// #eevblog — 2018-11-28
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00:22:18 <e|f> I'm out. Goodnight, AustNet! May your dreams be sweet. :)
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02:48:24 <Ampera> Halcyon, not when I'm being denied sleep until 02:30
02:48:49 <Ampera> In other news, I have successfully split a turkey in half
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06:16:28 <Ampera> Well, it seems like the chaos around the channel has died down, and quicker than I expected.
06:17:42 <DHess> Attica! Attica! Attica!
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07:46:37 <Guest|66790> hi
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10:01:58 <Guest|17837> hi there
10:02:14 <Guest|17837> I had a capacitor question
10:02:21 <Guest|17837> anyone available?
10:02:23 <Ampera> What is it?
10:03:09 <Guest|17837> can i replace a 1200uf(D) 65degree 500v with a 1200uf(M) 500V 85 degree capacitor?
10:04:08 <Guest|17837> i have a strobe light that uses 4 of them and one is blown
10:04:30 <Guest|17837> but i can't find this 1200uf(D) 65degree 500v excactly
10:04:31 <Ampera> As in 85 degree max rated operating temperature?
10:04:37 <Guest|17837> yes
10:04:57 <Ampera> Ususally capacitors are fairly forgiving in what you can use. If the temperature rating is a bit higher, it should work fine.
10:05:14 <Guest|17837> i wan a bit concerned about the D and M part
10:05:21 <Ampera> Ususally the main things you don't want to do is use a capacitor rated below the part you are replacing in capacity, rated voltage/temperature
10:05:28 <Ampera> Ah, that is something I didn't see.
10:05:36 <coppice> It didn't realise people made electrolytics rated as low as 65C
10:05:49 <Guest|17837> was D 0.5pf vs M %20
10:05:51 <Ampera> Neither did I.
10:06:05 <coppice> One thing to note about those temperatures is they are the are usually the maximum temp for 1000 hours of operating life
10:07:05 <Guest|17837> i figured matching the uf and V would be enough
10:07:16 <Guest|17837> and a higher temp should be better
10:07:25 <Guest|17837> but the D and the M confused me
10:07:48 <Ampera> Trying to look up what the letters mean, unless coppice particularly knows, I'm ususally just a good googleer
10:07:51 <Guest|17837> worst thing that can happen is i blow the cap again right?
10:08:16 <Ampera> There's a lot of worst things that can happen.
10:08:57 <Guest|17837> this is what i found
10:09:10 <Guest|17837> D ± 0.5 pF
10:09:19 <Guest|17837> M ± 20%
10:09:28 <Ampera> Yeah, I'm looking on WIkipedia, they do list those for tolerances, not D, but they do list M
10:09:45 <Guest|17837> they are not even in the same units
10:09:57 <Guest|17837> i found it here http://www.robotoid.com/appnotes/electronics-capacitor-markings.html
10:10:28 <Ampera> Presumably because they mean different things.
10:10:44 <Ampera> From what I can understand, those values represent the maximum deviation from the rated capacitance.
10:11:14 <Ampera> 20% of 1200uF is a lot more than 0.5pF
10:11:25 <Ampera> The implications, however, are beyond me.
10:12:26 <Guest|17837> this particular part is so hard to find
10:12:37 <Guest|17837> anyways
10:12:40 <Ampera> I mean, if it were me, I'd just stick the capacitor in say "good enough"
10:12:46 <Guest|17837> lol
10:12:54 <Guest|17837> that's what i am thinking too
10:13:05 <Ampera> but that's just me, if you blow up your lamp, don't hold me responsible
10:13:29 <Ampera> I'm just a stranger on the internet, and have a very basic understanding of electronics.
10:13:34 <Guest|17837> haha
10:13:49 <Guest|17837> this thing has them all in parallel
10:14:16 <Guest|17837> ugh...
10:14:21 <Guest|17837> damn D and M
10:14:30 <Guest|17837> thanks internet stranger
10:15:04 <Ampera> I mean those are tolerances, lower tolerances means that the capacitor might hold less or more of the rated capacitance.
10:15:52 <Ampera> As I understand electronics, which is not something anybody should ever go by, it ususally isn't often that bad to go higher in capacitance, so maybe an idea is to use something with a higher capacitance rating, even if it's only +/- 20%
10:15:58 <Ampera> just account for the worst case -20%
10:16:32 <Guest|17837> hum...
10:16:40 <Guest|17837> ok sounds good
10:16:45 <Guest|17837> thanks again
10:16:56 <Ampera> I'd back my advice with corraberation on Google, as with anything.
10:17:07 <Guest|17837> already there lol
10:17:59 <Ampera> https://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/15875/can-capacitors-be-replaced-with-higher-capacitance-ones
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12:19:21 <Halcyon> Zmpera :)
12:19:24 <Halcyon> Ampera even
12:19:36 <Ampera> Hi
12:19:44 * Halcyon sips coffee
12:19:57 * Ampera sips the depression of life
12:20:02 * Ampera promptly choaks on it
12:20:40 <Ampera> I'm feeling rather nostalgic tonight, and when I get nostalgic, I get depressed.
12:20:59 <Halcyon> Aww
12:21:19 <Ampera> manger de la merde
12:21:52 <Ampera> I smoked a turkey today.
12:22:00 <Halcyon> Oh nice
12:22:17 <Halcyon> What did you have it with?
12:22:25 <Ampera> nothing
12:22:30 <Halcyon> Just meat?
12:22:34 <Ampera> Just meat.
12:22:52 <DogWomble> sounds like you gobbled it down
12:23:07 <Ampera> no, I just had one drumstrick
12:23:14 <Halcyon> Gobble gobble :P
12:23:15 <coppice> I remember the good old days, when nostalgia used to be so much better than it is now
12:23:26 <Ampera> fucking nostalgists, they ruined nostalgia
12:24:13 <Ampera> I cut myself on the turkey while making it
12:24:34 <coppice> did it get its teeth into you?
12:24:49 <DogWomble> were you trying to kill it and it got angry saying "i'm goign to cut you"?
12:25:04 <Ampera> No, in the process of trying to halve it, I had to break a bone in half with my hands
12:25:17 <Ampera> and ended up slicing the palm of my hand with one of the splinters
12:25:33 <coppice> being so poor you lack a basic knife must be relly tough
12:25:48 <Ampera> My only good knife is a paring knife.
12:25:58 <Ampera> It's sharp, but all of our real knives are incredibly dull
12:26:27 <coppice> and there is not stone where you live?
12:26:29 <Ampera> since we don't have anything decent for sharpening knives, they are all just dull. I've been meaning to get an oil/water stone to remedy that
12:26:51 <coppice> who wants exciting knives, anyway. sounds dangerous
12:26:52 <Ampera> Yes, but my mom doesn't really care, and just uses this swiping thing that in my practice doesn't do a whole lot.
12:29:02 <DogWomble> I have now got a rather strange image of a tinder app for knives...
12:29:23 <Ampera> Now I have en even /stranger/ image of that.
12:29:39 <Ampera> a dating service where the people you accept come over to slice and stab you
12:29:39 <Halcyon> Ampera: Yeh those "knife sharpeners" are shit
12:29:45 <DogWomble> i'm now trying to work out whether a fruit ninja and tinder crossover would work
12:29:55 <Halcyon> You need a steel or even better, a sharpening stone
12:30:18 <Ampera> I don't get how a steel does anything. We have one, but I've never gotten it to do much.
12:30:30 <Ampera> Maybe I just am not doing it right, but I thought it was primarily to de-burr the knife
12:30:49 <Halcyon> Basically yes
12:31:02 <Ampera> So how does that help me sharpen a knife?
12:32:15 <Halcyon> The burrs cause the knife to have a blunt edge
12:32:56 <Ampera> Anyways, I might look into getting a stone at some point, I just don't need an exceptionally sharp knife all that often.
12:34:03 <Halcyon> I just use a steel
12:34:11 <Halcyon> Does a good enough job for me
12:34:32 <Ampera> I thought you were a cop and didn't steel.
12:34:56 <coppice> a good steel, if you know how to use it properly, keeps a knife in shape most of the time. you need some serious wear to demand a stone
12:36:01 <Halcyon> Har har Ampera :P
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12:41:15 <Ampera> Nice username.
12:42:09 <Halcyon> Original :P
12:43:43 <Ampera> Question, does anybody else find the westinghouse logo to be particularly creepy?
12:44:05 <Halcyon> *looks*
12:44:21 <Halcyon> No, not really?
12:44:33 <Ampera> I spent entirely too much time today staring at footage of the Westinghouse sign, and it just felt really creepy
12:45:21 <Halcyon> Union Carbide is creepy to me
12:45:25 <Halcyon> Reminds me of this doco: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsuUQzhP2Ds
12:45:55 <Ampera> The logo or the company in general?
12:45:58 <Halcyon> The name
12:46:03 <Halcyon> Reminds me of death
12:46:11 <Ampera> I don't see that
12:46:37 <Ampera> Idk, my mind is nearing a breaking point, I'm starting to precieve things in a very abstract, unreal manner.
12:46:46 <Banned_User_12> Do others see this stupid message at the bottom of their it's quite annoyingly and should be removed."The EEVblog Store generally ships twice a week..........."
12:46:59 <Ampera> I feel almost as if my mind is splitting, as if concious and unconcious are seperating.
12:47:10 <Ampera> their what, Banned_User_12?
12:47:28 <Banned_User_12> Screen
12:47:47 <Ampera> Ah, you mean the website. Most of us are using desktop IRC clients.
12:48:13 <Ampera> That probably shouldn't be there across the site, think you should hit up geoff about that, Halcyon?
12:49:02 <Banned_User_12> I cannot install Mirc or nything on this gadget so used the EEVblog chat page.
12:49:12 <Ampera> What are you using?
12:50:12 <Banned_User_12> A ridiculously stupid LG TV
12:50:27 <Ampera> If you need to use a web client, you can just go to KiwiIRC's main website and use it straight up
12:50:33 <Ampera> why are you IRCing on your TV?
12:50:47 <Halcyon> Banned_User_12: Which page are you seeing it on?
12:50:55 <Ampera> Halcyon, I see it everywhere.
12:50:58 <Ampera> Main page, chat, store
12:51:16 <Halcyon> Ahh yes I see that now
12:51:52 <Halcyon> Perhaps throw a post up on the forum, Dave will see it there
12:53:13 <Banned_User_12> I might tke a photo of the screen and post it on the forum to show just how annoying it is.
12:54:13 <Ampera> I think it's probably primarily annoying on a large format display like a TV
12:57:35 <Halcyon> Banned_User_12: Good idea
12:58:00 <Halcyon> It belongs in the store, but probably not on any other page
12:58:14 <Halcyon> It's built on Wordpress so Dave should be able to modify it
12:58:51 <Ampera> wordpress, for when web development prodly displays why its so awful.
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13:03:38 <Halcyon> Heheh Wee
13:03:58 * Ampera wees on Halcyon
13:04:03 <Halcyon> Charming
13:05:35 <Ampera> https://i.redd.it/ddndar8diy021.jpg
13:07:42 <DHess> Do not taunt the grenade dog.
13:08:07 <Halcyon> Hahha
13:08:29 <Halcyon> Cute puppy
13:08:39 <Ampera> https://gyazo.com/2c0187c5b348f1c2e9b4a01865b9a49c
13:09:01 <Ampera> I'm going around the internets looking for stupid pictures
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13:10:04 <Guest|48071> hi
13:10:29 <Ampera> Ho
13:12:33 <Halcyon> Bag
13:12:46 * Ampera smacks Halcyon
13:12:48 <Halcyon> :D
13:13:25 <Ampera> https://i.redd.it/fz1qlc277v021.jpg
13:13:49 <Halcyon> Weird
13:14:05 <Ampera> Yes you are.
13:14:49 <Halcyon> Hmm Sydney is flooding it seems
13:14:52 <Halcyon> https://www.news.com.au/technology/environment/wild-wetnesday-torrential-rain-expected-to-lash-sydney-and-surrounds/news-story/1385a57d99fde7796d39324aa1d40b5b
13:15:34 <Ampera> Wasn't Sydney in a drought?
13:15:38 <Halcyon> Nah
13:15:55 <Halcyon> Some farmland areas in Western NSW are
13:16:06 <Halcyon> But we're talking 800-1000 KM's away
13:16:14 <Ampera> ah, so right next door.
13:16:21 <Halcyon> Yup, just up the road
13:16:22 <Halcyon> :)
13:16:32 <Ampera> well 1000km is 1m, right?
13:16:40 <Ampera> a mile isn't that far
13:16:53 <Halcyon> ?
13:17:16 <Ampera> 1000 kilo (thousand) miles, means 1000 thousandths of a mile
13:17:18 <DHess> What?
13:17:20 <Ampera> so 1000km is a mile
13:17:49 <Halcyon> Ampera, even your joking maths doesn't make sense
13:18:01 <DHess> I'm revoking your use of the metric system.
13:18:01 <Ampera> it's not supposed to.
13:18:13 <Ampera> Oh well, at least I still have the SI.
13:18:16 <Halcyon> DHess: That's the problem, he's from Retardistan :P
13:18:31 <Ampera> Isn't sarcasm illegal in your country?
13:18:44 <Halcyon> No, it's illegal if you AREN'T sarcastic
13:19:01 <Ampera> Ah.
13:19:02 <Halcyon> It's also illegal to take offence at jokes
13:19:11 <Ampera> fuck you.
13:19:13 <Ampera> I'm joky
13:19:16 <Ampera> *ing
13:19:17 <Halcyon> :)
13:19:42 <Halcyon> I need to go to the shops, but it's wet out :(
13:20:06 <Ampera> so you're saying the cbd is in the c?
13:20:10 <DHess> BRB
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13:20:16 <Halcyon> Just about
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13:20:33 <Halcyon> I'm about 800 metres ASL from Sydney
13:20:45 <Ampera> A/S/L Sydney?
13:20:48 <Ampera> This really is IRC.
13:20:50 <Halcyon> :P
13:20:56 <Halcyon> Above Sea Level
13:21:21 <Ampera> CBD, A/S/L, y'all upside downies know how to have a good time
13:21:30 <Halcyon> Hahaha
13:21:40 <Halcyon> Where are you from DHess_US ?
13:21:49 <DHess_US> Don't taunt anything from Australia.
13:21:51 <Ampera> The US I would guess
13:21:53 <T3sl4> your daily WTF: http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/dac8760.pdf just read the "SPI" section alone
13:21:57 <Halcyon> Yes, well done Ampera
13:21:58 <Halcyon> Specifically
13:22:14 <DHess_US> From? I'm from California but I currently live about 30 minutes west of St. Louis, Missouri.
13:22:22 <Halcyon> Page number T3sl4 ?
13:22:32 <Halcyon> Ah nice :)
13:22:33 <T3sl4> its bookmarked
13:23:10 <Halcyon> *blinks*
13:23:16 * Ampera blinks harder
13:23:25 <Halcyon> I have no idea what you're on about T3sl4
13:23:26 <DHess_US> austnet hides all of the revese DNS so there isn't an easy way to know where everybody is from.
13:23:39 <T3sl4> it's insidious
13:23:47 <T3sl4> it looks normal enough at a cursory glance
13:23:52 <Ampera> well it says charter, so I presume that's US
13:24:05 <Halcyon> DHess_US: Yes, that was one of the advantages of choosing this server
13:24:22 <Ampera> whosing me says I'm in Albany. Sadly it even gives my IP.
13:24:37 <DHess_US> It would be as secure if it just masked the beginning.
13:24:37 <Halcyon> I think if you whois yourself, it doesn't block it
13:24:51 <Halcyon> * [Ampera] @#EEVblog
13:24:51 <Halcyon> * [Ampera] irc.austnet.org :AustNet
13:24:51 <Halcyon> * [Ampera] has identified to services
13:24:51 <Halcyon> * [Ampera] is using a secure connection
13:24:51 <Halcyon> * [Ampera] idle 00:00:20, signon: Mon Nov 26 23:43:13
13:24:53 <Halcyon> * [Ampera] End of WHOIS list.
13:25:02 <Ampera> Huh, nvm then
13:26:04 <Halcyon> I think if you're registered and logged into your nick, you get a .user address
13:26:11 <Halcyon> Everyone else has their IPs or hosts masked
13:30:57 <Halcyon> Ill be back soon, might as well go shopping while I can be bothered.
13:31:02 <Ampera> ciao
13:31:08 <Ampera> I'll either be here or asleep
13:31:09 <Ampera> or both
13:40:09 <damian> we have a couple of differnet things
13:40:25 <damian> if you connect to the network normally, you'll get a hashed address, you can still see the isp.com
13:40:45 <damian> if you identify to services, you will get an austnet.*.user address, you can change this by visiting #ASD after being here for a week
13:40:52 <damian> (custom vhosts are for everyone here)
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14:22:36 <Halcyon> Fucking hell it's wet out there
14:22:42 <Halcyon> I feel like I just had a cold showerr
14:24:12 * Halcyon is moist
14:42:45 <Halcyon> Oh nice, thanks Damian
14:43:02 <Halcyon> So I could have ampera.sucks.balls if I wanted? ;-)
14:53:47 <Ampera> thanks for waking me up
14:53:59 <Halcyon> How did I wake you up? Was my typing too loud?
14:54:07 <Ampera> no, I want to blame you for it
14:54:15 <Halcyon> Alright, fair enough
14:54:15 <Ampera> but what makes it funny is I wasn't even sleeping
14:54:27 <Halcyon> Well I know you weren't masturbating, so what were you doing?
14:54:40 <Ampera> writhing in agony
14:54:46 <Halcyon> Too much Turkey?
14:54:50 <Ampera> no
14:54:58 <Ampera> actually a bit hungry, but that's not my issue
14:54:58 <Halcyon> Need to poo?
14:55:02 <Ampera> I just hate life atm
14:55:21 <Halcyon> *hugs*
14:55:23 <Halcyon> Check your PM
14:55:29 <Ampera> yeah I saw it
14:55:36 <Halcyon> Thoughts?
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15:09:51 <Halcyon> Mmm chilli chicken
15:12:50 <Ampera> I keep stuffing my face with pretzels
15:13:13 <Halcyon> I ate all the pretzels I had and didn't buy anymore :(
15:13:20 <Halcyon> Probably a good thing though
15:13:41 <Ampera> I have a 737g barrel of them
15:13:47 <Halcyon> Fatty :P
15:13:48 <Ampera> 26oz for normal people
15:14:01 <Ampera> no, tomorrow is when I go fatty
15:14:08 <Halcyon> There is nothing normal about 26oz/737g of Pretzels
15:14:15 <Ampera> I'm gonna end up frying a shit ton of chicken, pork, mushrooms, and potatoes
15:15:35 <Ampera> I'm feeling tempted to hook up my Pentium MMX machine and play some Quake
15:15:38 <Ampera> but, effort
15:15:51 <Halcyon> I was going to do some retro computing today too
15:17:29 <Ampera> fine fine fine, I'll hook it up
15:17:48 <Ampera> watch as my SCSI drive is loose again and I spend 5 hours trying to fix a computer from the mid 90's
15:22:57 <Halcyon> Ampera: Dave said he thinks what we discussed is a good idea
15:23:05 <Halcyon> But then he mentioned Reddit AMA, what the hell is that?
15:25:14 <Ampera> Pentium Away!
15:25:28 <Ampera> Most traditional AMAs are done over Reddit, rather than IRC.
15:25:38 <Ampera> (Ask Me Anythings)
15:26:45 <Ampera> Welp, my machine booted right up, SCSI is all good.
15:27:02 <Ampera> This machine actually boots really fast, let me see if I have the drive benchmarks I made a while ago
15:27:55 <Ampera> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/357283921999953933/391224168173273089/IMG_20171215_084420.jpg
15:28:04 <Ampera> This is for a 1996/1997 machine
15:30:52 <Ampera> This is interesting, I think my optical mouse works better on my bare desk than my ball mouse
15:31:26 <Halcyon> I presume with Reddit you need to sign up for an account?
15:42:06 <Ampera> huh, apparently I already have USB stick drivers installed for Windows 95 on this computer
15:42:55 <Halcyon> If its 95c I think Mass Storage Adapter came included didn't it?
15:43:31 <Ampera> Mass storage drivers didn't come with Windows until NT5
15:43:46 <Ampera> 95c had USB support over previous versions
15:44:01 <Ampera> Compatible with a very small number of USB chipsets, one of which I just happen to have.
15:44:39 <Ampera> oh great, I don't have CD audio hooked up :P
15:44:57 <Halcyon> What are you playing?
15:45:03 <Ampera> Quake
15:45:10 <Halcyon> Don't be a rude prick, stream it
15:45:19 <Ampera> I don't have a VGA capture card
15:45:32 <Halcyon> Dammit Ampera
15:46:00 <Ampera> so unless you really want me to play Quake on stream, in which case I'll just use a Linux port
15:46:16 <Halcyon> No I don't really care that much
15:46:31 <Halcyon> Although I need to get a VGA capture device for myself
15:46:51 <Ampera> Damn I am lazy, I just don't have the connector plugged into my sound card
15:46:58 <Halcyon> Sloppy
15:47:23 <Halcyon> I wonder if B&H sell them
15:47:54 <Halcyon> Fuck they are expensive
15:48:02 <Ampera> I'd likely just get a VGA to HDMI converter
15:48:11 <Ampera> and then use my HDMI capture card
15:48:16 <Halcyon> I want to be able to capture CGA/EGA
15:48:23 <Halcyon> Which I'd already be running through a converter
15:48:54 <Ampera> it still doesn't want to play it
15:49:07 <Halcyon> Did Quake use CDA?
15:49:33 <Ampera> Yes, the entire sound track is on CD
15:49:47 <Halcyon> Fair enough
15:50:11 <Ampera> Which also means I can just stick any old CD in, and it will play it over Quake
15:50:35 <Ampera> so I can play Quake to the tune of Frankie Valli and the Four Seasons if I wanted to.
15:50:40 <Ampera> which is literally the only audio CD I own.
15:50:55 <Halcyon> \o/ Frankie Valli
15:51:23 <Halcyon> Dave wants to do the chat as a live streaming thing
15:51:30 <Halcyon> But he has to wait until his access is reinstated
15:51:55 <Ampera> mmmm, youtube
15:52:38 <Ampera> maybe for whatever reason the CD audio connector isn't hot pluggable
15:52:41 <Ampera> I'll try rebooting
15:57:24 <Ampera> There we go, CD audio
15:57:34 <Halcyon> YAY!
15:57:58 <Ampera> The issue is that this computer is very far from my main machine, which I am patching the audio through
15:58:14 <Ampera> so my patch cable is just barely long enough, and fell out while I was rustling things around
15:58:42 <Ampera> 3Dfx time!
16:00:19 <Halcyon> Hah, its actually cheaper for me to order a capture device from NYC then from Australia
16:00:46 <Ampera> I have a Happague PVR 2, which does HDMI, YPbPr, Composite, and S-Video
16:00:50 <Ampera> just no RGB of any sort
16:01:11 <Halcyon> I've wanted one of these for ages: https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/686585-REG/Blackmagic_Design_BINTSSHU_Intensity_Shuttle.html
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16:43:35 <Halcyon> How's Quake going Ampera?
16:43:50 <Ampera> My grandfather called, I ignored it for a bit, and it crashed the computer
16:43:58 <Halcyon> :(
16:44:05 <Halcyon> Why did it crash? Temperature?
16:44:24 <Ampera> It's a 233Mhz MMX, unless it just had no heatsink at all, I doubt it would do so.
16:44:36 <Ampera> Probably something rustled around, there's like 6 cards in that box, or something else happened
16:44:47 <Halcyon> Hm
16:44:47 <Ampera> I mean it's WIndows 95c
16:45:00 <Halcyon> You'd be surprised how MMX CPUs get
16:45:13 <Halcyon> Not quite as hot as AMD processors, but still
16:46:54 <Ampera> Actually almost all of my AMD boxes run cooler than the same Intel hardware from the era.
16:47:07 <Halcyon> Better heatsinks perhaps?
16:47:14 <Ampera> It's not heat though
16:47:26 <Halcyon> User error? :P
16:47:31 <Ampera> I've stressed that box for days on end without crash, it was just a random crash
16:47:36 <Ampera> it happens
16:47:43 <Halcyon> I'm just teasing
16:47:53 <Halcyon> Still havent got ZNC working
16:48:37 <Ampera> what is that 4 days and counting?
16:48:39 <Ampera> versus my 10 minutes?
16:48:53 <Halcyon> Even on Fedora, no web UI
16:48:59 <Halcyon> It *has* to be ZNC
16:49:09 <Ampera> works fine for me
16:49:18 <Halcyon> I find the instructions really lacking
16:49:35 <Ampera> were plentiful enough for me
16:49:38 <Halcyon> I put it down to it being poorly written
16:49:51 <Halcyon> I've never had to stuff around so much with a service
16:49:57 <Ampera> do you want me to set you up an Arch VM or something?
16:50:11 <Halcyon> Nah, I'll look at other options
16:50:15 <Halcyon> When I have time
16:50:52 <Ampera> just run a random box with a terminal-based IRC client and screen, and SSH into it when you need it.
16:51:06 <Ampera> Idk if there's a way to change what X server a program outputs to on the fly, but that's another option
16:51:17 <Halcyon> Yeh that could work too
16:56:42 <timk> i just use weechat client and when i want a pretty frontend i use glowing-bear
16:57:09 <timk> (not to be confused with wechat the chinese program)
16:57:39 <Halcyon> It looks good, but it's named after urine :P
16:58:33 <timk> i run it inside tmux
16:58:58 <Halcyon> I'm just using Hexchat at the moment, but I don't normally keep my desktop PC on 24/7
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18:00:56 <mrpackethead> mmm... lots going on
18:01:04 <Halcyon> Absolutely :) Welcome
18:01:11 <mrpackethead> anyone feeling 'offical'
18:01:21 <Halcyon> Did you come here to stir trouble?
18:13:16 <Halcyon> Ampera, did you want to run up that VM for me? I'll give it a go
18:13:22 <Halcyon> I can't work this thing out
18:13:43 <Halcyon> I can get the Fedora server manager to work via HTTP
18:13:45 <Halcyon> But not ZNC
18:14:52 <damian> tehehehe
18:15:00 <Halcyon> Yes, very funny damian :P
18:15:08 <damian> The ZNC Diaries: Week 2
18:15:15 <Halcyon> I still blame the sloppy programming
18:15:18 <damian> lol
18:15:25 <Halcyon> Service says its working but it's not.
18:15:26 <damian> it could be
18:15:45 <damian> one of the reasons i use ubuntu and packages, packages won't be updated unless they're tested and built
18:16:39 <Halcyon> I get that, but so far I've "successfully" tried FreeBSD and Fedora. Both have the same issue.
18:16:56 <Halcyon> I don't think it's the OS at fault
18:17:28 <Halcyon> I honestly wouldn't put it past ESXi though
18:18:17 <damian> i'd be more inclined to say it's the hypervisor or networking than the OS or ZNC
18:18:26 <Halcyon> But everything else works
18:18:29 <Halcyon> Literally everything
18:18:37 <damian> but if you have 15mins to install ubuntu, pull znc from packages and give it a try
18:18:46 <Halcyon> Yeh I've got time
18:18:47 <damian> the package is older than you've probably been downloading, but it's stable
18:18:54 <Halcyon> I don't mind older
18:19:05 <damian> if that combination doesn't work, i'd look at your environment, because that's what i use
18:19:31 <damian> ubuntu 18.04.1 with znc 1.6.5
18:19:51 <Halcyon> Desktop or Server?
18:20:08 <damian> server
18:22:18 <Halcyon> Well booted into the installer, that's always a good sign
18:22:47 <Halcyon> I assume just regular Ubuntu, not the MAAS bare-metal cloud version?
18:22:52 <damian> yeah, just regular
18:23:36 <Halcyon> Did you set up an additional user to root?
18:24:05 <Halcyon> I *think* ZNC creates a ZNC account, but I've been creating one called "znc" on install. I wonder if that is causing dramas?
18:25:13 <damian> yeah, always set up additional users
18:25:23 <Halcyon> Did you call it something other than ZNC?
18:25:24 <damian> root account doesn't have a usable password by default, you can only sudo into it
18:25:38 <damian> i ran mine from a damian account, but you can do as you like
18:25:48 <Halcyon> I'll try something different
18:25:53 <damian> if you're running it as a service, create a znc account once you're in there
18:28:18 <Halcyon> I need to upgrade the RAM in this server
18:28:24 <Halcyon> But its so expensive
18:34:52 <Halcyon> Alrighty, rebooting now...
18:36:28 <Halcyon> OK... installed, did you just use apt-get to install ZNC?
18:37:05 <damian> yuo
18:37:12 <damian> apt-get update
18:37:14 <damian> apt-get install znc
18:37:17 <damian> and voila potatoes
18:37:36 <Halcyon> The instructions suggest all these packages:
18:37:37 <Halcyon> sudo apt-get install znc znc-dbg znc-dev znc-perl znc-python znc-tcl
18:37:50 <damian> do the first one and it'll install the others if you need it
18:38:09 <damian> so you've been following instructions that aren't my and Ampera's?! this is why you're going wrong!
18:38:26 <Halcyon> This is just from https://wiki.znc.in/Installation#Ubuntu
18:38:35 <Halcyon> But I'll do what you did
18:38:50 <damian> official znc website?! crazy
18:39:16 <Halcyon> I assume I need to add the PPA ?
18:39:29 <damian> ppa?
18:39:51 <Halcyon> If I just do apt-get install znc, I get "Unable to locate package znc"
18:40:22 <damian> did you apt-get update?
18:40:25 <Halcyon> Yup
18:40:39 <damian> that's weird. what version of ubuntu?
18:40:46 <Halcyon> Same as yours
18:40:47 <damian> -
18:40:47 <damian> damian@NIC-APP01:~/bored.services.tcl$ sudo apt-get install znc
18:40:47 <damian> [sudo] password for damian:
18:40:47 <damian> Reading package lists... Done
18:40:47 <damian> Building dependency tree
18:40:47 <damian> Reading state information... Done
18:40:47 <damian> The following additional packages will be installed:
18:40:47 <damian> libtcl8.5 znc-perl znc-python znc-tcl
18:40:47 <damian> Suggested packages:
18:40:47 <damian> tcl8.5
18:40:47 <damian> The following NEW packages will be installed:
18:40:47 <damian> libtcl8.5 znc znc-perl znc-python znc-tcl
18:40:47 <damian> 0 to upgrade, 5 to newly install, 0 to remove and 127 not to upgrade.
18:40:47 <damian> Need to get 3,246 kB of archives.
18:40:47 <damian> After this operation, 15.5 MB of additional disk space will be used.
18:40:47 <damian> Do you want to continue? [Y/n]
18:40:49 <damian> -
18:40:52 <damian> mine is happy
18:41:07 <damian> and dns is working on that box?
18:41:13 <Halcyon> Sure is
18:41:16 <damian> like wget www.microsoft.com works
18:41:17 <damian> lol
18:41:26 <damian> thassit i wanna have a look
18:41:27 <Halcyon> It downloaded a bunch of other crap during install and during the update process
18:42:03 <Halcyon> If you have a look at the instructions, it says to install python then add the repo
18:43:53 <damian> that's very strange
18:44:13 <damian> aptitude will either install required packages, or it'll fail saying it needs one it cant find
18:44:24 <damian> but never not finding one, unless it doesn't exist ... which it does
18:44:40 <Halcyon> *shrug*
18:45:00 <damian> definitely sure you have 18.04.1 and not 19.10?
18:45:01 <damian> 18.10
18:45:10 <Halcyon> How do I double-check the version?
18:45:34 <damian> lsb_release -a
18:46:05 <Halcyon> Ubuntu 18.04.1 LTS
18:52:02 <Halcyon> Ill try the instructions on the site...
18:53:24 <damian> the way i read it: This page lists all of the ZNC packages in the Ubuntu repositories.
18:53:37 <damian> is you use the znc package with apt-get, and only continue reading if you dont want to use the apt-get packages
18:53:51 <damian> from source, git master and ppa are alternatives
18:57:58 <Halcyon> Then I have no idea
18:58:01 <Halcyon> DNS is working
18:58:07 <Halcyon> Everything works as far I can see
18:58:39 <Halcyon> I did this: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:teward/znc
18:58:43 <damian> apt-get update actually goes through a list and checks it all off?
18:58:44 <Halcyon> Now apt install znc works
18:58:45 <Halcyon> *shrug*
18:58:50 <Halcyon> Yep
18:59:04 <damian> weird
18:59:39 <damian> do a znc --version once it's done to check where hse's at
18:59:45 <Halcyon> Will do
19:01:31 <Halcyon> T3sl4: Whole heartedly agree with your comment in the forum
19:01:47 <Halcyon> I think some people need to get a hobby
19:02:10 <damian> like irc?
19:02:28 <Halcyon> Well for some, something other than IRC :P
19:02:49 <damian> building vms
19:02:54 <damian> ?
19:03:44 <Halcyon> Sure :)
19:04:27 * T3sl4 nods
19:04:58 <Halcyon> ZNC 1.7.1 damian
19:05:10 <damian> so new
19:05:14 <damian> i dont like it
19:05:23 <Halcyon> I can foresee problems
19:05:29 <Halcyon> But anyway, let's try it again...
19:07:28 <Halcyon> That worked
19:07:38 <Halcyon> Exactly the same config as I have been doing
19:10:41 <damian> MAJOT
19:10:43 <damian> MAGIT
19:10:44 <damian> MAGIC
19:10:47 <Halcyon> :P
19:11:31 <Halcyon> OK I've set up my network and channel, how do I get it to connect?
19:11:47 <Halcyon> Do I have to connect a client first to kick it off?
19:13:19 <damian> do it!
19:14:07 <Halcyon> Nope, connection failed
19:14:31 <damian> the web works tho yeah?
19:14:34 <Halcyon> Yes
19:14:37 <damian> https?
19:14:47 <Halcyon> Yes
19:14:57 <damian> connecting -ssl on client
19:14:57 <damian> ?
19:15:24 <Halcyon> Hmm...
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19:21:20 <banned_user_12> The IRC channel was sort of handy when the forum went offline, we could speculate about what had happened.
19:21:53 <Halcyon> Mmm speculation :)
19:22:41 <Halcyon> OK, I think I'm connected
19:24:02 <banned_user_12> Banned members could also use the IRC to tell their side of the story, Simon just deletes all the posts which is a shame.
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19:25:01 <Halcyon> Hmm, no idea what the hell happened there
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19:25:31 <banned_user_12> You got banned temporarily.
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19:25:45 <Halcyon> Yeh I don't think it likes this and ZNC at the same time
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19:31:55 <Halcyon> Banned User: Yes, different people have different moderation tactics. I don't always agree with them, but they are what they are.
19:32:11 <Halcyon> At least IRC is an open place. Just about anything goes, as long as you aren't a dick.
19:33:07 <Halcyon> Although if you do plan on sticking around, I do suggest you download an IRC client your computer rather than using the web chat.
19:33:59 <damian> well, even if you are a dick it's fine. it's if you're malicious, dangerous or commiting a crime it becomes bad!
19:34:18 <Halcyon> True
19:34:26 <Halcyon> I'll come and arrest yo ass :P
19:34:41 <Halcyon> Unless you're outside Australia, then that makes it more difficult
19:35:16 <damian> well, moreso from an AustNet point of view, you can be a dick .. but harrassment is where we draw the line
19:35:19 <damian> we have a lot of dicks on here!
19:35:25 <Halcyon> True, true
19:35:41 <Halcyon> Every group has it's dicks
19:35:50 <damian> yup
20:25:56 <Halcyon> Time to prepare Laksa for dinner
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21:00:45 <T3sl4> :|
21:01:48 <T3sl4> i know aus animals are toxic but Aliens style melting through steel plate is a new one
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21:11:22 <T3sl4> https://imgur.com/gallery/e1ZF7Lz
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