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02:55 <Nothing\> Δ_Δ
03:08 <Nothing\> wait, wait
03:17 <Nothing\> ^ ^
03:19 <Nothing\> Δ_Δ
04:04 <rust_collector> didn't Ampera tell you to not post porn here?
04:12 <Nothing\> oops
04:20 <Nothing\> speaking of porn, you ever see deaf porn?
04:22 <Ampera> /ban Nothing\ forever
04:26 <Nothing\> holy crap is that a cacophony
04:28 <Ampera> well you can't hear it
04:34 <Nothing\> oh no, you can
04:36 <Nothing\> very much so
04:40 <Ampera> not very deaf isn't it then'
04:48 <rust_collector> lol
04:51 <Nothing\> it sounds like a mentally handicapped person being bludgeoned to death
04:56 <Nothing\> and i'm not even being hypobolic lol
05:07 <Ampera> oh, I can imagine that, I've heard your voice before
05:14 <Nothing\> lol
05:17 <Nothing\> touche
05:24 <Nothing\> you should hear it now that i'm sick
05:33 <Nothing\> it's gone even worse than before
06:00 <Nothing\> actually i realized my voice has become more gravely the last decade or so which i'm not a fan of
06:09 <coppice> I've seen deaf people get excited about non-sexual things and have to be reminded to tone down the noise for others
06:23 <Nothing\> coppice, yeah it's a similar noise to be sure
07:12 <Nothing\> i've never actually known anyone deaf. Though from what i hear it's actually a pretty severe handicap in terms of development and mental capacity because it limits their ability to learn properly
07:28 <Nothing\> especially before there were efforts made to make things more accessible for deaf people
08:26 <coppice> In the UK we have things called ASBOs - anti-social behaviour orders - which get served against people persistently being unreasonable to their neighbours. It seems quite a few of those are for people who keep their neighbours awake with loud sex.
08:26 <Nothing\> there was a really interesting interview i remember seeing with a deaf guy where he talked about growing up in an adopted home, his parents never got closed captioning or tried to explain anything when they watched stuff on tv and they never really tried to include him in other conversations and stuff like that and it wound up really hurting his intellectual development
08:44 <Nothing\> then he got access to some more i guess deaf-friendly resources and flourished
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09:43 <coppice> Nothing\: if you are adopting its something you choose to do. Why would you adopt a deaf person and not accommodate their needs?
10:10 <Nothing\> coppice, so what? you call the cops for a noise complaint and they serve the people with this order that what? asks them if they "wouldn't mind terribly keeping it down a bit as it's quite late and people must work in the morning"?
10:31 <Nothing\> coppice, that's a good point actually i didn't even consider that
10:43 <Nothing\> or maybe they didn't know he was deaf at the time. Maybe he was an infant or newborn
11:08 <Nothing\> i mean it's pretty easy to tell if you're testing for it. Just clap or make a sound and see if they start. But not many people do that to a baby on purpose.
11:27 <Nothing\> or maybe deaf babies cry different...
11:32 <Nothing\> i wonder how that would work
11:33 <Nothing\> huh
11:35 <coppice> Its amazing how resistant people are to accepting their own baby is deaf. My mother lost a friend for a while by telling her she should get her toddler's hearing tested. Later, the mother realised my mum was right, and apologised profusely.
11:55 <coppice> Nothing\: they can be fined or jailed for disobeying those orders
12:08 <Ampera> It's alright to be an asshole in denial, but it's never okay to be incorrect.
12:40 <Nothing\> coppice, i had a feeling it was something to that effect but i didn't think jail. Jail would be appropriate I think if they were being especially egregious but if somebody here was put in jail for a noise complaint, i guarantee the news would blow it out of context.
12:54 <coppice> Nothing\: Its an order. Not a polite request. They start out with the polite requests before it escalates to an order.
13:19 <Nothing\> like all of those videos the BLM movement posts of black people being assaulted by police, where the video doesn't show the black guy assaulting the police or coming at them with a weapon 15 seconds before it started
14:29 <Nothing\> coppice, that's a good tactic i think. Easy as it is to poke fun at British... class I guess you'd call it? One of if not the most important job the police have is to de-escalate situations and that's a pretty good way to at least mitigate escalation in the first place
14:30 <coppice> Nothing\: you have to be a serious arsehole to actually end up in jail for an ASBO. I think its usually fines.
14:44 <Nothing\> coppice, oh you'd be surprised
15:10 <rust_collector> see it as an alternative to paying for prostitutes.
15:19 <Nothing\> i mean, this is the place where people torch enough woodlands to cover a sizeable portion of their country in smoke just to tell their friends if their baby's going to be a boy or a girl
15:54 <Nothing\> rust_collector, you mean an escort?
15:55 <Nothing\> lol
16:10 <Nothing\> i never got how escorts are legal and actually in the phone book, but prostitutes aren't.
16:17 <rust_collector> call it what you want, you get to have sex and pay
16:22 <Nothing\> I guess with an escort the sex isn't implied exactly is it?
16:27 <Nothing\> or it probably depends on the service
16:55 <coppice> Nothing\: bcause the escorts don't actually advertise their full range of services.
16:56 <Nothing\> i considered a place like that once. Or at least a massage parlor. But I decided I'd just be happier to have a wank and keep my $50
17:10 <Nothing\> coppice, i guess that's it.
17:20 <Nothing\> it's more advertised as a dating service
17:26 <Nothing\> or "keep you company" service
17:41 <Nothing\> which, if that was really what they did imagine how many seniors would use those places
17:42 <coppice> "Dine, fuck, and donate to a good cause."
17:55 <Nothing\> then again i can't really speak for their key demographics
18:01 <Nothing\> i would imagine young males
18:07 <Nothing\> 18-25
18:20 <Nothing\> oh wait what was the acronym
18:35 <Nothing\> i learned a new one today for privileged white people, WEIRD just trying to remember how it goes
19:48 <Nothing\> White, Educated, ... ... ... i've gotta look this up but it was from an article that was talking about that study saying how outdoors helps with depression and that and how that and many other studies focused pretty much purely on this group of people and doesn't apply to people in other cultures or social situations
21:00 <coppice> My wife likes to have massages. She came home one day after going to a new place in Shenzhen with a friend, and described the strange experience. When we all said that was really a brothel, and they had to actually give them a massage not to break their cover, she was naive enough to still have trouble accepting it.
21:55 <Nothing\> haha
22:06 <coppice> How they could walk in, have a quick look around, and not realise the place was for them I have no idea.
22:12 <Nothing\> just don't tell her how many men had spooged on the towel she used
22:44 <Nothing\> i swear they knew what they were doing when they named the journal PNAS
22:55 <Nothing\> i mean it's not PNIS but it's close enough
23:36 <Nothing\> dammit i can't find this paper about the WEIRD acronym and study bias
24:25 <Nothing\> oh yeah i guess the LHC got some new upgrade and just restarted with record breaking energy levels
24:51 <Nothing\> 13TeV apparently
25:03 <Nothing\> wasn't the original just over 1 or 2 or something like that?
25:10 <Nothing\> i can't remember it was so long ago
25:37 <Nothing\> plus i know it can accelerate either protons or lead nucleii so that probably depends on what's being accelerated
25:43 <Kuschelpony> i predict they fail again to destroy earth and ask for more funds to increase the energy level again
26:08 <Nothing\> lol i think they're a long way from destroying earth
26:17 <Nothing\> whether by black hole or strangelet or some other phenomenon
26:22 <Nothing\> oh wait
26:27 <Nothing\> maybe it already happened in 2012
26:43 <Nothing\> that's why the world's falling apart. We're in hell.
26:57 <Nothing\> how does the saying go...
27:17 <Nothing\> "If you're afraid of dying, and you're holdin' on, you'll see devils tearin' your life away. But if you've made your peace, then the devils are really angels, freein' you from the world. It all depends on how you look at it."
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27:48 <Nothing> lol damn d/cs
27:58 <Nothing> dunno if that quote made it
28:01 <Nothing> "If you're afraid of dying, and you're holdin' on, you'll see devils tearin' your life away. But if you've made your peace, then the devils are really angels, freein' you from the world. It all depends on how you look at it."
28:06 <rust_collector> are you saying politicians are angels, if you look at it like that?
28:16 <Nothing> rust_collector, i suppose so lol
28:29 <Nothing> yeah, the stalinists were angels freeing the proles
28:34 <Nothing> hey actually
28:42 <Nothing> the nazis DID say Work is Freedom
28:57 <Nothing> see, it's making sense
29:45 <rust_collector> I still think it is interesting that someone managed to steal that sign
30:09 <Nothing> i'd turn it into a coffee table
30:16 <Nothing> best conversation piece EVER
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31:25 <Nothing> lol that reminds me of a story i saw in the news liek 15 years ago where some goth kids exhumed a corpse from the cematary and turned its skull into a bong
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31:44 <Nothing\> that was a bit longer than 121 seconds
32:15 <Nothing\> or maybe the server pings every 121 seconds so it had to wait for the next ping, plus the timeout time
34:16 <Nothing\> hey, question about my function gen
34:27 <Nothing\> would it handle it fine if i connected both channels in series?
34:38 <Nothing\> or would it be better to just use a mixer circuit
35:12 <DHess_US> neither
35:17 <Nothing\> no?
35:29 <Nothing\> so if i wanted to combine 2 sine waves what would you propose?
35:34 <DHess_US> I think you mean in parallel, and a mixer multiplies instead of adding.
35:35 <Kuschelpony> what exactly do you want to get?
35:36 <Nothing\> which is basically what i was thinking
35:48 <Nothing\> DHess_US, ahh okay
35:57 <Nothing\> Kuschelpony, just the sum of two sines
36:07 <DHess_US> You can put them in parallel, but without isolation the signal from one will cause distortion in the other.
36:16 <Kuschelpony> then you best use a passive summer, so two resistors
36:29 <Nothing\> DHess_US, so would a common mode choke be appropriate for that?
36:38 <Kuschelpony> nothing, not really
36:42 <DHess_US> One method to provide isolation is to use a summing amplifier, which can be made with an inverting amplifier with two inputs.
36:48 <Nothing\> good to know Kuschelpony
37:01 <Nothing\> oh yeah i've made summing amps before
37:09 <Kuschelpony> then make one more :)
37:23 <DHess_US> Another method is to pad both channels and then place them in parallel.
37:28 <Nothing\> actually the lm358's datashete has a diagram for one. Has diagrams for tons of basic op amp circuits actually it's a real treasure trove.
37:40 <Nothing\> page 1 has a VCO circuit
37:47 <DHess_US> That attenuates the outputs, but since there is twice the attenuation between them, it works to also isolate them.
38:12 <Nothing\> Kuschelpony, i actually got an idea for a superior temperature sensing system to what a thermostat uses for your home
38:54 <Nothing\> it would just use a sensor in each room that goes off to a summing amp, then to a voltage divider to get the average temperature of all of the rooms
39:18 <Nothing\> then controls the furnace based on that. Rather than the temperature just in your living room.
39:57 <Nothing\> and you could probably just use bluetooth to transmit the data to a cheap mcu
40:13 <Nothing\> so you don't have wires running from one room to the next and all about
40:23 <Nothing\> or even just use LORA boards or something i dunno
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40:41 <Nothing\> dammit. Talkin to a ghost this whole time.
40:51 <Nothing\> lol story of my life
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41:08 <Nothing\> Kuschelpony, how much of that did you get? lol i didn't realize you were d/ced
42:48 <Nothing\> oooh this random book i came across on my sdd sounds good
42:52 <Kuschelpony> i had a connection loss, what did i miss
42:57 <Nothing\> The Behavior of Lower Organisms
44:00 <Nothing\> Kuschelpony, i was saying i was actually thinking of designing a new type of thermostat based on a summing amp where it would have a temp sensor in each room that goes off to a summing amp, whose output is divided by a resistive voltage divider to give the average temperature and then use THAT as the control for the furnace instead of the temperature in just the living room.
44:18 <Nothing\> use some sort of wireless system like bluetooth or LORA to transmit the data
44:24 <Kuschelpony> yes understood
44:49 <Kuschelpony> but i worry you end up with some rooms not warm enough on average
44:51 <Nothing\> seems like that should give you an average voltage
44:59 <Nothing\> yeah
45:13 <Kuschelpony> right it gives average voltage
45:27 <rust_collector> I prefer to just remove all doors inside, and let the air move around.
45:28 <Nothing\> or in the case of my townhouse, the one room isn't well insulated in the ceiling so it's always about 15c in the winter while the rest of the house is more like 25c
45:32 <Nothing\> yes i like it warm
45:55 <Kuschelpony> ok, im the opposite as i wish my bedroom would have less than 25°C
46:07 <Kuschelpony> living under the roof with damaged isolation
46:12 <Nothing\> lol i actually keep my room at 80-82f while i sleep which in c is... 27-28c
46:14 <Nothing\> lol
46:36 <Kuschelpony> ooof thats sauna hot for me
46:50 <Nothing\> 25-26c is my awake and doing stuff temperature. But that's probably because I don't wear clothes. I just lounge in my boxers because clothes feel too restrictive
46:52 <Kuschelpony> for me <18 is optimal
47:03 <Ysjoelfir> I always knew you are crazy... but THAT crazy? 30c at night, omg
47:05 <Kuschelpony> oh i also wear not many clothes at home
47:11 <Nothing\> haha Ysjoelfir
47:29 <Nothing\> weird thing is, every time i check my body temp if it's normal, it's like 36-36.5
47:35 <Nothing\> never anywhere near 37
47:49 <Nothing\> and my resting heart rate's like 50-55
47:53 <Ysjoelfir> I am literally going berserk because of this apartment being constantly 22C no matter what I do
47:55 <Nothing\> so i think my metabolism's just really slow
48:22 <Nothing\> Ysjoelfir, lol i actually do get hot flashes from my meds so once in a while i'll have to stick my head outside if it's winter, or in front of the a/c
48:31 <Nothing\> and thank god for a/c i dunno how i got on without it before
48:46 <rust_collector> ac... heh
49:04 <Nothing\> actually i was relatively fine. It was just the days when the heat index went up to 40c that no amount of fans would help me. But otherwise as long as i had a fan on me i was comfy
49:19 <rust_collector> heat index
49:29 <Nothing\> once you hit 40c though, everything feels warm to the touch. I remember even my desk and my cement floor felt warm
49:43 <rust_collector> do you know why that is?
49:54 <Nothing\> rust_collector, humidex is what they call it here. I dunno it has a different name everywhere. It's the temperature it feels like when you account for humidity
50:04 <Nothing\> or going the other way it would be the windchill
50:10 <rust_collector> yes, it is stupid.
50:27 <rust_collector> the temp is the temp
50:33 <Nothing\> it is because that's what everyone always quotes when they talk about summer temperatures, but they won't tell you
50:43 <Nothing\> they'll just say "hey it's supposed to be 37 tomorrow"
50:56 <Nothing\> then you check the weather and it says 29 but FEELS LIKE 37
51:22 <Nothing\> cuz like i said, it's real humid here on account of the great lakes so we always get really hot humid summers
51:25 <rust_collector> I can see why you people over there have your issues
51:34 <Nothing\> rust_collector, what latitude are you at there?
51:39 <Nothing\> 50something?
51:42 <rust_collector> 59, IIrc
51:47 <Nothing\> that far? wow
52:06 <rust_collector> yes, it is pretty far south
52:12 <Nothing\> still i bet with the ocean currents your summers are relatively mild
52:25 <Nothing\> especially if you compare it with some place landlocked like siberia of a similar latitude
52:55 <Nothing\> rust_collector, i realized where we are here in canada is about as far south as the northern border of california
52:56 <rust_collector> sure, it is not often we get long periods of more than 25-30
53:30 <rust_collector> and by that, I mean 25 to 30, not some made up number
53:40 <Nothing\> rust_collector, what city should i look up climate data for to get an idea of what yours' is like?
53:46 <Nothing\> ie the nearest large city
53:48 <Nothing\> "large"
53:55 <Nothing\> i'm just curious
54:16 <Nothing\> i know wikipedia has those charts with average climate data for each month when you look up a city. I always like those.
54:33 <rust_collector> there is only one "city" in norway.... some large towns..
54:53 <rust_collector> you can look up... tønsberg
55:11 <Nothing\> that reminds me. The weather netwokr here has a graph where it shows the forecast for the next 2 weeks, which i say is bullshit because i don't think they can predict weather very well more than 5 days ahead. So I wanted to take a screengrab of each graph every day and compare them
55:18 <Nothing\> rust_collector, will do, thanks
55:37 <Nothing\> rust_collector, heh the only thing that was coming to mind was svalbard but i think that's an island way up north isn't it?
55:42 <Nothing\> if it's even part of norway
55:50 <rust_collector> could be that you want to read a bit about that town also, it is pretty old
55:59 <Nothing\> oh of course
56:03 <Nothing\> that's a given
56:11 <Nothing\> what the piss
56:23 <Nothing\> i just downloaded this thing a week ago and it already wants to update
56:25 <Nothing\> leave me alone
56:28 <Nothing\> lel
56:46 <Nothing\> won't even let me open the update window so i've just gotta close it anyways
56:48 <rust_collector> it is an island way up there. and I am not really sure if it is really norwegian as such, but we do control it. it is weird
57:28 <Nothing\> rust_collector, just looking at the first picture of it on the wiki article it's a beautiful city
57:42 <Nothing\> i love church architecture. As wasteful as it is
57:48 <Nothing\> it's still a beauty to admire.
58:05 <Nothing\> Ukrainian Orthodox has some nice churches.
58:19 <rust_collector> iIrc, there was meetings about who would "own" svalbard, and they agreed that we would control it, but... I am not sure if it is actually norwegian as such
58:29 <Nothing\> heh i've actually set foot in the very first cathedral ever built in North America
58:47 <rust_collector> oh yes, that one from 1935?
58:50 <Nothing\> it was either in or near Santo Domingo in Dominican Republic
58:59 <rust_collector> oh, cool
59:06 <Nothing\> rust_collector, i'd have to see the year i'm not even sure the name
59:37 <Nothing\> 1550
59:40 <Nothing\> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basilica_Cathedral_of_Santa_Mar%C3%ADa_la_Menor
59:41 <EEVBot> [Title] - Basilica Cathedral of Santa María la Menor - Wikipedia
59:59 <Nothing\> i also toured one of the homes of Christopher Columbus
00:09 <Nothing\> but i was 13 at the time so i didn't know any better
00:22 <rust_collector> this is my local real church. we have a closer one, but that is like a kindergarden/office building https://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borre_kirke
00:23 <EEVBot> [Title] - Borre kirke – Wikipedia
01:20 <Nothing\> dominican can't be a very big country though. I remember we took a bus from the north side of the island, and this is on the opposite south end and it only took maybe 3 hours to get there
01:45 <Nothing\> rust_collector, damn dude even for mundane buildings you guys have beautiful architecture
01:56 <Nothing\> what do you call that style
02:07 <rust_collector> roman
02:10 <Nothing\> that sort of bulgarian looking style
02:16 <Nothing\> ah yeah that would make sense
02:19 <Nothing\> a lot of sense
02:44 <Nothing\> it pretty much prevaded all of europe not just bulgaria, didn't it
02:53 <rust_collector> I like it, because the walls are so incredibly thick, and all stone.
02:58 <rust_collector> I think it did
03:00 <Nothing\> thinking on it, I can see such buildings in Tudor England
03:13 <Nothing\> is it stone? huh
03:53 <Nothing\> i always thought most things were waddle and daub back then but i guess not the stuff you actually want to stand for more than 1 year
04:00 <rust_collector> look at that window....hole https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0b/BORRE_KIRKE_medieval_church_Horten_Norway_2021-07-08_Interior_Altertavle_Abel_Schr%C3%B8der_1665_Lysekrone_chandeliers_Prekestol_pulpit_c_1600_Borrekorset_Borre_Cross_Benkerader_pews_Kiste_coffin_etc_IMG_7972.jpg/1280px-thumbnail.jpg
04:01 <EEVBot> [Title] - Wikimedia Error
04:06 <Nothing\> you know, apparently a lot of castles were made largely of wood
04:15 <rust_collector> sure
04:26 <Nothing\> one of the big reasons we think of castles as big stone structures is because that's all that survived of them
04:39 <Nothing\> and the big ones are the ones that survived the most
04:53 <rust_collector> you use what you have. and wood would also be much quicker to buuild, if that was important
05:00 <Nothing\> but castles were a relatively common thing. Usually a dwelling for nobility. And didn't have to be large at all.
05:09 <Nothing\> there were lots of single room castles that just housed 1 family
05:46 <Nothing\> i remember watching a video a while back that explained the different sizes of castles in general and the family and/or workers who lived in what parts of it.
06:04 <Nothing\> and most of the castles were just 1 to 4 room single floor abodes
06:20 <Nothing\> and even the 4 room ones, 1 room was usually servant's quarters
06:59 <Nothing\> servant's quarters, sleeping quarters, cooking and eating, and I dunno... misc?
09:37 <Nothing\> ooh actually i had another function gen/signal mixing question
09:48 <Kuschelpony> yes please sk
09:49 <Nothing\> what would you recommend as the best solution for creating lissajous patterns?
09:50 <Kuschelpony> ask
09:59 <Kuschelpony> an scope in XY mode
10:04 <Nothing\> i know how to set up the function gen, i'm just wondering in terms of an actual circuit to generate them in
10:21 <Kuschelpony> oh you conext one channel to scope X and one channel to scope Y
10:34 <Nothing\> so i can just connect it right to my scope
10:40 <Kuschelpony> YES
10:43 <Nothing\> right on
10:51 <Nothing\> yeah i guess they are high impedance inputs aren't they
11:00 <Kuschelpony> yes, thats perfectly ok
11:09 <Nothing\> and i'd imagine likewise of the outputs on the gen
11:23 <Kuschelpony> impedance matching gets only neccesary when the cable length gets above something 0,1* wavelenght
11:36 <Kuschelpony> the outputs are likely 50 ohms
11:48 <Kuschelpony> so into a high impedance input you get about double amplitude
12:07 <Nothing\> okay cool just wanted to make sure cuz in circuitmod like, for my previous example of summing two sine waves, you could do it just by connecting two AC sources in series and the current would give the appropriate waveform.
12:29 <Nothing\> Kuschelpony, 75 i think. That's what the cables are.
12:50 <Nothing\> but yeah i'm not worried about impedance matching unless i'm doing something with RF
12:52 <Kuschelpony> as said, no worries if you stay below somethign 10Mhz
13:02 <Nothing\> and i don't think i've gotta use RF frequencies for lissajous patterns lol
13:12 <Nothing\> i was just gonna use LF
14:23 <Nothing\> Kuschelpony, it's good to have a guy i can bounce ideas off of who knows more than me hehe
14:34 <Nothing\> that's why i love this place. Or one of the many reasons.
14:56 <Kuschelpony> well, im just an old fart who had tinkered with electronics for about 4 decades
15:14 <Nothing\> actually one of the most remarkable things i've noticed about this place is the incredible lack of any and all social drama
15:31 <Nothing\> it's such a refreshing change compared to the rest of the internet but I have to wonder at its cause.
15:58 <Kuschelpony> uhm... i dont know that "rest of the internet"
16:05 <Kuschelpony> so im happy to miss this
16:28 <Nothing\> Whether it's because we're all generally more educated. Or because a lot of you are involved more... I guess you'd call it high class things like academia and r&d instead i dunno, drugs and social services.
16:33 <Nothing\> i don't know
16:41 <Nothing\> Kuschelpony, i'm happy you have. It's a cesspit
16:50 <Nothing\> Kuschelpony, like YouTube comments for one.
16:56 <Kuschelpony> i think there is a kind of selection going
17:00 <Nothing\> or apparently Twitter, though I stay off of there.
17:18 <Kuschelpony> IRC, Jabber and classic forums are only appelaing to people who actually care for the Content, as in Text
17:40 <Nothing\> reddit i guess used to be bad but nowadays it seems to depend on what subs you go to, much like chats in general there are parts of reddit that have more mature people frequenting them.
17:51 <Kuschelpony> people who have intense feelings and emotions are perhaps more inclined to kinds of dynamic interaction with short messages and more bling
18:21 <Nothing\> same for YouTube. Channels like EEVBlog or BigClive or channels about physics, opencourseware, lectures, things of that nature tend to have more mature people in the comments.
19:20 <Nothing\> Kuschelpony, i don't know about that. I mean we've all seen how talkative i get, but one of my mental health diagnoses is borderline personality disorder, which is apparently characterized by feeling emotions more intensely, among other things
19:46 <Nothing\> although i'm kinda skeptical about the diagnosis. I think it's just been brought on by these cursed meds i'm taking.
20:02 <Nothing\> so i've been working to get off of them
20:12 <Kuschelpony> mmh, i meant more the kind of affective emotions, cant describe that even in my native language right
20:37 <Nothing\> they're a damn trap. They work like a miracle for maybe a month or two. Then you end up worse than you were when you started, except now you're addicted to these pills with little hope of getting off of them.
20:49 <Nothing\> It's taken me 2 years to cut my dose in half
21:04 <Nothing\> my grandmother wound up taking them until the day she died
21:30 <Nothing\> and my brother's been on em for about 2 or 3 decades
21:47 <Nothing\> Kuschelpony, i see. Yeah translations can be tricky
22:02 <Nothing\> which reminds me. I need to write a happy birthday message for my great aunt in germany
22:50 <Nothing\> Alles Gute zum Geburtstag! Ich hoffe, Sie haben einen tollen Tag!
22:55 <Nothing\> sounds about right i think
23:04 <Nothing\> i hate to use a translator but i suck at german
23:21 <Nothing\> french is my second strongest language and i can barely cobble together coherent sentences in that
23:30 <Nothing\> and that's after 9 years of lessons
25:18 <Nothing\> rust_collector, it's interesting looking at the windows of that church you showed me. You can tell just from that that it's gotta be really old because it hasn't got large panes in it. Just a whole bunch of these little like 10^2cm squares of glass
25:30 <Kuschelpony> thats too formal, you say "Sie" to a stranger that you greet in a kind of majesty
25:54 <Nothing\> ah i didn't know that. What's the less formal form?
25:56 <Kuschelpony> i would suggest "Alles Gute zum Geburtstag! Ich hoffe, du hast einen tollen Tag!"
26:09 <Nothing\> awesome thanks man.
26:11 <Kuschelpony> "du" is the form used for friends and such
26:15 <Nothing\> oh yeah du
26:24 <Nothing\> i knew that too, just from the stupid ramstein song lol
26:26 <Nothing\> du hast
26:52 <Nothing\> everyone was singing it here in the late 90's but they'd only sing the first 3 words because that was all they could be bothered to memorize
27:36 <Kuschelpony> oops
27:52 <Kuschelpony> well to be honest, Rammstein was never anywhere my taste
28:25 <Nothing\> same
28:34 <Nothing\> but that song was played everywhere here for a brief time
28:36 <Kuschelpony> i love the german langauage and vocabulary for all the finesse to have so many words that are so close but any one finetuned for some specific place
28:40 <Nothing\> one of THOSE songs
28:48 <Kuschelpony> but i dont like the melody for songs
28:55 <Nothing\> lol what melody?
29:15 <Nothing\> oh you mean in general, i thought you were talking about rammstein
29:16 <Kuschelpony> i mean the melody fromed by the words, that does not "flow" well in german language
29:16 <Nothing\> lol
29:34 <Nothing\> oh, yeah
29:43 <Nothing\> that's like that song 99 red balloons
29:49 <Kuschelpony> ther is only one german song i somewhat enjoy
29:56 <Kuschelpony> ouch not that...
30:07 <Nothing\> reading the german version, it's completely different. I dunno how familiar you are with the narrative of it.
30:18 <Nothing\> but the English version has a totally different narrative.
30:40 <Nothing\> i thought the german version was a lot more beautiful both in terms of the wording and the narrative itself
30:56 <Kuschelpony> oh, with music i try to listen to songs that do NO have a narrative in that way
31:03 <Nothing\> but having heard the english version all this time i never took the time to sit and listen to/translate the german version
31:23 <Nothing\> Kuschelpony, it's hit or miss but this was a good narrative
31:25 <Kuschelpony> the one song that is somewhat an exception, or at least tolerable is that 3QuSlRopNR4
32:21 <Nothing\> the story being basically a peaceful rally releases 99 red balloons and some military guys see them on radar and mistake it for a nuclear attack and all out war breaks out as a result and at the end of the song there's nothing left
32:32 <Nothing\> that's the english version anyways
32:34 <Kuschelpony> yes i know that one
32:47 <Nothing\> i can't recall the precise details of the german one but you get the idea
32:59 <Nothing\> either way to each their own
33:03 <Kuschelpony> but i have my brain already overstuffed from everyday life so i just cant deal with interpreting such stuff in addition
33:16 <Nothing\> i can understand not wanting a narrative in your songs. It's like me not wanting video games that are heavy on story.
33:33 <Nothing\> I always say, "i play video games to play videos games. Not to watch a movie. That's what movies are for"
33:37 <Kuschelpony> thats also why i love synthesizer music, or melodic rock
33:45 <Nothing\> I imagine the mindset is similar to that?
33:53 <Kuschelpony> good qustion i dont know
33:58 <Kuschelpony> but likely different for me
34:04 <Nothing\> well you kind of hit on a good point there
34:18 <Nothing\> thta without a narrative it would leave them free to focus more on the musical aspects
34:38 <Nothing\> but at the same time it seems like it's easy to make music that sounds good but doesn't mean anything
34:44 <Kuschelpony> i want to listen to music just to get that feeling of flowing with the sound
35:03 <Nothing\> just throw together a few chords from pachelbel's canon in D, or play a scale realy fast
35:05 <Kuschelpony> hmm in some way this helps to get my brain a bit less overstuffed with thoughts and dealing with social issues
35:32 <Nothing\> Kuschelpony, that's true actually. The good sounding but "meaningless" music is good to just get the emotions going. Get yourself pumped up for something.
35:36 <Nothing\> eye of the tiger type stuff
35:44 <Kuschelpony> think like some summer weather with gentle wind and mild rain that sweeps in patterns over the streets and washes away piled up dirt
36:06 <Nothing\> mmm yes naturescapes
36:10 <Nothing\> and petrichor
36:16 <Nothing\> you know that word? petrichor?
36:22 <Nothing\> it's one of my favourites i think
36:48 <Nothing\> the smell of wet ground, especially after rain
36:59 <Kuschelpony> hmm i dont know that word
37:11 <Kuschelpony> but for one of the classics i am currently listening: P_ukfGAd8T4
37:13 <Nothing\> heh not many people do. Which is unfortunate.
37:15 <Kuschelpony> Space - Magic Fly
37:31 <Nothing\> i haven't been able to listen to music really in some years
38:09 <Nothing\> part of my mental health issues has me suffer from getting songs stuck in my head for weeks on end and literally every waking moment, at least that i'm aware.
38:18 <Kuschelpony> i can only on specific hours, otherwise i need silence
38:19 <Nothing\> which becomes very distressing, regardless of the song.
38:37 <Nothing\> and then the more distressed or just stressed from other things i get, the worse it gets.
38:54 <Nothing\> so what WAS an enjoyable song becomes an instrument of psychological torture.
39:19 <Nothing\> i still bite the bullet and listen to music once in a while if i'm in the mood but it's rare these days.
39:48 <Nothing\> it's bad enough though that i'll mute the music in video games when i play just so i don't accidentally hear a jingle or melody because that's all it takes.
40:09 <Nothing\> even something my mind comes up with, a few notes can be enough.
40:26 <Nothing\> i told my shrink and he just laughed it off so, screw him.
40:34 <Nothing\> it's not like there's a magic pill that'll make it stop anyways.
40:38 <Kuschelpony> did you listen to the two songs (i posted the Youtube ID) ?
40:43 <Nothing\> and that's all shrinks do here.
40:44 <Kuschelpony> whats your opinion?
41:00 <Nothing\> no, sorry. i'm not in a place where i can listen to music atm.
41:48 <Nothing\> i'm not the best person to get opinions about music from anyways
42:15 <Nothing\> dammit my one cat keeps beating up my other smaller cat
42:19 <Kuschelpony> ok just sharing my favorites
42:41 <Nothing\> Kuschelpony, sorry man i wish i could help. I know what it's like wanting to share things that bring you joy.
43:50 <Kuschelpony> thats also one i really like https://www.furaffinity.net/view/14380034/
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44:25 <Kuschelpony> on another side im currently busy traing if i can get a specific type of snorkel mask anywhere in an european shop
44:31 <Nothing\> i've never really taken to new music anyways. I dunno if i just didn't listen to the right music or if i'm just an old fart stuck in his ways.
44:43 <Nothing\> ever since things went electronic i sorta gravitated away from new stuff.
45:04 <Nothing\> i loved aphex twin, but i think that had more to do with the drugs i was taking at the time lol
45:58 <Nothing\> oh yeh i forgot the X vs Y on my scope sucks balls for some reason
46:07 <Nothing\> it just plots it as a series of dots instead of a steady line
46:42 <Nothing\> which there is a setting for that but it doesn't change anything
47:14 <Kuschelpony> i am happy to find new music to my taste but the way music is made has fundamentally changed somethign 30 ysears ago
47:37 <Nothing\> i'm kicking myself over buying this scope anyways cuz i paid like an extra $100 or $150 for the 200mhz model over the 100mhz model then found out all i had to do was change the firmware in the 100mhz model to unlock the 200mhz mode
48:14 <Nothing\> Kuschelpony, heh every so often i'll go back and listen to music i liked as a teenager even though it's not my thing anymore really. But you can't argue with nostalgia.
48:17 <DHess_US> They need to make one of these which plays Yakety Sax when you are trying to catch a parakeet, https://www.amazon.com/RESTCLOUD-Insect-Butterfly-Handle-Extends/dp/B07JZ5LL7K/
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48:23 <Nothing\> I used to love punk as a teenager
48:41 <Kuschelpony> for me its not nostalgia, but a specific kind of Sound
48:47 <DHess_US> I still like my teenager age music.
48:53 <Kuschelpony> and large dynamic range
48:59 <Nothing\> black flag, operation ivy, rancid, dead kennedys, misfits of course etc
49:13 <Nothing\> Kuschelpony, yeah i was kind of into everything except country and western
49:14 <DHess_US> Def Leppard, Depeche Mode, Cinderella
49:20 <Kuschelpony> and dynamic range, it has to breathe, not flat pressed loud
49:35 <Nothing\> and what i call "the black arts" which is basically any music associated with black people like rap, r&b, hip hop etc
49:38 <Nothing\> it just wasn't my thing
49:44 <Kuschelpony> Scorpions, Barclay james Harvest, Pink Floyd, Europe
49:54 <Kuschelpony> but today more indipend artists
50:01 <Nothing\> yes pink floyd was the first classic rock i ever got into
50:13 <Nothing\> finding my dad's old LPs while i was a teenager discovering drugs
50:42 <Nothing\> pretty sure my mum knew something was up when she'd come in my room to find my laying on the floor in the dark listening to dark side of the moon with a bucket of vomit next to me
50:49 <Nothing\> ahhh lol
50:53 * Nothing\ sighs :/
51:00 <Nothing\> so much waste
51:27 <Nothing\> speaking of regrets
51:29 <Kuschelpony> oh and the old Mike and the Mechaniks, not when they came back
52:19 <Nothing\> when i was a kid, my dad invested me in this new firm that was just coming onto the market. Put $500 into it and then a few years later cashed out something like $1200 when he left my mum and didn't give me any
52:29 <Nothing\> that firm was Berkshire Hathaway
52:42 <Nothing\> when he invested my money, it was worth 20,000
52:48 <Nothing\> today it's at 430,000
53:00 <Nothing\> lol
53:42 <Nothing\> still i'm not so regretful about it because i didn't get the money either way
53:59 <Nothing\> but i have no doubt he regrets cashing out when it was still only worth like 50,000
54:21 <Nothing\> or selling all of the gold he owned in the early 2000s
55:03 <Nothing\> ooh i know a little project i can do
56:05 <Nothing\> i've got a formula for the output voltage of an RC filter, i should work out some predictions then use my function gen to play out the experiment and see how close my predictions were
56:44 <Nothing\> it's too bad, in my haste to buy a function gen i didn't realize this one hasn't got a sweep function but that's alright
57:23 <Kuschelpony> for that, some audio analyzer programs are very useful, as you can put out an frequency sweep on the soundcard and record thefiltered result
57:29 <Nothing\> although if i wanted that it probably would have gone from $100 to like $250
57:45 <Kuschelpony> the fancier ones even make impedance calculations from that
58:23 <Nothing\> Kuschelpony, heh before i got this what i would do is use an audio function gen on my mum's phone and I had an audio cable with a 10ohm resistor in series i could just use as my output
58:43 <Nothing\> it only gave like 300mvrms but still it worked
58:47 <Nothing\> sort of
59:16 <Kuschelpony> hihi reminds me of a thread i read recently on diyaudio
00:23 <Nothing\> Kuschelpony, they made the display really confusing. For the frequency it shows it as, well say I have a frequency of 6891325.59hz it would show it as 6'891'325.59 which you see a ' in the context of frequency (angular velocity) you think arc minutes.
00:28 <Nothing\> so it threw me off at first
00:45 <Kuschelpony> someone is searching for an line level "preamplifier" that outputs cbeyond 200V because he wants to bring an very well made coupling transformer into saturation to get that vintage distortion
01:13 <Nothing\> that's an awfully high gain for a preamp
01:27 <Nothing\> though i know little about amps i was under the impression a preamp had little gain
02:42 <Nothing\> i always wondered about audiophiles who swear by tubes and vintage equipment
02:46 <Kuschelpony> usually you need none at all, except for that special guy who wants to bring an coupöing transformer (with huge reserves) into saturation beyond any reasonabe voltage
02:59 <Kuschelpony> uhm... i would not call them "Audiophiles"
03:04 <Nothing\> especially tubes. I've always wanted to see somebody do a double blind test to see if they can tell the difference
03:12 <Kuschelpony> theright word is "Audiophools"
03:17 <Nothing\> Kuschelpony, i use the term out of convenience
03:22 <Nothing\> heh
03:29 <Kuschelpony> oh its easy to hear a difference with complex music, you hear the distortion...
03:44 <Nothing\> ah
04:00 <Kuschelpony> its called euphonic distortion, because some people enjoy some kind of distortion
04:00 <Nothing\> i've always wanted to do the same thing with wine tasters
04:09 <Kuschelpony> the same species...
04:25 <Nothing\> Kuschelpony, it's wabe sabe
04:56 <Nothing\> a... i think buddhist or hindu concept which says the small flaws you find in things makes them more beautiful than if everything was perfect
05:05 <Kuschelpony> i am one who loves complex music with minimum distortion, espically nothing that cips or messes with dynamics
05:13 <Nothing\> pretty sure it's buddhist
05:20 <Nothing\> it sounds east asian
05:21 <arch> hmm..out of the blue, my computer's psu fan has started to spin really fast. im not even putting any loads on it. i'll see if it's dusty later
05:40 <Nothing\> arch, it always alarms me when my cpu fan spins up fast for any reason
05:47 <Kuschelpony> but others can perhaps enjpy the kind of singer&acoustic guitar combo with the right kind of distortion making voices more "earthy" and so
05:54 <Nothing\> i dunno why. I guess i don't like hearing when my computer is being taxed.
06:12 <Nothing\> tangible reminder that i'm shortening its lifespan. However little.
08:09 <Kuschelpony> hmm, seems i have not really other options that to order direct from https://www.hjkbstore.com/
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08:25 <Kuschelpony> nothing within europe
10:45 <Nothing\> oh wow i just discovered like 16 new trig functions i've never heard of
11:38 <Nothing\> versine, haversine, coversine, covercosine, hacovercosine, etc
12:01 <Nothing\> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Versine#Mathematical_identities
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26:04 <Kuschelpony> mrmobodies:
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26:14 <Kuschelpony> just to say i agree and feel frightened the same way
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45:34 <Kuschelpony> about https://www.eevblog.com/forum/beginners/electronic-ballast-power-supply/
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45:57 <Kuschelpony> thats the "Valley fill" a kind of almost-PFC rectifier
47:24 <Kuschelpony> it works in a way that on the Peak of the AC two electrolytics are charged in series, but reconnect to be in paralell for discharging while the rectified line can still add some current below the peak voltage
47:42 <coppice> If you listen to a high quality reproduction of recorded music in any way that differs from live it doesn't sound right, because of the way our hearing works. A simple aspect of this is the use of "loudness" controls in a lot of audio equipment, to equalise differently as you turn the volume control. This mimics non-linearity in human perception that has been understood for a century. So, there is no fundamental reason why altering the
47:43 <coppice> reproduction of a recording should not make is sound better. However, most audiophool stuff is just deranged.
48:45 <Kuschelpony> coppice, yes
50:01 <Kuschelpony> i was not writing about "correction" for example in the way that a "loudness" equalizer adapts the tonal balance to different calibrations of the reproduction volume
50:18 <Kuschelpony> i was writing about adding distortion because some people prefer it
51:20 <Kuschelpony> things like "opamp rolling" or weird configuration of mains cables are a third category, where the effects are either placebo or audible effects of very misguided device construction
51:54 <coppice> Its not unreasonable that some alteration of harmonic content with listening conditions might make something sound better. However, this euphonic stuff just sounds worse and worse the more you add. People need to listen to live music more often
52:43 <Kuschelpony> yes!
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53:57 <Kuschelpony> im surely not the kind of "golden ear" but at least someone who doies get fatigued from modern tastes of music alterations to make them mobile friendly
56:14 <Kuschelpony> oh and at 	Ysjoelfir thanks for sharing your life story in the forum
56:25 <Kuschelpony> one day i really shouldregister there as well
57:10 <rust_collector> lots of the "music" I listen to, sounds like shit live, but is nice in a recording
03:47 <coppice> I've started using speakers, after years of listening to most things through headphones. Newer recordings seem to be focussed entirely on headphone listening, and there's no sense of a sound stage played through speakers. Older recordings sound much better through speakers.
05:47 <Kuschelpony> hmm, are they focussed on headphones? or are they starting to get focussed to mono playback through one squeaker? i honestly dont know as i dont follow that stuff
06:33 <coppice> I think they are focussed on a market where people listen to most things from their phones
06:52 <Kuschelpony> yep
11:39 <coppice> I hadn't notice the sounds stage getting bad until I bought good speakers 2 years ago. Through headphones things tend to sound pretty good. If you focus on headphones you can use things like HRTF techniques and get some amazing results, Focussing on speakers requires a different approach
12:45 <Kuschelpony> im picky about sundstage, so i got 25% happy when i finished my set of wideband speakers
13:23 <Kuschelpony> the other 75% ehm well there are recordnings that sound even worse when you have speakers without group delay issues :)
16:35 <coppice> It depends what's wrong with the group delay. If its causing interference effects between drivers, that's obviously bad. However, in absolute terms it depends on the frequency range. Human hearing can't detect most phase effects above 2kHz, which is a key reason why DCT based audio compression works so well
18:02 <Kuschelpony> i meant it in that way, that on bad enough threeway speakers you can not much disinguish between careful and bad recordings, they all sound in some way diffuse
18:34 <Kuschelpony> on widebanders a good recording sounds focused, you can pinpoint instruments
18:55 <Kuschelpony> a bad recordings stays a diffuse cloud that you cant focus to a sharp image
19:56 <Kuschelpony> the only bad thing about them is that somewhere around 2 to 5 watts they get nonlinear into audible cone breakup modes
22:25 <coppice> Directionality can be an issues, too
23:26 <Kuschelpony> yes, but not in this room here
23:50 <coppice> There have been some good coaxial designs, avoiding all the variable delay issues as you change angle, and they pretty much have to do a good job with the phase, or the coaxial drivers beat hard against each otehr
25:56 <Kuschelpony> right
27:29 <Kuschelpony> many years ago i had heard an project where someone took an PA coax, with horn tweeter inside a 25cm midranger, but optimized if for hifi, that sounded amazing
27:50 <Kuschelpony> old memories to people i cant even remember the name :(
29:55 <coppice> when I was a kid there were a lot of high quality single driver speakers, using 10" or 12" drivers with a variable cone, that could really push some air at the bass end, and still sound god at high frequencies.
31:26 <Kuschelpony> these were never common in germany
32:04 <Kuschelpony> the best commonly available were 16*25cm oval speakers plus 10cm cone tweeters
32:17 <Kuschelpony> i have a set i want to use for e retro project one day
32:51 <coppice> They were common the UK in the 1960s, then through the 70s the public developed the mindset that good speakers needed woofers and tweeters, and I think it killed the market.
34:06 <coppice> In the 70s I was a great lover of Japanese speakers, They generally seemed much better on percussive sound than things made in Europe or America. Possibility because their music made that a priority.
38:03 <K> yall trying to make me feel bad about buying those cantons, eh
38:31 <Kuschelpony> oh canton also had good ones
38:47 <coppice> If you want to see an audio company producing great results at value for money prices look at much of what Pioneer made in the 1970s.
40:39 <K> buying used but sizeable non-ussr stuff here is too much hassle
41:41 <K> shipping is costly, and i would find it risky
42:19 <K> not that it would not arrive, but in what shape/number of pieces
43:31 <Kuschelpony> i love their hifi receivers, in that silver design with the soft cyan illuminated scales
50:24 <coppice> There were some terrible amps and receivers in the 70s, when they fell into the stupidity of chasing testing results, while measuring all the wrong things. There was a backlash to that in the 80s, when things started sounding too bad, but you still see so much of that. Te audiophools are no dumber that the people who say it must test well, while only doing static tests. If I want to listen to a continuous sine wave all day, I might be in
50:25 <coppice> in those static results.
50:39 <coppice> Pioneer largely sidestepped that
52:06 <coppice> There are 70s receivers that are flat from 20Hz to 1MHz. They have so much bandwidth that any tiny non-linearity in the system meant you can hear AM radio from the speakers, when you haven't selected the tuner.
52:08 <Kuschelpony> yeah... a sinewave harmonic distortion test does not reveal things like dynamic effects of wobbly supply rails and rc time constants for bias voltages
54:10 <coppice> if a transient drives some designs into saturation they recover almost instantly. For many the transient throws off their biasing for a considerable period. Super high gain with massive feedback test well, statically, but often gives horrible transient IMD. Those were the two biggest issue in a lot of 1970s amps, and you still find some of it today,
54:49 <Kuschelpony> i know
55:20 <Kuschelpony> worst were perhaps some grundig designs where they ac coupled driver stages and final transistors
56:27 <Kuschelpony> at least they could not go into "shoot through" mode but in the other direction a transient clipping could charge the coupling capacitor and give a large "thump"
57:56 <coppice> when I bought speakers 2 years ago they used a 700 pound Cambridge Audio amp to demo them. After trying a few speakers, and being unimpressed, the guy changed to the next model up the Cambridge Audio range, at 1000 pounds, which is supposed to be very similar except for the power output. The sound was very different, even though we were not listening very loudly. In 2020 even a 100 pound amp should be so good that nothing sounds clearly
58:46 <coppice> large thumps at turn on have been very common over the decades
59:41 <Kuschelpony> not on turn on, but after clipping that throw off the charge level of the ac coupling capacitor between driver and final transistors
00:15 <coppice> they thump during transient recovery? that's nasty
00:29 <Kuschelpony> yeah..
00:39 <Kuschelpony> that design was alreydy shit in the 70s
00:59 <Kuschelpony> as said, the driver and final transistors were ac coupled
01:33 <Kuschelpony> on the positive side, any failure could at most destroy the two final transistors but not shoot through anything before
02:49 <Kuschelpony> in differencde to the usual kind of full dc coupled amps where any failure goes backward and could take out almost all transistors and smoke resistors
03:46 <Kuschelpony> in my time as dervice technican in the 90s and 00s i got all the exotic stuff on my bench, that noone else around did understand
05:26 <Kuschelpony> another favorite, reel to reel tape decks with actively regulated tape tension, from a kind of primitive electro-optic force transducer (that failed from creeping plastic parts) to current drivers of the reel motors
05:51 <Kuschelpony> trying to remember who made them, i think Akai was it
07:00 <Kuschelpony> the old techs did only understand full mechanic tape brakes, the young ones did not want to touch that old clunky stuff, in between was me doing repairs for many loyal old clients
08:09 <Kuschelpony> sorry for the wall of text i really need to go sleeping soon
08:23 <Kuschelpony> happy to discuss forther tomorrow
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43:08 <DogWomble> good morning
44:09 <MrMobodies> Batter came
44:18 <MrMobodies> and this time much better
44:31 <MrMobodies> only one tiny dent on the top cover but no cracks
44:48 <MrMobodies> they also improved in the packaging
47:16 <MrMobodies> Now I got two ups
49:13 <MrMobodies> https://imgur.com/a/cScmkOM
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49:28 <MrMobodies> I filmed it this time just incase the battery turned up wrecked in some wy
49:36 <MrMobodies> but this time it seems okay
49:50 <MrMobodies> do you think that little dent will cause problems?
50:03 <MrMobodies> https://i.imgur.com/cfS7oJi.jpg
50:37 <MrMobodies> The left ups, is doing the cupboard and lighting in there
50:53 <MrMobodies> and the right ups is doing some switches and monitoring stuff
51:04 <MrMobodies> I have another battery arriving for the left ups
53:45 <MrMobodies> I put that one in the right and pulled this one out
53:46 <MrMobodies> https://i.imgur.com/k6ELVUO.jpg
53:54 <MrMobodies> I don't trust it
54:10 <MrMobodies> It looks me to like Powersonic clone
54:21 <MrMobodies> and check out the bad grammmr
54:26 <MrMobodies> *grammar
54:39 <MrMobodies> no spaces are commas
55:18 <MrMobodies> I only brought the UPS with it in because i can see it working but had no plans to use it past that point
55:41 <MrMobodies> or do you think I am being paranoid?
03:31 <Ampera> hello MrMobodies
03:32 <EEVBot> Hello, Ampera!
03:32 <Ampera> how are you doing
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09:03 <MrMobodies> Hello
09:09 <MrMobodies> just a bit tired
09:23 <MrMobodies> I had 3 shots of Irish cream down the pub
09:32 <MrMobodies> and I just woke up 4 hours later on my chair
09:34 <Ampera> nice
09:41 <Ampera> I just had a bunch of pizza and hot wings
10:03 <MrMobodies> I like hot wings
10:13 <MrMobodies> the spicy wet things with the breadcrumbs
10:17 <MrMobodies> oh battery
10:42 <MrMobodies> oops
10:45 <MrMobodies> *battered
10:47 <Ampera> no, they're not battered
11:06 <Ampera> these are buffalo hot wings, so they're just deep fried chicken wings (with no batter) covered in a tangy sauce
11:24 <Ampera> typical NY pizza restaurant wings
11:27 <MrMobodies> sounds very nice
11:43 <MrMobodies> kind of waking me up a bit
11:55 <Ampera> ended up buying four 18" pies, and 20 hot wings
12:20 <Ampera> brb, need to shave
12:26 <MrMobodies> what kind of pies were they?
13:57 <MrMobodies> a couple of days I had to buy a new razer. It is suppose last for 18 months
14:15 <MrMobodies> but it is more like a year until it don't seem to cut well
19:36 <Ampera> MrMobodies, pizza pies
19:47 <Ampera> also that's quite a long lasting razor
19:59 <Ampera> I shave very sparingly, yet my blades only last 1-2 months
27:54 <MrMobodies> Pizza pies, never had one before but
27:54 <MrMobodies> https://imagesvc.meredithcorp.io/v3/mm/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Fstatic.onecms.io%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%
28:00 <MrMobodies> they look good
28:09 <MrMobodies> as i was searching for the blade replacement
28:33 <MrMobodies> I came across this thing that looked a bit frightening to me:
28:49 <MrMobodies> https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B09WDDRQQ9
28:50 <EEVBot> [Title] - Amazon.co.uk
29:22 <MrMobodies> I don't think I have seen them that big before
30:54 <MrMobodies> there's even a 7 head
30:57 <MrMobodies> https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B09HXLYZKC
30:58 <EEVBot> [Title] - 503 - Service Unavailable Error
31:30 <MrMobodies> my one is only a small Braun 300 series
31:52 <MrMobodies> which takes less than a minute but about 10 minutes when the blade is wearing out
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55:11 <MrMobodies> I have question...
55:30 <MrMobodies> Anyone here required in their job to
56:07 <MrMobodies> use their thumbprint/biometrics?
59:09 <MrMobodies> I know someone at the local pubhouse who, well they use eye scanner and password
59:31 <MrMobodies> for their entry into building
59:36 <MrMobodies> which is high security stuff
59:45 <MrMobodies> to do with data storage
00:46 <MrMobodies> and someone else told me they use a thumbprint and eyescanner at another place to do with working for access control
52:51 <gremlinz> thumbprint
59:01 <Halcyon> Afternoon all
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54:31 <MrMobodies> Gremlinz: Thumbprint... is that all?
54:55 <MrMobodies> I am under the impression that when it is combined with other authentication it can be influenced and changed
55:15 <MrMobodies> I mean not both with bio/skin mapping
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33:35 <gremlinz> yes
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01:29 <Ysjoelfir> mornings
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34:23 * T3sl4 hugs Ysjoelfir huggingly
34:36 <Ysjoelfir> weeeeeeee! \o/
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34:50 <T3sl4> what's up
47:42 <Ysjoelfir> I am.
48:03 <Ysjoelfir> Just installed some cute nice decorative solar lamps on my balcony
52:04 <Kuschelpony> oh nice
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59:30 <Ysjoelfir> Lets wait for night to set in and see how they look in the dark
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06:20 <Kuschelpony> sooo now i have also a piercing, or to be exactly 14 of them in a 2,54mm grid :(
06:52 <Kuschelpony> one more reason i should only use SMD in future
07:17 <Ysjoelfir> no way, you let yourself pierce with a DIP14? that is sooo cool! I considered getting an electronics tattoo some times, but didn't come up with a good motiv
07:49 <Kuschelpony> i did it not on intention...
07:56 <Ysjoelfir> oh
08:04 <Ysjoelfir> you should not drop your DIPs than
08:40 <Kuschelpony> i have not even an idea when i dropped it, that must have been a while ago
08:58 <Kuschelpony> just found it back in an place i do usually not do electronics, by going barefoot
09:21 <Kuschelpony> at least i know a very good motive for a tatoo, the wilkinson power divider
09:33 <Ysjoelfir> I would notice such things pretty quickly, as I am going barefoot in ma apartment basically all day
09:56 <Ysjoelfir> what is said divider?
10:43 <Kuschelpony> "Widerstand ist NICHT sinnlos"
10:51 <Kuschelpony> its the Y-shaped microwave thingie
10:58 <Ysjoelfir> aaaaah that one
11:36 <Ysjoelfir> thats not the worst idea, yes. but otoh, I am not a high frequency guy and probably would have to explain it quite a bit xD
11:45 <Kuschelpony> where the resistor appears in a place that appears for the DC people as shorted out, but for the working frequency it sees 180° of the unwanted reflections so it absorbs that power
12:10 <Ysjoelfir> yep, I remember now which one that was
12:25 <Kuschelpony> the freak will notice, the others, well do you really care about them :)
12:43 <Ysjoelfir> thats true. I think I will put it onto the suggestions list :P
13:20 <Kuschelpony> im currently undecided, should i try my luck again and make some wood working attempts, or should i avoid getting more injured
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14:28 <Ysjoelfir> oh, you are also into woodworking? I just finished clearing up my woodworking bench in the basement on friday, after having used it only for putting stuff I am not using right now since I moved in here
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15:36 <Kuschelpony> im not realy into woodworking, just enough of it to build speaker boxes and some cases or primitive furniture
16:01 <Kuschelpony> my father was professional woodworker so i can use his workshop
16:08 <Ysjoelfir> oh nice!
16:35 <Kuschelpony> i have one minor project on my wish list, its a clone of a "Stereolith" speaker
17:10 <Kuschelpony> thats a kind of three speaker matrix in a single box, which uses the reflections from the room walls to have some stereo imaging
17:12 <Ysjoelfir> those small heavily rounded square ones?
17:23 <Kuschelpony> hmm no idea
17:34 <Kuschelpony> its meant as portable box for my laptop
19:03 <Ysjoelfir> let me check if I find a pic. but I didn't know the reason for that design
19:16 <Kuschelpony> lets see if someone knows
19:56 <Ysjoelfir> https://www.i-fidelity.net/news/details/c/da03f8bffb16ca2c55c60a0e368d0729/article/stereolith-bietet-stereosound-aus-einem-gehaeuse.html
19:57 <EEVBot> [Title] - stereolith bietet Stereosound aus einem Gehäuse - i-fidelity.net 
19:58 <Ysjoelfir> those I mean
20:18 <Ysjoelfir> I remember seeing them some time back, but never really read into it
21:49 <T3sl4> Kuschelpony: fuckin yeouch
22:29 <Kuschelpony> hmm that design looks different
24:33 <Kuschelpony> what i mean is a design with three speakers, the front one giving 0,5*L+0,5*R and the left and right one about R-0,5*L and L-0,*R
26:18 <Ysjoelfir> thats interesting
30:31 <Kuschelpony> searching diyaudio for the relevant thread
33:34 <Kuschelpony> https://www.diyaudio.com/community/attachments/1645781814395-png.1029042/
34:27 <Ysjoelfir> that is simple but - if it works - brilliant
34:40 <Kuschelpony> i have not yet heard it but it looks promising
35:43 <Kuschelpony> in between the other non-electronic projects that are frustratingly stuck in all ways perhaps something that is a bit more leading to an positive end
36:22 <Ysjoelfir> I know this stuck projects problem.... its annoying
37:30 <Kuschelpony> yeah, people push the delivery date, or disappear without traces
37:56 <Kuschelpony> its much more problematic if its an artwork thing and you have worldwide only a few people who have the skills and want to do
38:13 <Ysjoelfir> that sounds serious o.o
38:54 <Kuschelpony> well, i do have more han a dozen crazy fun projects that i am trying to start since a decade and most are somewhat stuck or put "on ice"
40:10 <Kuschelpony> currently trying again to find if i can get a specific snorkel mask in any european shop
47:10 <Kuschelpony> summer is near and it looks like we are low enough on the C-thing to look to go out to beaches again
48:50 <Kuschelpony> sorry thats perhaps too offtopic here again
51:12 <Ysjoelfir> Thats fine, I think we are mostly talking off topic anyways all the time?
52:26 <Kuschelpony> mmh i hoped the speaker project is still on topic :)
53:53 <Ysjoelfir> sure, but snorkling is cool as well
54:20 <Kuschelpony> i want to restart this year
54:41 <Kuschelpony> its more than a decade ago
01:18 <Kuschelpony> http://elias.altervista.org/html/SingleSpeakerStereo.html
13:59 <Ysjoelfir> Very interesting, I just read that. and now I want one
14:45 <Kuschelpony> hihi same here, but the speakers and particle borad are already waiting
15:41 <Ysjoelfir> Hehehe. I wonder if that could work on my balcony, as its more or less confined on three sides
16:47 <Kuschelpony> it seems it basically needs either one large wall behind or beeing placed a bit in front of a corner
23:01 <Ysjoelfir> that might be possible than. hmmm
27:45 <Kuschelpony> hmm maybe one day you get a paket with not only the speakers but also other things to try out
28:25 <Ysjoelfir> lol
28:32 <Ysjoelfir> :P
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35:38 <Ysjoelfir> So, everyone died now? or why is it so quiet?
36:02 <Ysjoelfir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYSjkaLpymA
36:03 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Aquagen - Ihr seid so leise
36:32 <Kuschelpony> im not sure, have no more new things to say :(
37:07 <rust_collector> are you empty?
37:52 <rust_collector> I like the idea of those speakers. Interesting things
38:06 <Ysjoelfir> I am actually not, I am cooking and planning things. but.... meh. I think I need some distraction from time to time.
38:12 <Kuschelpony> oh im already empty since years, just sometimes there is a small dip of ideas and motivation
38:52 <Kuschelpony> i meant small peak
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40:11 <rust_collector> I can coffee you, mr head
40:24 <Ysjoelfir> EEVBot give coffee to electrohead
40:24 * EEVBot drowns electrohead in coffee
40:29 <Ysjoelfir> thanks EEVBot
40:34 <rust_collector> I have nice thicc mean coffee ready
45:25 <electrohead> lol
45:27 <electrohead> thanks :p
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