// #marryatvillehs — 2006-11-20
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13:41:01 <aSH^> hm
13:41:13 <aSH^> anyone wanna tell me what they think of this sytem?
13:41:15 <aSH^> http://support.netspot.com.au/ash/pcspec.pdf
13:41:29 <aSH^> i'm not necessarily ordering from that place, i'm just using it to put together an idea for a system
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15:08:05 <aSH^> ey
15:15:36 <aSH^> all ords is crumblin maaaaa
15:23:03 <Carson> yeah, down heaps :(
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16:11:50 <aSH^> does netwealth have chat rooms?
16:12:16 <Carson> not that i'm aware of
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16:18:17 <aSH^> my whole watchlist is red today
16:18:19 <aSH^> i hate days like that
16:22:54 <Carson> https://www.sharetrading.netwealth.com.au/
16:22:56 <Carson> quality site
16:22:57 <Carson> :(
16:26:40 <aSH^> haha
16:26:45 <aSH^> double error
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16:32:59 <Taliesin> hey
16:33:02 <Taliesin> whats happening
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16:43:40 <aSH^> hey stef you there?
16:43:48 <aSH^> or Simulacrum
16:48:15 <Carson> most of my shares have stayed the same
16:48:26 <Carson> afi up 5c, arg down 7c, vcr down half a cent
17:04:06 <aSH^> all ords finished down 88
17:04:48 <Carson> Australian stocks fell, led by Telstra Corp. as investors sold their existing shares in the nation's biggest telephone company to buy new stock following the government's A$15.5 billion ($11.9 billion) equity offering.
17:07:02 <aSH^> yeah
17:07:04 <aSH^> TLSCA up 9%, TLS down 10% over the past week
17:08:45 <JarZ> hihi
17:08:55 <aSH^> sup andrew
17:09:04 <JarZ> bought a new HU
17:09:08 <aSH^> nice
17:09:10 <aSH^> installed yet?
17:09:15 <JarZ> nah just got home
17:09:19 <aSH^> what did you get?
17:09:28 <JarZ> a nice kenwood
17:09:39 <aSH^> stats etc pls
17:09:45 <JarZ> erms
17:09:48 <JarZ> wat stats plzzz
17:10:03 <aSH^> how many channels/wattage, plus features
17:10:37 <JarZ> 4x50w, mp3/wma/etc support
17:10:46 <JarZ> most importantly, it supports my cd changer
17:10:52 <aSH^> cool
17:10:56 <JarZ> ...well, it should. i'll be pretty cut if it doesn't
17:11:07 <JarZ> since that's the only reason i got it over a pioneer, sony, or alpine
17:11:23 <aSH^> hmmm how does that work.. would it be able to read mp3 cds in your changer? or does the changer only send back the audio signal
17:11:27 <JarZ> but there's no reason why it wont support it
17:11:50 <JarZ> i'm not entirely sure. it'll be cool if the cds in the changer support mp3 though
17:11:57 <JarZ> it depends on how they've done it really
17:12:03 <JarZ> depends what signal is sent back etc
17:12:07 <Carson> unlikely it'll work that way
17:12:10 <aSH^> yah
17:12:12 <Carson> but yeah, it does depend...
17:16:20 <JarZ> oh also it's got a remote
17:16:30 <JarZ> by the looks of things it should support mp3s with the changer, too
17:17:12 <Carson> how much?
17:17:38 <Carson> ($)
17:17:40 <JarZ> $200
17:17:47 <Carson> cool
17:18:28 <JarZ> http://www.kenwoodaudio.com/Australia/prodDetails.asp?Cat=Car%20Entertainment&SubCat=Head%20Unit&Model=KDC-MP4033/4033S
17:18:30 <JarZ> that's it
17:18:43 <aSH^> did you pick up a sub while you were there?
17:19:05 <aSH^> wow, is that TWO nobs?
17:20:00 <JarZ> nah the one on the right is a joystick type thing
17:20:06 <JarZ> i didn't get a sub lol
17:20:09 <JarZ> i can't afford it
17:20:15 <JarZ> i really shouldnt've even bought this
17:21:15 <aSH^> now you no longer have a knobless head unit
17:21:28 <JarZ> correct
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19:31:25 <JarZ> car stereo installation is so much more irritating by yourself than with a group of people :(
19:32:35 <stefan> anyone on an agile dslam, change your profile to MAX24-M, seems to sync higher regardless of whether you get 2+ or have a CPE that supports annex-m
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20:22:45 <aSH^> heyas
20:22:55 <aSH^> so who wants to plan a trip to beijing in 2008 for the games?
20:24:19 <Timegrinder> I think I'm going that way in '08 anyway, haha
20:25:04 <aSH^> hey
20:25:20 <aSH^> can you tell me what you think of this system
20:25:21 <aSH^> http://support.netspot.com.au/ash/pcspec.pdf
20:25:56 <aSH^> any major bottlenecks in that? and also how much cheaper could you guys do that kinda system for
20:26:11 <aSH^> also is all that hardware compatible?
20:30:26 <Timegrinder> you should probably make that ram 800mhz since the system supports it
20:31:12 <Timegrinder> I'll take a comparitive look at the individual products in a couple of minutes
20:31:21 <Timegrinder> currently 'on the job' haha
20:33:49 <aSH^> k. can't see any 800mhz ram. assuming ddr2-667 means 667MHz
20:35:38 <Timegrinder> yeah
20:35:46 <Timegrinder> DDR2-800 is widely available in various brands
20:35:48 <Timegrinder> mainly Corsair
20:36:14 <stefan> and I've got a pair of corsair ddr2 800mhz sitting here, and another on the way :)
20:36:19 <Timegrinder> haha
20:38:48 <aSH^> ah k i can see them in that shop now, they mainly have 2x512MB packs
20:38:53 <Timegrinder> yeah
20:39:04 <stefan> these are 2x1gb :)
20:39:05 <Timegrinder> we can get 512, 2x512, 1024, 2x1024 andI think 2048 even now
20:39:06 <aSH^> stef whaddya think of that comp?
20:40:47 <stefan> pretty good, may swap a few things though
20:41:21 <stefan> probably go from the 4200+ to the 4400+ too though (which is what I have)
20:41:27 <stefan> 4200 is 512k cache, 4400 is 1mb
20:44:17 <aSH^> also what about SATA II? there doesn't seem to be as big a range of boards that support that
20:44:19 <aSH^> is it worth going for?
20:44:32 <stefan> negligable difference between I & II
20:44:39 <stefan> with current disks anyway
20:44:56 <Timegrinder> I didn't see that question :(
20:45:19 <JarZ> disks don't even nearly get close to 150mb/sec, except in tiny bursts from cache
20:45:24 <JarZ> so it's pretty much pointless
20:45:25 <Timegrinder> S-ATA2's just 3.00gb/s as opposed to 1.50gb/s, most disks don't even touch 1.5 as it is
20:45:26 <stefan> I would however try and avoid samsung for disks, go WD for a little more, and probably more economical to go for 2 disks
20:45:29 <stefan> yeah
20:45:58 <JarZ> uh, 1.5gb? you mean 300mb vs 150mb
20:46:39 * JarZ giggles
20:46:44 <JarZ> from serialata.org..
20:46:46 <JarZ> Serial ATADispelling the Confusion: SATA II does not mean 3Gb/s ...
20:46:46 <JarZ> haha
20:46:57 <aSH^> ok and am i correct in thinking pci express is the fastest bus for graphics (agp is old?)
20:47:04 <Timegrinder> yeah
20:47:05 <stefan> yeah ash, hard/expensive to get agp now
20:47:10 <stefan> well, good agp anyway
20:47:24 <JarZ> yah pcie is the current standard
20:47:31 <Timegrinder> er, yeah
20:47:38 <Timegrinder> I don't know why, but I argued it was mb/s ages ago
20:47:49 <Timegrinder> then for some reason recently started saying it was gb
20:47:50 <stefan> not sure about their graphics cards, but I'd see if you can find another board manufacturer with a similar board, maybe asus
20:48:00 <stefan> that said, I've got a gigabyte in this myself, and it's been ok
20:48:58 <aSH^> i'm looking to get most of that stuff from one supplier to simplify things.. i will go with you guys if you can do a decent price. i'll probably shop around for the lcd though
20:49:02 <JarZ> apparently it *is* gb/sec... but surely they mean bits not bytes... *shrug*
20:49:17 <Timegrinder> haha
20:49:19 <Timegrinder> I'd say bits
20:49:27 <Timegrinder> I always thought gB/s was too fast
20:49:46 <JarZ> god damnit now i'm researching it because i hate being out of the loop
20:49:54 <Timegrinder> cry more
20:51:37 <aSH^> ok well yeah if the disk speed is nowhere near that then i don't really care
20:52:31 <JarZ> LOL
20:52:31 <JarZ> they're both right..
20:52:31 <JarZ> 1.5 gigabits per second (Gb/s). Serial ATA uses 8B/10B encoding at the physical layer. This encoding scheme has an efficiency of 80%, resulting in an actual data transfer rate of 1.2 Gbit/s, or 150 megabytes per second (MB/s
20:53:25 <Timegrinder> yeah, I just remembered that everywhere I've seen it it's been 'Gb/s'
20:53:32 <Timegrinder> but lol, nice
20:58:12 <Timegrinder> alrighty, now I'm done
20:59:28 <aSH^> i like the 22" display :)
21:01:40 <Timegrinder> haha, yeah
21:01:47 <Timegrinder> I wasn't going to change that up or down, just look at other brands
21:02:08 <aSH^> viewsonic was similar priced
21:02:50 <aSH^> dual core AM2 is a good choice for cpu?
21:03:02 <Timegrinder> It's the best AMD have to offer now without going ridiculous
21:03:14 <aSH^> there is also socket 939
21:03:21 <Timegrinder> 939's old and no longer manufactured
21:03:38 <Timegrinder> AM2's the most recent, but in either case, none of them are really upgradable
21:04:33 <Timegrinder> Difference between them and Intel are that Intel's just brought out core2duo CPU's for their SocketT/775 cpu line, AMD's due to bring out their next generation cpu mid 07
21:04:49 <Timegrinder> unsure when intel's due for their next generation, but their Core2Quad's are coming out for purchase early next year
21:05:07 <Timegrinder> Ah, actually, there's already one core2quad available
21:05:29 <Timegrinder> Bit pricey, gets you 8.6 ghz of power or something ridiculous like that from memory
21:06:29 <Timegrinder> I certainly wouldnt' suggest buying a core2quad now, however it leaves a nice space for upgradability next year
21:06:36 <Timegrinder> (getting an intel based system I mean)
21:07:53 <Timegrinder> however, your kb/mouse and case choices are based on those specific products aren't they?
21:08:02 <Timegrinder> (eg, I won't touch them other than price comparison)
21:09:00 <aSH^> kb/mouse i just want wireless, and don't really care about all those media buttons. and as for case, there were so many choices and it doesn't really matter to me, other than the fact i want a good quality psu
21:10:19 <Timegrinder> ah okay
21:12:00 <aSH^> although there was an awesoem looking "matrix" case that i saw a lil while ago on the getright site
21:12:02 <aSH^> can't find it now
21:13:20 <stefan> we're actually getting a case just like that in atm too, pretty good value one, most of the nice looking ones aren't
21:13:43 <aSH^> http://www.geeks.com/products.asp?cat=CAS
21:13:45 <aSH^> wtf those cases are so damn cheap
21:14:07 <stefan> yeah, but the psu in it will probably fry and take out your hardware too
21:14:12 <stefan> or at least not handle the load it's meant to
21:14:21 <aSH^> which psu?
21:14:28 <stefan> in those cheap ones
21:14:37 <stefan> antec psus are some of the best
21:16:20 <aSH^> i don't want a window in the side, but aluminium buttons look cool
21:16:58 <stefan> yeah
21:17:26 <aSH^> ah found it
21:17:27 <aSH^> http://www.cdrinfo.com/Sections/Reviews/Specific.aspx?ArticleId=16838
21:17:31 <aSH^> that's the case i like :p
21:17:50 <stefan> ahhh, yes, I know that one
21:17:56 <Timegrinder> ah that one
21:18:31 <stefan> 120mm fan, with another optional too
21:23:43 <aSH^> that case has clips for everything too
21:36:30 <aSH^> so have you guys been getting much business?
21:36:58 <aSH^> lol your web site is still under construction :P
21:37:13 <aSH^> hasn't that been like 2 years?
21:37:29 <Timegrinder> Yes, and nearly 3
21:38:03 <aSH^> nice one
21:38:27 <Timegrinder> Did you specifically want 1x1024MB stick? I think I find out why you didn't find DDR2-800 if that's what you were looking for
21:39:06 <aSH^> if the board only has 2 slots then i'd prefer 1x1GB so that i can add more ram in later
21:39:59 <aSH^> lol @ chromestorm audio logo
21:40:02 <aSH^> that's actually scary
21:40:36 <stefan> hah
21:40:42 <aSH^> it kinda reminds me of the soviet union
21:41:53 <Timegrinder> someone else said it looked like some old indian thing (as in red indian not black indian)
21:42:47 <Timegrinder> I was more insinuating you might be able to get 2x1024MB DDR2-800 easily, since it appears to be either 2x512mb 800 or 2x1024mb 800 and no 1x1024mb 800
22:01:05 <JarZ> lame
22:01:13 <JarZ> my cd changer DOESNT work with my new head unit
22:01:14 <JarZ> :(
22:07:15 <aSH^> if the mobo says "SATA 3.0Gb/sec" does that mean SATA-II?
22:07:45 <JarZ> would do
22:09:49 <aSH^> nice
22:10:00 <aSH^> i'm putting together a similar system on the getright site which is awesomely cheap
22:11:21 <JarZ> nice
22:11:26 <JarZ> top gear is such an awesome show
22:11:32 <JarZ> i want a new mercedes s class :(
22:12:02 <aSH^> lol
22:12:24 <aSH^> is that the one where he gets really pissed off with the voice commands?
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22:16:24 <JarZ> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_W221
22:16:25 <JarZ> :D
22:16:31 <JarZ> he didn't get pissed off, he loved it
22:16:41 <JarZ> the bmw voice command system sucks though, apparently
22:19:45 <aSH^> i saw one where he hated it
22:20:07 <aSH^> he spent all day trying to program in a new radio station
22:20:14 <aSH^> they showed the sun going down and everything
22:22:12 <aSH^> http://support.netspot.com.au/ash/getright.html
22:22:14 <aSH^> check dat shit out
22:22:41 <aSH^> $2k11
22:24:02 <stefan> wrong ram for one
22:24:10 <stefan> that's PC-4200, you want PC2-6400 ideally
22:24:49 <Timegrinder> he did say it was cheap
22:25:26 <stefan> oh, it's actually PC2-4200 despite the label
22:25:33 <aSH^> the board can change
22:25:43 <aSH^> the board is the thing i'm finding hardest to choose really
22:26:12 <aSH^> 2x ethernet would be nice
22:26:25 <stefan> yeah, a lot have dual gbe
22:28:04 <aSH^> actually yeah that memory is not what i meant to choose
22:30:22 <aSH^> http://support.netspot.com.au/ash/getright.html
22:30:25 <aSH^> that's what i actually meant
22:32:17 <aSH^> so $20 more
22:34:04 <stefan> may as well go for the WD KS too instead of the JS, costs slightly more but double cache
22:36:21 <aSH^> hm the JS is actually cheaper at that shop too
22:36:23 <aSH^> nice
22:43:01 <aSH^> this is gonna be a damn nice comp
22:45:25 <aSH^> how often do you need to change batteries in an optical keyboard, and does that get annoying?
22:45:27 <aSH^> err
22:45:30 <aSH^> wireless keyboard :P
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23:04:13 <aSH^> S class would be awesoem
23:04:21 <aSH^> i just watched the top gear segment you were talking about
23:04:23 <JarZ> yes
23:04:32 <aSH^> guy at netcraft used to have one of these --> http://www.carsales.com.au/pls/carsales/!cs_content.private_vehicle?total_rec=24&search_distance=25&selected_model=119&vehicle_id=3132002&state_id=-1¤t_rec=1&search_type=20&model_id=3903&used_rec=18&make_id=12&category_id=3
23:16:39 <aSH^> hm this comp will be sick mate
23:16:52 <aSH^> just need to sort out mobo/video card
23:17:19 <aSH^> the rest seems ok
23:17:25 <aSH^> not many places seem to sell the 4400+
23:30:17 <aSH^> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buyPQPQ9tkU&mode=related&search=
23:30:22 <aSH^> hahaha, they totaly fucked up that s-class
23:30:42 <aSH^> rofl @ the wood burning oven and chimney
23:31:04 <JarZ> ahahahahahah
23:31:10 <JarZ> i was just watching that episode
23:31:18 <JarZ> i got a bunch of top gear eps from anthony :D
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