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10:20:19 Topic Is: EEVBlog - www.eevblog.com
10:20:19 Set By: (Halcyon) on: Sat Nov 24 10:59:20 2018
10:44:17 <von> oh god not this guy
10:46:54 <gremlinz> haha
10:55:48 <Ampera> whu
11:12:22 <T3sl4> uwu
11:13:31 * Ampera does a slap on T3sl4
11:13:38 <Ampera> T3sl4, you want ZNC?
11:13:50 <T3sl4> zinc doesn't form a carbide, you're dumb
11:13:51 <Halcyon> Morning all
11:13:56 <Ampera> lol
11:14:00 <Ampera> ey, Halcyon
11:14:08 <Halcyon> What's doing?
11:14:21 <Ampera> Smash Bros Ultimate got leaked (latest nintendo game)
11:14:32 <Ampera> some guy is playing it live on YouTube right now
11:14:42 <Halcyon> OK? That's significant is it?
11:15:00 <Ampera> I mean it's a major company losing control of a highly anticipated and suppoed to be unreleased product
11:15:02 <Ampera> so yes
11:15:18 <Halcyon> *shrug*
11:15:21 <Ampera> I don't think anything on this scale has happened since the Half-Life 2 leak in 2003
11:15:30 <Ampera> but I don't exactly keep a record of what gets leaked when
11:16:06 <Halcyon> I wouldn't be surprised if it was on purpose. The timing seems to be rather convenient don't you think?
11:17:20 <Ampera> Nintendo is nowhere near nice or self-aware enough for that.
11:17:52 <Halcyon> It's not about being nice, it's about drumming up publicity for this "awesome game that has been leaked" a month before Christmas.
11:17:58 <Halcyon> Hell of a lot cheaper than advertising.
11:17:59 <Ampera> They released a tablet with CPU microcode that couldn't be patched, which then got a major security exploit.
11:18:23 * T3sl4 explots Ampera
11:18:39 <Ampera> their online netplay system pretty much forces you to operate the switch in a DMZ for full functionality
11:18:50 <Ampera> (indeed, they actually tell you on their website to stick your switch in a DMZ)
11:19:10 <Ampera> they have also had /multiple/ with one remaining unpatched, arbitrary execution sandbox break exploits on the Wii U
11:19:32 <Ampera> I think they are just so stupid, some guy with a few days of spare time and little shits about the consequences waltzed in and took it
11:33:12 <coppice_> T3sl4: so, you straightened yourself out before coming here
11:33:54 <T3sl4> i'm like a snake, uncoiled
11:34:18 <Ampera> I can see you're on co1led
11:34:22 * Ampera misses the co1l
11:34:30 <Ampera> wait, IDEA
11:34:34 Nick: Ampera is now known as Amperaco1l
11:34:37 <Amperaco1l> YEEET
11:34:51 * T3sl4 sues Amperaco1l for all the infringements
11:34:58 * Amperaco1l fair uses T3sl4
11:35:14 Nick: Amperaco1l is now known as Ampera
11:35:24 <Halcyon> ROFL
11:37:30 <Ampera> I got my SSHD config all nice and secure, Halcyon
11:37:44 * T3sl4 unfairly uses Halcyon
11:38:38 <Halcyon> Oooer :)
11:38:47 <Halcyon> Oh nice Ampera.
11:39:33 <Ampera> I have a pub/private key setup for my own account, and a special seperate account that's SFTP only, and is restricted to only reading off one drive with just contains videos
11:42:52 <Ampera> rebooting to apply updates, will brb
11:44:31 <Ampera> and I'm back
11:44:58 <Ampera> my Linux install needs an SSD :P. I need to get my Windows install to stop being so greedy sometime soon.
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11:51:53 <Halcyon> So I've fired off the email to Geoff to have the website changed
11:52:26 <Ampera> Nice.
11:53:29 <Halcyon> Also, thinking about setting up ZNC :P
11:53:32 <Halcyon> Damn you Ampera
11:54:23 <Halcyon> I can't leave my desktop PC on every night
11:54:26 <Ampera> I have a ZNC if you want to use it, can't promise its reliability
11:54:45 <Halcyon> I wouldn't mind having a play for myself
11:55:04 <Ampera> alright, let me make you an account
11:55:13 <Halcyon> No as in setting one up for me
11:55:34 <Ampera> you want me to show you how to set one up?
11:55:52 <Ampera> it's not that hard, you just need a Unix/Linux machine that you do intend to keep always on
11:56:08 <Ampera> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/ZNC
11:56:13 <Ampera> this is the guide I used, fairly self-explanitory
11:56:17 <Ampera> I got it running in around 10 minutes
11:57:58 <Halcyon> It runs ontop of another OS right, as in it's not a standalone distro or anything?
11:58:05 <Halcyon> I'm going to run it on my ESXi box
11:58:25 <Ampera> Yeah, but it needs to have OS support
11:58:56 <Ampera> Supports Unix-likes and Microsoft Windows
11:59:05 <Ampera> so I presume that means Linux, BSD, Solaris
11:59:08 <Halcyon> Might as well stick with *nix
11:59:21 <Halcyon> I'm not going to piss away HDD space for a Windows install just to run ZNC
11:59:36 <Ampera> no, and I wouldn't suggest you to
12:00:19 <Halcyon> How do you configure ZNC? Via a web interface?
12:00:47 <Ampera> There's an initial configuration wizard (cli) and then it's all web interface
12:00:57 <Ampera> you can also do it all manually, but I just used the web interface, it's pretty self explanitory
12:01:29 <Halcyon> Sweet
12:01:31 <Halcyon> :)
12:01:42 <Halcyon> Any particular flavour of *nix you prefer?
12:02:02 <Halcyon> Keep in mind, ZNC is ALL this machine will be doing
12:02:45 <Ampera> For servers I like using FreeBSD, because it's release based, and most of the packages work nicer together
12:02:59 <Ampera> but I suggest you just throw it ontop of another already installed OS
12:03:03 <Ampera> because it's not exactly a performance hog
12:03:33 <Halcyon> Well I haven't installed any OS yet
12:03:41 <Halcyon> It's a VM so I'll be starting from scratch
12:04:10 <Ampera> I meant, put it on another VM
12:04:16 <Ampera> unless you have absolutely no other VMs
12:04:43 <Ampera> I'd say FreeBSD, it's pretty easy for smaller stuff, and comes with an installer.
12:05:04 <Ampera> I suggest, unless you know how to deal with zfs's bullshit, use UFS when installing, but it's all pretty self-explanitory
12:05:30 <Halcyon> I won't be using ZFS as it won't have direct access to the disk controller
12:05:56 <Halcyon> Nah my other VMs are already commissioned for stuff, I don't want to begin stuffing around with those. It won't take long to run up another OS.
12:06:33 <Ampera> I'm tempted to tell you to use Arch Linux, as it can be fairly lightweight, maybe even moreso than FreeBSD, but it's not as easy to install for a noob (I showed you how to do it earlier, so you know what I mean)
12:06:38 Nick: coppice_ is now known as coppice
12:06:41 <Halcyon> I was thinking that
12:06:46 <Halcyon> As the guide is written for it anyway
12:06:49 <Halcyon> I'll do that
12:07:05 <Halcyon> Worst case I can blow it away and start again
12:07:39 <Ampera> then let me tell you what to do
12:07:46 <Halcyon> Yes mum
12:07:47 <Ampera> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/installation_guide
12:07:48 <Ampera> follow this
12:07:57 <Halcyon> Alrighty
12:08:00 <Halcyon> Just downloading it now
12:08:22 <Ampera> skip keyboard layout, boot mode (I presume you know if you can do UEFI or not on your VM) and initramfs
12:08:22 <Halcyon> Gah, 3MB/sec :(
12:08:37 <Ampera> the install media isn't that big, around 500mb
12:08:47 <Ampera> and then use GRUB for a bootloader
12:08:50 <Halcyon> Yep, while it's downloading, I'll configure up the VM
12:09:16 <Ampera> Arch can run pretty slim, I'd say you could get away with 512MB of RAM on a single vCore, with maybe 2-4GB of hard drive space
12:09:22 <Ampera> depending on how many logs you want to keep
12:10:04 <Halcyon> Hmm only have 2GB RAM free on my hypervisor anyway
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12:10:35 <Ampera> maybe you could even survive with only 256mb, but I don't know.
12:11:03 <Halcyon> It's not a problem, it's just I can't allocate any more than 2GB
12:11:11 <Ampera> I see minimum values quoted from around 128mb to 512mb, so eh
12:11:22 <Halcyon> Ill see what ZNC wants
12:11:35 <Ampera> probably not much
12:11:44 <Halcyon> Piss all
12:11:46 <Ampera> I'd bet around 64mb for everything
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12:12:01 <Halcyon> I'll just assign the system 256MB for now, I can always increase it
12:13:33 <Halcyon> Hmm Arch isn't in the list of guest OS's...
12:13:40 <Ampera> just use any linux
12:13:56 <Ampera> the list only really matters for VM tools, which you don't have to (and shouldn't) install for text only
12:14:14 <Ampera> it's really only video drivers, and maybe some goodies on compatible desktop environments, but since you're not using X or Wayland, it doens't matter
12:16:37 <Halcyon> I guess I just pick Other Linux 4.x or later 64-bit ?
12:16:52 <Ampera> yeah
12:16:53 <Ampera> that works
12:17:07 <Ampera> as I said, you could stick Windows XP on there for all it mattered
12:17:30 <Halcyon> I suppose I could for ease...
12:17:40 <Halcyon> Maybe Windows Server 2000 ? :P
12:17:45 <Ampera> I meant, say the guest was Windows XP
12:17:47 <Ampera> :P
12:18:08 <Halcyon> You got me thinking now
12:18:24 <Ampera> I wouldn't use server 2000/20003
12:18:26 <Ampera> *2003
12:18:38 <Ampera> because of obvious security implications and software support issues
12:18:42 <Ampera> also, overhead
12:18:50 <Halcyon> Ah fuck it, I'll stick with Arch
12:22:55 <damian> nerds!
12:23:07 <Halcyon> That's us :P
12:23:15 <damian> what's happening
12:23:28 <Halcyon> Installing Arch Linux in a VM :P
12:23:30 <Halcyon> Yourself?
12:23:44 <damian> why would you do that/1
12:23:55 <Ampera> to run a ZNC
12:23:56 <Halcyon> Going to play with ZNC
12:23:57 <damian> just got back from walking the dog, about to look into fixing up ssls
12:23:59 <Halcyon> Everyone else is doing it
12:24:03 <damian> ahh
12:24:05 <damian> why Arch?
12:24:09 <Ampera> because I told him to
12:24:10 <Halcyon> *shrug*
12:24:14 <Halcyon> ^
12:24:18 <damian> lol
12:24:19 <Halcyon> I run Centos on my desktop
12:24:23 <damian> but why suggest Arch?
12:24:34 <damian> i don't have anything against it, i'm just curious
12:24:36 <Ampera> I said FreeBSD, but then said Arch because that's what I use, and it's what I followed for the guide
12:24:51 <damian> ahh yeah
12:24:54 <Ampera> but it doesn't really matter for something as simple as a ZNC
12:24:58 <damian> not at all
12:25:11 <damian> i just love my ubuntu :P
12:25:12 <Halcyon> Although I'm having issues with Arch, doesn't like booting as EFI and I tried BIOS and it doesn't like that either
12:25:19 <Ampera> I'd also wager Arch is a bit ligher weight than FreeBSD, but that's not all that crazy either
12:25:26 <damian> for something like znc you could use anything
12:25:35 <Ampera> I boot using UEFI on my machine just fine
12:25:38 <Ampera> and on my tablet
12:25:51 <damian> why don't you use cantos if you're comfortable with that?
12:25:53 <Ampera> use GRUB and follow the arch guide on how to set it up for UEFI BIOSes
12:25:56 <Halcyon> For VMs I prefer to stick with BIOS
12:26:09 <Halcyon> Damian: Yeh I might
12:26:10 <Ampera> Yeah, BIOS is always an easy fallback
12:26:22 <Ampera> my reason for using something else is it gives you experience with it
12:26:39 <Halcyon> I've only just switched from Windows to Linux in the last 6 months
12:26:42 <Halcyon> Still learning :P
12:26:43 <Ampera> if you use CentOS, you just use pre-existing knowledge, but with some time to spare to tinker around, if you use Arch, you learn to use Arch as well
12:26:49 <Halcyon> Indeed
12:26:53 <damian> true, experience with other things is always good
12:26:55 <Halcyon> I'll stick with what I know for now
12:27:03 <Halcyon> Seeing as Arch doesn't want to boot
12:27:06 <damian> put Windows on it
12:27:12 <Halcyon> I thought about it :P
12:27:20 <Halcyon> But it's a lot of bloat just for ZNC
12:27:29 <damian> put on Nano
12:27:30 <Ampera> did you install a bootloader, Halcyon?
12:27:30 <damian> lol
12:27:41 <Halcyon> I don't even get that far yet Ampera
12:27:52 <damian> is this just on your home network Halcyon ?
12:27:57 <Ampera> ye
12:27:57 <Halcyon> Yes
12:28:03 <damian> nice nice
12:28:06 <Halcyon> Although I'm virtualising it under ESXi
12:28:06 <Ampera> Use FreeBSD then, at least use something interesting :P
12:28:15 <damian> znc by itself is light weight, you could just put it on another machine you have
12:28:16 <Halcyon> CentOS it is :P
12:28:26 <damian> i just have it on my application server
12:28:28 <Halcyon> Most of my network services are run at VMs
12:28:33 <Halcyon> The only thing that isn't is my NAS
12:28:38 <damian> Synology?
12:28:42 <damian> stick ZNC on that :P
12:28:44 <Halcyon> FreeNAS
12:28:51 <damian> ey me too
12:29:57 <Ampera> I just run it on my HTPC
12:30:06 <Ampera> it's always on, and not being used because everyone just uses the chromecast instead
12:32:55 <damian> oh oh put it on macos
12:33:04 <Halcyon> Wash your mouth out damian :P
12:33:19 <damian> hahah
12:33:29 <damian> are you an antimac person
12:33:32 <damian> i'm using a mac right now
12:34:26 <Ampera> hard mode: put it on straight Darwin
12:34:34 <Halcyon> I just don't like Apple hardware
12:34:43 <Halcyon> It's pretty piss poor, especially for the money
12:34:49 <Ampera> I don't like macs past PPC
12:34:50 <damian> apple hardware is alright, it's just expensive
12:34:52 <Halcyon> But I'd much rather run Mac OS compared to Windows 10
12:35:01 <Ampera> any Intel mac I get is getting a good seeing to, software wise
12:35:13 <Ampera> I only have one Intel mac, which is an old Mac Mini, I run FreeBSD on it
12:35:39 <damian> i prefer windows over mac. i used a mac for work for three years, so most of my computer time was on one
12:35:56 <damian> but with so much software you have to purchase, where there's free alternatives on windows, it's stupid
12:36:03 <damian> and not everything linux works on mac
12:36:17 <Ampera> I'm almost completely Linux myself, I keep Windows around like a ball and chain
12:36:28 <Ampera> for the one or two programs that doesn't run on Linux that I really need
12:36:38 <damian> Wine!
12:36:40 <coppice> I keep Windows around to spy on my neighbours
12:37:22 <Ampera> Wine still isn't perfect
12:37:23 <Halcyon> I still run Windows 7 in a VM
12:37:35 <Ampera> and VMs have performance overheads, especially on graphically intense applications
12:37:36 <damian> lol. spy on your neighbours?
12:38:10 <Halcyon> Where are you damian? AU ?
12:38:23 <damian> yeah, melbourne
12:38:26 <Ampera> the land down syndrome
12:38:27 <Halcyon> Ah nice
12:38:37 <Halcyon> At least we're not from Retardistan Ampera :P
12:38:48 <damian> are you from retardistan Ampera ?
12:38:57 <Ampera> No, I'm from New York, a far worse place.
12:38:57 <Halcyon> He is
12:39:02 <damian> hahah
12:39:07 <Halcyon> New York is part of Retardistan
12:39:07 <damian> and you're from sydney yeah Halcyon ?
12:39:10 <Halcyon> Yes mate
12:39:19 <Ampera> mate?
12:39:22 <Ampera> why not mnine?
12:39:29 <Halcyon> Wha?
12:40:08 <Halcyon> Well while this is installing, I'm going to run up the shops, grab a few things for dinner etc...
12:40:18 <Halcyon> It's going to be slower than usual as I've only given it 1 CPU
12:40:19 <Ampera> why not just use the fucking door
12:40:28 <Ampera> you got to run /up/ the shops?
12:40:34 <damian> what are we having for dinner
12:40:42 <Halcyon> Not sure yet. I was thinking burgers
12:41:01 <Ampera> I'm gonna end up smoking a turkey either tomorrow or tuesday
12:41:08 <Ampera> most likely tuesday
12:41:14 <Halcyon> You love smoking meat don't you Ampera :P
12:41:29 <Ampera> like fuck am I going to smoke vegetables
12:41:34 <damian> wasn't turkey day last week?!
12:41:41 <Halcyon> Yeh no one likes a vego dick :P
12:41:50 <Ampera> turkey day was this week
12:42:01 <damian> you still not past saturday ey
12:42:12 <Ampera> but when you go out to eat for thanksgiving, buy 2 turkeys, with one left over from last year in the freezer
12:42:14 <Halcyon> Damian: You do realise Sunday is the last day of the week :P
12:42:15 <Ampera> you start to want to use them
12:42:26 <Ampera> no, it's still saturday here
12:42:28 <damian> nah, sunday is always the first day of the week
12:42:31 <Ampera> 20:43, staurday
12:42:36 <Halcyon> Maybe in Melbourne :P
12:42:42 <damian> haha
12:42:48 <Halcyon> I stick with ISO 8601 :P
12:42:50 <Ampera> sunday is the first day of the week
12:42:56 <Halcyon> You're both wrong
12:42:59 <Ampera> fucking eurocrat :P
12:43:16 <Halcyon> It's also why Sunday is a weekend
12:43:19 <Ampera> there's a lot of toungues in this chat
12:43:29 * Halcyon licks Ampera
12:43:32 <damian> it's turning me on
12:43:46 <coppice> I hate stories with a weak end
12:43:51 <Ampera> I use the US customary system on a daily basis
12:43:55 <Ampera> fite me
12:45:07 <Halcyon> Yes, you also use imperial measurements, non-decimal currency and drive on the incorrect side of the road :P
12:45:46 <damian> i'm not going to align myself to US
12:45:49 <damian> but i will with Japan
12:45:53 <Ampera> we use US customary measurements, have decimal currency (???), and objectively drive on the right side of the road
12:46:07 <Halcyon> I thought your currency is a mixture of decimal and non-decimal?
12:46:13 <Ampera> since when?
12:46:16 <Ampera> 100 cents to a dollar
12:46:18 <Halcyon> I don't fucking know
12:46:29 <Ampera> there are no other additional denominations
12:46:45 <Halcyon> Maybe you guys have moved with the times :P
12:46:49 <Halcyon> Not much, but a little
12:46:50 <Ampera> bills are printed in denominations of 1, 2, 5, 10, 20, 50, and 100
12:47:01 <Ampera> but this has always been our system, since the US federal dollar was introduced
12:47:05 <Ampera> afaik
12:47:08 <Halcyon> *shrug*
12:47:16 <damian> what kind of non-notes do you have
12:47:20 <damian> ive never understood it
12:47:27 <Ampera> wha?
12:47:30 <damian> pennies, quarters, etc
12:47:31 <Halcyon> Quarters
12:47:48 <Ampera> denominations of 1, 5, 10, 25, 50, and 100 cents in coin form
12:47:55 <Halcyon> Although I will say that 5c coins don't make any sense these days
12:48:00 <Halcyon> Might as well scrap them
12:48:06 <damian> but what coins do you actually have
12:48:10 <Ampera> that's because your currency isn't worth anything
12:48:11 <damian> and what are they worth
12:48:30 <Halcyon> Anyway, I'm going to poop, then drive to the shops
12:48:33 <Halcyon> (in that order)
12:48:41 <Ampera> pennies:1, nickels:5, dimes:10, quarters:25, half-dollar:50, and dollar coin:100
12:49:07 <damian> are pennies and nickels still used?
12:49:16 <damian> we used to have 1c/2c coins, but they disappeared a long time ago
12:49:16 <Halcyon> We got rid of 1 and 2 cent coins in the early 1990's wasn't it?
12:49:18 <Ampera> Minted and accepted? Yes.
12:49:30 <Ampera> They are legal currency and will always be legal currency
12:49:47 <damian> they're still legal currency here, but they're not minted
12:49:49 <coppice> minted coins sound tasty
12:49:50 <Phampeon> Halcyon: The US never really used fractional currency like that. There were 1/8th dollars in the colonial period, but the system was decimalized in 1794.
12:50:00 <Halcyon> Ahhh
12:50:10 <Halcyon> Thanks Phampeon. I suck at history
12:50:15 <Ampera> Phampeon, you also should realize during colonial times, there was no US dollar
12:50:18 <damian> but postal stamps are also legal currency here
12:50:24 <Halcyon> They are damian?
12:50:27 <Ampera> It wasn't until the federal reserve bank was formed that the US actually diverged currency
12:50:28 <damian> yeah
12:50:35 <Ampera> *converged
12:50:40 <Phampeon> Ampera: The defacto durrency was the Spanish dollar
12:50:42 <Halcyon> Anyway, back soon
12:50:45 <damian> you can legally buy goods at any store with stamps and they can't reject you
12:50:47 <damian> it's weird
12:50:57 <Halcyon> damian: Haven't heard that one, might have to look it up
12:50:59 <Ampera> That depends on where, individual colonies often minted their own money
12:51:30 <coppice> damian: I think a lot of countries work that way. also a lot of post offices are involved in some form of banking
12:51:31 <Ampera> Then once the US was formed, states still did that, and sometimes individual banks would have their own currencies, just as gold notes
12:51:31 <Halcyon> https://banknotes.rba.gov.au/legal/legal-tender/
12:51:38 <damian> yeah more than likely
12:51:39 <Halcyon> It doesn't appear postage stamps are listed as Legal Tender
12:51:39 <Phampeon> Ampera: Each being worth 8 reales, hence the 1/8th division (a piece of eight, or a bit) and hence the "two bits" colloquialism for a US quarter
12:52:04 <damian> lets see where i read it, i only read it last year or so
12:52:23 <Ampera> Yes, but those aren't /US/ dollars.
12:52:55 <Phampeon> Ampera: Quite obviously by definition, as the states were yet to unite into an independent nation
12:53:02 <Halcyon> I don't think legislation anywhere states that postage stamps must be accepted for payment
12:53:10 <damian> ok ok ok certificate time
12:53:12 <damian> lets do this boys
12:53:12 <Halcyon> Even coins in large enough volumes don't equate to legal tender
12:53:53 <Halcyon> Yes, Ill be back in 30 minutes or so
12:54:02 <Halcyon> Then we'll continue this ZNC ampera
12:54:06 <Ampera> 1792 was the formation of the US dollar
12:54:12 <Ampera> aight, I should be here
12:55:40 <Phampeon> Ampera: There was also widespread use of commodity money. Currency backed by goods (tobacoo, pelts, etc), ownership of which was transferred from person to person while the goods remained in a warehouse.
12:58:03 <Phampeon> (Though not exclusively. For smaller transactions one would exchange the physical goods, and accepted conversions were often widely known. Twelve pelts to the barrel of a specific grade of tobacco, for instance)
13:30:20 <Halcyon> Back
13:33:43 <damian> WELCOME
13:33:43 <damian> hello
13:33:47 <damian> well that was weird
13:33:49 <damian> pdf
13:33:49 <damian> dfsdf
13:33:49 <damian> sdfd
13:34:01 <damian> wow, this irc client lets you shift+enter for multi line
13:38:07 <Halcyon> Ampera, you still around?
13:38:15 <Ampera> no
13:38:25 <Ampera> damian, what client are you using?
13:38:34 <Halcyon> :P
13:38:45 <damian> XChat
13:38:59 <Halcyon> Turns out the minimal install of CentOS is REALLY minimal
13:39:04 <Halcyon> Doesn't even have ifconfig or nano
13:39:05 <Ampera> Idk how HexChat and XChat stack up, I know HexChat was a fork, but
13:39:29 <damian> i would have preferred HexChat, because i can at least do some coding on it.. where XChat doesn't seem to have a scripting language
13:39:36 <damian> i could be wrong about the thtough
13:39:49 <damian> but HexChat isn't on MacOS without compiling it myself, and no can be bothered
13:40:39 <Halcyon> `8ball Is Ampera queer?
13:40:39 <ChanOP> 8ball: Is Ampera queer??? All signs point to yes.!!
13:40:46 <Halcyon> Just checking it still works :P
13:40:55 <Ampera> I need to remember to turn VNC off...
13:41:32 <damian> have either of you been on austnet before now?
13:41:40 <Halcyon> About 15+ years ago
13:41:54 <damian> in the beginning
13:42:01 <Halcyon> *nod*
13:42:06 <Halcyon> I was between here and oz.org
13:42:13 <damian> why did you choose ozorg?
13:42:14 <Halcyon> When both had a very popular #gay channel
13:42:21 <Halcyon> I had friends there
13:42:26 <damian> ahh yeah
13:42:26 <Halcyon> As in real people I knew
13:42:40 <damian> i chose austnet because of #GroundZero, the tv show with the host from CheezTV
13:42:41 <damian> bahaha
13:42:46 <Halcyon> Hahahah
13:42:47 <Halcyon> Wow
13:42:55 <damian> their official chat was on austnet
13:43:13 <Halcyon> I do vaguely remember something along those lines
13:43:27 <Halcyon> IRC was a big part of growing up for me
13:43:29 <damian> it was on at about 11pm on saturday nights or something in the early 2000s
13:43:32 <damian> sme
13:43:37 <Halcyon> Hence why I want to support and preserve it for as long as possible
13:43:54 <Ampera> eevblog on AfterNET was the first IRC channel I ever seriously spent time on
13:44:02 <Ampera> I've never been on AustNet before now.
13:44:12 <Halcyon> You're still young Ampera
13:44:16 <Halcyon> I was about 14 when I started using IRC
13:44:20 <damian> exactly the same. the more we can push modern websites to irc as a back end for online chat the better
13:44:24 <damian> keep the protocol and fun alive
13:44:25 <Halcyon> Then it got *SUPER* popular
13:44:38 <damian> yeah, well we all knew you went to irc, so the rest of us came
13:44:41 <damian> you made it popular!
13:44:50 <Halcyon> I remember when MP3 was invented and became mainstream, used to download so many songs from IRC
13:44:50 <damian> but same, 1999 i think i was 15
13:45:09 <damian> hahaha yeah. 3mb mp3, 30-40min download time on dialup
13:45:31 <Halcyon> But before that, MP2 was, meh... and then there was RealAudio... I now see why MP3 was the shit
13:48:21 <Halcyon> Ampera: Without ifconfig, how do I tell the IP address of a linux box?
13:48:24 <damian> never used mp2, ra was the worst shit ever though
13:48:48 <Ampera> can you use ip address?
13:48:48 <damian> ip addr
13:48:51 <Ampera> or is that ifconfig?
13:49:00 <Ampera> I don't know if I've ever used ifconfig
13:49:04 <damian> nah, separate. cantos doesn't install with ifconfig anymore
13:49:19 <Halcyon> Thanks Damian :)
13:50:12 <Ampera> I use ip, and then netctl for anything fancier
13:53:42 <Halcyon> Just trying to work out why I have no network connectivity on the VM
13:54:07 <damian> ID10T issue
13:54:15 <Halcyon> Must be
13:54:34 <Halcyon> Maybe a driver issue?
13:54:40 <Ampera> do ip link
13:54:45 <Ampera> do you have a network adapter?
13:54:56 <Ampera> (that's not the loopback card)
13:54:59 <Halcyon> It appears I do.
13:55:02 <Halcyon> 2: ens192
13:55:25 <Ampera> then you should be able to just start whatever dhcp client you have on there, and be off
13:55:49 <Halcyon> Is DHCP off by default on a minimal install ?
13:56:56 <Halcyon> Grr this is hard :(
13:57:06 <Ampera> Idk, I don't use CentOS
14:03:39 <Halcyon> Maybe WinXP would be easier :P
14:05:08 <Halcyon> It looks like nothing is enabled by default on a minimal install, not even networking
14:07:52 <Ampera> just use FreeBSD
14:08:06 <Ampera> it's leagues easier, and it configures the network upon install
14:08:17 <Ampera> but anyways, I have to go to bed
14:08:18 <Ampera> night
14:09:09 <damian> night
14:09:35 <damian> use ubuntu
14:09:36 <damian> :P
14:11:22 <Halcyon> :P
14:12:08 <Halcyon> Ubuntu server?
14:12:38 <damian> yup
14:12:52 <damian> during installation just enable openssh and you don't need anything else
14:13:12 <Halcyon> Copy. I'll download Ubuntu then
14:15:25 <Halcyon> Wow, this wine is going to my head
14:15:36 <Halcyon> Probably should have eaten something other than toast before I poured a glass
14:16:49 <damian> nah
14:16:51 <damian> that's quitter talk
14:17:27 <Halcyon> Setting up servers while tipsy isn't recommended :P
14:17:45 <Halcyon> Especially since the "Delete" button is awfully close to other servers on this hypervisor :P
14:18:04 <coppice> wine doesn't go to your head. It dgoes to your bladder, and out
14:18:16 <Halcyon> Head via the bloodstream
14:18:26 <Halcyon> Ethanol crosses the blood/brain barrier rather easily
14:19:27 <Halcyon> Also via the lungs and then blood if you're drinking sparkling
14:24:04 <Halcyon> OK Ubuntu is installing...
14:25:50 <damian> you go girl
14:25:59 <damian> try setting up servers for WORK when you're tipsy
14:26:01 <Halcyon> Hey, just because I'm gay :
14:26:02 <Halcyon> :P
14:26:06 <damian> then going in on monday and wondering wtf you did
14:26:17 <damian> what do you do for work/
14:26:23 <Halcyon> The law prohibits me from being over 0.02g of alcohol in 210 litres of breath at work.
14:26:39 <Halcyon> I work for the Police
14:26:44 <Halcyon> In Digital Forensics
14:26:49 <damian> you're the flash?
14:26:56 <Halcyon> The Flash ?
14:27:13 <damian> you know, barry allen.. forensics for cops, but also .. THE FLASH
14:27:17 <damian> i think he does forensics
14:27:22 <Halcyon> *shrug*
14:27:34 <damian> do you enjoy your job
14:27:40 <Halcyon> Absolutely love it
14:27:50 <damian> good good
14:27:57 <Halcyon> Although I'm thinking about handing in my firearm and going civilian again
14:28:05 <damian> i imagine you need a strong stomach for some of the stuff you do
14:28:21 <Halcyon> Yeh a huge amount is child exploitation and people being murdered etc...
14:28:29 <damian> that's fucked
14:28:36 <damian> great that you people are around
14:28:36 <Halcyon> Meh, someone has to do it
14:29:01 <Halcyon> Between you and I though, most people who get shot up are shitbags anyway.
14:29:08 <damian> yeah, i can imagine
14:29:21 <Halcyon> Short of the random stuff that happens due to radical nutbags, it's mostly targeted.
14:30:10 <Halcyon> But yeh, really interesting work. Get to play with heaps of cool nerd toys
14:30:33 <damian> that's alright
14:30:41 <damian> if you went civilian, what kind of work would you be doing
14:30:41 <Halcyon> What about you? What do you do?
14:30:57 <Halcyon> Same, I'd stick with digital forensics/cyber
14:31:21 <damian> i'm IT project coordinator at GAZMAN, the menswear brand, basically sysadmin with a bit more oomph
14:31:31 <Halcyon> Ah nice
14:32:13 <Halcyon> That's very Melbourne :P
14:32:20 <damian> whats that?
14:32:30 <Halcyon> Working in IT for a fashion label
14:33:37 <Halcyon> Hmmm now my VM won't start. Grrr
14:33:48 <damian> ahh yeah
14:34:04 <damian> there's not many of us left anymore to be honest. so many fashion brands in melbourne have shut down over the last five years or so
14:34:11 <damian> lol, why not?!
14:34:35 <Halcyon> I'm not sure, it installed, rebooted, was part-way through booting and now it's "powered off" and won't come back up.
14:34:36 <damian> luckily we have a pretty solid and loyal client base.. though most are older guys, so they'll slowly start dropping off :P
14:34:43 <damian> lol
14:34:44 <Halcyon> I think ESXi has just had a moment
14:34:45 <damian> what hypervisor do you use
14:35:04 <Halcyon> I might need to reboot the entire thing actually
14:35:25 <Halcyon> Which means my internet will go down momentarily. Back shortly...
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14:42:46 <damian> wb
14:43:01 <Halcyon> Still broken, it just refuses to start
14:43:14 <damian> hrmph
14:43:22 <damian> there's no errors in the esxi log?
14:43:36 <damian> 'couldn't start, not enough free memory' for example lol
14:43:53 <Halcyon> No, it just says it can't start in its current state (Powered off)
14:43:57 <Halcyon> Real useless message
14:44:24 <damian> so strange
14:44:38 <Halcyon> Yep, all the other machines come up, just not that one
14:45:06 <Halcyon> I'd say the install is just borked for whatever reason
14:45:23 <damian> you don't have much luck
14:45:56 <Halcyon> It seems not
14:46:01 <Halcyon> Never had these issues before
14:47:12 <damian> give up until tomorrow :P
14:47:22 <Halcyon> I refuse :P
14:47:29 <Halcyon> I'll give FreeBSD a go
14:48:05 <Halcyon> Oh wow their server is slow
14:48:56 <Halcyon> So damian, what do you do on Austnet?
14:49:16 <damian> mainly just spurt shit and jokingly abuse people
14:49:23 <damian> but i also run one of the servers here, and do the webdev
14:49:28 <Halcyon> Ah nice
14:49:44 <damian> and then i'm part of the services department as well
14:50:40 <Halcyon> Someone's got skills :P
15:00:44 <damian> not me
15:01:12 <Halcyon> Lies
15:01:22 <damian> my current concern is getting these SSL's working properly
15:01:26 <damian> then no more complaints!
15:01:44 <Halcyon> I'm waiting for FreeBSD to download, so I'm watching Clive Mitchell on Youtube
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23:20:08 <Ampera> lol
23:20:24 <Ampera> how is it this hard to install a Linux/Unix VM
23:20:31 <Ampera> I've almost done them in my sleep
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