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00:06:21 <aSH^> ey
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00:30:18 <Taliesin> hey
00:41:53 <Taliesin> whats happening
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12:25:57 <stefan> -NickOP([email protected])- Password mismatch for scripters
12:26:03 <damian> hrm
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12:26:14 <damian> walktalkisdal33t
12:26:21 <damian> all the common scripters passwords
12:26:29 <stefan> neg
12:27:35 <damian> ahhh, yo ujust took over my screen, gotcha!
12:27:48 <damian> too much buffer to sift through? :P
12:28:30 <damian> anywho, i must depart!
12:28:57 <scripters> quite the opposite, not enough
12:31:02 <damian> press the up arrow enough times to find the /msg
12:31:03 <damian> lol
12:32:44 <damian> well, i must be off. i'll see you later!
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17:55:15 <Dylan2> hey
17:57:12 <JarZ> eya
17:57:18 <JarZ> sup?
18:03:25 <Carson> http://unixepoch.com/index.htm
18:03:52 <Carson> that'll be worse than the 'y2k bug'
18:03:58 <Timegrinder> hahaha
18:04:05 <Timegrinder> yeah, I thought that when I first came across it
18:04:45 <JarZ> the 2026 limit or whatever it is?
18:05:04 <Carson> 38, yeah
18:05:27 <JarZ> lol
18:05:46 <JarZ> hopefully we wont be using a 60 year old operating system by then
18:05:55 <JarZ> :)
18:06:28 <Dylan2> or at least a 64bit system
18:06:50 <Timegrinder> yeah...
18:07:02 <Carson> and everyone will say "thats plenty of time"
18:07:12 <Carson> and then like another hundred years later "omfg, we screwed"
18:07:20 <Carson> (for the record, i haven't done the math on this)
18:09:05 <aSH^> maybe everyone will get timewarped back into the 70s and start partying
18:09:11 <Timegrinder> hahaha
18:10:46 <aSH^> 64 bits = 2^32 times as long as a 32 bit counter
18:10:53 <aSH^> so like ~500 billion years
18:10:53 <JarZ> Carson; a 64bit system adds thousands, if not millions of years if i recall correctly
18:11:02 <Carson> yes...
18:11:08 <Carson> i didn't think of the specifics
18:11:14 <JarZ> ah
18:11:18 <JarZ> even more than i thought
18:11:21 <Carson> it was basically "longer than 60 years" and "it'd be funny if they were still using it"
18:11:21 <JarZ> lol
18:11:21 <Timegrinder> He also didn't give any specifics :P
18:11:45 <Timegrinder> It would be, but hopefully with the advances in computing we wouldn't be running <128 within a couple of decades
18:12:08 <aSH^> but if you were using a 64 bit timestamp it'd probably be more useful to have more precision on it, so it might be a microsecond counter or something rather than seconds
18:12:25 <Timegrinder> which means they're still fucked, hahahaha
18:12:27 <Timegrinder> good work ash
18:12:51 <aSH^> well that'd still be 500 MILLION years :P
18:13:05 <Timegrinder> Okay, I lose
18:13:07 <Timegrinder> I wasn't paying enough attention
18:13:14 <Timegrinder> oh
18:13:16 <Dylan2> a signed 64 bit integer, which would be enough for the next 300,000 years in microsecond resolution
18:13:19 <Timegrinder> I thought you said 500million to begin with :P
18:13:37 <Timegrinder> So in other words, we're still good untikl the sun dies?
18:13:37 <Timegrinder> haha
18:13:59 <aSH^> yeah so unsigned = 600,000
18:14:09 <Timegrinder> That's not 500 million!
18:14:15 <Timegrinder> ITS NOT EVEN CLOSE!
18:14:21 <Dylan2> signed = what exactly
18:14:42 <aSH^> signed means you lose 1 bit to represent the +/- sign
18:14:49 <Dylan2> ic
18:15:08 <aSH^> also my calculations were based on $duration($calc(2^64))
18:15:13 <aSH^> 30500568904943wks 7hrs
18:15:32 <aSH^> 30500568904943 / 52 = 586549402018
18:15:36 <Timegrinder> yeah
18:15:39 <Timegrinder> I see that
18:15:47 <aSH^> so 500 billion years if you use seconds?
18:15:52 <Timegrinder> 586 billion
18:16:15 <aSH^> ok so my mistake must be in how small a microsecond is :P
18:16:19 <aSH^> i was thinking 1/1000th
18:16:24 <aSH^> must be a millionth
18:16:31 <Timegrinder> yeah
18:16:35 <Timegrinder> 1000th is a milisecond
18:16:54 <Timegrinder> milli1000, micro 1000000, nano 1000000000
18:17:08 <Timegrinder> +th's where appropriate
18:18:11 <aSH^> hehe
18:18:37 <aSH^> so 300,000 years with microsecond precision sounds like a pretty good deal
18:19:23 <aSH^> if we ever got past that, we probably would still blame ourselves for being shortsighted :p
18:19:31 <Dylan2> the 302006 problem
18:20:11 <stefan> yeah, well there's 2038 first
18:20:13 <aSH^> when they made ip addresses 32 bits they would have been thinking how massive it was
18:20:44 <JarZ> yeah.. only a few unis, big businesses and the military would ever need ip addresses!
18:20:45 <JarZ> haaha
18:21:03 <aSH^> i like ipv6, 28 bits just so we'll never ever ever have a problem :P the universe would probably implode or something before then lol
18:21:07 <aSH^> er 128 bits even
18:21:23 <Timegrinder> Hahaha
18:21:27 <Timegrinder> intergalactic internet
18:21:38 <Timegrinder> billions of IP addresses per planet, hundreds of inhabitable planets
18:21:52 <Timegrinder> take into account possible terraforming, you're looking at what, an average or two, maybe three planets per system?
18:22:10 <Timegrinder> how many stars? :|
18:22:59 <Timegrinder> Yeah, so we're still coming up with fuckloads to spare
18:23:08 <Timegrinder> assuming 99,999 systems with 3 planets each
18:23:11 <aSH^> With IPv6, it is even harder to conceive that the IPv6 address space will be consumed. To help put this number in perspective, a 128-bit address space provides 655,570,793,348,866,943,898,599 (6.5 � 10^23) addresses for every square meter of the Earth's surface.
18:23:29 <Timegrinder> hhahaha
18:23:49 <Timegrinder> Okay, so we turn the planet into a giant city, will that do it?
18:24:08 <Timegrinder> Complete with several hundred story high buildings covering the entire surface of the planet
18:24:47 <Dylan2> " for every square meter" need some damm tall buildings
18:25:21 <aSH^> lol
18:25:38 <Timegrinder> yeah, I was going to work out cubic metres
18:25:46 <Timegrinder> and then find out how tall 100 stories is on an average building
18:26:28 <aSH^> assuming 1 trillion people can plug their laptops in per meter squared floor, the buildings would only have to have 600 billion floors
18:26:48 <Timegrinder> one giant building covering the entire planet?
18:26:56 <Timegrinder> and does their calculation assume sea as well as land or just land?
18:27:05 <aSH^> i think sea as well
18:27:09 <Timegrinder> Alright alright, ignore me talking about the earth
18:27:16 <Timegrinder> how about we build a fucking humongous dyson spwhere?
18:27:18 <Timegrinder> Will that do it?
18:27:22 <Timegrinder> Since, you know, its SPACE and all
18:27:34 <Timegrinder> We could go build a sphere around the milky way galaxy
18:27:47 <aSH^> 510,065,600 km�
18:27:52 <aSH^> (surface area of the earth)
18:28:13 <aSH^> so * 1 mill for cm^2?
18:28:17 <aSH^> i think
18:28:25 <aSH^> er meters squared i mean
18:28:37 <Timegrinder> *1000
18:28:42 <Timegrinder> 1000m in a km
18:29:21 <aSH^> but isn't a kilometer squared 1000*1000 meters?
18:30:17 <Timegrinder> hmm, hang on
18:30:19 <aSH^> its always confusing with area cos "kilometer squared" and "square kilometer" can mean different things i think
18:30:34 <Timegrinder> yeah
18:30:40 <Timegrinder> square km is 250*250*250*250
18:30:51 <Timegrinder> and km squared is 1000*1000*1000*1000
18:30:52 <Timegrinder> from memory
18:31:08 <aSH^> wtf @ 4d
18:31:15 <Timegrinder> each side
18:31:22 <Timegrinder> I wasn't using dimensions, sorry
18:31:28 <Timegrinder> 250*250, 1000*1000
18:31:29 <Timegrinder> Better? :P
18:31:32 <aSH^> oic
18:32:41 <Timegrinder> okay, somehow 1000 square metres doesn't fit into a square km, its off by 990000 square metres
18:32:46 <Timegrinder> so yeah, lets go with yours, my calculations are shit
18:34:17 <aSH^> i think a squared kilometer is 1km * 1km
18:34:24 <aSH^> so a million squared meters
18:35:27 <aSH^> aha! all i had to do was click on the km^2 that i was reading. i love wikipedia
18:35:42 <aSH^> yeah its a million
18:37:10 <aSH^> 2^128 / 510065600000000
18:37:10 <aSH^> 667134515483770055191674
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18:37:35 <aSH^> 655570793348866943898599
18:37:45 <aSH^> yes its counting sea
18:39:08 <aSH^> that microsoft site must've used a slightly different number for the surface area of the earth though
18:39:20 <Timegrinder> ah
18:39:26 <Timegrinder> maybe the earth got bigger
18:39:28 <aSH^> but those numbers are pretty close
18:39:31 <Timegrinder> or they're not counting the parts of the world bill gates ownes
18:39:52 <Timegrinder> yeah, only 12gajillion square metres off
18:39:57 <aSH^> lol
18:45:31 <aSH^> how's the study been going dylan?
18:45:41 <aSH^> i've got tomorrow off work to study for my exam on sat
18:59:35 <Taliesin> hey
19:04:44 <aSH^> sup
19:06:53 <Taliesin> nm just going to work now
19:22:06 <aSH^> damn, the borat movie isn't out yet
20:06:12 <aSH^> so anyone wanna meet up tonight for an early one?
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