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37:00 <Warren1984> hey Jen
37:00 <Warren1984> are you in the airport?
37:00 <anotherirc3r> hey Warren :)
37:00 <anotherirc3r> yup
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37:37 <Warren1984> hey Jen
37:46 <Warren1984> are you in the airport?
37:50 <anotherirc3r> hey Warren :)
37:53 <anotherirc3r> yup
38:00 <Warren1984> departure at 10:30pm
38:04 <Warren1984> departure at 10:30pm
39:00 <anotherirc3r> yeah
39:00 <anotherirc3r> just had some food
39:00 <anotherirc3r> forgot about eating lol
39:00 <Warren1984> waiting sucks hey
39:25 <anotherirc3r> yeah
39:30 <anotherirc3r> just had some food
39:42 <anotherirc3r> forgot about eating lol
40:02 <Warren1984> waiting sucks hey
42:00 <anotherirc3r> yeah but i can entertain myself
43:02 <anotherirc3r> yeah but i can entertain myself
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46:00 <wolframhart> Test
46:00 <Warren1984> do you leave your phone on in the plane?
46:00 <Warren1984> I do
46:54 <wolframhart> Test
47:00 <Warren1984> do you leave your phone on in the plane?
47:00 <anotherirc3r> i usually watch a movie
47:03 <Warren1984> I do
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47:30 <anotherirc3r> i usually watch a movie
49:00 <Warren1984> ahh thats right
49:00 <Warren1984> get hard and some other one
49:00 <anotherirc3r> yes!
49:00 <anotherirc3r> inside out
49:00 <Warren1984> I watched 3x family guy episodes
49:07 <Warren1984> ahh thats right
49:12 <Warren1984> get hard and some other one
49:17 <anotherirc3r> yes!
49:23 <anotherirc3r> inside out
49:28 <Warren1984> I watched 3x family guy episodes
50:00 <anotherirc3r> oh, good idea!
50:05 <anotherirc3r> oh, good idea!
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17:00 <circle> niggers
17:55 <circle> niggers
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23:00 <anotherirc3r> awww.. no entertainment system
23:00 <Tigger_> morning all
23:43 <anotherirc3r> awww.. no entertainment system
23:55 <Tigger_> morning all
24:00 <anotherirc3r> Tigger!
24:00 <Tigger_> hey jen
24:00 <anotherirc3r> how's you?!
24:05 <anotherirc3r> Tigger!
24:39 <Tigger_> hey jen
24:59 <anotherirc3r> how's you?!
25:00 <Tigger_> just woke up
25:00 <Tigger_> are you at the airport?
25:00 <anotherirc3r> yup
25:00 <Tigger_> wow
25:00 <Tigger_> you must try and irc from the air
25:00 <Tigger_> a first for #pd
25:00 <anotherirc3r> haha i may
25:04 <Tigger_> just woke up
25:13 <Tigger_> are you at the airport?
25:20 <anotherirc3r> yup
25:25 <Tigger_> wow
25:44 <Tigger_> you must try and irc from the air
25:51 <Tigger_> a first for #pd
25:57 <anotherirc3r> haha i may
26:00 <anotherirc3r> there is no entertainment system!
26:00 <Tigger_> was there one on the way over?
26:00 <anotherirc3r> yes!
26:00 <Tigger_> what did they have?
26:00 <anotherirc3r> feeling let down lol
26:00 <anotherirc3r> i watched Get Hard and Inside Out on the way
26:05 <anotherirc3r> there is no entertainment system!
26:16 <Tigger_> was there one on the way over?
26:23 <anotherirc3r> yes!
26:29 <Tigger_> what did they have?
26:30 <anotherirc3r> feeling let down lol
26:50 <anotherirc3r> i watched Get Hard and Inside Out on the way
27:00 <Tigger_> sounds bad
27:13 <Tigger_> sounds bad
28:00 <Tigger_> were many people using ipads or Nintendo DS's, etc?
28:00 <anotherirc3r> just about everyone lol
28:00 <Tigger_> smart
28:30 <Tigger_> were many people using ipads or Nintendo DS's, etc?
28:46 <anotherirc3r> just about everyone lol
28:59 <Tigger_> smart
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31:00 <Tigger_> wb
31:00 <Tigger_> how long till your plane boards?
31:00 <anotherirc3r> thanks :)
31:00 <anotherirc3r> boarding now
31:16 <Tigger_> wb
31:36 <Tigger_> how long till your plane boards?
31:38 <anotherirc3r> thanks :)
31:50 <anotherirc3r> boarding now
32:00 <Tigger_> oh
32:00 <Warren1984> have a safe trip
32:00 <Tigger_> I'm surprised they didn't yell at you to put the phone away
32:00 <Warren1984> nite all
32:00 <Tigger_> I wonder if anyone on the ISS has ever gone on irc
32:07 <Tigger_> oh
32:20 <Warren1984> have a safe trip
32:23 <Tigger_> I'm surprised they didn't yell at you to put the phone away
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32:37 <Warren1984> nite all
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32:55 <Tigger_> I wonder if anyone on the ISS has ever gone on irc
33:00 <anotherirc3r> haha
33:18 <anotherirc3r> haha
37:00 <Tigger_> I have a very personal question to ask
37:00 <Tigger_> are you flying economy?
37:10 <Tigger_> I have a very personal question to ask
37:56 <Tigger_> are you flying economy?
38:00 <anotherirc3r> haha yes
38:33 <anotherirc3r> haha yes
39:00 <Tigger_> how much is it?
39:23 <Tigger_> how much is it?
40:00 <anotherirc3r> it was $321 return
40:38 <anotherirc3r> it was $321 return
41:00 <Tigger_> that's pretty cheap
41:00 <Tigger_> I guess it would cost way more to drive
41:10 <Tigger_> that's pretty cheap
41:44 <Tigger_> I guess it would cost way more to drive
42:00 <anotherirc3r> definitely
42:00 <anotherirc3r> i went through an agency
42:13 <anotherirc3r> definitely
42:21 <anotherirc3r> i went through an agency
43:00 <Tigger_> they could get a better deal than you'd be able to find yourself?
43:00 <anotherirc3r> yup
43:00 <anotherirc3r> they're called smartfares
43:29 <Tigger_> they could get a better deal than you'd be able to find yourself?
43:38 <anotherirc3r> yup
43:49 <anotherirc3r> they're called smartfares
44:00 <Tigger_> I will have to take note of that
44:00 <anotherirc3r> you know what i don't get? why have a window seat and not look out the window?!?!
44:00 <anotherirc3r> i will steal the window seat lol
44:00 <Tigger_> is the window seat empty?
44:07 <Tigger_> I will have to take note of that
44:30 <anotherirc3r> you know what i don't get? why have a window seat and not look out the window?!?!
44:36 <anotherirc3r> i will steal the window seat lol
44:51 <Tigger_> is the window seat empty?
45:00 <Tigger_> there can't be much to see at this time though?
45:00 <anotherirc3r> no, it's not empty unfortunately
45:00 <anotherirc3r> true but there are lights and the cities are pretty
45:08 <Tigger_> there can't be much to see at this time though?
45:47 <anotherirc3r> no, it's not empty unfortunately
45:55 <anotherirc3r> true but there are lights and the cities are pretty
46:00 <Tigger_> I remember one night flight I was on where the moon seemed to be beneath us, which didn't make any sense, as it meant that the plane had to be flying upside down
46:56 <Tigger_> I remember one night flight I was on where the moon seemed to be beneath us, which didn't make any sense, as it meant that the plane had to be flying upside down
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27:00 <doctor> could just be the moon was perpendicular to the earth while you were on the other axis
27:20 <doctor> could just be the moon was perpendicular to the earth while you were on the other axis
34:00 <Tigger_> it definitely was, but it was a disorienting sensation
34:28 <Tigger_> it definitely was, but it was a disorienting sensation
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48:46 <circle> g'day Tigger_
48:58 <Tigger_> hi circle
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46:27 <anotherirc3r> anyone who can sleep on a plane is damned lucky
49:22 <anotherirc3r> also, moron with the loud music.. i hate you
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34:00 <Lish> i already lost $10 
34:00 <Lish> how annoying
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34:34 <Lish> i already lost $10
34:37 <Lish> how annoying
35:00 <Ozone> how come
35:00 <Lish> betting on dud horses
35:00 <Ozone> haha
35:22 <Ozone> how come
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35:34 <Lish> betting on dud horses
35:56 <Ozone> haha
36:00 <Lish> loving the public holiday 
36:00 <Lish> its nice to have tuesday off 
36:00 <Lish> should be a regular thing lol
36:00 <Tigger_> hi Ozone, Lish 
36:00 <Lish> hey Tigger_ 
36:47 <Lish> loving the public holiday
36:52 <Lish> its nice to have tuesday off
36:58 <Lish> should be a regular thing lol
36:59 <Tigger_> hi Ozone, Lish
37:00 <Tigger_> oh your horse race is today?
37:00 <Lish> yeah
37:00 <Lish> melbourne cup!
37:00 <Ozone> hi
37:00 <Tigger_> is it always on a Tuesday?
37:03 <Lish> hey Tigger_
37:14 <Tigger_> oh your horse race is today?
37:19 <Lish> yeah
37:23 <Lish> melbourne cup!
37:24 <Ozone> hi
37:55 <Tigger_> is it always on a Tuesday?
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48:00 <Tigger_> wb
48:11 <Tigger_> wb
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04:00 <Mx_Trump> loloolloollllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll
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04:31 <Mx_Trump> loloolloollllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll
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05:00 <Tigger_> weird
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05:54 <Tigger_> weird
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06:00 <Tigger_> just missed lish
06:00 <Mx_Trump> imac lolllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll
06:13 <Tigger_> just missed lish
06:23 <Mx_Trump> imac lolllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll
07:00 <Tigger_> it is odd
07:00 <Tigger_> probably first time it has been turned on this year
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07:34 <Tigger_> it is odd
07:45 <Tigger_> probably first time it has been turned on this year
08:00 <shugenja> he Tigg
08:00 <shugenja> hey
08:00 <Mx_Trump> its not meant to be turned on, its just a fashion accessory when people come over to visit
08:00 <Mx_Trump> the convo would go 'oh wow youve got an imac, oh they sooooooooo much better than windows, i used to use windows but now i only use apple' 'oh me too its the best'
08:00 <Tigger_> hi shugenja 
08:08 <shugenja> he Tigg
08:11 <shugenja> hey
08:22 <Mx_Trump> its not meant to be turned on, its just a fashion accessory when people come over to visit
08:48 <Mx_Trump> the convo would go 'oh wow youve got an imac, oh they sooooooooo much better than windows, i used to use windows but now i only use apple' 'oh me too its the best'
08:59 <Tigger_> hi shugenja
09:00 <Tigger_> lol
09:09 <Tigger_> lol
13:00 <Tigger_> I can't think of too many benefits of a mac other than fashion, but quite a lot of drawbacks
13:29 <Tigger_> I can't think of too many benefits of a mac other than fashion, but quite a lot of drawbacks
16:00 <Abortion> It is well integrated, but inflexible. Good for people who have no intent to use it outside of the common usage scenarios
17:00 <Tigger_> I've heard a saying about Macs, "Either easy or impossible."
17:01 <Abortion> It is well integrated, but inflexible. Good for people who have no intent to use it outside of the common usage scenarios
18:05 <Tigger_> I've heard a saying about Macs, "Either easy or impossible."
19:00 <Mx_Trump> mac users are so happy that nothing ever goes wrong, thats because there are only a few things you can do on it
19:31 <Mx_Trump> mac users are so happy that nothing ever goes wrong, thats because there are only a few things you can do on it
23:00 <Mx_Trump> apple will be fucked when you dont have to upgrade a phone every second year
23:00 <Mx_Trump> like how you dont have to with pc's anymore
23:50 <Mx_Trump> apple will be fucked when you dont have to upgrade a phone every second year
23:56 <Mx_Trump> like how you dont have to with pc's anymore
24:00 <Tigger_> iPad sales had dived, which is why they brought out the much bigger iPad pro
24:00 <Tigger_> but all tablet sales have dived, Android too
24:50 <Tigger_> iPad sales had dived, which is why they brought out the much bigger iPad pro
25:00 <Tigger_> but all tablet sales have dived, Android too
25:00 <Mx_Trump> i think ipads were always going to be a pretty small market though
25:00 <Mx_Trump> 60% of their sales come from phones
25:18 <Mx_Trump> i think ipads were always going to be a pretty small market though
25:26 <Mx_Trump> 60% of their sales come from phones
26:00 <Tigger_> yes, but the novelty of tablets has worn off
26:00 <Tigger_> and the Apple Watch will never amount to much
26:00 <Mx_Trump> and most businesses prefer the surface pro if they want to go for that style
26:13 <Tigger_> yes, but the novelty of tablets has worn off
26:26 <Tigger_> and the Apple Watch will never amount to much
27:01 <Mx_Trump> and most businesses prefer the surface pro if they want to go for that style
28:00 <Tigger_> iOS has some quirks that make it difficult for business, such as files are locked to a specific app, so if a file had to be edited or otherwise handled by two or more apps, there's no obvious way to do it
28:00 <Tigger_> it's quite bizarre, I can't understand the logic behind it
28:00 <Mx_Trump> they are designed by retards
28:00 <Mx_Trump> sorry for retards
28:24 <Tigger_> iOS has some quirks that make it difficult for business, such as files are locked to a specific app, so if a file had to be edited or otherwise handled by two or more apps, there's no obvious way to do it
28:51 <Tigger_> it's quite bizarre, I can't understand the logic behind it
29:00 <Tigger_> yes, for retards
29:00 <Mx_Trump> and you feel rich showing off your apple product trying to show you have money
29:00 <Tigger_> I wish lish was here to see all this
29:01 <Mx_Trump> they are designed by retards
29:07 <Mx_Trump> sorry for retards
29:32 <Tigger_> yes, for retards
29:42 <Mx_Trump> and you feel rich showing off your apple product trying to show you have money
29:59 <Tigger_> I wish lish was here to see all this
30:00 <Mx_Trump> have to show her the logs
30:00 <Mx_Trump> so she can get educated
30:00 <Mx_Trump> but she feels like shes part of the 'apple club' so she wouldnt take much notice anyway
30:30 <Mx_Trump> have to show her the logs
30:35 <Mx_Trump> so she can get educated
31:00 <Mx_Trump> but she feels like shes part of the 'apple club' so she wouldnt take much notice anyway
31:00 <Abortion> Well Jewelery does this too, as well as clothes
31:00 <Abortion> cars as well
31:00 <Abortion> all this stuff does
31:00 <Mx_Trump> thats all an apple phone is, a pieceof jewelery
31:00 <Abortion> I think, pick the most obvious symbol of wealth and do away with the rest
31:00 <Mx_Trump> although if they were the same price, i would probably get an iphone over android
31:09 <Abortion> Well Jewelery does this too, as well as clothes
31:18 <Abortion> cars as well
31:23 <Abortion> all this stuff does
31:33 <Mx_Trump> thats all an apple phone is, a pieceof jewelery
31:47 <Abortion> I think, pick the most obvious symbol of wealth and do away with the rest
32:00 <Abortion> Guy comes into channel and boasts about all the stolen clothes he has bought, I'm thinking, its all worthless shit
32:00 <Tigger_> a classic veblen good like jewellery or clothes doesn't usually pretend to be anything other than what it is, just to say "I'm richer and better than you are"
32:00 <Abortion> A single car would cost more than all of it combined
32:00 <Mx_Trump> the difference with a nice car is that it is actually a nice car compared to a cheap one
32:03 <Mx_Trump> although if they were the same price, i would probably get an iphone over android
32:11 <Abortion> Guy comes into channel and boasts about all the stolen clothes he has bought, I'm thinking, its all worthless shit
32:35 <Tigger_> a classic veblen good like jewellery or clothes doesn't usually pretend to be anything other than what it is, just to say "I'm richer and better than you are"
32:46 <Abortion> A single car would cost more than all of it combined
33:00 <Tigger_> expensive cars are justified by quality though
33:00 <Mx_Trump> in that its faster and more luxurous
33:00 <Abortion> and overall a more effective symbol
33:00 <Abortion> due to the price class
33:06 <Mx_Trump> the difference with a nice car is that it is actually a nice car compared to a cheap one
33:15 <Tigger_> expensive cars are justified by quality though
33:16 <Mx_Trump> in that its faster and more luxurous
33:34 <Abortion> and overall a more effective symbol
33:39 <Abortion> due to the price class
34:00 <Abortion> Another measure used to indicate social status is proof of work
34:00 <Abortion> such as an elaborate hairdo
34:00 <Abortion> which could have been done by the person itself
34:00 <Tigger_> it would be lost on me
34:00 <Tigger_> not that I'd be the intended audience
34:21 <Abortion> Another measure used to indicate social status is proof of work
34:27 <Abortion> such as an elaborate hairdo
34:34 <Abortion> which could have been done by the person itself
34:45 <Tigger_> it would be lost on me
35:00 <Tigger_> not that I'd be the intended audience
36:00 <Mx_Trump> it used to be a watch
36:00 <Mx_Trump> but now its a phone
36:37 <Mx_Trump> it used to be a watch
36:42 <Mx_Trump> but now its a phone
37:00 <Abortion> Watches still wash better with the old school crowd
37:00 <Tigger_> wear Google Glass to impress everyone
37:29 <Abortion> Watches still wash better with the old school crowd
38:00 <Abortion> lol
38:00 <Mx_Trump> everyone gets the same cheap TAG watch, now everyone gets the same iphone
38:00 <Abortion> If you really wanted to show off with a phone, this http://www.vertu.com/au/en/collections/signature-touch/
38:00 <progressive> [ The New Signature Touch | Mobile Phone Collections | Vertu ] - www.vertu.com
38:05 <Tigger_> wear Google Glass to impress everyone
38:10 <Abortion> lol
38:37 <Mx_Trump> everyone gets the same cheap TAG watch, now everyone gets the same iphone
38:49 <Abortion> If you really wanted to show off with a phone, this http://www.vertu.com/au/en/collections/signature-touch/
38:51 <progressive> [ The New Signature Touch | Mobile Phone Collections | Vertu ] - www.vertu.com
39:00 <Abortion> My uncle tells me it gets advertised on billboards in large international hub airports
39:45 <Abortion> My uncle tells me it gets advertised on billboards in large international hub airports
40:00 <Abortion> I guess when you're constantly jetsetting, cars are not useful, in either usage or as a symbol
40:44 <Abortion> I guess when you're constantly jetsetting, cars are not useful, in either usage or as a symbol
41:00 <Mx_Trump> all the losers with their iphones stand around talking about how good they are and how they are going home to watch netflix
41:00 <Abortion> Potentially you could get a fake key for a fancy car for a keyring or something lol
41:47 <Mx_Trump> all the losers with their iphones stand around talking about how good they are and how they are going home to watch netflix
42:00 <Tigger_> these are iphone cases?
42:00 <Abortion> even the most expensive cars have keyfobs which are mostly plastic
42:00 <Abortion> No, actual phones
42:00 <Abortion> I think they start at 10,000USD or something
42:01 <Abortion> Potentially you could get a fake key for a fancy car for a keyring or something lol
42:36 <Tigger_> these are iphone cases?
42:38 <Abortion> even the most expensive cars have keyfobs which are mostly plastic
42:50 <Abortion> No, actual phones
43:00 <Abortion> partially because it comes with a year of some concierge service or something
43:00 <Tigger_> oh they're just Android phones
43:00 <Abortion> yes
43:00 <Abortion> they're basically Snapdragon platform
43:00 <Abortion> so in terms of being an android, not that interesting
43:01 <Abortion> I think they start at 10,000USD or something
43:16 <Abortion> partially because it comes with a year of some concierge service or something
43:28 <Tigger_> oh they're just Android phones
43:35 <Abortion> yes
43:45 <Abortion> they're basically Snapdragon platform
43:51 <Abortion> so in terms of being an android, not that interesting
44:00 <Tigger_> $10,000 US to run freemium games
44:00 <Abortion> hah
44:00 <Abortion> rich people get bored too :P
44:00 <Mx_Trump> the iphone krew would still look down on you if you had that phone
44:23 <Tigger_> $10,000 US to run freemium games
44:43 <Abortion> hah
44:51 <Abortion> rich people get bored too :P
45:00 <Tigger_> I'm afraid so
45:00 <Abortion> haha
45:00 <Mx_Trump> so would android users though, everyone would
45:00 <Tigger_> I'd look down on anyone who had that phone
45:04 <Mx_Trump> the iphone krew would still look down on you if you had that phone
45:40 <Tigger_> I'm afraid so
45:58 <Abortion> haha
45:59 <Mx_Trump> so would android users though, everyone would
46:00 <Tigger_> I'd look down on anyone who had that phone
46:00 <Abortion> Anyone who doesn't read status symbols would
46:00 <Abortion> its massively overpriced
46:00 <Abortion> It is like people who modify their cars use the slogan "made not bought"
46:20 <Abortion> Anyone who doesn't read status symbols would
46:24 <Abortion> its massively overpriced
46:43 <Abortion> It is like people who modify their cars use the slogan "made not bought"
47:00 <Tigger_> sometimes it costs a lot of money to look stupid
47:00 <Tigger_> I wouldn't look down on someone who had a $100 Chinese brand Android phone, I'd just assume they don't care much about that sort of thing, but I'd definitely look down on someone who had that phone
47:11 <Tigger_> sometimes it costs a lot of money to look stupid
47:53 <Tigger_> I wouldn't look down on someone who had a $100 Chinese brand Android phone, I'd just assume they don't care much about that sort of thing, but I'd definitely look down on someone who had that phone
48:00 <Abortion> If it was that alone, maybe, but if they had other symbols of wealth, you might actually be envious
48:00 <Abortion> someone who has enough money to spend with abandon
48:35 <Abortion> If it was that alone, maybe, but if they had other symbols of wealth, you might actually be envious
48:47 <Abortion> someone who has enough money to spend with abandon
49:00 <Tigger_> that is the signal that they're aiming to emit, but that doesn't impress my Scottish disposition at all
49:00 <Abortion> If it were somoene who saved up just to get that, it
49:00 <Abortion> 'd be a sign of great foolishness
49:13 <Tigger_> that is the signal that they're aiming to emit, but that doesn't impress my Scottish disposition at all
49:23 <Abortion> If it were somoene who saved up just to get that, it
49:28 <Abortion> 'd be a sign of great foolishness
50:00 <Mx_Trump> the biggest reach is with houses, rather than getting one you can afford people overspend mainly to impress their friends
50:00 <Tigger_> I'm more envious of what bargains someone might've gotten
50:00 <Abortion> If they spent a lot of time hunting bargains for relatively little gain, I wouldn't be
50:10 <Mx_Trump> the biggest reach is with houses, rather than getting one you can afford people overspend mainly to impress their friends
50:15 <Tigger_> I'm more envious of what bargains someone might've gotten
50:55 <Abortion> If they spent a lot of time hunting bargains for relatively little gain, I wouldn't be
51:00 <Tigger_> they can do that with houses, though in an era of easy credit, I wonder about their true financial situation
51:00 <Mx_Trump> i would rather buy a $200 phone that works as well as a sexy iphone that costs $999
51:00 <Abortion> The difference between getting a slab of meat for half price to a business liquidating their assets
51:21 <Tigger_> they can do that with houses, though in an era of easy credit, I wonder about their true financial situation
51:22 <Mx_Trump> i would rather buy a $200 phone that works as well as a sexy iphone that costs $999
51:43 <Abortion> The difference between getting a slab of meat for half price to a business liquidating their assets
52:00 <Mx_Trump> no change in interest rates today
52:45 <Mx_Trump> no change in interest rates today
57:00 <Tigger_> with veblen goods, they don't work unless the bearer has good taste, money plus bad taste is a prole signal, the way lotto winners spend it all on stupid things
57:00 <Abortion> what is taste though?
57:20 <Tigger_> with veblen goods, they don't work unless the bearer has good taste, money plus bad taste is a prole signal, the way lotto winners spend it all on stupid things
57:40 <Abortion> what is taste though?
58:00 <Tigger_> it's hard to define, but you know it when you see it
58:00 <Tigger_> or you should do
58:00 <Abortion> thats the thing, I don't think it is that simple
58:00 <Abortion> thats the call of common sense
58:00 <Tigger_> such as wearing a Rolex is a sure sign of being a prole
58:32 <Tigger_> it's hard to define, but you know it when you see it
58:35 <Tigger_> or you should do
58:45 <Abortion> thats the thing, I don't think it is that simple
58:50 <Abortion> thats the call of common sense
58:52 <Tigger_> such as wearing a Rolex is a sure sign of being a prole
59:00 <Abortion> only since fake ones became common
59:28 <Abortion> only since fake ones became common
00:00 <Tigger_> a successful veblen good has to be something that proles simply wouldn't know about, so they can't even aspire to it
00:20 <Tigger_> a successful veblen good has to be something that proles simply wouldn't know about, so they can't even aspire to it
01:00 <Abortion> The internet is going to make that pretty difficult
01:00 <Abortion> I guess that means the definition would change from know to understand
01:29 <Abortion> The internet is going to make that pretty difficult
01:54 <Abortion> I guess that means the definition would change from know to understand
02:00 <Abortion> such as, as you've talked about before, large scale charity
02:00 <Tigger_> starting a charitable foundation is an excellent veblen good
02:09 <Abortion> such as, as you've talked about before, large scale charity
03:00 <Tigger_> another good one is funding a building on a university campus, and having it named after yourself
03:00 <Abortion> which everyone knows about
03:00 <Abortion> but proles don't understand the concept of charity as a symbol of status
03:01 <Tigger_> starting a charitable foundation is an excellent veblen good
03:47 <Tigger_> another good one is funding a building on a university campus, and having it named after yourself
03:51 <Abortion> which everyone knows about
04:00 <Tigger_> universities are good as they have status already built in
04:00 <Mx_Trump> people who start foundations or get buildings named after themselves are usually ego maniacs
04:00 <Tigger_> from low ranking universities to high ranking ones
04:00 <Abortion> so in the climate of mass information availability, veblen goods would have to become increasingly escoteric
04:03 <Abortion> but proles don't understand the concept of charity as a symbol of status
04:28 <Tigger_> universities are good as they have status already built in
04:36 <Mx_Trump> people who start foundations or get buildings named after themselves are usually ego maniacs
04:46 <Tigger_> from low ranking universities to high ranking ones
04:58 <Abortion> so in the climate of mass information availability, veblen goods would have to become increasingly escoteric
08:00 <Tigger_> a classic esoteric veblen good is to have a menagerie, and include exotic animals like llamas or a barbary sheep, and so on.  this accounts for much of the global blackmarket in live trade of protected species
08:39 <Tigger_> a classic esoteric veblen good is to have a menagerie, and include exotic animals like llamas or a barbary sheep, and so on. this accounts for much of the global blackmarket in live trade of protected species
11:00 <Mx_Trump> it would be good at a party 'what work do you do?' 'well i dont work anymore, however i spend most of my time running the charitable foundation i founded a few years ago'
11:00 <Abortion> Ah I see, as they require constant maintenence
11:00 <Abortion> difficult for people to see themselves with an unneccessary burden
11:00 <Abortion> so the understanding aspect is fulfiled
11:18 <Mx_Trump> it would be good at a party 'what work do you do?' 'well i dont work anymore, however i spend most of my time running the charitable foundation i founded a few years ago'
11:30 <Abortion> Ah I see, as they require constant maintenence
11:46 <Abortion> difficult for people to see themselves with an unneccessary burden
11:52 <Abortion> so the understanding aspect is fulfiled
12:00 <Abortion> it also goes some way to explain the criminal aspect, which also requires vigilence
12:56 <Abortion> it also goes some way to explain the criminal aspect, which also requires vigilence
13:00 <Mx_Trump> i dunno, ive found most criminals are generally bogans and best to avoid
13:00 <Abortion> I mean the criminal aspect with owning protected species
13:28 <Mx_Trump> i dunno, ive found most criminals are generally bogans and best to avoid
13:47 <Abortion> I mean the criminal aspect with owning protected species
14:00 <Mx_Trump> yeah so if someone said they had exotic animals id think they were a crim
14:19 <Mx_Trump> yeah so if someone said they had exotic animals id think they were a crim
18:00 <Tigger_> a more low level, and average way to identify prole consumer items are if the product is endorsed by a celebrity chef, such as if someone has a Jamie Oliver cheese grater and other such things, definitely prole
18:17 <Tigger_> a more low level, and average way to identify prole consumer items are if the product is endorsed by a celebrity chef, such as if someone has a Jamie Oliver cheese grater and other such things, definitely prole
19:00 <Mx_Trump> woolies were running a jamie oliver promotion and all the suppliers were pissed off woolies made them pay the extra costs
19:00 <Tigger_> the prole thinks that celebrity has rubbed off on the cheese grater, as if Jamie Oliver personally designed or oversaw production, when all that happened is that his agent licensed his name for a fee
19:00 <Abortion> I think you mean celebrities generally
19:14 <Mx_Trump> woolies were running a jamie oliver promotion and all the suppliers were pissed off woolies made them pay the extra costs
19:46 <Tigger_> the prole thinks that celebrity has rubbed off on the cheese grater, as if Jamie Oliver personally designed or oversaw production, when all that happened is that his agent licensed his name for a fee
19:52 <Abortion> I think you mean celebrities generally
20:00 <Abortion> actually hmm
20:00 <Abortion> celebrities in the entertainment industry
20:00 <Abortion> man I'm watching bitcoin at the moment, Just saw a bear jump out the window
20:23 <Abortion> actually hmm
20:32 <Abortion> celebrities in the entertainment industry
21:00 <Tigger_> off the top of my head I can't think what other goods are actually branded with the celebrity's name
21:00 <Mx_Trump> health shakes
21:00 <Tigger_> don't you mean bull?
21:00 <Abortion> No, the bull climbs up the stairs and the bear jumps out the window
21:02 <Abortion> man I'm watching bitcoin at the moment, Just saw a bear jump out the window
21:08 <Tigger_> off the top of my head I can't think what other goods are actually branded with the celebrity's name
21:27 <Mx_Trump> health shakes
21:45 <Tigger_> don't you mean bull?
22:00 <Tigger_> as in bull market, since BTC is rising
22:00 <Abortion> its overall bullish, but I just saw a spike in sales and orders in the sell get quickly fulfilled
22:00 <Tigger_> ah ok
22:00 <Abortion> I'm looking at minutely data
22:00 <Abortion> but yes, having increase 50% in the last 30 days, its bull
22:01 <Abortion> No, the bull climbs up the stairs and the bear jumps out the window
22:14 <Tigger_> as in bull market, since BTC is rising
22:20 <Abortion> its overall bullish, but I just saw a spike in sales and orders in the sell get quickly fulfilled
22:31 <Tigger_> ah ok
22:35 <Abortion> I'm looking at minutely data
22:52 <Abortion> but yes, having increase 50% in the last 30 days, its bull
23:00 <Abortion> Never thought trade charts could be so riveting
23:00 <Abortion> this one is well coded
23:43 <Abortion> Never thought trade charts could be so riveting
23:46 <Abortion> this one is well coded
24:00 <Abortion> there is a large number of buy orders at 379 USD which is creating a ceiling at the moment
24:53 <Abortion> there is a large number of buy orders at 379 USD which is creating a ceiling at the moment
25:00 <Mx_Trump> wouldnt sell orders create a ceiling?
25:00 <Abortion> at least, on bitfinex
25:00 <Abortion> I
25:30 <Mx_Trump> wouldnt sell orders create a ceiling?
25:41 <Abortion> at least, on bitfinex
26:00 <Abortion> I'm looking at https://bitcoinwisdom.com/markets/bitfinex/btcusd
26:00 <progressive> [ Bitfinex BTC/USD Charts - BitcoinWisdom ] - bitcoinwisdom.com
26:00 <Tigger_> I've never mined BTC, so I don't particularly care about the price fluctuations, I see the main value of BTC as a means to bypass the conventional financial system for the odd transaction here and there
26:00 <Abortion> in minutely, you can see for a couple of minutes where the price hits the top
26:00 <Tigger_> yes
26:00 <Abortion> at around 15 minutes ago
26:00 <Abortion> Yeah, I've never had or owned any
26:04 <Abortion> I
26:09 <Abortion> I'm looking at https://bitcoinwisdom.com/markets/bitfinex/btcusd
26:10 <progressive> [ Bitfinex BTC/USD Charts - BitcoinWisdom ] - bitcoinwisdom.com
26:19 <Tigger_> I've never mined BTC, so I don't particularly care about the price fluctuations, I see the main value of BTC as a means to bypass the conventional financial system for the odd transaction here and there
26:29 <Abortion> in minutely, you can see for a couple of minutes where the price hits the top
26:45 <Tigger_> yes
26:47 <Abortion> at around 15 minutes ago
27:00 <Abortion> I'm watching mostly because its a lot more variable than other commodities
27:00 <Abortion> hard to call it a currency when it fluctuates the way it does
27:00 <Abortion> Maybe I should find a chart with bitcoin vs gold
27:00 <Abortion> it'd probably be derived, because I don't think there is a direct path between them
27:02 <Abortion> Yeah, I've never had or owned any
27:20 <Abortion> I'm watching mostly because its a lot more variable than other commodities
27:30 <Abortion> hard to call it a currency when it fluctuates the way it does
27:40 <Abortion> Maybe I should find a chart with bitcoin vs gold
27:52 <Abortion> it'd probably be derived, because I don't think there is a direct path between them
28:00 <Mx_Trump> soya beans
28:00 <Tigger_> it fills the function of a currency, you buy however much BTC you need, then spend it the same day
28:00 <Abortion> I guess so
28:00 <Abortion> I definately see it as a good intermediary
28:00 <Abortion> but it still isn't stable enough for currency you save
28:08 <Mx_Trump> soya beans
28:10 <Tigger_> it fills the function of a currency, you buy however much BTC you need, then spend it the same day
28:39 <Abortion> I guess so
28:47 <Abortion> I definately see it as a good intermediary
28:56 <Abortion> but it still isn't stable enough for currency you save
29:00 <Tigger_> forex trading is unpredictable at the best of times, crypto is that a hundred fold
29:00 <Abortion> haha
29:47 <Tigger_> forex trading is unpredictable at the best of times, crypto is that a hundred fold
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30:00 <Abortion> yeah pretty much
30:00 <Abortion> given that bitcoin doesn't have a big basket of real goods it is tied to, it is subject to that
30:00 <Tigger_> I did mine Quark for a week or two, I should've traded out to BTC then, since it's only worth 10% or so of what it was then
30:00 <Mx_Trump> at least you know with forex your holdings might not go to $0
30:00 <Abortion> I did the same with riecoin
30:05 <Abortion> haha
30:08 <Abortion> yeah pretty much
30:44 <Abortion> given that bitcoin doesn't have a big basket of real goods it is tied to, it is subject to that
30:44 <Tigger_> I did mine Quark for a week or two, I should've traded out to BTC then, since it's only worth 10% or so of what it was then
30:47 <Mx_Trump> at least you know with forex your holdings might not go to $0
30:55 <Abortion> I did the same with riecoin
31:00 <Tigger_> I don't know riecoin
31:00 <Abortion> exactly
31:00 <Abortion> lots of alt coins go that way
31:00 <Mx_Trump> people trade forex with leverage anyway so the potential for large losses is still high
31:00 <Abortion> It was supposed to be an improvement of the primecoin system in accuracy
31:00 <Tigger_> they're just a proxy way to mine bitcoin
31:00 <Mx_Trump> you only need to put down 0.5% margin
31:08 <Tigger_> I don't know riecoin
31:16 <Abortion> exactly
31:23 <Abortion> lots of alt coins go that way
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31:33 <Mx_Trump> people trade forex with leverage anyway so the potential for large losses is still high
31:45 <Abortion> It was supposed to be an improvement of the primecoin system in accuracy
31:47 <Tigger_> they're just a proxy way to mine bitcoin
31:58 <Mx_Trump> you only need to put down 0.5% margin
32:00 <Abortion> They supposed that primecoin had too many false positives, and their algorithm was better at this prime cluster search or whatever
32:35 <Abortion> They supposed that primecoin had too many false positives, and their algorithm was better at this prime cluster search or whatever
33:00 <Tigger_> I do remember Primecoin from awhile back
33:00 <Tigger_> but with things like leveraged forex, complex trading instruments scare me, such as I don't understand CFDs at all, even though I've read a dozen different explanations, the main takeaway for me is that you can lose more than you have
33:00 <Abortion> yeah
33:07 <Tigger_> I do remember Primecoin from awhile back
33:46 <Tigger_> but with things like leveraged forex, complex trading instruments scare me, such as I don't understand CFDs at all, even though I've read a dozen different explanations, the main takeaway for me is that you can lose more than you have
33:59 <Abortion> yeah
34:00 <Mx_Trump> cfd's are very straight forward
34:00 <Abortion> a tool to bankrupt the unlucky and the lucky to essentially steal from banks through this mechanism
34:00 <Tigger_> Mx_Trump, explain to me
34:00 <Mx_Trump> if u think something will go up buy it, if u think it will go down sell it
34:33 <Mx_Trump> cfd's are very straight forward
34:36 <Abortion> a tool to bankrupt the unlucky and the lucky to essentially steal from banks through this mechanism
34:59 <Tigger_> Mx_Trump, explain to me
35:00 <Mx_Trump> if smething is 10% margin you only have to put down 10% deposit on the amount you want to control
35:00 <Mx_Trump> thats pretty much it
35:00 <Mx_Trump> pay interest daily
35:00 <Abortion> fuck
35:00 <Abortion> what sort of rate are we talking?
35:00 <Abortion> sounds like loan shark territory
35:01 <Mx_Trump> if u think something will go up buy it, if u think it will go down sell it
35:19 <Mx_Trump> if smething is 10% margin you only have to put down 10% deposit on the amount you want to control
35:30 <Mx_Trump> thats pretty much it
35:38 <Mx_Trump> pay interest daily
35:46 <Abortion> fuck
35:53 <Abortion> what sort of rate are we talking?
36:00 <Abortion> sounds like loan shark territory
36:00 <Mx_Trump> about 4% a year
36:00 <Abortion> oh
36:00 <Mx_Trump> so 4%/360 per day
36:00 <Abortion> thats actually very good
36:00 <Tigger_> with going long, you can hold it for as long as it takes to come good, and collect dividends along the way.  this I understand
36:00 <Mx_Trump> usually the bank bill rate plus 2-2.5%
36:00 <Abortion> well with compounding its not that simple division
36:00 <Abortion> but I forget what the formula is
36:00 <Abortion> well its better than home loan rates
36:14 <Mx_Trump> about 4% a year
36:16 <Abortion> oh
36:19 <Mx_Trump> so 4%/360 per day
36:20 <Abortion> thats actually very good
36:34 <Tigger_> with going long, you can hold it for as long as it takes to come good, and collect dividends along the way. this I understand
36:41 <Mx_Trump> usually the bank bill rate plus 2-2.5%
36:43 <Abortion> well with compounding its not that simple division
36:49 <Abortion> but I forget what the formula is
37:00 <Abortion> well its better than home loan rates
37:00 <Mx_Trump> yeah can hold it as long as you want, as opposed to options that have maturity dates
37:00 <Abortion> it'd be x^365 = 1.04
37:00 <Abortion> calculate for x
37:00 <Abortion> so
37:17 <Mx_Trump> yeah can hold it as long as you want, as opposed to options that have maturity dates
37:55 <Abortion> it'd be x^365 = 1.04
37:59 <Abortion> calculate for x
38:00 <Abortion> so the 365th root of 1.04
38:00 <Abortion> thank fuck for computers
38:00 <Abortion> no way I'd do that by hand
38:02 <Abortion> so
38:11 <Abortion> so the 365th root of 1.04
38:51 <Abortion> thank fuck for computers
38:54 <Abortion> no way I'd do that by hand
39:00 <Abortion> 0.0107% per day
40:01 <Abortion> 0.0107% per day
41:00 <Abortion> 4%/365 is 0.011%
41:00 <Abortion> so its kind of close I guess
41:40 <Abortion> 4%/365 is 0.011%
41:48 <Abortion> so its kind of close I guess
42:00 <Mx_Trump> you pay a small comission as well on each trade but its fuck all
42:00 <Mx_Trump> usually 0.1% or something
42:00 <Mx_Trump> standard
42:00 <Mx_Trump> or on the spread
42:37 <Mx_Trump> you pay a small comission as well on each trade but its fuck all
42:54 <Mx_Trump> usually 0.1% or something
42:58 <Mx_Trump> standard
43:00 <Abortion> compounded 0.011%/day = 4.08%
43:00 <Abortion> also, floating point errors notwithstanding
43:05 <Mx_Trump> or on the spread
43:11 <Abortion> compounded 0.011%/day = 4.08%
43:43 <Abortion> also, floating point errors notwithstanding
44:00 <Tigger_> it's also the magnified losses with gearing that scare me
44:24 <Tigger_> it's also the magnified losses with gearing that scare me
45:00 <Abortion> bleh
45:00 <Abortion> need a wider float
45:00 <Abortion> mobile calculator is feature rich but it uses system floats, making it 32 bit
45:00 <Abortion> well, it may be using doubles
45:00 <Abortion> but anyway
45:00 <Mx_Trump> you just work out how much exposure you want and place your trades based on that, not how much margin they are willing to give you
45:16 <Abortion> bleh
45:22 <Abortion> need a wider float
45:37 <Abortion> mobile calculator is feature rich but it uses system floats, making it 32 bit
45:52 <Abortion> well, it may be using doubles
45:54 <Abortion> but anyway
46:00 <Mx_Trump> so magnified losses is a non issue
46:03 <Mx_Trump> you just work out how much exposure you want and place your trades based on that, not how much margin they are willing to give you
46:26 <Mx_Trump> so magnified losses is a non issue
00:00 <ajnin> i think i need a nap
00:00 <ajnin> yea
00:00 <ajnin> fuck it 
00:00 <ajnin> nap time
00:42 <ajnin> i think i need a nap
00:50 <ajnin> yea
00:51 <ajnin> fuck it
00:53 <ajnin> nap time
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16:00 <Tigger_> wb Lish 
17:00 <Lish> Thanks
17:00 <Lish> What's happening 
17:03 <Tigger_> wb Lish
17:32 <Lish> Thanks
17:39 <Lish> What's happening
18:00 <Tigger_> it was decided that Apple products are designed for retards
18:00 <Lish> Oh 
18:00 <Lish> Who decided it
18:00 <Tigger_> Mx_Trump
18:00 <Lish> How did he come to this conclusion
18:21 <Tigger_> it was decided that Apple products are designed for retards
18:26 <Lish> Oh
18:29 <Lish> Who decided it
18:33 <Tigger_> Mx_Trump
18:44 <Lish> How did he come to this conclusion
19:00 <Tigger_> <Mx_Trump> mac users are so happy that nothing ever goes wrong, thats because there are only a few things you can do on it
19:00 <Tigger_> <Mx_Trump> apple will be fucked when you dont have to upgrade a phone every second year
19:00 <Tigger_> <Mx_Trump> like how you dont have to with pc's anymore
19:00 <Lish> Why wouldn't you upgrade your phone every couple of years 
19:00 <Lish> People do that with pcs 
19:00 <Lish> You do it
19:00 <Tigger_> <Mx_Trump> i think ipads were always going to be a pretty small market though
19:00 <Tigger_> <Mx_Trump> 60% of their sales come from phones
19:00 <Tigger_> <Tigger_> yes, but the novelty of tablets has worn off
19:00 <Tigger_> <Tigger_> and the Apple Watch will never amount to much
19:00 <Tigger_> <Mx_Trump> and most businesses prefer the surface pro if they want to go for that style
19:00 <Tigger_> <Tigger_> iOS has some quirks that make it difficult for business, such as files are locked to a specific app, so if a file had to be edited or otherwise handled by two or more apps, there's no obvious way to do it
19:00 <Tigger_> <Tigger_> it's quite bizarre, I can't understand the logic behind it
19:20 <Tigger_> <Mx_Trump> mac users are so happy that nothing ever goes wrong, thats because there are only a few things you can do on it
19:21 <Tigger_> <Mx_Trump> apple will be fucked when you dont have to upgrade a phone every second year
19:21 <Tigger_> <Mx_Trump> like how you dont have to with pc's anymore
19:42 <Lish> Why wouldn't you upgrade your phone every couple of years
19:45 <Lish> People do that with pcs
19:47 <Lish> You do it
19:59 <Tigger_> <Mx_Trump> i think ipads were always going to be a pretty small market though
20:00 <Tigger_> <Mx_Trump> 60% of their sales come from phones
20:00 <Tigger_> <Tigger_> yes, but the novelty of tablets has worn off
20:00 <Tigger_> <Tigger_> and the Apple Watch will never amount to much
20:00 <Tigger_> <Mx_Trump> they are designed by retards
20:00 <Tigger_> <Mx_Trump> sorry for retards
20:00 <Tigger_> <Tigger_> yes, for retards
20:00 <Tigger_> <Mx_Trump> and you feel rich showing off your apple product trying to show you have money
20:00 <Lish> Businesses that use Microsoft don't use surface
20:00 <Lish> They aren't those  types of business
20:00 <Lish> Any business using a touch device will use apple, because they're more suited to design etc. 
20:00 <Lish> Bretty is out of his depth
20:00 <Lish> He doesn't know what he's talking about lol
20:01 <Tigger_> <Mx_Trump> and most businesses prefer the surface pro if they want to go for that style
20:03 <Tigger_> <Tigger_> iOS has some quirks that make it difficult for business, such as files are locked to a specific app, so if a file had to be edited or otherwise handled by two or more apps, there's no obvious way to do it
20:06 <Tigger_> <Tigger_> it's quite bizarre, I can't understand the logic behind it
20:08 <Tigger_> <Mx_Trump> they are designed by retards
20:10 <Tigger_> <Mx_Trump> sorry for retards
20:12 <Tigger_> <Tigger_> yes, for retards
20:14 <Tigger_> <Mx_Trump> and you feel rich showing off your apple product trying to show you have money
20:21 <Lish> Businesses that use Microsoft don't use surface
20:33 <Lish> They aren't those types of business
20:49 <Lish> Any business using a touch device will use apple, because they're more suited to design etc.
20:54 <Lish> Bretty is out of his depth
21:00 <Lish> He doesn't know what he's talking about lol
21:00 <Mx_Trump> design?
21:00 <Lish> Pc or Mac, you'll upgrade that regularly
21:00 <Tigger_> the Surface has had some penetration into the enterprise space though
21:00 <Lish> Not much, it's a novelty 
21:00 <Mx_Trump> yeah i run the worlds biggest bank, i want all my staff to have an ipad to draw pretty picture
21:00 <Mx_Trump> s
21:13 <Mx_Trump> design?
21:13 <Lish> Pc or Mac, you'll upgrade that regularly
21:23 <Tigger_> the Surface has had some penetration into the enterprise space though
21:32 <Lish> Not much, it's a novelty
21:40 <Mx_Trump> yeah i run the worlds biggest bank, i want all my staff to have an ipad to draw pretty picture
21:40 <Mx_Trump> s
22:00 <Lish> Corporations like banks don't get much into those types of devices
22:00 <Lish> And you will find a lot of corporate enterprises using macs in their marketing/design decisions rather than pcs
22:00 <Mx_Trump> they have enough to dwarf some crappy little design company
22:00 <Lish> Especially when designing native apps and stuff like that 
22:10 <Lish> Corporations like banks don't get much into those types of devices
22:34 <Lish> And you will find a lot of corporate enterprises using macs in their marketing/design decisions rather than pcs
22:44 <Mx_Trump> they have enough to dwarf some crappy little design company
22:57 <Lish> Especially when designing native apps and stuff like that
23:00 <Tigger_> the CEO: "And I suppose our graphic design poofters want the latest Macs?"
23:00 <Lish> Yep 
23:00 <Lish> Anyway aren't you getting iPad pro tigger
23:00 <Tigger_> it's under consideration
23:00 <Mx_Trump> apple users always dumb you down with counter arguments
23:16 <Tigger_> the CEO: "And I suppose our graphic design poofters want the latest Macs?"
23:21 <Lish> Yep
23:34 <Lish> Anyway aren't you getting iPad pro tigger
23:51 <Tigger_> it's under consideration
23:59 <Mx_Trump> apple users always dumb you down with counter arguments
24:00 <Mx_Trump> you have to shrug your shoulders and realise its a lost cause
24:00 <Lish> I'm not for or against really, I use my Pc when I need to  do things better suited to a pic
24:00 <Lish> Pc
24:00 <Lish> And my Mac for more fun stuff
24:00 <Tigger_> but I just want a big comic reader with a deep colour screen, I'm not enterprise
24:00 <Lish> It's a valid argument, this is my space. I know more about it than you :) 
24:00 <Mx_Trump> your space lollllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll
24:09 <Mx_Trump> you have to shrug your shoulders and realise its a lost cause
24:30 <Lish> I'm not for or against really, I use my Pc when I need to do things better suited to a pic
24:32 <Lish> Pc
24:36 <Lish> And my Mac for more fun stuff
24:44 <Tigger_> but I just want a big comic reader with a deep colour screen, I'm not enterprise
24:48 <Lish> It's a valid argument, this is my space. I know more about it than you :)
25:00 <Lish> You keep talking about protein bars and calories
25:00 <Lish> The stuff your clients pay you for 
25:00 <Lish> Personal trainer thinking he knows about tech lol
25:00 <Mx_Trump> pe teacher
25:03 <Mx_Trump> your space lollllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll
25:13 <Lish> You keep talking about protein bars and calories
25:21 <Lish> The stuff your clients pay you for
25:35 <Lish> Personal trainer thinking he knows about tech lol
25:57 <Mx_Trump> pe teacher
26:00 <Lish> Right 
26:00 <Mx_Trump> apple users always reinforce each others arguments, in that they hear it so often it must be true
26:15 <Lish> Right
27:00 <Lish> lol
27:07 <Mx_Trump> apple users always reinforce each others arguments, in that they hear it so often it must be true
27:27 <Lish> lol
28:00 <Mx_Trump> its like an iphone user will always argue until they are blue in the face that it is far superior than android, however they have never used an android
28:10 <Mx_Trump> its like an iphone user will always argue until they are blue in the face that it is far superior than android, however they have never used an android
29:00 <Tigger_> I do think that the Surface could displace the iPad in business though, the MS software development tools are excellent, whereas Apple makes you jump through an insane number of hoops to do anything
29:00 <Tigger_> eventually developers are going to decide that Surface is better for more serious app development
29:16 <Tigger_> I do think that the Surface could displace the iPad in business though, the MS software development tools are excellent, whereas Apple makes you jump through an insane number of hoops to do anything
29:49 <Tigger_> eventually developers are going to decide that Surface is better for more serious app development
30:00 <Mx_Trump> the problem is that the same people wankign around with their iphones are the same ones that demand we only use ipads at work
30:00 <Lish> lol
30:00 <Lish> You use iPads at work? 
30:00 <Lish> What for?
30:24 <Mx_Trump> the problem is that the same people wankign around with their iphones are the same ones that demand we only use ipads at work
30:51 <Lish> lol
30:55 <Lish> You use iPads at work?
31:00 <Lish> What for?
33:00 <Mx_Trump> what
33:00 <Mx_Trump> i wouldnt work at a place that uses ipads
33:00 <Mx_Trump> out of principle
33:00 <Lish> lol
33:00 <Lish> Tablets then?
33:16 <Mx_Trump> what
33:21 <Mx_Trump> i wouldnt work at a place that uses ipads
33:25 <Mx_Trump> out of principle
33:48 <Lish> lol
33:55 <Lish> Tablets then?
34:00 <Mx_Trump> any tablet is fine as long as it's not apple
34:00 <Lish> Doesn't make sense 
34:00 <Tigger_> using the tablet to enter in how many laps run around the oval that you made the kid who didn't bring his sports uniform
34:16 <Mx_Trump> any tablet is fine as long as it's not apple
34:26 <Lish> Doesn't make sense
35:03 <Tigger_> using the tablet to enter in how many laps run around the oval that you made the kid who didn't bring his sports uniform
38:00 <Abortion> I noticed that my point about apple being well polished for specific common tasks and poor outside that envelope didn't get much of a mention
38:00 <Tigger_> because that is conceding ground to the enemy
38:32 <Abortion> I noticed that my point about apple being well polished for specific common tasks and poor outside that envelope didn't get much of a mention
39:00 <Abortion> Not really
39:00 <Abortion> Common tasks aren't all that glamorous
39:00 <Abortion> not the cutting edge
39:02 <Tigger_> because that is conceding ground to the enemy
39:12 <Abortion> Not really
39:25 <Abortion> Common tasks aren't all that glamorous
39:31 <Abortion> not the cutting edge
40:00 <Abortion> using it is essentially the concession that the user has limited knowledge of the field
40:00 <Mx_Trump> yes its a good point
40:00 <Mx_Trump> its like having an automatic car vs a manual
40:13 <Abortion> using it is essentially the concession that the user has limited knowledge of the field
40:37 <Mx_Trump> yes its a good point
40:45 <Mx_Trump> its like having an automatic car vs a manual
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41:00 <Tigger_> how hard is it to boot Windows and start an app?  I'm not sure how it could be easier
41:00 <Mx_Trump> that is a difficult task for the apple user 
41:18 <Tigger_> how hard is it to boot Windows and start an app? I'm not sure how it could be easier
42:00 <Lish> lol
42:00 <Mx_Trump> it's too 'complicated'
42:00 <Tigger_> lol
42:03 <Mx_Trump> that is a difficult task for the apple user
42:27 <Lish> lol
42:34 <Mx_Trump> it's too 'complicated'
42:44 <Tigger_> lol
44:00 <Abortion> you can't assess operating environments on single tasks, unless it is a task that failure to initiate is fatal
44:00 <Abortion> err not literally
44:00 <Abortion> I mean, ruins the overall package
44:00 <Abortion> ie "fatal flaw"
44:37 <Abortion> you can't assess operating environments on single tasks, unless it is a task that failure to initiate is fatal
44:38 <Abortion> err not literally
44:38 <Abortion> I mean, ruins the overall package
44:38 <Abortion> ie "fatal flaw"
44:51 <Glenn> Try installing a proggie called "Blue Stacks"... it's a PC/Android emulator that then allows you to download and install regular 'phone apps on your PC.
45:00 <Mx_Trump> ah yeah ive used that
45:00 <Mx_Trump> it was to stream something only available of mobile devices
45:00 <Abortion> I just installed native android x86
45:19 <Mx_Trump> ah yeah ive used that
45:46 <Mx_Trump> it was to stream something only available of mobile devices
46:00 <Mx_Trump> i had forgotten i installed it and thought it was a virus
46:00 <Abortion> Bluestacks isn't an option for me
46:00 <Abortion> Linux
46:06 <Abortion> I just installed native android x86
46:19 <Mx_Trump> i had forgotten i installed it and thought it was a virus
46:26 <Abortion> Bluestacks isn't an option for me
46:53 <Glenn> Mac?
47:00 <Tigger_> you could run it in Wine
47:00 <Abortion> um ok
47:00 <Abortion> orly?
47:00 <Abortion> though, I can't say that running a compatability layer in a compatability layer sounds particularly attractive
47:06 <Abortion> Linux
47:18 <Glenn> Serves you right! :P
47:28 <Tigger_> you could run it in Wine
47:38 <Abortion> um ok
47:42 <Abortion> orly?
48:00 <Tigger_> yes, run your Android app in Bluestacks, running in Wine, running on Linux
48:00 <Abortion> that is wine
48:00 <Abortion> well not emulator
48:00 <Abortion> but emulating whole machines is much better than it used to be
48:06 <Abortion> though, I can't say that running a compatability layer in a compatability layer sounds particularly attractive
48:09 <Tigger_> yes, run your Android app in Bluestacks, running in Wine, running on Linux
48:10 <Glenn> Wasn't there a PC emulator for Linux about once upon a time? You could then layer upon layer upon layer...
48:43 <Abortion> that is wine
48:50 <Abortion> well not emulator
48:58 <Abortion> but emulating whole machines is much better than it used to be
49:00 <Tigger_> VirtualBox and other VMs are available for Linux
49:00 <Abortion> now that CPUs are able to directly switch context into a virtual machine
49:00 <Abortion> the overheads are much lower
49:55 <Tigger_> VirtualBox and other VMs are available for Linux
50:00 <Abortion> That being said, graphical acceleration in virtual machines still has a lot of work to be done
50:00 <Tigger_> it sure does
50:06 <Abortion> now that CPUs are able to directly switch context into a virtual machine
50:06 <Abortion> the overheads are much lower
50:50 <Abortion> That being said, graphical acceleration in virtual machines still has a lot of work to be done
50:56 <Tigger_> it sure does
53:00 <Tigger_> I tried running the linux builds of my games in VirtualBox, but the virtualised GPU could not allocate enough ram, and I suspect wouldn't work anyway since the path to the graphics hardware is too abstracted
53:55 <Tigger_> I tried running the linux builds of my games in VirtualBox, but the virtualised GPU could not allocate enough ram, and I suspect wouldn't work anyway since the path to the graphics hardware is too abstracted
54:00 <Abortion> My solution seems to be, run multiple physical machines
54:00 <Abortion> I now have two desktops and a laptop
54:59 <Abortion> My solution seems to be, run multiple physical machines
55:00 <Abortion> as well as a pair of servers
55:05 <Abortion> I now have two desktops and a laptop
55:31 <Abortion> as well as a pair of servers
56:00 <Tigger_> yes, that works, but more inconvenient, since I have to get up
56:00 <Abortion> lol
56:20 <Tigger_> yes, that works, but more inconvenient, since I have to get up
56:40 <Abortion> lol
58:00 <Mx_Trump> that all started because lish's imac went to sleep
58:00 <Mx_Trump> so its her fault
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59:00 <Abortion> lol
59:00 <Abortion> In truth, I know a couple of developers who are at least as skilled as me who use macs
59:00 <Abortion> not iMacs those
59:00 <Abortion> *though
59:05 <Mx_Trump> that all started because lish's imac went to sleep
59:07 <Mx_Trump> so its her fault
59:29 <Abortion> lol
59:42 <Abortion> In truth, I know a couple of developers who are at least as skilled as me who use macs
00:00 <Tigger_> what languages and development environments do they use?
00:00 <Abortion> They can adapt to basically anything
00:00 <Tigger_> for iOS app development you are forced to use a mac
00:00 <Abortion> I haven't spoken to them recently so I don't know
00:00 <Abortion> nah
00:00 <Abortion> its not for iOS dev
00:00 <Tigger_> you need the mac for the xcode baking
00:05 <Abortion> not iMacs those
00:07 <Abortion> *though
00:15 <Tigger_> what languages and development environments do they use?
00:38 <Abortion> They can adapt to basically anything
00:43 <Tigger_> for iOS app development you are forced to use a mac
00:44 <Abortion> I haven't spoken to them recently so I don't know
00:47 <Abortion> nah
00:59 <Abortion> its not for iOS dev
01:00 <Abortion> I am aware
01:00 <Abortion> but no they have mac laptops
01:00 <Abortion> some of them work at google
01:00 <Abortion> some in serious sysadmin stuff
01:00 <Abortion> None of them have iMacs though
01:00 <Abortion> for desktops, they build like the rest of us sane people
01:04 <Tigger_> you need the mac for the xcode baking
01:13 <Abortion> I am aware
01:18 <Abortion> but no they have mac laptops
01:28 <Abortion> some of them work at google
01:42 <Abortion> some in serious sysadmin stuff
01:50 <Abortion> None of them have iMacs though
02:00 <Abortion> most of them also use boot camp
02:00 <Abortion> to get windows
02:00 <Abortion> and many also dual boot linux
02:00 <Tigger_> it could help to have *nix machine to develop for eventual *nix server deployment, so as not to mismatch paradigms
02:03 <Abortion> for desktops, they build like the rest of us sane people
02:29 <Abortion> most of them also use boot camp
02:32 <Abortion> to get windows
02:43 <Abortion> and many also dual boot linux
02:52 <Tigger_> it could help to have *nix machine to develop for eventual *nix server deployment, so as not to mismatch paradigms
03:00 <Abortion> One guy also is a serious electonics engineer
03:00 <Abortion> working with radio gear
03:00 <Abortion> You may know him as francis wheat
03:00 <Abortion> if anyone ever spotted that meme
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03:11 <Abortion> One guy also is a serious electonics engineer
03:40 <Abortion> working with radio gear
03:50 <Abortion> You may know him as francis wheat
03:56 <Abortion> if anyone ever spotted that meme
04:00 <Abortion> well, the photo anyway
04:00 <Tigger_> my general theory as to why programmers use Macs is that they're notoriously unfashionable people, and this is the one real opportunity in their lives to be fashionable, and it all comes prepackaged, they don't have to think about things, in contrast to if they tried to dress fashionably
04:00 <Abortion> No, Mac laptops are well designed. But as I mentioned they often try to get away from OS X
04:00 <Tigger_> no don't know him
04:00 <Abortion> oh well
04:17 <Abortion> well, the photo anyway
04:23 <Tigger_> my general theory as to why programmers use Macs is that they're notoriously unfashionable people, and this is the one real opportunity in their lives to be fashionable, and it all comes prepackaged, they don't have to think about things, in contrast to if they tried to dress fashionably
04:51 <Abortion> No, Mac laptops are well designed. But as I mentioned they often try to get away from OS X
04:58 <Tigger_> no don't know him
05:02 <Abortion> oh well
06:00 <Abortion> In general, Mac makes a good hardware package, does horrible firmware hacks and provides a shitty operating system
07:00 <Abortion> one again, only talking laptops here
07:00 <Abortion> when it comes to desktop, its all pointless
07:00 <Tigger_> it's harder to be fashionable with a desktop, you would have to bring the audience to the machine, rather than take the laptop to your audience
07:03 <Abortion> In general, Mac makes a good hardware package, does horrible firmware hacks and provides a shitty operating system
07:17 <Abortion> one again, only talking laptops here
07:30 <Abortion> when it comes to desktop, its all pointless
08:00 <Abortion> I am specifically talking build quality
08:02 <Tigger_> it's harder to be fashionable with a desktop, you would have to bring the audience to the machine, rather than take the laptop to your audience
08:24 <Abortion> I am specifically talking build quality
09:00 <Abortion> Completely ignoring the fashionable statement stuff
09:00 <Tigger_> the leading brands are all pretty good in terms of build quality though
09:00 <Abortion> None of them sell the volume to put in as much integration effort though
09:19 <Abortion> Completely ignoring the fashionable statement stuff
09:29 <Tigger_> the leading brands are all pretty good in terms of build quality though
09:49 <Abortion> None of them sell the volume to put in as much integration effort though
10:00 <Tigger_> integrating what sorts of things?
10:00 <Abortion> If it wasn't for horrible Mac firmware, I would get a mac laptop
10:00 <Abortion> Their motherboards are very well designes
10:00 <Abortion> *designed
10:00 <Abortion> typically quite small, allowing for more battery
10:14 <Tigger_> integrating what sorts of things?
10:17 <Abortion> If it wasn't for horrible Mac firmware, I would get a mac laptop
10:50 <Abortion> Their motherboards are very well designes
10:56 <Abortion> *designed
11:00 <Abortion> they've done a lot of work on their battery too, allowing for different sized cells to completely fill it
11:00 <Abortion> they do reasonable thermal management as well
11:00 <Abortion> So from a hardware and build perspective, its top of the class
11:00 <Abortion> but that firmware bullshit keeps me the hell away from it
11:00 <Tigger_> what are the firmware problems?
11:04 <Abortion> typically quite small, allowing for more battery
11:20 <Abortion> they've done a lot of work on their battery too, allowing for different sized cells to completely fill it
11:26 <Abortion> they do reasonable thermal management as well
11:38 <Abortion> So from a hardware and build perspective, its top of the class
11:47 <Abortion> but that firmware bullshit keeps me the hell away from it
11:57 <Tigger_> what are the firmware problems?
12:00 <Abortion> their EFI implementation is very hacky, and they use chipsets which are difficult to get drivers for. Back in the day, they also used a custom switching for their graphics between discrete and integrated which was technically inferior
12:54 <Abortion> their EFI implementation is very hacky, and they use chipsets which are difficult to get drivers for. Back in the day, they also used a custom switching for their graphics between discrete and integrated which was technically inferior
13:00 <Abortion> I wouldn't be suprise if it is still around to be honest
13:00 <Abortion> It is, of course, all deliberate to make it hard to run anything but OS X on it
13:00 <Lish> Still going
13:00 <Lish> Zzz
13:10 <Abortion> I wouldn't be suprise if it is still around to be honest
13:27 <Abortion> It is, of course, all deliberate to make it hard to run anything but OS X on it
13:55 <Lish> Still going
13:56 <Lish> Zzz
14:00 <Tigger_> hacks and obscure chipsets are a form of copy protection, to make it harder to build a hackintosh
14:53 <Tigger_> hacks and obscure chipsets are a form of copy protection, to make it harder to build a hackintosh
15:00 <Tigger_> there is no incentive to make that right
15:00 <Abortion> well its actually the other way around really. hackintosh stuff is well documented
15:00 <Abortion> pick the right motherboards and it is sweet
15:00 <Abortion> What they don't want is to become a hardware platform for general purpose computing, as that spoils their brand
15:14 <Tigger_> there is no incentive to make that right
15:15 <Abortion> well its actually the other way around really. hackintosh stuff is well documented
15:32 <Abortion> pick the right motherboards and it is sweet
15:54 <Abortion> What they don't want is to become a hardware platform for general purpose computing, as that spoils their brand
17:00 <Tigger_> I've read that site that maintains a list of compatible hardware for building hackintoshes, and it did say somewhere that often there would be buginess in the final build when actually running OSX
17:00 <Tigger_> *could, rather
17:00 <Abortion> My guess is, that is done to prevent the widespread proliferation of their hardware. My guess is at a cirtical mass of users, it becomes too mainstream, so the artificial barrier exists to keep it somewhat niche
17:19 <Tigger_> I've read that site that maintains a list of compatible hardware for building hackintoshes, and it did say somewhere that often there would be buginess in the final build when actually running OSX
17:30 <Tigger_> *could, rather
17:38 <Abortion> My guess is, that is done to prevent the widespread proliferation of their hardware. My guess is at a cirtical mass of users, it becomes too mainstream, so the artificial barrier exists to keep it somewhat niche
19:00 <Abortion> If anyone could easily put windows on it, then all the older people who are used to windows could use it, making it uncool
19:00 <Tigger_> putting Windows on Mac hardware as the primary OS?  I can't imagine anyone doing that
19:11 <Abortion> If anyone could easily put windows on it, then all the older people who are used to windows could use it, making it uncool
19:48 <Tigger_> putting Windows on Mac hardware as the primary OS? I can't imagine anyone doing that
20:00 <Abortion> Well it isn't easy to do
20:00 <Tigger_> I can't imagine anyone wanting to
20:00 <Abortion> If it were easy, I reckon it'd be very wide spread
20:08 <Abortion> Well it isn't easy to do
20:17 <Tigger_> I can't imagine anyone wanting to
20:18 <Abortion> If it were easy, I reckon it'd be very wide spread
21:00 <Abortion> "So easy my grandson could do it" kind of thing
21:59 <Abortion> "So easy my grandson could do it" kind of thing
22:00 <Tigger_> it'd be a very expensive way to run Windows, as well as the hardware being more expensive, you'd have to buy the full Windows license, normally when you buy a Windows laptop the license is only $20 or so, and hidden from the consumer
22:11 <Tigger_> it'd be a very expensive way to run Windows, as well as the hardware being more expensive, you'd have to buy the full Windows license, normally when you buy a Windows laptop the license is only $20 or so, and hidden from the consumer
23:00 <Tigger_> and you'd get issues like power management inefficiency, a common complaint when Linux is run on Windows laptops
23:00 <Abortion> I reckon it'd mostly be in sales departments
23:43 <Tigger_> and you'd get issues like power management inefficiency, a common complaint when Linux is run on Windows laptops
24:00 <Abortion> big companies
24:00 <Abortion> if there were tools to put volume licences of windows on macs easily, sales teams would jump on it
24:00 <Abortion> then executives of companies
24:02 <Abortion> I reckon it'd mostly be in sales departments
24:09 <Abortion> big companies
24:40 <Abortion> if there were tools to put volume licences of windows on macs easily, sales teams would jump on it
24:58 <Abortion> then executives of companies
26:00 <Tigger_> it'd be a lot more expensive than their usual practice of giving them Dells
26:00 <Abortion> Sales could easily justify it, thats their job
26:16 <Tigger_> it'd be a lot more expensive than their usual practice of giving them Dells
26:42 <Abortion> Sales could easily justify it, thats their job
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28:00 <Mx_Trump> metrojet have ruled out pilot or technical error
28:42 <Mx_Trump> metrojet have ruled out pilot or technical error
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30:00 <Tigger_> I could envisage a scenario where Apple quietly makes it easy to build hackintoshes, just so long as they pay for the OSX license, then after it builds up momentum, Apple say that given the obvious demand, that they will now openly sell OSX for generic PC hardware, in a shrinkwrapped box at Harvey Norman and Officeworks
30:00 <Tigger_> hi anotherirc3r 
30:00 <anotherirc3r> Tigger!
30:00 <Mx_Trump> why would they do that when losers are happy to pay so much for a mac?
30:16 <Tigger_> I could envisage a scenario where Apple quietly makes it easy to build hackintoshes, just so long as they pay for the OSX license, then after it builds up momentum, Apple say that given the obvious demand, that they will now openly sell OSX for generic PC hardware, in a shrinkwrapped box at Harvey Norman and Officeworks
30:21 <Tigger_> hi anotherirc3r
30:57 <anotherirc3r> Tigger!
31:00 <Mx_Trump> why would they do that when losers are happy to pay so much for a mac?
31:00 <Abortion> Not under Jobsian rule, but with their new CEO, it may come to that
31:00 <Tigger_> Mx_Trump, assuming they calculate they could sell 10x more software licenses than complete computers
31:28 <Abortion> Not under Jobsian rule, but with their new CEO, it may come to that
31:45 <Tigger_> Mx_Trump, assuming they calculate they could sell 10x more software licenses than complete computers
32:00 <Mx_Trump> i think the people that want the mac want the hardware as opposed to the software
32:00 <Mx_Trump> so it can look good in a room
32:00 <Tigger_> that's true too
32:00 <Mx_Trump> and create a conversation piece
32:00 <Abortion> in most cases yes
32:00 <Abortion> When someone tells you they're thinking of getting a Mac, they are looking for people to agree with them, not critique their choice
32:18 <Mx_Trump> i think the people that want the mac want the hardware as opposed to the software
32:27 <Mx_Trump> so it can look good in a room
32:33 <Tigger_> that's true too
32:35 <Mx_Trump> and create a conversation piece
32:37 <Abortion> in most cases yes
33:00 <Abortion> When someone tells you they're thinking of getting a Mac, they are looking for people to agree with them, not critique their choice
33:00 <Mx_Trump> most people who have a mac say that its so much better than a pc but cant explain why apart from it being 'easier'
33:00 <Tigger_> they would be extending their market, to povo types who can spend $200 for an OSX license, but not the real computer
33:00 <Tigger_> but it is not Apple's customary way of thinking
33:00 <Mx_Trump> Lish has been missing the good convo again
33:00 <Tigger_> anotherirc3r, how was your flight?
33:00 <Abortion> Once again, only with the new CEO, Jobs was very clear about his view on the integrated product
33:13 <Mx_Trump> most people who have a mac say that its so much better than a pc but cant explain why apart from it being 'easier'
33:17 <Tigger_> they would be extending their market, to povo types who can spend $200 for an OSX license, but not the real computer
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33:43 <Tigger_> but it is not Apple's customary way of thinking
33:45 <Mx_Trump> Lish has been missing the good convo again
34:00 <Tigger_> anotherirc3r, how was your flight?
34:00 <Lish> Seems like it bretty
34:02 <Abortion> Once again, only with the new CEO, Jobs was very clear about his view on the integrated product
35:05 <Lish> Seems like it bretty
39:00 <anotherirc3r> Tigger, not bad.. but it had no entertainment system!
39:00 <anotherirc3r> i don't know how people sleep on planes
39:51 <anotherirc3r> Tigger, not bad.. but it had no entertainment system!
39:57 <anotherirc3r> i don't know how people sleep on planes
41:00 <Abortion> Interstate planes don't often have them
41:00 <anotherirc3r> the one on the way did
41:00 <Tigger_> how many hours was it?
41:00 <anotherirc3r> 3 hours and 40 minutes
41:22 <Abortion> Interstate planes don't often have them
41:35 <anotherirc3r> the one on the way did
41:46 <Tigger_> how many hours was it?
41:58 <anotherirc3r> 3 hours and 40 minutes
42:00 <Tigger_> also I was extremely disappointed that you did not irc from 30,000 feet
42:00 <anotherirc3r> lol apologies
42:00 <Lish> No wifi on Australian planes 
42:00 <Tigger_> I was so looking forwards to it, since you were on at the loading area
42:13 <Tigger_> also I was extremely disappointed that you did not irc from 30,000 feet
42:31 <anotherirc3r> lol apologies
42:51 <Lish> No wifi on Australian planes
43:00 <Tigger_> I was so looking forwards to it, since you were on at the loading area
43:00 <Mx_Trump> do virgin still have foxtel?
43:00 <Tigger_> what about phone data reception?
43:00 <Lish> You have to put your phone in airport mode tigger
43:00 <Tigger_> the entire way?
43:00 <Lish> On american domestic they have wifi you can pay for 
43:00 <Lish> Yes entire way 
43:00 <Tigger_> that's quite lame
43:25 <Mx_Trump> do virgin still have foxtel?
43:27 <Tigger_> what about phone data reception?
43:37 <Lish> You have to put your phone in airport mode tigger
43:47 <Tigger_> the entire way?
43:50 <Lish> On american domestic they have wifi you can pay for
43:52 <Lish> Yes entire way
44:00 <Tigger_> that's quite lame
44:00 <Tigger_> how is anyone supposed to instagram selfies from the air?
44:26 <Tigger_> how is anyone supposed to instagram selfies from the air?
45:00 <Mx_Trump> bring your own satelite internet
45:00 <Tigger_> it has to be done
45:14 <Mx_Trump> bring your own satelite internet
45:27 <Tigger_> it has to be done
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04:00 <anotherirc3r> wb
04:00 <Lish> Ta
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04:14 <anotherirc3r> wb
04:25 <Lish> Ta
05:00 <Mx_Trump> lets get back to talking about OSX now that Lish is with us
05:00 <Lish> Sounds boring
05:35 <Mx_Trump> lets get back to talking about OSX now that Lish is with us
05:46 <Lish> Sounds boring
06:00 <ajnin> that was a good nap
06:00 <ajnin> like a dick head
06:00 <ajnin> i did not click go on the alarm
06:49 <ajnin> that was a good nap
06:54 <ajnin> like a dick head
07:00 <ajnin> so now I just slept 2 hors..
07:00 <ajnin> hello, mx Tigger_ anotherirc3r Abortion Lish
07:00 <Lish> Hi ajnin
07:00 <ajnin> so whats goign on today
07:00 <ajnin> anyone watch the race ?
07:01 <ajnin> i did not click go on the alarm
07:09 <ajnin> so now I just slept 2 hors..
07:32 <ajnin> hello, mx Tigger_ anotherirc3r Abortion Lish
07:54 <Lish> Hi ajnin
07:55 <ajnin> so whats goign on today
08:00 <ajnin> i wonder if it really stops the nation
08:00 <ajnin> like does people in NSW and WA really care ?
08:00 <ajnin> or are they just shitty they dont have the day off
08:00 <Lish> I 
08:00 <Lish> Lost $70
08:04 <ajnin> anyone watch the race ?
08:11 <ajnin> i wonder if it really stops the nation
08:23 <ajnin> like does people in NSW and WA really care ?
08:33 <ajnin> or are they just shitty they dont have the day off
08:56 <Lish> I
09:00 <Lish> Lost $70
09:00 <Lish> It's big in NSW
09:00 <Lish> Work places have big things for it, I actually found it more atmospheric than here (unless you go) 
09:00 <ajnin> i love horses
09:00 <ajnin> but not into racing
09:00 <ajnin> but I watch this race
09:09 <Lish> It's big in NSW
09:38 <Lish> Work places have big things for it, I actually found it more atmospheric than here (unless you go)
09:50 <ajnin> i love horses
09:56 <ajnin> but not into racing
10:00 <ajnin> but I watch this race
10:00 <ajnin> If I was to spend a day at the tracks I would watch the jump racing
10:00 <ajnin> but they need to get that sorted out
10:00 <ajnin> so the poor hoses dont die
10:00 <ajnin> that part is really shit
10:00 <ajnin> http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/entertainment/television/new-star-trek-tv-series-on-way-to-mark-50th-anniversary/story-fni0cc2c-1227591961184
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10:00 <Lish> Yeah that part is shit
10:17 <ajnin> If I was to spend a day at the tracks I would watch the jump racing
10:22 <ajnin> but they need to get that sorted out
10:29 <ajnin> so the poor hoses dont die
10:34 <ajnin> that part is really shit
10:38 <ajnin> http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/entertainment/television/new-star-trek-tv-series-on-way-to-mark-50th-anniversary/story-fni0cc2c-1227591961184
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10:57 <Lish> Yeah that part is shit
11:00 <ajnin> i also respect that horse dancing shit
11:00 <ajnin> whatever its called
11:00 <Lish> Dressage?
11:21 <ajnin> i also respect that horse dancing shit
11:24 <ajnin> whatever its called
11:38 <Lish> Dressage?
12:00 <anotherirc3r> ajnin!
12:48 <anotherirc3r> ajnin!
13:00 <ajnin> anotherirc3r!!!
13:00 <ajnin> Lish if thats what its called
13:00 <ajnin> when they plat the horses hair
13:00 <anotherirc3r> good nap?
13:00 <ajnin> and then make it do tricks
13:00 <ajnin> anotherirc3r yea!! smashed it...
13:34 <ajnin> anotherirc3r!!!
13:45 <ajnin> Lish if thats what its called
13:52 <ajnin> when they plat the horses hair
13:57 <anotherirc3r> good nap?
13:58 <ajnin> and then make it do tricks
14:00 <ajnin> even let the cat sleep on the bed
14:00 <ajnin> so she was happy.. the other one missed out.. I called.. but it did not come..
14:07 <ajnin> anotherirc3r yea!! smashed it...
14:18 <ajnin> even let the cat sleep on the bed
14:41 <ajnin> so she was happy.. the other one missed out.. I called.. but it did not come..
15:00 <anotherirc3r> lol snobs
15:25 <anotherirc3r> lol snobs
16:00 <Lish> Cats 
16:00 <Lish> Yuck
16:00 <ajnin> cats = wonderful
16:27 <Lish> Cats
16:28 <Lish> Yuck
16:49 <ajnin> cats = wonderful
17:00 <ajnin> what to do for dinner ?
17:00 <Mx_Trump> ajnin where is the pic of your pizza?
17:00 <ajnin> also I am thinking if I am well enough to go for a jog
17:00 <Lish> Jog
17:00 <Lish> That's energetic
17:00 <Lish> I was going to walk but I've just been sitting on the couch
17:00 <Lish> I exercised this morning though
17:24 <ajnin> what to do for dinner ?
17:32 <Mx_Trump> ajnin where is the pic of your pizza?
17:40 <ajnin> also I am thinking if I am well enough to go for a jog
17:48 <Lish> Jog
17:51 <Lish> That's energetic
18:00 <Mx_Trump> i exercised just before
18:00 <ajnin> Mx_Trump http://www.ratemypoo.com/
18:00 <Mx_Trump> DAY 00
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18:00 <ajnin> i have dont fuck all after getting sick
18:00 <ajnin> it takes it out of me
18:01 <Lish> I was going to walk but I've just been sitting on the couch
18:05 <Lish> I exercised this morning though
18:24 <Mx_Trump> i exercised just before
18:25 <ajnin> Mx_Trump http://www.ratemypoo.com/
18:26 <Mx_Trump> DAY 00
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18:50 <ajnin> i have dont fuck all after getting sick
19:00 <ajnin> even walking from teh station to work
19:00 <ajnin> so i dont want to get sick again by pushing too soon
19:00 <Lish> What were you sick with
19:01 <ajnin> it takes it out of me
19:08 <ajnin> even walking from teh station to work
19:18 <ajnin> so i dont want to get sick again by pushing too soon
19:36 <Lish> What were you sick with
20:00 <anotherirc3r> i definitely don't feel like doing anything
20:40 <anotherirc3r> i definitely don't feel like doing anything
23:00 <Tigger_> hey ajnin, how are you today?
23:50 <Tigger_> hey ajnin, how are you today?
24:00 <ajnin> Lish i was sick with a gut infection. was in hostpital for 3 nights
24:00 <ajnin> got back home on thursday
24:00 <ajnin> but still recovering
24:00 <Lish> Strange, do they know what caused it? 
24:00 <ajnin> Tigger_ I am doing good man
24:00 <ajnin> Lish one of them things
24:00 <Tigger_> excellent
24:00 <Lish> They give you medicineB
24:00 <Lish> ?
24:00 <ajnin> yea.. anti's on an IV
24:00 <ajnin> then tabs once I was released
24:12 <ajnin> Lish i was sick with a gut infection. was in hostpital for 3 nights
24:18 <ajnin> got back home on thursday
24:23 <ajnin> but still recovering
24:26 <Lish> Strange, do they know what caused it?
24:28 <ajnin> Tigger_ I am doing good man
24:35 <ajnin> Lish one of them things
24:35 <Tigger_> excellent
24:49 <Lish> They give you medicineB
24:51 <Lish> ?
24:59 <ajnin> yea.. anti's on an IV
25:00 <Lish> No good
25:00 <Lish> You off work still?
25:05 <ajnin> then tabs once I was released
25:30 <Lish> No good
25:33 <Lish> You off work still?
26:00 <ajnin> naw
26:00 <ajnin> started monday
26:56 <ajnin> naw
26:58 <ajnin> started monday
27:00 <ajnin> Lish is that show you watched the one with Sam wood ?
27:00 <Lish> Which show?
27:00 <Lish> Oh the bachelor 
27:00 <Lish> Yeah
27:00 <Mx_Trump> https://www.facebook.com/9NewsPerth/videos/1121478101197682/
27:00 <progressive> [ 9 News Perth | Facebook ] - www.facebook.com
27:00 <Mx_Trump> that is like what we were talking about earlier
27:14 <ajnin> Lish is that show you watched the one with Sam wood ?
27:33 <Lish> Which show?
27:47 <Lish> Oh the bachelor
27:48 <Lish> Yeah
27:55 <Mx_Trump> https://www.facebook.com/9NewsPerth/videos/1121478101197682/
27:57 <progressive> [ 9 News Perth | Facebook ] - www.facebook.com
28:00 <Tigger_> a jetski is the ultimate veblen good for bogans
28:01 <Mx_Trump> that is like what we were talking about earlier
28:59 <Tigger_> a jetski is the ultimate veblen good for bogans
29:00 <ajnin> he is a stange looking rooster
29:00 <ajnin> just saw a pic of him at the melb cup
29:00 <ajnin> Tigger_ i saw lots of jetskis today
29:00 <ajnin> getting towed around
29:25 <ajnin> he is a stange looking rooster
29:37 <ajnin> just saw a pic of him at the melb cup
29:53 <ajnin> Tigger_ i saw lots of jetskis today
29:57 <ajnin> getting towed around
30:00 <Tigger_> might've been a drug lord's jetski collection impounded by the police
30:36 <Tigger_> might've been a drug lord's jetski collection impounded by the police
33:00 <Mx_Trump> i might put a bid in for the lambo - $150k
33:00 <ajnin> http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/criminologist-accused-of-child-sex-abuse/story-e6frfku9-1227593541293
33:00 <progressive> [ Criminologist accused of child sex abuse ] - www.news.com.au
33:40 <Mx_Trump> i might put a bid in for the lambo - $150k
34:00 <Lish> Jet skis are horrible
34:00 <ajnin> thts fucked
34:00 <ajnin> i have vener been on one. I want to
34:00 <ajnin> i know 2 people that died on them
34:00 <ajnin> so that sorta put me off
34:00 <Lish> They are for bogans
34:00 <Lish> Don't go on them
34:00 <ajnin> i am a bogan
34:00 <Lish> Loud and annoying
34:00 <ajnin> i cant help it
34:00 <Tigger_> A BRISBANE jury was told on Tuesday published academic Paul Wilson, now 74, met his alleged victim while she played with his daughter before inviting her to his bedroom to play hide-and-seek games and encouraging her to take off her clothes.
34:00 <ajnin> i love that shit.. lol
34:00 <Tigger_> amazing, I've read a book of his
34:02 <ajnin> http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/criminologist-accused-of-child-sex-abuse/story-e6frfku9-1227593541293
34:03 <progressive> [ Criminologist accused of child sex abuse ] - www.news.com.au
34:09 <Lish> Jet skis are horrible
34:13 <ajnin> thts fucked
34:25 <ajnin> i have vener been on one. I want to
34:33 <ajnin> i know 2 people that died on them
34:37 <ajnin> so that sorta put me off
34:38 <Lish> They are for bogans
34:43 <Lish> Don't go on them
34:50 <ajnin> i am a bogan
34:53 <Lish> Loud and annoying
34:57 <ajnin> i cant help it
35:00 <ajnin> but I love my dirt bike more!!
35:00 <ajnin> dirt bikes rock
35:01 <Tigger_> A BRISBANE jury was told on Tuesday published academic Paul Wilson, now 74, met his alleged victim while she played with his daughter before inviting her to his bedroom to play hide-and-seek games and encouraging her to take off her clothes.
35:06 <ajnin> i love that shit.. lol
35:07 <Tigger_> amazing, I've read a book of his
35:11 <ajnin> but I love my dirt bike more!!
35:27 <ajnin> dirt bikes rock
36:00 <Tigger_> this is the book of his I read: Murder of the Innocents: Child Killers and Their Victims, Rigby, Adelaide (1985)
36:39 <Tigger_> this is the book of his I read: Murder of the Innocents: Child Killers and Their Victims, Rigby, Adelaide (1985)
37:00 <Tigger_> I guess he was doing hands on field work
37:10 <Tigger_> I guess he was doing hands on field work
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49:00 <Warren1984> hi all
49:00 <Warren1984> passed my exam
49:00 <Warren1984> 1 more exam
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49:45 <Warren1984> hi all
49:48 <Warren1984> passed my exam
49:53 <Warren1984> 1 more exam
50:00 <anotherirc3r> yay Warren!
50:21 <anotherirc3r> yay Warren!
52:00 <Warren1984> how was your flight back Jen
52:00 <anotherirc3r> really boring.. no entertainment system and couldn't sleep!
52:34 <Warren1984> how was your flight back Jen
52:54 <anotherirc3r> really boring.. no entertainment system and couldn't sleep!
55:00 <Warren1984> ahh
55:00 <Warren1984> were you on a small plane?
55:00 <anotherirc3r> yup :/
55:00 <Warren1984> yeah we must have got the same deal
55:00 <Warren1984> my sister paid for it though
55:00 <Warren1984> I was wondering how you got such a good deal
55:00 <Warren1984> always some catch
55:08 <Warren1984> ahh
55:14 <Warren1984> were you on a small plane?
55:18 <anotherirc3r> yup :/
55:30 <Warren1984> yeah we must have got the same deal
55:42 <Warren1984> my sister paid for it though
55:53 <Warren1984> I was wondering how you got such a good deal
56:00 <Tigger_> hi Warren1984 
56:00 <Tigger_> what was your score?
56:03 <Warren1984> always some catch
56:46 <Tigger_> hi Warren1984
57:05 <Tigger_> what was your score?
58:00 <Warren1984> hey Tigger_
58:00 <Warren1984> he did give us a percentage
58:00 <Warren1984> just competent or not yet competent
58:00 <Warren1984> the pass mark was 70%
58:28 <Warren1984> hey Tigger_
58:36 <Warren1984> he did give us a percentage
58:49 <Warren1984> just competent or not yet competent
58:58 <Warren1984> the pass mark was 70%
59:00 <Tigger_> so you're above 70
59:00 <Warren1984> so I must have got better than that
59:00 <Warren1984> yeah
59:00 <Warren1984> 1 more exam next week
59:00 <anotherirc3r> did the summaries help at all?
59:00 <Warren1984> then it's prac
59:00 <Warren1984> don't care about the prac
59:00 <Warren1984> yes Jen
59:08 <Tigger_> so you're above 70
59:08 <Warren1984> so I must have got better than that
59:11 <Warren1984> yeah
59:29 <Warren1984> 1 more exam next week
59:33 <anotherirc3r> did the summaries help at all?
59:34 <Warren1984> then it's prac
59:40 <Warren1984> don't care about the prac
59:48 <Warren1984> yes Jen
00:00 <Tigger_> did anyone fail?
00:00 <anotherirc3r> oh, good :)
00:00 <Warren1984> yeah a few did
00:00 <Warren1984> Tigger_ another 2 of clip clop's mates died today
00:13 <Tigger_> did anyone fail?
00:37 <anotherirc3r> oh, good :)
00:41 <Warren1984> yeah a few did
00:55 <Warren1984> Tigger_ another 2 of clip clop's mates died today
01:00 <Warren1984> what is clip clop going to do about it
01:00 <Warren1984> yeah it would have being good to show you more of Perth Jen
01:15 <Warren1984> what is clip clop going to do about it
01:44 <Warren1984> yeah it would have being good to show you more of Perth Jen
02:00 <Tigger_> Clip Clop doesn't watch the news
02:00 <Tigger_> so did you laugh at the ones that failed?
02:27 <Tigger_> Clip Clop doesn't watch the news
02:39 <Tigger_> so did you laugh at the ones that failed?
03:00 <ajnin> melb cup
03:00 <ajnin> https://imgur.com/iIe6Lzo
03:00 <progressive> [ Imgur: The most awesome images on the Internet ] - imgur.com
03:00 <ajnin> Warren1984 congrtas man!!
03:00 <ajnin> thats good news!
03:00 <Tigger_> stylish Melbourne
03:26 <ajnin> melb cup
03:27 <ajnin> https://imgur.com/iIe6Lzo
03:28 <progressive> [ Imgur: The most awesome images on the Internet ] - imgur.com
03:39 <ajnin> Warren1984 congrtas man!!
03:41 <ajnin> thats good news!
03:56 <Tigger_> stylish Melbourne
04:00 <anotherirc3r> that's disgusting
04:00 <ajnin> anotherirc3r its melbourne pigs!
04:00 <ajnin> fucking dumbcunts I hate it
04:00 <ajnin> aniamls
04:00 <ajnin> talking about flights
04:19 <anotherirc3r> that's disgusting
04:32 <ajnin> anotherirc3r its melbourne pigs!
04:43 <ajnin> fucking dumbcunts I hate it
04:49 <ajnin> aniamls
05:00 <ajnin> I am no looking forward to 21 hours of fucking flying
05:00 <anotherirc3r> what? it's #melbourne?
05:00 <Ozone> ha, stay classy melbourne
05:00 <ajnin> + loading times
05:00 <anotherirc3r> yeah, that doesn't surprise me
05:00 <ajnin> them pics were 2015 melb cup
05:02 <ajnin> talking about flights
05:15 <ajnin> I am no looking forward to 21 hours of fucking flying
05:25 <anotherirc3r> what? it's #melbourne?
05:27 <Ozone> ha, stay classy melbourne
05:30 <ajnin> + loading times
05:30 <anotherirc3r> yeah, that doesn't surprise me
05:43 <ajnin> them pics were 2015 melb cup
06:00 <Warren1984> [16:03] <ajnin> Warren1984 congrtas man!! <- yeah
06:00 <Warren1984> although I am not concentrating a lot on other things in my life
06:00 <Warren1984> my weight has gone from 113KG to 115KG
06:36 <Warren1984> [16:03] <ajnin> Warren1984 congrtas man!! <- yeah
06:52 <Warren1984> although I am not concentrating a lot on other things in my life
07:00 <Warren1984> maybe I am being too lazy
07:00 <ajnin> its hard to manage everything
07:02 <Warren1984> my weight has gone from 113KG to 115KG
07:20 <Warren1984> maybe I am being too lazy
08:00 <anotherirc3r> Ozone!!!
08:00 <ajnin> just go for a walk every night
08:00 <Ozone> hey :)
08:00 <anotherirc3r> how's you!?
08:00 <Ozone> good thanks, and you?
08:05 <ajnin> its hard to manage everything
08:10 <anotherirc3r> Ozone!!!
08:16 <ajnin> just go for a walk every night
08:41 <Ozone> hey :)
08:53 <anotherirc3r> how's you!?
09:00 <Ozone> enjoying perth?
09:00 <anotherirc3r> i'm good!
09:00 <anotherirc3r> back home now
09:00 <anotherirc3r> i got home at 7:00am
09:00 <circle> >The Jewish victim of a verbal racial attack that was posted in a video online says a three-year prison term given to the man who called him a "racist, homicidal maniac" outside a Perth supermarket is not enough.
09:00 <circle> >This has got nothing to do with free speech," Mr Lieblich said. 
09:00 <Ozone> oh, what a bad time to get home
09:00 <circle> Tigger_
09:05 <Ozone> good thanks, and you?
09:41 <Ozone> enjoying perth?
09:48 <anotherirc3r> i'm good!
09:51 <anotherirc3r> back home now
09:57 <anotherirc3r> i got home at 7:00am
09:58 <circle> >The Jewish victim of a verbal racial attack that was posted in a video online says a three-year prison term given to the man who called him a "racist, homicidal maniac" outside a Perth supermarket is not enough.
09:58 <circle> >This has got nothing to do with free speech," Mr Lieblich said.
10:00 <Ozone> lol
10:00 <anotherirc3r> yes lol
10:00 <anotherirc3r> tiredddddd
10:00 <Tigger_> that is Brendan O'Connell, who has some associates on irc
10:00 <Tigger_> hi circle 
10:00 <Tigger_> circle, strum is friends with Brendan
10:04 <Ozone> oh, what a bad time to get home
10:05 <circle> Tigger_
10:14 <Ozone> lol
10:20 <anotherirc3r> yes lol
10:24 <anotherirc3r> tiredddddd
10:35 <Tigger_> that is Brendan O'Connell, who has some associates on irc
10:50 <Tigger_> hi circle
11:00 <circle> who is brendan
11:00 <Tigger_> he's the guy who went to prison for that incident at the jewish supermarket in Perth
11:00 <circle> oh
11:00 <circle> hahaha
11:00 <circle> interesting
11:00 <Warren1984> [16:08] <ajnin> just go for a walk every night <- good idea but then life becomes unfun
11:04 <Tigger_> circle, strum is friends with Brendan
11:20 <circle> who is brendan
11:38 <Tigger_> he's the guy who went to prison for that incident at the jewish supermarket in Perth
11:43 <circle> oh
11:46 <circle> hahaha
11:47 <circle> interesting
12:00 <anotherirc3r> true but i thought you liked routine Warren
12:00 <Tigger_> Brendan has a youtube channel too, just the usual lefty ranting combined with ramblings about the jew world order
12:02 <Warren1984> [16:08] <ajnin> just go for a walk every night <- good idea but then life becomes unfun
12:26 <anotherirc3r> true but i thought you liked routine Warren
12:39 <Tigger_> Brendan has a youtube channel too, just the usual lefty ranting combined with ramblings about the jew world order
13:00 <circle> if a muslim rapes a white girl
13:00 <circle> he gets 12 months
13:00 <circle> if you criticise a jew
13:00 <circle> you get 3 years 
13:00 <circle> "justice" system
13:00 <Tigger_> also Shane has some sort of association with Brendan, not sure how, but he knows all the details of his case, and said he didn't get three years for hate speech, but for his antics while on trial, which got him contempt of court
13:20 <circle> if a muslim rapes a white girl
13:22 <circle> he gets 12 months
13:26 <circle> if you criticise a jew
13:30 <circle> you get 3 years
13:37 <circle> "justice" system
13:45 <Tigger_> also Shane has some sort of association with Brendan, not sure how, but he knows all the details of his case, and said he didn't get three years for hate speech, but for his antics while on trial, which got him contempt of court
14:00 <ajnin> circle got a link ?
14:00 <Tigger_> I think Shane just knows him online, but not met him in person
14:00 <circle> ajnin: http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/man-jailed-for-posting-antisemitic-video-online-20110131-1abm3.html
14:00 <progressive> [ Man jailed for posting anti-semitic video online ] - www.smh.com.au
14:00 <Lish> I need to drink some water
14:15 <ajnin> circle got a link ?
14:23 <Tigger_> I think Shane just knows him online, but not met him in person
14:44 <circle> ajnin: http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/man-jailed-for-posting-antisemitic-video-online-20110131-1abm3.html
14:48 <progressive> [ Man jailed for posting anti-semitic video online ] - www.smh.com.au
14:54 <Lish> I need to drink some water
15:00 <Tigger_> also if you see the original footage, Brendan randomly slaps this jewish guy in the face, for his fruit crimes against the Palestinians
15:00 <circle> he didn't get charged for slapping anyone in the face
15:00 <circle> he got charged for 'racial hatred'
15:41 <Tigger_> also if you see the original footage, Brendan randomly slaps this jewish guy in the face, for his fruit crimes against the Palestinians
15:55 <circle> he didn't get charged for slapping anyone in the face
16:00 <circle> and a jewish judge shoved him in the slammer for as long as he could get away with
16:00 <Tigger_> I know, but that's what happens in the video
16:00 <circle> jews are above criticism
16:01 <circle> he got charged for 'racial hatred'
16:11 <circle> and a jewish judge shoved him in the slammer for as long as he could get away with
16:13 <Tigger_> I know, but that's what happens in the video
16:19 <circle> jews are above criticism
17:00 <ajnin> that is fucked
17:00 <Lish> I might get an ice cream from Maccas soon 
17:00 <Lish> My tummy has been off
17:00 <ajnin> people have killed other people and goten less
17:00 <Warren1984> [16:12] <Warren1984> [16:08] <ajnin> just go for a walk every night <- good idea but then life becomes unfun
17:00 <Warren1984> [16:12] <anotherirc3r> true but i thought you liked routine Warren <- not if it doesn't involve any fun
17:00 <ajnin> i am shocked but not surprised
17:00 <Tigger_> I don't think Brendan should've been sent to prison for three years, as that only confirms his theories about the jew world order.  he may have grown out of it otherwise
17:12 <ajnin> that is fucked
17:14 <Lish> I might get an ice cream from Maccas soon
17:17 <Lish> My tummy has been off
17:21 <ajnin> people have killed other people and goten less
17:32 <Warren1984> [16:12] <Warren1984> [16:08] <ajnin> just go for a walk every night <- good idea but then life becomes unfun
17:33 <Warren1984> [16:12] <anotherirc3r> true but i thought you liked routine Warren <- not if it doesn't involve any fun
17:37 <ajnin> i am shocked but not surprised
17:45 <Tigger_> I don't think Brendan should've been sent to prison for three years, as that only confirms his theories about the jew world order. he may have grown out of it otherwise
20:00 <circle> apparently the federal government recently raided his home 
20:00 <circle> charged him with causing offence over a carriage service
20:51 <circle> apparently the federal government recently raided his home
21:00 <circle> charged him with causing offence over a carriage service
21:00 <Tigger_> was that over his call to Bronwyn Bishop?
21:00 <circle> nope, it was due to anti-semitic remarks made on youtube
21:14 <Tigger_> was that over his call to Bronwyn Bishop?
21:31 <circle> nope, it was due to anti-semitic remarks made on youtube
24:00 <Tigger_> I haven't heard of that incident
24:23 <Tigger_> I haven't heard of that incident
25:00 <Tigger_> oh that original video, yes
25:00 <Tigger_> I thought you meant more recently
25:15 <Tigger_> oh that original video, yes
25:34 <Tigger_> I thought you meant more recently
29:00 <Lish> My broken toe is pissing me off
29:00 <Lish> What's the US dollar tigger
29:00 <anotherirc3r> what did you do?!
29:39 <Lish> My broken toe is pissing me off
29:59 <Lish> What's the US dollar tigger
30:00 <Tigger_> 1 AUD = 0.719956 USD
30:00 <Tigger_> slowly going down again
30:00 <Lish> I fell when I was away and broke my toe
30:05 <anotherirc3r> what did you do?!
30:21 <Tigger_> 1 AUD = 0.719956 USD
30:26 <Tigger_> slowly going down again
31:00 <Lish> Bruised my leg 
31:00 <anotherirc3r> down the stairs?
31:00 <Lish> Nothing major, just a toe 
31:00 <Lish> Kind of lol 
31:00 <Lish> Just aches now, tape it up and it's ok 
31:00 <anotherirc3r> goddamn lol
31:00 <Lish> Looking at flights tigger lol
31:07 <Lish> I fell when I was away and broke my toe
31:10 <Lish> Bruised my leg
31:14 <anotherirc3r> down the stairs?
31:17 <Lish> Nothing major, just a toe
31:21 <Lish> Kind of lol
31:31 <Lish> Just aches now, tape it up and it's ok
31:36 <Lish> Looking at flights tigger lol
31:36 <anotherirc3r> goddamn lol
32:00 <Tigger_> where to?
32:00 <Lish> LA
32:23 <Tigger_> where to?
32:38 <Lish> LA
33:00 <Tigger_> I thought you'd ruled that out
33:00 <Lish> It's always tempting 
33:00 <Lish> I want to see basketball lol
33:10 <Tigger_> I thought you'd ruled that out
33:39 <Lish> It's always tempting
33:44 <Lish> I want to see basketball lol
35:00 <Tigger_> forget about all that, instead purchase some Breville kitchen appliances
35:21 <Tigger_> forget about all that, instead purchase some Breville kitchen appliances
36:00 <Lish> Pass
36:14 <Lish> Pass
37:00 <circle> the jew controlled reserve bank will keep lowering the interest
37:00 <circle> rate
37:00 <circle> until our money is worth literally nothing
37:00 <Tigger_> a basketball game is over in an hour or two, but a Breville icecream machine will give you years of icecream pleasure
37:15 <circle> the jew controlled reserve bank will keep lowering the interest
37:15 <circle> rate
37:31 <circle> until our money is worth literally nothing
37:50 <Tigger_> a basketball game is over in an hour or two, but a Breville icecream machine will give you years of icecream pleasure
38:00 <circle> why are there so many people in here
38:00 <circle> where did th ey all come from?
38:00 <Lish> I have an ice cream machine
38:57 <circle> why are there so many people in here
39:00 <Tigger_> you don't have a Breville icecream machine
39:00 <Tigger_> circle, 31 isn't unusual
39:02 <circle> where did th ey all come from?
39:04 <Lish> I have an ice cream machine
39:48 <Tigger_> you don't have a Breville icecream machine
40:00 <Tigger_> circle, 31 isn't unusual
44:00 <Lish> I think I do actually 
44:00 <Tigger_> when was the last time you used it?
44:38 <Lish> I think I do actually
45:00 <Lish> I dunno when I got it lol
45:00 <Tigger_> so you could stay home and practice making icecream
45:00 <Tigger_> that could be your vacation in future
45:00 <anotherirc3r> make more exciting icecream flavours than musk though
45:04 <Tigger_> when was the last time you used it?
45:19 <Lish> I dunno when I got it lol
45:34 <Tigger_> so you could stay home and practice making icecream
45:45 <Tigger_> that could be your vacation in future
45:52 <anotherirc3r> make more exciting icecream flavours than musk though
46:00 <Tigger_> blue heaven will have top priority
46:00 <anotherirc3r> good!
46:00 <anotherirc3r> as it should lol
46:35 <Tigger_> blue heaven will have top priority
46:58 <anotherirc3r> good!
47:00 <anotherirc3r> as it should lol
47:00 <Lish> No way 
47:00 <Lish> I had musk ice cream on holiday
48:00 <Lish> No way
48:00 <Lish> 3 days in a row
48:00 <anotherirc3r> yuck
48:00 <Tigger_> where did you get musk icecream?
48:05 <Lish> I had musk ice cream on holiday
48:08 <Lish> 3 days in a row
48:09 <anotherirc3r> yuck
48:54 <Tigger_> where did you get musk icecream?
49:00 <Lish> They had it at the ice cream shop
49:00 <Tigger_> is Cairns the musk icecream mecca?
49:00 <Lish> And it had little marshmallows in it
49:00 <Lish> They had 46 flavours at one shop in port Douglas 
49:00 <Lish> We had ice cream everyday 
49:27 <Lish> They had it at the ice cream shop
49:28 <Tigger_> is Cairns the musk icecream mecca?
49:34 <Lish> And it had little marshmallows in it
49:42 <Lish> They had 46 flavours at one shop in port Douglas
49:46 <Lish> We had ice cream everyday
50:00 <Tigger_> that would've been so good
50:00 <Tigger_> why didn't you take photos?
50:00 <anotherirc3r> what other flavours?
50:00 <anotherirc3r> pistachio is good
50:22 <Tigger_> that would've been so good
50:32 <Tigger_> why didn't you take photos?
50:33 <anotherirc3r> what other flavours?
50:39 <anotherirc3r> pistachio is good
51:00 <Lish> I was too busy eating 
51:00 <Lish> I always get boysenberry it's my fav flavour 
51:00 <Lish> I had fair floss too
51:00 <Tigger_> you let us down in America too, you were supposed to instagram every single meal
51:16 <Lish> I was too busy eating
51:31 <Lish> I always get boysenberry it's my fav flavour
51:37 <Lish> I had fair floss too
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51:56 <Tigger_> you let us down in America too, you were supposed to instagram every single meal
52:00 <Lish> I'm too busy having fun 
52:00 <Tigger_> the purpose of holidays is to document the fun
52:00 <Lish> I'm going to Maccas now 
52:00 <Lish> Back soon 
52:00 <anotherirc3r> yes.. let us live vicariously through you
52:00 <anotherirc3r> lol
52:11 <Lish> I'm too busy having fun
52:33 <Tigger_> the purpose of holidays is to document the fun
52:43 <Lish> I'm going to Maccas now
52:45 <Lish> Back soon
52:48 <anotherirc3r> yes.. let us live vicariously through you
52:48 <anotherirc3r> lol
53:00 <Tigger_> we can critique the photos, and tell you what you're doing wrong
53:16 <Tigger_> we can critique the photos, and tell you what you're doing wrong
56:00 <anotherirc3r> this fruit salad is even better than the last
56:42 <anotherirc3r> this fruit salad is even better than the last
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57:00 <anotherirc3r> blueberries!
57:00 <Tigger_> outside of muffins, blueberries never really do much for me
57:19 <anotherirc3r> blueberries!
57:46 <Tigger_> outside of muffins, blueberries never really do much for me
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01:00 <anotherirc3r> this fruit salad has watermelon, cantaloupe, strawberries, banana and blueberries
01:00 <anotherirc3r> with cream
01:37 <anotherirc3r> this fruit salad has watermelon, cantaloupe, strawberries, banana and blueberries
01:38 <anotherirc3r> with cream
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05:00 <anotherirc3r> wb ajnin
05:20 <anotherirc3r> wb ajnin
11:00 <Lish> Did you make it Jen? 
11:00 <anotherirc3r> yup
11:28 <Lish> Did you make it Jen?
11:59 <anotherirc3r> yup
12:00 <Lish> Nice
12:37 <Lish> Nice
14:00 <Lish> Strawberry sundae for me
14:38 <Lish> Strawberry sundae for me
15:00 <anotherirc3r> http://imgur.com/MzwZPmk
15:00 <progressive> [ Imgur: The most awesome images on the Internet ] - imgur.com
15:00 <Lish> Nice! 
15:22 <anotherirc3r> http://imgur.com/MzwZPmk
15:22 <progressive> [ Imgur: The most awesome images on the Internet ] - imgur.com
16:00 <Lish> Nice!
17:00 <Lish> Now I feel sick
17:00 <anotherirc3r> what's up?
17:16 <Lish> Now I feel sick
17:28 <anotherirc3r> what's up?
18:00 <Lish> Too much ice cream
18:08 <Lish> Too much ice cream
19:00 <Lish> Tell that to my stomach
19:00 <anotherirc3r> lol
19:14 <Glenn> Can never have too much ice cream Lish...
19:27 <Lish> Tell that to my stomach
19:37 <Glenn> :P
20:00 <anotherirc3r> what type?
20:00 <Lish> Maccas sundae strawberry
20:07 <anotherirc3r> lol
20:11 <anotherirc3r> what type?
20:51 <Lish> Maccas sundae strawberry
21:00 <anotherirc3r> strawberry?!
21:00 <Lish> The best 
21:00 <anotherirc3r> fudge is so much better!
21:00 <Lish> Yuck
21:00 <Lish> Chocolate?
21:00 <Lish> Why pass
21:29 <anotherirc3r> strawberry?!
21:34 <Lish> The best
21:35 <Glenn> <*sigh*>
21:36 <anotherirc3r> fudge is so much better!
21:39 <Lish> Yuck
21:44 <Lish> Chocolate?
21:47 <Glenn> Pass
21:54 <Lish> Why pass
22:00 <Lish> Yay
22:00 <anotherirc3r> nooooo
22:00 <anotherirc3r> help me out here
22:02 <Glenn> Strawberry is best
22:16 <Lish> Yay
22:27 <anotherirc3r> nooooo
22:33 * anotherirc3r nudges Ozone
22:36 <anotherirc3r> help me out here
23:00 <Ozone> i agree wholeheartedly
23:28 <Ozone> i agree wholeheartedly
25:00 <Lish> You would
25:00 <Lish> Loser
25:48 <Lish> You would
25:49 <Lish> Loser
27:00 <anotherirc3r> lol
27:00 <anotherirc3r> he has good taste
27:00 <anotherirc3r> it's okay.. i know you don't get it :P
27:00 <Ozone> its true
27:10 <anotherirc3r> lol
27:13 <anotherirc3r> he has good taste
27:23 <anotherirc3r> it's okay.. i know you don't get it :P
27:34 <Ozone> its true
28:00 <Lish> I've had the pleasure of knowing his exes, he doesn't have good taste ;)
28:00 <Lish> That I know is a fact! 
28:00 <Ozone> hahahaha
28:00 <anotherirc3r> you have!!?!
28:00 <anotherirc3r> ohhh..
28:00 <anotherirc3r> i need to see photos now
28:19 <Lish> I've had the pleasure of knowing his exes, he doesn't have good taste ;)
28:24 <Lish> That I know is a fact!
28:29 <Ozone> hahahaha
28:41 <anotherirc3r> you have!!?!
28:43 <anotherirc3r> ohhh..
28:46 <anotherirc3r> i need to see photos now
29:00 <Lish> lol
29:00 <Ozone> lish chilling in her delorean
29:51 <Lish> lol
30:00 <Lish> That's it 
30:07 <Ozone> lish chilling in her delorean
30:20 <Lish> That's it
31:00 <anotherirc3r> have you met Ozone Lish?
32:00 <anotherirc3r> have you met Ozone Lish?
32:00 <Lish> I can't say 
32:00 <ajnin1> choc is the best
32:00 <ajnin1> if your talking sundays
32:50 <Lish> I can't say
32:56 <ajnin1> choc is the best
33:00 <ajnin1> but... the best thing on a hot day is frozen coke
33:00 <Lish> Disgustin
33:00 <ajnin1> orrrrr
33:00 <ajnin1> the Gaytime krusher!
33:00 <Lish> Ajnin the more I know you, the more I realise you're not my soul mate
33:00 <ajnin1> Lish haha maybe ying and yang
33:01 <ajnin1> if your talking sundays
33:12 <ajnin1> but... the best thing on a hot day is frozen coke
33:14 <Lish> Disgustin
33:15 <ajnin1> orrrrr
33:21 <ajnin1> the Gaytime krusher!
33:27 <Lish> Ajnin the more I know you, the more I realise you're not my soul mate
33:43 <ajnin1> Lish haha maybe ying and yang
34:00 <ajnin1> Lish have you been to F.A.T. (fried and tasty)
34:00 <ajnin1> its a mad chicken joint
34:00 <Lish> No where is it
34:00 <ajnin1> Lygon
34:00 <Ozone> also known as KFC
34:00 <anotherirc3r> haha
34:00 <anotherirc3r> yum
34:14 <ajnin1> Lish have you been to F.A.T. (fried and tasty)
34:22 <ajnin1> its a mad chicken joint
34:23 <Lish> No where is it
34:27 <ajnin1> Lygon
34:49 <Ozone> also known as KFC
35:00 <ajnin1> Ozone haha naw its KFC for the oodie hipsters
35:00 <ajnin1> lol like me!
35:00 <ajnin1> anotherirc3r have you been ?
35:00 <ajnin1> i know your from the other side.. but lygon is OK true :)
35:00 <ajnin1> its not really west :p
35:00 <Lish> I'm not that into chicken
35:00 <Lish> Into burgers mostly
35:05 <anotherirc3r> haha
35:07 <anotherirc3r> yum
35:18 <ajnin1> Ozone haha naw its KFC for the oodie hipsters
35:21 <ajnin1> lol like me!
35:26 <ajnin1> anotherirc3r have you been ?
35:38 <ajnin1> i know your from the other side.. but lygon is OK true :)
35:46 <ajnin1> its not really west :p
35:59 <Lish> I'm not that into chicken
36:00 <anotherirc3r> i'm good thanks ajnin. just had a fruit salad!
36:00 <anotherirc3r> how's you?
36:00 <Lish> For some reason chicken just isn't my thing 
36:00 <anotherirc3r> i want to try the new create your taste chicken at maccas
36:00 <ajnin1> I am kicking goals
36:00 <anotherirc3r> just to say i've tried it
36:00 <ajnin1> i still have not done that
36:06 <Lish> Into burgers mostly
36:12 <anotherirc3r> i'm good thanks ajnin. just had a fruit salad!
36:14 <anotherirc3r> how's you?
36:18 <Lish> For some reason chicken just isn't my thing
36:53 <anotherirc3r> i want to try the new create your taste chicken at maccas
36:57 <ajnin1> I am kicking goals
36:58 <anotherirc3r> just to say i've tried it
37:00 <ajnin1> tomorrow is a big day for me guys
37:00 <ajnin1> its burger Wednesday!!! and its burger joint 52
37:00 <anotherirc3r> where are you going?
37:00 <Lish> lol 
37:00 <Lish> I didn't have any burgers on holiday 
37:05 <ajnin1> i still have not done that
37:15 <ajnin1> tomorrow is a big day for me guys
37:30 <ajnin1> its burger Wednesday!!! and its burger joint 52
37:53 <anotherirc3r> where are you going?
37:56 <Lish> lol
38:00 <ajnin1> I think I am going to the The Burger Lounge 
38:00 <ajnin1> 902 Main Rd Eltham
38:00 <ajnin1> fucking eltham
38:00 <ajnin1> i dont think I have ever been there
38:07 <Lish> I didn't have any burgers on holiday
38:27 <ajnin1> I think I am going to the The Burger Lounge
38:41 <ajnin1> 902 Main Rd Eltham
38:45 <ajnin1> fucking eltham
38:51 <ajnin1> i dont think I have ever been there
39:00 <anotherirc3r> Eltham?!
39:00 <anotherirc3r> where exactly is that anyway?
39:00 <Lish> Eltham is nice 
39:24 <anotherirc3r> Eltham?!
39:29 <anotherirc3r> where exactly is that anyway?
39:44 <Lish> Eltham is nice
40:00 <Lish> Near Heidelberg
40:00 <anotherirc3r> ahhh
40:31 <Lish> Near Heidelberg
40:41 <anotherirc3r> ahhh
41:00 <ajnin1> west side
41:00 <ajnin1> for me its like going to a different world
41:00 <Lish> Where do you live again ajnin 
41:00 <Lish> I forget
41:00 <ajnin1> essendon area
41:00 <ajnin1> north west
41:00 <ajnin1> best of hte north and best of the west :)
41:00 <Lish> I thought eltham was north 
41:21 <ajnin1> west side
41:37 <ajnin1> for me its like going to a different world
41:39 <Lish> Where do you live again ajnin
41:41 <Lish> I forget
41:46 <ajnin1> essendon area
41:49 <ajnin1> north west
41:58 <ajnin1> best of hte north and best of the west :)
42:00 <ajnin1> lol really ?
42:00 <Lish> I think it is
42:00 <Lish> It's not west
42:00 <ajnin1> google time
42:03 <Lish> I thought eltham was north
42:46 <ajnin1> lol really ?
42:54 <Lish> I think it is
42:57 <Lish> It's not west
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43:00 <ajnin1> google time
44:00 <ajnin1> yea
44:00 <ajnin1> its my side
44:00 <ajnin1> whoooooooo
44:00 <ajnin1> fck....
44:00 <ajnin1> it part the ringroad!
44:00 <Lish> lol
44:00 <ajnin1> past!!
44:00 <ajnin1> thats far!
44:28 <ajnin1> yea
44:32 <ajnin1> its my side
44:34 <ajnin1> whoooooooo
44:39 <ajnin1> fck....
44:45 <ajnin1> it part the ringroad!
44:55 <Lish> lol
45:00 <anotherirc3r> sounds like a fun trip
45:00 <ajnin1> yea!! normally is LOL
45:00 <ajnin1> cause my mates are nutters
45:01 <ajnin1> past!!
45:04 <ajnin1> thats far!
45:15 <anotherirc3r> sounds like a fun trip
46:00 <ajnin1> yea!! normally is LOL
46:00 <ajnin1> i am watching A new hope
46:05 <ajnin1> cause my mates are nutters
47:00 <ajnin1> people would have jizzed so hard in 77
47:00 <ajnin1> when this came out
47:03 <ajnin1> i am watching A new hope
47:15 <ajnin1> people would have jizzed so hard in 77
47:18 <ajnin1> when this came out
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57:00 <anotherirc3r> haha
57:00 <anotherirc3r> yes
57:00 <anotherirc3r> wb Warren
58:01 <anotherirc3r> haha
58:01 <anotherirc3r> yes
58:04 <anotherirc3r> wb Warren
01:00 <Warren1984> thanks
01:00 <Warren1984> Jen
01:09 <Warren1984> thanks
01:14 <Warren1984> Jen
09:00 <Mx_Trump> quite a lot of fresh blood in pd recently
09:00 <Lish> Who
09:00 <Mx_Trump> 4,4 actually just the same losers from the clown show channels 
09:12 <Mx_Trump> quite a lot of fresh blood in pd recently
09:28 <Lish> Who
09:29 <Mx_Trump>  actually just the same losers from the clown show channels
10:00 <Warren1984> http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/spring-racing/melbourne-cup-carnage-you-dont-see-on-tv/story-fnf8690u-1227593767988
10:00 <progressive> [ Melbourne Cup: Fight breaks out in general admission section ] - www.news.com.au
10:28 <Warren1984> http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/spring-racing/melbourne-cup-carnage-you-dont-see-on-tv/story-fnf8690u-1227593767988
10:29 <progressive> [ Melbourne Cup: Fight breaks out in general admission section ] - www.news.com.au
12:00 <anotherirc3r> makes you so proud to live here
12:00 <Mx_Trump> pic of the day
12:00 <Mx_Trump> http://i.imgur.com/UA6BsiA.jpg
12:25 <anotherirc3r> makes you so proud to live here
12:38 <Mx_Trump> pic of the day
12:39 <Mx_Trump> http://i.imgur.com/UA6BsiA.jpg
16:00 <Lish> Is that you bretty
16:15 <Lish> Is that you bretty
17:00 <Mx_Trump> you know who that is
17:00 <Lish> No I don't?
17:42 <Mx_Trump> you know who that is
18:00 <ajnin1> fucking yobbos
18:00 <ajnin1> get a 500 buck suit and think they have class
18:02 <Lish> No I don't?
18:39 <ajnin1> fucking yobbos
18:51 <ajnin1> get a 500 buck suit and think they have class
19:00 <Mx_Trump> that is a pd visitor
19:00 <Lish> Who
19:00 <ajnin1> them idiots at the cuop
19:00 <ajnin1> getting smashed then punching on
19:00 <Lish> No I was talking to bretty lol
19:31 <Mx_Trump> that is a pd visitor
19:38 <Lish> Who
19:54 <ajnin1> them idiots at the cuop
20:00 <ajnin1> getting smashed then punching on
20:05 <Lish> No I was talking to bretty lol
26:11 Quit: Ozone ([email protected]) Ping timeout: 158 seconds
30:00 <Mx_Trump> is that loser lamar dead yet?
30:00 <Lish> Nope
30:00 <Lish> Making a good recovery 
30:22 <Mx_Trump> is that loser lamar dead yet?
31:00 <Lish> Nope
31:00 <Mx_Trump> that's a shame
31:04 <Lish> Making a good recovery
31:23 <Mx_Trump> that's a shame
33:35 Join: Marttin ([email protected]) to #politicaldebate
35:00 <Lish> It's good
35:18 Quit: wolframhart ([email protected]) Ping timeout: 121 seconds
35:29 <Lish> It's good
39:00 <Lish> I love Lamar
39:51 <Lish> I love Lamar
46:26 Quit: Lish ([email protected]) Ping timeout: 121 seconds
47:00 <myimmortal> hello my disciples 
47:20 <myimmortal> hello my disciples
53:00 <Mx_Trump> wheres polka?
53:33 <Mx_Trump> wheres polka?
54:00 <DoC> mendels stole it
54:58 <DoC> mendels stole it
55:00 <Mx_Trump> mandles cant afford polka
55:26 <Mx_Trump> mandles cant afford polka
55:28 Join: Lish ([email protected]) to #politicaldebate
56:00 <DoC> Lish bought some for mendels
56:00 <DoC> lolllllllllll
56:00 <anotherirc3r> what is polka?
56:40 <DoC> Lish bought some for mendels
56:42 <DoC> lolllllllllll
56:51 <anotherirc3r> what is polka?
58:00 <Mx_Trump> lollllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll
58:16 <Mx_Trump> lollllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll
58:29 Quit: Lish ([email protected]) Connection closed
04:00 <Lish> What did I buy for David
04:39 Join: Lish ([email protected]) to #politicaldebate
04:49 <Lish> What did I buy for David
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13:00 <Mx_Trump> mendles?
14:00 <Mx_Trump> oh
14:06 <Mx_Trump> mendles?
14:17 <Mx_Trump> oh
33:00 <xm> Military experts say a small bomb — either with a timer, or triggered by altitude — now appears to be the most likely cause of the Russian airliner crash in Egypt's Sinai desert.
33:00 <xm> any opinions?
33:50 <xm> Military experts say a small bomb — either with a timer, or triggered by altitude — now appears to be the most likely cause of the Russian airliner crash in Egypt's Sinai desert.
33:54 <xm> any opinions?
34:00 <xm> i only got home and read hte news, SUMMARIZE IT
35:00 <Mx_Trump> to soon to tell
35:05 <xm> i only got home and read hte news, SUMMARIZE IT
35:20 <Mx_Trump> to soon to tell
37:00 <anotherirc3r> xmendo!
37:31 <anotherirc3r> xmendo!
38:00 <xm> j-j-j-j-j-jj--j-jjendo
38:00 <xm> anotherirc3r: im happy to hear the plane didnt fall out of the sky and you are now safely back in melbourne
38:23 <xm> j-j-j-j-j-jj--j-jjendo
38:54 <xm> anotherirc3r: im happy to hear the plane didnt fall out of the sky and you are now safely back in melbourne
39:00 <anotherirc3r> thanks! :)
39:00 <anotherirc3r> how's you?!
39:00 <xm> bit tired and relaxing now
39:00 <xm> u?
39:16 <anotherirc3r> thanks! :)
39:20 <anotherirc3r> how's you?!
39:38 <xm> bit tired and relaxing now
39:39 <xm> u?
40:00 <anotherirc3r> good thanks :)
40:32 <anotherirc3r> good thanks :)
43:00 <xm> Haruko Obokata claimed to be able to turn adult cells into a stem-cell like state from which they could become any other cell.
43:00 <xm> However, mistakes were discovered in some data published in two papers, photograph captions were found to be misleading, and the work itself could not be replicated by other scientists, or by Ms Obokata herself.
43:00 <xm> just another day in the scientific world
43:28 <xm> Haruko Obokata claimed to be able to turn adult cells into a stem-cell like state from which they could become any other cell.
43:31 <xm> However, mistakes were discovered in some data published in two papers, photograph captions were found to be misleading, and the work itself could not be replicated by other scientists, or by Ms Obokata herself.
43:35 <xm> just another day in the scientific world
35:00 <IvanTheBastard> hello friends
35:30 <IvanTheBastard> hello friends
36:00 <anotherirc3r> heya Ivan
36:00 <IvanTheBastard> hi sweety
36:00 <IvanTheBastard> whats up
36:37 <anotherirc3r> heya Ivan
37:04 <IvanTheBastard> hi sweety
37:05 <IvanTheBastard> whats up
38:00 <anotherirc3r> not much! how's you?
38:24 <anotherirc3r> not much! how's you?
39:00 <IvanTheBastard> im good, just enjoying a late dinner
39:00 <IvanTheBastard> practised golf again today
39:00 <IvanTheBastard> startin to get abit better with my new clubs..
39:00 <anotherirc3r> you nerd lol
39:21 <IvanTheBastard> im good, just enjoying a late dinner
39:26 <IvanTheBastard> practised golf again today
39:43 <IvanTheBastard> startin to get abit better with my new clubs..
39:48 <anotherirc3r> you nerd lol
40:00 <IvanTheBastard> nerds dont play golf, only friggen champions
40:00 <IvanTheBastard> my dream is to quit work and play golf and go fishing during the day
40:00 <IvanTheBastard> then on the weekends go camping away from the city
40:15 <IvanTheBastard> nerds dont play golf, only friggen champions
40:46 <IvanTheBastard> my dream is to quit work and play golf and go fishing during the day
40:53 <IvanTheBastard> then on the weekends go camping away from the city
41:00 <IvanTheBastard> just need to get so good that people will pay me to play golf
41:00 <IvanTheBastard> unfortunately im a fair while off that, maybe another 20 years
41:00 <anotherirc3r> okay. let me know when - i'll watch
41:08 <IvanTheBastard> just need to get so good that people will pay me to play golf
41:17 <IvanTheBastard> unfortunately im a fair while off that, maybe another 20 years
41:22 <anotherirc3r> okay. let me know when - i'll watch
42:00 <IvanTheBastard> for some reason i dont believe you
42:00 <anotherirc3r> why!?
42:40 <IvanTheBastard> for some reason i dont believe you
42:48 <anotherirc3r> why!?
43:00 <IvanTheBastard> does golf usually bore you?
43:00 <anotherirc3r> never seen it in person.. only on TV
43:00 <anotherirc3r> will you be like Happy Gilmore/
43:26 <IvanTheBastard> does golf usually bore you?
44:00 <IvanTheBastard> really? you've never tried to play?
44:00 <IvanTheBastard> you're what, 25 and you've never tried golf?
44:00 <IvanTheBastard> (but yes i will be like happy gilmore, only less happy)
44:02 <anotherirc3r> never seen it in person.. only on TV
44:08 <anotherirc3r> will you be like Happy Gilmore/
44:18 <IvanTheBastard> really? you've never tried to play?
44:25 <IvanTheBastard> you're what, 25 and you've never tried golf?
44:56 <IvanTheBastard> (but yes i will be like happy gilmore, only less happy)
45:00 <anotherirc3r> haha awesome
46:00 <anotherirc3r> 25?
46:00 <anotherirc3r> oh, i like you
46:07 <anotherirc3r> haha awesome
46:11 <anotherirc3r> 25?
46:13 <anotherirc3r> oh, i like you
47:00 <IvanTheBastard> ;)
47:00 <xm> golf is fun, except for the sun or when it goes in the water
47:43 <IvanTheBastard> ;)
47:56 <xm> golf is fun, except for the sun or when it goes in the water
48:00 <xm> you have to golf a bit though if you want to network
48:16 <xm> you have to golf a bit though if you want to network
49:00 <Warren1984> Tigger_ save him -> http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/newslocal/inner-west/summer-hill-horse-has-been-told-it-is-time-to-go-by-ashfield-council/story-fngr8h4f-1227590420826#itm=newscomau%7Chome%7Cnca-homepage-news-plus-story%7C1%7Cheading%7Chomepage%7Chomepage&itmt=1446554898783
49:00 <progressive> [ No Cookies | dailytelegraph.com.au ] - www.dailytelegraph.com.au
49:00 <IvanTheBastard> xm, you dont have to
49:00 <Warren1984> clip clop needs a step brother
49:00 <IvanTheBastard> but there is a certain amount of respect for good golfers in the corporate world
49:00 <Mx_Trump> what sort of clubs IvanTheBastard?
49:00 <Warren1984> Yawny
49:00 <xm> IvanTheBastard: yeah, it's not necessary. but a lot of my boss' contacts play golf
49:00 <Warren1984> how is Brett Dells stinker
49:09 <Warren1984> Tigger_ save him -> http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/newslocal/inner-west/summer-hill-horse-has-been-told-it-is-time-to-go-by-ashfield-council/story-fngr8h4f-1227590420826#itm=newscomau%7Chome%7Cnca-homepage-news-plus-story%7C1%7Cheading%7Chomepage%7Chomepage&itmt=1446554898783
49:10 <progressive> [ No Cookies | dailytelegraph.com.au ] - www.dailytelegraph.com.au
49:24 <IvanTheBastard> xm, you dont have to
49:26 <Warren1984> clip clop needs a step brother
49:37 <IvanTheBastard> but there is a certain amount of respect for good golfers in the corporate world
49:39 <Mx_Trump> what sort of clubs IvanTheBastard?
49:51 <Warren1984> Yawny
49:53 <xm> IvanTheBastard: yeah, it's not necessary. but a lot of my boss' contacts play golf
50:00 <IvanTheBastard> bretty - Callaway Apex
50:00 <xm> i cant stand networking stuff. there is a big piss up for work for christmas, ill probably skip that
50:00 <xm> work, clients, sales etc
50:02 <Warren1984> how is Brett Dells stinker
50:12 <IvanTheBastard> bretty - Callaway Apex
50:57 <xm> i cant stand networking stuff. there is a big piss up for work for christmas, ill probably skip that
51:00 <xm> 50+
51:00 <Mx_Trump> what does Day use? 
51:00 <Warren1984> Tigger_ put this into cherry tree -> 
51:00 <Warren1984> HORSE RULES
51:00 <Warren1984> ● All waste from the pony is to be removed twice a day
51:00 <Warren1984> ● A barrier be installed to keep the pony away from the common side boundary fence
51:00 <Warren1984> ● Maintain a satisfactory layer of wood chips in rear yard
51:00 <Warren1984> ● Council reserves right to require the horse be removed from premises at any time
51:00 <Warren1984> ● No other pony or horse be kept on premises at any time
51:00 <Warren1984> ● Yard area where Harley is kept to be maintained clean and tidy condition at all times
51:07 <xm> work, clients, sales etc
51:11 <xm> 50+
51:26 <Mx_Trump> what does Day use?
51:59 <Warren1984> Tigger_ put this into cherry tree ->
52:01 <Warren1984> HORSE RULES
52:01 <Warren1984> ● All waste from the pony is to be removed twice a day
52:01 <Warren1984> ● A barrier be installed to keep the pony away from the common side boundary fence
52:01 <Warren1984> ● Maintain a satisfactory layer of wood chips in rear yard
52:02 <Warren1984> ● Council reserves right to require the horse be removed from premises at any time
52:02 <Warren1984> ● No other pony or horse be kept on premises at any time
52:02 <Warren1984> ● Yard area where Harley is kept to be maintained clean and tidy condition at all times
53:00 <IvanTheBastard> i think he plays with the forged Taylormades
53:53 <IvanTheBastard> i think he plays with the forged Taylormades
54:00 <IvanTheBastard> rsi2 or something
54:00 <xm> IvanTheBastard: and also a good weapon for near your bed?
54:38 <IvanTheBastard> rsi2 or something
54:50 <xm> IvanTheBastard: and also a good weapon for near your bed?
56:00 <IvanTheBastard> it would just be advertising / product placement anyway, if you were as good as him it wouldnt matter which brand he uses
56:00 <IvanTheBastard> anything forged and fitted right would be good for him, he just may get a tad extra distance between brands if hes lucky
56:00 <IvanTheBastard> xm the only reason my golf clubs are next to my bed are so i can kiss them good night
56:09 <IvanTheBastard> it would just be advertising / product placement anyway, if you were as good as him it wouldnt matter which brand he uses
56:33 <IvanTheBastard> anything forged and fitted right would be good for him, he just may get a tad extra distance between brands if hes lucky
57:00 <IvanTheBastard> i wouldnt waste one on some invading criminal
57:00 <IvanTheBastard> i have a pistol for that
57:00 <xm> lol
57:00 <xm> do you have a gun for real
57:07 <IvanTheBastard> xm the only reason my golf clubs are next to my bed are so i can kiss them good night
57:20 <IvanTheBastard> i wouldnt waste one on some invading criminal
57:40 <IvanTheBastard> i have a pistol for that
57:56 <xm> lol
58:00 <xm> do you have a gun for real
58:00 <xm> i would love one, just wonder how it would go with my mental history
58:00 <IvanTheBastard> i'll leave that to your imagination
58:00 <xm> ok, since you're a nerd, probably a Nerf gun
58:00 <IvanTheBastard> xm, could cops discover if you had a history of mental illness
58:00 <xm> anotherirc3r said you're a nerd it;s true
58:21 <xm> i would love one, just wonder how it would go with my mental history
58:26 <IvanTheBastard> i'll leave that to your imagination
58:44 <xm> ok, since you're a nerd, probably a Nerf gun
58:52 <IvanTheBastard> xm, could cops discover if you had a history of mental illness
58:54 <xm> anotherirc3r said you're a nerd it;s true
59:00 <IvanTheBastard> Jen just wants to believe im a nerd so she doesnt feel bad about not meeting me when she came to Perth
59:00 <xm> IvanTheBastard: im not sure what the reasons you can list for having one. hunting is one i can think of
59:00 <anotherirc3r> hehe awwwwww!
59:00 <xm> self defence wont work
59:00 <anotherirc3r> don't make me feel bad
59:00 <Mx_Trump> IvanTheBastard the problem with meeting you is that you are married
59:26 <IvanTheBastard> Jen just wants to believe im a nerd so she doesnt feel bad about not meeting me when she came to Perth
59:28 <xm> IvanTheBastard: im not sure what the reasons you can list for having one. hunting is one i can think of
59:37 <anotherirc3r> hehe awwwwww!
59:40 <xm> self defence wont work
59:40 <anotherirc3r> don't make me feel bad
59:51 <Mx_Trump> IvanTheBastard the problem with meeting you is that you are married
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