist to "shut the fuck up"?
39:00 <GreekSnake> "Dawkins, a provocative scientist, author and thinker who at one time people actually took seriously, has over the past few years evolved into a round the clock bigot."
40:00 <GreekSnake> lol, but they adored him when he slammed Christianity
40:00 <Tigger_> the rape threats were probably fake anyway
40:00 <GreekSnake> I know, who'd want to rape that red-haired landwhale anyway?
40:00 <GreekSnake> only a Muslim would, which I guess was the point of the video
40:00 <mrwuf> what are your hair colour and eye colour 
41:00 <GreekSnake> dark blond hair and hazel/green eyes, you?
41:00 <mrwuf> similar with dark brown hair
41:00 <GreekSnake> what's your ethnicity?
42:00 <mrwuf> kind of a mix from what I my parents have told me... australian, american, scotish, british and chinese
42:00 <mrwuf> I look kind of greek
42:00 <mrwuf> olive skin
42:00 <GreekSnake> post a pic
42:00 <mrwuf> maybe some other time
42:00 <GreekSnake> Greek? I'll be the judge of that
43:00 <GreekSnake> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CZw1XYeWIAMeFmW.jpg:large
44:00 <GreekSnake> https://twitter.com/RichardDawkins/status/699961974495580160
44:00 <GreekSnake> so he was invited back after all
44:00 <mrwuf> what kind of feet https://davidkanigan.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/toes.png
46:00 <mrwuf> last one. how would you describe the size of your nose; tiny, small, medium, large, extra large
46:00 <Tigger_> I have Greek toes according to that
46:00 <GreekSnake> I have Roman toes, but my mother has Greek toes
46:00 <Tigger_> I thought Greek toes were the default of the human race
47:00 <Marttin> lol, i remember talking about this pic
47:00 <Tigger_> yes
47:00 <GreekSnake> apparently not
47:00 <GreekSnake> Tigger_, yours are probably Celtic rather than Greek
47:00 <GreekSnake> they're quite similar
48:00 <Tigger_> no, my little toe follows the Greek angle
49:00 <GreekSnake> https://richarddawkins.net/2016/02/an-update-on-richards-condition-in-his-own-words/
49:00 <mrwuf> tiny nose?
50:00 <Tigger_> what is his condition?
50:00 <Tigger_> he's only 74
51:00 <mrwuf> I only look for the best in people, my goal is to help unlock their potential
51:00 <GreekSnake> he suffered a mild stroke
51:00 <GreekSnake> how do you achieve that, mrwuf?
51:00 <mrwuf> well that all depends on you
52:00 <GreekSnake> urgh
52:00 <GreekSnake> don't tell me you're a "life coach"
52:00 <Tigger_> Christopher Hitchens only made it to 62, all the drinking
53:00 <mrwuf> no I'm a nobody
53:00 <GreekSnake> and smoking
53:00 <GreekSnake> but that was the kind of bloke he was
54:00 <GreekSnake> it would've been great to still have him around
54:00 <GreekSnake> his brother Peter can be so dry
54:00 <GreekSnake> he'll probably live to 100
54:00 <mrwuf> are you tall with a small nose
54:00 <GreekSnake> yes, but medium nose
55:00 <GreekSnake> I wouldn't describe it as small
55:00 <mrwuf> the bigger the better!!
55:00 <GreekSnake> it's definitely aquiline
55:00 <GreekSnake> I look more like a Roman statue than a Greek one, truth be told
55:00 <mrwuf> or maybe its the smaller the better, idk
55:00 <GreekSnake> big nose, big dick ;)
55:00 <mrwuf> yes its a secondary sex characteristic
55:00 <GreekSnake> yes
56:00 <GreekSnake> but it's by no means a huge Jew nose either
56:00 <GreekSnake> it's nice, it matches my face
56:00 <mrwuf> great, mines a little bit hooked too... its been broken a couple of times
57:00 <mrwuf> big chin or small chin
57:00 <GreekSnake> normal
57:00 <GreekSnake> I don't have any extreme or outstanding features
57:00 <mrwuf> does your hair recede into a V
57:00 <GreekSnake> I'm perfectly symmetrical
57:00 <GreekSnake> no
58:00 <GreekSnake> I'm only 23, the hair hasn't started to recede yet
58:00 <mrwuf> wonderful
58:00 <GreekSnake> but my father still has a full head of hair, so I'm fairly optimistic on that front
58:00 <GreekSnake> why are you asking all these questions?
58:00 <mrwuf> well so I can better understand you
58:00 <GreekSnake> another #pd queen to add to the mixt? lol
58:00 <Tigger_> I have a Dracula hairline
58:00 <mrwuf> hahah
58:00 <GreekSnake> I thought you had long hair like Gilfoyle
59:00 <mrwuf> whats that
59:00 <Tigger_> yes, but pull my hair back, and the line is Dracula style
59:00 <GreekSnake> Tigger_'s hair does recede into a V
59:00 <mrwuf> ah its the V
59:00 <GreekSnake> yeah
59:00 <GreekSnake> I hate that, actually
59:00 <GreekSnake> find it quite ugly on a man
59:00 <mrwuf> my hair does that too
00:00 <GreekSnake> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Widow%27s_peak
00:00 <GreekSnake> well you're going to die young, according to this
00:00 <GreekSnake> The term stems from the belief that hair growing to a point on the forehead – suggestive of the peak of a widow's hood – is an omen of early widowhood.[5]
00:00 <mrwuf> definitely limits the sorts of hairstyles
00:00 <mrwuf> no hitler youth cuts thats certain 
01:00 <Tigger_> A number of fictional people have a widow's peak.[21] In film this trait is often associated with a villain or antagonist;[22] Count Dracula is an example. Eddie Munster – from the television program "The Munsters" – also had this distinctive hairline.[21] Another villain depicted as having widow's peak hair is The Joker from "Batman" comic books and films. Vegeta from the Dragon Ball franchise is known for his widow's peak.[21] Hannib
01:00 <Tigger_> al Lecter is described as having one in the novels that feature his story.
01:00 <GreekSnake> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8R5HN6oWdC4
01:00 <BlackDevil> Youtube: Samsung Galaxy Unpacked 2016 (Date not found) Length: 0:00 - Category: Science & Technology - /span views - likes dislikes
01:00 <GreekSnake> Samsung Galaxy S7 live stream
02:00 <Tigger_> it gets less exciting each time
03:00 <Tigger_> 549924 watching now
03:00 <GreekSnake> well my bf made me stay up for this
03:00 <Tigger_> heh
03:00 <GreekSnake> where did mrwuf go?
04:00 <GreekSnake> he must've blown his load
04:00 <mrwuf> im here, going to sleep in about 10minutes
04:00 <mrwuf> my router resets at 4am
04:00 <Tigger_> it keeps pausing :(
05:00 <mrwuf> don't fear muslims they are just people like you and me
05:00 <mrwuf> those isis guys are meth heads
05:00 <mrwuf> like we have them too, they are awful
05:00 <mrwuf> not always or a rule, but adrenaline is a big influence on behaviour
06:00 <GreekSnake> fuck the muslims
06:00 <mrwuf> its useful, a tiger jumps out from the bushes... you don't want to stand around reasoning you want to ACT
06:00 <Tigger_> they became meth heads to be better muslims
06:00 <mrwuf> and the people that fought or fled, survived so its a trait, a evolutionary strategy 
07:00 <GreekSnake> so we have to love muslims but hate fascists, right?
07:00 <mrwuf> time seems to speed up, senses are heightened by thought processes are operating without empathy
08:00 <mrwuf> useful for brief moments of life or death situations, daily abuse dangerous to yourself and others
08:00 <Tigger_> relating experiences working with the Garaxy lange
08:00 <GreekSnake> haha
08:00 <GreekSnake> his English is woeful
08:00 <GreekSnake> why do they even bother?
08:00 <mrwuf> by/but
09:00 <GreekSnake> <mrwuf> like we have them too, they are awful
09:00 <GreekSnake> who's "we"?
09:00 <mrwuf> using your terminology 'the west'
10:00 <GreekSnake> so you're a Westerner?
10:00 <GreekSnake> you haven't been clear about your identity or whereabouts
10:00 <mrwuf> australia, this is an australian irc server
10:00 <GreekSnake> lol@Samsung using the "we are human" line
11:00 <GreekSnake> ah ok
11:00 <GreekSnake> whereabouts in Australia?
11:00 <Tigger_> Jobs would just say "You don't know what you want, but I know"
11:00 <mrwuf> about a hour north of tigger by air
11:00 <GreekSnake> ah, no wonder you're so naïve about Islam
11:00 <GreekSnake> you don't see it where you live
11:00 <mrwuf> just off the start of the great barrier reef
11:00 <GreekSnake> makes sense
12:00 <mrwuf> I see things from a different perspective to you thats all
12:00 <GreekSnake> well you live in a tropical paradise
12:00 <GreekSnake> of course you see things differently
12:00 <Tigger_> like 96% white Iowa not voting for Trump, they don't understand what the fuss is about
12:00 <GreekSnake> yes
12:00 <GreekSnake> precisely
13:00 <mrwuf> religions represent enormous volumes of people
13:00 <mrwuf> their leaders, much like our own are self elected and primarily self serving, there are exceptions of course
13:00 <GreekSnake> precisely, which is why we must be so wary
14:00 <GreekSnake> I didn't really understand what the fuss was about either till I visited Londonistan
14:00 <mrwuf> hitler was into christdom
14:00 <mrwuf> he's somewhat of a villain 
14:00 <GreekSnake> Islam's problem isn't its leaders, actually
14:00 <GreekSnake> it's the fact that masses of Muslims believe in this shit
14:00 <mrwuf> every religion, massive amounts of people
15:00 <mrwuf> so its impossible to make statements that accurately reflect them all
15:00 <Tigger_> if anything the leaders of Islamic countries have put a bit of a brake on the inherent inclinations of Islam
15:00 <GreekSnake> they accurately reflect enough of them to identify the problem
16:00 <mrwuf> well consider priests raping children, is that a reflection of you
16:00 <mrwuf> I don't think so
16:00 <GreekSnake> no, since I'm an atheist
16:00 <GreekSnake> but it is a reflection of Catholicism
16:00 <mrwuf> have you thought about being agnostic 
16:00 <GreekSnake> leftists always use that argument about Catholic priests
16:00 <mrwuf> I have a left hand a right hand
17:00 <Tigger_> statistically even Catholic priests do not have a higher incidence of paedophilia than wider society (non-sexual sadism is another story however)
17:00 <GreekSnake> as if they don't link paedophilia to Catholicism all the time
17:00 <GreekSnake> no, agnosticism is just a cop-out
17:00 <mrwuf> if you don't believe in any god or gods, do you think any god or gods believe in you?
17:00 <GreekSnake> no, since they don't exist
18:00 <mrwuf> I think agnosticism is wise
18:00 <GreekSnake> it's giving far too much credence to the possibility that a man-made myth might be true
18:00 <mrwuf> its saying, ah you say all these things but where is the proof? and you begin looking... atheism is closing your eyes 
19:00 <GreekSnake> there is no proof because there cannot be any proof
19:00 <mrwuf> maybe or maybe not, thats your personal journey
19:00 <GreekSnake> my personal jihad?
19:00 <mrwuf> the question is not is there or isn't there, its how much knowledge can you handle before you say ENOUGH
20:00 <mrwuf> or TOO MUCH
20:00 <mrwuf> that limitation is entirely self determined
20:00 <GreekSnake> there can never be a limit on knowledge
21:00 <mrwuf> ah do you suppose upright walking monkeys can handle knowing the supreme knowledge of the universe
22:00 <GreekSnake> how do you know that a "supreme knowledge of the universe" exists at all, if you're just an upright-walking monkey?
22:00 <mrwuf> well theres evidence everywhere isn't there, you would have to be blind to miss it
22:00 <GreekSnake> it's just a "hunch" you have, based on the culture you've been raised in
22:00 <mrwuf> take a walk in a jungle
22:00 <GreekSnake> like what?
22:00 <GreekSnake> where's teh evidence?
22:00 <mrwuf> nature is intelligent and alive
22:00 <GreekSnake> well it's alive
23:00 <Tigger_> there can be no evidence
23:00 <GreekSnake> or part of its
23:00 <GreekSnake> *it is
23:00 <mrwuf> how you define your relationships is entirely on you, predation, symbiosis or parasitism 
23:00 <Tigger_> this phone is waterproof
23:00 <Tigger_> micro-SD slot this time
23:00 <GreekSnake> the microSD slot is back
23:00 <Tigger_> yeah
23:00 <GreekSnake> lol@taking it to the "next level"
24:00 <mrwuf> we don't "find ourselves" after all... we create ourselves
24:00 <GreekSnake> mrwuf, that gobbledygook means nothing to me
24:00 <mrwuf> maybe one day it might
25:00 <GreekSnake> I doubt it
25:00 <GreekSnake> and even if it did, it wouldn't be because of any inherent truth in what you're saying
25:00 <GreekSnake> but because my human weaknesses would lead me to seek "answers" in the supernatural
26:00 <mrwuf> weakness is closing your eyes
26:00 <mrwuf> strength is seeking the truth, and loving the truth, whatever it ends up being
26:00 <GreekSnake> what's the truth?
26:00 <mrwuf> and I don't know what it is
26:00 <GreekSnake> Allah?
26:00 <mrwuf> its a personal journey
26:00 <GreekSnake> what if I told you that my current position is the truth?
26:00 <mrwuf> all you need is the right attitude and fearlessness
27:00 <mrwuf> see this universe is amazing
27:00 <GreekSnake> why is your "truth" more real?
27:00 <mrwuf> if you seek these experiences, they find you
27:00 <GreekSnake> let me guess, ayahuasca?
27:00 <GreekSnake> stimulating the pineal gland?
27:00 <mrwuf> maybe idk I've never tried it
28:00 <mrwuf> I've read things about that experience and they always seem glowing
28:00 <GreekSnake> there is simply no evidence to support any of what you're saying
28:00 <GreekSnake> it's pure conjecture
28:00 <mrwuf> maybe one day it'll find me 
28:00 <mrwuf> I hope so
28:00 <Tigger_> didn't some chavs stab each other on that a few weeks ago?
29:00 <GreekSnake> what religious people fail to realize is that the fact that you want it to be true doesn't mean that it is
29:00 <GreekSnake> it may make you feel better, more enlightened, more "in touch with the universe"
29:00 <GreekSnake> but they're just feelings
29:00 <GreekSnake> not facts
30:00 <mrwuf> maybe theres a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow?
30:00 <GreekSnake> or, more likely, maybe there isn't
30:00 <Tigger_> it's impossible to argue for a religious proposition, but it is possible to argue against the criticisms of it
30:00 <GreekSnake> yes, I might win the lottery
30:00 <GreekSnake> but the chances are I won't
31:00 <Tigger_> so replaceable batteries are back?
31:00 <GreekSnake> if that's true, what's the point of theology?
32:00 <Tigger_> theology is the logic built upon revelation
32:00 <GreekSnake> whose revelation?
32:00 <Marttin> i have a medical exam tomorrow
32:00 <GreekSnake> for what, Marttin?
32:00 <Tigger_> the revelation of the Bible
32:00 <Marttin> for the driving license
32:00 <Tigger_> why are you learning to drive?
33:00 <Marttin> im afraid of the medics touching my parts
33:00 <GreekSnake> that small group of Jews, you mean?
33:00 <GreekSnake> LOL
33:00 <GreekSnake> why do we privilege the experience of that small group of Jews so much?
33:00 <Tigger_> lol, so you have to be fondled to get a driver's license
33:00 <GreekSnake> why are they so special?
33:00 <Marttin> i remember at the pediatrist when the doctor said, retract your foreskin
33:00 <Tigger_> because God came to them
33:00 <GreekSnake> why their "revelation" and not anyone else's?
33:00 <Marttin> it was traumatic
33:00 <GreekSnake> God is only a character in their mythology
34:00 <GreekSnake> lol Marttin, do you have a particularly tight foreskin?
34:00 <GreekSnake> 4,4yummy
34:00 <Tigger_> it was obviously a good choice on God's part, since the jews went on to share the revelation with the rest of the world
34:00 <Marttin> because it will give me independence from busses and trains tigger
34:00 <GreekSnake> tell us more about your traumatic foreskin story, Marttin
35:00 <Tigger_> to drive by girl's schools
35:00 <Marttin> normal I guess
35:00 <GreekSnake> lol
35:00 <GreekSnake> he probably wanted to suck it
35:00 <Marttin> I was too old for that 
35:00 <GreekSnake> filthy pedo
35:00 <Marttin> heh, probably happened to me earlier in life, and I dont remember
36:00 <Marttin> but at age... 10? it was too much
36:00 <GreekSnake> those graphics look pretty slutty
36:00 <GreekSnake> games are finally catching up to my standards
36:00 <Tigger_> you can that quality on a PC
37:00 <GreekSnake> yes, but the games I've seen don't have graphics anywhere near as good
38:00 <Tigger_> oh no, he's back
38:00 <GreekSnake> lol
38:00 <GreekSnake> crazy Koleans
38:00 <GreekSnake> Tigger_, why are people so offended by my refusal to believe?
38:00 <GreekSnake> you seem to accept it
39:00 <GreekSnake> why can't people be calm and rational about it like you are?
39:00 <Tigger_> because my theological views are so obscure that everyone else is in the same boat as far as I'm concerned
39:00 <GreekSnake> your views are fairly standard within the Calvinist tradition, aren't they?
39:00 <Tigger_> yes
39:00 <GreekSnake> so not that obscure
39:00 <GreekSnake> entire nations follow them
40:00 <GreekSnake> the Scots, the Huguenots
40:00 <Tigger_> in theory, but you just don't get any sense of it on the street
40:00 <GreekSnake> I suppos
40:00 <GreekSnake> e
40:00 <GreekSnake> I wonder how much Trump knows about Calvinist theology
40:00 <GreekSnake> he was mocked for his inability to quote scripture correctly
41:00 <GreekSnake> wow, these gooks are really hard to listen to
41:00 <Tigger_> especially after the other fellows
41:00 <GreekSnake> LOL, he just said "right here in Spain" in the middle of secessionist Catalonia
41:00 <GreekSnake> that's hilarious
41:00 <Tigger_> heh
41:00 <GreekSnake> they barely applauded
41:00 <GreekSnake> they probably wanted to boo him
41:00 <Tigger_> very naive
42:00 <GreekSnake> they sound very similar to the Japanese
42:00 <Tigger_> there is a Calvinist culture though, in which Trump seems to be quite entrenched
42:00 <GreekSnake> unfettered capitalism?
42:00 <Tigger_> capitalism is one
42:00 <GreekSnake> what does Calvinism say about his penchant for buxom blondes?
43:00 <Tigger_> another is an extreme skepticism towards fuzzy utopian notions
43:00 <Tigger_> as Calvinists view humans as inherently sinful, so no grand schemes of goodness are possible
44:00 <Tigger_> which is a pretty good antidote to leftism
44:00 <GreekSnake> do they wish to punish sin though?
45:00 <Tigger_> hmmmm, not that I'm aware of, since the need to punish is a sort of belief in perfectibility
46:00 <Tigger_> ostracism rather than punish seems to be the policy
46:00 <GreekSnake> ah
46:00 <GreekSnake> hence the wall with Mexico
46:00 <Tigger_> yes
46:00 <Tigger_> banning muslims
47:00 <GreekSnake> very sound approach
48:00 <Tigger_> the Methodist/Catholic belief in perfectibility leads to all sorts of excuse making when muds act up
49:00 <Tigger_> "It's your fault for discriminating against them!"
49:00 <GreekSnake> so Calvinism is more accepting of human nature
49:00 <GreekSnake> I like that
50:00 <Tigger_> it's quite compatible with genetics
51:00 <Tigger_> such as Social Darwinism began in Calvinist circles
51:00 <GreekSnake> lol, mark is quite queeny
52:00 <Tigger_> personal worth of $10 billion, and he doesn't marry and Ivana
52:00 <Tigger_> *an Ivana
52:00 <GreekSnake> lol, I know
53:00 <GreekSnake> what a beta
53:00 <GreekSnake> Facebook is going 3D?
54:00 <Tigger_> it has already been done, in Second Life
55:00 <Tigger_> he must be having a feud with Apple to be so on board with Samsung
55:00 <GreekSnake> is that true, about OLED screens updating quicker than the human eye?
56:00 <Tigger_> I don't know, I'm not sure what the effective frame rate of the human eye is
56:00 <GreekSnake> Jei Lin lol
56:00 <GreekSnake> "Jei Lin and I..."
56:00 <Tigger_> heh
56:00 <Tigger_> dog vision has a very low effective frame rate, which is why TVs are seen as just a strobing flicker by them
57:00 <Tigger_> cats see TVs like humans though
58:00 <Tigger_> hmmm, Netflix probably does this sort of selective compression too
59:00 <GreekSnake> this all sounds rather gimmicky
00:00 <GreekSnake> he's really getting his gook on
00:00 <Tigger_> yes, his English gets worse by the hour
01:00 <Tigger_> LOL
01:00 <Tigger_> he's getting worse and worse
01:00 <GreekSnake> heh
01:00 <GreekSnake> he's probably drunk
01:00 <GreekSnake> considering that article warren posted the other day
01:00 <GreekSnake> about South Koreans being the world's biggest consumers of alcohol
02:00 <Tigger_> ah yes
02:00 <GreekSnake> but they're happy drunks
02:00 <GreekSnake> not violent
02:00 <Tigger_> alcoholism is the curse of the northern climates
06:00 <Tigger_> but nothing much they mentioned was really a deal making proposition for this new phone
06:00 <Tigger_> I like that it's water proof
07:00 <Tigger_> VR = wake me up when it happens
07:00 <Tigger_> the camera = nice, but as always, a $200 dedicated camera will do better
08:00 <Tigger_> the graphics capabilities are good, but with games they aim for lowest common denominator in hardware
09:00 <GreekSnake> yes, I was decidedly unimpressed
09:00 <Tigger_> incidentally, did you know prom is back?
10:00 <GreekSnake> yes, so you said
10:00 <GreekSnake> but where is he?
14:00 <Tigger_> comes on random nights
15:00 <Tigger_> talks to me, but not to marttin or bretty
15:00 <GreekSnake> in private, you mean?'
16:00 <Tigger_> yes, and in the channel
16:00 <Marttin> hes a 'new' person
16:00 <Tigger_> what do you mean, Marttin?
16:00 <Marttin> gs hasnt seen him
17:00 <Marttin> he wont talk about anything negative and so..
17:00 <Marttin> kind of a lefty like mrwuf
24:00 <DoC> Wondered how long this would take ... http://www.breitbart.com/video/2016/02/21/trump-not-sure-if-rubio-is-eligible-to-run-for-president/
25:00 <Tigger_> the robot Rubio was best
26:00 <DoC> Tigger_, He writes about Wall Street and gained some fame when he referred to Goldman as a vampire squid.
28:00 <DoC> Tigger_, that was one of the better.
28:00 <GreekSnake> "Rubio was born in Miami, Florida on May 28, 1971, the second son and third child of Mario Rubio and Oria Garcia. His parents were Cubans who had immigrated to the United States in 1956 and were naturalized as U.S. citizens in 1975!"
28:00 <GreekSnake> ^Anchor baby.
28:00 <DoC> The fraud of Rubio .. http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/02/20/full-panic-mode-rubio-caught-lying-about-ice-agent-breitbart-news-on-fox/
28:00 <Tigger_> it must be from an upcoming episode, the synopsises of the currently aired episodes don't seem to mention it
29:00 <Tigger_> I want Rubio to fail, but I don't hate him, since he likes DJ Tiesto
31:00 <GreekSnake> lol, does he?
31:00 <GreekSnake> such a Miami thing
31:00 <Tigger_> yes
31:00 <DoC> I was watching a documentary -- the Burns one -- on New York City.  One of the papers there became very famous.  It was no the Times.  Perhaps one called the Chronicle?  Anyway, the point is that that was the first newspaper that was not published by a political party.
31:00 <GreekSnake> the rest of America doesn't get EDM
31:00 <GreekSnake> Why, by the way, was Trump alone honored by a proposal in the British Parliament that he be banned from the country? Something about Trump drives Europeans crazy.
32:00 <Tigger_> because they are clinging to non-reality so hard that their fingernails are tearing off
33:00 <DoC> Until then, all the newspapers were political ads, basically.   So what we see now isn't exactly new.
33:00 <DoC> Tigger_, Rubio is more visually pleasing than Cruz
33:00 <Tigger_> that's true, often newspapers would put "Democrat" or "Republican" in their name
34:00 <Tigger_> it was only with broadcast that there was an onus on non-bias, since the spectrum is publicly owned
40:00 <GreekSnake> Rubio is more boyish, Cruz more bearish
40:00 <GreekSnake> but Trump is the biggest alpha of them all
40:00 <Tigger_> they're the same age I think
43:00 <Tigger_> 44 and 45
44:00 <Tigger_> though after George W and Obama, I get the sense that the US is a bit tired of boy emperors now
50:00 <GreekSnake> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CbxByfFWIAEQRLZ.jpg:large
51:00 <GreekSnake> https://twitter.com/Nero/status/701507857213095936
51:00 <GreekSnake> LOL
51:00 <GreekSnake> she's incorrigible
51:00 <Tigger_> lol
54:00 <Tigger_> SWAG by Milo ‏@swagbymilo  2h2 hours ago
54:00 <Tigger_> .@UberUKsupport So this obese woman showed up as my Uber. I cancelled the trip, then she proceeded to yell at me for mansplaining. Any help?
54:00 <DoC> Former GOP presidential candidate Pat Buchanan, who challenged President George H. W. Bush in the 1992 primaries, said Saturday before the votes came in that a South Carolina rejection of Bush would signal the "end of the Bush dynasty and the end of Bush Republicanism."
54:00 <DoC> "If you add a part of the Cruz vote to the Trump vote, this is a repudiation of everything the Beltway Republican Party has stood for," Buchanan told CNN's Michael Smerconish.
55:00 <Tigger_> SWAG by Milo ‏@swagbymilo  Feb 19
55:00 <Tigger_> Hillary Clinton is charging $45 for a t-shirt. How niggardly of her.
56:00 <Tigger_> SWAG by Milo ‏@swagbymilo  Feb 18
56:00 <Tigger_> Milo's wallet is fatter than feminists
56:00 <DoC> Lolll
58:00 <DoC> Tigger_, It cracks me up that Milo is taking on the SJWs.  They can't touch him without him using their own tactics against them.
58:00 <Tigger_> http://store.yiannopoulos.net/
58:00 <Tigger_> one thing you can be sure of, they'll never have a comeback to him
00:00 <DoC> Tigger_, Nobody will ;)
01:00 <DoC> SPARTANBURG, S.C. | Republicans’ turnout streak continued, with GOP voters shattering their South Carolina primary record Saturday night. With almost all precincts reporting, more than 737,000 votes had been counted. That was more than 20 percent higher than 2012, when about 603,000 voted. <--- DEMs participation in Nv was DOWN 33% from 2012....
02:00 <Tigger_> Trump bringing new supporters to the party
03:00 <Tigger_> and even if I was an American Democrat, I'd probably be disinclined to partake because of the superdelegate rigging
08:00 <DoC> that is the cross over i have been talking about. The same dismal turnout for the DNC in Nevada
09:00 <DoC> the RNC (Trump) has been breaking all records.
09:00 <DoC> the Trump route will continue
09:00 <DoC> Rand Paul will win Maine - ROFL 
12:00 <Tigger_> he lasted about as long as I expected, it was Jeb who I thought would last a lot longer
13:00 <GreekSnake> the Bushes were destroyed by the Dubya's legacy
13:00 <GreekSnake> they're simply irrelevant now
15:00 <Tigger_> they don't have anyone else waiting in the wings for the next generation either
15:00 <Tigger_> none of the kids have any potential
15:00 <GreekSnake> https://www.instagram.com/p/BBIAx3BmOni/?taken-by=milo.yiannopoulos
15:00 <GreekSnake> at least he eats meat
15:00 <GreekSnake> like a real man
16:00 <Tigger_> his paleo diet
16:00 <GreekSnake> heh
19:00 <GreekSnake> https://www.facebook.com/myiannopoulos/photos/a.594779487326617.1073741828.423006854503882/645749632229602/?type=3&theater
19:00 <GreekSnake> he's been working out too
19:00 <GreekSnake> so butch
19:00 <GreekSnake> Colby Szakal Still wont work when crushed by a 6000 lb feminist
19:00 <GreekSnake> LOL
20:00 <Tigger_> it was always my great disappointment with gays that none I met in real life were anything like Oscar Wilde or Quentin Crisp, not even a Bernard King
20:00 <Tigger_> Milo gives hope
20:00 <Marttin> epic https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BgWFyHMk6ts
21:00 <BlackDevil> Youtube: Pablo iglesias es un chavez (Feb 21, 2016) Length: 2:14 - Category: People & Blogs - 4 views views - 0 likes (0%), 0 dislikes (0%)
21:00 <GreekSnake> most lesser queens are too busy chasing cock and/or Tina to be truly fabulous
22:00 <Tigger_> certainly encountered a lot of crybabies
22:00 <GreekSnake> she's so right, Marttin
23:00 <GreekSnake> éramos felices y no lo sabíamos...
23:00 <Tigger_> I thought I was a lot better at the rapid-fire snark with cultural allusions than they were
29:00 <GreekSnake> https://twitter.com/CHSommers/status/664172152992722944
31:00 <Tigger_> David Lawrence ‏@Endophage  30 Dec 2015
31:00 <Tigger_> @CHSommers such ignorance... Wage gap is about men/women in the same job with equal qualifications.
31:00 <Tigger_> his photo says it all: https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/3448893601/0f14875c37c659352d65538d1f81db44_400x400.jpeg
33:00 <GreekSnake> lol, even feminists admit that there is no wage gap in such circumstances
34:00 <GreekSnake> anyway, it's already breakfast time
35:00 <GreekSnake> good morning
35:00 <Tigger_> the wage gap isn't even referred to in economics, it's not taken seriously enough to even address, let alone factor in
35:00 <Tigger_> sure is, night then
35:00 <GreekSnake> scrambled eggs xD
35:00 <Tigger_> have Special K
35:00 <GreekSnake> Special K can be nice if you add a lot of sugar
36:00 <GreekSnake> quite refreshing with ice cold milk in the summer
39:00 <DoC> LIVE Stream: Donald Trump Rally in Atlanta, GA (2-21-16) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9DJrA8gBwM on now
39:00 <BlackDevil> Youtube: LIVE Stream: Donald Trump Rally in Atlanta, GA (2-21-16) (Date not found) Length: 0:00 - Category: News & Politics - /span views - 896 likes (97.4%), 24 dislikes (2.6%)
01:00 <Marttin> greeksnake
01:00 <Marttin> i came back to eating meat after 4 years a few weeks ago
02:00 <Marttin> how long did you stayed when you tried?
02:00 <Marttin> stay*
02:00 <Tigger_> you always ate fish though, so doesn't really count
04:00 <Marttin> it must count more or less
23:00 <Marttin> night
43:00 <Tigger_> night Marttin 
48:00 <GreekSnake> I lasted less than a year
49:00 <GreekSnake> night
49:00 <GreekSnake> lol@the enthusiastic pro-Trump negresses
52:00 <GreekSnake> http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/02/18/rutgers-students-hold-group-therapy-session-after-milo-yiannopoulos-visit/
52:00 <GreekSnake> lolllll
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03:00 <Tigger_> I just purchased 50 cans of Annalisa chickpeas, red kidney beans, and diced tomato, for $1 each
04:00 <Tigger_> 20 x $1 red kidney beans
04:00 <Tigger_> 20 x $1 diced tomatoes
04:00 <Tigger_> 10 x $1 chickpeas
04:00 <Tigger_> I already have a fair few cans of chickpeas in the pantry
28:00 <Abortion> $50
28:00 <Abortion> how long would that last you if all other food was cut off?
28:00 <Abortion> Also, what are their expiry dates
29:00 <Abortion> I'm wondering if cans would last longer than their used by dates would suggest
29:00 <Abortion> I decided to try this lentil soup in a can (organic everything lol), it wasn't bad, but damn expensive
30:00 <Abortion> would not buy again
30:00 <Abortion> but it does give me courage to try and replicate it
32:00 <Tigger_> the use-by dates are usually a few years down the track
33:00 <Tigger_> but 50 cans, if I knew I wasn't getting any other food, I suppose I could survive on one can every three days or so
34:00 <Tigger_> and I'd expect that you could stretch the use-by dates by quite a few years, maybe even decades
34:00 <Tigger_> it's really a best-before date
45:00 <eclipx> Slept thru the alarm
45:00 <eclipx> Why is gs stil here
50:00 <Tigger_> GreekSnake parties all night and every day.
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17:00 <Tigger_> I just got my saffron, 4 grams for $24, heroin is probably cheaper
18:00 <mrwuf> lol
03:00 <mrwuf> http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-02-22/senate-election-reforms-announced-including-preferential-voting/7188792
03:00 <mrwuf> au devoir australian motoring enthusiast party
04:00 <mrwuf> adios
05:00 <mrwuf> http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-02-22/foreign-companies-could-be-forced-to-sell-australian-assets/7188314
06:00 <Abortion> well that would be interesting
10:00 <mrwuf> well it appears to only target new business... almost further cementing the already established multinational companies position
10:00 <mrwuf> seems as if its a much weaker response to labours initiative 
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