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10:09:55 <happy-lil-camper> well that's bloody unexpected
10:11:29 <happy-lil-camper> my paperwhite is in perth !!!!
10:11:30 <happy-lil-camper> that's bloody fast from HK
10:11:30 <happy-lil-camper> it should arrive at work
10:11:30 <happy-lil-camper> im gonna orgasm
10:11:30 <happy-lil-camper> later
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14:02:00 <happy-lil-camper> got the kindle!!!!!
14:02:00 <happy-lil-camper> touchscreen too!
14:04:00 <anotherirc3r> i get my car back at the latest Wednesday!!!!!
14:05:00 <Warren1984> nice Jen
14:05:00 <anotherirc3r> can't wait!!!!!
14:06:00 <anotherirc3r> painting is done.. they're putting her back together now
14:06:00 <anotherirc3r> fuel tank should be done by Monday
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14:12:00 <happy-lil-camper> r u drivin 2 perth jen
14:21:00 <anotherirc3r> i have no idea how much that would cost
14:27:00 <Warren1984> It would cost too much to drive to Perth
14:31:00 <anotherirc3r> should i go get a coffee Warren?
14:31:00 <anotherirc3r> feeling indecisive
14:40:00 <Warren1984> yes Jen
14:40:00 <Warren1984> a whole heaped tablespoon of coffee
14:41:00 <anotherirc3r> alright.. why not
14:46:00 <Warren1984> in a large cup of milk
14:47:00 <anotherirc3r> nah. a mug will do
14:56:00 <Warren1984> yeah
14:56:00 <Warren1984> too much milk gives me a stomach ache
14:56:00 <Warren1984> stir it around all the time
15:13:00 <Abortion> I put my coffee in a shaker canister
15:13:00 <Abortion> with milk
15:13:00 <Abortion> and milo
15:13:00 <Abortion> milkshake ehehe
15:14:00 <anotherirc3r> oh, yummmm
15:14:00 <anotherirc3r> that sounds good
15:57:00 <Abortion> Damn, the coffee hasn't given me the kick I was hoping for
15:58:00 <anotherirc3r> double?
15:58:00 <anotherirc3r> add some whisky to it?
15:59:00 <Warren1984> nuh don't mix whisky
15:59:00 <Warren1984> If you want to be alert and focused have heaps of coffee or no-Doz
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19:44:00 <ajnin> anotherirc3r my fav drink is tokyo tea
19:44:00 <Tigger_> then it would have to be heavily taxed to cover the costs of it being legal
19:44:00 <anotherirc3r> what is tokyo tea?!
19:44:00 <ajnin> http://www.drinksmixer.com/drink8076.html
19:44:00 <progressive> [ Tokyo Tea recipe ] - www.drinksmixer.com
19:44:00 <ajnin> its FUCKING mad!!
19:44:00 <ajnin> that and then hennersy / redbull
19:44:00 <ajnin> i love that drink
19:44:00 <Tigger_> so the libertarian position is not less government, but always more government
19:44:00 <ajnin> i have that in summer nights
19:45:00 <anotherirc3r> need a picture of it now hehe
19:45:00 <ajnin> Tigger_ I am an fan of less government
19:45:00 <Tigger_> but if marijuana is legal then that will necessitate more government
19:45:00 <ajnin> https://encrypted.google.com/search?q=tokyo+tea&tbm=isch&imgil=eEtkYtw-WIWZkM%253A%253B05RtlCxmzOhfjM%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.yelp.com%25252Fbiz_photos%25252Fli-po-cocktail-lounge-san-francisco%25253Fselect%2525253DsLq86RQ8fqkTDNdhQ8CuHw&source=iu&pf=m&fir=eEtkYtw-WIWZkM%253A%252C05RtlCxmzOhfjM%252C_&biw=2560&bih=1332&usg=__fat_6KRz45JdyyNwB_WIKas7_lw%3D#imgrc=_&usg=__fat_6K
19:45:00 <ajnin> Rz45JdyyNwB_WIKas7_lw%3D
19:45:00 <progressive> [ tokyo+tea - Google Search ] - encrypted.google.com
19:46:00 <ajnin> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BKrq7Y4CMAA0rIK.jpg
19:46:00 <ajnin> Tigger_ i dont think so
19:46:00 <ajnin> its 1 less thing to goven
19:46:00 <ajnin> right now you have cops looking for it
19:46:00 <ajnin> customs looking for it
19:46:00 <ajnin> courts charging people for it
19:47:00 <anotherirc3r> looks nice ajnin!
19:47:00 <ajnin> all that shit..
19:47:00 <ajnin> decrim small amounts
19:47:00 <ajnin> and all that stops
19:47:00 <ajnin> anotherirc3r yea.. both are mad
19:47:00 <ajnin> I dont like getting drink too much
19:47:00 <ajnin> cause I talk to much
19:47:00 <ajnin> and I dont liek talking that much
19:47:00 <ajnin> I wish I was one of people that goes quite when they drink
19:48:00 <Tigger_> but it is impossible for any object to be legal without it being subsidised in manifold ways, such as if you own a book, a shoe, a hat, these are all subsidised by virtue of the state protecting your rights to own it, so if marijuana is legal, that to is similarly protected by the state
19:49:00 <Tigger_> so when one drug fiend steals another drug fiend's stash (which I'm reliably informed happens all the time), the victim drug fiend can call the police and initiate an investigation which costs all taxpayers
19:50:00 <ajnin> Tigger_ there would be less of that
19:50:00 <Tigger_> so there is no substance to the libertarian lie that legalising marijuana gets the government out of our lives
19:50:00 <ajnin> that cunts selling the shit
19:50:00 <ajnin> i dont like the idea of a government telling people what to do
19:51:00 <ajnin> thats a dangerious path to head down
19:51:00 <ajnin> anotherirc3r next time you go out.. order a toyko tea!!
19:51:00 <ajnin> or make one at home
19:52:00 <ajnin> but you need too many things LOL
19:52:00 <ajnin> i got them all just to make them
19:52:00 <Tigger_> also drug possession is one of the primary ways to maintain the crime rate at a relatively low rate, as drug possession is a proxy for other criminal activity, since most criminals are drug users, it's far cheaper and efficient to arrest and prosecute them for drug possession than the more difficult to prove crimes they also committed
19:53:00 <Tigger_> so in a society with legal drugs, to keep the crime rate at the same level, police would necessarily have to be far more invasive on the entire population in order to catch the same number of criminals
19:53:00 <Tigger_> so yet another libertarian lie demolished
19:55:00 <ajnin> crime is the neverlands is low
19:55:00 <ajnin> also crime not including drug crime has reducded in all citys in America where it was decrimed
19:56:00 <Tigger_> Holland's crime rate is very high, due to organised crime being able to conduct at least part of their business openly, which attracts criminals to Holland, which is why the country is notorious for human trafficking of enslaved women to be prostitutes
19:59:00 <Tigger_> typically organised crime has its fingers in many pies, so legalise one enterprise dominated by criminals, and you get a lot of other stuff going on as well
19:59:00 <ajnin> i guess we are reading different things :)
20:01:00 <Tigger_> the marijuana lobby is very vocal about their talking points, they repeat them loudly and often, but this doesn't mean they intersect with the facts in any way
20:01:00 <ajnin> http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Australia/Netherlands/Crime
20:01:00 <progressive> [ Australian vs Netherlands Crime Stats Compared ] - www.nationmaster.com
20:01:00 <ajnin> have a look at that
20:01:00 <ajnin> we have 250% more police
20:01:00 <ajnin> and we still got more crime
20:02:00 <ajnin> Tigger_ I mostly go by my life experence
20:02:00 <Tigger_> Australia was founded by convicts though, crime is in the Australian DNA
20:02:00 <ajnin> I went to a private catholic high schhol
20:02:00 <ajnin> I am a uni grad
20:02:00 <ajnin> and everyone I know apart from 2 or 3 people have smoked dope
20:02:00 <ajnin> at least once in their life
20:02:00 <ajnin> I am in my Mid 30's
20:03:00 <ajnin> so thats why I have this opinon
20:03:00 <ajnin> I just dont see it as a crime you should be punished for
20:03:00 <Tigger_> there are many more intangible problems with legal drugs, such as the nature of politics on the left has changed, up till the 1960s or so, leftists generally advocated sane policies, which though you could disagree with and say they couldn't work for one reason or another, they were at least basically sane
20:05:00 <Tigger_> since then the subsequent generations of leftists have all been blasting their brains with illegal drugs since their teens, so modern leftist policies are completely and utterly insane, pedal to the metal insane, where they rant about completely imaginary crises of all forms
20:05:00 <ajnin> i think extream left or right is both fucked
20:05:00 <Tigger_> there is a theory that Rome declined due to using lead piping in the water system, causing a degeneration of mental acuity
20:06:00 <ajnin> every emipre declines
20:07:00 <ajnin> we are watching the american one decline now
20:07:00 <Tigger_> while this can't be answered definitively one way or the other, our civilisation is in steep decline, and I suspect in large part due to a parallel symptom that afflicted the Romans, brains that do not work as well as prior generations
20:07:00 <ajnin> ok.. I got to go
20:07:00 <ajnin> football!!!
20:07:00 <Tigger_> have fun
20:07:00 <ajnin> always :)
20:53:00 <wolframhart> Hi all
20:58:00 <wolframhart> Have they abandoned colour eink
20:58:00 <wolframhart> It would be nicr
21:08:00 <Tigger_> I think it's just stymied
21:09:00 <Tigger_> there have been colour eInk devices for a few years, but they're pretty awful, the colour is very pale
21:12:00 <Osskkaarr> Fuck Hawthorn mate!
21:14:00 <Tigger_> http://ebook-reader-review.toptenreviews.com/ectaco-jetbook-color-review.html
21:14:00 <progressive> [ Ectaco jetBook Color 2 Review 2015 | Best eReader Reviews ] - ebook-reader-review.toptenreviews.com
21:14:00 <Osskkaarr> Freo will come back yeah!! oWnz Hawthorn!
21:15:00 <Warren1984> poached eggs on bread for dinner
21:15:00 <Osskkaarr> Toast
21:16:00 <anotherirc3r> yum
21:16:00 <anotherirc3r> i love poached eggs
21:16:00 <anotherirc3r> did you poach them yourself?
21:22:00 <Warren1984> http://www.news.com.au/technology/innovation/the-who-what-and-why-of-volkswagens-diesel-scandal/story-fnjwucvh-1227542137162
21:22:00 <progressive> [ VW scandal: How four university students destroyed a company ] - www.news.com.au
21:23:00 <Warren1984> so much for the superior diesel engine
21:30:00 <Tigger_> I understand diesel engines used to be superior, but they've been overtaken
21:31:00 <Tigger_> like the way MS Office used to be good, but LibreOffice is superior now
21:32:00 <ajnin> first 1/2 is good
21:32:00 <ajnin> anotherirc3r if you like poached eggs get some chickens
21:32:00 <ajnin> they are hte fun to keep
21:32:00 <ajnin> and easy
21:33:00 <ajnin> less work than cats
21:33:00 <ajnin> https://poultrykeeper.com/chicken-breeds/pekin-bantams/
21:33:00 <ajnin> thats teh chickens I have
21:34:00 <ajnin> eggs every day in spring and summer
21:34:00 <anotherirc3r> i'd probably treat them like cats and want to pat them all the time
21:35:00 <ajnin> lol
21:35:00 <ajnin> mine hope on my lap
21:35:00 <Tigger_> do chickens like being patted?
21:35:00 <ajnin> when I sit outside
21:35:00 <ajnin> Tigger_ you can train them
21:35:00 <ajnin> the more time you spend with them the more they get used to it
21:36:00 <ajnin> they also like to follow you around teh garden
21:36:00 <anotherirc3r> awwww cute
21:36:00 <ajnin> like your the big mother hen
21:36:00 <ajnin> lol
21:36:00 <anotherirc3r> i want to see that!
21:37:00 <ajnin> i might have viedo
21:37:00 <ajnin> ill check and youtube it if I do
21:37:00 <ajnin> the thing they love the most apart from meal worms
21:37:00 <ajnin> is when you cut the grass
21:37:00 <ajnin> the mower scares them
21:37:00 <ajnin> but after that
21:37:00 <anotherirc3r> lol
21:37:00 <ajnin> cause all the bugs are out
21:37:00 <ajnin> they go crazy
21:37:00 <ajnin> like an all you can eat buffy
21:38:00 <anotherirc3r> i bet!
21:38:00 <ajnin> that poor lady died I think
21:38:00 <ajnin> the one who got run over by monkey bikes
21:38:00 <ajnin> some 18yr old handed himself in
21:40:00 <Tigger_> what happened to her?
21:43:00 <Warren1984> [19:16] <anotherirc3r> yum
21:43:00 <Warren1984> [19:16] <anotherirc3r> i love poached eggs
21:43:00 <Warren1984> [19:16] <anotherirc3r> did you poach them yourself? <- yep
21:43:00 <Warren1984> I can poach 4 at a time
21:43:00 <anotherirc3r> daaaaamn. how?!
21:43:00 <ajnin> http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/teenagers-arrested-after-mother-andrea-lehane-hit-by-monkey-bikes-at-carrum-downs-20150925-gjv4yc.html
21:43:00 <progressive> [ Teenagers arrested after mother Andrea Lehane hit by monkey bikes at Carrum Downs ] - www.theage.com.au
21:43:00 <Warren1984> my Mum has a egg poacher
21:43:00 <Warren1984> I will try and find a pic on the internet
21:43:00 <anotherirc3r> yes please!
21:44:00 <Osskkaarr> https://doxz7msmg7sxx.cloudfront.net/media/catalog/product/cache/21/image/992x558/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/8/_/8_182.jpg
21:44:00 <Warren1984> Jen -> http://www.harveynorman.com.au/kitchen-appliances/small-kitchen-appliances/cooking-appliances/wiltshire-4-cup-egg-poacher.html
21:44:00 <progressive> [ Wiltshire 4-Cup Egg Poacher - Cooking Appliances - Small Kitchen Appliances - Kitchen Appliances | Harvey Norman Australia ] - www.harveynorman.com.au
21:45:00 <Warren1984> my Mum has the exact same one from Harvey Norman
21:45:00 <Osskkaarr> I have that and I don't use it.
21:46:00 <Warren1984> diesel engines are horrible
21:46:00 <Warren1984> filthy things
21:46:00 <Osskkaarr> Freo is coming back !!
21:46:00 <Warren1984> sound like trackers
21:47:00 <Tigger_> Warren1984, does she ever use her Borner V-slicer?
21:48:00 <xm> Osskkaarr, what happens if freo wins this game?
21:48:00 <xm> is this straight to the grand finals?
21:48:00 <Osskkaarr> yeah
21:48:00 <Tigger_> today I got my Breville slow cooker, I'm just skimming through the instruction manual now: http://www.breville.com.au/the-multi-chef-tm-brc600.html
21:48:00 <xm> oh they're losing
21:48:00 <progressive> [ the Multi Chef ™ | Breville ] - www.breville.com.au
21:49:00 <xm> pretty low scores for a 3rd quarter
21:49:00 <Osskkaarr> and play against whoever wins tomorrow
21:50:00 <Warren1984> [19:47] <@Tigger_> Warren1984, does she ever use her Borner V-slicer? <- no
21:51:00 <Tigger_> ask her why not
21:51:00 <xm> who do you think will win Osskkaarr ?
21:51:00 <xm> ok i wont watch this
21:51:00 <xm> freo will probably lose
21:52:00 <Warren1984> we should all get compensated for the diesel emissions
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