// #eevblog — 2024-10-20
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02:52:50 <Kuschelpony> coppice, a comment to the thread about energy saving by mains voltage reduction (or the opposite)
02:53:42 <Kuschelpony> in my experience (germany) there is at leastsomething 30 to 50% of loads on the mains which does respond to voltagevariations
02:55:02 <Kuschelpony> for example all universal motors (on lower voltage they run a bit slower), all space heaters and fan heaters and also air conditioners that run at maximum and do not reach the point where the thermostat activates
02:55:27 <Kuschelpony> all lamps that have no constant power supply, incandescent and halogen as well as fluorescent and unregulated LED
03:02:55 <coppice> My comment was specifically about linear supplies. Just how many of them do we still have? A lot of stereo and AV receivers still seem to use linear supplies, but almost everything else with a proper power supply seems to have gone SMPS now.
03:04:26 <coppice> fan heaters don't usually use more. same for water heaters and most other electrical heaters. Even the cheapest have thermostats these days, so they just spend more time off at higher voltages
03:08:12 <coppice> most of these things are only consuming more when doing more. A linear supply is just a waster, unless its a cold day and the extra heat is useful :)
03:21:03 <Kuschelpony> what i wanted to say is, perhaps most of these heaters have thermostats but what i observearound here is that they are running 100% because too high setting andor only short time in the room
03:21:08 <Kuschelpony> also flourescent lighting
03:39:03 <coppice> well, you get more light, but if you don't need more......
03:39:17 <Kuschelpony> exactly this
03:40:13 <coppice> people are really bad with heater waste. the number who want heat and fresh air, and run heaters with the windows open..... A little extra voltage is a small additional issue
03:41:04 <Kuschelpony> also this
03:42:04 <Kuschelpony> or like here, they compensate with "full blast" heaating their feeling of coldness because the room can not heat up as fast as the limited time they use it
03:43:55 <coppice> I've known a few people in apartments, where they can't properly control their own heating, and the others in the block are all elderly people who want the heating set to high. So, they have their windows open in winter.
03:45:13 <Kuschelpony> well, myselfhas no heating needed, my parents in the lower floor heat their rooms very high
03:45:23 <Kuschelpony> so my floor is still nice warm
03:52:34 <coppice> yeah, live upstairs. heat rises. This 5 bedroom house just has my son and I living here right now. My study and his bedroom are both upstairs, and we spend most of our time in those rooms. So we heat the downstairs to 16C, and put up with that when we cook and eat. Its a nice 20C to 21C upstairs, without the upstairs radiators doing a lot.
04:00:58 <Kuschelpony> thi house has only two floors
04:04:38 <coppice> so does this
04:05:32 <coppice> of course, if your house is really tall the top floor gets closer to the sun
06:16:39 <Kuschelpony> multi-function socket https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datei:VIMAR_universale.jpg
06:16:39 <EEVBot> [wikipedia] Error fetching snippet for "Datei:VIMAR universale.jpg".
06:17:28 <coppice> its hardly universal
06:31:42 <rust_collector> well, no, then it would be 3 croc clips on wires. that is pretty universal. but it looks a bit universaler than most sockets?
06:35:18 <coppice> most universals cover at least US, Schutko, UK, and China, even if they mostly leave out India
06:39:40 * K puts excessive amounts of bypass caps on rust_collectors vcc pins
06:40:42 <K> and then promptly proceeds to yell at tea steeper for spilling tea on the table
06:41:09 <rust_collector> hmmm. sounds like an eventful evening
07:14:54 <Lemon> evening pals
07:14:58 <Lemon> and gals
07:15:51 <rust_collector> hoi-oo
07:16:05 <coppice> hoi sin
07:29:14 Quit: Kuschelpony ([email protected]) EOF from client
10:37:05 * steve30 passes Lemon a cat to play with instead
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11:41:02 <arch> i have just spent $130 on a set of knipex circlip pliers :|
11:41:33 <rust_collector> yay!
11:42:45 <Ampera> arch, watch as you break them on the first clip
11:43:38 <rust_collector> yes, I hope you have a bench grinder, so you can put new tips on them
11:44:07 <Ampera> the two things archs knows how to do: bench and grind
11:47:05 <arch> fucking hate circlips
11:47:33 <arch> but alas, i need them eventually when i rebuild the old crv transmission
11:48:01 <rust_collector> it is ok, you will have those in your box for a loooong time
11:48:46 <arch> it's such a niche tool, but in the rare cases you find having to take out a circlip, you better hope you have circlip pliers somewhere
11:49:07 <arch> i unfortunately had none. no circlip pliers. now i have to wait until these get these next week
11:49:31 <arch> (technically i could drive 40 miles, cuz lowes doesn't have it here, and homedepot is far away)
11:49:44 <arch> but that would jack up the price even more thanks for my gas guzzler truck
11:50:11 <rust_collector> you could also use a small prydriver, and a something. many options
11:50:26 <Ampera> you should get a glass hammer
11:50:33 <Ampera> and make sure you have blinker fluid
11:50:42 <Ampera> also, if you are right handed, you should buy a right handed screwdriver.
11:52:22 <rust_collector> huuuge news, for anyone who cares: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Ugy_9epiD4o
11:52:22 <EEVBot> [YouTube] Channel Name Change Update | 32s | Channel: LetUsRepair (Geir Andersen) | 5 views | 2024-10-18 - 20:15:01 UTC
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13:59:05 <arch> rust_collector, who's that handsomely bearded, bespectacled fellow? you?
15:53:23 * Halcyon prods electrohead
15:53:40 <Halcyon> Also good afternoon gizzards
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16:13:10 <steve30> hi
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17:14:30 <Halcyon> Hey Steve
17:14:35 <Halcyon> I'm installing Windows 98SE
17:14:49 <steve30> cool
17:15:02 <steve30> I did that a few years back. I rebooted it and it performed an illegal operation
17:15:24 <Halcyon> Oh boo
17:18:25 <steve30> what machine are you installing it on?
17:19:32 <Halcyon> Oh just some random AMD piece of shit. I just wanted to test a bunch of AGP Voodoo cards I had
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18:48:57 <Lemon> but I have 19 of those already :/
18:48:57 <Lemon> for my defense, my mother hoarded them, not me !
18:48:57 <steve30> only 19?
18:48:57 <Lemon> we did sadly lose 3 in one year ;(
18:48:57 <Lemon> one had a cancer, second died out of nowhere (poisoning we think) and the third one was old and simply left, surely to die in peace somewhere
18:48:57 <steve30> aww ::(
18:48:57 <Lemon> sadly it happens with that many cats ! but its super nice to be surrounded by those little cute thingies :> not all of them are at home at once, usually 10/12 max (sometimes more in winter)
18:48:57 <Ampera> hey Lemon
18:48:57 <Ampera> wazzup
18:48:57 <Ampera> :>
18:48:57 <Lemon> wazzzaaaa, nothing much just ebay window shopping ! and you ?
18:48:57 <steve30> Lemon, you should definitely invite Halcyon round for a date :p
18:48:57 <Lemon> he's into horrible power hungry servers too ? :>
18:48:57 <Halcyon> Hm wha?
18:48:57 <steve30> hehe
18:50:01 <Halcyon> I don't understand how Windows 95c with the USB supplement has better support for basic USB flash drives than Windows 98se
18:50:26 <steve30> i've never used windows 95 with usb
18:50:56 <Halcyon> It was flakey at times, but definitely do-able
19:27:34 <steve30> I noticed the other day that my old college has taken down the Stonewall poster that it had up in the entrance
19:27:53 <steve30> I wonder if they decided it was a bit out of date
19:28:20 <steve30> It was from an early 2010s campaign that said "SOME PEOPLE ARE GAY. GET OVER IT".
19:53:24 <Halcyon> Seems a bit out of date
19:53:36 <Halcyon> Considering most people didn't care about gays by the early 2000's
19:54:16 <Halcyon> Probably earlier
19:55:52 <Halcyon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRSP647qda4
19:55:52 <EEVBot> [YouTube] EEVblog 1646 - iFixIt FixHub Portable USB Soldering Station REVIEW | 38m 23s | Channel: EEVblog | 3,631 views | 2024-10-20 - 07:38:29 UTC
19:56:00 <Halcyon> That's actually kind of neat for the price
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22:03:04 <eLNeroDiablo> even'n
22:04:07 <steve30> hi
22:05:48 <eLNeroDiablo> just watching the new video going over the iFixit FixHub; it's tempting to get one once available so I can get some projects I have off the ground, that've been stalled due to issues finding a decent iron that isn't likely to die on me and doesn't need to be tether to mains
22:06:16 <steve30> Not watched that one yet.
22:06:55 <eLNeroDiablo> was released like 3-4 hours ago, around dinner time
22:07:55 <rust_collector5> it looks ok, i guess
22:08:31 <Halcyon> Hello eLNeroDiablo
22:08:56 <Halcyon> I was thinking that myself. I don't do a lot of soldering myself, but when I do, on the odd occasion, I need the iron to be good
22:09:00 <eLNeroDiablo> key feature of it for me would be the repair factor, which should let it last easily 20 years when most modern things are lucky to last 5 years
22:09:06 <Halcyon> But I can't justify the thousands for a JBC station
22:09:57 <Halcyon> I'd like to think some of the "issues" that Dave pointed out with the temperature display can be solved via firmware.
22:10:15 <Halcyon> But even then, I don't really care if my iron takes 4 seconds or 40 seconds to come to temp.
22:11:11 <eLNeroDiablo> $250 Freedom Eagles, like $400 Dollarydoos; sure it might be 'expensive' as a lower-cost item, but for iFixit's first entry in to the field of irons I'd be happy with that price just to be sure if it does have a failure (the battery module is likely the first part to go) is can be easily accessed and repaired
22:12:20 <eLNeroDiablo> heck, from the x-ray view of the unit on iFixit's video about it, it looks like the battery module is a bunch of 18650 LiPo cells working together
22:12:36 * steve30 likes his mains powered hakko
22:12:41 <eLNeroDiablo> so even that can be refurbished by the cells being replaced (and rebalanced)
22:13:01 <Halcyon> Looks like everything is well made. It's disappointing they made the battery pack in China
22:13:33 <eLNeroDiablo> my main problem with mains-power irons would be the need of an extension cord so I can use them outside as I don't have a dedicated workbench in the house
22:13:56 <steve30> yeah, i can see the advantage of battery irons
22:13:59 <steve30> i often run out of cab;e
22:14:39 <Halcyon> I have a cheapy soldering station but it mostly lives in a drawer.
22:14:46 <Halcyon> It's annoying to whip out (heh)
22:15:16 <eLNeroDiablo> the need of a desktop browser to control the iron on its own if out in the field without the battery unit - laptops to the rescue! XD
22:15:39 <Halcyon> Minor issue
22:15:53 <Halcyon> I usually have my Mac laptop with me anyway.
22:15:56 <steve30> Its an IoT soldering iron?
22:16:11 <steve30> my Hakko has a nice knob on the front :)
22:16:14 <Halcyon> Kind of, but I think it accepts serial commands as well.
22:16:32 <eLNeroDiablo> yeah, the tips currently available for it are mostly for small projects without giant copper planes it looks like
22:16:55 <Halcyon> I mostly just repair computer motherboards
22:16:59 <Halcyon> Should be right
22:17:11 <eLNeroDiablo> oh, the actual iron itself; it uses USB-C cables to connect the the bank and accept power and temp controls. XD
22:19:33 <eLNeroDiablo> it's so repairable and modular; the cable isn't perma-attached to either iron or bank; you can use a 100W-rated USB-C cable from basically anywhere if you need to replace the official cable and need to use the iron whilst waiting on a replacement cable (with the strain relief and locking mount for the tail of the iron)
22:21:46 <eLNeroDiablo> one thing about the video that keeps tripping me up is Dave fiddling with the iron and waving it around whilst it's powered on and heated up (as it has a power switch near the tail of the iron itself). XD
22:38:22 Quit: steve30 ([email protected]) Quit: <Baljem> steve30: by the way, I had the most bizarre dream the other day that someone came in here and seriously flipped their shit over your quit message and why aren't the ops /doing/ something about it
23:02:44 <rust_collector> I almost like that iron, but for that price, I would probably get something else
23:17:32 <eLNeroDiablo> I mean, as I commented on the video - $250 USD/$400 AUD for a first-gen product of that build quality and repairability; you're paying a premium for the R&D costs, plus the quality of the items in the BOM to make it, *plus* having it as easily repairable as it is.
23:20:14 <rust_collector> I see what you mean, but I just think it is a bit much for a little soldering iron. But, yes, it looks pretty ok
23:21:26 <eLNeroDiablo> well that $250 USD is for the iron, the battery unit, linking cable, and the various accessories; the iron on its own is like $80 USD and can be powered from any USB-C source that can provide up to 100W
23:22:07 <eLNeroDiablo> so like 65% of the cost of the whole kit goes in to the battery unit with the control electronics and such
23:49:38 <electrohead> o/
23:49:51 <rust_collector> ø-
23:57:13 <Lemon> morning
23:57:44 <rust_collector> yes, normal 3pm morning
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