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23:13 <Lemon> yoyo
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25:07 <Ampera> Lemon!
25:10 <Ampera> how ya doin
29:01 <Lemon> just woke up, bit earlier than usual xd
29:04 <Lemon> and you ?
29:15 <Ampera> getting into some work
29:23 <Ampera> coincidentally listening to french music
32:08 <Lemon> hooo what music ? :P
32:10 <Lemon> gimme names
32:29 <Ampera> old eurovision winners, lol
32:32 <Ampera> from forever ago
33:06 <Ampera> Poupee de cire, poupee de son; Tu te reconnaitras; and l'oiseau et l'enfant
33:32 <Ampera> maybe I will add more eurovision songs to the queue
33:50 <Lemon> ho yeah ok oldies :P
33:56 <Ampera> well I am old!
34:00 <Ampera> 22 years of old!
34:11 <Lemon> thats funny becauseI do listen to some frenchcore remix of poupée de cire haha
34:25 <Ampera> poupee de cire is an underrated song
34:32 <Lemon> heee im about, 50% older than you then :P
34:41 <Lemon> ho its really well known actually
34:48 <Ampera> I barely understand the french version, but there was an english version that has very interesting lyrics
34:53 <Ampera> maybe in france
34:56 <Ampera> nobody knows what it is here
35:40 <Lemon> ha yeah in france !
35:41 <Ampera> I think ella elle l'a is a bit more well known of her songs
35:45 <Lemon> no idea about other countries :P
36:42 <Lemon> good ol france gall
40:40 <Lemon> gainsbourg was absolutely fucked up but I like the personnage
41:09 <Ampera> Lemon, I am going to Quebec for a day next month.
41:14 <Ampera> it should be fun
41:23 <Ampera> I am going to get poutine, and maybe if I am lucky bring some cretons back across the border.
47:42 <Lemon> some croutons ? :P
47:48 <Lemon> the little bread thingies ?
47:51 <Ampera> no, cretons
47:53 <Ampera> it's a quebecois thing
47:54 <Lemon> thats really nice I barely went out of france
47:59 <Lemon> hooo ok I didnt know x)
48:08 <Ampera> it's basically a spiced ground pork spread
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50:16 <Lemon> that sounds tasty !
53:50 <Ampera> I had it when I visited my relatives in (the US state of) Georgia
54:03 <Ampera> I could make it, but it is easily found in Montreal, so I am hoping I can bring some back
57:12 <arch> people say you should only rotate the engine crankshaft clockwise when you're working on adjusting the valve lash. what would happen if you rotated the engine counterclockwise? would it damage parts?
57:46 Quit: watcher ([email protected]) Quit: KVIrc 5.2.4 Quasar http://www.kvirc.net/
57:49 <Ampera> instead of consuming gasoline, it will produce it and set the engine on fire
57:56 <arch> unlimited power!
04:55 * electrohead adds more power
05:15 <Lemon> always turn shit clockwise :>
05:34 <Lemon> shit I had a very bad idea yday night
05:52 <Lemon> I played tibia online (very old mmo) for years, actually I did play a good year non stop recently
06:00 <Lemon> this account is worth some serious money
06:14 <Lemon> on one hand, its my favourite game ever and I invested a lot of time/money
06:18 <Lemon> on another hand, I need money lol
07:26 <electrohead> We all need money
08:24 <Lemon> gear on it is maybe around 500/700 euros
08:36 <Lemon> char + acc, hard to say, 1/2k id say
09:19 <MrMobodies> I got a response to my question
09:21 <MrMobodies> https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/arbitration-and-no-sue-clauses-on-packaging-and-seals/msg5669111/#msg5669111
09:21 <EEVBot> [url] Arbitration and no sue clauses on packaging and seals. - Page 2 | www.eevblog.com
09:32 <MrMobodies> Q: In that case why is this arbitration/no sue clause NOT in the listing?
09:41 <MrMobodies> A: The clause on the seal of the product package is referring to our product limited warranty.
09:54 <MrMobodies> but isn't that consumer rights restrictings
12:55 <MrMobodies> Thames Water Mark 2
12:56 <MrMobodies> https://www.cityam.com/macquarie-owned-southern-water-looks-to-borrow-billions/
12:56 <EEVBot> [url] Macquarie owned Southern Water looks to borrow billions | www.cityam.com
14:17 <MrMobodies> Soon it'll be the public paying the debtors to Southern Water.
16:14 <electrohead> Companies that jump on the forced arbitration bandwagon are beyond scum
28:00 <Lemon> I really want to get into the server game
28:06 <Lemon> get a small cabinet, sound proof it
28:22 <Lemon> buy things months after months, not all at once
29:34 <Ampera> Lemon, lmk when you beat me for storage capacity
29:44 <Lemon> hooo that wont be anytime soon !!
29:56 <Lemon> right now, all I have in my machine is 4x1tb nvmes in raid 10
30:06 <Lemon> got a couple hdds, 4tb, 2tbs etc but not mounted
30:16 <Ampera> I have 8x4TB RAIDZ2 and 12x6TB RAIDZ3
30:41 <Lemon> thats pretty serious :P the server im looking at got 12x3.5" bays, that could be nice already
30:51 <Lemon> it also got some 2.5" at the back
31:10 <Lemon> but im not sure I'll go this route, maybe more of a server only for storage, and another for cpu/gpus
31:25 <Ampera> I had a split like that, but it used too much power
31:29 <Ampera> so I have all in one now
32:25 <Lemon> well theres that too
32:44 <Lemon> I want a dual epyc system with enough pcie x16 slots to add gpus in the future
33:04 <Lemon> this one cost about 1.3k used on ebay https://www.gigabyte.com/fr/Enterprise/Rack-Server/R282-Z93-rev-A00#Specifications
33:05 <flyback> hmm Zfs owns your "canuck".
33:05 <Ampera> you are crazy
33:06 <EEVBot> [url] R282-Z93 (rev. A00) | Rack Servers - GIGABYTE France | www.gigabyte.com
33:08 <Ampera> but I have already told you this
33:09 * flyback dropkicks nothing
33:22 <Lemon> it takes up to 7003 series, 7002 are priced ok
33:29 <Lemon> 48 cores cost around 330 a piece
33:40 <Lemon> so I can start with one, 8x32gb ddr4 and get running
33:49 <Lemon> later double it, and much later change them for 7003 series
34:03 <Lemon> thats what I like with those things, I'd get loooots of years out of it
34:08 <Lemon> my z440 is already maxxed out
34:26 <Lemon> it seems this server could take 2 dual slots gpus
34:41 <Lemon> I could be wrong, im still new with those things
34:51 <Lemon> for the noise, before I get a cabinet, I thought about changing fans
35:00 <Lemon> and replacing the passive coolers for active ones onc pus
35:25 <Lemon> thats basically 2k for 48c/96t, 256gb ddr4 3200
35:36 <Lemon> I can take my 2080 ti and ssds and put it inside
36:01 <Lemon> max would be 128c/256t with gen 3s, and 8tb ram, which I'll surely never see haha
36:06 <Lemon> 1tb ram is already insane
36:21 * Ampera asks the horrible question
36:26 <Ampera> and what do you plan to do with all of this?
37:51 <Lemon> conquer the world !
38:07 <Lemon> mostly learn, networking, deep learning, fucking around
38:14 <Lemon> I just love those big numbers :>
39:48 <Lemon> a switch, a firewall (pfsense, opnsense or whatever), that bigboi as my main thing, maybe another for other shit, a ups, and bam
39:54 <Lemon> everything in a neat little cabinet
40:09 <Lemon> shit would already take me at least 2 years of saving/money making
50:40 <Lemon> I just want stuff I can upgrade, rather than go with something old but maxed out
50:47 <Lemon> I did that for the z440 because I had low budget
45:26 <steve30> According to the memory lane section of the local paper, the council decided not to hold any new years eve celebrations of 31st Dec 1999 due to fears over the millenium bug.
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20:43 <steve30> i need to attempt some shopping
25:46 <electrohead> go shopping for me as well, thanks
25:48 <electrohead> lol
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38:28 <Lemon> @ampera ampy you here ?
08:32 <MrMobodies> Hello, just plugged in an UPS from the USB that I know is going to work.
09:20 <MrMobodies> put in the correct driver name in NUT UPS and it connected, driver started and I thought gret
10:29 <MrMobodies> then there's this
10:31 <MrMobodies> https://i.imgur.com/u0xJvEv.png
10:37 <MrMobodies> every step of the way
11:02 <MrMobodies> I did set set the username and password
11:30 <MrMobodies> or is it I reading it wrong where it says "Failed to connect"
15:42 <MrMobodies> listening on 0.0.0.0 port 3493
15:52 <MrMobodies> so that should work on the console
16:04 <MrMobodies> maybe I should look at changing that
21:38 <Ampera> Lemon, I am now
22:12 <Lemon> yoyo ! you might call me even more insane than I am, I might have found a server that would suit my needs :>
22:33 <Lemon> I wont be able to let it 24/7 due the power it uses, but thats a wonderful performance/price thingie
23:22 <Ampera> you are reaching levels of insane that not even membranes could match
23:38 <Lemon> plan (if I do it) is to sell the ram I have on the z440 to get just 32gb, sell the 2080 ti and put a cheap one to get an image
23:44 <Lemon> and remotely access the big boi :copyright:
23:59 <MrMobodies> It seems to be working
24:00 <Lemon> an hp DL580 gen 9 !
24:00 <MrMobodies> https://i.imgur.com/zWYduFH.png
24:14 <MrMobodies> Isn't that stupid? the log shows it already binded to that port
24:51 <MrMobodies> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/275520609975?
24:52 <EEVBot> [url] HPE ProLiant DL580 Gen9 Server QUAD 18-Core Xeon E5-8867 v4 72Core/144T HPC CAD | eBay | www.ebay.co.uk
24:54 <MrMobodies> WOW 18 CORE
25:09 <Lemon> actually
25:13 <Lemon> 4x24 cores
25:14 <Lemon> XD
25:32 <Lemon> cpus are dirt cheap, 150 euros for 4 of the best ones (they are from 2017)
25:42 <Lemon> so 96c 192t max, for 150 euros
26:01 <Lemon> server wise I found one with everything inside (fans, heatsinks, every ram drawers etc) for 500
26:08 <MrMobodies> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/284797511645
26:09 <EEVBot> [url] HPE DL560 & DL580 Gen9 Power Supply Upgrade Options | eBay | www.ebay.co.uk
26:11 <Lemon> it got 9 pcie 3.0 slots
26:17 <MrMobodies> that's good, they put the fans on the back not the middle like some of them
26:18 <Lemon> 4x1.2kw psus
26:28 <Lemon> in a 2+2 setup
26:34 <Lemon> 96 dimms
26:37 <MrMobodies> The DL380 I use to have use to get hot in the back and it travel further up
26:40 <Lemon> which is ridiculous
26:45 <MrMobodies> 96 dims that's a lot
26:51 <MrMobodies> if they were all populated
26:56 <MrMobodies> I wonder how much power they'd use
26:57 <Lemon> thats up to 12tb with lrdimms
27:01 <Lemon> or 6tb with rdimms
27:04 <Lemon> :>>>>>>>>>
27:15 <MrMobodies> fit a hard disk in there
27:17 <Lemon> to start I'd just populate the strict minimum
27:46 <Lemon> I want such a server to add gpus as time pass, to make it a powerful render machine for stable diffusion, LLM's, hashcat, and whatever I want to dip in
27:52 <Lemon> and price wise, if we don't talk about electricity
27:57 <Lemon> I think its really hard to beat
28:11 <MrMobodies> I don't think I could afford the privilege of running anything big not with the oil prices
28:24 <MrMobodies> I have a G7 up there I had to stop using sinc elate 2021
28:35 <Lemon> well I would run it only when needed, and use my current z440 as a "main" device to fuck around
28:35 <MrMobodies> and a G8 that I might start using again
28:51 <Lemon> yeah 0.25C per kw here ;/
28:58 <Lemon> so impossible to run it 24.7, even idling
29:07 <Lemon> heck idk how much it would use idling
29:11 <Lemon> probably a shitton
29:12 <MrMobodies> very attracting for £230
29:13 <MrMobodies> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/144966835271?
29:14 <EEVBot> [url] HP Z440 Workstation: Xeon 14-Core/3.6GHz, 64GB DDR4 RAM, 1TB SSD, Quadro GFX | eBay | www.ebay.co.uk
29:33 <Lemon> z440 are nice ! I paid 140 for the case/mobo/psu/cpu cooler, it was in a brand new state
29:48 <Lemon> then 140 for a 2699 v4, 200 for 256gb of ddr4 2400
29:54 <Lemon> and 250 for a 2080 ti
30:00 <Lemon> + ssds etc etc
30:05 <MrMobodies> oh it's got a low end NVS quadro "Not Very Satisfying"
30:07 <Lemon> right now its my main machine
30:27 <MrMobodies> so it'd seem pricey at the momet
30:31 <Lemon> if I get the server, I'd sell the ram/gpu, put 32gb in it and a cheap gpu
30:48 <Lemon> I got one of those 14 cores, paid 20 shipped for it
31:12 <MrMobodies> aah £460 when a Qudro P400 is selected
31:16 <Lemon> so what do you think ? I want to start building a server rack, and I think it would be a wonderful render machine
31:19 <MrMobodies> I bet they put a bigger PSU in there too
31:21 <Lemon> oof thats expensive
31:27 <MrMobodies> oh yes
31:28 <Lemon> 700w is the biggest one
31:41 <MrMobodies> if you got a rack so much more freedom
31:43 <Lemon> its enough for the top of the line cpu + a big gpu
31:53 <MrMobodies> not dependent on shelves and things to hold them on
32:00 <Lemon> yeah and I want to learn networking, managing vms remotely etc
32:15 <Lemon> that server can hold so many gpus, it would last quite a while
32:26 <Lemon> only downside is the single thread performance, but we can't have it all
32:29 <MrMobodies> One network for the management side and the other for the lan or wan side
32:34 <Lemon> and its not really demanded a lot
32:48 <MrMobodies> "we can't have it all" is always what I stumble on
33:01 <Lemon> I thought about a switch, a pfsense/opvsense server, the big boi, and see from there
33:09 <Lemon> the z440 as my "thin client"
33:13 <MrMobodies> especially when I become too greedy or expect too much about something small
33:27 <Lemon> yeah thats just how it is
33:36 <Lemon> but im just, mesmerized by that server
33:39 <Lemon> so much powah !
33:49 <Lemon> 96 cores and 192 threads for such a price is incredible
33:55 <MrMobodies> just don't use so much more power than you can afford
34:05 <Lemon> yeah it will be on just when needed
34:05 <MrMobodies> that's what happened to me when Russia went to war with Ukraine
34:10 <Lemon> for storage, I'll get something else
34:57 <Lemon> I can start with one gpu, and add more down the line
35:01 <Lemon> add more memory etc
35:12 <Lemon> cpus being maxxed out as they are cheap, due to a very low demand
35:28 <Lemon> which is crazy as I still paid 140 for my 22 core xeon, those 24 cores ones cost like, 30 a pop lol
35:33 <Lemon> same generation
38:16 <MrMobodies> £30 for 24 core
38:19 <MrMobodies> oops $
38:36 <MrMobodies> what a bagian
38:47 <Lemon> thats incredible
38:56 <MrMobodies> I am very pleased
38:57 <MrMobodies> https://i.imgur.com/eTxS16G.png
38:59 <MrMobodies> working
39:01 <Lemon> all four in multi thread performance are not far from a threadripper 5995wx
39:09 <Lemon> which cost what, 1.5/2k+ used ?
39:26 Quit: Kuschelpony ([email protected]) Connection closed
39:28 <Lemon> solar power inverter ? :>
39:52 <MrMobodies> aah, I made a copy of the run doing the solar panel inverter
39:59 <MrMobodies> so I'll rename it late
40:08 <MrMobodies> APC Back ups 750
40:10 <MrMobodies> via USB
40:41 <MrMobodies> now I want to try the older serial ones and there is a generic one labelled up by the propretiary cables they use to use
40:57 <MrMobodies> but the graph is very useful
41:30 <Lemon> hehe very nice :P I'll think about ups's one day !
41:37 <Lemon> I want so much stuff
41:47 <MrMobodies> Do you expeirence power cuts
42:00 <MrMobodies> well forget about those, mains flickering
42:14 <MrMobodies> when the lights go on and off rapidly in seconds
42:32 <MrMobodies> and it takes certain things out
42:56 <MrMobodies> one of my PSU's blew up when it did it once. It was doing the pfsene firewall
43:10 <MrMobodies> 6 flickers in 3 seconds late last year
43:36 <Lemon> rarely but it happens yeah
43:39 <MrMobodies> I am in the countryside but when we moved in 2019 whilst there were powercuts it wasn't like this
43:44 <Lemon> im going big on redundancy those days
46:05 <Lemon> on top of just learning new things, I hope one day it will be useful to get ajob out of it !
50:15 <MrMobodies> I don't often get to learn new things
50:25 <MrMobodies> I struggle with the basics
50:43 <MrMobodies> when I understand which is rarely then I realize how basic it was
50:52 <MrMobodies> but it is nice though
51:00 <MrMobodies> just like that UPS over Homeassistant
51:54 <MrMobodies> they try to simplify it with the menu's but it is simplified to a point where if you don't put a port number in it don't work and you have to press a button which looks ambigious to me
52:17 <MrMobodies> as opposed if I did it directly to the Yaml editor with a default template
53:37 <Lemon> im kinda the same ! recently I went full linux, I had pretty much zero knowledge and now I can do decently fine ! I have all the time in the world which is also a big plus
56:32 <Lemon> so the server, 256gb ram, and the 4 cpus would be about 920 shipped
56:38 <Lemon> (euros)
56:44 <Lemon> i'd need at least one gpu ofc
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59:41 <Rhine_Labs> Automated Chip Programmer a Look Inside. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hd5c6RGNlXg
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39:53 <Lemon> hehhh well
40:16 <Lemon> the more I read, I think its the cheapest way to have tons of cores/ram/4+ gpu slots
40:39 <Lemon> dual epyc servers are just too pricy if I want 4u versions that takes lots of gpus
48:49 <Lemon> the servers memory is really confusing
49:03 <Lemon> it got 8 "modules", that are hotswappable
49:06 <Lemon> in each theres 12 slots
49:17 <Lemon> each cpu got 8 channels, with 3 dimms per channel
49:32 <Lemon> the more dimms you populate per channel, the less speed you get
49:33 <MrMobodies> 8 channels
49:35 <MrMobodies> that's nice
49:40 <MrMobodies> got my template up
49:42 <MrMobodies> https://i.imgur.com/ERJjjSQ.png
49:45 <Lemon> yeah thats actually quite fast
49:56 <MrMobodies> if it would work with the serial ones then I'd rename it
50:11 <Lemon> looks pretty easy to read !
50:40 <Lemon> about 45 minutes runtime
50:46 <MrMobodies> The Schneider enterprise thing seems pretty rigid, restricted and irritating
50:56 <MrMobodies> that's with 2 12v 7a batteries
51:37 <MrMobodies> powering a pfense router, old I7 quad core with 12 network cards (Silicom 6 port and 2 duak pots
51:45 <MrMobodies> 2 netgear 24 port gigabit switches
52:10 <MrMobodies> one M93 minipc running that platform
52:47 <MrMobodies> and an utlra low power HP 7w thing I moved over it to a few days ago when the other kept on overloading
53:21 <Lemon> that sounds pretty solid !!
53:26 <MrMobodies> so when I buy a new attery for the other UPS move them back the runtime should get a little longer
53:39 <MrMobodies> I have four of them
53:48 <Lemon> if I get the dl580, I dont want to think about the ups I'd need Xd
54:58 <MrMobodies> 2x 600w+ (12v 12a battery) APC ups on my top shelf, 1x APC 750 2x 12v 7a attery )in a cabinet with a APC SC 400w (12v 7a doing another M93 for the Solar inverter data logging)
55:09 <MrMobodies> aaah I see
55:23 <MrMobodies> not if you are short of money and want to maximise
56:29 <MrMobodies> If there is no main flickering EVER (none back at my old address), if there are no powercuts (rare back at my old address, last one in 2015)
56:37 <MrMobodies> then no need for an UPS
57:16 <MrMobodies> if there is mains flickering then yes you'd need one for your data sake
57:55 <MrMobodies> I got all of those on Ebay second hand
58:05 <MrMobodies> when the price was right over the past 4 years
58:54 <Lemon> thats a rad setup already :o
58:56 <MrMobodies> and I gave one a small SC400 (12v 7a battery) to the violin man across the road which I pick up for £20 in 2020 as a spare for my other one.
59:04 <Lemon> well we do cut cut-off once/twice a year I'd say
59:07 <Lemon> power is fairly stable
59:25 <Lemon> id probably buy rack ones that got no batteries, and add batteries myself
59:29 <Lemon> seems to be cheaper than brand new
59:30 <MrMobodies> so no flickering and low voltage events
59:40 <MrMobodies> twice a year seems okay
00:02 <MrMobodies> for a rack that'd be good and compact
00:08 <MrMobodies> the 1u ones
00:13 <MrMobodies> or 2us
00:19 <Lemon> yeah or bigger, its no problemo
00:23 <Lemon> btw, I was wondering
00:39 <Lemon> you see, "hibernation", on desktops/laptops, when the pc almost turn off but keeps system in ram
00:43 <Lemon> can I do that with a server ?
00:55 <MrMobodies> I disable it from doing that on mine
00:59 <Lemon> it will take time to resume what it was doing, but I dont need to turn it off that way
01:23 <MrMobodies> I thought it dumped stuff to the hard drive near to pagefile.sys
01:28 <MrMobodies> on Winows
02:35 <MrMobodies> https://i.imgur.com/UEPgQGM.png
02:48 <MrMobodies> As you can see it seems to dither by 10v or so in this area
03:05 <MrMobodies> sometimes as 250v then drops to 230v
03:32 <MrMobodies> occasionally a low volt situation of 100v for a couple of hours which happened last Apri
03:56 <MrMobodies> in this village the homes are fed by different supplies
04:28 <MrMobodies> so when the street next to me experiences a power cut where mine stays on, it'd either flicker or trip my rcd out.
04:58 <MrMobodies> that's how crap it can be in this village
05:11 <Lemon> hmmm I never looked into it here
05:18 <Lemon> I'll check it, and at my flat too
05:26 <Lemon> on windows im not sure, im on fedora right now
05:35 <Lemon> seems it stores stuff in ram, its fairly fast to wake up
09:56 <MrMobodies> when LTSC 1809 comes to an end hopefully by that time I'd jump ship
11:06 <MrMobodies> I don't want STUPID resource wasting animated placeholder decorations in the menu's that hog up the CPU time and slow everything down and annoy me by the flashing.
11:41 <MrMobodies> when it could be loading the contents QUICKER without it
12:21 <MrMobodies> that was in a later 2021 LTSC and when I saw that and the effect it had on the resources when they appeared I gave up on it
22:28 <MrMobodies> now I know that package works
22:39 <MrMobodies> that means I could test out the other drivers with the old ones
23:12 <MrMobodies> if I could a few of them on Homeassistant that'd be nice
24:57 <MrMobodies> I am also pleased about the Solar panels too
25:44 <electrohead> https://imgur.com/gallery/nobody-made-you-watch-v9SoFxH
26:09 <MrMobodies> I saw this in anger and comtempt... No stupid app!, no "smart" wifi stick, no phone, no internet, no "cloud" service for the privilege of sloppy slow readings and stupidity!
26:30 <MrMobodies> just cabled from one end to the other Inverter to minipc via ethernet
27:36 <Lemon> yeah keeping things simple and not bloated is nice. I installed win 10 in a vm the other day and forgot how many things they asked you about, thats nuts ! just install my goddamned os !
28:05 <MrMobodies> I made a template copy, with Macrium Reflect which took me 2 years to modify it
28:11 * Ampera hugs electrohead
28:13 <MrMobodies> I gave a copy to Steve30 and gifted him with the key
29:06 <MrMobodies> I put copied over a template user profile to user profile so when you create another account you don't get that annoying screen with the privacy screen
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30:17 * electrohead hugs Ampera
30:25 <Ampera> how ya doin?
30:29 <MrMobodies> If someone likes it, I just extract it to a blank SSD which can take 5 minutes or less than that, find and install chipset drivers, buy the key, make a disc image on a bootable pen drive and they are set.
31:11 <MrMobodies> Simple Simon the Violin man is pleased with it he said to me "it runs like a dream"
31:29 <MrMobodies> what I think he means is, he no longer gets pestered
31:37 <electrohead> Ampera, installing proxmox on that DL580
31:45 <Ampera> noice
32:10 <electrohead> so the tesla k80's won't work in it, so .. will figure out how to build an enclosure, for my R910
32:13 <electrohead> done deal
32:37 <MrMobodies> through the windows updates, to pay for things like onedrive, buy office 365 (he uses libreoffice so no interest) and last of all the Co polite thing intefering with his audio stuff.
32:40 <electrohead> I shoved a gtx 780 in that dl580, at least just to have something available for .. whatever
33:48 <steve30> I made an image of the MrMobodies windows 10 ssd in case I screw something up and need to start again :)
34:05 <steve30> I don't use it much though so hopefully I won't screw it up.
34:31 <MrMobodies> Steve30, I have some registry file to turn on some services I switched off, where some updates don't install
34:41 <MrMobodies> if you need them in future
34:51 <MrMobodies> they ar e just some services I disable or set to manual
35:05 <steve30> I haven't tried updating it
35:15 <MrMobodies> Lemon, do you get pested with the above, buy Onedrive and Office 365 every month or so?
35:17 <MrMobodies> oh
35:37 <MrMobodies> Lemon, I mean after every update
35:57 <Lemon> hoooo @electrohead you got a dl580 ? :O
36:03 <MrMobodies> the Violin had to set his preferences over and over again and it was annoying him
36:08 <Lemon> well really, I don't use windows ;/
36:14 <Lemon> and when I did, I didnt really care about office
36:17 <MrMobodies> when like a major or build change
36:33 <Lemon> btw, @ is the right way to ping people ?
36:40 <MrMobodies> you don't have to care about it, it will care about you and harass you. that's a joke
36:51 <Lemon> haaa sorry... I must be tired, I didn't pick it up !
36:51 <MrMobodies> the office 365
37:22 <MrMobodies> He don't use it, doesn't have it installed but it kept on advertising
37:54 <MrMobodies> He had this Duo Core with that LTSC I installed on it 2 years ago
38:10 <electrohead> Lemon: the R910 is way better lol
38:10 <MrMobodies> he was getting so pestered he asked for it
38:25 <electrohead> but yeah, ampera actually gave it to me, said if I can find a use for it, voila
38:33 <electrohead> so, I'm trying to give it purpose lol
38:47 <Lemon> what generation is it ? :>
38:51 <MrMobodies> Steve30, the last time I updated it it removed flash player which could be really bad for things like osciloscopes. joke article
38:55 <Lemon> the one im looking at is a gen9, to take e7 v4s
39:00 <electrohead> also - Lemon, just the name is fine, @ is for discord and other things :p
39:09 <Lemon> ha right ! thanks :>
39:28 <MrMobodies> oscilloscpes that may use flash player i mean (they recommended LTSB for things like that) some year ago
39:39 <Lemon> basically, im after a cheap, with tons of cores/dimm slots server that can take several gpus
39:49 <Lemon> so I can start with one, and add them months after months
39:54 <MrMobodies> but not after cheap electricity?
39:59 <MrMobodies> that's a joke too
40:03 <Lemon> lets put electricity aside hehehe
40:06 <MrMobodies> when you have them all going
40:26 <Lemon> the gen9 is interesting because of its price, and cpu price
40:32 <MrMobodies> back many years ago I never needed to think about that too
40:33 <Lemon> memory is also ok price wise
40:36 <MrMobodies> oh yes
40:54 <Lemon> it can take 4 dual slot gpus, on pcie 3 x16 slots
40:57 <MrMobodies> memory will fall and you get more capsvity
41:08 <Lemon> and have some single slot pcie free slots
41:32 <Lemon> so while a dual epyc system is much better, if I want one with lots of pcie slots
41:35 <Lemon> its muuuuuuuch pricier
41:50 <electrohead> it's the dl580 g7
42:32 <Lemon> ha yes so significantly older
42:41 <Lemon> the dell r930 would be the equivalent, it seems quite more expensive
43:06 <Lemon> I found a dl580 gen9, barebone with coolers, fans, caddies etc for 500 something shipped (decent amount in shipping cost)
43:11 <MrMobodies> the problem I found with Dell if the non standard fittings they use
43:12 <Lemon> 150 to get the cpus
43:28 <MrMobodies> and some stuff PCI stuff don't seem to work
43:32 <Lemon> so for around 900, I get 96c/192t, 256gb ddr4 and the server
43:57 <MrMobodies> 192tb raid array
44:08 <MrMobodies> mechanical drives or ssd's?
44:43 <Lemon> well, this one would not have tons of storage, I think i'd get another server for bulk storage instead
44:59 <Lemon> it got 10x2.5" slots that I'd use for the system and softwares I believe
45:06 <Lemon> probably ssds
46:02 <Lemon> but yeah I keep looking, I can't find a better deal for multi gpu servers (electricity aside)
46:08 <Lemon> as again it will only be powered on when needed
46:08 <MrMobodies> well that sounds like a bargain if they are ssd's
46:13 <Lemon> ha no wait
46:16 <Lemon> 900 without any ssds
46:26 <Lemon> 900 for server, cpus and 256gb ram :>
46:37 <MrMobodies> aah okay 192tb is is maximum for storage
46:40 <Lemon> for the ssds I'll just get some used ones to put in raid, it doesnt need lots of storage
46:48 <Lemon> 192 threads ;P
46:53 <Lemon> 4x24 cores cpus
47:14 <electrohead> Lemon: what my rack looks like - https://0xznc01.pw:2600/public/IMG_20241007_184217.jpg
47:29 <electrohead> well, err, normally looks like this lol - https://0xznc01.pw:2600/public/IMG_20240922_165333.jpg
47:39 <MrMobodies> Netgear POE switch?
47:41 <MrMobodies> in the middle
47:43 <Lemon> hehe thats pretty tidy !!
47:50 <electrohead> not a PoE switch
47:52 <Lemon> and you can put tons of stuff in that one, damn !
48:00 <electrohead> I got the rack for $100 USD
48:02 <electrohead> :o
48:07 <Lemon> lucky you ;p
48:14 <Lemon> I see we both have a bc rich warlock !
48:21 <electrohead> :o
48:24 <electrohead> noice!
48:29 <Lemon> mines not as fancy tho, all matte black :>
48:30 <electrohead> that's my 7 string in the background
48:51 <Lemon> and your mics looks much nicer too, mine got stock ones ! I got it like, 15 years ago ? maybe a bit more, when I was young (and still playing guitar)
48:57 <electrohead> my six string warlock originally was metallic blue, I'm in the (slow) process of restoring it completely, to matte black
49:15 <electrohead> lol
49:18 <Lemon> ha yes mine's a 6 string !
49:31 <Lemon> I like the shape, its comfy to play sitting !
49:33 <electrohead> I got big into playing metal, and has never left me
49:36 <electrohead> ^
49:38 <electrohead> so comfy
49:48 <electrohead> that 7 string is the kerry king edition
50:28 <electrohead> it's a neck thru, all mahogany (heavy af), with a kahler tremelo bridge
50:54 <electrohead> my favorite guitar is probably my 8 string, insanely fun to play on the low end
51:02 <electrohead> plus, makes it easy to play fear factory lol
51:48 <Lemon> hehe very nice, I do have kerry king edition strings funny enough ! not insanely good, but I was young and loved the box :P
51:58 <Lemon> I regret not having a tremolo on mine
52:10 <Lemon> but well, I don't play anymore... I just can't pick it up !
52:16 <Lemon> every now and then I try and can't find the patience
52:33 <Lemon> now im focusing on server stuff, as you guessed :P
53:06 <electrohead> I see that haha
53:54 <electrohead> my brain is defective, where I work on 10 things at once, don't finish anything, and start 10 new things the following day
54:20 <electrohead> so, hence why I'm doing server things right now, been wanting to get proxmox up and running for a minute
55:50 <Lemon> you pretty much defined me lol
56:19 <Lemon> I get ultra focused on something, usually don't finish any projects, and one day totally stop and switch to something else
56:27 <Lemon> sometimes I get back on it, at least I force myself to
56:56 <Lemon> like, that z440, I built it because I needed a desktop (was using a clapped out 2015 macbook) so I could finish my cyberdeck, because impossible to 3d design anything on it
57:10 <Lemon> and I started learning more about linux, networking, stable diffusion etc etc and here I am
57:21 <Lemon> looking at stuff that probably makes the city lights dim when you turn it on :>
57:27 <Ampera> https://cloud.systemtheta.net/s/S725SypNJJszEzR/preview
57:30 <MrMobodies> Lemon in the left corner of your room, is that an arcade with the foot pedal?
57:31 <Ampera> I bought a new pen! :>
57:47 <Ampera> a LAMY safari, with a fine nib
57:50 <Ampera> and it's pink too :D
57:56 <electrohead> no you're a towel
58:00 <MrMobodies> I never used a Lamy before
58:02 <Lemon> hoooo very nice !!
58:13 <MrMobodies> but nice to see you using joined up writing
58:19 <Lemon> mrmobodies its electrohead pic ! :P
58:30 <MrMobodies> I have a few pens myself, my favorite being the Parker Arrow
58:50 * electrohead noogies Ampera, makes T3sl4 film
59:03 <MrMobodies> I'll have to find them
59:06 <Lemon> thats fun because in france, we learn using only joined up writing, most people write like that !
59:18 <electrohead> MrMobodies: it's a guitar amp and head, to the left of the pdeal board
59:19 <Ampera> I have a lot of LAMY cartridges, but the pen I have is made out of this brushed metal that is rather irritating to hold.
59:22 <MrMobodies> I made some little cases for them using heatshink
59:24 <electrohead> that's what the pedal is for
59:44 <MrMobodies> aah a guitar
59:49 <steve30> Ampera, cool. I got a LAMY pen back in 2009. I haven't used it fo a while as it ran out of ink
00:05 <steve30> In fact, perhaps I'll get a new one one day
00:14 <Ampera> steve30, if you were nearer I'd give you a bunch of cartridges
00:23 <MrMobodies> I once had pen that had this shape where it hurt my fingers
00:30 <MrMobodies> but it wasn't a well known brand
00:37 <Ampera> my uncle gave me my first pen, and once my grandmother heard that I was using it so much, she gave me tons of cartridges for it.
00:52 <steve30> I have a bottle of ink in the cupboard which has lasted me since about 2011 :)
00:53 <MrMobodies> that's nice
01:04 <MrMobodies> I have some Turquise ink
01:11 <MrMobodies> One dried up on it's own
01:13 <Lemon> the pen I used the most is a gold bullet space pen, not really writing nice, but I love it
01:24 <MrMobodies> a dark black one from Parker which I never use
01:27 <Lemon> second one is a parker
01:32 <electrohead> my pen is awesome
02:36 <steve30> I just remembered I have some cool Parker mechanical pencils in the drawer
05:53 <steve30> I actually tried to improve my handwriting back in 2009
05:57 <steve30> Did quite well tbh
06:00 <MrMobodies> the sad thing I see around the pub
06:09 <steve30> but its really gone downhill in recent years
06:15 <MrMobodies> the teenagers don't know how to write properly
06:46 <MrMobodies> they don't get accepted into many places because they can't write or don't have much knowledge in maths
07:14 <MrMobodies> I don't see it as going downhill
07:23 <MrMobodies> you'd get better when you need to write
07:26 <MrMobodies> when there is a need
07:48 <MrMobodies> that's why I find with many things that get redundant attimes
10:56 * T3sl4 inks electrohead with Ampera
18:25 <electrohead> so much love
20:51 <electrohead> https://0xznc01.pw:2600/public/2024-10-07-192034_1920x1080_scrot.png
20:53 <electrohead> this is exciting
35:34 * Ampera stars crying
19:41 <MrMobodies> Really liked Proxmox when I tested it on a G7 in 2021
20:17 <MrMobodies> unfortunately due to changes in the Iommuo specifications I couldn't pass through pci stuff like I could with Vmware 5.5
20:47 <MrMobodies> for that particular model
20:50 <MrMobodies> https://i.imgur.com/UbihZmI.png
21:22 <MrMobodies> No WONDER why the ups is doing strange things when turning on the com port in virtualbox with EFI
21:32 <MrMobodies> I have seen this before but not turned on by default
21:57 <MrMobodies> I wonder, is that by mistake they made it the default.
23:02 <MrMobodies> just because I plug a serial port in it doesn't mean I want it to start outputting the console. I thought what a stupid idea to turn it on by default or am I missing something as to why.
28:09 <MrMobodies> Absolutely PISSED
28:21 <MrMobodies> after selecting F10 to save
28:39 <MrMobodies> on reset it defaults and turn the console on the serial port back on
29:03 <MrMobodies> I wonder what's the point on giving it an option if it can't be saved
33:34 <MrMobodies> if I continue, and type exit, it saves the settings
33:55 <MrMobodies> but if I type reset, it defaults
34:04 <MrMobodies> what do you think of that behaviour?
36:03 <electrohead> if you reset it, it's resetting to defaults, from the sounds of it?
36:23 <electrohead> woould make sense, anyway
38:27 <MrMobodies> no I didn't reset it to default
38:45 <MrMobodies> If I untick the box, f10 save or commit to changes
38:58 <MrMobodies> then reset, it ticks the boxes back on
39:11 <MrMobodies> https://i.imgur.com/UbihZmI.png
39:32 <MrMobodies> It is interfering with the ups and it took me a while to find out why
39:52 <electrohead> guess I read that wrong then, my bad
39:52 <MrMobodies> I attached a serial port as COM1 in the virtual machine
40:13 <MrMobodies> sorry if I don't explain well
40:25 <MrMobodies> there are other things wrong with the efi in virtualbox
40:30 <MrMobodies> on the device boot order
40:55 <MrMobodies> - (to go down) or + (to go up)
41:00 <MrMobodies> + don't work
41:28 <MrMobodies> so I have to remove other boot devices down so the I want goes to the top
41:36 <electrohead> + doesn't work? are you using the shift key?
42:59 <electrohead> or, is that a gui issue?
43:12 <MrMobodies> https://i.imgur.com/tnZ3bEF.png
43:18 <MrMobodies> See squared in red
43:23 <MrMobodies> that don't work
43:56 <MrMobodies> so when adding a new hard drive it puts it below the efi internet shall and network cards (by default)
44:08 <electrohead> that's weird
44:33 <MrMobodies> it redirects the console to the serial port when I attach it
44:42 <MrMobodies> and my ups starts playing music and that
45:01 <MrMobodies> last time it made a few beeps and went on battery
45:20 <electrohead> lol
45:22 <MrMobodies> where it said "SLOT A or Slot B" at post
45:26 <MrMobodies> so it didn't hang
45:32 <MrMobodies> it redirected the console
45:42 <MrMobodies> when a serial port is turned on
45:49 <MrMobodies> https://i.imgur.com/UbihZmI.png
45:55 <MrMobodies> when attempting to disable them
46:11 <MrMobodies> next reset and it re enabled the console through the serial port
47:14 <MrMobodies> what I am going to do is to allow it to boot to network to give me time to unset it, try then try to load to hard disk manually, then plug the serial cable into the port
50:12 <MrMobodies> managed to get it to load with the serial console switched off
50:13 <MrMobodies> https://i.imgur.com/7PecI00.png
50:36 <MrMobodies> but that means if this works I'd have to do that manually everytime I shut it down
52:04 <MrMobodies> Network UPS Tools
52:23 <MrMobodies> "No upstype set - see help text / man page!
52:23 <MrMobodies> Network UPS Tools - Generic contact-closure UPS driver 1.38 (2.8.0)
52:23 <MrMobodies> Driver failed to start (exit status=1)"
52:49 <MrMobodies> but I did set upstype
52:55 <MrMobodies> " driver: genericups upstype=2"
54:18 <MrMobodies> https://i.imgur.com/QNhRojh.png
54:26 <MrMobodies> seems like things are not working in my favour
55:05 <MrMobodies> aaah usb driver was selected
55:16 <MrMobodies> not that it'd make a difference
55:24 <MrMobodies> oops I mean port
58:27 <MrMobodies> I don't know if that is relevent or not for it starting
07:52 <flyback> hm
08:02 <flyback> did you watch tim techno's nut ups video
08:33 <flyback> https://technotim.live/posts/NUT-server-guide/
08:33 <EEVBot> [url] Network UPS Tools (NUT) Ultimate Guide | Techno Tim | technotim.live
40:26 <MrMobodies> https://i.imgur.com/NLOvyM3.png
40:30 <MrMobodies> Will do soon
40:33 <MrMobodies> check that out
40:51 <MrMobodies> you know when I said it turned on the serial port for the console and when I unset it it turns it back on
41:59 <MrMobodies> Virtualbox com port 1 -> usb to serial adaptor -> Moxa N port to ethernet -> HyperV virtualmachine Puttytel com1
42:06 <MrMobodies> so there is a bug
42:21 <flyback> oh you are using a usb to serial adaptor?
42:25 <flyback> that might be the issue
42:35 <MrMobodies> I got it working for the APC 750 which is USB
42:44 <MrMobodies> but I was looking at this driver
43:28 <MrMobodies> Back-UPS
43:29 <MrMobodies> 940-0020B/C cables	genericups upstype=2
44:02 <flyback> if that's using dumb signalling
44:05 <flyback> and it probably is
44:20 <flyback> I doubt many usb to serial adaptors will work
44:23 <MrMobodies> https://i.imgur.com/xNS1Qme.png
44:26 <MrMobodies> aaah
44:26 <flyback> unless they support all the serial pins
44:32 <MrMobodies> what I did
44:35 <flyback> cause it doesn't use tx and rx
44:41 <flyback> it uses the other pins to signal state
44:43 <MrMobodies> aaah
44:53 <MrMobodies> I mounted the serial port, not the adaptor
45:16 <MrMobodies> now what you makes sense if it is missing the pins
45:44 <flyback> yuo can get some pci-e cards for $10-$20 if you look
45:49 <flyback> serial cards
46:04 <MrMobodies> this is a minipc an M92 BUT i did install a serial port
46:09 <flyback> is it a back ups or back ups pro
46:14 <MrMobodies> which another UPS is connected to
46:35 <MrMobodies> SC620
46:45 <MrMobodies> and the other which is similar
46:59 <flyback> old backups with dumb signalling will probably need a real serial port or a usb to serial cable confirmed to be proper rs232 not half ass
47:13 <MrMobodies> backups pro 650
47:21 <flyback> pro will use smart signalling
47:24 <flyback> rx and tx
47:28 <flyback> anything should work with that
47:33 <flyback> even cheapest usb to serial
47:42 <flyback> so many put that one on the usb to serial
47:48 <flyback> and put the dumb one on the real serial port
47:55 <flyback> ugh this laptop screen is dying
48:30 <MrMobodies> what I will do, I will disconnect the other UPS from the onboard serial port, mount it to virtualbox, and test it to see if that is the case
48:38 <MrMobodies> just need to find a lead long enough to reach
48:52 <MrMobodies> if it works then I can work from there
49:12 <MrMobodies> I mean in virtualbox
49:16 <flyback> yep
54:19 <flyback> dumb signally kinda sucks
54:32 <flyback> but it does have one advantage when used with some non pc stuff
54:46 <flyback> you can just use the pins to trigger gpio like on a arduino etc
55:06 <flyback> doesn't need a communication stack etc
55:16 <flyback> just can have the battery low pin trigger a shutdown
58:29 <MrMobodies> what i have to do now is capture ha hardware info without the serial port attached
58:37 <MrMobodies> then with it attached
58:56 <MrMobodies> there are many serial ports one labelled clock
59:03 <MrMobodies> and two without any name
59:45 <MrMobodies> on serial 8250 it could either be ttyS2 or ttyS3
00:43 <MrMobodies> so the word "SMART" goes back many decades
00:58 <flyback> backups pro = smart ups with sinewave disabled
00:59 <MrMobodies> with nonsense attached to it
00:59 <flyback> basically
01:11 <MrMobodies> aah and the sc 620
01:42 <MrMobodies> I was told that was a modified sine wave by the seller in 2020 and the battery was only a year old for about £40
01:56 <MrMobodies> and it did work up until early 2023 when the battery gave out
06:37 <flyback> sc = all non sinewave
06:47 <flyback> modified sine = non sinewave
06:54 <flyback> its just marketing bullshit
12:32 <MrMobodies> just like this one
12:33 <MrMobodies> https://www.apc.com/uk/en/product/SC620I/apc-smartups-sc-620va-230v/
12:49 <MrMobodies> " intelligent and efficient network power protection offer from entry-level to scalable runtime. This 620VA/390W line-interactive UPS provides pure sine wave power to support critical electronics during power disruptions"
13:30 <MrMobodies> Buzzwords: scalable, intelligent, efficient, entry level, critical
13:54 <MrMobodies> maybe they made a mistake on there
14:11 <MrMobodies> that's suppose to be a modified sine wave
36:44 Quit: Nothing\ ([email protected]) Quit: Leaving
46:52 <MrMobodies> got it working
46:53 <MrMobodies> https://i.imgur.com/ZG4aAyX.png
47:04 <MrMobodies> with the sc620
47:27 <MrMobodies> usin the apcsmart driver on tty3
48:01 <MrMobodies> a lot of AGGRAVATION with all sorts of things in the way
48:10 <MrMobodies> 5 hours I spent on thsi
49:43 <MrMobodies> next step if take out the usb serials and mount the serials on those
50:08 <MrMobodies> but not by the usb adaptor itself in the virtualbox
50:27 <MrMobodies> aah nonononon can't do that
50:51 <MrMobodies> the bug will output the console to the UPS and it will starting singing and dancing aain
51:17 <MrMobodies> so I will have to try them and I have a few lying around
51:28 <MrMobodies> but I am pleased that I found it works
03:14 <MrMobodies> the sensors seems to differ and some don't exist
03:15 <MrMobodies> https://i.imgur.com/UJ8nuQK.png
03:20 <MrMobodies> so that seems to work
04:31 <MrMobodies> in one way I m pleasedd
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21:46 <Halcyon> Afternoon spirit level bubbles
26:18 <MrMobodies> I got a response back from SKY Hynix after replying with Nomina Animals quote
26:45 <MrMobodies> https://i.imgur.com/PwMEsK5.jpeg
26:58 <MrMobodies> " Unfortunately, the Amazon product page has certain limitations that prevent us from providing all the necessary details regarding the product and its warranty"
27:28 <MrMobodies> I wonder why, is it because they are not allowed to under law or their terms and conditions with Amazon.
27:37 <MrMobodies> So later or tomorrow I'd give them a call
28:12 <MrMobodies> a report has already been filed to the Trading Standards through the Citizens Beauro advice
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58:48 <MrMobodies> Got it working with a Profolic usb to serial converter
58:59 <MrMobodies> "/dev/ttyUSB0"
59:25 <MrMobodies> I did that without quotes and nothing happened
59:29 <MrMobodies> on this IRC
59:49 <MrMobodies> Aah "[05:58] DEV/TTYUSB0 Unknown command"
00:09 <MrMobodies> next step is to try their remote tools
01:22 <Nothing\> mmmm
01:30 <Nothing\> strawberries and cream dr pepper
01:35 <Nothing\> sugar-free, too
02:14 <Nothing\> which is good cuz my insulin's doing fuckall tonight. Funny considering it almost killed me 5 times last night
02:24 <Nothing\> or was that the night before i don't remember
02:53 <Nothing\> at least it's easily fixable when you overdo it
03:51 <MrMobodies> I'll see how that does, I am so pleased I can do away with that annoying Schneider enterprise thing that shuts down the virtual machines
03:57 <MrMobodies> on the slightest power cut
12:36 <Nothing\> i've been playing with polarimetry lately. To great joy.
13:33 <MrMobodies> Unfortunately I can't find the events when it is on battery
13:36 <MrMobodies> I just see this "{"message":"Event nut.ups_event fired."}Network UPS Tools upsmon 2.8.0
13:36 <MrMobodies> {"message":"Event nut.ups_event fired."}Network UPS Tools upsmon 2.8.0"
14:09 <MrMobodies> Polariemtry never heard of that before
14:27 <MrMobodies> interesting: Polarimetry is the measurement and interpretation of the polarization of transverse waves
14:30 <Nothing\> you can do some amazing microscopic photography with it
14:50 <Nothing\> it also lets you see points of stress in transparent things like glass or plastic
16:43 <Nothing\> https://blog.microscopeworld.com/2015/09/citric-acid-under-polarizing-microscope.html
16:43 <EEVBot> [url] Microscope World Blog: Citric Acid under Polarizing Microscope | blog.microscopeworld.com
17:45 <MrMobodies> https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg4R4uJufXRW1y_Ud9cYTCnGvlZThJJqQuj4joZV168NSeQLuR4byWbsIMXUhX2mB7ZIEdXGSxcQr8wu1WyU6XFs7DBD0sInr6p5blcodJ0StNLaDVnBXXWQPfVwnuNZv_iIweP6ZkFscA/s640/Jan_Citric_Acid.jpg
17:54 <MrMobodies> Now that looks almost as pretty as a flower.
21:05 <Nothing\> yeh i've gotta figure out how to do it with a microscope like that. But I'm goetting there
23:59 <MrMobodies> got to sleep night
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40:25 <K> https://www.youtube.com/shorts/2PZx9ZMXpU0?feature=share
40:26 <EEVBot> [YouTube] ⁨Ich glaube das hat dem Server jetzt nicht so gefallen 😅 #hp #server #homelab #fyp #network #retro⁩ | 10s | Channel: ⁨Bastelbude⁩ | 192,523 views | 2024-10-02 - 18:35:53 UTC
04:50 <Ampera> PLEASE
04:50 <Ampera> I BEG YOU
04:50 <Ampera> STOP
04:50 <Ampera> hey Nothing\ what's up
04:50 <rust_collector> that is not a question, so it is fine
04:50 <Nothing\> no sparks or even measurable voltage. Maybe it bleeds off too fast to read. I get a capacitance of maybe 22pf which doesn't seem right. Especially if no voltage.
04:50 <Nothing\> heya ampy-poo
04:50 <Nothing\> rust_collector, okay, what am i doing wrong?
04:50 <Nothing\> in this case specifically =P
04:50 <rust_collector> well, probably making a thing you do not know how to make
04:50 <Nothing\> i know how to make leyden jars
04:50 <rust_collector> well, then why does it not work?
04:50 <rust_collector> you say you know how to make them....
04:50 <Nothing\> i figure either the glass of the jar is too thick, or the foil isn't flat on the glass
04:50 <Ampera> Maybe the jar is simply intimidated by your handsome manliness
04:50 <rust_collector> that is an option
04:50 <rust_collector> but, how are you charging it?
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04:50 <Halcyon> Morning espressos
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40:15 <K> u wot
43:24 * Ampera hugs Halcyon
43:25 <Ampera> wazzup
43:48 <Halcyon> Nerfin
44:07 <Halcyon> House/dog sitting for friends in Canberra at the moment. Outside of my creature comforts
44:12 <Halcyon> How are you?
44:49 <Ampera> I feel rather lousy today, but I'm holding on.
45:09 <Ampera> Mostly just doing work. Going to go to the store later to get the ingredients for miso soup and to maybe make some bao
45:12 <Halcyon> Lousy as in sick, or down?
45:25 <Ampera> sure
45:40 <Ampera> I've got this really bizarre taste in the back of my mouth and it's pretty strong
45:44 <Ampera> idk what it is, I've had it for a few days already
45:53 <Halcyon> What's it taste like?
47:28 <Ampera> I'm not really sure
47:37 <Ampera> it doesn't taste like getting sick, it's different
47:54 <Ampera> maybe it's a slightly metalic almost blood like taste?
47:56 <Ampera> but not quite
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52:52 <Halcyon> Hm.
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12:00 <steve30> damn linux graphics drivers
12:24 <Ampera> steve30, nvidia?
12:42 <rust_collector> sis?
13:33 <steve30> yes
14:07 <Ampera> steve30, depending on what you're doing, nouveau has gotten a lot better recently. It's still far from perfect, but it may be worth a look.
15:22 <steve30> I decided to update to Davinci 19, and it turns out it needs newer nvidia drivers than i had installed, and i think the ones in the debian nonfree repo are too old so i'm trying to bypass the debian version and install the new version from the nvidia website
16:23 <Ampera> ahhh
16:28 <Ampera> then nouveau won't help you there
17:23 <steve30> yeah, davinci seems quite fussy about its nvidia drivers
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37:47 <steve30> yay
37:49 <steve30> seems to work
38:02 * Ampera pets steve30
47:27 <K> !coffee steve30
47:27 * EEVBot drowns steve30 in coffee
48:06 * electrohead films
52:01 <K> r u a towel?
56:50 <electrohead> ja, das ist richtig :/
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