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00:46 <blastsnoop104892acb> I've a PFC question. Is MPPT always when reactive power / phase angle is zero?
02:30 <blastsnoop104892acb> Consider you have Inductive AC -> Bridge -> PFC Buck/Boost -> Buck -> Battery
03:41 <blastsnoop104892acb> The Buck sets a load but it itself is inductive so doesn't it become pointless?
04:46 <blastsnoop104892acb> So you end up with the PFC setting the load which is based only on the phase angle being zero.
09:36 <arch> hmm...these words... i know some of them
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10:27 <blastsnoop104892acb> Ah the man himself has arrived :)
11:06 <blastsnoop104892acb> <blastsnoop104892acb> I've a PFC question. Is MPPT always when reactive power / phase angle is zero?
11:07 <blastsnoop104892acb> <blastsnoop104892acb> Consider you have Inductive AC -> Bridge -> PFC Buck/Boost -> Buck -> Battery
11:07 <blastsnoop104892acb> <blastsnoop104892acb> The Buck sets a load but it itself is inductive so doesn't it become pointless?
11:07 <blastsnoop104892acb> <blastsnoop104892acb> So you end up with the PFC setting the load which is based only on the phase angle being zero.
14:15 <Kuschelpony> hello back
14:32 <Kuschelpony> and dont consider me as man, im electronican :)
14:53 <Ysjoelfir> See? Told you that the Schmusepferdchen will be back later :D
15:04 * Ysjoelfir kuschels pony
15:23 <blastsnoop104892acb> in practical terms buck/boost controllers don't exist much, they're all boost. If the PFC boost maintains the angle based on the load then the buck wouldn't need to do anything but set a suitable fixed duty which for CCM could easily be calculated
16:00 <Kuschelpony> yes, "PFC" itself usually means that the input current is in phase and linear proportional to the voltage, so the load appears as pure resistance
16:39 <blastsnoop104892acb> Hello and welcome back. I'm toying with something else over your yesterday idea which I don't understand as of yet
17:18 <Kuschelpony> but a PFC could also be made to "watch" an external impedance in a way that the sum of the PFC itself and the expernal impadeance has zero distortion
17:25 <Kuschelpony> yes just ask
17:47 <blastsnoop104892acb> Yeah, but if there's not enough load then the PFC can't work right? So the buck doesn't need to vary its duty to seek mppt, that is done by the PFC boost as it seeks phaseless transfer
20:36 <blastsnoop104892acb> With passive PFC (capacitors before rectification) the mppt is by varying the buck duty, same as with solar panels (preturn and observe)
20:41 <Kuschelpony> in that simple way yes, but think like the PFC is not simply a boost but bidirectional, means it can not only pump up the (lower voltage) AC input into the DC capacitors but also buck the DC capacitor voltage and modulate it to make lower voltageAC
22:23 <blastsnoop104892acb> but not if its after the diodes? This was a previous confusion point because PFC is displacement and distortion, two different things.
23:07 <blastsnoop104892acb> But from what the web things, displacement (phase angle) is possible to counteract post rectification
23:15 <blastsnoop104892acb> thinks
23:25 <Kuschelpony> hmmm, think about a generalized PFC with full controlled H-bridge, not the simplified version with passive diode bridge
24:38 <Kuschelpony> passive diode rectification does not create phase shift at all, and not distortion on its own, the distortion happens from connecting the diode bridge to a bulk capacitor that gets recharged only in spikes
26:09 <blastsnoop104892acb> yep, that's distortion based PFC
26:47 <blastsnoop104892acb> but does having a PFC after the bridge still correct for displacement? According to UCC28180D it does
26:48 <blastsnoop104892acb> https://www.ti.com/lit/gpn/UCC28180
27:45 <blastsnoop104892acb> well, maybe not
28:23 <blastsnoop104892acb> PFC is two different things and that's not well understood
32:18 <Kuschelpony> a bridge rectifier does not create displacement power factor and behind it its not possible to compensate for displacement power factor of other branches
32:55 <Kuschelpony> this needs a full bridge stage that is able to feed back current
33:48 <blastsnoop104892acb> "No AC Line Sensing Needed: Unlike older controllers, it relies on an innovative average current-mode control scheme. By sensing only the output voltage and the inductor current, it infers the input voltage waveform"
35:23 <Kuschelpony> yes i am currently reading this, clever but not very much of an innovation, just making a high-voltage resistor unnecesary
36:31 <blastsnoop104892acb> but... is it doing the job of correcting displacement?
36:56 <Kuschelpony> no
37:44 <Kuschelpony> its assumed that a device using this chip hasnothing that creates significant displacement
38:17 <blastsnoop104892acb> That's what I think as well, because after rectification there is no phase so there's nothing to correct
38:57 <blastsnoop104892acb> Probably because they're all made for AC, which is already displaced corrected by capacitor banks
39:14 <Kuschelpony> yes
39:36 <blastsnoop104892acb> Good, it took me a long time to understand that. I'm glad it's correct
40:23 <blastsnoop104892acb> If only the web was more particular in calling it PFC for Distortion...
41:57 <blastsnoop104892acb> So back to your idea from yesterday then. I best get some coffee...
42:10 <Kuschelpony> first of all, the situation whats called"power factor" is really messy and might need more than one or two decades until people use the proper definitions (if ever)
43:34 <Kuschelpony> and second, its simply assumed that PFC componebnts for power supplies correct for distortion power factor because thats what bridge rectifier&capacitor inputs do
43:38 <blastsnoop104892acb> I didn't understand this for years. The shit on the web makes you question your understanding though. I almost regressed. :)
44:36 <Kuschelpony> as well as its simply assumed that machinery like induction motors creates displacement power factor that is corrected by linear ac capacitors
45:18 <Kuschelpony> mmmh i did work this out from first principles, grew up mostly before the web happened
45:51 <Kuschelpony> the era when you had a schematic and started to understand it piece by piece
45:57 <blastsnoop104892acb> yeah I've read about this where if you take so much power you're then charged by displacement factor so it becomes worth correcting machinery with caps.
46:25 <blastsnoop104892acb> I've spent two hours trying to use Google's AI for the first time to see how shit it is. And it is that.
47:02 <Kuschelpony> i left google already more than ten years before but for other reasons
47:13 <Kuschelpony> seems they get just worse
48:17 <Ysjoelfir> They did. A lot. I actually started to stock up on books in recent years, for that exact reason. AI doesn't help to make it any better imho
49:42 <blastsnoop104892acb> the slop is real.
50:04 <Kuschelpony> i nnever gave up my books
50:42 <blastsnoop104892acb> I never had any, or a formal education in EE. A regret.
51:20 <blastsnoop104892acb> But I'm persistent and that can take you very far. Sometimes though you just need to connect with experts. Finding them is the hard part.
52:55 <Kuschelpony> im not an expert, just the fusion of an practical tinkerer with good 40 years active experience, and an autist who "wicks up" information to add it to an mental network connecting functional principles
53:24 <blastsnoop104892acb> When you have time Mr. Schmusepferdchen, please make me understand your idea. I can find nothing like it on the web.
53:46 <Kuschelpony> (thats also why i never watch videos, my input method is more like holographic imaging a whole page but not sequential listening and reading)
54:02 <Kuschelpony> i see if i find energy today, have still some hours
55:40 <blastsnoop104892acb> :)
57:21 <Kuschelpony> (background information, im long distance commuting to work so ithis is already a 12h day)
58:43 <blastsnoop104892acb> it can be another time, no stress
58:49 <Kuschelpony> quite often i wish i could invite you all to meet for a local conversation in a hackerspace or the like, where i can easily draw on some paper
04:08 <Ysjoelfir> I'd join. buyt I think I'm one of the nearest ones around here anyways
04:40 <MrMobodies> Bloddy STUPID that this should happen.
04:41 <MrMobodies> https://i.postimg.cc/zJsgHZnn/Firmware-Damage-Stupidty.jpg
04:49 <MrMobodies> Never happened to me before on their older stuff
04:58 <MrMobodies> It did even CHECK
06:00 <MrMobodies> I though the procedure was to, do a checksum on the file, upload the file, check it matches, then initiate the rewriting of the firmware.
06:32 <MrMobodies> but this one, oh no, just start writing as soon as I select file and click button
07:12 <blastsnoop104892acb> might not have the room for an A/B slot and it stopped during transfer
07:18 <MrMobodies> good it has a warning message
07:54 <MrMobodies> oh yes, the network connection kept on resetting and that's when that happened
07:54 <blastsnoop104892acb> usually the bootloader does a checksum on boot and puts you back into firmware upload mode if its failed
08:07 <MrMobodies> the Draytek firmware uploaded worked though fortunately
08:15 <blastsnoop104892acb> rather than just dieing
08:17 <MrMobodies> I mean the uploader tool
08:26 <MrMobodies> oh
09:07 <MrMobodies> aaah so if it failed, it would have protected the existing bootloader
09:19 <MrMobodies> before it got on and a means of recovery
16:26 <blastsnoop104892acb> should have done
16:37 <blastsnoop104892acb> but the message says otherwise
17:03 <blastsnoop104892acb> bootloaders are smaller and always A/B, no never touched
17:11 <blastsnoop104892acb> no = or
17:29 <blastsnoop104892acb> @kuschelpony
17:30 <blastsnoop104892acb> Yes, AC phase can be corrected or shifted without capacitors. Because capacitors are primarily used for Power Factor Correction (PFC) or as a motor-starting assist, their alternatives depend on your exact application:
17:31 <blastsnoop104892acb> 1. If correcting for an inductive load (Power Factor Correction)
17:31 <blastsnoop104892acb> To offset lagging reactive power caused by inductive loads like transformers or motors, you can use:
17:31 <blastsnoop104892acb> Synchronous Condensers: Over-excited synchronous motors that act like variable capacitors, feeding reactive power back into the system.
17:31 <blastsnoop104892acb> Static VAR Compensators (SVCs) / Active PFCs: Power electronic circuits (such as thyristor-controlled reactors) that inject leading or lagging reactive current dynamically to correct the power factor.
17:34 <blastsnoop104892acb> Active Harmonic Filters: Electronic systems that mitigate phase discrepancies and harmonics in the supply.
17:56 <Kuschelpony> ye
18:12 <Kuschelpony> and the third one is what i am always talking about
20:05 <Kuschelpony> A circuit (basically a class D amplifier) that injects a current that is controlled to contain exactly the negative of the displacement current and harminics that some other device emits
20:44 <Kuschelpony> and because it has zero real current component, the circuit takes or delivers zero realpower to the mains
22:08 <blastsnoop104892acb> The 'Active Harmonic Filters' or 'thyristor-controlled reactor'?
23:04 <blastsnoop104892acb> And now I'm wondering if they inject a current it has to come from somewhere, so they have to still store some at some other point from the supply.
23:15 <Kuschelpony> the "Active Harmonic Filter"
23:43 <Kuschelpony> in some way, you might see displacement power factor as a weird kind of harmonics
24:02 <Kuschelpony> yes sure, they do have a big DC bus capacitor (or a battery bank)
24:32 <Kuschelpony> it is just part of the function that no real power flows, all the charging and discharging spikes balance out
25:00 <Kuschelpony> (ecept when you intentionally command it to draw or deiver real power)
26:38 <blastsnoop104892acb> https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/An-Active-Harmonic-Filter-Based-on-One-Cycle-Sreeraj-PrejithE./f8cee4fb10a506d65e6422b52d6d614b0abfa65f/figure/0
29:16 <blastsnoop104892acb> If only google would provide a lovely ltspice for "AHF"...
34:18 <blastsnoop104892acb> I'm fascinated to see what you have in mind
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24:24 <K> yay, the hioki arrived
24:31 <K> and not a pair for bricks
24:45 <Ysjoelfir> yeeeehaw!
24:53 * Ysjoelfir bounces at K
24:58 <Ysjoelfir> u happy?
25:07 <K> yeah
25:27 <K> i lucked out big time
25:33 <Ysjoelfir> see? told you, you can trust us dschermans
27:01 <K> seller was hungarian tbf
27:13 <K> (i kid)
28:12 <K> this was abut twice i wanted to spend on a lcr meter
34:07 <arch> K, at least he wasn't albanian: https://i.imgflip.com/3hxgzi.jpg
37:09 <K> nah, seller gets all the points from me
37:45 <K> in some regards i am the same as an albanaian, fwiw
40:26 <K> https://imgur.com/a/4B7THmR
40:43 <arch> my highschool used to have a heck of a lot of albanians. all of them were flunkies
41:19 <arch> albanians, many bosnians too
43:44 <arch> K, that looks like an expensive kit. i have a handheld Agilent LCR meter, which i paid $480 back in 2019
45:07 <K> it is
45:20 <K> this set new goes for 8k
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45:49 <K> i spent 2500
46:02 <arch> look at mr moneybags right here
46:16 <K> i had some birthady money left over
46:27 <K> but this is excessive
46:48 <K> and I have no immediate use for it at its max settings
49:12 <arch> $2500 is "some money left over"... :|
49:39 * arch goes back to scalping off ceramic capacitors off salvaged scrap boards
50:22 <K> no, not whole 2500, about 1k
52:01 <K> arch is a noble creature and reuses stuff, i commend that.
54:01 <arch> \o/
54:02 <EEVBot> I
54:02 <EEVBot> > /
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34:43 <Ysjoelfir> Sooo.... Are you up for one or four new PSUs now, K? :D
34:52 <Ysjoelfir> just the tiny ones I mentioned recently
38:44 <K> uh oh
49:05 <arch> you made small PSUs or bought some?
08:54 <K> eeh, those are no tiny in any sense
09:26 <arch> that's what he said
09:49 <arch> also
09:51 <arch> !twss
09:51 <EEVBot> That's what she said!
10:11 <K> *bonk*
10:30 <Ysjoelfir> Naaah. come on. Its just 2 hight units each. 19 inch wide. and.... no idea how deep but naaah, they are tiny
16:44 <K> im not into weldiing yet
26:43 <K> the fan is quite loud
26:53 <Ysjoelfir> i swapped them with noctuas
27:44 <K> eh, im kinda reluctant to open this one up, seal is unbroken
28:06 <K> but any guarantee/service has long expired
58:57 <Ysjoelfir> still feels wrong in a way, doesnt it?
06:52 <K> yeah
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23:00 <rc_garage> what kind of seal?
23:46 <rc_garage> and, dont worry, welding will find you, if you are worthy
45:48 <K> seal of approval.
48:03 <rc_garage> makes me think of this, again
48:06 <rc_garage> https://tinyurl.com/mrx3vh3p
48:57 <K> yes.
49:47 <rc_garage> well, have a better than average night.
50:07 <K> https://youtu.be/0Q9IRpFGgPY?t=93
50:07 <EEVBot> Temporary error talking to YouTube: [SYS] unknown error (_ssl.c:2638)
50:23 <rc_garage> yep
50:37 <rc_garage> and you see how that ended up
50:51 <K> oh well.
53:51 * arch tosses a pickle at K 
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12:38 <MrMobodies> Absolutly PISSED
13:09 <MrMobodies> This is the THIRD time the linux installer automatically SELECTED the USB drive to install the OS
13:48 <MrMobodies> lots of questions on very large dialogues
13:53 <MrMobodies> that don't show me very much
14:05 <MrMobodies> and they hide things behind other things like the user is somewhat stupid
14:53 <MrMobodies> wasted 2 hours on that
42:50 <MrMobodies> It was JUST about to do it again
42:52 <MrMobodies> https://i.postimg.cc/09fyg1z4/IMG-20260617-034021-DRO.jpg
43:06 <MrMobodies> to realize I select the wrong option.
43:34 <MrMobodies> Select the largest disk, select manually
43:59 <MrMobodies> well it was worded where I thought use the entire partition
44:24 <MrMobodies> but it means to select the drive based on the largest one
44:28 <MrMobodies> what a stupid option to have
44:46 <MrMobodies> especially as a first option
45:44 <MrMobodies> would have been more helpful and meaningful to show the drives
45:46 <MrMobodies> https://i.postimg.cc/WzXW5psV/IMG-20260617-034123-DRO.jpg
46:08 <MrMobodies> than create a bunch of options before it that can cause confusion
07:27 <MrMobodies> Yep it's got that STUPID FADE effect that fades things on the inactive window. I couldn't find a way of turning it off on XFCE.
13:23 <MrMobodies> Look how this stupid fade SPIKES the cpu core/usage
13:24 <MrMobodies> https://streamable.com/?src_player=player-video-logo
13:25 <EEVBot> [url] Upload Video Online - Free Video Hosting - Streamable | streamable.com
13:29 <MrMobodies> oops
13:35 <MrMobodies> https://streamable.com/9gu0ee
13:35 <EEVBot> [url] Watch GTK_Focus_Backdrop_Stupidity | Streamable | streamable.com
14:23 <MrMobodies> I found out what it was earlier, and that stuff doesn't help me focus, it does the opposite, anything the flashes/fades distracts and irritates me
15:06 <MrMobodies> what's the point adding options for everything else but when they introduce this rubbish in 2019 and give no options to turn it off
16:12 <MrMobodies> They said it was to do with upstream that won't listen to them, the same people I believe who moaned about having their "themes" altered
20:03 <MrMobodies> https://i.postimg.cc/VwVLccRt/Activevs-Inactive.jpg
20:22 <MrMobodies> Imagine if I have a word document opened, and the console trying to read as I type in the console
20:55 <MrMobodies> how the hell am I going to read it if it does that to the inactive window and fades everything out and especially for multiple screens
21:31 <MrMobodies> they obviously think the user is stupid and not going to do those things
21:50 <MrMobodies> If I can turn that crap off then I'd be pleased
31:58 <MrMobodies> Excellent in as root which is why I chose this XFCE distro
32:04 <MrMobodies> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2sT9aaHBwY
32:05 <EEVBot> [YouTube] ⁨How to Enable Root User in Kali Linux [XFCE Desktop Environment]⁩ | 2m 38s | Channel: ⁨Joynul Abadin Rasel⁩ | 1,000 views | 2022-04-08 - 11:05:21 UTC
33:35 <MrMobodies> Now I can do what i want without tying SU all the time and doing a whole load of things, edit things directly from the file manager which should make it easier to try to find and turn off that inactive window annoyance
34:36 <MrMobodies> "Warning: you are using the root account. You may HARM your system" Like I am stupid. Of course I can if I want to.
36:15 <MrMobodies> I intended to create user accounts with limited privileges and launch the browser using those creditations and browser profiles eventually.
36:42 <MrMobodies> if I could get this to work to which also solves that trouble
36:43 <MrMobodies> https://sourceforge.net/projects/classiclooks/
36:43 <EEVBot> [url] Just a moment... | sourceforge.net
36:45 <MrMobodies> that'd be nice
57:18 <MrMobodies> A bonus is that it clones with Macrium reflect and it only took 2 minutes to disc image, 2 minutes to extract and under 6gb in size.
57:47 <MrMobodies> so I can make it and break it how I please now I can do what I want without going to command line and typing SU all the time
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29:53 <K> hello ms teams affacionados
33:18 <electrohead> K: https://i.programmerhumor.io/2025/08/aa8c233f6de117e700dfda05301400b2cd35744457f71cf7e346bc4151c09e12.png
33:59 * Ysjoelfir antiafficionades with teams
57:32 * electrohead hugs the Ysjoelfir before skadoodling to bed
59:24 * Ysjoelfir sipps on his black tea with sweetened condensed milk
02:52 * Ysjoelfir offers electrohead some, to stay awake
50:09 <Halcyon> Hey all. I'm homeeee
50:18 <Halcyon> Ayyye Ysjoelfir is here too
51:38 <K> tea w milk
51:48 * K falls over, dead.
53:50 <Halcyon> Hello K
54:51 <Ysjoelfir> oh noez! The K is dead from exhaustion!
55:00 * Ysjoelfir drizzles the remaining half cup of his tea into K
55:01 <K> shock
55:33 <Ysjoelfir> Oh, ok. Black milk tea calms me down, here, take some more! *offers*
55:43 <Ysjoelfir> Also, Hi Halfcyan <3
56:38 <Halcyon> :D
57:28 <K> milk does not go with tea
58:38 <Ysjoelfir> its sweetened condensed milk from... some slavic region I think. they know their tea stuff I heard. and they write, goes perfect with black tea, so.... it must be correct, no? :D
58:40 <Halcyon> I agree K. But I also drink my coffee black
59:37 <K> the condensed milk is a thing, yes. but not for tea
00:23 <K> there are two kinds, one just somehow processed milk, the other is where a lot of sugar is added
00:33 <K> diabeetus in a tin can.
00:35 <Ysjoelfir> :P i know. I'm trolling. And yet, I still like it. Up here in the north (well, technically in Friesland) milk with tea is a must at breakfast.
01:19 <Ysjoelfir> this one is the diabetus in a can variant. or, in a tube, which is why I bought it, as the can never gets empty before it gets bad. diabetus is ok in this case, since I don't need to add any more sweetener to my tea
01:46 <Halcyon> Condensed milk is popular in some of the asian countries. But yeah, too sweet fo rme.
02:12 <Halcyon> I just like regular full fat moo milk
02:41 <Ysjoelfir> yeah, definitely not a thing for every day. I had 2 cups this morning as I felt very sleepy (trying to get away from the energies again...), and that helped a bit I think. but, I feel like I have had enough sweetness for the day already, lol
03:05 <Ysjoelfir> funny enough, in terms of moo milk: I kinda switched to.... what is that.... erm... lemme check
04:24 <Ysjoelfir> oat milk and/or rice milk. rice is a bit sweeter and has more "ricey" (well duh...) taste, but its very nice in things like cereal. oat goes perfect in coffee (or tea :P), and even though I have no problem with lactose stuff, my guts are WAY more happy that way.
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23:18 <Ysjoelfir> hi ibiza
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