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30:46 <damian> yeah
30:58 <damian> in my sleep AND drunk
31:01 <damian> and Halcyon was only drunk!
31:49 <Ampera> I've never been drunk, but yeh.
35:09 <Halcyon> :P
35:19 <Halcyon> Morning guys
35:47 <T3sl4> morning gays
36:06 <Halcyon> :D
37:14 <Ampera> So did you end up getting it to work, Halcyon?
37:33 <damian> ey Halcyon
37:35 <Halcyon> Not yet. I haven't tried FreeBSD yet.
37:43 <Halcyon> The download was taking AGES
38:01 <Ampera> Can you use regular VMWare Player VMs in ESXi?
38:06 <Ampera> I could just whip it up for you
38:09 <Halcyon> I think so
38:16 <Ampera> lemme install vmware player then
38:24 <Halcyon> I'll try FreeBSD first
38:27 <Halcyon> I have it now
38:37 <Halcyon> I just need some coffee to wake up
39:42 <Ampera> oh nice I have to install it manually :P
39:47 <damian> lol
39:52 <damian> what file does vmware player save as
40:04 <Ampera> various, don't know the extensions off the top of my head.
40:08 <damian> if it's a vmk* you can just import the disk
40:14 <Ampera> as for hard drive images it can probably use most common types
40:30 <Ampera> oh, you meant compared to ESXi? Then yeah it probably have some sort of crossover support
42:28 <damian> yeah
42:39 <damian> i just haven't used player since about 2005
43:11 <Ampera> I use it because it's the best "free" virtualization client that I've used
43:20 <Ampera> which consists of VMWare Player and VirtualBox
45:56 <damian> lol
46:27 <damian> i use HyperV everywhere now if i need a quick VM on a desktop. i'm always running Windows 8+
47:08 <Ampera> I'm /this/ close to cicking Windows off my SSD and not installing anything until I determine I actually actually need it
47:10 <damian> no real overhead, no third party applicaitons and it just *works*, configuration is very easy compared to VirtualBox (or how VB used to be five or six years ago)
47:14 <Ampera> and then even still, maybe just sticking it on a VM
49:10 <Ampera> well that was relatively painless
49:30 * Halcyon has coffee
49:47 <Ampera> I presume you want FreeBSD 11, Halcyon
50:02 <Halcyon> *nod*
50:07 <Halcyon> I'm just installing it now
51:40 <Ampera> I just started downloading it
51:52 <Ampera> and it's done
52:16 <Halcyon> I must have got a REALLY shitty server yesterday because it was bouncing between 0 and 50 KB/sec
52:22 <Halcyon> And I know it wasn't my connection
52:25 <Halcyon> (This time)
52:35 <Ampera> FreeBSD's downloads are usually incredibly fast
52:41 <Halcyon> Yeh this one wasn't
52:42 <Ampera> maybe you were just pulling it over from a US server
52:52 <Halcyon> Even still, I should be able to max out my link from the US
53:27 <Ampera> any particular keyboard map?
53:48 <Halcyon> I would hold off setting it up for me, by the time you build the VM, I will have it running
53:53 <Halcyon> Plus then I have to download it from you
54:06 <Ampera> eh, gives me something to do
54:18 <Halcyon> We use the standard Yankie keyboard map
54:37 <Ampera> hostname?
54:40 <Halcyon> It's about the only thing "standard" you guys do :P
54:52 Join: Dave ([email protected]) to #EEVblog
54:53 <Halcyon> Eh just pick anything, I can change it later
55:04 <Dave> Testing new sever
55:09 <Halcyon> Working
55:14 <Halcyon> Morning Dave
55:31 <Halcyon> I don't know why the previous VMs failed
55:35 <Halcyon> They would install but then refuse to boot
55:43 <Dave> Hey, seems like it works
55:55 <Ampera> eyyyyy
55:58 <Halcyon> Is this from the webpage Dave?
56:31 <Dave> Yep, web page
56:36 <Halcyon> Actually the webpage seems broken to me?
56:52 <Dave> Using the kiwiirc.com client
56:58 <Ampera> webpage works fine (using kiwi client) one issue
57:02 <Halcyon> Disregard, needed to do a shift+refresh
57:11 <Ampera> the text right above the embedded client still has the old afternet connection info
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57:34 <Halcyon> And the page also refers to "two" web based IRC clients
57:38 <Ampera2> However it works fine enough
57:52 <Ampera2> Only one IRC client I can find here
58:02 Quit: Ampera2 ([email protected]) Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client
58:07 <Ampera> Who was that guy?
58:09 <Halcyon> Mines not loading at all but that's probably just my adblocker and Ghostery
58:21 <Halcyon> :P Your other personality Ampera
58:33 <Ampera> I don't even have a personality to begin with
58:36 <Ampera> how could I have another one?
58:42 <Halcyon> Awww now now
59:08 <Halcyon> Fucking Cockattoos, there is one really screechy one that doesn't shut up in the mornins
00:16 <Ampera> do you want sudo?
00:26 <Halcyon> I've installed it already :)
00:35 <Ampera> well fine then
00:37 <Ampera> :(
00:43 <Halcyon> I told ya :)
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01:23 Quit: Dave ([email protected]) Z-Lined
01:23 Quit: Guest|11937 ([email protected]) Z-Lined
01:31 <Halcyon> Hah
02:13 <Ampera> anyways, if you need to change networking information, I believe all of it is in /etc/rc.conf
02:35 <Ampera> which is the near universal single stop system configuration file
02:55 <Ampera> some files don't have the same locations, I think stuff like sudoers is in /usr/share/etc/
02:58 <Ampera> but I could be wrong
03:06 <Ampera> (that is if you install sudo)
03:27 <Ampera> package manager is pkg, very simple, you can look at the help info, but it's pkg install <package> for most packages
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07:41 <Halcyon> I think I worked out why the others were failing to boot after install
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08:00 <Halcyon> When I "removed" the CD, it caused the same issue in FreeBSD
08:08 <Halcyon> Looks like its a glitch in ESXi
08:17 <Halcyon> Deregistering/re-registering the VM fixed it
10:51 <byteturtle> hi damian, long time no see
12:03 <Ampera> anyways, enjoy your Unix
12:16 <Halcyon> Now to get ZNC going
12:35 <Ampera> https://www.freshports.org/irc/znc/
12:55 <Ampera> most likely you can just install the package znc, and it will be pretty much identical to how Arch does it, so you can use their guide
18:35 <damian> weee
18:40 <damian> apt-get install znc
18:40 <damian> :P
18:52 * Ampera beats the Debian out of damian
18:59 <Halcyon> Bahaha
19:09 <Ampera> pacman is love, pacman is life
19:16 <damian> mwuahaha you cant!
19:24 <Ampera> +powerpill and +aurman
20:19 <damian> i've been using debian since around 2000
20:32 <damian> or at least some kind of it. before that was redhat or slackware
20:38 <damian> now it's ubuntu
20:46 <Ampera> I used to use Ubuntu, Mint, and even OpenSUSE before I knew what I was doing
21:02 <Ampera> but now that I know what I'm doing with Linux/Unix, I have a great love for Arch Linux for anything that's not a server
21:06 <Ampera> and FreeBSD for anything that is a server
21:17 <damian> i think i know what i'm doing, i just prefer ubuntu. it's just easier to do things and there's so much documentation and so many packages
21:42 <damian> i used to use FreeBSD for everything server related when i actually did webhosting and shell hosting, but i dont like it much as an OS
22:22 <Ampera> I like Arch because of its legendary documentation, KiSS minimalist policy, amazing automated package building and installation tools, and for having a just works quality to most of it.
22:53 <damian> i haven't used any o them!
22:56 <Ampera> FreeBSD doesn't have the "just works" quality like Arch, there's a lot of niches to overcome, and a lot of the doumentation is old or flat out misleading, but I like it for many of the same reasons I like Arch
23:26 <Ampera> Piss easy package management system, beautiful ports tree, and a great, minimalist way to configure the base system
23:30 <byteturtle> i installed arch on my t520 and it didn't just work :(
24:01 <damian> turtle!
24:10 <Ampera> Often when things just don't work on Arch, it's when you don't follow directions well enough, but Arch can of course just not work, just like any other OS
24:25 <Ampera> With a near infinite series of things that can go wrong, something is bound to at some point.
24:52 <damian> man it's been a while since i've seen your furry face
25:00 <byteturtle> idk if it's the ethernet card misbehaving or the driver
25:05 <Ampera> I use Arch on my desktop and tablet
25:18 <byteturtle> arch and debian live work, installed arch or debian don't - windows does
25:29 <Ampera> Ah, Linux can often have issues with wlan cards
25:32 <damian> and sorry i can't remember your name :|
25:37 <damian> i know it was something sexy though
25:38 <byteturtle> turtles don't have fur damian
25:42 <Ampera> lspci the card type and go hunting for drivers
26:04 <damian> https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/7a73fe445512fca10f7941b8f7a8df1d7cafddb8/0_148_3500_2100/master/3500.jpg?width=300&quality=85&auto=format&fit=max&s=b2cf14c35da23af15a22282a9d11c4ce
26:05 <damian> are you sure?!
26:17 <byteturtle> standard intel gigabit, nothing fancy
26:17 <Ampera> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/413130732458868739/502629100431736832/e5220c9b2d49f8368e420a3f2d064c61.png
26:22 <damian> FABIAN!
26:25 <Ampera> ethernet? then it should work fine
26:33 <Ampera> my guess is you didn't enable dhcpcd
26:36 <damian> ahh i knew it was in there somewhere
26:50 <Ampera> as it's not enabled upon startup of a fresh install in Arch
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27:08 <byteturtle> no carrier detected, but the card (leds) work as they would if a link is established
27:32 <byteturtle> it must have been like 2 years already since we last talked damian ?
27:38 <Ampera> wait, gigabit wlan?
27:42 <Ampera> nani?
28:26 <byteturtle> nah ethernet
28:42 <Ampera> strange
28:44 <byteturtle> can't remember the exact card name, but it's covered by intels e1000e driver
29:00 <damian> how do you configure multi networks on znc Ampera?
29:02 <Ampera> Most ethernet cards ususally work fine on Linux
29:06 <damian> set up users as networks?
29:13 <Ampera> add them to the web panel
29:16 <byteturtle> add multiple networks to one user
29:23 <Ampera> and then use /znc JumpNetwork <name> to jump between
29:30 <byteturtle> so damian/austnet ,damian/freenode
29:49 <Ampera> I think you can do something like that, but to actually add them
29:56 <Halcyon> Ampera: How do I configure this thing? It's installed...
30:01 <Ampera> https://gyazo.com/93d0e72995794b3ced310a38620d4451
30:12 <Ampera> Halcyon: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/ZNC
30:23 <Ampera> if you don't have sudo, su will work
30:31 <Ampera> so su znc
30:45 <Ampera> then znc --makeconf
31:07 <Halcyon> Atempted login by root - This account is currently not available
31:07 <Ampera> give it all the information it needs (I didn't have to really look much up, I just punched stuff in) and then everything else can be done pretty self-explanitory through the web client
31:34 <Ampera> http://aazza.github.io/2014/06/01/installing-znc-on-freebsd/
31:37 <Ampera> skip to configure the system
31:52 <Halcyon> Hang on, I need to add a new users
31:58 <Ampera> I guess it doesn't make the znc user
33:12 <Halcyon> It seems to have
33:21 <Halcyon> Now I need to find what password it set
33:37 <Ampera> you can't
33:41 <Ampera> passwd znc and set a new one
33:45 <Halcyon> Gah
33:52 <Halcyon> Why the hell would it do that
34:11 <Ampera> you want me to just set it up in my VM and then give you it?
34:20 <Halcyon> No it's fine, I want to work this out for myself
34:59 <Ampera> use the guide I gave you, aazza.github
41:59 <Halcyon> It's asking what port to listen on under "Global Settings" but the guide mentions nothing about it
42:05 <Halcyon> Is this the admin port or the IRC port?
42:11 <Ampera> this is the port you connect to
42:15 <Ampera> it can be literally any port
42:19 <Halcyon> For what purpose though?
42:23 <Ampera> everything
42:26 <Halcyon> For managing it or using it?
42:28 <Ampera> to connect to the ZNC and the web panel
42:29 <Ampera> both
49:09 <damian> woop had to work
49:20 <damian> [10:30:36am] (byteturtle) add multiple networks to one user
49:20 <damian> [10:30:42am] (@Ampera) and then use /znc JumpNetwork <name> to jump between
49:20 <damian> [10:30:49am] (byteturtle) so damian/austnet ,damian/freenode
49:30 <damian> i mean when you're actively on two networks at once
49:38 <damian> for example, i'm on austnet and on afternet
49:40 <Ampera> huh?
49:46 <Ampera> yes
49:49 <damian> both run through znc
49:52 <Ampera> yes
50:30 <Ampera> if you mean how do you use both at once, client wise, you just connect to the same ZNC twice as the same user
51:00 <Ampera> and then either specify which server in the server password, or use /znc JumpNetwork <name> to jump to one after you join
51:06 <damian> and when you connect you just jumpnetwork to the network you're using in that instnace?
51:38 <damian> interesting, i didn't think znc used both networks at once, i thought a jumpnetwork was like a jumpserver
51:47 <damian> disconnects from one network and connects to another
52:05 <Ampera> I'm on AfterNET and AustNet on the same ZNC right now
52:29 <damian> nice ill have to give it a try. i just cofngirued multiple users with multiple networks
52:58 <damian> so when i load mirc i have a script which /server mybnc:port network1user:pass | server -m bnc:port network2user:pass
53:20 <Ampera> I use HexChat so :P
53:36 <damian> $len([10:30:36am] (byteturtle) add multiple networks to one user
53:36 <damian> [10:30:42am] (@Ampera) and then use /znc JumpNetwork <name> to jump between
53:36 <damian> [10:30:49am] (byteturtle) so damian/austnet ,damian/freenode
53:38 <damian> fracker
54:01 <Ampera> I'm confused now
54:04 <byteturtle> damian/networkname:password
54:17 <byteturtle> as server password
54:28 <damian> ignore the copypaste i did, accident :P
54:32 <damian> thought i had something else in the buffer
54:38 <damian> thanks fabian
54:43 <damian> how you been anyway. are you working yet?
55:06 <byteturtle> kind of
55:39 <byteturtle> i've been fine so far - got a local hackerspace now
56:55 <byteturtle> hows life on the other side of the world?
57:19 <Ampera> wait, byteturtle, where are you?
57:37 <byteturtle> germany
57:49 <Halcyon> I think Ampera just creamed his pants
57:50 <Halcyon> :P
57:51 <Ampera> nice, I'm in New York, but I hold a German citizenship
58:12 <Ampera> иди нахуй
58:46 <Ampera> (I barely speak Russian, but it's more fun to insult people when they don't know what you're saying)
00:58 <Ampera> Apparently the migrant caravan is at the US border
01:07 <Ampera> or getting close to it anyways
02:33 <damian> local hackerspace?!
02:53 <Halcyon> I have no idea what I'm doing wrong but I can't connect to the web interface
02:53 <damian> yeah things are pretty good. i started a new job this time last year, that's going well, a lot more free time but not as much money
03:09 <damian> Halcyon, if you enabled ssl you have to connect with https:// on the port
03:18 <Ampera> did you enable the service, Halcyon?
03:19 <Halcyon> Tried that, still doesn't work
03:23 <Halcyon> Yup
03:47 <Ampera> what do you get from ip addr for your ethernet adapter
03:57 <Ampera> then stick that into your browser, with the port you set for it
04:02 <Halcyon> Tried that too
04:12 <Halcyon> It's not a DNS issue
04:20 <Ampera> why would it be?
04:31 <Ampera> unless you're using hostnames, and it's all local
04:40 <Halcyon> Well if it connects to the IP but not the hostname, then it's DNS related
04:49 <Halcyon> I can't connect to either
04:55 <Ampera> why would you try the hostname?
05:06 <Ampera> use the ip:port in web browser
05:07 <Halcyon> Because every server on my network uses hostnames
05:18 <Halcyon> It's easier than trying to remember which server is which IP
05:28 <Ampera> how many servers to you have? :P
05:31 <Ampera> I just remember
05:37 <Halcyon> Several :P
05:46 <byteturtle> i'm off, see you in ~+16 hours
05:51 <Halcyon> Especially when I eventually go to IPv6, hostnames become even more important
05:55 <byteturtle> it's already 1 am on a workday...
06:05 <Halcyon> Cya byteturtle
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13:45 <Halcyon> Even with SSL off it doesn't connect
13:57 <Ampera> it's not that hard :P
14:06 <Halcyon> I wouldn't think so
14:17 <Ampera> I set this up in 10 minutes :PP
14:23 <Halcyon> It's really not intuitive. What it says it should do and what it does are two different things.
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14:55 <Halcyon> I understand Linux and networking Ampera, that's not the issue
15:07 <Ampera> this isn't Linux
15:08 <Halcyon> It says the service is running, it says it's listening, but it doesn't work
15:21 <Ampera> you used the config tool?
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15:23 <Halcyon> Yes
15:31 <mikjaer> Greetings :)
15:37 <Halcyon> Hi mikjaer
15:42 <Ampera> idk, Halcyon
15:46 <Halcyon> Yes, neither do I
20:26 <damian> hang on
20:31 <damian> byteturtle isn't on afternet .. where did he come from
20:40 <Halcyon> *shrug*
20:45 <Halcyon> Why does that matter?
20:57 <damian> curiosity :P
21:12 <Halcyon> We haven't announced the change in Afternet yet
21:14 <damian> him and i used to run an irc network together a few years ago. weird seeing him on austnet
21:22 <Halcyon> I'm waiting for Dave to fix the website first
21:47 <damian> fix it? update the chat links?
22:13 <Halcyon> YEs
22:20 <Ampera> OK
22:23 <damian> ah nice, so you've had the chat with dave and it's happening?
22:24 <Ampera> UNDERSTOOD
22:26 <damian> awesome news
22:29 <Ampera> lol
22:32 <Halcyon> Oh yes, I forgot to mention
22:34 <Halcyon> It happened :P
22:35 <damian> lol
22:41 <Halcyon> The web chat now points to here
22:46 <damian> oh
22:52 <Halcyon> Dave was in here earlier
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22:58 <damian> oh Dave is dave, i should have known
23:03 <Halcyon> Yes ;P
23:06 <damian> i saw the nikcname, but we have another dave on this network as well
23:44 <damian> ahh nice, so kiwi is updated but the instructions aren't yet
23:45 <damian> pretty good stuff
23:48 <Ampera> Halcyon, remind Dave/Geoff to change the address on the actual text of the eevblog.com/chat page to say austnet instead of afternet, becuase the client changed over, but not the connection info listed above it
23:48 <Halcyon> Yes
24:03 <Halcyon> I have emailed him, I don't know what he did, but he just added a hyperlink :P
24:14 <damian> hahahahah
24:24 <Halcyon> I get the feeling he doesn't code much :)
24:33 <damian> i didn't even notice that, funny bastard
24:53 <damian> let him know to chang ethe hyperlink to irc://irc.austnet.org/ as well, that way it'll link to any well respecting irc client
25:10 <Halcyon> Baby steps Damian :P
25:50 <Halcyon> At least irc.austnet.org redirects to the webpage on port 80
26:01 <Ampera> I'll link you to the fuckin wall, Halcyon
26:17 <damian> depends on the server, lol
26:27 <damian> some of the irc.austnet.org servers point to our website, some dont
26:32 <damian> by the end of the week that'll change though
27:13 <Ampera> it sounds like austnet did some major rebuilding as of recent
28:08 <damian> nah not really. about a year ago we all got together and focused on making the place great again
29:40 <damian> we've been slowly hacking away at a few changes here and there since then. website rebuild, brought on another couple of servers, overhauled our admin a little .. that was all 2017
29:46 <Ampera> Make Australia Great Again?
30:01 <Ampera> Australia > Austnet
30:32 <damian> recently we started a merger with another network, which has prompted us to focus on a few other things like ssl certificates, as none of our regular chatters knew how to connect to ssl or didn't care
30:34 <damian> yeah, austnet
30:51 <damian> ssl updates will be pushed out by the end of the week, which is good
30:57 <Halcyon> \o/
31:13 <damian> we are about to do a major upgrade on our ircd, but i reckon that's a few months off still
31:17 <Ampera> I'm listening to one of my favourite songs
31:26 <damian> is it Wonderful by Everclear?
31:32 <Ampera> no
31:37 <damian> oh
31:45 <Ampera> Strawberry Fields Forever by you know who it is
31:46 <Halcyon> `8ball Is the 121GW back in stock yet?
31:46 <ChanOP> 8ball: Is the 121GW back in stock yet??? Never.!!
31:51 <Ampera> OOF
31:59 <Halcyon> :P
32:00 <damian> Metallica?
32:01 <damian> :P
32:45 <Ampera> Yes, Metallica, if Metallica was a 1960's rock/pop group from Liverpool.
33:00 <damian> ohh, you're talking about Spice Girls!
34:03 <Ampera> Yes, 1990's London is exactly like 1960's Liverpool
34:09 <damian> knew it
34:13 <damian> i'm glad we're on the same page
34:18 <damian> but agreed, great song
35:10 <Ampera> I think I've listened to it more than any other song, I absolutely love it.
35:14 <damian> are y'all getting the hang of services here?
35:42 <Ampera> it's IRC, not a whole lot to get ahang of
36:12 <damian> that's right, a few people struggle with the access system in channels for some reason
38:00 <Halcyon> It's different but not overly difficult
38:10 <Halcyon> It would be good to have one big document with all the various commands listed
38:24 <Halcyon> Saves faffing around with /Chanop help commands
39:09 <damian> i think i have them somewhere actually, give me five minutes
39:14 <Ampera> All I really need is to very very rarely kick or ban people as op, so that's done by never leaving (ZNC) and just using the hexchat interface that abstracts that all into easy to use menus
39:26 <Halcyon> *nod*
39:55 <damian> bahh fml
40:10 <Halcyon> What's wrong?
40:15 <damian> i deleted a vm on my homelab about six months ago, and it had a heap of dev work on it i was doing which i THOUGHT was in github repos but wasn't
40:26 <Ampera> rip
40:29 <damian> i think that help file was part of it, haha
40:33 <Halcyon> That's shit
40:46 <Ampera> Halcyon, stop being lazy and just copy everything into nano or somthn
40:48 <damian> hmm, maybe i still have the disk somewhere
41:19 <Halcyon> I'm going to go shower and then duck up the road briefly. Back soon.
41:22 <damian> the commands are pretty self explanitary though, /chanop commands #EEVblog will give you a list of all of the commands you have access to in here, and from there it's mainly what you'd expect
41:26 <damian> except for the set/setuser commands
41:55 <Ampera> I'm thinking of switching my desktop's wm from Window Maker back to MATE
42:04 <Ampera> because I don't like having the same window manager on two devices, I like to mix things up
43:09 <Halcyon> Maaaaate
43:11 <Halcyon> :P
43:38 <Ampera> I think I'm going to reinstall arch on my SSD, and just backup my Windows install and reinstall Windows at some point later if I seriously need it
44:01 <Halcyon> Just run Windows in Virtualbox
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44:12 <Ampera> I might, it's just I get a performance penalty for that
44:27 <Halcyon> Yeh but unless you're playing games, you're unlikely to notice
44:33 <Halcyon> I honestly can't tell the difference
44:39 <Ampera> I'd be using Fusion 360 probably
44:46 <Ampera> also windows takes up hella space
44:47 <Halcyon> You can only test it out?
45:07 <Ampera> maybe some gmod for one server I need to use that has a plugin that breaks linux gmod
45:14 <Ampera> but I might just try to fix linux gmod to not do that if I can.
45:47 <Halcyon> Were you running Windows Server as a desktop OS?
46:10 <Ampera> yeah, why?
46:20 <Halcyon> I'm just thinking with this ZNC thing I do the same
46:35 <Halcyon> Windows XP is no longer supported by the latest version of CYGWIN
46:39 <Halcyon> or whatever it's called
46:53 <Ampera> or just use linux
46:57 <Ampera> or use my ZNC
47:00 <Halcyon> No :P
47:07 <Ampera> why not :P
47:20 <Halcyon> If it doesn't work on FreeBSD, why would it work on some other Linux build?
47:29 <damian> just install Windows 10 and install Arch as a subsystem >:P
47:33 <Halcyon> As I said the services and everything seem to be running but it just doesn't work
47:39 <Ampera> because a lot of things that don't work well on FreeBSD work better on Linux
48:06 <Halcyon> I'll give it another try later when I get back
48:10 <Ampera> A 16 year old did it in 10 minutes on a HTPC, and you can't do it in 2 days on a fancy ESXi server?
48:13 <Ampera> :P
48:24 <Halcyon> Ampera: It's not my knowledge that's lacking
48:24 <damian> hahahahahahaa
48:27 <damian> it's pretty funny
48:34 <Halcyon> It's shitty software that doesn't do what it says it does
48:39 <damian> poor Halcyon
48:45 <Ampera> Tis' a poor craftsman who blames his tools
48:48 <Halcyon> I shouldn't need to go debugging and troubleshooting this crap
48:50 <damian> where are you up to anyway?
48:54 <damian> you have the OS installed yeah?
48:59 <Halcyon> You blame the tools when the tools don't work
49:07 <damian> oh the networking wasn't working properly/
49:10 <Halcyon> I have FreeBSD and ZNC both installed
49:16 <Halcyon> ZNC has a base config and is running
49:31 <damian> freebsd installs with a firewall by default right? have you passed the port through?
49:45 <Halcyon> That wasn't in the instructions
49:51 <damian> i want to get this working, i won't rest until it's working!
50:00 <Ampera> FreeBSD doesn't have an enabled firewall last I checked
50:11 <damian> if you telnet to the ip/port of that hsot your znc is on does it connect or bum out?
50:11 <Ampera> it ships with one, but it's not enabled
50:23 <damian> ahh k
50:25 <Halcyon> damian: I can connect to it via SSH just fine
50:32 <damian> to the ZNC port?
50:41 <Halcyon> I can't do anything with the ZNC port
50:57 <Halcyon> So yes, perhaps it's being blocked
51:02 <damian> sounds like
51:13 <damian> run: /etc/rc.d/ipfw stop
52:12 <Halcyon> Cannot 'stop' ipfw. Set firewall_enable to YES in /etc/rc.conf or use 'onestop' instead of 'stop'.
52:34 <Ampera> is firewall_enable YES in rc.conf?
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52:40 <Ampera> if not I do not think it's on
52:48 <damian> /etc/rc.conf
52:56 <Ampera> ^
52:58 <Halcyon> No it isn't
53:04 <damian> cool, so it's not that firewall
53:16 * damian taps his chin
53:31 <damian> are you using ipv4 or ipv6?
53:36 <Halcyon> v4
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54:03 <damian> ask in #bugs
54:04 <damian> lol
54:21 <damian> nah dont, they'll probably eat you
54:37 <damian> what else can we test that's easy
54:43 <damian> install nginx and see if that works
55:08 <damian> do: netstat -anp
55:17 <damian> and see if the znc pid appears against the port that you elected
56:59 <Halcyon> Ill have a look when I get back... should be about 45 mins or so
57:07 <damian> oh man
57:13 <damian> so you're saying i have to do work for 45mins?!
58:05 <Ampera> lol
58:15 <Ampera> do you have a copy of half-life damian?
58:18 <Ampera> (steam version)
58:48 <damian> i have HL2: deathmatch and HD2: lost coast
58:55 <damian> i dont think i actually have HL2 though
59:01 <Ampera> I meant the original
59:05 <damian> and i dont have HL1. i think i have it on cd
59:11 <Ampera> but you want to bum around in HL2:DM for a bit?
59:33 <damian> nah, i have to still look like i'm working .. so bumming around on irc/reddit/forums is alright, playing a game isn't hahaha
59:35 <Ampera> I know of a decent server
59:38 <damian> my CIO sits behind me
59:43 <Ampera> lol
59:48 <Ampera> aight
00:22 <damian> i just disabled four printers on our network, so i'm expecting a couple of calls today
00:24 <damian> should be an easy day!
00:37 <Ampera> I need to install CUPS for my printer so I can print train/bus tickets
01:04 <Ampera> but that will happen after I completely reinstall and reimplement my linux install, 6 days before it becomes somewhat critical, and 120 miles away
01:20 <damian> is that just to allow printing from your machine?
01:22 <damian> never heard of it
01:54 <damian> do you know of any budget wireless headphones which are decent quality
02:04 <Ampera> you've never heard of CUPS?
02:18 <damian> i'm looking for some at the moment to replace my wired beats. i just got a stand-up desk and they dont reach, and the cable is stupidly priced
02:21 <Ampera> also decent wireless headphones barely exist even when you're not on a budget
02:39 <damian> nope, i've never dealt with printers on any linux/bsd/unix distro
02:55 <mikjaer> Ampera: in Denmark we can just show the tickets to the inspector on our smartphones, no need to waste paper :)
02:59 <damian> every corporate infrastructure i've had access to has been Windows
03:10 <Ampera> but I use a wired Sennheiser GSP 300, which is piss cheap at the moment, really good, and has a decently long cable
03:14 <Ampera> mikjaer, I hate smartphones
03:21 <Ampera> I have one, but I never rely on it, and don't like using it
04:01 <Ampera> I'll be keeping backup copies on it and my tablet in case my paper ones get lost or destroyed, but I much prefer having a paper ticket instead of having to dick around with finding the image on my phone
04:02 <mikjaer> Ampera: me to, and i don't travel by bus or train ... but i still like the fact that it spares the environement :)
04:11 <Ampera> you can recycle paper though
04:17 <Ampera> it's a renewable resource
04:35 <Ampera> I'm not printing it on weapons grade plutonium
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05:05 <mikjaer> Yea ... sadly though it's often not happending, i worked for a recycling plant once ... and rougly estimated 30% of the paper was burnded and not sent to the paper-mills ... it was cheaper than sorting it :(
05:45 <Ampera> was it at least burned for energy?
05:50 <damian> yeah i love my logitech cable, it's about 3m long and would work well. but i might as well get wireless
05:59 <damian> i was looking at some budget Sony headphones, $49
06:05 <mikjaer> Yea ... it was used to heat homes.
06:11 <Ampera> Well, in your hunt, no matter what you do, DO NOT get a wireless Logitech headset
06:27 <Ampera> I had a G930, and it is seriously the worst electronic device I have ever used
06:51 <Ampera> G933 isn't any better from what I hear
07:23 <Ampera> The plastic is so cheap it might as well have been made out of bakelite, it drops connections all the fucking time, and the connector will probably break just by looking at it
08:15 <damian> hhaha
08:40 <damian> i have a set of G430's which are great
09:39 <Ampera> I'm never giving Logitech money ever again, that headset was such a fucking source of constant torture and actual suicidal thoughts, I don't trust them to make me a fucking slice of toast
10:05 <damian> https://store.sony.com.au/headphones-bluetooth/WHCH500B.html
10:08 <damian> these are what i was looking at
10:14 <damian> oh, $79 not $49
10:36 <damian> well luckily they don't make toasters
10:55 <Ampera> https://www.amazon.com/Sennheiser-GSP-300-Closed-Headset/dp/B01KV3BB0S
10:56 <damian> i dont think i've ever had a fault wth anything logitech. some of their gear is uncomfortable, like mouses and keyboards, but on the main i think they're good
11:09 <damian> still prefer wireless
11:15 <Ampera> if you can live without wireless and just use a 3.5mm extension lead, this is the best headset ever
11:17 <damian> so the cable doesn't get caught in my desk going up/down
11:21 <Ampera> it's cheap, comfortable, and sounds amazing
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54:36 <AlejoMSP> No whiteboard?
54:46 * Halcyon noms on pretzels
55:00 * Ampera steals Halcyon's pretzels
55:03 * Ampera noms on pretzels
55:05 <Halcyon> Hah
55:32 <Halcyon> Oh Ampera, Dave fixed the website
55:38 <Halcyon> He had to clear the wordpress cache
55:55 <Ampera> vernice
55:59 <Halcyon> :D
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12:31 <damian> dave seems like a very excitable character, like steve irwin
13:16 <Halcyon> Haha he is
13:30 <Halcyon> He is exactly that enthusiastic in person as well
13:35 <Halcyon> Nice guy, really easy going
13:38 <damian> that's awesome
13:46 <damian> i watched a few of the vlogs the other night, very good personality
14:15 <Halcyon> If you enjoy electronics, particularly teardown videos bigclivedotcom is another great channel
14:35 <Halcyon> Techmoan also does some excellent videos on audio equipment, same kind of style
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23:42 <Halcyon> I should probably change the topic now that it's official...
24:20 <Halcyon> Or should it be "for the..."
26:09 <damian> not that it means a whole heap these days, you can also /ChanOP set #EEVblog URL https://www.eevblog.com/
26:16 <damian> so people see it if they request INFO from the channel
26:31 <Halcyon> Oh nice
31:00 <Halcyon> damian: Is 50 the max channel limit?
31:46 <damian> for new channels, yeah. after a short period of time it unlocks
31:59 <Halcyon> Ah right, what's the "short period" ?
32:02 <Halcyon> Days? Weeks?
32:06 <damian> honestly can't remember, i think it's a month
32:15 <Ampera> oof
32:30 <damian> if the channel grows, we can waive that though. it's mainly in place because back in the day we had warez channels and the like start up, or botnets etc.
32:43 <Halcyon> Yeah understand
32:49 <Halcyon> Can we just waive it now?
32:58 <Halcyon> Obviously this isn't a warez channel :)
33:17 <damian> we don't know that yet..... maybe dave is raven, the warez king
33:27 <Halcyon> Dammit, you found out our master plan :P
33:31 <damian> knew it!
33:49 <Halcyon> We're really the illuminati
34:14 <damian> hmm, maybe i'm getting confused
34:20 <damian> what happens when you -l, it resets it yeah?
35:37 <Halcyon> As in via ChanOP or through the client?
35:44 <damian> chanop
35:58 <Halcyon> What's the command for that again?
36:01 <Halcyon> CBF looking it up
36:15 <damian> `set mode 199 +nt
36:17 <damian> will do for the moment
36:25 <Halcyon> `set mode 199 +nt
36:25 Mode: (by ChanOP) -rtnl
36:25 Mode: (by ChanOP) +tnlr 50
36:50 <Halcyon> I presume you saw all that?
36:52 <damian> yep cool
37:17 <damian> maybe it's associated with the channel access quota. i've never seen anyone query it before :P
37:44 <damian> leave it with me, i'll ask the guys and get back to you
37:53 <Halcyon> Thanks :)
37:58 <damian> you can: `set mode 199 +nt-R
38:02 <damian> to set it back to how it was
38:05 <Halcyon> I only ask because there are more than 50 users in the old channel
38:10 <Halcyon> Most are just lurkers but anyway
38:14 <damian> yeah
38:18 <Halcyon> `set mode 199 +nt-R
38:18 Mode: (by ChanOP) -rtnl
38:18 Mode: (by ChanOP) +tnlr 50
38:29 <damian> i'm curious to know how many will take the leap over, and how many are based on the web chat
38:42 <Halcyon> It'll be a matter of time
38:51 <Ampera> You're like a guy trying to drive a manual without ever being told how, Halcyon
38:58 <Halcyon> The official cut-over only happened today. It will take time to herd people over.
39:06 <Halcyon> How so Ampera?
39:09 <damian> yeah
39:27 <Ampera> you're just so clueless as you fuck everything up :P
39:32 <Ampera> jokes of course
39:39 <Halcyon> Name 1 thing I've fucked up?
39:41 <Halcyon> :P
39:44 <Ampera> the ZNC
39:49 <Halcyon> I followed the instructions
39:52 <Halcyon> The service starts
39:55 <Halcyon> And it doesn't work
39:58 <Halcyon> How is that my fault?
40:04 <Ampera> I bet you I install it on my VM and it works perfectly fine
40:23 <Halcyon> I can send you over my VHD file and you can see for yourself
40:29 <Halcyon> Mr. Smarty pants
40:43 <Halcyon> Although it's 16GB
41:04 <Ampera> let me just make you a VM where it works
41:13 <Halcyon> I don't trust your VM :P
41:18 <Ampera> why
41:24 <Halcyon> You probably put some backdoor into my network or summink
41:51 <Halcyon> Why don't you walk me through step-by-step what you did
42:00 <Ampera> I can't, because I used arch
42:00 <Halcyon> Then I can't be accused of fucking it up
42:09 <Halcyon> Well I'll use arch, I don't really care either way
42:13 <damian> (@Ampera) the ZNC
42:17 <damian> the Ubuntu install
42:19 <damian> the FreeBSD install
42:20 <Halcyon> Now that I know what caused it not to boot
42:22 <damian> the ESXi usage
42:24 <damian> :P
42:27 <Ampera> let me just see if it's actually broken on FreeBSD
43:04 <Halcyon> damian: The issue with Ubuntu was that after ejecting the ISO image, ESXi refused to start the machine, I worked out how to fix that, it's a bug in ESXi
44:40 <Ampera> the vm is currently shitting itself because I rebooted it mid-install after giving up on it last time
44:51 <Halcyon> So what you're saying is, YOU fucked it? ;-)
45:22 <Ampera> no, you did, because you told me to stop working on it
45:31 <Halcyon> Yes yes, blame someone else :P
45:43 <Halcyon> So I'll install arch then ?
46:33 <damian> lol
46:39 <damian> bunch of clowns
46:44 <Ampera> you can install arch while I figure out why it's not working on FreeBSD, if you want
46:55 <damian> install FreeNAS
47:03 <Halcyon> damian: I use FreeNAS
47:09 <damian> i know, so you know you can set it up
47:09 <damian> :P
47:16 <Halcyon> Ampera: Don't worry, lets just set it up using what you know
47:28 <damian> ok lunch, bbl.
47:30 <Halcyon> Nope, my NAS is a just a NAS. I don't want to start installing services on it.
47:37 <Halcyon> What's for lunch?
47:48 <Ampera> give me like 10 minutes to figure out if it actually is broken on FreeBSD
47:53 <Halcyon> Alrighty
47:59 <Halcyon> I already deleted the VM though
48:06 <Ampera> I'm curious anyways
48:12 <Halcyon> I knew it!
48:12 <Halcyon> :P
48:13 <Ampera> you can install Arch if you want then
48:18 <Halcyon> But yes, I'd like to know what happened
49:20 <Halcyon> Oh that's right, I had issues getting Arch to boot
50:34 <Ampera> I'll guide you through that in a second
51:15 <Halcyon> This is what I get: https://imgur.com/a/9uWtWYG
53:35 <Ampera> did you genfstab?
53:49 <Halcyon> I didn't do anything, I just booted off the ISO
54:24 <Ampera> that's strange
54:34 <Ampera> works just fine on vmware player
55:52 <Halcyon> Ahh wait I had to switch it to BIOS
56:00 <Halcyon> Alright I'm at a terminal prompt
56:13 <Ampera> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/installation_guide
56:16 <Ampera> some stuff to skip
56:32 <Ampera> skip keyboard layout, verify boot mode, and initramfs
56:54 <Ampera> install grub using the instructions from https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/GRUB for MBR/BIOS (i386)
58:43 <Halcyon> How do I list drives again?
58:57 <Halcyon> Nevermind
58:57 <Halcyon> :)
59:49 <Halcyon> grub-install: error: failed to get canonical path of 'airootfs'
01:21 <Ampera> did you follow the rest of the guide that fast?
01:43 <Halcyon> Sorry, I thought I had to do that first
01:58 <Ampera> no, that comes after you install everything
02:04 <Ampera> that's why I put it second
04:26 <Ampera> alright, web interface doesn't seem to work on FreeBSD, it's possible it's just not enabled
04:27 <Ampera> one second
04:33 <Halcyon> This is a pain in the ass
07:00 <Ampera> huh
07:11 <Ampera> well it's still usable under FreeBSD, you just can't use the webpanel for some strange reason
07:19 <Ampera> sorry for that one, no clue why
07:20 <Halcyon> Yes which doesn't help
07:40 <Ampera> anyways, for arch linux, where you at with that?
07:50 <Halcyon> Still fucking around with partitions and what-not
08:06 <Ampera> just create one partition, maybe two for some swap, both type linux, using fdisk
15:35 <Halcyon> I'm having this issue again where it just doesn't boot
15:50 <Ampera> did you install grub?
15:56 <Halcyon> No, I haven't got that far yet
16:03 <Ampera> then why are you rebooting?
16:10 <Halcyon> Because I was trying something
16:16 <Ampera> alright
16:47 <Halcyon> Grrr
16:49 <Halcyon> I have no idea
16:58 <Halcyon> Exact same settings as before and I won't mount the ISO
17:02 <Halcyon> *it
18:47 <Ampera> do you want me to install you an Arch VM?
19:05 <Halcyon> No I want to work this out for myself
19:11 <Ampera> aight
19:11 <Halcyon> It shouldn't be this difficult
19:32 <Halcyon> It's not the first time ESXi has pissed me off, won't be the last
27:07 <T3sl4> hmm https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qglryBZyeFc
42:40 <damian> what hardware do you have Halcyon
49:14 <Halcyon> Damian: On the hypervisor?
49:29 <Halcyon> Terrible song T3sl4
49:40 <Halcyon> It's so "whiney"
50:05 <T3sl4> was an interesting pick to use a soprano, i guess
50:21 <damian> yeah on the hypervisor
50:31 <Halcyon> Mmmm sopressa
50:59 <Halcyon> It's a Supermicro rack server with a Xeon processor
51:10 <damian> ahh nice, which xeon?
51:12 <Ampera> No EPYC, Halcyon?
51:25 <Ampera> For shame, you need a REAL CPU for a server.
51:25 <Halcyon> It's an old one, I've had it for years... let me check...
54:30 <damian> pffft AMD :P
55:38 <Halcyon> It's a Xeon E3-1230v2
55:46 <Halcyon> Running on a Supermicro X9SCA
56:00 <Halcyon> If I wanted a space heater, I'd buy an AMD
56:19 <Ampera> they sell tablets faster than that, Halcyon
56:21 <damian> pretty good
56:28 <Halcyon> Ampera: As I said, it's old
56:30 <Halcyon> But it does the job
56:41 <damian> i have 2xX5650 in mine, it's a HP ProLiant DL380 G6
56:59 <Halcyon> I run a ML350 G6 as my desktop
57:13 <damian> i reckon like for like yours and mine are about the same
57:21 <damian> damn, that's a big desktop. lol
57:28 <Halcyon> Hehe yep, but it runs awesome
57:39 <damian> G6's were a good 20kg without many disks too
58:01 <Halcyon> 24 CPU cores :D
58:17 <Halcyon> Oh yes, it heavy. Thankfully I don't need to move it
58:31 <damian> yeah, haha
59:05 <damian> i have a crappy little i5 as my desktop, but it does the trick. i have a Z240 Workstation at work though, she's what i do processing on :P
59:22 <Halcyon> Yeh we just got new HP workstations at work
59:29 <damian> man i've done hardly any work today, but there just isn't mcuh to do today
59:34 <Halcyon> We just got rid of our Z240s
59:49 <damian> what do you have instead?
00:04 <Halcyon> I'm not too sure, we only just got them a few months ago
00:16 <Halcyon> Close to $20k each
00:16 <damian> weird, Z240's are still current gen
00:29 <Halcyon> Maybe it is a Z240, just a newer generation
00:32 <damian> they must be able to time travel or something
00:43 <Halcyon> I haven't paid much attention
00:46 <Ampera> I have a little i5 tablet, and a big boy i7 desktop
00:47 <Ampera> 4790k
00:54 <damian> you punch in something to crunch and it time travels, does the processing, comes back so it's done quicker
01:05 <Ampera> currently installing linux onto my SSD, because I have the need4speed
01:14 <Halcyon> Except that I find Windows 10 runs like crap on it
01:21 <Halcyon> We just switched from Windows 7
01:35 <damian> if windows 10 runs crappy on a new age computer, there's something wrong with your configuration
01:38 <Halcyon> It's also glitchy as fuck
01:47 <Halcyon> No, I think it's just Windows 10
01:50 <damian> Windows 10 doesn't much like spinny disks, but on a Z series there's never any issues
01:53 <Ampera> Windows 2016 (Windows 10 server) is crappy anywhere
02:04 <Ampera> that's why, until now, Windows took my SSD
02:06 <Ampera> it was unusable without it
02:17 <Ampera> but I haven't used it in weeks
02:23 <Ampera> so off it's comming
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12:22 <Halcyon> Yep, I refuse to use Windows 10
12:25 <Halcyon> It's just horrible
13:10 <Halcyon> For every 1 thing it does well, it does another 5 things poorlyu
13:11 <Halcyon> -u
14:18 <DHess> I started a test system with Windows 7 a couple years ago and a test system with Windows 10 a couple weeks ago. Windows 10 is an improvement on Windows 7 but it didn't fix any of my complaints.
14:29 <damian> i found it opposite. to start off with it was bad, but now it's strong and hearty. my only dislike is that they keep whacking modern UI over the top of functions that have been in Windows since 95
14:41 <damian> what were your complaints?
15:35 <DHess> The removed the disk free space from the status bar on Explorer and they removed the capability of displaying folder sizes.
16:11 <DHess> I have a list of replacements of explorer to test but have not gotten to it yet.
16:27 <Halcyon> You also can't open more than one "My Computer" window just by double-clicking multiple times.
16:40 <Halcyon> You have to open one, navigate away somewhere, then open another
16:43 <DHess> MS literally said they removed the free space on the status bar because it was causing "free space anxiety" in some users.
16:55 <Halcyon> Oh gees, seriously DHess ?
17:02 <DHess> Seriously.
17:05 <Halcyon> *palm*
17:15 <Halcyon> So now users just fill up their disk and shit stops working ?
17:35 <damian> the disk free space used to be in the status bar? i don't think i ever noticed it
17:57 <damian> folder sizes in details/list? that was only ever a function with a third party tool like TreeSize, unless you went to the folder properties
18:25 <DHess> They removed the API which allows folder sizes because it was too slow or at least that is what they said. There is a reason I have a hardware RAID controller and SSDs have made the issue moot. I think MS removed that functionality to encourage using their "database oriented filesysetm" which never got released.
18:38 <damian> but with free space, you can just click backwards to the root and voila, all of your drives and freespace
18:50 <DHess> damien, on XP you just had to enable the status bar and it was there.
19:03 <Halcyon> *nod*
19:06 <damian> (Halcyon) You have to open one, navigate away somewhere, then open another
19:08 <damian> i dont understand this one
19:11 <DHess> Yea, more clicks to see what should be shown continuously.
19:30 <Halcyon> Well let's say I want to copy something from somewhere to somewhere.
19:43 <DHess> damian, http://foldersize.sourceforge.net/
19:48 <Halcyon> I used to be able to open 2 My Computer objects by clicking 4 times
19:55 <Halcyon> One was the source, one was the target
20:53 <DHess> Halcyon, yea, I do that but in a different way. Right click on File Exporer on the task bar and select "File Explorer" and it opens another one.
21:04 <Halcyon> Yeh you could do it that way
21:10 <DHess> But i agree, it is a step backwards.
21:19 <damian> wow, i did not know that didn't work
21:35 <Halcyon> damian: It's REALLY annoying
21:38 <damian> i can't remember the last time i opened explorer from clicking on the my computer icon though, i can't remember the last time i even saw my computer on the desktop
21:43 <damian> just win+e/win+e
21:48 <Halcyon> Especially at work when I'm copying things to thumb drives
22:02 <DHess> I created a taskbar button for it so I open it from my task bar anyway.
22:08 <damian> ahh yeah DHess, Windows XP it does bring back memories with the folder size!
22:35 <DHess> I may end up running XP in a virtual machine if I do not find an acceptable replacement for Folder Size.
23:44 <damian> Halcyon, if you put the icon in your tray (where it is by default), middle click twice on it and you'll get two instances
24:03 <Halcyon> Sure, but why change things that have worked forever?
24:42 <Halcyon> And printer options, my gawd, there are like 3 difference places depending on the settings you want
24:53 <Halcyon> Why have a Control Panel AND a "Devices and Settings"
25:21 <damian> progressive!
25:33 <DHess> Mouse Wheel is still disabled in some selection lists like System Management.
25:40 <damian> yeah, printer options is something i can get behind. that's the modern UI replacements i was talking about. that's so annyoing
25:50 <damian> i'll die a bit inside when start > run > control printers goes
25:57 <damian> that's my most used function in my current job
26:22 <DHess> And the random rebooting to install stuff while I am using my system is really annoying.
26:47 <Halcyon> Yep, Windows 10 can get fucked. It was the catalyst for me to learn Linux at home
27:00 <damian> lol
27:15 <DHess> Luckily, I have so much old hardware that Windows 10 won't install on that I now have lots of test BSD and Linux boxes.
27:22 <damian> lol
27:23 <Halcyon> \o/
27:27 <damian> so much hate
27:44 <Halcyon> I'd sooner use Mac OS than Windows 10
27:51 <DHess> Oh, I wouldn't go that far.
27:54 <Halcyon> It's just a shame Apple hardware sucks so bad
28:02 <Halcyon> Oh I would, that's how much I hate Windows 10 :P
28:13 <DHess> And getting worse all the time. Apple hardware is for looking at and not using.
28:52 <Halcyon> Just over priced toys
29:00 <Halcyon> Don't expect them to last or be reliable
29:59 <DHess> If I wanted a chicklet keyboard, I'd buy a TRS-80.
30:13 <Halcyon> Those keyboards are HORRID to type on
30:20 <Halcyon> They just feel cheap and nasty
30:45 <DHess> I test them when I visit computer stores. I get the idea that salespeople have never seen someone trouch type.
34:39 <Ampera> Arch reinstalled
50:14 <Halcyon> Curiously the web gui doesn't work on Fedora either
50:40 <damian> lol
50:46 <Halcyon> FFS
51:00 <damian> did you put the NIC into a NAT network or something
51:17 <Halcyon> Nope, just a V-switch straight into my LAN
51:22 <Halcyon> I can ping it, do everything else
51:32 <damian> when you go to bed tonight give me teamviewer access to your computer
51:35 <damian> i wanna hav a look at this shit
51:40 <damian> it'll keep me away
51:41 <damian> awake
51:57 <Ampera> ew teamviewer
53:39 <damian> i know, i only said it because it's generally what people use
53:42 <damian> i'm a screenconnect person myself
53:50 <Ampera> never heard of it
53:57 <Ampera> I use ssh primarily
54:09 <Ampera> if I needed something more desktop-ey, I'd use VNC or RDP
55:00 <damian> it's the best remote access tool for Windows you can get IMO. secure, quick, feature packed
55:23 <damian> i recommend to no one to use VNC without it being behind a VPN, and no RDP unless it's VPN'd or RDG'd
55:40 <Ampera> the issue is that Halcyon doesn't use Windows, and neither do I
55:43 <damian> the number of my old clients who used to get attached from brute force attacks on those two is redonks
55:55 <damian> fair point
56:02 <damian> just forward port 443 through to your esxi box then
56:12 <damian> and give me credentials :P
56:21 <Halcyon> :P
56:25 <Ampera> I bet it would depend on the implementation, I believe most VNC implementations for Linux are half-way secure
56:31 <Ampera> idk about RDP, but they are both just protocols
56:54 <Ampera> but ssh is loved by all for being very secure, and very versatile
58:47 <damian> yeah but they're direct protocols that can be brute forced using common account names, even if there's a failed pass lockout it doesn't help when a heap of connections attack at once
59:02 <damian> RDGateway means that even if they break the gateway, they dont know what machines are behind it
59:22 <damian> and VPN would be pretty hard with a requirement of a passphrase and a user/pass combo
00:00 <Ampera> I wonder if you can't just use an SSH-esque pub/private key auth system
00:18 <Ampera> there's got to be one VNC or RDP implementation with key-only auth support
00:18 <damian> with what?
00:22 <damian> ahh
01:09 <damian> that's essentially what i do to get into my home, i SSH in and then tunnel to the computers
01:35 <Ampera> no, I mean a VNC/RDP implementation that uses that auth system
01:37 <Ampera> not goes over SSH
02:03 <Ampera> I'd just use X11 forwarding if I wanted that, which is slow and the entire reason why I'd want to use something like VNC/RDP
03:00 <damian> X11 uses RDP protocol yeah?
03:07 <Ampera> no
03:13 <Ampera> X11 uses the X11 protocol
03:23 <Ampera> X11 /is/ a server/client protocol
03:38 <Ampera> which can be tunneled over an SSH connection
07:53 <Ampera> pulseaudio is set up now
08:06 <Ampera> much to my annoyance, but I have to use it :P
09:35 <damian> interesting
09:55 <damian> alls i know is that you can RDP to some linuxes
10:12 <damian> i cant remember the last time i used a linux gui, they werent very good back then though
10:19 <Ampera> X is the client/server based windowing protocol
10:24 <Ampera> for Unix-likes
10:31 <Ampera> it's been a thing since the mid 1980's
11:18 <damian> yeah
11:23 <Ampera> X1 released in 1984
11:55 <Ampera> but you can actually connect a client (application) to a server (where the display hardware is) over a network, instead of just locally, and you can use ssh to make it secure
12:30 <Ampera> in /theory/ you can pipe an entire desktop environment over, but it's not a fun process, and stuff like randr and graphical acceleration might not be available over SSH tunneled X
12:53 <Ampera> that's why VNC and RDP are ideal, because you can see the entire desktop, instead of the normal few programs
12:55 <Halcyon> I honestly can't work out this webadmin thing
12:57 <Halcyon> It's starting
13:05 <Halcyon> Everything says it should work but it doesn't
13:30 <Ampera> install apache for shits and giggles
13:32 <Ampera> maybe it needs it
13:41 <Ampera> and just doesn't tell you because the webadmin module isn't required for us
13:53 <Ampera> *use
13:54 <Halcyon> I'll try that
14:40 <Ampera> I do have apache on my htpc, so who knows
16:44 <damian> yeah, RDP is great, but only on a secure line. i couldn't live without it at work or home
17:14 <damian> i installed znc on the weekend without apache, but that was on ubuntu using the package
18:16 <Ampera> I don't actually know if Linux has an RDP server available
18:20 <damian> just go do something else for a while Halcyon, come back to it in two days and you'll go 'duh *facepalm*' and realise you've done something silly like not actually configure the ip address to static and were going to an ip thats wrong
18:28 <damian> im sure it does, i've rdp'd to linux before
18:32 <Ampera> seems like there is
18:49 <Halcyon> I'm not using a static IP at the moment
18:56 <damian> XRDP
19:07 <Ampera> yeah, just looked at it
19:18 <Ampera> I'll stick with SSH, because it's very very rare that I need a graphical application remotely
20:24 <damian> yeah
20:32 <Halcyon> I'm going to get a wine, this is shitting me
20:39 <damian> hahaha
20:46 <damian> that's what started this in the first place Halcyon!
21:24 <Ampera> well, the offer of my own ZNC is still on the table if you give up
22:45 <Ampera> imma go bed
22:46 <Ampera> nite nite
22:49 <Halcyon> Night Ampera
22:54 <Halcyon> I never give up
23:09 <Ampera> you never give up, do you Halcyon.
23:24 <Halcyon> :)
23:38 <Halcyon> Never gonna give you up
23:46 <Ampera> well imma let you down, night
24:05 <Halcyon> Never gonna run around and desert you
24:07 <Halcyon> :)
32:40 * T3sl4 never gonna dessert ya
32:45 * T3sl4 hogs ice cream for himself
32:51 <Halcyon> Mmmm dessert
32:59 <Halcyon> 5dWTPwkCXWQb27cW227M7VzSJ
33:08 <Halcyon> Dammit, wrong window, how I have to change my root password :P
33:30 * T3sl4 douses Halcyon with sodium metabisulfite
33:36 <T3sl4> (root killer) :P
33:55 <Halcyon> :P
41:49 <Halcyon> This *has* to be an issue with ZNC... the Fedora webconsole on port 9090 works just fine
29:08 <byteturtle> damian, dave posted it on twitter
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32:41 Mode: (by ChanOP) -rtnl
32:50 Mode: (by ChanOP) +tnlr 50
33:38 Mode: (by ChanOP) -rtnl
33:38 Mode: (by ChanOP) +tnlr 50
39:24 Mode: (by ChanOP) -rtnl
39:34 Mode: (by ChanOP) +tnr
39:40 <BlackDevil> that worked
40:00 <Halcyon> What's that?
40:22 <BlackDevil> you are no longer restricted to 50 users
40:33 <Halcyon> \o/
40:39 <Halcyon> Cheers BlackDevil
41:01 <Halcyon> Also yes, Dave did make a post on his Twitter page as well
41:02 <Halcyon> :)
41:44 <byteturtle> why would you restrict the user count anyways? (except for spam protection reasons)
42:09 <Halcyon> That was the only reason, but I was wanting to restrict it to a more respectable 200 or so
42:18 <Halcyon> I suppose it doesn't really matter
42:28 <seaner> It was only for spam reasons
42:47 <seaner> newly created channels spamming used to be a problem...
43:01 <seaner> the restriction increases each week for 4 weeks, then disappears
43:19 <seaner> makes no sense really now, though.
43:30 <byteturtle> must be an austnet thing then
43:51 <Halcyon> All good
44:47 <seaner> AustNet was fast to respond to issues on the network, and you still see a lot of those restrictions or oddities from those times
45:25 <Halcyon> Not a bad thing
45:31 <Halcyon> Why fix what's not broke
46:29 <byteturtle> alright, it's almost 8AM - time to go <.<
50:28 <Halcyon> That reads a bit better
50:40 <seaner> does Dave come into the channel ?
50:53 <seaner> or Dave jnr? is it
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51:23 <Halcyon> He was here earlier just testing it out
51:35 <Halcyon> I'm hoping to get him or David to join us regularly for Q&A's
51:41 <Halcyon> But he's a busy guy
53:22 <seaner> yeah
53:41 <damian> [04:32:59pm] (Halcyon) 5dWTPwkCXWQb27cW227M7VzSJ
53:41 <damian> [04:33:08pm] (Halcyon) Dammit, wrong window, how I have to change my root password :P
53:45 <damian> nice, now pass that port through
53:46 <damian> lol
53:53 <Halcyon> :P
53:56 <seaner> stop it damian
53:57 <Halcyon> That password is now invalid
54:21 <damian> damnit
54:43 <Halcyon> It was only for my ZNC server anyway which is a hunk of crap
54:55 <damian> hahahaha
55:36 <damian> just rebuild one of your other vm's for znc, then at least you know the vm works
55:50 <Halcyon> The thing is, EVERYTHING else on that VM works
55:59 <Halcyon> I can go to the Fedora admin console just fine
56:01 <damian> yeah it's weird
56:08 <damian> what port are you setting it on?
56:16 <Halcyon> I've tried 6000 and 6667
56:28 <damian> with ssl or without?
56:31 <Halcyon> Both
56:37 <damian> seems buggy
56:41 <Halcyon> Yep
56:54 <damian> want to chuck your znc config somewhere
57:14 <Halcyon> Yeh I can, it's *really* basic just to get it starting
57:27 <damian> yeah'
57:34 <damian> i just want to compoare it to a first-run that i have
01:03 <Halcyon> https://imgur.com/a/aybpPBo
02:36 <damian> try port 15000
02:54 <damian> port 6000/6667 doesn't work for me on my local machine iether
03:00 <Halcyon> Hmmmmm
03:07 <damian> even though it says 'choose a port between 1024-16650' or whateve rit is
10:14 <Halcyon> Nope, still nothing
10:46 <damian> damn, i thought i had it!
16:12 <Halcyon> Good idea though
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20:28 <Halcyon> :D
24:48 <damian> did you install apache?
25:28 <Halcyon> Not yet, but the admin console page works for Fedora Server?
25:34 <Halcyon> So it's serving HTML pages
25:49 <damian> you installed fedora?
25:53 <damian> maybe that's core though, like ssh
26:00 <Halcyon> Perhaps
27:03 <damian> did you check pid vs netstat?
29:57 <Halcyon> Not yet
29:59 <Halcyon> I shall soon
35:48 <steve30> There, I registered with nickserv
36:07 <Halcyon> Same as your nick?
42:16 <Halcyon> damian: What's the command to accept chanops again ? :P
44:28 <damian> `confirm steve30
44:30 <damian> will do the trick
44:36 <damian> otherwise, /ChanOP confirm #EEVblog steve30
44:38 <Halcyon> Thanks :P
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01:05 <timk> Hi, I’m Tim K, I like IRC and long walks on the beach.
01:20 <T3sl4> hi Tim K, I'm Tim W
01:23 <T3sl4> :P
02:22 * timk high fives Tim W
02:33 <T3sl4> o/
02:52 <Halcyon> Awww, I'm not Tim :(
03:07 * T3sl4 gives Halcyon some Timbits
03:11 <Halcyon> There's also a Tim over there *points in DogWomble_'s direction*
03:12 <T3sl4> oh wait, that's Canada
03:13 <Guest|36637> nice museum
03:32 <DogWomble_> we're handing out mybits?
03:42 <Halcyon> How long have you been sitting there?
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04:09 <T3sl4> although as museums go, i guess the "advanced" options they have here, mean we won't be revisiting the best parts of IRC, spam wars and floods and other abuse :P
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04:47 <damian> don't forget about sex bots
04:51 <T3sl4> !list
04:55 <damian> hhahaha
05:02 <T3sl4> ciao
05:08 <von> ASL timk
05:12 <von> cyber ?
05:13 <T3sl4> those still pop up on afternet from time to time..
05:42 <steve30> Which reminds me, I don't think we've had any spam for the L0DE radio hour for a while
05:49 <timk> What’s this remembering nonsense, Damian and I never left
05:50 <damian> the worst thing i ever had was going onto networks and being hit on by turkish guys, mainly on places like efnet
05:55 <damian> apparently damian is a females name there
06:28 <T3sl4> hah
07:19 <timk> I made my channel in 1998, woah
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09:57 <Halcyon> timk: What's your channel?
10:18 <damian> you should ask timk about your issues with bsd Halcyon :P
10:35 <Halcyon> T3sl4: @find Britney Spears*.mp3
10:35 <Halcyon> :P
10:51 <Halcyon> I don't think it's a BSD issue, I think its a ZNC issue
16:18 <damian> true true
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16:50 <timk> Halcyon: unix
17:15 <timk> I’m good at breaking bsd :)
17:44 <Halcyon> I don't want to break it
17:49 <T3sl4> breaking boron sulfo-deuteride?
17:49 <damian> hahah
17:56 <Halcyon> I want to work out why the hell ZNC doesn't work
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19:45 <T3sl4> wth, steam just popped up that my other computer is ready for streaming
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20:30 <DogWomble_> Halcyon, have you turned it off and on again?
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21:12 <steve30> I wonder if Dingo has a donger
21:28 <T3sl4> or if he's frisky
21:41 <DogWomble_> or if he stole a baby
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22:09 <T3sl4> dingoes eat babies on the barby, right?
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22:22 <DogWomble_> after they throw the shrimp on
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26:31 <Halcyon> T3sl4: Other computer?
26:46 <T3sl4> yes, it's just been sitting unattended
26:58 <T3sl4> i don't get why it popped up
27:06 <Halcyon> Spooky
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34:00 <Halcyon> I'm going to go have a shower, back soon gents
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59:31 <T3sl4> https://imgur.com/gallery/rbU0FT9
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03:10 <Halcyon> What is it?
03:19 <T3sl4> Samoyed
03:20 <Halcyon> It doesn't play for me, but if it's flash, then that explains it
03:23 <Halcyon> Awww doggy
03:38 <T3sl4> it's webm o.o
04:10 <Halcyon> Mmm
04:24 <Halcyon> Stupid Linux
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11:02 <Halcyon> Apologies for all the join/quit messages everyone. Just sorting out an issue with the web client.
11:31 * T3sl4 swats at Halcyon with a random number generator
11:50 * Halcyon adjusts T3sl4's RNG to generate predictable numbers
12:23 <Halcyon> It now only spits out 0's and 1's :P
12:37 <T3sl4> https://i.imgur.com/uR4WuQ0.gif
12:50 <Halcyon> Hahaha
12:54 <Halcyon> Exactly
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27:50 <marty> Awwww... I've not been to IRC for years! Or even decades.
27:54 <marty> Hello to all!
28:26 <von> hey marty
28:34 <andtfoot_> Hey, same here.
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31:02 <Marty> So how it happenned that this channel was born?
31:22 <Marty> Does Dave come here?
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33:13 <Guest|70673> i tried to view the early casts but the links dont work. Is this a known bug?
33:27 <Marty> Looks like this chan can expect a lot of new users today :D Dave tweeted about this a while ago.
34:33 <andtfoot_> I think it's been around for ages; it just recently moved over from irc.oz.org.
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37:05 <damian> Guest|70673, i did the same earlier today and they didn't work for me either.
37:18 <damian> you can watch them direct from youtube though, https://www.youtube.com/user/EEVblog/videos?sort=da&flow=grid&view=0
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40:59 <damian> how is it that in ten years dave's appearance hasn't changed a bit
41:01 <damian> is he a vampire?
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02:52 <deniz> Hi guys! great to be here!
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18:54 <Guest|70673> @damian; Thanks!
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32:13 <Guest|59716> Hi
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51:24 <pa9tv> great initiative!
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57:38 <pa9tv> topic of the day? nasa insight in about 8 hrs!!!
59:40 <pa9tv> i guess early rise for the ozzies.
01:44 <andtfoot> Yeah, about 5:30 here I think?
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03:22 <andtfoot> or maybe that's when streamin starts; it looks to be a bit before 7am according to a couple of sources.
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05:32 <pa9tv> ai, lucky its in the evening here. 21:00 LT +/-
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