// #d&d — 2011-07-24
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00:16:35 <Avatar> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JA4EPRbWhQ
00:20:55 <Ballig> do you actually want me to program an undo function before releasing this build
00:22:40 <Ballig> why did this guy need to video his rant
00:22:40 <Avatar> how hard is it
00:22:43 <Ballig> why couldn't he just type it
00:22:52 <Ballig> the undo function would be significant, might take me a week or two
00:22:55 <Avatar> it has enthusiasm
00:23:00 <Avatar> release the build first then
00:23:07 <Avatar> can you save maps with lines yet
00:23:25 <Ballig> yeah I think I just worked out the last few bugs with that
00:23:43 <Avatar> I'd kind of like to redraw the LSK map
00:23:46 <Avatar> in the lizardfolk's lair
00:23:59 <Avatar> it's kind of an abomination because I couldnt' draw it properly
00:24:02 <Ballig> this guy is a bit of a misogynist
00:24:45 <Avatar> actually now that I think about it, having unsnapped lines would work for parts of that LSK map
00:26:59 <Ballig> dccallow me
00:27:11 <Avatar> done
00:27:14 <Avatar> I thought you were still dccallowed
00:27:18 <Avatar> I always put like 9999999999
00:27:24 <Avatar> Avatar Ballig is already on your DCCALLOW list
00:27:50 <Ballig> huh for some reason I just tried to send that to brunius
00:27:56 <Ballig> even though you were the last person I sent a file to, it had brunius in the box
00:28:44 <Ballig> the different way I compiled my Qt this time has actually resulted in the executable being less than half the size
00:28:53 <Ballig> the currently released devca.exe is over 12mb
00:28:55 <Ballig> this one is under 6
00:30:22 <Avatar> the only one trying to exile anyone from cove is mm shiver himself
00:30:34 <Ballig> is mm shiver the new king
00:30:39 <Avatar> yeah
00:30:44 <Ballig> sounds like he's a bit of a child
00:30:54 <Ballig> and just wanted to be king to get some revenge on people he didn't like
00:31:08 <Avatar> well
00:31:10 <Avatar> he's trying to exile a thief
00:31:13 <Ballig> I kind of want to know how long people stay on the board for
00:31:24 <Avatar> did you ever see his name on there
00:31:45 <Ballig> the only time I've seen mm shiver's name is as the person who put Dr Bob up for exile
00:31:56 <Avatar> it's not there anymore
00:32:02 <Ballig> is he exiled
00:32:07 <Avatar> I don't think so
00:32:09 <Avatar> haha
00:32:12 <Avatar> why would he exile himself
00:32:12 <Ballig> check the actual list of exiles
00:32:15 <Ballig> what
00:32:17 <Ballig> no
00:32:18 <Ballig> I said
00:32:21 <Ballig> the only time I've ever seen the name
00:32:26 <Ballig> is as the person who put Dr Bob on the exile board
00:32:36 <Ballig> you said "it's not there anymore", suggesting Dr Bob is no longer on the exile board
00:32:38 <Avatar> oh
00:32:49 <Avatar> I put him up on the exile board as Dr Bob
00:32:59 <Avatar> gone now
00:33:07 <Ballig> the king must be able to remove it
00:33:08 <Avatar> I didn't think kings could do that
00:33:18 <Ballig> it's pretty easily abused, the exile system
00:33:25 <Ballig> 5 votes is nothing
00:33:31 <Ballig> one person can do that
00:33:31 <Avatar> 5 isn't enough
00:33:55 <Avatar> I think they wanted the exile system to be used quite a bit
00:33:58 <Ballig> and if someone's name is on a board long enough, they will eventually get the votes required
00:34:01 <Ballig> because there's no way to defend yourself
00:34:14 <Ballig> you could put any story you like
00:34:25 <Ballig> your only recourse is to convince the king that it's a lie
00:34:38 <Ballig> if it's the king himself doing it, there's no stopping that corruption
00:35:28 <Avatar> you been to cove orc fort?
00:35:33 <Ballig> no
00:35:36 <Ballig> not even sure how to get there
00:35:38 <Ballig> except by sea
00:35:43 <Avatar> pretty good run
00:35:57 <Avatar> shit for loot on ipy
00:35:57 <Avatar> ubt fun
00:36:08 <Avatar> the orks used to go there a lot I think
00:36:16 <Avatar> but I think that was before they covered ice isle
00:36:21 <Ballig> what do you think about that build
00:36:49 <Avatar> he's still trying to get me exiled
00:36:50 <Avatar> right now
00:36:57 <Ballig> how many votes have you got
00:37:10 <Avatar> I looked at it 5 minutes ago, it said 0
00:37:19 <Avatar> I ran another character to cove from empath abbey
00:37:25 <Ballig> yeah
00:37:26 <Avatar> by the time I got there, it was on 1 and another shiver character was standing there
00:37:43 <Ballig> he doesn't seem too interested in exiling you
00:37:51 <Ballig> but you have to wonder how long your name will stay there
00:37:55 <Avatar> I can't work out how he made king
00:37:55 <Ballig> and whether it needs to be manually removed
00:37:58 <Avatar> it seems like nobody voted
00:38:00 <Ballig> if it needs to be manually removed by the king, you have no chance
00:38:09 <Ballig> he would have a guild behind him
00:38:17 <Avatar> it's been like 3 days
00:38:21 <Ballig> unless he lucked out and no one with a guild campaigned
00:39:10 <Ballig> you still haven't told me what you think of that build of devca
00:39:30 <Avatar> I'm still running another character to cove
00:39:31 <Avatar> give me ab it
00:39:39 <Ballig> do you want me to gate them
00:39:43 <Avatar> would you
00:39:45 <Ballig> yeah
00:39:54 <Avatar> my man is in minoc
00:39:56 <Avatar> cluttershot
00:40:28 <Avatar> wait a sec
00:40:40 <Avatar> a guy who gates the cove escort all the time is here
00:42:54 <Ballig> how many other characters do you need gated
00:44:50 <Avatar> just that one really
00:44:58 <Avatar> just checked devca, looks good
00:45:41 <Ballig> I still can't see the occlo exile board
00:51:19 <Ballig> the new build is on the website
00:51:23 <Ballig> sure hope it's not buggy
00:52:21 <Ballig> I should probably port it to other platforms someday
01:25:54 <Avatar> accidentally used up every last ingot I had
01:26:04 <Avatar> which is bad, considering I need a few to make tools
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10:39:16 <Avatar> brown doesn't make for very good lines against a black background
10:41:57 <Ballig> yeah that's why you can change the background
10:42:18 <Avatar> the colours are out to get me personally
10:42:25 <Ballig> ha
10:42:28 <Ballig> you can always go with a grey
10:42:42 <Ballig> these lines are pretty sexy, aren't they
10:42:59 <Avatar> light grey is too similar to white and dark grey is too unnoticable
10:43:01 <Avatar> like a secret door
10:43:23 <Ballig> should I look at making thick lines
10:43:30 <Ballig> I'm not sure how much work that would be
10:43:42 <Avatar> maybe check how much work it would be
10:43:51 <Avatar> 3 pixels wide instead of 1
10:44:08 <Avatar> I only just noticed to remove a line you have to have the line selected
10:44:18 <Ballig> yeah
10:44:34 <Ballig> it's tripped me up a couple of times, but it's kind of necessary for the programming
10:44:47 <Ballig> it's either that or using right mouse-drag will delete more than just lines
10:45:22 <Avatar> does right-click-dragging delete anything else
10:45:34 <Ballig> no
10:53:28 <Ballig> thick lines actually look pretty cool, I might add that
10:53:41 <Ballig> I envisage it being set the same way you turn snap to grid off
11:04:03 <Avatar> oh I forgot to test that
11:04:29 <Avatar> uh
11:04:34 <Avatar> if you have another button clicked down
11:04:41 <Avatar> and then right-click the line button to choose snap to grid on or off
11:04:49 <Avatar> you will draw lines even though the other button is still down
11:08:29 <Ballig> I guess you will
11:08:32 <Ballig> I'll do something about that
11:09:29 <Ballig> I'll just make it so that right click menu doesn't appear if the line button isn't already selected
11:12:08 <Avatar> make it so it automatically pushes the button
11:12:15 <Avatar> instead of having to left-click then right-click
11:12:53 <Ballig> my way is only one line
11:16:17 <Avatar> should details of your experience be in past or present tense
11:16:51 <Ballig> past, usually
11:16:54 <Ballig> unless you do it currently
11:17:07 <Ballig> are you responding to selection criteria
11:17:55 <Avatar> no, just trying to get the resume basics done
11:18:04 <Avatar> no idea what I'm applying for yet
11:18:16 <Ballig> I don't use any tense in my resume I don't think
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11:35:03 <jesse> Avatar??
11:35:47 jesse ([email protected]) has left #d&d
11:37:33 <Avatar> who was that
11:40:10 <Ballig> it was jesse
12:01:38 <Ballig> what did jesse want to know
12:07:38 <Avatar> thought I was someone else
12:17:06 <Ballig> Avatar: what's the build on your version of devca
12:18:14 <Ballig> I'm assuming 722
12:22:51 <Ballig> okay there's a new build up that has thick line functionality
12:27:46 <Avatar> yeah 722
12:35:44 <Avatar> um
12:35:52 <Avatar> lines aren't in the one on the site at all
12:36:00 <Avatar> you put up build 335
12:38:48 <Ballig> shit, did I
12:39:19 <Ballig> are you sure
12:39:27 <Avatar> unless my browser is playing up
12:39:48 <Ballig> it looks like the proper version on the ftp
12:41:58 <Ballig> can you confirm/deny
12:42:30 <Avatar> yeah it was chrome playing up
12:42:34 <Avatar> I only just confirmed
12:42:44 <Avatar> took me that long to load up firefox and download it again
12:43:33 <Ballig> ha
12:43:39 <Avatar> pretty sure we'll get to the point where we wonder how we ever lived without lines
12:43:48 <Ballig> how do the thick lines look
12:44:08 <Avatar> yeah heaps better
12:44:34 <Avatar> but uh
12:44:42 <Avatar> you can't put counters in areas with a line
12:44:54 <Avatar> you have to place it somewhere else and then move it there
12:45:34 <Ballig> is it worth changing
12:46:18 <Avatar> maybe not a priority change
12:46:23 <Avatar> but it is awkward
12:47:19 <Avatar> also seems a lot easier to delete lines
12:47:29 <Avatar> you don't have to drag over it, just right-click
12:47:42 <Avatar> not sure if that's just because I'm mucking around with it or if it'd happen in a game
12:48:45 <Ballig> what do you mean right click
12:48:50 <Ballig> to delete the line?
12:48:59 <Avatar> yeah
12:49:03 <Ballig> yeah, if it's a thick line
12:49:13 <Avatar> why is that different
12:49:19 <Ballig> the right click drag is only necessary for thin snap to grid lines
12:49:26 <Ballig> because they go over top of the grid lines
12:49:40 <Avatar> better to use that logic for thick lines too I think
12:49:44 <Ballig> the thick lines have a pixel inside the box itself, so they get caught by the regular right click code
12:49:59 <Ballig> both ways work
12:50:03 <Ballig> you can still right click drag to delete thick lines
12:51:40 <Avatar> you can create dots on the corners
12:54:06 <Ballig> what
12:54:54 <Avatar> try create a line by clicking a corner
12:54:59 <Avatar> and just release without moving the mouse
12:55:08 <Avatar> ie. don't drag
12:57:43 <Ballig> same works with snap to grid off
12:57:46 <Ballig> they're tiny lines
13:01:01 <Ballig> I don't see a huge use for it, but I don't think it needs to be disallowed
13:05:36 <Ballig> latest upload should let you draw tokens, squares and triangles on top of lines
13:09:21 <Avatar> sweet
13:12:50 <Ballig> do you think regular right clicking shouldn't delete lines
13:13:07 <Avatar> felt too easy to delete them by accident
13:13:16 <Avatar> but like I said, I was just playing with it
13:13:19 <Avatar> possibly not the case in a game
13:13:23 <Ballig> if you have to right click drag to do it, it will make it hard to delete tiny lines
13:13:26 <Ballig> like accidental dots
13:13:42 <Avatar> I found it easier to delete the dots by dragging over it
13:13:51 <Avatar> than by right-clicking the pixel
13:14:02 <Ballig> maybe the corner dots, try it with snap to grid off
13:14:43 <Avatar> shit
13:14:46 <Avatar> borderline impossible
13:14:56 <Ballig> yeah
13:15:12 <Avatar> why's that harder
13:15:28 <Ballig> no programmatical reason
13:15:33 <Ballig> it's just hard to do
13:16:40 <Avatar> kapow and shadow_mask still not around 15 minutes before game
13:16:53 <Avatar> it'd be funny if LSK got this far and didn't end because of no-shows
13:17:01 <Ballig> the topic says no game for two weeks
13:17:09 <Avatar> oh yeah, mekkis wasn't in
13:17:13 <Avatar> shit I should've napped
13:17:19 <Ballig> ha
13:17:25 <Ballig> you need more to occupy your time
13:17:27 <Ballig> I only nap when I'm bored
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13:17:31 <kapow> sorry i am late
13:17:36 <Ballig> and then i said "that's not my wife, that's a cow!" hahahaha
13:17:45 <kapow> hahahahahah
13:17:45 <Avatar> hahhaa!
13:17:46 <kapow> ^.^
13:18:03 <Avatar> kapow: game isn't on for 2 weeks, get with the program
13:18:10 <Ballig> what's going on next week
13:18:15 <Avatar> my birthday
13:18:18 <Ballig> so
13:18:28 <Avatar> so I'll be busy not playing d&d for a change
13:18:40 <Ballig> you mean like the last three weeks
13:18:52 <Avatar> yeah like that
13:18:58 <Avatar> kapow: it's also 1.30
13:18:59 <Ballig> wouldn't you rather play D&D on your birthday
13:19:03 <Avatar> you would've been in time
13:19:04 <Ballig> because it's something new and different
13:19:06 <Avatar> on*
13:19:23 <Avatar> well the intention is to usually play d&d
13:19:25 <kapow> oh
13:19:32 <kapow> okay then ^.^
13:19:35 <Avatar> on my birthday the intention will be to do something different
13:19:38 <kapow> there wasn't anything when i logged in
13:19:38 <kapow> so
13:19:40 <Avatar> but who knows
13:19:41 <Ballig> but you will end up playing D&D
13:19:43 <Ballig> because that's how it works
13:19:49 <Avatar> the topic is gone, shit
13:19:51 <Ballig> yeah the topic is gone
13:19:53 ChanOP gives channel operator status to Ballig
13:19:55 Ballig has changed the topic to: PFS: Sat 2pm | LSK: Sun 7th 1.30pm | EM: Sat 3pm | CotE: Sun 3.30pm || All times AEST (UTC+10:00)
13:20:04 <Ballig> maybe I do need to keep my script
13:20:10 <Ballig> that I turned off because I thought the topic wouldn't keep disappearing
13:20:19 * ChanOP removes channel operator status from Ballig
13:22:06 <Ballig> damn, 3d scanner costs $3k
13:25:21 <Ballig> wonder if I can convince work that we need one
13:25:23 <Ballig> for OH&S reasons
13:31:43 kapow has quit (Quit: )
13:33:27 ChanOP has changed the topic to: PFS: Sat 2pm | LSK: Sun 7th 1.30pm | EM: Sat 3pm | CotE: Sun 3.30pm || All times AEST (UTC+10:00)
13:34:18 <Ballig> did that remove colours
13:39:18 <Avatar> no
13:40:44 <Ballig> okay cool
13:40:53 <Ballig> ah I see what it did, it removed the space at the end
13:49:49 <Avatar> kapow didn't pick up on my joke about getting with the program
13:50:24 <Ballig> what was the joke
13:50:40 <Avatar> I forgot that the game wasn't on
13:50:58 <Ballig> he didn't know that
13:51:05 <Avatar> he didn't say anything though
13:51:09 <Ballig> why would he
13:51:11 <Avatar> so I couldn't reveal the goods to him
13:51:28 <Avatar> I feel a bit shortchanged
13:52:04 <Ballig> I just dislike that people only show up for the game then leave
13:52:08 <Ballig> it make the channel look worse than it is
13:52:10 <Avatar> yeah agree
13:52:18 <Avatar> kapow and shadow_mask didn't used to do that
13:52:20 <Ballig> and people often forget, because this is a "show up 15 minutes before" place to be
13:52:23 <Ballig> yeah
13:52:59 <Avatar> shadow_mask didn't even know about the postponed game I don't think
13:55:04 <Avatar> the admin page character links are starting to break a bit because you and I have too many characters
13:56:07 <Ballig> not too big a deal
14:00:58 <Ballig> I feel like I'm cheating in this game
14:01:14 <Ballig> I'm spending 75 gold to identify an item, and if it's not magic (and therefore not worth more than 75 gold) I re-load from before I identified it and sell it unidentified
14:01:47 <Avatar> of course that's cheating
14:01:51 <Avatar> what game is it
14:01:55 <Ballig> might and magic 6
14:14:22 <Avatar> I miss playing heroes of might and magic 2
14:14:31 <Avatar> but I don't think it runs properly anymore
14:14:37 <Ballig> you know they have heroes 5 out
14:14:42 <Ballig> and you can likely buy it from gog.com
14:14:47 <Ballig> (heroes 2, I mean)
14:20:08 <Ballig> http://www.gog.com/en/gamecard/heroes_of_might_and_magic_2_gold_edition
14:20:26 <Ballig> Compatible with: Windows XP, Windows Vista, Windows 7 (32 & 64 bit)
14:22:24 <Ballig> Might and Magic and Bard's Tale were the first two computer RPGs I played
14:22:29 <Ballig> when i was a kid, on my commodore 64
14:28:32 <Avatar> I have heroes 2 here
14:28:34 <Avatar> just doesn't work
14:28:37 <Ballig> yeah, that one will
14:28:39 <Ballig> that's what I'm telling you
14:28:53 <Ballig> they have programmers that make old games work on new systems
14:34:28 <Avatar> I do remember the units being unbalanced
14:34:35 <Avatar> once you have enough titans, that's the end of the game
14:34:46 <Ballig> ha
14:46:20 <Ballig> god damn that is a lot of mages
14:46:29 <Ballig> go anywhere near that lake and I get like 10 fireballs coming at me
15:12:23 <Ballig> ho ho they are all dead
15:12:26 <Ballig> take that, mages
16:38:38 <Ballig> did a celebrity die or something
16:38:54 <Ballig> because a bunch of reddit posts are talking about "watch out! a bunch of celebrity death posts are about to hit!" but there are no celebrity death posts
16:38:56 <Ballig> except those
16:41:48 <Ballig> oh it was amy winehouse
16:41:50 <Ballig> I've never even heard of her
18:22:00 <Avatar> they tried to make her go to rehab but she said no, no no
18:26:59 <Ballig> Avatar: http://i.imgur.com/1m626.png
18:27:47 <Avatar> you didn't know who she was
18:29:41 <Ballig> how does that make that link any less relevant?
18:31:38 <Avatar> well to be fair I actually feel like the guy on the right
18:33:13 <Ballig> good
18:37:59 <Avatar> I don't remember having to play might and magic in a tiny little window like this
18:40:17 <Ballig> is it might and magic 6
18:40:37 <Ballig> it's because the native resolution is 640x480, back when that was the resolution you were likely to have on your computer
18:40:44 <Ballig> now with our giant resolutions it makes the window tiny
18:50:11 <Avatar> might and magic 2
18:51:00 <Ballig> might and magic 2 or heroes of might and magic 2?
18:54:50 <Avatar> shit if I knew I was going to lose all my fucking units I wouldn't have fled
18:55:10 <Ballig> ah, if you have units then I assume you mean heroes of might and magic 2
18:55:13 <Ballig> you realise they're two different series yeah?
18:55:21 <Ballig> when I said I was playing might and magic 6, I didn't mean heroes
18:55:47 <Avatar> oh, no
18:55:57 <Ballig> there's might and magic 1-8 or so
18:56:00 <Ballig> might and magic 1 was released in the 80s
18:56:09 <Ballig> they are old style first-person view, party-style RPGs
18:56:21 <Ballig> like bard's tale, if you ever played that
21:40:44 <Avatar> shouldn't have bought this dumb game
21:40:46 <Avatar> taking over my life
21:43:00 <Ballig> haha
22:11:23 <Avatar> I named every save game "losing"
22:11:31 <Avatar> losing01, losing02, losing03, losing04
22:11:47 <Avatar> I feel like I have a lower self esteem now after playing that
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