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19:23 * electrohead yawns
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32:29 <arch> T3sl4, add this CSP header for taking your site securityheaders rank from A to A+: add_header Content-Security-Policy "frame-ancestors 'self';";
33:18 <arch> https://docs.w3cub.com/http/headers/content-security-policy/frame-ancestors
33:19 <EEVBot> [Title] - CSP: Frame-ancestors - HTTP - W3cubDocs
41:17 <K> the fuck is that site
41:19 <K> 101022 trackers
41:41 <K> it can go die in fire
42:40 <arch> LOL
44:36 * electrohead searches for a website called "101022 trackers"
45:21 <arch> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTTP/Headers/Content-Security-Policy/frame-ancestors
45:22 <EEVBot> [Title] - CSP: frame-ancestors - HTTP | MDN
45:23 <arch> there you go
49:54 <K> ah.
55:20 * Ysjoelfir offers electrohead an energy drink
58:34 <K> are energy drinks any good
58:37 <K> ?
59:26 <K> otoh i guess tea could also be considered one
59:38 <K> and that does work
59:51 <Ysjoelfir> they taste good. some of them. but for me they don't wake me up at all. others have said to me that they do. but I have been addicted to the stuff like,,, 14 years ago, so I might be a bit immune to the stuff
04:10 <K> ah.
04:21 <K> tea is cheaper.
12:15 <Ysjoelfir> that is true
12:37 <Ysjoelfir> last weekend I discovered a local specialty. tea licquor. holy smokes that is tasty
13:32 <K> alcoholic?
13:36 <Ysjoelfir> yes
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32:41 <TheDude> I hate matlab's shitty font so god damn much
32:51 <TheDude> I just spent 30 minutes chasing a bug in my code
33:06 <TheDude> only to find that there was a lower case L where 1 should have been
33:07 <TheDude> ffs
33:21 <TheDude> err, scratch that, Octave's font
34:18 <Ysjoelfir> I just wanted to start rambling that I don't like matlab in general due to a stupid teacher in university killing any interest in it, instead creating hate
35:37 <TheDude> matlab is a superb tool
35:45 <Ysjoelfir> i know
36:00 <TheDude> I didn't have much interest for it beyond what had to be done in college
36:12 <TheDude> but then I figured out on my own how neat it can be
36:22 <TheDude> and then I gradually learned how to use it
36:41 <Ysjoelfir> I know how neat it is, and I kind of know how to use it. I still hate it because of mr. Dr. dickhead
38:59 <Ysjoelfir> I would have loved to get to know it in a meaningfull fashion though, as I have learned how usefull it can be if used right.
39:33 <Ysjoelfir> instead of being forced to make it paint your name in blinking characters based on your student identification number, being surrounded by floating circles
39:52 <K> lol
39:56 <TheDude> kek
40:05 <TheDude> speaking of which
40:22 <TheDude> I think the way I made this script for finding resistor combos is quite neat
40:43 <TheDude> do you think it would make sense to make a short YT video about it?
41:23 <TheDude> er, I should clarify what I meant
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42:41 <TheDude> https://www.dropbox.com/s/j4htfgx9xkgrtem/Screenshot%202022-05-06%2017.42.02.png?raw=1
42:55 <TheDude> okay, so this is the circuit
43:17 <TheDude> it's a ratiometric measurement of the RTD
43:46 <TheDude> and it scales the range of the temperatures of interest to the whole range of the ADC
44:23 <TheDude> and it's a bit tricky to find the exact combination of resistors that will do the scaling just right, because you need to actually be able to buy those resistors from a supplier
45:06 <TheDude> so I made a script that tries different resistor combinations and spits out the combinations that closely match the range that you're after
46:14 <TheDude> ... is that something that would be an interesting topic to present in a video? does anyone think there would be benefit in explaining how I did it?
46:38 <Ysjoelfir> I actually made something simmilar back in my last job, but for..... oh damn I can't remember.... IIRC for calculating adjustment resistors
46:48 <Ysjoelfir> And yes, it absolutely would be
47:41 Quit: adsr ([email protected]) Ping timeout: 121 seconds
52:12 <TheDude> I'll give it a shot
57:28 <rust_collector> https://youtu.be/wyrelYaW4qA
57:29 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: mk king of BEST FUNNY LEAVEL THE TETWAL JI darling DJ(1)
05:24 <K> wtf rust_collector
05:30 <K> that is not decent
05:58 <rust_collector> there you go, mr engineer from school and stuff
06:47 <K> :|
09:27 <Ysjoelfir> lol
10:06 <Ysjoelfir> So, I think I will switch the PC to the lab PC, as I will continue cleaning up there. the misses has been here for the week and now its my duty to clean up xD
44:46 <steve30> hi
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31:14 <Nothing\> yay!
31:21 <Nothing\> i got my function generator!
31:28 <Nothing\> and holy crap is it fucking piddly feeling
31:35 <Nothing\> feels like a hollow box, which it probably is
31:59 <Nothing\> but i mean they could have at least put a metal plate in it for weight like they used to do. Though I guess if you're shipping something that's not the best.
32:40 <Nothing\> i'm also not happy that the BNC to BNC connector has stiff-ass insulation on it but oh well. for $100 it's a great deal and i think it does up to 60mhz, dual channel.
33:05 <Nothing\> i never did check the actual probes' insulation but it's probably just as stiff they're just BNC to alligator clips
35:56 <coppice> If a box is not hollow, its a lump not a box
37:07 <Nothing\> lol
37:23 <Nothing\> coppice, unless it stops doing what it's supposed to do, then it's a brick.
37:31 <rust_collector> stuff it full of green sand?
37:34 <Nothing\> although that makes me wonder how one classifies a paperweight
37:44 <Nothing\> rust_collector, lol i actually have some grene sand here
37:46 <Nothing\> sorta
38:00 <Nothing\> i bought some kinetic sand because i always heard about it and thought it was something cool
38:08 <Nothing\> it's just sand with the consistency of play-doh
38:15 <Nothing\> and makes a mess
38:17 <rust_collector> eeeh. ok
38:30 <Nothing\> i also thought i remembered it doing something cool when you put it in water so i did
38:36 <Nothing\> it just turned it into regular sand
38:37 <Nothing\> lol
38:46 <Nothing\> but it didn't turn back into kinetic sand
39:08 <Nothing\> but yeah this function generator
39:25 <Nothing\> i don't get the choice of power supply. They went with a brick adapter instead of a USB adapter
39:34 <Nothing\> even though it takes 5v @ 2a
39:38 * T3sl4 generates a Nothing\ function
39:54 <Nothing\> i could literally lop off the connector and splice it onto a usb cable and it would work just the same
40:03 <Nothing\> which, actually....
40:14 <Nothing\> i should make an emergency adapter like that
40:34 <Nothing\> i have a few things that use a 5v brick for some reason. Which, 5v bricks should be abolished now
40:46 <Nothing\> also we need 12v usb chargers
40:54 <Nothing\> charge your car off of your computer
41:35 <Nothing\> oh hey you guys see that bigclive video the other day about lichtenberg patterns?
41:53 <Nothing\> lol it's funny because i was just mentioning a couple of weeks ago about that warning the government put out here about them
41:53 <rust_collector> you don't charge your car with 12v. but, why do you want only one sort of power supply device? i am very ok with not powering most of my stuff with a shitty usb cable
42:17 <Nothing\> rust_collector, your car battery but yeah i guess you don't charge a car battery to 12v do you? it's more like what? 13.5? 14?
42:24 <Nothing\> i've never handled a car battery
42:54 <rust_collector> yeah, I think 13.8 is a thing, but somewhere around 14
43:01 <Nothing\> why is it that car batteries seem to be so synonymous with electrocution though. Like you see any torture scene in a movie/game and the guy always gets electrocuted with a car battery
43:13 <Nothing\> i know they can put out a lot of current, but would 12v REALLY hurt that much?
43:15 <Nothing\> if at all
43:35 <rust_collector> if you can make the current pass thru the body... I dunno?
43:42 <T3sl4> TheDude: what is that, a negative resistance at the top?
44:06 <TheDude> yes
44:16 <TheDude> a howland current source
44:30 <Nothing\> i can think of at least 3 instances, the infamous torture scene in GTA V, Mel Gibson being tortured in Lethal Weapon and the Iraqi prisoner being tortured in Three Kings, except they seemed to have him lying on a metal bed frame that was attached to a car battery so that just brings even more resistance into the equation
44:34 <T3sl4> seems like a lot of precision resistors and amps to faff with, when 1-2 would do, or a direct reading ADC entirely
44:43 <Nothing\> plus the guy was clothed so, i don't think 12v is gonna go through a bed frame and his clothes
45:04 <Nothing\> TheDude, i've never heard of a howland current source. Only widlar
45:10 <Nothing\> i'll have to look into that
45:19 <Nothing\> i like negative resistance
45:24 <T3sl4> usually "current pump" for some reason
45:29 <TheDude> T3sl4, the 0.1% resistors have been chosen for their low tempco
45:33 <Nothing\> okay okay okay
45:35 <Nothing\> hold the phone
45:44 <TheDude> 15ppm/K
45:53 <Nothing\> what's the difference between a current source, a current pump and a current conveyor
45:55 <TheDude> oh nvm
46:01 <Nothing\> this is another one of those things where they sound the same but they're not
46:02 <TheDude> the ones in the schematic are 25
46:14 <Nothing\> a current pump i'm guessing uses caps
46:15 <TheDude> but you can find 15 for not that high a cost
46:22 <Nothing\> i dunno
46:34 <T3sl4> that's a lot of resistors to calibrate, how many degrees of freedom is that?
46:41 <Nothing\> and a current conveyor i'm vaguely familiar with. more familiar with current sources but i know they're all very different devices
46:41 <TheDude> a charge pump uses capacitors
46:54 <Nothing\> TheDude, yeah i imagine something like a 7660
46:54 <TheDude> that's a fair number of degrees of freedom :D
47:06 <Nothing\> which we were actually just talking about yesterday
47:12 <T3sl4> will need at worst a quadratic compensation so 3 cal terms i suppose?
47:16 <TheDude> matlab to the rescue again
47:21 <DHess_US> <Nothing\> why is it that car batteries seem to be so synonymous with electrocution though. Like you see any torture scene in a movie/game and the guy always gets electrocuted with a car battery
47:24 <DHess_US> Hollywood physics
47:30 <Nothing\> DHess_US, that's what i figured
47:40 <TheDude> well, the circuit itself is completely linear
47:50 <TheDude> so only the RTD non-linearity applies here
48:02 <TheDude> and that can be done with a quadratic equation, yeah
48:08 <Nothing\> DHess_US, i mean in lethal weapon they had it better because mel gibson was being doused in water while they were hitting him with two saturated sponges with alligator clamps on them
48:11 * T3sl4 clips onto DHess_US's nipple to check continuity
48:18 <T3sl4> er, plural
48:30 <DHess_US> Did you just assume that I am a mammal?
48:42 <Nothing\> DHess_US, although i would expect the current would want to travel over the (presumably salty) water on his skin rather than into his body
48:49 <TheDude> also, you mentioned that 2 opamps could be enough to achieve this
48:57 <T3sl4> TheDude: i mean because you're screwing with the voltage divider, it may need a quadratic or rational curve to solve for RTD
49:04 <TheDude> I couldn't figure out a way to do it with less than 3, but I might have overlooked something
49:06 <DHess_US> Nothing\, 12 volts won't do anything through the skin.
49:17 <Nothing\> DHess_US, then again picturing it as a circuit i imagine his body as a high resistance in parellel with the low resistance water so I guess it would act as a current divider of sorts?
49:23 <T3sl4> that doesn't really matter as you only need the ADC to temp curve, don't need to solve for R directly
49:40 <T3sl4> but also, calibrating to whatever order curve is needed for that, isn't any more trivial, so maybe solving for R first is worthwhile
49:40 <TheDude> uh
49:49 <TheDude> hold on, what do you mean screwing with the voltage divider?
49:54 <Nothing\> DHess_US, yeah i remember hooking 9v batteries up in series one by one and touching the ends to see what point i started feeling something and what point it started hurting perceptibly
50:02 <Nothing\> and i didn't even feel anything until around 60-70v
50:18 <DHess_US> You're talking about RTD nonlinearity? A second order curve will get it down to 0.05C over more than 0 to 100C
50:19 <T3sl4> i mean you're modifying resistance in the circuit, which the RTD is also doing. so it's doing stuff to the divider equation R2/(R1+R2)
50:28 <DHess_US> Otherwise it could be off by like 2C?
50:40 <rust_collector> Nothing\ you should put your 9v batteries in the freezer, before you try that
50:55 <TheDude> err, no?
51:11 <Nothing\> rust_collector, lol i still have an AA in my freezer from that
51:14 <DHess_US> A second order curve is made by feeding part of the output back to the excitation.
51:15 <Nothing\> i never wound up taking it out
51:22 <T3sl4> unless you've subtracted out and separated those terms, but i don't think so, the output doesn't know what the bottom or top part is doing?
51:26 <TheDude> the varying resistance of the RTD is only changing the voltage that appears on the upper node of it
51:36 <Nothing\> rust_collector, still puts out 1.55v but i haven't tested it proper under load
51:43 <Nothing\> i bet under load it'd fail miserably
51:46 <TheDude> the bottom node of the RTD is fixed with respect to circuit gnd
51:51 <T3sl4> DHess_US: are they that linear? i recall more terms. but i haven't looked at RTDs in a while
52:02 <TheDude> yeah, a pt1000 is very linear
52:10 <TheDude> the quadratic term is tiny
52:12 <DHess_US> T3sl4, linear enough to only require second order correction.
52:39 <DHess_US> Right, and it is a tiny amount.
52:40 <T3sl4> ok, so solving for R is not a hassle. that still leaves the potentially quadratic form of the divider then
52:48 <TheDude> no
52:58 <Nothing\> that reminds me. I was watching this (legit) car repair channel on youtube and the guy was checking the car's battery but he didn't use a multimeter. He had some device he clipped onto it, it seemed to perform some tests, presumably testing voltage and current when open/shorted and under various loads
52:59 <TheDude> there is no non-linearity in the rest of the circuit
53:08 <DHess_US> But calibration is tricky and not all RTDs are quite the same.
53:23 <T3sl4> it's linear in R, over all component tolerances?
53:29 <Nothing\> which makes me wonder how they would have tested car batteries back before those fancy testers
53:35 <TheDude> okay, not in that sense
53:40 <Nothing\> just put a galvanometer across it and see if it's got a good voltage?
53:41 <Nothing\> lol
53:56 <T3sl4> Nothing\: they use a big fucking resistor to check droop (voltage under load)
53:58 <DHess_US> Nothing\, a current measurement is usually enough. If the voltage is wrong, then the current into or out of the battery will be wrong also.
54:06 <rust_collector> I am sure they had resistors, even in the early days of car batteries
54:13 <T3sl4> if it's fading quickly under load, it's not gonna hope to crank an engine
54:16 <Kuschelpony> nothing with a big piece of wire and a ear if the bang is loud enough
54:40 <DHess_US> So you can verify proper operation using either a voltage or current measurement.
54:44 <TheDude> the non-linearity of the resistors themselves is not going to be a deciding factor here
54:45 <Kuschelpony> rustcollector yes, but the earlier cars had just no battery
54:47 <Nothing\> T3sl4, aha i was thinking they probably manually put different loads on it but i didn't think they'd need THAT big a resistor. What IS the typical short circuit current of a 12v? I've always known it's high but i just realized i have no idea what it is
55:03 <Nothing\> i've never actually checked the short circuit current on any battery that was healthy or not crap
55:04 <T3sl4> what's typical "cold cranking amps"?
55:10 <Kuschelpony> nothing it can be 500 ampere to kiloamperes
55:19 <TheDude> 500-600A on smaller car batteries
55:21 <Nothing\> T3sl4, yeah
55:27 <Nothing\> TheDude, yee god
55:44 <Nothing\> lol here i was thinking maybe 10-20 amps
55:45 <T3sl4> never underestimate short circuit capacity of batteries or capacitors
55:56 <Nothing\> capacitors, i understand and respect
56:01 <DHess_US> Most starters draw less than 100 amps
56:16 <Nothing\> but batteries, i always assumed they had like a 0.05-0.2 or so ohm series resistance
56:29 <Nothing\> but that's just alkaline cells
56:33 <TheDude> on a warm day, on a modestly sized petrol engine
56:49 <Nothing\> i made the mistake of generalizing what i measured from alkaline cells to all other cells even though i know better subconsciously
56:53 <TheDude> diesel engines take a fair bit of oomph to get going
57:00 <Kuschelpony> the really craziest stuff were lead acid batteris with felt instead of plates, they could deliver beyond 2kA in car size package, were used for bombers in WW2
57:08 <Nothing\> speaking of diesel, have you guys seen diesel prices lately?
57:22 <TheDude> yes ಠ╭╮ಠ
57:26 <DHess_US> Kuschelpony, sure those were not wet cell NiCd?
57:39 <Kuschelpony> sure Lead-Acid
57:40 <TheDude> 1.82€/l currently here
57:47 <Kuschelpony> i have to look for the books describing them
57:51 <Ysjoelfir> add 40 cents to that and you have german prices, TheDude
57:53 <DHess_US> wet cell NiCd look like lead acid but they aren't.
57:59 <Kuschelpony> they mentioned it was needed to recharge them daily
58:09 <TheDude> yeah, I know they're shafting you even harder
58:20 <TheDude> but salaries are lower here, so it hurts more :D
58:30 <Nothing\> TheDude, holy crap and i thought it wsa bad here at $1.35CAD/l
58:33 <Kuschelpony> dhess its easy to see the difference, if you fill it with acid and immediately think "oh shit" then it was Ni-Cd
58:42 <Nothing\> and for reference, it was like 80c before the invasion
58:45 <Kuschelpony> emphasizing ...was...
58:46 <Ysjoelfir> I am unemployed since a few days, so.... it hurts a lot :D
58:51 <Nothing\> but i understand it's not just the invasion causing this price rise
58:57 <Nothing\> or so sayeth wendover productions
59:04 <Nothing\> but i'm taking a lot of what they say with a grain of salt lately
59:22 <T3sl4> just over $4/USgal here, whatever that is in funnydollarsandunits
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59:30 <Nothing\> i forget if it was them or one of the other channels like real life lore that's like it. But one of them claimed when the invasion started that the reason was oil.
59:36 <TheDude> europe is getting cucked hardcore with this energy crisis
59:42 <Nothing\> Because that's always a trendy reason to accuse countries of invading one another.
00:10 <Nothing\> then they went on to point out how the donbas and crimea have the largest oil fields of Ukraine but Ukraine wasn't able to tap them because of lack of technology
00:26 <Nothing\> which makes me wonder why nobody was contracted to tap them instead? They could still make money selling the rights to other companies.
00:37 <T3sl4> Nothing\: ukraine had extensive gas fields, and some oil i think?, discovered in the early 2010s or so, i forget what exactly
00:43 <TheDude> USA incited a war in Ukraine, sanctions mean we won't be importing Russian oil and will instead buy it more expensively from USA
00:47 <Nothing\> Or why Russia hasn't even tried to tap any of the oil in Crimea since they've been there
00:52 <TheDude> while USA increases imports from Russia -.-
01:07 <T3sl4> causing russia to immediately nope the fuck into crimea and related areas
01:14 <T3sl4> hence 2014
01:19 <Nothing\> TheDude, i thought the russians incited the war by claiming zelenskey's a nazi and needs to be removed from power?
01:27 <Nothing\> among other things, but that was the main reason i understand.
01:44 <TheDude> a war is very rarely a one-sided thing
01:45 <Nothing\> well that and they invaded ukrain
01:46 <Nothing\> e
01:52 <Nothing\> TheDude, i'll agree to that
02:01 <T3sl4> it used to be a "special military operation", it's formally declared now isn't it?
02:12 <TheDude> beats the fuck out of me
02:14 <Nothing\> but unfortunately it's impossible to get an accurate picture of who's doing what wrong and how much while the war's going on
02:20 <rust_collector> I do not think so, still a smo
02:22 <Nothing\> or even until the people involved are dead
02:34 <Nothing\> TheDude, so i think it's safe to say whether we agree or not we're probably both wrong
02:36 <Ysjoelfir> EEVBot time electrohead
02:37 <EEVBot> It is currently 2022/05/06 14:02:37 where electrohead resides.
02:46 <TheDude> but there is guilt on both sides and poor Ukrainian civilians get killed because of it
02:58 <Nothing\> TheDude, i will say though i have read (admittedly briefly) about Ukraine doing some shifty things in the past
03:08 <Nothing\> unfortunately i can't recall anything specific but i know it's happened
03:13 <Nothing\> i mean, it's ukraine
03:15 <Nothing\> actually one thing
03:58 <T3sl4> ukraine's govt used to be extremely corrupt and russia leaning, the people voted them out, zelensky is working to improve the situation, and making actual progress as far as i know, or was until obvious priorities got in the way
04:01 <Nothing\> the government wasn't involved that i know of, but after the USSR fell, apparently the Ukrainian scientists and engineers working on their nuclear program were all out of work. So they started working for North Korea instead.
04:11 <Nothing\> Which I guess is how North Korea developed their nukes
04:16 <Nothing\> *their first nukes
04:22 <T3sl4> which is why russia pressured trump to get favors from them, make them give in to backsliding on corruption
04:40 <Nothing\> speaking of which, it's scary how much DPRK ICBMs have increased in range
04:59 <Nothing\> i remember just a few years ago they made a big deal about the taepdong-2 being able to make it to hawaii
05:11 <Nothing\> now they're testing this new missile with a range of over 10,000km
05:16 <Nothing\> (or was it miles?)
05:43 <TheDude> I'm not convinced that Zelensky is really a good guy here that tried to save the nation out of the goodness of his heart
05:48 <Nothing\> and looking at a quick graphic, they have all of these missiles i've never heard of with ranges well over what it would take to reach even the west coast
06:02 <Nothing\> TheDude, why is that?
06:33 <TheDude> I recall reading about his political ties in the past, but couldn't tell you off the top of my head
06:47 <Nothing\> TheDude, in my experience when somebody isn't genuine, their lie will eventually (given enough time) crumble and they'll be exposed for who they are
06:52 <TheDude> but it seemed shady as fuck
07:12 <Nothing\> TheDude, he told Trump to fuck off. Ya gotta give him points for that.
07:25 <TheDude> did he tell Biden's son? :)
07:28 <Nothing\> when Trump wanted him to dig up dirt on Hunter Biden or face having military funding cut
07:57 <Nothing\> TheDude, he was on Jimmy Kimmel a few months ago. I'd never seen the guy but he seems like a really decent person despite his past.
08:17 <Nothing\> i mean, i can relate being an addict myself and making mistakes etc so maybe i have some sympathy for him on that account.
08:23 <TheDude> so Biden promises Ukraine a massive financial aid of like 500 billion, was it?
08:43 <Nothing\> i dunno
08:45 <TheDude> and immediately the stock prices of companies like Boeing, Raytheon, Lockheed Martin, etc skyrocket :)
08:52 <Nothing\> lol yeah
09:07 <Nothing\> TheDude, that's just natural. The same thing happened with afghanistan
09:15 <Nothing\> wars break out, defence contracts are needed
09:35 <TheDude> it's not helping Ukraine, it's primarily lining the pockets of the people that put him in power
09:35 <Nothing\> and it stands to reason the companies who pick up the biggest contracts are going to do well in such a case
09:41 <Nothing\> they ARE war profiteers
09:51 <rust_collector> Nothing\ I bet he is a great guy to have a bbq with. same with hitler.
09:55 <TheDude> with the money taken from US taxpayers
10:01 <TheDude> yaay for wars
10:02 <Nothing\> TheDude, yup that's the bottom line with absolutely everything that happens in this society we live in
10:05 <Nothing\> money money money
10:16 <Nothing\> no matter what anyone says, no matter what they do, doesn't matter
10:27 <Nothing\> you go back far enough, the reason always ends up being money
10:31 <TheDude> yup
10:43 <Nothing\> TheDude, but you can't get upset about it
10:45 <TheDude> fuck the Ukrainians that get slaughtered day in and day out
10:48 <Nothing\> what's it gonna do?
10:58 <TheDude> fuck the families that had to flee
11:15 <Nothing\> i mean if you're in a position to fix or help things, absolutely get upset and use that anger or whatever to productive means
11:18 <TheDude> as long as the politician's buddies earn enough money to buy new yachts
11:27 <TheDude> and fund their next political campaigns
11:43 <Nothing\> but if you can't do anything about it. Getting pissed off just makes you feel shitty and doesn't accomplish anything and it's just a lot of wasted effort
11:48 <Nothing\> but it's easier said than done.
12:14 <Nothing\> especially when society drills it into your head that you're a terrible person if you don't beat yourself up over everything like this that happens
12:26 <TheDude> tell me, please, what one individual could do against these cunts?
12:41 <Nothing\> TheDude, serve in the military
12:45 <TheDude> LOL :D
12:47 <Nothing\> be part of a legislature
12:56 <TheDude> LOL
12:56 <Nothing\> be part of the government in some other form
13:13 <Nothing\> TheDude, well if they have no power, who does?
13:27 <Nothing\> you tell me who could make a difference
13:28 <TheDude> implying you'd ever get any sort of political power without owing favors to people with money behind the scenes
13:44 <Nothing\> TheDude, i said you'd have the ability to change things
13:45 <TheDude> and even if, for some magical reason, you were to succeed, you'd likely be killed very fucking quickly
13:46 <Nothing\> i didn't say how
13:54 <Nothing\> TheDude, so?
14:09 <T3sl4> the only difference between democracy and dictatorship is how many people are rubbing the backs of how many others at each level
14:10 <Nothing\> if you're trying to change things to better the world, what's it matter if you're alive or not
14:17 <Nothing\> this is supposed to be to change things to help the people
14:19 <Nothing\> not yourself
14:42 <TheDude> you can help your neighbor in need
14:43 <Nothing\> i get the whole mindset of "what's the point if i'm not alive to see the fruits of my labor" I always thought the same thing about martyrdom
14:50 <TheDude> but you can't help a nation in need
14:51 <T3sl4> more is better, more members, more diluted individual power, more oversight and accountability
15:04 <Nothing\> but if you're genuinely altruistic and your death will actually bring about significant and lasting change
15:14 <Nothing\> not just to get 70 virgins
15:24 <TheDude> 72*
15:29 <rust_collector> ooh, who does that?
15:29 <Nothing\> ooh
15:33 <T3sl4> i suppose parties act to end run that structure, by gluing people together arbitrarily, and you get something like the US
15:34 <Nothing\> okay well that changes everything
15:47 <Nothing\> TheDude, actually it's funny when i think about it
16:16 <Nothing\> i can't speak for the quran. But I would assume it teaches similar lessons as the bible and other religions about how you shoudn't rely on happiness from material goods because they can easily be lost
16:29 <rust_collector> I need 72 virgins. I have not performed my rituals in a while
16:39 <Nothing\> but to islam the ultimate prize is something which is lost the second you use it?
16:45 <Nothing\> and you only get 72 of them
16:49 <Nothing\> to last you an eternity
17:01 <Nothing\> there are men who have gone through more virgins in a decade
17:08 <Nothing\> ie genghis khan
17:08 <TheDude> religious books are all retarded, without exception
17:10 <rust_collector> no no, they explode, when they are done
17:14 <DHess_US> Hmm, Klingon pizza, https://i.ibb.co/L8ZxpmM/Klingon-Pizza.jpg
17:46 <Nothing\> TheDude, there's some good wisdom in them if you know where to look but i'll say even I don't believe in the Bible, and i'm a believer in God
17:51 <TheDude> bible, quran, talmud, whatever, all retarded
17:52 <Nothing\> but not christianity
17:57 <Nothing\> or organized religion
18:05 <Nothing\> ESPECIALLY catholocism
18:35 <Nothing\> TheDude, what is it about them that bothers you so much?
18:43 <Nothing\> is there anything specific?
19:09 <Nothing\> like with the bible the one thing that kinda broke the camel's back for me in terms of deciding how credible it sounds, there were two major things
19:23 <TheDude> the amount of hatred that dumb people that follow their teachings closely spread around the world
19:31 <rust_collector> well, some of the more expensive books DO look good
19:34 <Nothing\> the first being how Jesus said in the sermon on the mount to love your enemies and be peaceful and all of that right
19:47 <Nothing\> and those "what would jesus do?" wrist bands, though that's not exactly biblical
19:54 <Nothing\> but it makes me think of later on in the bible
19:57 <T3sl4> DHess_US: for glory
20:14 <TheDude> I'm fine with people following their religious beliefs
20:16 <Nothing\> when jesus comes to the temple at jerusalem and finds merchants and tax collectors have set up shops and stalls inside the temple
20:24 <TheDude> but when it starts to affect others, they can kindly go fuck themselves
20:37 <Nothing\> so jesus completely loses it, starts screaming at them, calling them all hypocrites, smashing up their stalls, throwing them out of the temple
20:47 <Nothing\> so when I think what would jesus do, that's what i think
20:56 <Nothing\> but i mean, that's a funny way to love your enemies
21:25 <Nothing\> and the other bit that finally did it was learning what happened to Lot and his daughters after they escaped and Lot's wife turned to salt
21:40 <Nothing\> apparently his daughters wanted children so badly that they got Lot drunk and took turns raping him
21:59 <Nothing\> which bravo to him for that. I didn't know a man could get off while he's passed out drunk.
22:08 <Nothing\> clearly above whiskey dick
22:29 <Nothing\> there's actually another similar tale where noah got drunk and wound up naked or something i forget
22:33 <Nothing\> i have to look that one up
23:35 <Nothing\> and the way i see it, spirituality is very much a subjective experience. What happens and what applies to one person cannot possibly apply to everybody. So umbrella texts like the bible and that which are meant to apply to everyone just don't work.
23:47 <rust_collector> I prefer that time when thor had to dress up as a woman, to steal his hammer back. Or maybe enki, which got pregnant with himself.
24:04 <Nothing\> that and the fact that organized religion is predicated more on control through usurping the name and will of God
24:16 <Nothing\> which in my eyes there's nothing more aborrhent
24:40 <Nothing\> rust_collector, lol that last one... they actually stole that for an episode of south park
25:02 <Nothing\> way back in the day there was a big season finale where you were gonna find out who cartman's dad is cuz it was a big deal back then
25:29 <Nothing\> and for the season opener next year they revealed that his mother's a hermaphrodite and got herself pregnant so she's his father
26:04 <TheDude> like I said, if believing in god gives a person comfort, I have no problem with that, whatsoever
26:25 <Nothing\> TheDude, exactly my sentiment
26:38 <Nothing\> but as soon as they usurp that god for their own gains
26:43 <Nothing\> and take advantage of others
26:46 <TheDude> when they start with bullshit like "my god says you can't do this and that" and feel like they need to punish others for not following their beliefs
26:47 <Nothing\> that's unacceptable
26:55 <Nothing\> in my eyes, that's as low as rape
26:56 <TheDude> that's when I want to throw them into a fucking river
27:04 <Nothing\> actually, it IS rape
27:07 <Nothing\> spiritual rape
27:21 <Nothing\> that's exactly what the catholic missionaries did. Spiritually rape natives.
27:32 <TheDude> this shit is particularly widespread in muslim-majority nations
27:57 <Nothing\> Every dying person in her hospice who mother Theresa had converted and baptized in secret were spiritually raped by her
28:12 <Nothing\> which yes she did that all over india
28:17 <TheDude> mother theresa was a cunt
28:20 <Nothing\> and her hospices were shithouses
28:30 <TheDude> she let people die with completely curable conditions
28:30 <Nothing\> oh good that saves me a lot of explaining heh
28:34 <Nothing\> glad we're on the same page
28:37 <Nothing\> now then
28:39 <Nothing\> ghandi...
28:45 * Nothing\ waits
28:59 <Nothing\> nothing?
29:04 <TheDude> tbh, no opinion on the bloke, never read much about him
29:08 <Nothing\> oh
29:20 <Nothing\> he slept nude with his 12 year old niece to "test" his strength
29:23 <Nothing\> slept and bathed
29:26 <Nothing\> and other weird shit
29:29 <TheDude> fucking hell -.-
29:36 <Nothing\> which if he was testing himself that's fine
29:54 <Nothing\> but did he not think how being forced to sleep nude with your uncle would maybe fuck you up a little?
30:03 <Nothing\> he obviously only had his own interests in mind
30:09 <Nothing\> but he's on Indian currency
30:18 <TheDude> ugh... how does that conversation even go?
30:28 <T3sl4> arch: got it, lmk if it broke anything on my site
30:32 <Nothing\> TheDude, she was a female child, there was no conversation
30:36 <TheDude> "hey bro, wanna let me borrow your daughter so I can sleep naked with her to see if I'll rape her?"
30:57 <Nothing\> TheDude, he was ghandi. Of course people trusted him blindly.
31:11 <TheDude> yeah, didn't for a second stop to think if the niece was actually asked about anything
31:30 <Nothing\> which sadly reminds me of another story i'll spare you of a... not mormon but a closed christian community where one of the priests or whatever constantly abused one of the girls in the community
31:31 <Nothing\> or more
31:41 <Nothing\> i could only read half of her story
31:53 <Nothing\> i was shaking and almost vomiting by that point
32:09 <TheDude> mate, there are rabbis that suck on the baby's mutilated penis after performing circumcision
32:10 <T3sl4> it's also language from context, i.e. violence and misogyny is the norm over there, of course she doesn't get any consideration
32:18 <Nothing\> but the whole basis for why it happened and in plain view of people too was because the guy was so trusted
32:23 <Nothing\> nobody believed he could do such things
32:25 <TheDude> this fucking planet is fucked up
32:28 <Nothing\> even when she straight out said it
32:31 <Nothing\> TheDude, yes
32:39 <Nothing\> TheDude, well
32:40 <Nothing\> no
32:44 <Nothing\> it's not the planet that's fucked up
32:51 <Nothing\> it's our idea of how reality should be
34:00 <Nothing\> see there's no such thing as right or wrong, good or bad. These are man made concepts. When somebody gets sick and dies the universe doesn't do that with malicious (or any) intent. But people are prone to anthropomorphize everything so they tend to attribute some sort of malice to these events. Or at the least they label them as being bad and something which shouldn't happen ever under any circumstances.
34:16 <Nothing\> which is just absurd. Suffering as as inherent a part of life and reality as a heart beat.
34:30 <Nothing\> that's not to say you should just let things go to shit
34:30 <TheDude> ofc morality is subjective
34:34 <Nothing\> that too!
34:51 <Nothing\> what's moral to one person is completely objectionable to another, as evidenced by my ghandi story
35:05 <Nothing\> i'm sure he convinced himself through some twisted rationalization that what he was doing was morally right
35:07 <Nothing\> or even necessary
35:10 <TheDude> but I think that what I wouldn't like to be done to me is the same sort of shit that other people wouldn't like and therefore I'm not going to do it to others
35:28 <TheDude> it's that fucking simple
35:46 <Nothing\> TheDude, absolutely there are some things which are subjective and other things which it's pretty common sense that most (normal) people wouldn't want such a thing to happen
35:47 <TheDude> I'd personally prefer to live, so I'm not going to go out and kill others
36:03 <Nothing\> but at the same time, there's still always going to be a small subset of people who even find pain enjoyable
36:40 <TheDude> in the right setting and in controlled amounts, it can be enjoyable
37:07 <TheDude> but the giving and receiving parties both need to agree to it
37:37 <Nothing\> and the way i see it too, TheDude is we almost NEED bad things to happen. If everything's good all the time then that just becomes normal, right? We don't think anything special of it because it's always good, it'll always be good and there's no reason for us to even consider that things wouldn't be good at some point. So it's not as valuable as if good things were less frequent.
37:53 <Nothing\> we would just experience good things to the point we become numb to it
38:34 <TheDude> I disagree with you
38:34 <Nothing\> like if you watched that episode of the simpsons where grandpa inherits a whole bunch of money from his girlfriend who dies but he finds no matter what he does with the money he's just bored of it.
38:48 <TheDude> I'm not talking about constant dopamine hits
39:04 <Nothing\> oh okay yeah i'm talking like everything's 100% unrealistically perfect
39:27 <TheDude> wars don't need to happen and people don't need to senselessly die for us to enjoy a calm summer evening
39:48 <Nothing\> TheDude, one thing i've noticed though is that the people who have harder lives seem to actually be happier, especially with what they have, than people who are well off.
39:50 <TheDude> "ooh, this is so much better because there is suffering around me here and there"
40:04 <TheDude> well yes
40:18 <TheDude> there is a sense of accomplishment in doing difficult things
40:19 <Nothing\> like i've watched documentaries from indian slums like Dharavi. And the people are so much happier. I look at them and I actually envy them in a way for that happiness.
40:33 <Nothing\> TheDude, no it's deeper than that
40:46 <TheDude> and not having constant dopamine hits of getting new things is going to make the rare occasion when you do get something new much better
41:18 <Nothing\> TheDude, actually one theory (of many) as to what brings us joy is that it's novelty
41:30 <Nothing\> although there was a big asterisk to that which i can never remember
42:11 <Nothing\> it was from a series of psych lectures i watched years ago. I should really watch those again they were really interesting.
42:16 <arch> T3sl4, sure. also, it seems your site does not have a http to https redirect in place: https://paste.ee/p/YYSyg#AhqEGoXxaUL0vRwc85At0hCth5QHrhYb
42:17 <EEVBot> [Title] - 	Paste.ee - View paste YYSyg
42:21 <Nothing\> I like psychology because it's like a manual for your mind
42:44 <Nothing\> i always lament how i was thrown into this mind and body with no manual for how to use it but psych's as close as we'll get
42:50 <TheDude> yeah, but I dislike the part that it's not an exact science
43:00 <Nothing\> who said that?
43:05 <Nothing\> of course it's a science
43:05 <TheDude> I did, just now
43:10 <rust_collector> me too
43:13 <Nothing\> well that doesn't make it true
43:19 <TheDude> I'm saying "EXACT science"
43:27 <Nothing\> so, pseudoscience
43:43 <TheDude> you can apply scientific methods to researching psychology
43:53 <T3sl4> i don't know how https upgrade is supposed to work. forced redirect means old browsers don't work. i can't test it because chrome automatically upgrades it, even without Https Everywhere running
43:56 <TheDude> but results are not likely to be very repeatable
44:48 <Nothing\> i guess
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45:10 <TheDude> but I'm not saying that it's bullshit, either
45:15 * electrohead bops in
45:26 <TheDude> people that work in advertising know all too well that it does, in fact, work
45:42 * T3sl4 twists electrohead
48:50 * arch films
03:35 * electrohead films himself for a change
03:49 <T3sl4> eww
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07:54 <Nothing\> lol i almost wanna tear down my new function gen
08:01 <Nothing\> i have a problem with teardowns though
08:10 <Nothing\> see the teardown part always goes fine
08:17 <Nothing\> but putting it back together rarely does
09:58 <Nothing\> although that's usually for stuff i don't care about. But even thinking about things I've fixed, I'd always end up missing a spring or a screw or something and it'd end up with some weird quirk. Like fixing a button on my mouse and i lost a spring on my scroll wheel so it didn't click when i rolled it anymore, it just rolled freely. Which holy crap you don't realize how important that tactile sensation of a mousewheel
09:59 <Nothing\> it is but it makes a huge difference.
11:35 <Nothing\> heh i should make a troll mouse with all of the haptic feedback mechanisms removed
12:05 <Nothing\> i was thinking too some day when i get metal working gear i want to make some reverse threaded screws to mess with people
12:13 <Nothing\> or reverse threaded taps
13:19 <Nothing\> hrm guess i should take my function gen for a spin
14:21 <Nothing\> or better yet, maybe i should read about them first. Make sure there aren't any traps for new players that could potentially blow the thing up. Like the ground lead on a scope.
16:15 <Nothing\> screw it, i'll just make some sort of water pump in algodoo
16:25 <Nothing\> this damn thing keeps drawing me back to it
34:16 <Nothing\> what the hell?
34:33 <Nothing\> the prongs on the plug for the power adapter on my function generator have no holes in them
34:54 <Nothing\> i've NEVER seen a plug with no holes in the prongs. It looks so... cheap and unnatural.
35:31 <Nothing\> and i've also gotta wonder wtf the female end is going to grab onto to make sure the plug doesn't slip out
35:48 <Nothing\> i'm sure the holes were probably for some sort of retention mechanism
37:42 <Nothing\> i am error
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57:38 * jaymax cold boots Nothing\ 
00:44 <jaymax> https://chat.chinwag.im/files/46328772-e815-45d2-8113-7712f63841a3/RI7mDa2WQvi_brMzHuThgQ.jpg
00:46 * jaymax beers electrohead
13:22 * electrohead chugs it
13:26 <T3sl4> Halcyon: your worst nightmare https://www.reddit.com/r/shittyfoodporn/comments/ujpcqd/foodporn_sub_said_sfw_so_please_accept_what_i/ though given the wrapper art, i assume they have items that would be more to your liking as well. truly a place of contrasts
13:28 <EEVBot> [Title] - Reddit - Dive into anything
13:31 <electrohead> also, that looks like fun, heh
14:30 <electrohead> T3sl4: food vaginer?
14:55 <T3sl4> give it a lick
20:20 <electrohead> *sings* it's beginning to look a lot like syphilis, alllll around, my nose
22:35 <Ysjoelfir> why did you have to stick your nose into infested holes again?
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00:17 * electrohead shrugs
01:35 <electrohead> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQ_FlKbum7g
01:36 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: John Valby (dirty christmas songs) Its begining to look ...
01:45 <electrohead> it's not john valby's voice, but that's the song I had in mind
01:47 <electrohead> lol
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27:56 <Nothing\> found a neat video by curious droid
27:57 <Nothing\> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoIPyjAw7rQ
27:58 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: The Worlds Most Powerful Electric Motors
28:05 <Nothing\> i mean, they're all neat but this one's especially apropos
28:43 <Nothing\> speaking of, how many "big" words like apropos have you guys learned from linux or just CS in general. Words which can be applied to other situations besides just CS.
28:47 <Nothing\> like redundant
28:57 <Nothing\> or i dunno truncate
29:48 <Nothing\> heh i should do a google Ngram of the word button and see how much its use in literature went up since the 1950s
39:42 <DHess_US> I learned words like sanguine from playing Everquest.
43:01 <arch> i learned words like "hentai" from chinese cartoons
43:26 * arch slaps T3sl4 with a wet tentacle
48:52 <Nothing\> heh DHess_US i learned a lot of words and just general knowledge from The Simpsons
49:17 <Nothing\> like that in Rand MacNally, they wear hats on their feet and hamburgers eat people
50:06 <Nothing\> so apparently they've come up with another type of diode based on quantum mechanics
50:20 <Nothing\> well, not that they aren't all. But more directly i mean
50:44 <Nothing\> the josephson diode. Which seems to have a josephson junction sandwiched between two semiconductors as i understand it
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51:35 <Nothing\> i'm not sure how but i know josephson junctions have been used in quantum computers and to standardize the volt. So it's interesting they would make a diode from them.
52:12 <Nothing\> still need to find out how they work. I'm determined to be at least somewhat familiar with as many types of diodes as i can
53:54 <Nothing\> it's hard to find such information unless yo uspecifically search for the type of diode, though. If you just search something like "types of diodes" you always get these little "tutorials" that give you at most, one paragraph descriptions of maybe 5 of the most commonly used diodes.
54:39 <Nothing\> i try to avoid those sites but they're all chock full of ads by google so of course they're the first thing that comes up whenever you search anything related to electronics
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10:51 <Ysjoelfir> so, since this is going to become an insomniistic night, what should I do?
11:24 <rust_collector> learn to play bagpipe
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23:32 <Ysjoelfir> I wanted to do that with the old misses, so... no. I might try hurdy gurdy though
24:12 <rust_collector> yes! if you can not sleep, at least keep your neighbors entertained
28:26 <jaymax> https://chat.chinwag.im/files/0d85dd58-bf1f-4f60-9f87-47e85f615c55/itnVHhoeQN-VpOcaNm3DbA.jpg
40:04 <Nothing\> Ysjoelfir, maybe think of a 1 night project to make
40:47 <Nothing\> i'm not sure of your skills or niches so i can't suggest what but i'm sure you could come up with something if that's what you're in the mood for
41:25 <Nothing\> personally i'd probably spend it remediating on stuff i've learned or been learning
41:44 <Nothing\> maybe read EE or CS
41:52 <Nothing\> but that's not leisure for some heh
42:43 <Nothing\> i would agree with rust_collector's idea to learn an instrument but that's a bit more than a one night commitment. Despite what YouTube channels and "Learn X skill in 24 hours" books will lead you to believe
43:19 <rust_collector> I suggest figuring out how to program an arduino with cobol
43:20 <T3sl4> arch: https://i.imgur.com/U1O071q.png
43:24 <Nothing\> WTF $500 for a steam deck?
43:26 <Nothing\> what a ripoff
43:38 <Nothing\> especially since i haven't even seen/heard anything about them outside of steam
43:50 <Nothing\> i wouldn't even know they were a thing if not for my steam account
44:41 <Nothing\> rust_collector, lol i actually very briefly looked into COBOL once. I lived in a town of like 1,500 people and the library had a book on it but it was well beyond my skill level
45:33 <Nothing\> i just remember that certain statements had to be a certain number of spaces from the start of the line and others had to be a different number. it probably made more sense on punch cards.
45:45 <rust_collector> so, you went for awk in stead?
46:16 <Nothing\> rust_collector, heh i saw a project the other day where a guy hacked a pregnancy tests's monochrome lcd display to play doom on it
46:36 <rust_collector> yes, it has been around for a while now
46:41 <Nothing\> which i dunno if it was real doom or just some port he made for whatever setup he was using. Probably the latter. Or maybe that port for the TI-86
47:39 <Nothing\> man they chose a really confusing convention for the frequency on this function gen
48:12 <Nothing\> the format is something like 15'500'000.00
48:40 <Nothing\> which you expect ' to mean minutes in the context of frequency but they just used 's in place of ,s to separate groups of 3 digits
48:55 <Nothing\> angular minutes that is
50:05 <Nothing\> i just thought it was unusual that it would have you set the angular frequency and that it should be precise down to hundredths of an arc second
51:37 <arch> T3sl4, https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/471/984/3ef.png
51:59 <T3sl4> ^
52:18 <arch> a true weeb will always find a jojo meme for any situation
56:18 <electrohead> No, you're a towel.
56:20 <electrohead> I mean, hey o/
57:48 <Nothing\> once i knew this kid who needed a blood transfusion but he didn't like blood so they gave him applejuice and in the fall he changed colours and fell out of a tree and died
01:09 <Nothing\> Using the Clausius-Mossotti relation, the calculated intrinsic dielectric constant should be 49.[3] However, CCTO exhibits a dielectric constant upwards of 10,200 at 1 MHz, with a low loss tangent until approximately 300 °C.
01:11 <Nothing\> :o
01:32 <Nothing\> OVER 9000!
01:38 <Nothing\> sorry i couldn't help myself
01:48 <Nothing\> but holy crap that's high
02:26 <Nothing\> being a titanium compound though it's probably not very ductile
14:40 <Nothing\> i was just thinking, in regards to UFOs. Somebody needs to set up like 1,000-10,000 HD infrared cameras pointing at the sky 24/7 to watch for anything of interest. I mean it can't be THAT much for HD IR cameras these days, probably a couple hundred in bulk like that. And whether they do pick up something of interest or not I think the results would still be interesting.
16:00 <Nothing\> but you get say 10,000 eyes staring at the sky 24/7. Make an AI algorithm and train it on existing ufo video interspersed with fake videos and videos of regular planes and stuff like that to teach it what's interesting. Then you could gradually add more and more cameras to the system as you get more money.
16:10 <Nothing\> i'm just thinking out loud but i think that would be a neat idea
16:21 <Nothing\> i'm not saying they're aliens
16:26 <Nothing\> but they're aliens
17:07 <Nothing\> lol no. I don't think they're aliens but I have seen some wonky things myself that I can't explain with anything I know of so I have an interest in at least figuring out what that was.
17:15 <Nothing\> my money would be on test aircraft
17:47 <Nothing\> it's the best thing that fits. Even though nothing comes close to being able to do what i saw.
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40:09 <Ysjoelfir> haaa, this insomnia is so nice
40:14 <Ampera> WOOOO
40:16 <Ampera> INSOMNIA
40:17 * Ampera sneezes
40:27 <Ampera> how are you doing Ysjoelfir
40:45 * Ysjoelfir hands Ampera a handkerchief
40:56 <Ysjoelfir> I am doing pretty good, enjoying the free time, kind of.
41:16 <Ampera> isn't free time pretty expensive over there?
41:19 * T3sl4 stuffs a bunny into Ampera's nose
52:00 <Ysjoelfir> it is. but since I am unemployed since 7 days that is fine, its not a big loss
52:10 <Ampera> just 7?
52:14 <Ampera> I thought you got canned ages ago
55:59 <Ysjoelfir> yes, but it took effect 7 days ago
56:08 <Ysjoelfir> the canning happened end of march
56:12 <Ysjoelfir> for end of april
56:37 <Ampera> so were they actually paying you up until then?
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59:59 <Halcyon> Hey all
00:03 * Halcyon licks Ampera
03:01 <Ysjoelfir> sure. over here you have 4 weeks between getting suspended and getting the announcement for that
03:08 <Ysjoelfir> hi Hercion
07:59 <Ampera> lol
08:07 <Ampera> here most employers can kick you out that day
10:18 <Halcyon> Hello Ysjoelfir
10:48 <Ysjoelfir> good thing that we are civilised ;P
11:15 * Ampera kisses Halcyon 
13:17 <Halcyon> YAY
13:35 <Ampera> how are you doing Halcyon
13:43 <Halcyon> I'm doing OK, how are you?
13:51 <Ampera> playing with my favorite operating system a bit
14:04 <Halcyon> Windows 2000 ?
14:10 <Ampera> FreeBSD
19:21 <Halcyon> I might go have a little nap
25:55 <Ysjoelfir> do that for me as well pls
14:23 <steve30> http://www.webuyanycat.com
14:24 <EEVBot> [Title] - Move your moggy with webuyanycat.com
20:01 * steve30 needs to try and get a couple of hours sleep
53:32 <Ysjoelfir> I tried that before, steve30
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37:39 <steve30> sleeping, or selling cats?
37:40 <steve30> :)
38:44 <Halcyon> Stupid cats
39:04 <Ysjoelfir> sleeping
39:07 <Ysjoelfir> I didn't succeed
39:17 * steve30 paws at Halcyon 
40:35 * Halcyon puts the cat in Schrodinger's box
40:52 <steve30> Halcyon, I've been watching Heartbeat recently, and couldn't help but wonder, when did the police stop saying "Your nicked!" in favour of reading rights out?
41:14 <Halcyon> Hahahaha, as far as I know we never used the word "nicked", that's a UK thing
45:19 <Kuschelpony> good saturday
45:43 <Halcyon> T3sl4: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SO5gNrshAaM
45:44 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Cockatiel Singing Tequila
45:48 <Ysjoelfir> good early preevening Kuschelpony
45:52 <Halcyon> Hello Kuschelpony
46:13 <Kuschelpony> hmm interesting convoluted time concept :)
46:14 <T3sl4> good preeningving Halcyon
46:24 <T3sl4> Halcyon: your worst nightmare https://www.reddit.com/r/shittyfoodporn/comments/ujpcqd/foodporn_sub_said_sfw_so_please_accept_what_i/ though given the wrapper art, i assume they have items that would be more to your liking as well. truly a place of contrasts
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46:29 <Halcyon> :D
46:58 <Halcyon> Bahahaha
47:00 <Halcyon> Gross
47:04 <Kuschelpony> hmm... https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/what-ever-happened-to-tv-technicians/msg4160131/
47:05 <EEVBot> [Title] - What ever happened to TV technicians? - Page 1
47:35 <Kuschelpony> if you want to know the answer, they are now the grumpy old mans yelling at the clouds, and here in the chatroom
47:40 <Ysjoelfir> interesting topic, I will contribute to that
49:23 <Kuschelpony> on a more positive side, had today morning the first interesting repair of my gear for this year
49:45 <Kuschelpony> a cassette tape deck randomly stopping
50:24 <Halcyon> Kuschelpony: https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/old-man-yells-at-cloud
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51:33 <Kuschelpony> there was an somewhat not easy to spot reset circuit that essentially was an capacitor that was through an dioe in paralell to the "stop" key to set it in stop mode when powering up, and this capacitor had an intermittend short
01:07 <Ysjoelfir> that sounds like a nasty fault, in terms of finding it
03:24 <Kuschelpony> finding it was relatively easy, as soon as i discovered the occassional spikes at the input of the fliflop
04:09 <Kuschelpony> but the capacitor was neither located on the logic board, nor on the keyboard, but on an "diverse flatcables join here for routing around" board
05:10 <Kuschelpony> you know that "origami" of several tiny boards where cables enter from 3 or 4 directions at 90° angles and are routed over the boards instead of folding the cables itself
05:41 <Ysjoelfir> eww. that is nasty
05:54 <Kuschelpony> that was very common in the 80s and 90s
06:03 <Ysjoelfir> I know, and I hated it
06:18 <Kuschelpony> oh understood...
07:21 <Kuschelpony> i didnnt use that Denon tapedeck for years, but wanted to slowly set up everything again because is still have lots of random cassettes with recordings from 30 years ago that i want one day to digitalize
07:57 <Ysjoelfir> I just recently wanted to fix my Grundig CF5200. but I would need to buy two new gears which I just can't afford right now
09:19 <Kuschelpony> oh ok
09:40 <Kuschelpony> these yellowish rubbery plastic gears that are known to messy disintegrate?
09:53 <Ysjoelfir> exactly those
10:10 <Ysjoelfir> quite interesting how hard plastics can turn into mush over time
11:49 <Kuschelpony> they never were hard plastic
12:09 <Ysjoelfir> well... harder than mush
12:11 <Kuschelpony> it was a weird kind of rubberized plastic, and that disintegrated
12:26 <Kuschelpony> was incompatible from the beginning
12:52 <Ysjoelfir> Max should be ashamed
13:10 <Kuschelpony> i have only faint memories from my days as service technican but i have some memories that some gears from model train locomotoves did fit
14:14 <Ysjoelfir> oh? I should research that. I also found them on ebay, but I can't afford the 25€ + shipping atm
15:51 <Kuschelpony> they are basicaly standard gears in if i remember right, module 0,5 teeth size,
17:27 <Ysjoelfir> probably. I assume I could also just print them
20:33 <Kuschelpony> that would require an 3d printer built for smal precision parts
21:06 <Ysjoelfir> when I slow mine down it can do that pretty good actually
21:11 <Kuschelpony> fdm can do this with 250µ nozzles and there are very tough material available, but common printers are set up for speed and large volume
21:58 <Kuschelpony> i did make in past years several LEGO-compatible gears with special arrangements
22:25 <Kuschelpony> that was about the limit what goes well with standard printers and 400µ nozzle
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09:14 <Ysjoelfir> why did I know that tggzzz will be one of the people answering that topic? XD
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29:01 * jaymax "caffeinates" https://www.zerohedge.com/commodities/50-million-cocaine-found-nespresso-factory
29:27 * K pancakes - https://imgur.com/a/Xrx6e7A
30:00 <jaymax> Nice
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34:30 <K> fresh.
35:12 <Ysjoelfir> yep
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01:56 <jaymax> https://chat.chinwag.im/files/1c6d15d9-d8b1-4c6c-9cd2-1891ff472743/3xTBlS_NRHGYTVn0i1vCgA.jpg
09:50 <K> noice
10:47 <jaymax> Baked those sourdough scones last night. Addictive AF.
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