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00:44 * Ampera is listening to some good ol' DnB
03:32 <Ysjoelfir> Drugs n Base?
05:10 <T3sl4> dirty nasty bastard?
05:17 <Ampera> no, I never listen to you, T3sl4
05:30 <T3sl4> wise
06:46 <Ampera> "Vice President Kamala Harris appeared to correct President Joe Biden during his State of the Union address after he mixed up Ukrainians with Iranians."
06:50 <Ampera> he really is stuck in the 80's
08:19 <T3sl4> he's a pretty good public speaker tbh, considering he used to studder quite badly IIRC
08:42 <Ampera> I listened to one of the addresses he made, and he stumbles over his words pretty bad
08:46 <Ampera> I would not consider him a good orator.
09:15 <T3sl4> better than me, though with some experience i could probably do better
09:25 <T3sl4> so, at least average
09:26 <Ampera> I mean, better than most people, but that doesn't mean much.
09:33 <T3sl4> yes
09:50 <Ampera> I'd say below average for a politician
10:12 <T3sl4> obama tho, he's quite good at that
10:21 <Ampera> and tbh, being a good orator and being highly competent at maintaining discourse is the two things that I care about the most in a president.
10:27 <Ampera> He was a decent orator.
11:05 <Ampera> Trump, despite nothing but bullshit ever leaving his mouth, was also a remarkably good orator.
11:11 <Ampera> It's not necessarily about what you say, more how you say it
11:34 <Ampera> he fucked up the wording of his speeches about as much as Biden, but he handles it far better, and doesn't trip and stutter as much
11:46 <Ampera> his voice is irritating though, which kinda fucks that up
11:56 * electrohead stabs Ampera
11:56 <Ampera> it sounds like he's snorting his own ballsack
12:16 <Ampera> electrohead, you know just how to greet me
12:27 * Ampera smashes electrohead face first into a deli slicer
12:41 <T3sl4> yeah, as stupid as trump is, i get the impression that, lacking the time to just... parse his gibberish, i would be dragged along nodding politely if i had somehow reason to talk to him in person
12:42 <electrohead> well when I jump on IRC and the first thing I read in this channel is you talking about trump, yeah I won't be happy
12:53 * T3sl4 ricinizes electrohead's stabby
13:13 * Ysjoelfir joins the stabbing action
13:25 <T3sl4> aye capt'n my capt'n
13:54 <electrohead> lol
13:57 <electrohead> hey Ysjoelfir
14:08 * electrohead coffees T3sl4
14:10 <T3sl4> gosh, what was that even, like mid-late 2000s porn? captain stabbin?
14:20 * T3sl4 shrugs, sips the beverage instead
14:28 <Ampera> At least we have a break from the nonstop unfiltered media barrage of the orange man
15:09 <Ampera> instead we have far more interesting, and far more depressing news about holocaust memorials being bombed.
15:10 <T3sl4> it's been rather stop for me, i hardly see him anymore in the regular route of feeds i read
15:39 <Ampera> So long as it stays that way, he'll never get reelected.
15:52 <Ampera> His popularity comes exclusively from being a counterculture media sensation
16:39 <Ampera> Now if only we can force the democrats to hold honest internal elections, we might actually have some candidates worth voting for.
17:04 <Ampera> Instead of the literal bottom of the barrel old guard trimmings bulked up by people too scared of people making actual meaningful impact.
17:05 <T3sl4> hopefully these primaries go better than last
17:10 <Ampera> They won't.
17:14 <Ampera> Democratic primaries are a farce
17:33 <Ampera> Republican ones aren't, and the republicans really aren't happy about it.
17:53 <Ampera> because that means instead of being able to veto loose cannons like Trump, they have to smile, nod, and deal with him
18:11 <Ampera> I suppose it doesn't matter, establishment, anti-establishment, anti-anti-establishment
18:14 <Ampera> they're all paid off crooks
18:40 <T3sl4> it's tempting to vote repub just to spoil their primaries with the shittiest psycho candidates on offer
18:59 <Ampera> I am a registered republican for one main reason
19:08 <Ampera> one party states, regardless of the party, are always a mistake
19:17 <Ampera> and I most certainly live in a one party state
19:38 <T3sl4> mmmm
20:38 <Ampera> From a bigger picture approach, I honestly think making the Republican more liberal would be easier than making the Democrats less
20:39 <Ampera> uh
20:51 <Ampera> however you can even categorize them
21:11 <Ampera> ultra conservative with hip, trendy, progressive advertising
21:30 <T3sl4> well, less authoritarian is the ultimate goal, regardless of left/right, but something more functional overall would be nice
21:39 <Ampera> I can agree.
22:03 <Ampera> NY's really suffering from a completely uncontested legislature, and it's gonna stay that way for a while.
22:15 <Ampera> I've mentioned before how the democrats have legalized and enforced gerrymandering
22:20 <Ampera> since there's literally nobody who can tell them no
23:14 <T3sl4> indeed, R's might be more guity of it across the nation but it's a systemic problem, used to secure any incumbent position, period
23:43 <Ampera> Across the nation, I'm not sure. Democrats don't tend to play an overt game.
23:50 <T3sl4> runoff or other improved voting methods would be nice
28:34 <electrohead> so, how goes the things?
28:43 <T3sl4> it goes
28:47 <Ysjoelfir> nicely, and your thing?
29:23 <electrohead> well, better once I find my old phone
29:29 <electrohead> it's floating around somewhere, guh
29:35 <electrohead> fucking thing just went *poof*
29:39 <electrohead> missing in action.
29:48 <Ysjoelfir> thats bad
29:54 <Ampera> did you ever end up using that pinephone I sent you?
29:59 * T3sl4 beans electro in the head with a nokia
30:10 * Ampera beans T3sl4 in the head with a kidney
30:45 * T3sl4 beans Ampera with some adorable h*ckin kittehs
33:11 <Ampera> you can say heck here
33:13 <Ampera> I'm not your mom
33:18 <Ampera> but she is right next to me, and says it's fine
33:43 <electrohead> Ampera: not fully, yet. but, I'm wanting to get the newest hardware revision, eventually
34:02 <electrohead> T3sl4: did you steal my N900 from me, just to bean me with it? :p
34:03 <Ampera> I don't intend to buy foss phones until they put actual decent hardware in them
34:12 <Ampera> the pinephone pro is better, but it's still pathetically weak
34:27 <Ampera> electrohead, you're complaining that he found it for you?
34:43 <electrohead> I know where that phone is
34:50 <electrohead> the one that is missing, is my nexus 5x
35:16 <electrohead> and yes, I checked my phone graveyard. it's not there :/
40:06 <electrohead> hrmm, even though my pfsense box is down partially, I can at least power up the main wireless AP, since I know for a fact that the 5x was connected via wifi, for signal app
40:26 <electrohead> and I can attempt to ping it, of course if the damn phone still has some charge left in the battery
40:33 <Ampera> I think I'm gonna start work on my new router today
40:49 <electrohead> oh yeah?
40:56 <Ampera> most of it will probably just be general server maintenance, and trying to find a solution for managing all my many jails
41:16 <Ampera> I kinda hate the idea of using templates, but there aren't many better options
42:10 <Ampera> what I might do is a sort of reverse template, writing deployment scripts that can build whatever jail I am using quicker than I can update it
42:24 <Ampera> since I can just take a base install, clone it, install some ports, copy configs, and be mostly done
42:44 <electrohead> I'm curious about all the scripts and such you make
42:51 <Ampera> you shouldn't be
43:01 <Ampera> they're literally the most basic, verbose, bourne shell things ever
43:10 <Ampera> if I have PHP, sometimes I use that
43:25 <Ampera> as at least I have a syntax that doesn't make me want to kill myself
44:06 <K> php for shell scripts is quite nice
44:40 <T3sl4> i actually have php7 installed, i feel so dirty.
44:47 <K> uninstall it
44:50 <Ampera> why does that make you feel dirty
44:51 <K> and install php8
44:55 <Ampera> php runs a good chunk of the modern web
44:55 <K> 7 is eol
45:01 <Ampera> 7 isn't EOL
45:02 <T3sl4> not like i actually use it, just because it's a thing for a thing
45:27 <Ampera> a good bit of software, particularly mediawiki in application for me, doesn't work on PHP 8 yet
45:38 <K> 7.4 is on the way out
45:45 <Ampera> it is, but it's still supported.
45:46 <K> nrnd
45:49 <T3sl4> i have a python or two that i'l eventually learn to use, eventually
45:57 <Ampera> python sucks
46:01 <Ampera> worst language ever
46:02 <K> python is eew
46:02 <T3sl4> Ampera sucks
46:05 <Ampera> ^^^
46:27 <Ampera> the only thing worse is node.js, but that's a framework not a language, and javascript isn't /that/ bad
46:40 <Ampera> nothing like running someone's shitty dockerfile that breaks because npm
46:47 <K> js itself has some problems
46:54 <Ampera> js has a heap of problems
46:54 <K> it is the browser infra that is awful
47:05 <Ampera> but the language itself is alright I guess
47:08 <T3sl4> js by itself, without 3rd party libs, is fine
47:21 <T3sl4> ANYTHING, with 3rd party libs and other cruft and tech debt, is ass
47:23 <Ampera> its async model is ass backwards, but makes sense for its event driven nature
47:39 <Ampera> the complete and total lack of threading is fucking bullshit, though
48:00 <electrohead> alright, so I can't ping the phone, as it's probably still set to the guest network (which pure dhcp, no static IPs or etc)
48:10 <Ampera> threading/forking is practically a problem solved for you with event/request driven languages
48:25 <T3sl4> i mean that part makes sense in context, it's supposed to be single threaded period so it doesn't matter, nothing else happens until execution finishes. how you patch it in on top of that, is just whatever
48:25 <Ampera> <3 static DHCP allocations
48:39 <Ampera> it makes no sense
49:03 <Ampera> an event model where race conditions kinda can't exist is the easiest thing to multithread, philosophically
49:20 <Ampera> that's how PHP works, through things like php-fpm thread pools
49:50 <K> php is shared nothing, can not access other swimmer in the pool
49:57 <K> unless you roll some wierd ass ipc
50:14 <K> but then you are asking for it
50:27 <electrohead> looking at dhcp lease logs from that most recent backup, *that day* my phone was connected
50:29 <electrohead> hrmm
50:32 <electrohead> the mystery continues.
50:52 <Ampera> how is knowing the IP supposed to help you find it
51:20 <electrohead> I'm implying that I'm double checking to see the last time it was connected
51:41 <Ampera> unless you think someone actually stole it, I don't see how that helps
51:41 <electrohead> just sucks that pfsense partially shit itself, due to .. the one NIC becoming flaky?
52:01 <Ampera> pfsense is growing more proprietary by the day
52:24 <Ampera> they're discontinuing the community edition, and basically adopting the redhat model of free pro version for kids under this tall
52:49 <electrohead> ok, since you brought that up again, want to come manually redo my network for me, and painstakingly switch my config to opnsense?
53:13 <Ampera> just as soon as I finish reconfiguring my network on top of FreeBSD
54:18 <Ampera> https://www.netgate.com/blog/migrate-from-pfsense-ce-software-to-netgate-pfsense-plus-software
54:18 <EEVBot> [Title] - Migrate from pfSense CE software to Netgate pfSense Plus software!
54:22 <Ampera> fucking disgusting
56:37 <electrohead> fucking great
56:59 <Ampera> I'm excited, though
57:00 <K> stop fucking everytginf.
57:01 <electrohead> well, since I have a new T620 (plus model) on the way, I guess I'll just install opnsense
57:18 <Ampera> I finally get to have the raw components configured in a way I can script stuff
57:25 <Ampera> idk what I'm gonna script, but at least I know what I'm getting
57:26 * electrohead moves K's fingers over a tad bit
57:39 <Ampera> and can more easily run things like a real DNS server, and better VPN stuff
03:54 <K> everthinh
09:48 <electrohead> fuuuuuuuuuuuck. I really can't be fucked to migrate my damn config over
09:50 <electrohead> so much work >.<
09:58 <electrohead> but, it needs to be done
11:26 <Ampera> that's what you get for using "free" software from a corp
12:06 * jaymax frees corporate control from Ampera
12:52 <electrohead> oh, so it's on me, now?
13:54 <jaymax> > pfsense
13:58 <jaymax> OH FUK
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15:04 <Antarez> be sure you only run pfsense's web interface on 127.0.0.1 and access it via a SSH tunnel and a clean browser ;)
15:07 <jaymax> RIP my inet as well
15:21 <Ampera> electrohead, don't forget I run it too
15:27 <Ampera> we're all equally fucking worthless
15:41 <Ampera> Antarez, I will be sure to do none of those things
15:41 <electrohead> "Checkout the OPNsense® Business Edition"
15:49 <Antarez> Ampera, ok ;)
15:50 <Ampera> but my new solution will not have any web interface
15:55 <electrohead> Antarez: why?
15:57 <jaymax> Is this shi9t fork-able?
16:11 <Antarez> there are still massive unfixed security problems in the web interface
16:12 <Ampera> the only thing unique about pfsense or opnsense is their web panels
16:18 <Ampera> the rest of it is just FreeBSD
16:19 <electrohead> proof?
16:28 <electrohead> show us, please
16:43 <Antarez> there still should be some in their tracker
16:44 <Ampera> I believe it, but I presently adopt the naive approach of just believing my LAN is secure
17:07 <Ampera> this is something I plan to change, but well after I delete pfSense from my life
17:09 <electrohead> I believe it as well, but I just like actually seeing it, versus just saying something is insecure, guh
17:23 <Antarez> the most worrying to me was cross site request forgery, hence the clean browser
17:34 <Antarez> don't just take my word for it, though
17:42 <electrohead> I'm not lol
17:47 <Ampera> I wonder if you can just install the pfsense/opnsense panel on FreeBSD
17:53 <Antarez> I know at least one security researcher who stopped bothering reporting
17:55 <electrohead> you probably could
18:00 <Ampera> really, there should just be an open web management solution for FreeBSD
18:22 <Ampera> because I strongly disagree with the principle of maintaining entire distributions just for an appliance purpose, when the origin distribution is fully capable of doing the exact same thing
18:37 <Ampera> it means you're now another step further down the line from security fixes, and possible problems
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24:22 <T3sl4> also electrohead: https://imgur.com/gallery/iSm5U1G
24:23 <EEVBot> [Title] - And now to something completely different - Album on Imgur
24:53 <K> no.
25:28 * electrohead spews coffee all over the everythings
27:19 <T3sl4> unsanitary.
27:46 * Ampera gives T3sl4 a special pad that is supposed to make things sanitary.
28:04 * T3sl4 thais it
28:07 <jaymacks> Daffyd Thomas found a job?
29:21 <jaymacks> https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ff/4e/33/ff4e33746eaa3bd70536222e3e8b587b.jpg
29:42 <Ampera> how much do I have to pay you to never send that image to anyone ever again
29:59 <jaymacks> 2oz of gold.
30:09 <T3sl4> how much do i have to pay you to always send that to Ampera again
30:37 <Ampera> but remember, I hold all the cards
30:41 <Ampera> and they're all 7 of diamons
30:44 <Ampera> diamonds
30:59 <Ampera> the ultimate null hand
34:33 <T3sl4> null hand luke
40:02 <hsn> u math geeks anyone can help me find my mistake : https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/4394374/deriving-laplace-of-tn ?
40:03 <EEVBot> [Title] - solution verification - deriving laplace of (t^n) - Mathematics Stack Exchange
45:42 <T3sl4> it seems you discovered a recurrence relationship
45:50 <Ampera> auto-away is a fucking sin
45:58 <Ampera> especially when software doesn't let you disable it
46:11 <Ampera> and double especially when the mechanism to detect if you're actually away is broken
46:43 Quit: arch_meme ([email protected]) Quit: Leaving
46:49 Join: arch ([email protected]) to #eevblog
50:31 <hsn> T3sl4, lol
50:33 <hsn> yes
10:59 * jaymacks never leaves
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57:50 * electrohead attaches jaymacks to a tree
58:38 * jaymacks gets attachment issues
59:56 <jaymacks> How's it going, Electron App?
17:47 <K> no need to call ppl vile stuff
18:24 <K> this is place for civil discussions!
18:31 <K> "a place"?
18:41 <K> can not english :/
21:59 * jaymacks FlatPaks K
22:19 <K> you fiend
22:49 <jaymacks> Nah, I'm just a friend lacking an R
22:55 * Ampera replaces all of jaymacks' software with poorly made dockerfiles, every single one having broken dependencies
23:24 <jaymacks> Ooooh, Docker. Sounds bloated.
23:45 <K> get docked!
24:01 <jaymacks> Space docked? No thanks.
52:03 <electrohead> electron app?
52:04 <electrohead> lmfao
52:25 <electrohead> well, just ran the last ethernet cable under the house
52:28 <electrohead> that's done completely \o/
52:51 <electrohead> still need to put the connectors on that cable, but that line was over to the music/tech room, and I barely touched that, yet
53:15 <electrohead> so, at least the line is ran, just so this summer when I get to that room, I won't have to be under the house in the crawl space, getting freaked out by all the fucking spiders >.<
55:57 * jaymacks releases the pheromones for more spidey-fuckfest
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03:03 <electrohead> lol
03:27 <electrohead> you should change your nick to jaysmacks, just so whenever you 'smack that ass', you have a reference to go by
05:30 Quit: Skaface82 ([email protected]) Quit: Bye
08:09 Nick: jaymacks is now known as jaysmacks
08:24 * jaysmacks electrohead 
08:38 Nick: jaysmacks is now known as jaymacks
08:54 <jaymacks> Lmao
32:32 Join: Nothing\ ([email protected]) to #eevblog
35:34 <Nothing\> fuckin drain cleaners
35:43 <Nothing\> figures the one i've got has sodium hydroxide in it
35:48 <Nothing\> but also bleach for some reason
36:02 Quit: rust_collector ([email protected]) EOF from client
36:08 <Nothing\> and the other one i have is JUST bleach. I dunno about you but I don't really think "makes a great drain cleaner" when I think of bleach
36:41 <Nothing\> oh well actually i realized that'd make it more interesting to react with HCL
37:16 <Nothing\> i'm not sure how violently hcl and sodium hydroxide are but i know hcl and bleach makes some nice YELLOW actual chlorine gas
37:35 <Nothing\> not the white whatever the hell gas it is that's made when you mix it with ammonia that people claim is chlorine
39:23 * Ampera grabs the bleach from Nothing\ and downs the entire gallon
39:26 <Ampera> thanks, I needed that
39:27 <steve30> I know some bleaches contain some sodium hydroxide
39:35 <Ampera> steve30, that's a lye
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58:04 <Nothing\> weird
58:25 <Nothing\> there's a tiny bit of reddish pink light coming off of the IR LEDs attached to my Wii
58:35 <Nothing\> especially strange since it's not plugged in
58:38 <Nothing\> lol
58:59 <Ampera> Likely a reflection
59:08 <Nothing\> probably just sunlight or something. I dunno what material or filter that weird black stuff's made of but it has a weird color
00:02 <Nothing\> Ampera, i did have one remote with a clear IR LED that really did emit a very faint amount of red light and also a faint beep for some reason lol
00:14 <Nothing\> i could only hear/see it in a perfectly dark and quiet room but it was there
00:51 <Nothing\> i figure it's probably just the spectrum's so wide and close to visible light, there's probably a teensy bit of actual red being generated
01:08 <Ampera> or maybe your eyes are just really good and you can see near IR
01:17 <Nothing\> could be :o
01:24 <Nothing\> actually some people can see into the UV
01:33 <Ampera> not for long
02:01 <Nothing\> interestingly, some people who have had cataract surgery and had their lenses replaced often get that. Or they did, I believe they put UV filters on the lenses now. Can't be very good for your retinas to be exposed to that much UV anyways.
02:13 <Nothing\> oh jeez just imagine getting arc flash with something like that
03:01 <Nothing\> but i've also read about people who are genuine tetrachromats who can see into the UV by some sort of physical anomaly. I'm not sure how it works.
03:52 <Nothing\> much as i dislike the guy, Veritasium made an interesting video where he shows different things on a UV camera. It's really neat how different things look but holy crap UV makes your skin look awful.
04:26 <Nothing\> I even noticed with my UV flashlight, it highlights every little blemish and spot of dirt or sweat on your skin.
04:29 <Kuschelpony> interesting that you see it as reddish pink
04:44 <Nothing\> Kuschelpony, oh i think that's just the reflection of the cover
04:53 <Kuschelpony> for me its a cherry red
04:57 <Kuschelpony> ah ok
04:59 <Nothing\> Kuschelpony, but if you're a PKD fan it's exactly the color i imagine the laser in VALIS would have looked like
05:17 <Kuschelpony> oh no idea what you are talking about sorry
05:37 <Kuschelpony> my experience is about the border of 850nm near-IR diodes
05:47 <Nothing\> he wrote a book based on his own experiences where "god" who is actually a satellite from an ancient alien race beams immense amounts of information into his head via a pinkish red laser
06:02 <Nothing\> Kuschelpony, it's okay it's a very obscure reference.
06:12 <Nothing\> i'd be very surprised if you got it
06:39 <Kuschelpony> oh the stuff i read is more obscure :) just not anyway to movies related
07:32 <Kuschelpony> btw: i also had read about females having tetrachromatic vision (only with their chromosomes possible) bu that adds more yellow nuances and doesnt change the blue end
07:44 <Nothing\> ah, well pkd's certainly had lots of movies done of his works. Maybe more than any other sci-fi author now that i think about it. But I don't think any movie could ever do VALIS justice AND be successful
07:54 <Nothing\> your average joe would NOT enjoy VALIS at all
08:15 <Nothing\> 99% of it would be over their head and the other 1% would just come off as the nonsensical ravings of a schizophrenic
08:49 <Nothing\> lots of heavy references to philosophy and theological scholar...ism? not sure what the word is
08:58 <Nothing\> the research of books having to do with said subject
09:21 <Nothing\> but yeah it references religious texts even your local vicker would be hard pressed to know
10:05 <Nothing\> *vicar
10:33 <Nothing\> anyways, I picked up some hydrochloric acid yesterday
11:03 <Nothing\> lol it's $15 for a gallon of 30 molar at the local hardware store. Sold as rust remover. Whereas on Amazon I was looking at paying $50 for 0.5 molar. WTF
11:37 <Nothing\> I think it's the worst mark up I've seen
11:57 <T3sl4> steve30: https://imgur.com/gallery/Vq0Jj49
11:58 <EEVBot> [Title] - Cat in a hat - Album on Imgur
12:11 <Nothing\> actually I just saw this video of a "vein finding" device which shines a green light on you and highlights your veins somehow
12:42 <Nothing\> which is dumb because that's not going to make it any easier to draw blood. Finding a vein isn't the problem, it's the vein being small or positioned awkwardly and rolling when you try to insert the needle.
13:08 <Nothing\> That's not to say finding a vein can't be a problem. But it's usually not for any phlebotomist worth their wage
14:26 <Nothing\> maybe for a child or baby. But if the veins are that small anyways they'll forego intravenous and opt instead for intraosseous infusion. Which is where they drill into your shin and insert a canula into the bone to deliver drugs into your marrow, which eventually make their way into the blood stream.
14:35 <Nothing\> It's clever as hell, but holy crap it gives me the creeps.
14:56 <Nothing\> Anything about anything piercing or drilling into or cutting or even touching my bones is just ICK
15:31 * steve30 meows at T3sl4 
15:40 * T3sl4 pets Nothing\
15:41 <Nothing\> like I found out when the dentist does a nerve block on your lower jaw when you get a filling. They have to advance the needle until it makes contact with your jaw bone so they know they're in the right spot.
16:28 <Nothing\> Which I had no clue about. But now I get the willies any time I get one of those shots. And they already gave me the willies cuz they're so close to the damn nerve. I've actually had the dentist hit the nerve more than once. Which is the worst pain ever, hands down. But holy shit the numbing works literally instantly lol.
16:33 * Nothing\ purrs
16:35 * Nothing\ hugs T3sl4 
16:48 <Nothing\> T3sl4 friend me good
16:54 <TheDude> hello
16:59 <Nothing\> hey TheDude
17:05 * T3sl4 beers TheDude
17:26 <Nothing\> TheDude, i've gotta ask, is your name an intentional reference to The Big Lebowski? Or just something else, and that just happens to be a coincidence?
17:41 <Nothing\> T3sl4, oh did you see my little thing about buying HCL and the disgusting markup on amazon?
18:32 <Nothing\> seriously, i've seen some disgusting markups of electronics, like that vein finding thing which is basically a flashlight, some LEDs and an MCU probably, plus plastic case and optics to spread the light, plus PCB and some random passives. Total cost is probably no more than $10 tops.
18:32 <TheDude> nah, it's intentional
18:45 <Nothing\> T3sl4, oh i have no doubt it's intentional
18:50 <Nothing\> oh doy
18:51 <Nothing\> lol
18:58 <TheDude> I watched that movie many times
19:03 <TheDude> knew many quotes :)
19:03 <Nothing\> sorry i thought you were T3sl4 responding to what i said saying the markup is intentional
19:13 <Nothing\> apparently my brain only reads the first letter of everyone's name
19:23 <Nothing\> TheDude, that's awesome though. Big respect for that.
19:44 <T3sl4> shrug, either it's shipping (ORM-D?) or bad sellers
19:49 <Nothing\> TheDude, so then i don't need to tell you about our dude and savior?
19:55 <Nothing\> :P
19:56 <T3sl4> or, idk if the rules are weird up there
20:07 <Nothing\> T3sl4, bad sellers i have no doubt
20:19 * TheDude abides
20:19 <T3sl4> that's just, like, your opinion, Nothing\
20:19 <Nothing\> T3sl4, and bad amazon actually. Fuck I've found sodium hydroxide NASAL SPRAY on amazon
20:35 <T3sl4> that would be contraindicated
20:41 <Nothing\> lol yeah really
21:00 <Nothing\> oh man lol i was such a dumb shit when i was a kid (teen)
21:52 <Nothing\> i had a percodan this one time, aspirin+oxy and I wanted to snort it, but i knew the aspirin would hurt. So I took a teeny little piece off and test snorted it and holy hell it felt like I just snorted battery acid.
22:01 <Nothing\> Which probably would have done less damage to my sinuses
22:36 <Nothing\> i'm just glad i had the sense to try a tiny piece first. But I feel sorry for all of the poor sods who didn't think to do that and didn't know any better and tried snorting percodan anyways
23:02 <Nothing\> but the companies do that on purpose. They add stuff like aspirin or tylenol to it to cause "side effects" if you try to abuse it by taking too much
23:42 <T3sl4> because what every drug addict needs is definitely more liver failure
23:47 <Nothing\> and by side effects i mean, your liver fails and you either die or need a liver transplant in the case of tylenol. And there are no symptoms until it's too late. By the time you notice anything's wrong, your liver's already damaged beyond repair.
24:49 <Nothing\> and for the aspirin, it destroys your stomach, thins your blood, which i'm not sure if that can cause hemorrhaging but i could see that, and little known fact is it also causes damage to your hearing, which I wound up getting in a semiunrelated incident
25:10 <steve30> sodium hydroxide nasal spray? wtf?
25:36 <Ampera> going down for maintenance, brb (cc Ysjoelfir )
25:38 <jaymax> Trump-branded Sunshine. :^D
26:01 <Nothing\> T3sl4, yeah no shit. They excuse they use is it makes the pain reliever more effective. Which it definitely does. But if that's the case, give your patient the option of taking it. Like what if your patient already has liver problems and their stomach doesn't tolerate NSAIDs like me. Every time I tried to mention that to a doctor, they treated me like i was drug seeking (even when i wasn't)
26:09 <Nothing\> cuz it's the classic bullshit drug seekers use
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26:10 Quit: Ysjoelfir ([email protected]) Quit: Ampera! Your bouncer died!
26:10 Quit: Ampera ([email protected]) Quit: Like a fart in an elevator, my transgressions are soon forgotten
26:14 <Nothing\> i know because i did it
27:05 <Nothing\> i used all of the tricks, i doctor shopped, i abused the system. I was everything I hate about people like that who make doctors wary of trusting anyone and so treat patients who genuinely need help like they're drug addicts who are trying to scam some pills out of them.
27:54 <Nothing\> And even IF a patient scams some pills out of them. What's gonna happen? They get maybe 20 tylenol 3s or percocets or something, it lasts them 2 or 3 days, then what? They go back and ask the doctor again? Well then he can know for sure they're playing him.
28:26 <Nothing\> but they act like it's the end of the world if they let even just 1 bottle of opiates fall into the hands of an addict
28:53 <Nothing\> Health Canada's even recommended against using opiates as a treatment for pain, including cancer and chemo related pain
29:04 <Nothing\> instead they recommend things like breathing exercises and meditation
29:08 * Nothing\ rolls his eyes
29:42 <Nothing\> and the stupid thing is, it's been very well established by many agencies and countries around the world, including Canada, that the opiates of concern don't come from pharmacies
29:54 <TheDude> T3sl4, how do you affix a heavy toroidal inductor to the board? I fear just 2 solder joints might not be good enough to keep it fixed. Two holes on the sides and zip tie through them?
29:56 <Nothing\> it's the fentanyl and fentanyl analogs that are coming in from the Chinese labs
30:06 <Nothing\> i used to buy drugs from people who ordered from these labs
30:21 <TheDude> heavy being 45g, fwiw
30:25 <Nothing\> they'd buy grams of fentanyl at a time (a dose is maybe 0.075mg)
30:26 <DHess_US> They make mounts for toroids, or you can punch a couple holes and zip tie it.
30:46 <Nothing\> and i know the big time guys buy kilos of the shit at a time
30:57 <DHess_US> Or you could even attach it with silicon rubber adhesive.
31:11 <Nothing\> which makse me wonder how they don't die. I mean a dose that small is like a grain of salt. You catch it on an errant breeze and you'd be liable to overdose.
31:25 <Nothing\> i bet a lot of people working for cartels die like that
31:37 * Nothing\ sighs
31:41 <Nothing\> it's just all so sad
31:45 <TheDude> I prefer the idea of zip tie to silicone
31:52 <Nothing\> then i think of the stuff in ukraine and all that
31:57 <TheDude> the latter seems like a hassle in case I need to take it off some time later
32:06 <DHess_US> TheDude, zip ties don't last forever either. They become brittle with age.
32:12 <Nothing\> and people wonder why i don't want to live in this world. Why I want to die. (not kill myself mind you)
32:20 <Nothing\> DHess_US, i didn't know that
32:33 <TheDude> oh?
32:40 <Nothing\> DHess_US, i know rubbers become brittle with age and oh actually what are zip ties made of? polyethylene?
32:46 <DHess_US> Some are better than others. But some become brittle and will eventually break.
32:57 <DHess_US> Nothing\, usually nylon
33:09 <TheDude> I've seen them do that, but only ones that were exposed to sunlight
33:16 <Nothing\> hrm i wonder if it's subject to the same degredation over time as PET then
33:20 <DHess_US> Even without exposure
33:34 <Nothing\> cuz I found some like 10+ year old PET bags in a drawer once, and they were pretty much falling apart
33:50 <Nothing\> it really made me realize how plastic garbage in the ocean can be such a problem if it degrades in that manner
33:51 <TheDude> ... what if I use TWO ZIPTIES? (👁 ͜ʖ👁)
34:09 <Nothing\> it really did just break up into smaller and smaller and smaller pieces until it was almost a powder
34:34 <Nothing\> and i can imagine being pounded against a surf, other plastics that break down like that would be pulverized
34:53 <TheDude> that does happen
34:57 <TheDude> and that's a problem lol :D
34:58 <DHess_US> When I need something secured over the long term, I use a piece of insulated solid wire.
35:11 <Nothing\> i always thought microplastics usually came from other sources like say, carpet fibers, or maybe some abrassive action.
35:18 <Nothing\> i didn't really consider how it breaks down
35:28 <Nothing\> i just figured it didn't break down, stayed mostly whole
35:52 <TheDude> I'll put 2 slots for the zipties in the footprint
36:07 <TheDude> I can always replace them with insulated wire or silicone later
36:14 <Nothing\> TheDude, heh i was thinking that (hopefully) 100 years from now we'll look back at the way we used plastics the same way we look back at how we used to give colicky babies medicine full of strychnine, cocaine, opium and other goodies
36:41 <Nothing\> or how we used to use benzene as aftershave because it smells nice
37:01 <Nothing\> which i've never actually had the chance to smell benzene. But I imagine it would smell vaguely like petrol
37:16 <Nothing\> that it would have that sweet, chemically, petroleum sorta smell
37:43 <Nothing\> i wouldn't mind getting a hold of like 5ml of benzene just to smell it
38:13 <Nothing\> and even then, just the gentlest of wafts.
39:17 <DHess_US> For the record, morphine and heroin do treat colic.
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55:36 <T3sl4> TheDude: that can work, sure
55:47 <T3sl4> a bit of glue would be more traditional
56:18 <coppice> he might not have glue, and that could be a sticking point
56:23 <T3sl4> not much of a problem for smaller ones, if this is a big custom kinda jobbie that'll be very relevant
56:49 <TheDude> https://belfuse.com/product/part-details?partn=HCTI-120-6.7
56:49 <Nothing\> wow
56:51 <EEVBot> [Title] - HCTI-120-6.7
57:09 <TheDude> not terribly big, but still a bit hefty to rely on solder to keep them onboard
57:23 <Nothing\> T3sl4, i just found a new (to me) chemistry channel. If you're not familiar it'd be right up your alley.
57:26 <Nothing\> lemme grab you a link
57:42 <T3sl4> ah, more that it'll wobble on the leads without a one of those support frame thingys
58:01 <Nothing\> ah i can never remember the name but i can look up a video from it
58:33 <Nothing\> T3sl4, lol speaking of wobbly tables. I was weighing something on my 1mg scale the other day
58:50 <Nothing\> and i was wondering why weighing it in front of my TV gave it an extra few dozen mg
58:50 <TheDude> I was thinking of just using two zipties, set apart a little bit to keep it in tight in place
59:13 <Nothing\> i didn't realize the tables in front of my TV are jus little tables on carpet, so they're not perfectly level
59:39 <Nothing\> and that being even the slightest bit askew will drastically change the readings of an mg scale. Which i knew, but forgot.
59:53 <Nothing\> this thing's lost accuracy anyways and i dunno how to calibrate it.
00:31 <Nothing\> differences in temperature and humidity going from summer to winter, it's lost about 1.25% accuracy
00:46 <Nothing\> still it's pretty damn good for a $5 scale
01:29 <Nothing\> i remember these deering 10s that were the standard 10mg scales my irc acquaintances got used to be like $50 but these were nice, all metal balance scales.
02:40 <Nothing\> hahah actually i remember back in the day when i first started smoking pot, around 2000, between 2000 and 2005. Dealers would always make a big deal of it if they had a digital scale. Like it was a status symbol or something that made them more trustworthy because they could measure it out in front of you and you could see for yourself how much it weighs
03:00 <Nothing\> though a smart dealer could just tare it to whatever weight
03:31 <Nothing\> but yeah i just rememberede that and found it amusing. Like how Douglas Adams talks about how having a digital watch in the 80's was a big deal.
04:34 <TheDude> like this
04:36 <TheDude> https://www.dropbox.com/s/ruwzyp3c4cm4b1b/Screenshot%202022-03-02%2021.03.57.png?raw=1
05:01 <T3sl4> yeah, that's probably fine
05:09 <TheDude> ty
05:44 <T3sl4> could also glue a plate to the bottom, so there's something to rest on that also grips more of the winding
06:54 <Nothing\> oh man, i dissolved some eggshells in some vinegar to make calcium acetate and then just let the vinegar evaporate. And the calcium acetate formed into these beautiful long, needle shaped crystals. It looks so cool because it refracts the light in a really weird looking way
07:10 <Nothing\> but i'd like to make some "hot ice" out of it
07:25 <Nothing\> though i forget if it's sodium acetate or calcium acetate you make hot ice out of. So I made both.
07:27 <coppice> TheDude: glue is pretty useless for coils, if you are trying to stick them to a PCB. Nothing ever sticks properly to the surface of a PCB. They always come loose.
07:28 <T3sl4> thought that was sodium
07:41 <Nothing\> T3sl4, yeah me too. Although this stuff looks like the same shape crystals
08:03 <TheDude> which kind of glue are we talking of here, btw?
08:07 <T3sl4> coppice: what glues?
08:07 <Nothing\> now that i think about videos of hot ice solidifying. I remember it grows into the same sort of long, needle shaped crystals
08:10 <TheDude> T3sl4, coppice?
08:23 <Nothing\> oh yeah i was getting you a link wasn't i T3sl4 lol
08:29 <Nothing\> i was distracted by a needy kitty
08:47 <T3sl4> i've seen silicones bonded stronger to PCB than themselves
08:57 <coppice> T3sl4: well, I assume you aren't talking about some serious potting with a high performance epoxy
09:06 <Nothing\> hrm no it's not doug's lab. I'm sure you're well aware of him.
09:17 <Nothing\> actually i think you're the one who told ME about Doug's Lab
09:34 <Nothing\> or maybe it was that Mike guy who does electronics videos
09:39 <Nothing\> i forget the channel's name
09:56 <Nothing\> dang it where is this channel
10:14 <Kuschelpony> its also amazing to carefully melt citric acid (do not get it brown) and then let it crystalize at slow cooling
10:17 <coppice> T3sl4: I've seen lots of things that glue to PCB pretty well at manufacture. The snag is most seem to separate after a while, unless the PCB was super effectively cleaned between assembly and glueing
10:39 <Kuschelpony> that looks like ice crystals on a window
11:00 <T3sl4> coppice: surface prep is always key
11:07 <Nothing\> Kuschelpony, ooooh yeah actually i've seen a picture of citric acid crystals and i remember it was really colorful and cool looking. But it may have been under polarized light. Or a thin film effect. I'm not sure.
11:25 <Kuschelpony> likely polarized light
11:29 <Nothing\> T3sl4, aha! here it is!
11:31 <Nothing\> https://www.youtube.com/c/ChemicalForce/videos
11:37 <coppice> T3sl4: which is the problem. You just can't prep the surface well after soldering
11:45 <T3sl4> yeah, lovely slowmo shots Nothing\
11:50 <Nothing\> oh i know, right?
12:14 <Nothing\> i was watching some slowmo videos of acetylene combustion reactions and it's so cool with such a sooty flame
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12:25 * T3sl4 soots Ampera
12:27 <Nothing\> the soot like, condenses into these solid tendrils of carbon in the air
12:33 Quit: Ampera ([email protected]) Changing hosts
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12:53 <Ampera> austnet is a fucking joke
12:54 <Nothing\> it makes me wanna buy some acetylene
12:58 <Nothing\> Ampera, what's wrong?
13:05 <Ampera> they can't renew a cert to save their lives
13:11 <Nothing\> oh really? lol
13:16 <Nothing\> you get a security warning?
13:33 <Ampera> yes, I have to manual override ZNC
13:41 <Nothing\> heh
13:42 <Ampera> damian, yo
13:46 <coppice> T3sl4: Silastic is pretty good for gluing all the big caps and coils together in a power circuit, so they support each other, and spread the load on the PCB over the group :)
13:50 <Nothing\> Ampera, PM him
14:04 <T3sl4> that too
14:57 <TheDude> hold on
15:00 <T3sl4> i don't know what all kinds of glues are used, there was always that brown shit common in the 90s that looked like it flowed under electrolytics fine, and bonded to the phenolic boards as permanently as anything i've seen
15:18 <T3sl4> acrylic is probably more tolerant of contaminants? idk
15:21 <TheDude> wouldn't it be better to not put inductors and capacitors together, to avoid the heat from the inductors cooking the caps?
15:45 <Ampera> new NIC works
15:51 <T3sl4> doesn't matter much if you use shielded inductors for any (AC) power
15:58 <Ampera> or, at least, doesn't panic the kernel when I load the driver
16:15 * T3sl4 attaches gdb to Ampera
16:26 <Ampera> begone copyleftist
16:55 <T3sl4> <3
17:12 <TheDude> erm? why would shielding matter when talking about heat transfer?
17:34 <T3sl4> induction heating, making extra heat :P
17:40 <TheDude> oh lol :D
18:17 <T3sl4> also, use 105C caps, lower loss inductors, etc... :P
18:37 <TheDude> https://eu.mouser.com/ProductDetail/KEMET/ESL227M035AG8AA
18:40 <TheDude> •ᴗ•
19:29 <TheDude> the inductors are going to be wasting about 1.5W each at max load
19:32 <T3sl4> fucking mouser, i just want the part link, don't redirect me to www. and an empty fucking search
19:50 <TheDude> ree, I hate it when they do that shit
19:56 <TheDude> https://eu.mouser.com/ProductDetail/KEMET/ESL227M035AG8AA?qs=sGAEpiMZZMv0NwlthflBi1F3d%252Ba3uuTjZKtqI9ZjeeQ%3D&countrycode=DE&currencycode=EUR
20:07 <TheDude> I intentionally cut the part that seemed irrelevant
20:15 <T3sl4> yeah you need the full link
20:26 <T3sl4> want to say i figured that out long ago
20:46 <TheDude> "don't want to tell us where you got the link to our stuff? fuck you, no stuff for you!"
20:58 <T3sl4> or at dk you can get two links: the product link when you select it from the catalog, or a search link when it's the singular result
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21:55 <T3sl4> what was this thingy again? your inductor is physically larger than this capacitor by multiple times
22:33 <TheDude> TEC driver
22:46 <TheDude> there is going to be a large DC component on that inductor
23:35 <T3sl4> oh yeah, and it's lazy for some reason hence the fat choke?
23:50 <T3sl4> hrm, would this be input or output side cap
23:55 <TheDude> no bully :/
23:57 <TheDude> output
24:24 <T3sl4> cuz it would be another possibility that it's just the choke into the TEC, at that rate
24:32 <T3sl4> but LC would still be cheaper/compacter i think
24:49 <T3sl4> and i mean "it" being lazy, not calling you lazy... not necessarily anyway :P
25:04 <TheDude> well :D
25:16 <TheDude> I might not be doing the smartest possible thing here
25:22 <TheDude> but here's how I plan on doing it
25:53 <TheDude> DC link -> H-bridge -> LC on each phase -> TEC
26:58 <T3sl4> i distinctly remember this being on the forum
27:04 <T3sl4> or was it actually here?
27:14 <TheDude> probably here
27:20 <TheDude> I don't recall discussing this on the forum
27:30 <TheDude> or at least it was not me
27:37 <Kuschelpony> thedude, that seems to be right
28:47 <TheDude> anyhow, the idea is to have it running at max efficiency by supplying it with DC, but doing it semi-efficiently
29:05 <TheDude> some TEC regulators I've seen online are actually linear for some reason
30:06 <T3sl4> because people are lazy(ier)
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32:25 <TheDude> even professional units designed to cater to researchers and stuff
32:34 <TheDude> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
32:55 <T3sl4> well researchers can just install more AC units, right?
33:12 <TheDude> :)
35:58 <Kuschelpony> i have not yet tried, but a class D audio amplifier, dc coupled, should do all you need in a readymade package
36:22 <Kuschelpony> perhaps even with feedback modified to be a PI regulator
37:02 <T3sl4> might be nice
37:39 <TheDude> nah, build it from the ground up and control everything :)
38:51 <T3sl4> also wonder if "flying inductor" converters can do that sort of thing, not sure about where you're getting feedback from though, or telling it to "buck/boost" (fwd/rev)
39:19 <T3sl4> but those are some kind of h-bridgey thing (but split at the top, hence the arbitrary range input/output)
40:03 <T3sl4> what i'd reach for, for a unidirectional load, is just a buck reg, DAC into resistor into FB pin to adjust setting, maybe logic pin to EN
40:11 <Kuschelpony> the capacitor of the integrator might get impractical, but i would take feedback right from a NTC or other temperature sensor
40:33 <Kuschelpony> oh sorry i was typing too slow
40:35 <TheDude> this is not going to be a unidirectional load
40:41 <TheDude> it's going both ways
41:02 <T3sl4> for bidirectional, you need an H bridge, could still be done the same way but with sync bucks, but they may have to be forced to continuous switching to maintain full wave operation
41:33 <T3sl4> and then maybe you use the ENs also to control which one is switching, and there's some changeover logic near zero, which is kinda sucky, but meh?
41:54 <TheDude> idk, I just though of the simplest possible thing I could do
42:14 <T3sl4> anything about DC motor control, would be fine; not sure if good filtering is usually available with those, they might be intended more for just, put it right there on the motor and don't worry about EMI wink wink
42:30 <TheDude> have a full H-bridge switching at 50% duty on idle and then just have the duty on either side moving in one direction
42:56 <T3sl4> class D audio amp is just a higher bandwidth version of that, which may or may not have AC coupling, bridging, various protective features etc, so, all things you want to look up
43:07 <T3sl4> (obv you need a bridged amp, for the h-bridge output stage)
43:15 <Ampera> don't speak my name
43:17 <TheDude> right, yeah
43:27 <Ampera> you will curse your tongue, and the air you breathe
43:34 <TheDude> anyhow, we do electric motor drives at work
43:35 <T3sl4> Ampera: they say when you know the name of a demon, you can command it
43:47 <Ampera> you don't know my real name though
43:49 <Ampera> this is an alias
43:55 <TheDude> so I'm essentially taking the exact same concept, taking one phase out of the equation and adding some LC filtering
43:57 <TheDude> that's it :D
44:22 <T3sl4> well, no FOC or whatever too ;)
45:00 <TheDude> yeah, the regulation is going to be just a smidge simpler :D
47:28 <T3sl4> so, just cranking that at like 100 or 200kHz would be fine, seems like it should take a smaller inductor?
48:36 <TheDude> I was thinking of doing 50kHz initially
48:45 * electrohead gropes T3sl4
48:54 * T3sl4 grapes electrohead, wrathily
49:27 <TheDude> will definitely have to see what my drivers can handle, as they are just 1A according to the datasheet
49:42 <TheDude> I did pick reasonably low total charge transistors though
50:07 <T3sl4> you must have some big motherfuckers to need over an amp of drive at regular rates like these
50:38 <TheDude> https://eu.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Nexperia/BUK7Y43-60EX?qs=sGAEpiMZZMsUJpHmmVieqEqR0O7%2FR3QwjORkKIOh%252BEA%3D&countrycode=DE&currencycode=EUR
51:07 <T3sl4> teeny boi
51:58 <TheDude> yup
03:29 <Nothing\> huh
03:37 <Nothing\> i guess japan isn't banned from russian airspace
03:45 <Nothing\> https://flightaware.com/live/flight/ANA216
04:06 <Ampera> russia is shooting itself in the foot with that one more than anything
04:15 <Ampera> it most certainly is a decision rooted in politics, not economics
04:34 <Ampera> they make a killing from overflight charges, and banning almost everyone from your airspaces makes commerce even harder than it already is now
05:03 <Nothing\> Ampera, i guess 2 russian planes entered canadian airspace today from the united states, i think they were still in the US from before the flight ban and trying to make it home. But the FAA had to divert them from flying into Canadian airspace
05:14 <Nothing\> or direct them out of canadian airspace or something
06:38 <Nothing\> but all of these russian planse are still going to be stuck in other countries from before the ban. But there's a sanction against selling aviation fuel to russians. And they can't fly over so many different countries. So not only do they have little to no fuel, but tehy have to fly a really roundabout path to get home.
06:47 <Nothing\> It sounds like more than a few of them will get stranded.
08:24 <DHess_US> What crimper would be used with this ring terminal? https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00NVCZUYK/
14:31 <jaymacks> Pliers
14:53 <Nothing\> lol
15:19 <jaymacks> It's always pliers when broke AF
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15:37 <Nothing\> there was a driver with 50+ infractions in Ireland that the police were looking for. A polish bloke named Pravo Jazdy. The police put so many resources into looking for this guy.
16:19 <Nothing\> turns out Pravo Jazdy is the Polish word for "driver's license" and the police mistakenly put that down as the person's name any time somebody with a polish license was ticketed
16:21 <Nothing\> lol
16:43 <Nothing\> which makes me wonder why they don't just ask their name
17:15 <jaymacks> Scoophead cops lol
17:21 <TheDude> hahaha
22:28 <Nothing\> jaymacks, plubid brain dablage
22:57 <Nothing\> speaking of cupid
23:06 <Nothing\> you ever see a biblically accurate cherubim?
23:15 <Nothing\> they are NOT cute little naked babies with wings
23:19 <jaymacks> Nothing\: that was weeks ago now
23:27 <Nothing\> what was?
23:34 <jaymacks> Cupid
23:39 <Nothing\> oh that
23:45 <Nothing\> yeah that's a non thing
23:58 <Nothing\> i mean, i've been single for like 15 year
24:05 <jaymacks> Or a Nonthing\
25:15 <Nothing\> here's what cherubs really looked like according to biblical descriptions
25:26 <Nothing\> bah, gotta tinyurl it
25:41 <Nothing\> https://tinyurl.com/2t8mthzr
25:56 <Nothing\> which actually, that'd make a pretty cool back tattoo
26:51 <Nothing\> i think my favourite biblical angels were the ophanim though
27:07 <Nothing\> they were supposed to be the literal wheels of God's chariot
27:50 <jaymacks> Damn-near goatshead
27:56 <Nothing\> https://ih1.redbubble.net/image.1576213977.5337/flat,750x1000,075,f.jpg
28:06 <Nothing\> and again, that'd make an awesome tattoo
28:09 <Nothing\> would it not?
29:10 <Nothing\> but yeah biblically accurate angels are friggin cool
29:40 <jaymacks> Seems like an album cover for https://www.apc.com/shop/us/en/search/N-k9sndq?Dy=1&Ntt=Rack+pdu+2+i&Nty=1
29:54 <Nothing\> i'd like to know how on earth they wound up being associated with pretty winged benevolent women though
29:57 <jaymacks> https://youtu.be/OMOGaugKpzs
30:02 <jaymacks> That
30:17 <Nothing\> or little naked babies with wings who shoot you in the ass with a cute little heart arrow to make you fall in love
30:41 <Nothing\> jaymacks, dude i love puff daddy!
30:49 <Nothing\> :P
31:08 <Nothing\> almos as much as kirk cobain
31:48 <jaymacks> You like how P Diddy put the hit on Tupac and Biggie Smalls....?
31:50 <Nothing\> i think nirvana's overrated anyways
32:04 <Nothing\> lol i have no clue about any of that
32:28 <Nothing\> just that if you say biggie smalls 3 times in a mirror in a dark bathroom he comes out of it and... stuff happens, i dunno.
32:30 <jaymacks> A footnote of that turfwar.
32:55 <Nothing\> ah senseless violence
32:56 <Nothing\> gotcha
33:22 <Nothing\> although apparently monkeys have been observed fighting actual wars
33:27 <Nothing\> it's interesting as hell
33:46 <Nothing\> different tribes of chimpanzees fighting wars over territory
34:10 <Nothing\> oh i wish i could remember what video it was i saw about that it was so fascinating
34:12 <rust_collector> I would only have a pig and a small tractor tattooed
35:18 <Nothing\> i have some celtic deal on one arm, a little tribal thing on the other (cuz 90's) and i have this on my upper left chest: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/7f/Nin-sin.jpg
35:54 <jaymacks> I ironically have a "Donor for life" tattoo after 200 blood donations - mostly plasma - and then needed to sit out eight months before donating again.
36:14 <rust_collector> I have none. and it is ok too
36:19 <Nothing\> And recently, I'd like to get this on one of my upper forearms on the underside: https://c8.alamy.com/comp/2D3W1BK/endless-knot-2D3W1BK.jpg
36:40 <Nothing\> lol jaymacks
37:00 <Nothing\> actually i have a tattoo i gave myself on my upper thigh, and a shitty ink rubbing i did myself again on the other thigh
37:38 <Nothing\> the tatoo is my daughter's initials, but they're upside down, and likewise the ink rubbing was upside down and of a triforce which i drunkenly decided to make about 4in wide lol
38:06 <Nothing\> thankfully it didn't take though and it just turned out to be a few black lines. and I did both high up enough on my thighs that nobody would ever see them.
38:48 <Nothing\> I also did a test ink rubbing where i cut deeper and got more ink into it and that one definitely took. So I've got this funny black line going across my one upper leg.
38:57 <jaymacks> > the tatoo is my daughter's initials,
38:57 <jaymacks> You DO NOT want to know how badly I misread that the first time.
39:00 <Nothing\> only about 3cm long
39:15 <Nothing\> jaymacks, lol why how did you initially read it?
40:30 <Nothing\> it's funny though, i figured in terms of a tattoo, what's more guaranteed to be something that's important for me all my life than my daughter?
40:47 <jaymacks> s/is my/is on my/ and s/init/genit/
40:58 <Nothing\> fast forward a decade. We've been estranged for almoste 6 years.
41:14 <Nothing\> oh lol you thought i tattooed my daughter
41:27 <Nothing\> in fairness though if you can pierce you child, why not tattoo?
41:42 <Nothing\> which i think piercing children is wrong. Especially with guns.
41:57 <jaymacks> Refer to the other regex for the answer to your question.
42:16 <Nothing\> especially babies. There's no fucking reason a 1 year old needs earings. She'll probably pull on them and touch them and get them infected.
42:22 <Nothing\> lol
43:12 <Nothing\> man i just shaved my head last week and i already feel like i could use another shave
43:44 <Nothing\> here i thought it'd be nice shaving it becaues it's low upkeep but not if I end up having to shave it every week.
44:17 <Nothing\> alright i think i'm gonna have a nap
44:19 <Nothing\> g'night
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13:54 <Nothing\> i may regret this, but i suddenly decided i want to buy diablo iii on the pc
15:19 <Nothing\> even though i already own it on the ps3 and switch, but the ps3 stopped getting updates years ago and the Switch, on top of having to physically get up and swap my cartridges (oh the horrors!) the Switch isn't going to have as nice graphics as the PC and Switch ports of games tend to have less comment or less frequent/intensive updates etc
15:41 <Nothing\> much as I'd hate to have to buy the same game 3 times.
17:59 <arch> DHess_US, https://9gag.com/gag/a41Py0v
18:31 <Nothing\> how annoying, you can't just buy the game. You have to download it and install some free trial crap and set up a free trial account or something. THEN set it up as a paid account.
18:32 <arch> random af hehe
18:45 <Nothing\> not that i'm surprised.
18:55 <Nothing\> I just wanna know how much the damn thing is
20:34 <Nothing\> lol weird, you can buy the game and get prices on blizzard's site but not on battlenet
20:50 <Nothing\> even though you need battlenet to play, presumably
26:14 <DHess_US> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRYlA5-ARTY
28:51 <Nothing\> there we go i found what i was looking for
29:25 <Nothing\> not bad for price either, only $25. Unless I want to unlock the necromancer and some other class for another $25 lol
29:31 <Nothing\> still at least it's not a skin.
30:58 <Nothing\> weird apparently i already own diablo 3 lol
31:08 <Nothing\> damned if i remember buying it
32:29 <Nothing\> maybe i got a copy with diablo 2 resurrection or something
32:46 <Nothing\> i know there's a bundle with that and diablo 3
33:34 <Nothing\> lol DHess_US i forgot about these videos
33:47 <Nothing\> people need to start bringing back the good ol' memes
34:11 <Nothing\> anyways, NOW i'm gonna go have a nap while this game downloads
34:46 <Nothing\> which holy crap, it's already done 5gb in like 3 minutes
35:05 <DHess_US> Nothing\, I just knew there had to be a Downfall Hitler meme about Ukraine by now.
36:01 <Nothing\> hehe of course
36:32 <Nothing\> also Blizzard charged me for diablo. So it looks like I didn't own it afterall lol
36:58 <Nothing\> which makes sense since at first it was saying "try for free" then after i tried to buy it and it said i already owned it it suddenly turned into "Download Now"
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29:39 <MrMobodies> Hello
29:51 <MrMobodies> I found this many years ago
29:54 <MrMobodies> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9ZX46YbwB0
30:30 <MrMobodies> and someone who was who was interviewing Putin said he was frightened
31:03 <MrMobodies> seems sometimes that sketches from long ago can be true in the future.
32:18 <MrMobodies> 6000 Russian solders and 4000 Ukrainians dead so far
23:07 <jaymax> Anyone deal with Solaris ZFS before? I have nodes in /dev/rdsk (c2d0p[0-4] and c2d0s[0-15] naming) which I presume are ZFS not UFS - but the variation of `zpool import` cannot find anything.
24:06 <jaymax> AFAICT the only prep is to make sure the nodes exist in /dev/rdsk - which they did already
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40:48 * steve30 ponders coffee
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21:13 Topic Is: Official IRC channel of the EEVblog - www.eevblog.tv
21:13 Set By: (Halcyon) on: Fri Jan 24 20:18:27 2020
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17:21 <Ysjoelfir> morningses
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27:49 <%Ysjoelfir> did I already say mornings? I am seriously not sure.
29:16 <hsn> elo
29:29 <%Ysjoelfir> mornings mr sand
29:33 <hsn> morning
29:39 <hsn> <Ysjoelfir> morningses
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29:40 <hsn> * ChanOP gives channel operator status to Ysjoelfir
29:40 <hsn> * Ysjoelfir gives channel half-operator status to Ysjoelfir
29:40 <hsn> <Ysjoelfir> did I already say mornings? I am seriously not sure
29:50 <%Ysjoelfir> ah. so yes, I did
29:55 <hsn> what the hell is half operator ?
29:57 <%Ysjoelfir> than doublemornings to all
30:05 <hsn> yes double mornings
30:19 <%Ysjoelfir> a half operator is half an operator. combine that with a normal one and you are a one and a half operator.
32:21 <hsn> a half operator is half an operator
32:24 * hsn mind blown
32:32 <hsn> :D
32:36 <%Ysjoelfir> XD
33:00 <hsn> i wake up today and decided to not going work
33:05 <hsn> what a good day.
33:14 <hsn> if u know what i mean
34:22 <%Ysjoelfir> Thats perfect, I support your decision.
36:44 <hsn> so yesterday i posted a meth question .. and they guy answered and i follow 70% of his answer then i get lost .. :D
36:45 <hsn> https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/4394374/deriving-laplace-of-tn
10:28 <Halcyon> Hello all
19:13 <Halcyon> Argh, whoever thought it was a good idea to put celery into coleslaw should be jailed
39:56 <K> hello chickens
41:22 <Halcyon> Hello K
43:45 <K> wont meth questions land you in jail, hsn?
46:34 <%Ysjoelfir> mornings hercion and K
46:40 <Halcyon> Hello Ysjoelfir
47:13 <%Ysjoelfir> Hercion, I made crunchy fried shredded birb yesterday.
48:11 <K> the birb was not amused, a speculate
48:27 <%Ysjoelfir> I think you could be right
48:48 <hsn> K, there a story here that one of royal family member is leading a group to sell some drugs in schools .. like a gang or whatever ... helped by police ..
49:15 <hsn> saying this ^ may land me to jail ;)
49:32 <K> uh, would you think bad of if i said that does not surpise me alot ?
49:48 <K> :/
49:53 <K> we won't tell.
49:57 <hsn> no .. bcz our shaikhs are fcked up
50:07 <K> noone can understand what you are writing anyway
50:13 <hsn> lol
50:46 <hsn> http://bahrainmirror.com/en/news/58095.html
50:59 <K> "on, he just comes in randomly and writes some words, we think it mostly someth about toilets on trains"
51:42 <hsn> fck toilets .. im home today
51:55 <hsn> so its just "randomly" today
52:01 <hsn> random words
52:48 <K> yes
52:50 <K> and sand.
53:04 <K> there is some sand on the streets and pavements here now
53:07 <K> fucking snow is gone
53:30 <hsn> blow it south .. no one gonna know
56:47 <K> nah, i hope they collect it and save for the next fucking winter
57:20 <K> but, hsn, imagine how much snow there must have been in bahrain at some point?
57:42 <K> so much sand left afterwards
58:35 <hsn> was there ?
59:04 <hsn> i never saw snow in my life .. so i cannot imagine .. its like u telling me to divide by zero
01:05 <K> i've never seen desert, so it kinda balances out?
01:09 <Halcyon> Stupid snow
01:16 <K> snow is not very smart, yes
01:19 <Halcyon> I had to dig my car out of snow once
01:24 <K> oh no.
01:40 <Halcyon> Well just the front wheels, which also happened to be the driving wheels, so yehhhh
03:58 <Halcyon> steve30, do you engage in this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELgL_n0xE0E
06:43 <electrohead> o/
06:49 <Halcyon> Hey electrohead
06:52 * electrohead pokes Halcyon
06:54 <electrohead> dude
06:58 <Halcyon> :D
07:00 <electrohead> I lost my old phone :/
07:06 <Halcyon> Mmmk ?
07:09 <electrohead> I literally don't know what fucking happened to it
07:18 <Halcyon> As in your current phone that you were using?
07:20 <electrohead> (the phone I use for signal, to talk to you)
07:35 <Halcyon> How long ago did you lose it?
07:41 <electrohead> within the past week?
07:47 <electrohead> it literally just vanished
07:50 <Halcyon> So after I was SMS'ing you?
08:26 <electrohead> via long distance?
08:31 <electrohead> before that, from what it seems
08:38 <electrohead> I really don't know what I did with it >.<
08:47 <electrohead> it *should* be in this house, somewhere
08:48 <Halcyon> How were you responding if it was before?
09:18 <Halcyon> Will the battery be dead by now?
15:52 <electrohead> ok that's cool, then
16:00 <electrohead> yeah you can call if you want, then
16:02 <electrohead> :P
16:02 <Halcyon> I get 30 minutes free international every month
16:13 <electrohead> wooo
32:08 <%Ysjoelfir> 30 minutes free intestines?
33:08 <Halcyon> ;-)
33:51 <electrohead> lol
36:24 <Halcyon> All you can eat Ysjoelfir
36:58 * Ysjoelfir eats all yous
37:13 <Halcyon> :D
43:03 * electrohead melts
43:04 <Halcyon> Oh gees, now I remember how crappy unsecure cellular calls sound overseas
43:31 <electrohead> me too lol
43:41 <Halcyon> It's like the old 5.6 kbps "half rate" codec on the old Nokias
43:54 <Halcyon> Well not just Nokia's but phones of that era
57:47 <Halcyon> T3sl4: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bd3u3iNsAzQ
58:09 <T3sl4> weet weet weet
58:17 <Halcyon> :-D
58:56 <T3sl4> imagine the feast for local hawks :P
59:02 <Halcyon> Aww noooo
59:11 <Halcyon> Cats are for hawks
59:22 <T3sl4> those too
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20:55 <watcher> hello
28:00 <Halcyon> Hello watcher
30:00 <watcher> how is it in downside up land?
30:10 <Halcyon> Wet and rainy
30:14 <Halcyon> How are you doing?
31:14 <watcher> better than the rest of the week
32:22 <Halcyon> Oh?
32:31 <damian> hug
32:39 <watcher> hig
32:43 <watcher> *hug
33:15 <Halcyon> Hey damian
33:19 <Halcyon> *hugs*
34:38 <damian> how's things
34:52 <Halcyon> Not too bad mate, you?
36:10 <damian> yeah not too bad
36:13 <damian> just living life!
36:23 <Halcyon> Nice nice
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32:10 <jaymax> Mother nature has been gettin' wet this side of the planet, too.
36:48 * Ysjoelfir pees into the bushes
36:51 <%Ysjoelfir> yep, I agree
39:36 <jaymax> Hawt
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23:26 <T3sl4> sausage, red bell pepper, onion pizza incoming
23:45 * Ampera pours a load of red pepper flakes on it
23:54 * T3sl4 pours all his love into Ampera
24:30 <Ampera> oh great, now I'm gonna have to take a morning after pill
25:13 <T3sl4> and an eveningbefore pill
40:35 <%Ysjoelfir> Sooooo, thats nice
41:05 <%Ysjoelfir> our boss just came running into our product management office and was like "WE STOP ALL NEW PRODUCTS NOW, WE HAVE RUN OUT OF MONEY IN TAIWAN!!!!!!!!!!!!"
42:43 <K> o_O
43:02 <K> taiwan kept all the money in russian banks?
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51:09 * T3sl4 swaddles Ysjoelfir in dollarbills
51:31 <Ampera> Ysjoelfir, well you had a good run with them I'd say
51:37 <Ampera> any other job opportunities?
51:43 <%Ysjoelfir> seems like it, K :D
51:50 * Ysjoelfir grabs all of T3sl4's money
52:00 <%Ysjoelfir> Ampera - nope, not yet, but I will take a look this evening
52:07 <Ampera> ouch
53:23 <T3sl4> is that just like "money in taiwan" because that's where they make the things and they have local budget for that for some reason, or are they based in, or
54:53 <%Ysjoelfir> well... mr boss has a kinda strange method of earning "more" moneys. the german part of the company buys stuff from the taiwanese part of the company for 10% more than the taiwanese part buys it from the manufacturers in chian
55:52 <T3sl4> ah
55:58 <%Ysjoelfir> and that money that the taiwan part gets is his private money, and all the german part makes is... well, fompany profit
57:21 <T3sl4> private? interesting
57:35 <%Ysjoelfir> don't tell the government!
57:52 <T3sl4> wonder how that works in .de. not that it's necessarily shady or anything, but it's something the IRS-equivalent wants to know in any case :P
58:35 <%Ysjoelfir> the german part doesn't realy care, his official main residence is in taiwan and officially the taiwanese and the german parts are not related in any way
58:38 <Ampera> .deez nuts
58:57 <%Ysjoelfir> they don't share a name as well
59:05 <T3sl4> neat
59:12 <%Ysjoelfir> its actually pretty clever, yes
59:37 <%Ysjoelfir> so officially we only buy from a forwarding company, that happenes to belong to mr. boss
59:49 <%Ysjoelfir> but only inofficial, on paper it belongs to his son
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