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38:19 <Ampera> TIL copper drain pipe exists
38:27 <Ampera> that sounds like the most expensive idea ever
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49:42 <Kuschelpony> ampera, have you never seen diamond heathsinks for electronics?
49:59 <Kuschelpony> your copper pipe is cheap stuff
50:08 <Ampera> Diamond isn't necessarily expensive depending on grade and quality
50:19 <Ampera> ic diamond is a somewhat common thermal compound.
50:41 <Kuschelpony> oh i have seen heatsinks with fins that were milled from diamond
51:00 <Ampera> makes sense to me at least
51:07 <Ampera> copper drain pipe doesn't when PVC is so common and standard
51:07 <Kuschelpony> pretty for people who have insane amounts of money to spent for below-average music amplifiers
52:58 <DHess_US> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/8xl7JoPm/image.png
54:40 <Ampera> lookin cute DHess_US
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12:49 <coppice> copper pipe is so low class. all the good heatsinks are diamond coated silver, with a gold flash to keep the silver from blackening
14:02 <DHess_US> The amusing part is that a heat pipe is practically a superconductor compared to the best materials.
26:27 <coppice> of course the diamond coated silver is in tubular form, as a heat pipe
27:34 <coppice> the main tube of a heat pipe doesn't matter much. its the end bits that make contact that matter. Does anyone make heatpipes with exotic ends and a cheap central section?
30:03 <Ampera> they make crack pipes like that.
39:15 <DHess_US> No, I don't think anybody makes a heat pipe like that.
39:31 <coppice> Ampera: do you mean hybrid materials, or diamond coated silver?
39:43 <DHess_US> It would require a hermetic connection between materials.
40:02 <Ampera> nah, I mean a pipe with something exotic at each end
40:12 <DHess_US> So you could definitely do it, but then you also face the problems of galvanic corrosion.
40:27 <DHess_US> Often a heat spreader is attached at the hot end.
40:32 <coppice> DHess_US: that limits your choice of materials, but doesn't prevent it being done
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41:03 <DHess_US> coppice, but none of the candidate mixed materials are advantageous for cost.
41:26 <coppice> all heat pipes steadily degrade
41:40 <DHess_US> No they don't. Why would they?
42:11 <DHess_US> Typical heat pipes just use water. Some use alcohol. High temperature ones use sodium.
42:12 <coppice> DHess_US: the internal flows are a mechanical process, with all the issues that brings over time
42:43 <DHess_US> I'm dubious. I would need a citation for that.
43:02 <coppice> The heat pipes I have seen detailed specs for include a operating life figure
49:43 <DHess_US> I'm reading and the only discussion of wearout is with special applications where incompatible materials must be used. Oh, and you can't use aluminum with water under any condition.
52:56 <coppice> Its years since I considered heat pipes, but I remember lifetime figures. They were a few years, so in consumer applications it was irrelevant, but for 24x7 systems it could an issue. I also read things about gradual internal changes happening.
56:34 <arch> what ya guys think of my separate inductors sepic power stage layout? good, bad, any potential improvements? note that i added a slit on the output side after the two output caps; apparently this should reduce noise by forcing more AC currents through the former 2 caps: https://imgur.com/a/it4fiH7
56:34 <EEVBot> [Title] - Separate inductors SEPIC layout (5V-9V in -- 12V out) - Album on Imgur
11:00 <DHess_US> coppice, the reliability data I found is based on manufacturing defects and then environmental effects. No wearout mechanism is identified or it would include criteria.
23:15 <coppice> DHess_US: Interesting
40:24 <jaymax> \o_
46:32 <DHess_US> coppice, https://www.1-act.com/resources/heat-pipe-resources/materials/life-tests/
46:33 <EEVBot> [Title] - Heat Pipe Life Tests | Heat Pipe Technology
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57:49 <Nothing\> dammit
57:55 <Nothing\> now i want a 4 channel function gen
58:06 <Nothing\> i was just thinking if i had 3 channels i could play around with 3 phase power
58:21 <Nothing\> i mean low amounts of it but still
58:53 <Kuschelpony> two channels are enough with some tricks
59:03 <Nothing\> i imagine you can just program a phase offset of 120 degrees per channel and connect it up to a delta or Y setup
59:10 <Kuschelpony> right
59:16 <Nothing\> Kuschelpony, yeah i know home power in north america is 2 phase
59:18 <Kuschelpony> or 60 degrees in a V
59:21 <Nothing\> so we actually DO use 240v
59:25 <Nothing\> it's just split into 2 phases
59:40 <Kuschelpony> nope its not two phase but split phase, thats a major difference
00:01 <Kuschelpony> and well i know all the mains voltages that americans have
00:10 <Kuschelpony> 120 208 240 277 and 480v
00:18 <Nothing\> Kuschelpony, is it? admittedly i got the info from electroboom
00:36 <Kuschelpony> its very common mislabeled
00:42 <Nothing\> i can see that
01:10 <Kuschelpony> if you would get true twophase with 90° the phase-phase voltage would be 120V*1,41
01:15 <Nothing\> it's one of those technical terms that sounds like it's the same thing but there's a subtle difference that only somebody well versed in the matter would be able to pick out, much less explain
02:36 <Kuschelpony> well i had elsewhere many discussions explaining why a polyphase motor can run on true 2-phase just the same way as on threephase, but never (without capacitors or other auxiliary stuff) on "two"phase 240v
02:56 <Nothing\> interesting
03:18 <Nothing\> because i was thinking i would like to try running a 3 phase motor if a low power 3 phase motor even exists lol
03:33 <Nothing\> seems weird, a 3 phase motor that runs on like 5v
03:39 <Kuschelpony> we have the same kind of word confusing for decades here between "Nulleiter" (that is neutral and PE in one conductor - dangerous) and "Neutralleiter" (thats the real neutral)
03:41 <Nothing\> it's like, why?
04:00 <Kuschelpony> i know threepahse motors for 3v 50mA
04:08 <Nothing\> that would be confusing lol
04:12 <Kuschelpony> hmm what do you mean?
04:13 <Nothing\> oh really
04:16 <Kuschelpony> yes
04:24 <Kuschelpony> sony walkmans used them
04:39 <Nothing\> Kuschelpony, well i always associated 3 phase motors with industrial applications so i always imagine these big beefy things
04:42 <Kuschelpony> if i remember correcty they were a step before real BLDC
04:59 <Nothing\> hey i've still got a sony walkman
05:02 <Nothing\> still works, too
05:09 <Kuschelpony> never had to do much with their circuits, just replacng the rubber bets
05:15 <Nothing\> one of those clamshell style yellow ones that's water resistant
05:28 <Kuschelpony> perhaps it has just this threephase motor inside :)
05:40 <Nothing\> see now that's really weird
05:46 <Nothing\> a 3 phase motor running off of batteries
05:56 <Nothing\> there's gotta be a good reason for it
05:57 <Kuschelpony> my ex-car also had one
06:15 <Kuschelpony> yes more reliabe and no commutation noise
06:20 <Nothing\> i mean the reason i always hear cited for using 3 phase is fewer conductors but in a portable application i couldn't see that being an issue
06:34 <Nothing\> unless you're using some platinum group conductor or special alloy
06:44 <Nothing\> ah okay
06:46 <Kuschelpony> "fewer conductors" id only one specific outcome of a generally much more favorable configuration
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07:11 <Nothing\> yeah i guess there would be noise when the... oh i dunno the term, when the rotor's between the magnets
07:15 <Nothing\> going from one field to the next
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07:25 <Nothing\> would probably cause subtle changes in speed
07:28 <Kuschelpony> when the brushes go from one commutator segment to the next
07:35 <Nothing\> oh yeah that too
07:38 <Kuschelpony> thats literally giving tiny sparks
08:00 <Nothing\> couldn't they make the brush wider so it briefly contacts both commutator segments at the same time? Or would that be like shorting it out?
08:06 <Nothing\> i can't imagine one in my head atm
08:20 <Nothing\> i haven't really read up on motors actually. I really should.
08:22 <Kuschelpony> it does contact always two on commutaing else the motor would have dead spots
08:44 <Nothing\> ah okay
08:50 <Kuschelpony> in motors with very large number of segments the brushes often bridge more than two segemnts all thetime
08:55 <Nothing\> so it's just a problem that's inherent to the design
08:58 <Nothing\> no getting around it
09:33 <Kuschelpony> yes, in the moment the segemnt rotates away from under the brush, its practically impossible to have exactly zero current, except for something very very very fine tuned to a specific speed and load
09:59 <Kuschelpony> so you always break some little current through the coild generating sparks
10:25 <Kuschelpony> decades of brilliant people worked out the detaisl to minimze this to have big industrial motors beeing possible at all
10:44 <Nothing\> hrm that's interesting then that the brushes are carbon, i imagine that would make them more resistant to damage from the arcing
10:50 <Kuschelpony> i have descriptons of very early machines from the 1870s where the commutator sprks were compared with gunfire
11:01 <Nothing\> although i guess the commutator can still be damaged
11:22 <Nothing\> i'm just thinking of the buildup of carbon reducing resistance in a spot and creating more arcing etc
11:28 <Kuschelpony> the carbon aids in having a more gradual cut off from the increasing resistance when the segments only vocer a tine fraction of the edge
11:43 <Nothing\> ah
11:46 <Kuschelpony> low voltage motors often used pure metal brushes
11:54 <Kuschelpony> often literally metal brushes
12:13 <Kuschelpony> all the small motors in wlakmans, cd players, dvd players etc. have them
12:41 <Nothing\> heh it seems like those are the most plentiful thing i find whenever i tear things down
12:53 <Nothing\> at least in terms of anything of any value or use
13:34 <Nothing\> i musta found like half a dozen in an old scanner lol
13:48 <Kuschelpony> some crazy thing, i have recently salvaged a brushed dc fan rated for 12v that actualy runs as low as 0,5v
13:53 <Nothing\> and photodiodes for indexing
13:56 <Nothing\> some steppers too
14:08 <Kuschelpony> yes
14:21 <Nothing\> wow
14:51 <Nothing\> i found a similar thing with LEDs. That a white LED will light up perceptibly, though very dimly, as low as 1-2na
14:59 <Nothing\> as long as you have enough voltage
15:01 <Kuschelpony> yep known
15:48 <Nothing\> found it out when i put my body in series with a 9v and an LED. Didn't expect it to come on. Just goes to show how crazy efficient they are.
16:38 <Nothing\> you know it's kind of neat to think that we lived during a time when incandescent bulbs were used
16:38 <Kuschelpony> right, they even light brght at something 100µA
16:52 <Kuschelpony> i remember them very well from the 8s and 90s
17:00 <Nothing\> because that little 150 year period or so is going to be the only time in the whole of human history that we'll ever use them
17:15 <Kuschelpony> always only that orange-ish light and heating the room awful
17:20 <Nothing\> we're the only humans who have ever existed who have or will have ever used an incandescent light
17:28 <Nothing\> i liked the light from them
17:37 <Kuschelpony> candles and bonfires will persist :)
17:38 <Nothing\> the LED ones i get now give off this sickly yellow light
17:52 <Kuschelpony> oh i always buy neutral 4000k white
18:00 <Nothing\> but you get a colder temp and it's just sterile and white
18:07 <Nothing\> feels like a doctor's office
18:14 <Nothing\> hey
18:20 <Nothing\> maybe if i use one of each in a lamp
18:37 <Nothing\> get a lamp with 2 sockets and put one light of each type in and then turn them both on
19:09 <Nothing\> lol i get the sense it wouldn't work that easy. Maybe if i put some sort of softening filter on it.
19:56 <Nothing\> actually you know what color the yellow reminds me of. It reminds me of sodium lamps almost.
20:03 <Kuschelpony> i always jad a desire for a more neutral white, not the 6500k cold daylight bu surely more neutral than the 2700k incandescent orange
20:29 <Kuschelpony> oh well sodium has a much more intense orange, we still use many of them around
20:33 <Nothing\> i'm not even sure what these are
20:40 <Nothing\> 3000 something
20:41 <Kuschelpony> what?
20:48 <Nothing\> the color temp of my lights
20:55 <Kuschelpony> you mean sodium lapmps? or what?
21:03 <Nothing\> no no just my regular led lights
21:18 <Nothing\> but they give off a yellow color almost like sodium lamps. That's almost the same color of it.
21:37 <Nothing\> except it doesn't screw with the color of everything heh. You ever notice how sodium lamps mess up the color of everything?
21:43 <Nothing\> grass doesn't look green at all
21:53 <Kuschelpony> ok, likely an attempt to mimic 2700k incandescent, i know many that have an olive greenish yellow
22:02 <Nothing\> i'd go insane if my house was lit with sodium lamps
22:07 <Nothing\> they actually use that as a form of torture
22:28 <Kuschelpony> hihi i misplaced my "for fun" ow pressure sodium vapour lamp 20 years ago
22:44 * electrohead bops in with foods
22:51 <Nothing\> this guy who was forced into being saddam hussein's body double was tortured beforehand and they stuck him in this 1 square meter closet with a bright red light turned on 24 hours a day for something like a week
23:01 <Kuschelpony> with this lighting the room, after a while the brain stopped seeing it yellow, everything faded in true grayscale
23:13 <Nothing\> so sodium lamps could actually be used to torture someone
23:20 <Kuschelpony> i meant with low pressure sodium vapour
23:44 <Kuschelpony> i dont want to try... just say that i made several funny vision experiemnts over the decades
24:10 <Nothing\> ah
24:34 <Nothing\> oh man my mum has these xmas lights in her room with a half wave rectifier in them
24:42 <Kuschelpony> at least my brain could adapt very well to them
24:46 <Nothing\> it makes me nauseous every time i look at them i feel like i'm gonna have a seizure
24:48 <Kuschelpony> ouch that flicker
24:51 <Nothing\> i couldn't imagine at 50hz
25:05 <Nothing\> lol she can't see it so i told her she can have them
25:48 <Nothing\> actually it's not even half wave rectified (purposely)
25:56 <Nothing\> they just used the LEDs as rectifiers
26:05 <Nothing\> and resistance
26:07 <Nothing\> lol
28:00 <Nothing\> oh shit tomorrow's the 9th
28:17 <Nothing\> they suspect russia's planning something big for the 9th
28:37 <Nothing\> because it's a big political holiday there. The celebration of their victory over Nazi Germany.
28:46 <Kuschelpony> nuke boom ahead...
28:57 <Nothing\> i think putin would use chemicalweapons before tactical nukes
29:22 <Nothing\> but i have always wondered what NATO's response would be if he used a tactical nuke. Something <1kt just enough to take out a few city blocks or something.
29:34 <Nothing\> which is what they figure he'd be most likely to use IF he used nukes.
29:48 <Nothing\> so they've obviously been thinking about it too.
29:56 <Kuschelpony> i prefer to not speculate about this, but to enjoy life as long as i can
30:12 <Nothing\> heh i don't think this'll bring about WWIII
30:30 <Nothing\> but yeah, no point worrying unless i'm in a position of power where i can do something about it
30:52 <Nothing\> or unless i can go fight or serve in Ukraine personally. Which I would do if I had the resources and health for it.
31:14 <Nothing\> not front line stuff. Maybe help out with food or supplies and stuff like that.
31:45 <Nothing\> medical help. I have a great deal of medical knowledge that would probably be useful after some brief training.
31:51 <Kuschelpony> im focussing to arrange my weekend journey to wuppertal
32:02 <Kuschelpony> and to buy a bit more stuff for projects
32:06 <Nothing\> oh yeah, when are you doing that?
32:21 <Nothing\> i've gotta say i'm jealous
32:28 <Nothing\> wuppertal looks like a beautiful city.
32:36 <Nothing\> hell, all German cities are beautiful.
32:49 <Nothing\> right down to your most quaint hamlets
33:01 <Kuschelpony> right the coming weekend
33:25 <Kuschelpony> its again a 5 hour drive, plus more on saturday to visit the shop i primarily want
33:33 <Nothing\> huh i think that's our victoria day weekend. Which is the long weekend Canadians ring in the spring/summer with
33:35 <Nothing\> the warm weather
33:38 <Kuschelpony> but got only a hotel in Wuppertal
34:13 <Nothing\> we call it may 2-4 because a case of beer is referred to as a 2-4 (24 beers) and it usually occurs near the 24th and it's just an excuse to light off fireworks and get drunk
34:27 <Nothing\> but it's just another day for me
34:36 <Nothing\> and a terrifying weekend of noises for the kitties
34:37 <Nothing\> lol
35:07 <Nothing\> my one cat's ridiculous. He's like 3.5 feet long, over 20lbs but he runs the second he hears any loud noises outside
35:35 <Nothing\> hell i had him jumping the other day and he was jumping almost 2 meters up
37:42 <Nothing\> huh i just had an interesting thought
37:50 <Kuschelpony> yes?
38:24 <Nothing\> i wonder if one reason or side effect maybe of trees dropping their leaves in the fall would be to act as compost for the next generation of seeds they would have dropped beforehand
38:42 <Nothing\> they sit all winter and compost and all of the nutrients that were in the tree are now in the ground for the seedlings
39:22 <Kuschelpony> good question
39:30 <Nothing\> i've heard a theory that brambles are actually partly carnivorous. That they form the way they do to trap sheep and other large animals, which eventually die and then the corpse provides nutrients for the plant.
40:47 <Nothing\> or that first bit's probably how woodlands start out and develop
41:18 <Nothing\> the combination of litter from all of the trees leaves the forest floor rich with nutrients and allows other plants to grow in the lower light
41:22 * Nothing\ shrugs
41:31 <Nothing\> i'm thinking out loud so i must be bored
43:49 <Kuschelpony> sorry for me getting slower, i need to sleep soon
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34:00 <Nothing\> that's okay i've been doing other things
34:16 <Nothing\> i was just thinking i can finally make a full bridge rectifier + filter now
34:40 <Nothing\> i always wanted to make one but the tutorials never tell you any details about what transformer to use they just say some generic step down transformer
35:51 <Nothing\> then i'd go to look for one and there are like a million different transformers for mains. And I know there's more to a transformer than the winding ratio and inductance so i had no idea what to look for
36:13 <Nothing\> plus you look for step down transformers and 99% of the results will be european to american outlet converters
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26:12 <Ysjoelfir> heh
26:35 <Ysjoelfir> so I was digging through my stash, in search for a spare micro SD to use in my raspi.
26:59 <Ysjoelfir> lucky me found one, put it into the PC, formatted it, wanted to install the image.... and it said it is too small
27:06 <Ysjoelfir> checked: oh. 128MB
27:42 <rust_collector> harr harr harr
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36:14 <DHess_US> I put a camera in my kitchen so I can watch the stove and microwave so I don't burn the house down.
45:17 <Ampera> inb4 stream freezes and exactly what you said happens
58:53 * jaymax freezes Murphy's law
21:44 * Ampera pets the canadian
21:47 <Ampera> how are you doing jaymax
29:37 <jaymax> Freezing my tits off
29:43 <Ampera> lucky
29:46 <Ampera> it's starting to get tepid here
30:04 <jaymax> Gonna miss these tiddies
30:05 <Ampera> anything over 60F and I'm unhappy
30:10 <Ampera> can I have them?
30:42 * jaymax slings witches teets to Ampera 
30:47 <Ampera> \o/
31:17 <jaymax> Just uhhh, don't make wishes around them.
31:27 <Ampera> lol, you wish
31:39 <jaymax> .....monkeys pawwww.....
32:21 <Ampera> I am procrastinating
32:29 <Ampera> I should really be setting up a mailserver
32:38 <Ampera> but not doing work is a lot easier
33:14 <jaymax> I should be turning the heat pump back on and then get ready for sleep.
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40:21 <Ampera> https://i.imgur.com/TnBJWjG.png
40:30 <Ampera> what the fuck even is that question, and the answer too
40:55 <Ampera> I'm not sure which is weirder, sharpening a scythe with a hammer, or a file
51:20 <DHess_US> Victory ... day ... salad ... https://twitter.com/DrJadeMcGlynn/status/1523396790338596864
52:16 <Ampera> thanks, that's the worst thing I've seen all day
52:18 <Ampera> and I own a mirror
53:35 <DHess_US> The grocer here now has 2 freezers filled with "plant based" meat.
54:30 <Ampera> don't knock it
54:38 <Ampera> if you could sell soybean for 1000% markup, you would
55:10 <Ampera> hrm, maybe I should get some burger king one of these days
55:17 <Ampera> I haven't actually had a hamburger in maybe a year
56:15 <DHess_US> I had a Hardees burger not long ago. It was delicious.
56:30 <Ampera> what's hardees
56:53 <DHess_US> It is what Carl's Junior turned into. Same thing.
57:01 <jaymax> I want to give a special shout-out to all the MILFs out there tonight. You know who you are. Probably not in this chat. :^D
57:02 <Ampera> I've never heard of that either
57:18 <DHess_US> https://www.hardees.com/
57:19 <Ampera> jaymax, just impregnate me and I'll be as milf as you need me to be.
57:19 <EEVBot> [Title] - 403 Forbidden
57:37 <Ampera> DHess_US, I'm half-joking. We don't have those here, but I have heard of them.
57:43 <Ampera> never been to one
57:48 <jaymax> Ampera: that'll be time consuming
57:55 <jaymax> Hard pass
57:57 <Ampera> the only vaguely non-mainstream burger joint we have here is five guys
58:04 <Ampera> which are pretty good
58:18 <jaymax> But emphasis on "hard" <3
58:23 <Ampera> <3
58:40 <DHess_US> Yea, we have 5 guys here but I've never been.
58:51 <Ampera> everything tastes like peanuts and diabetes.
59:00 <Ampera> their fries are incredible
59:19 <Ampera> but if you have anything resembling a peanut allergy, you would spontaneously combust just entering the front door
00:31 <jaymax> Not burgers but Popeye's opened their doors over a month ago in the suburbs, and the streets are still clogged by drive-through queues. People are stupid.
00:44 <Ampera> Popeyes is easily the best fried chicken chain
00:57 <Ampera> Every single KFC I have ever been in, in the united states, has been fucking disgusting
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01:02 <Ampera> and their prices are probably even worse
01:11 * Ampera kisses arch 
01:18 <arch> eww, get away from me
01:27 <Ampera> shut up slut
01:32 <arch> :3
01:36 <Ampera> how are you doing arch
01:44 <arch> so far so good i suppose
01:53 <jaymax> Nothing goes well above the border so its just a price-pointed KFC clone here.
01:56 <arch> the existential dread comes and goes
02:13 <Ampera> We have a lot of arabian fried chicken here, which can actually be pretty decent
02:27 <Ampera> it's sort of like chinese fried chicken, if that term means anything to you
02:45 <jaymax> Somewhat
02:47 <Ampera> it's sorta like NY style pizza, it's a concept, but everywhere does it slightly different
02:59 <Ampera> arch, the easy way to stop that is to simply stop existing
03:04 <Ampera> I no longer exist, and I'm doing great
03:39 <jaymax> From my experience with roach coaches, deep frying in lard is the long lost secret.
03:49 <Ampera> we really don't have food trucks here
03:58 <Ampera> like, we do, but they're quite new and small
04:02 <DHess_US> Lee's chicken isn't bad, but is still basically the same as kfc.
04:13 <Ampera> KFC is good, but they're just too damn expensive
04:16 <Ampera> and their sides are awful
04:22 <Ampera> and are really just a crapshoot
04:39 <jaymax> Do you get Mary Brown's?
04:40 <Ampera> I have no idea why the majority of their restaurants, at least in my area, are just shitholes.
04:46 <Ampera> no clue what that is
04:49 <Ampera> fr this time
05:00 <jaymax> I'd say no, then.
05:04 <Ampera> Popeyes and KFC are the only fried chicken chains, really
05:11 <Ampera> unless you count something like boston market or cracker barrel I guess
05:15 <DHess_US> Popeyes always seems too greasy to me.
05:29 <jaymax> It's the veg oil
05:30 <Ampera> I sorta kinda grew up having them often
05:36 <Ampera> so to me, it's just normal and good
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15:27 <Nothing\> man, i think we missed spring
16:03 <Nothing\> we went from temps around 10c during the day and apparently now it's going to be in the mid 20s for the next couple of weeks at least
16:18 <Nothing\> that's a hell of a jump all of a sudden
16:45 <Nothing\> it'll be nice though. I'm sick of wearing my winter jacket in May.
19:12 <jaymax> Felt like 4C today - booming 18C high yesterday - but I guess I'll see 20's in a couple days if Boston weather doesn't get in the way.
20:43 <Nothing\> 18 would be nice
20:47 <Nothing\> 25 is too warm
21:48 <Nothing\> i like it right around 21-22 with sun and no wind, and you can't tell any difference in temperature between inside and outside.
21:53 <jaymax> Nothing\: Maritime weather has always been the guessing game of "will we get what New England just got or what the Great Lakes just got?"
22:07 <Nothing\> are the summers humid there?
22:14 <DHess_US> Spring here was this weekend.
23:06 <Nothing\> DHess_US, this coming weekend is a holiday weekend that canadians usually use to ring in the spring season. Go camping, get drunk and light fireworks.
23:44 <jaymax> Yes - especially into hurricane season as the prevailing weather effects are what comes up the Atlantic coast (instead of what the cross-Canada jet stream pushes along).
23:44 <Nothing\> not exactly my thing but i suppose the fireworks are nice
24:57 <Nothing\> jaymax, how many hurricanes or tropical storms have made it up your way? I can't recall how many tropical storms but i know the last hurricane we had was Hazel back some time in the 50's but i'd imagine further on the coast you'd get more leftovers from hurricanes
25:02 <jaymax> Although, that time of year the jet stream dips way down into Tennesee
25:33 <Nothing\> i mean i'm sure you get lots of tropical depressions and lows leftover from tropical cyclones but how often does an actual hurricane make it up there
26:12 <Nothing\> seems every couple of years we get a tropical depression that makes its way up here
26:14 <jaymax> 80% of all named storms, but an additional 80% of those are weakened post-tropical by the time they hit us.
26:28 <Nothing\> ah that's what i figured
26:46 * Nothing\ checks the latitude of halifax
27:14 <Nothing\> 44 north not bad
27:20 <Nothing\> we're like 41 here
27:22 <jaymax> For me to spitball Manhattan stats, it'd be 85% and 70%
27:30 <jaymax> ...respectively.
27:48 <Nothing\> i remember living on lake huron, the water was so cold. It was only warm enough to swim in about 4 weeks out of the year.
27:57 <Nothing\> or to swim in COMFORTABLY.
28:14 <Nothing\> i dunno how that works with the ocean though.
28:35 <Nothing\> all that water moving around. It's not like a lake with a finite thermal mass.
29:13 <Nothing\> jaymax, yeah they have subways though so those get flooded bad
29:19 <Nothing\> i remember that was a big issue during Sandy
29:44 <Nothing\> it doesn't sound like they get too many full blown hurricanes there even
30:01 <jaymax> So to consolidate the locations for comparison (spitballs), Halifax gets trouble from 16% of all named storms, Manhattan 25%.
30:07 <Nothing\> just from how hard Sandy hit them for how relatively weak a storm it was compared to what usually hits the southern states
30:22 <Nothing\> that's interesting
30:33 <Nothing\> i'd like to know how many of those are still named storms by the time they hit though
30:44 <Nothing\> ie how many remain >tropical storm status
30:50 <Nothing\> which is what? winds >66mph
31:04 <jaymax> It's got to be slamma-jamma'd on the region though. Most hurricanes die in the gulf of Mexico.
31:09 <Nothing\> or i think 110km/h something like that 120?
31:43 <jaymax> They never lose their named states.
31:43 <Nothing\> yeah but some will track up the east coast instead of making landfall
31:51 <jaymax> *status.
31:55 <Nothing\> hell some go right back out into the atlantic and don't even touch land
32:05 <Nothing\> they just fizzle out over the north atlantic
32:16 <Nothing\> well, they probably hit some sort of island
32:17 <Nothing\> s
32:25 <Nothing\> azores maybe i dunno
32:27 <jaymax> Yup, also well-dodging. Just awesome sufing waves.
32:44 <jaymax> Sable island sometimes
32:49 <Nothing\> heh i can imagine
33:13 <Nothing\> oh that reminds me, i saw a youtube thumbnail or ad or something the other day that seemed to imply the oak island treasure was found
33:19 <Nothing\> i skipped over it. didn't even bother
33:23 <jaymax> (x) Doubt
33:23 <Nothing\> it's a load of bullshit.
33:25 <Nothing\> lol yeah
33:36 <Nothing\> if there was anything useful there they'd have found it by now
33:55 <Nothing\> i also keep getting this other recommended video that's obviously about oak island
34:03 <jaymax> They used ground-pentrating radar, so a shit-tonne of claims get made by GPR and nothing fucken happens.
34:04 <Nothing\> "why have they been digging this hole for 220 years?"
34:20 <Nothing\> i didn't know about the ground penetrating radar or any of that
34:29 <Nothing\> lol i don't know why i didn't even think of that
34:47 <jaymax> It's specuation. It could be treasure, or it could be a tree root.
34:54 <Nothing\> either whatever was down there was destroyed by the previous people trying to get at it
35:00 <Nothing\> or there was nothing there in the first place
35:00 <jaymax> ^ thaty
35:05 <Nothing\> yeah
35:19 <Nothing\> it sounded like they flooded it and/or destroyed it with their tools
35:31 <Nothing\> i remember something about an auger or drill coming up with bits of wood or something all over it
35:34 <MrMobodies> Hello
35:39 <Nothing\> hey MrMobodies
35:42 <Nothing\> how's it going
35:47 <MrMobodies> I am looking for something i m having difficulty finding
35:51 <MrMobodies> for weeks now
35:57 <Nothing\> story of my life
36:01 <MrMobodies> I am looking for a kind of dialer
36:15 <MrMobodies> similar to Hyperterminl
36:17 <jaymax> So, the early efforts was effectively an open-pit mine. When they went bankrupt trying, the hole got filled back in so all ther documented markers of the treasure became meaningless.
36:21 <MrMobodies> or puttytel
36:33 <Nothing\> oh like a telnet/ssh client?
36:35 <jaymax> `minicom`?
36:37 <MrMobodies> yes
36:42 <MrMobodies> but it does not act as a modem
36:45 <Nothing\> what's wrong with putty?
36:54 <MrMobodies> and also I can put characters when dialing
37:02 <Nothing\> oh
37:13 <Nothing\> you mean an actual dialer well shit
37:19 <Nothing\> aol cd?
37:20 <Nothing\> lol
37:25 <MrMobodies> yes but where I can add letters
37:26 <MrMobodies> spa122, uses numbers for the IVR
37:36 <jaymax> So full DTMF octaves?
37:37 <MrMobodies> the BT changes it to letters
37:48 <MrMobodies> and my phones wont allow me to put letters in
37:50 <MrMobodies> only numbers
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37:57 <jaymax> aka the 16 different ones?
38:09 <MrMobodies> so I have the IVR password my ISP gave me
38:12 <MrMobodies> but I can't use it
38:24 <MrMobodies> on the YeaLinks they allow you use charactoers on dial
38:28 <MrMobodies> but not an analogue phone
38:30 <Nothing\> it's too bad you couldn't just write a program to play the appropriate tones
38:43 <MrMobodies> I think that would be a lot of work for me
38:48 <Nothing\> nah
38:53 <jaymax> MrMobodies: does the letters go beyond 1234567890ABCD#* ?
38:58 <Nothing\> qb64 has a tone generator function built right in
38:59 <MrMobodies> I just want something that... goes on hook, don't disconnect or hang up
39:06 <MrMobodies> yes it does
39:09 <Nothing\> although i dunno about playing 2 tones at a time
39:15 <Nothing\> so i dunno
39:27 <Nothing\> but i get what you mean. That'd be beyond me as well.
39:30 <jaymax> Hmmm, seems off-spec unless it's a VOIP-specific thing.
39:35 <Nothing\> or at least a lot of work to learn how to do it.
39:38 <MrMobodies> IT IS A voip THING
39:41 <MrMobodies> oops caps
40:00 <MrMobodies> I have tried a few dialers but one of them won't allow characters
40:01 <jaymax> Tone-generator perhaps? You can look up the octave maps.
40:12 <MrMobodies> another will but because there is no data it hangs up
40:19 <MrMobodies> the other shuts the tone off
40:38 <MrMobodies> I might try and do that
40:41 <MrMobodies> octave maps
40:42 <MrMobodies> thanks
40:56 <Nothing\> jaymax, it's funny how many neighbourhoods in halifax have the same names as neighbourhoods here
41:40 <jaymax> NO. Back in the days of DTMF, the ABCD octaves were present but because they were telco-reserved, little was offered for them.
41:41 <Nothing\> woodlawn, fairview, north end (original!), there was even a BMO center in Kitchener
42:09 <jaymax> *NP.
42:12 <jaymax> lol
42:54 <jaymax> I'm not surprised. Same scheme repeats in the Annapolis Valley.
43:48 <jaymax> There are three (or four?) towns/communities called Cambridge in this province alone.
45:55 <Nothing\> oh yeah there's a cambridge just south of kitchener
46:03 <Nothing\> it's actually part of the same tri-city with Waterloo
46:24 <Nothing\> we stole a lot of names from England
46:55 <Nothing\> Windsor, York, Essex, Sussex, Wessex, Nosex (kidding)
47:01 <Nothing\> but that should be one
48:51 * jaymax leads the charge
48:51 <jaymax> https://chat.chinwag.im/files/e95e32ba-8c30-44d8-b78e-c0a05839b049/B6rOg96RSXClQZh8Tmcjng.jpg
49:10 <jaymax> :^3
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59:42 <MrMobodies> I found something
59:48 <MrMobodies> so obvious
00:03 <MrMobodies> The IVR given to me with the letters in there
00:11 <MrMobodies> I thought as a last resort what I do
00:20 <MrMobodies> look at the letters on the phone
00:29 <MrMobodies> and write down the numbers where the letters are
00:37 <MrMobodies> I thought it is a stupid attemot
00:40 <MrMobodies> but it worked
01:09 <MrMobodies> it the IVR number capitals and lower case but it don't matter
01:28 <MrMobodies> now I might be able to see if I can adjust the off hook timer if there is an option in there IVR
04:08 <MrMobodies> Oh that's a shame when I tried it again invalid pass key
05:23 <arch> looks like explosives
06:51 <MrMobodies> aaaah I put a star in it *
06:53 <MrMobodies> now it works
06:55 <MrMobodies> at the end
07:08 <MrMobodies> i look back at what I dialed
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49:11 <Halcyon> Evening all
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08:03 <K> hello rodents
16:02 <Halcyon> Hello K
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31:59 <watcher> Hello
32:15 <Halcyon> Hello watcher
33:18 <watcher> Halcyon is there some aussie word for thank you?
33:28 <Halcyon> "Thanks" ?
33:38 <Halcyon> As in slang?
33:48 <watcher> yes
33:56 <Halcyon> I guess the closest would be "Ta"
34:06 <Halcyon> But I think they say that in the UK too?
34:17 <watcher> thats also fine
34:19 <Halcyon> "Cheers" is also common
34:37 <Halcyon> Bogans tend to say "Thanks heaps"
34:52 <watcher> is Cheers and then some name a good combo
35:32 <Halcyon> "No worries/drama" is common for "You're welcome"
35:57 <Halcyon> Yeh that's fairly normal and casual
36:01 <watcher> and wat is common for thanks for the gift?
36:04 <Halcyon> "Cheers mate" or "Cheers [name]"
36:15 <K> "U WOT"
36:31 <Halcyon> I guess it depends on the circumstances and who the person is? But it's really no different to anywhere else in my experience.
36:34 <watcher> Cheers [name] will do it for now
36:42 <Halcyon> Just a simple "Thank you" is perfect
36:42 <K> "U 'AVIN A GIGGEL?!?"
37:26 <Halcyon> "Cheers" is very casual, so if it's used when someone does something very thoughtful or buys you something expensive, it could come across as slightly condescending
37:46 <Halcyon> For example, if I go to the supermarket and someone says "Have a nice day", I'll say "Cheers, you too".
38:04 <Halcyon> Where as if I receive a gift from someone, particularly if it's someone I care about, it's "Thank you"
38:46 <watcher> so cheers will do it if some one donatates on your twitch stream?
38:47 <Halcyon> "Cheers" is usually used when you're out with mates and someone buys a round of drinks. That sort of thing.
38:58 <Halcyon> Yeh I think that's appropriate watcher
39:15 <K> what about a gift in the supermarket from somone you care?
39:44 <K> watcher, i'd find "thank you" better
39:45 <Halcyon> I think it would depend on the value or meaning behind the gift?
40:06 <K> i'm being a numpty, Halcyon
40:14 <Halcyon> For example, if you said cheers to your boyfriend/girlfriend/wife whatever for buying something thoughtful or romantic, you'll probably get a disgruntled look
42:15 <watcher> we say cheers is the situation of beer or wine when we got it all in our hands and toast the beer/wine
42:36 <Halcyon> Yeh that too
44:10 <K> i say "cheers" when a sniper finishes off someone i've dealt 100+ damage to and am empty on primary and secondary
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52:02 * Halcyon throws an entire packet of pistachios at T3sl4, one-by-one
54:08 <K> peeled ones?
54:29 <K> if that is the right word
54:41 <Halcyon> The shells are partially open
54:44 <Halcyon> So ready to nom on
55:49 <K> i'd throw the ones that are not open at all
55:59 <K> troll-nuts
56:13 <Halcyon> Hahahah that's mean
56:21 <K> or open just enough for you to try to open them with nails, but fail
57:14 <Halcyon> It's like throwing walnuts or brazil nuts without a nut cracker
57:21 <Halcyon> Oh I HATE that K!
57:32 <Halcyon> You can see it, but you can't get to it with your hands
57:42 <K> those are even worse,ye
58:03 <K> end up with no nouts, broken nails and disapointment
58:13 <Halcyon> Just salty fingers
59:02 <K> that is the only not immediately bad thing
59:38 <K> however, if you break the under-nail a bit, and then lick salty fingers, it is not nice
01:25 <Halcyon> This is true
21:28 <Halcyon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LrieGDMac8
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21:31 <Halcyon> Interesting
48:14 <steve30> hi
50:01 <steve30> there were a couple of twunks at the gym this morning
58:30 <Ysjoelfir> uuuh, twunks? is that something simmilar to a twink?
58:35 <Ysjoelfir> also, mornings
01:42 <Halcyon> Ysjoelfir it's a cross between a twink and a hunk
01:45 <Halcyon> https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Twunk
01:46 <EEVBot> [Title] - Urban Dictionary: Twunk
30:50 <Halcyon> Oh dear, I found another rabbit hole: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLew3Dd3IBA
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41:47 <Ampera> good morning
46:30 <Halcyon> Hello Ampera
46:32 <Halcyon> *cuddles*
46:40 * Ampera pitches Halcyon like a tent
46:46 <Ampera> how are you doing Halcyon
47:48 <Halcyon> I
47:53 <Halcyon> I'm doing OK, how are you?
48:05 <Ampera> looking at tents
48:07 <Ampera> for purchase
48:22 <Ampera> at this rate, all of my camping gear is gonna end up being coleman
49:43 <Halcyon> Decent quality stuff
50:22 <Ampera> I certainly enjoy their wide variety of combustion utensils
50:39 <Halcyon> I like fie
50:41 <Halcyon> fire
50:42 <Ampera> https://www.amazon.com/Coleman-6-Person-Instant-Cabin-2000018017/dp/B004E4ERHA/
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50:47 <Ampera> I am considering one or two of these
51:09 <Halcyon> Why two
51:10 <Halcyon> ?
51:15 <Ampera> so I can bring a friend
51:21 <Ampera> without having to sleep next to them
51:24 <Halcyon> Copy
51:28 <Halcyon> Fair enough
51:45 <Ampera> this one seems to be tall enough for me to stand up in
52:09 <Halcyon> Speaking of sleep, I should go
52:11 <Ampera> lol, in the techical details, suggested users says "Unisex adult"
52:25 <Ampera> is there such thing as a single sex tent?
52:26 <Halcyon> What about the other sexes ?
52:35 <Halcyon> Either, any and all sexes
52:38 <Ampera> like, if I sleep in a women's tent I'll spontaneously combust
53:14 <Halcyon> Maybe the women's one has an additional storage pouch for makeup and other things of that nature?
53:53 <Halcyon> Anyways, bed time
54:04 <Ampera> sounds like a gay man's tent to me
54:30 <Ampera> It'd be good for you, you could store your 20 different products, moisturizers, disinfectants, and rejuvinators in it
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33:00 <jaymax> You know what to do with that big fat "but" ... WiGL WiGL.
33:23 <Ampera> phat
34:34 <jaymax> So much bloviating for wireless energy, BUT we all know the scam that it is.
34:43 <Ampera> phat
34:55 <jaymax> Yes, phat
35:02 <Ampera> phuck
35:07 <Ampera> hah
35:22 <jaymax> phuck ewe
35:38 <Ampera> phat
36:23 * jaymax caffinates Ampera at the tip of a golf club. <3
36:53 * Ampera pours an entire gallon of scalding hot irish breakfast tea down jaymax's gullet
38:56 <jaymax> So Scottish rain steeped in irish breakfast?
39:08 <Ampera> phat
40:36 <K> gullet.
40:42 <K> moist gullet.
40:52 <K> mmmmmoist.
41:09 <Ampera> sloppy, moist supper
41:21 * Ampera implants a potato directly into K's sternum
41:29 <K> :|
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