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16:00 <Warren1984> your so lucky Tigger_
16:00 <Tigger_> why?
16:00 <Warren1984> where do you get all this money?
16:27 <Warren1984> your so lucky Tigger_
16:35 <Tigger_> why?
16:38 <Warren1984> where do you get all this money?
17:00 <Tigger_> what money?
17:00 <Warren1984> to purchase these things
17:00 <Warren1984> V6, alien alpha, mixer
17:00 <Warren1984> bread maker
17:00 <Warren1984> etc
17:04 <Tigger_> what money?
17:16 <Warren1984> to purchase these things
17:26 <Warren1984> V6, alien alpha, mixer
17:29 <Warren1984> bread maker
17:40 <Warren1984> etc
18:00 <Tigger_> I buy on special
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18:24 <Tigger_> I buy on special
19:00 <Tigger_> they repay themselves though
19:42 <Tigger_> they repay themselves though
22:00 <Tigger_> such as chips I make are way cheaper than buying them
22:35 <Tigger_> such as chips I make are way cheaper than buying them
24:00 <Tigger_> so think of good kitchen appliances as an investment
24:15 <Tigger_> so think of good kitchen appliances as an investment
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30:00 <Warren1984> ahh
30:10 <Warren1984> ahh
44:00 <Mx_Trump> Time Magazine has named German Chancellor Angela Merkel its "Person of the Year".
44:00 <Mx_Trump> The magazine cited her role in Europe's crises over migration and Greek debt. It also mentioned Russia's intervention in Ukraine in its decision.
44:00 <Mx_Trump> lollllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll
44:00 <Tigger_> they once picked a much better German leader
46:00 <Mx_Trump> i dont know why they havent thrown her out
47:00 <Mx_Trump> yoou can be arrested for attending anti immigration rallies in germany i believe
47:00 <Tigger_> it's incomprehensible to me
47:00 <Tigger_> yes
47:45 Topic Is: A powerful message of hope from Lord Putin: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHy7iR84hAk And a powerful message of hope from Lord Trump: https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-releases/donald-j.-trump-statement-on-preventing-muslim-immigration
47:45 Set By: (Tigger_) on: Tue Dec 08 11:36:52 2015
48:00 <Tigger_> if I was German I'd much rather be invaded by Russia than the invaders they're getting now
48:10 <Tigger_> if I was German I'd much rather be invaded by Russia than the invaders they're getting now
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16:00 <Warren1984> http://www.news.com.au/technology/syrian-rebel-brigade-al-shamiya-front-punk-isis-prisoners-with-mock-execution/news-story/a70b7280f010cccbd6a7136c03848e84
16:48 <Warren1984> http://www.news.com.au/technology/syrian-rebel-brigade-al-shamiya-front-punk-isis-prisoners-with-mock-execution/news-story/a70b7280f010cccbd6a7136c03848e84
17:00 <circle> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFnJq1ZrpCk
17:00 <circle> she developed nicely
17:00 <BlackDevil> Youtube: Libertarianism and Veganism (Oct 24, 2015) Length: 3:41 - Category: Howto & Style - 691 views views - 41 likes (68.3%), 19 dislikes (31.7%)
17:40 <circle> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFnJq1ZrpCk
17:42 <circle> she developed nicely
17:44 <BlackDevil> Youtube: Libertarianism and Veganism (Oct 24, 2015) Length: 3:41 - Category: Howto & Style - 691 views views - 41 likes (68.3%), 19 dislikes (31.7%)
19:00 <Tigger_> Dr Craig Steven Wright, who holds two PhDs, is a security researcher and crucially, a huge bitcoin enthusiast. The tech website published two interviews where those close to Wright said he claimed he was involved in the creation of bitcoin.
19:00 <Tigger_> Just hours after these claims were published online, the Australian Federal Police raided Dr Wright’s North Shore home, with around 10 officers seen searching through his garage and front door.
19:00 <Tigger_> However, it’s believed these raids could be related to an Australian Tax Office investigation and not his involvement with bitcoin.
19:58 <Tigger_> Dr Craig Steven Wright, who holds two PhDs, is a security researcher and crucially, a huge bitcoin enthusiast. The tech website published two interviews where those close to Wright said he claimed he was involved in the creation of bitcoin.
19:58 <Tigger_> Just hours after these claims were published online, the Australian Federal Police raided Dr Wright’s North Shore home, with around 10 officers seen searching through his garage and front door.
19:58 <Tigger_> However, it’s believed these raids could be related to an Australian Tax Office investigation and not his involvement with bitcoin.
20:00 <Tigger_> http://www.news.com.au/technology/online/hacking/new-report-claims-that-australian-man-is-behind-cryptocurrency-bitcoin/news-story/2ced4b33af5613fea003121930c067a9
20:00 <Mx_Trump> lol
20:00 <Mx_Trump> sif the syrian freedom fighters would kill isis
20:31 <Tigger_> http://www.news.com.au/technology/online/hacking/new-report-claims-that-australian-man-is-behind-cryptocurrency-bitcoin/news-story/2ced4b33af5613fea003121930c067a9
20:44 <Mx_Trump> lol
20:52 <Mx_Trump> sif the syrian freedom fighters would kill isis
21:00 <circle> government wants their cut 
21:00 <Mx_Trump> they'd chop assads army's head off no worries
21:00 <circle> of everything
21:02 <circle> government wants their cut
21:04 <Mx_Trump> they'd chop assads army's head off no worries
21:04 <circle> of everything
22:00 <Tigger_> why would they kill ISIS?  they're their future employer
22:00 <Mx_Trump> they are partners in the iraq/syria caliphate
22:23 <Tigger_> why would they kill ISIS? they're their future employer
22:58 <Mx_Trump> they are partners in the iraq/syria caliphate
23:00 <Mx_Trump> circle
23:00 <Mx_Trump> have you seen any young goddess's?
23:42 <Mx_Trump> circle
23:49 <Mx_Trump> have you seen any young goddess's?
24:00 <Tigger_> An eccentric great-grandmother who sent a letter to the headmistress of a top Islamic girls school claiming 'all Muslims worship Satan' has landed herself with a criminal record for 'causing harm.'
24:00 <Tigger_> Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3352454/Devout-Christian-great-grandmother-sent-letter-headmistress-Islamic-girls-school-claiming-Muslims-worship-Satan-ordered-community-service.html#ixzz3tpkPeIh5 
24:00 <Tigger_> Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook
24:00 <Tigger_> prosecuted for telling the truth
24:27 <Tigger_> An eccentric great-grandmother who sent a letter to the headmistress of a top Islamic girls school claiming 'all Muslims worship Satan' has landed herself with a criminal record for 'causing harm.'
24:27 <Tigger_> Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3352454/Devout-Christian-great-grandmother-sent-letter-headmistress-Islamic-girls-school-claiming-Muslims-worship-Satan-ordered-community-service.html#ixzz3tpkPeIh5
24:27 <Tigger_> Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook
24:46 <Tigger_> prosecuted for telling the truth
26:00 <Tigger_> the muslim woman who complained: http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/12/09/11/2F32AE6C00000578-3352454-image-a-58_1449659278440.jpg
26:47 <Tigger_> the muslim woman who complained: http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/12/09/11/2F32AE6C00000578-3352454-image-a-58_1449659278440.jpg
27:00 <Tigger_> if that is not a denizen of Hell I don't know what is
27:07 <Tigger_> if that is not a denizen of Hell I don't know what is
30:00 <Mx_Trump> only trump and putin can free the world of this islamic hell
30:10 <Mx_Trump> only trump and putin can free the world of this islamic hell
31:00 <Mx_Trump> the chinks arent too impressed with them either
31:44 <Mx_Trump> the chinks arent too impressed with them either
34:00 <Warren1984> Tigger_ watch the ice movie -> http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/morwell-police-understand-the-full-effects-of-ice/news-story/589d8190b2de790544e4311e990b38cf
34:39 <Warren1984> Tigger_ watch the ice movie -> http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/morwell-police-understand-the-full-effects-of-ice/news-story/589d8190b2de790544e4311e990b38cf
35:00 <Tigger_> but I'm not very interested in ice
35:00 <Warren1984> but Brett Dell fucks on ICE
35:00 <Tigger_> actually that's something the west should do, airdrop in tons and tons of heroin, ice, cocaine, etc. to muslim countries
35:00 <Warren1984> I thought you liked smoking ice Tigger_
35:19 <Tigger_> but I'm not very interested in ice
35:41 <Warren1984> but Brett Dell fucks on ICE
35:46 <Tigger_> actually that's something the west should do, airdrop in tons and tons of heroin, ice, cocaine, etc. to muslim countries
35:55 <Warren1984> I thought you liked smoking ice Tigger_
36:00 <Tigger_> every muslim city and town gets daily airdrops of drugs
36:00 <Tigger_> one needle to share
36:00 <Warren1984> Tigger_ remember this -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUkX75IEkHE
36:00 <BlackDevil> Youtube: Kid in cockpit (JungleboysTV) (May 2, 2013) Length: 2:47 - Category: Comedy - 3,070,400 views - 23,820 likes (70.2%), 10,104 dislikes (29.8%)
36:00 <Tigger_> yeah I've seen that
36:00 <Warren1984> watch it again
36:00 <Warren1984> it's funny
36:09 <Tigger_> every muslim city and town gets daily airdrops of drugs
36:20 <Tigger_> one needle to share
36:32 <Warren1984> Tigger_ remember this -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUkX75IEkHE
36:37 <BlackDevil> Youtube: Kid in cockpit (JungleboysTV) (May 2, 2013) Length: 2:47 - Category: Comedy - 3,070,400 views - 23,820 likes (70.2%), 10,104 dislikes (29.8%)
36:43 <Tigger_> yeah I've seen that
36:50 <Warren1984> watch it again
36:52 <Warren1984> it's funny
37:00 <Tigger_> watch this, it's a trailer for a great film: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-UCFBS4a5I
37:00 <BlackDevil> Youtube: The Delta Force (1986) - Official Trailer (Jan 9, 2011) Length: 1:53 - Category: Film & Animation - 435,200 views - 473 likes (87.1%), 70 dislikes (12.9%)
37:44 <Tigger_> watch this, it's a trailer for a great film: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-UCFBS4a5I
37:48 <BlackDevil> Youtube: The Delta Force (1986) - Official Trailer (Jan 9, 2011) Length: 1:53 - Category: Film & Animation - 435,200 views - 473 likes (87.1%), 70 dislikes (12.9%)
41:00 <Warren1984> garbage Tigger_
41:00 <Tigger_> why?
41:00 <Warren1984> judging a book by it's cover
41:00 <Tigger_> what didn't you like about it?
41:18 <Warren1984> garbage Tigger_
41:22 <Tigger_> why?
41:38 <Warren1984> judging a book by it's cover
42:00 <Warren1984> Tigger_ what have you put on your list of things to do before you die?
42:00 <Tigger_> to watch Delta Force
42:00 <Mx_Trump> Warren1984 does tarryn have to board through the cargo area because her stinker is so large?
42:01 <Tigger_> what didn't you like about it?
42:13 <Warren1984> Tigger_ what have you put on your list of things to do before you die?
42:24 <Tigger_> to watch Delta Force
42:58 <Mx_Trump> Warren1984 does tarryn have to board through the cargo area because her stinker is so large?
44:00 <Warren1984> was that a movie trailer?
44:00 <Warren1984> yes Mx_Trump
44:24 <Warren1984> was that a movie trailer?
44:40 <Warren1984> yes Mx_Trump
46:00 <Tigger_> yes, that was the trailer for Delta Force
46:51 <Tigger_> yes, that was the trailer for Delta Force
49:00 <Warren1984> Cannabis, including some synthetic cannabinoids.
49:00 <Warren1984> Cocaine.
49:00 <Warren1984> Ecstasy (MDMA)
49:00 <Warren1984> GHB (gamma hydroxybutyrate)
49:00 <Warren1984> Heroin.
49:00 <Warren1984> Ice (crystal methamphetamine)
49:00 <Warren1984> LSD (lysergic acid diethylamide)
49:00 <Warren1984> Mephedrone
50:00 <Warren1984> Cannabis, including some synthetic cannabinoids.
50:00 <Warren1984> Cocaine.
50:00 <Warren1984> Ecstasy (MDMA)
50:00 <Warren1984> GHB (gamma hydroxybutyrate)
50:00 <Warren1984> Heroin.
50:00 <Warren1984> Ice (crystal methamphetamine)
50:00 <Warren1984> LSD (lysergic acid diethylamide)
50:00 <Warren1984> Mephedrone
50:00 <Warren1984> Tigger_ that is a list of drugs to take before you die
50:00 <Tigger_> why?
50:00 <Warren1984> because life is short
50:00 <Tigger_> that list will make life a lot shorter
50:11 <Warren1984> Tigger_ that is a list of drugs to take before you die
50:18 <Tigger_> why?
50:26 <Warren1984> because life is short
50:36 <Tigger_> that list will make life a lot shorter
51:00 <Tigger_> and drug users have to burn in Hell
51:25 <Tigger_> and drug users have to burn in Hell
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54:00 <ajnin> hi
54:04 <ajnin> hi
59:00 <Marttin> hi
59:57 <Marttin> hi
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47:08 <Tigger_> morning Marttin
47:17 <Marttin> hi tiigger
00:14 <Tigger_> very soon I shall make some chocolate icecream, very excited
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07:16 <Marttin> do you think it will be better than magnum ice creams?
24:48 <Marttin> i. mean the chocolate taste
24:52 <Tigger_> the icecream itself will be better, but mine doesn't have a chocolate coat
24:58 <Marttin> aah
25:28 <Marttin> its the part i appreciate most
25:41 <Tigger_> yes, a bit harder to do that
28:21 <Tigger_> I'd need some sort of mould to make the shape, then come up with a way to make chocolate that it can be dipped in and then frozen to a hard shell
28:26 <Tigger_> too lazy for that
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31:42 <Warren1984> hi all
38:46 <Warren1984> my Mum just left for her holiday
39:00 <Warren1984> won't see her until 28th of December
56:01 <Warren1984> Tigger_ -> http://www.openbible.info/topics/the_meaning_of_life
56:06 <Warren1984> where is doctor
07:04 <Tigger_> I am making 2 litres of chocolate icecream
08:04 <Warren1984> is clip clop getting any?
08:20 <Warren1984> at least let him lick the spoon
08:55 <Warren1984> Tigger_ does that explain the meaning of life?
09:11 <Warren1984> Matthew 6:25-33 ESV / 32 helpful votes	 Helpful Not Helpful
09:11 <Warren1984> “Therefore I tell you, do not be anxious about your life, what you will eat or what you will drink, nor about your body, what you will put on. Is not life more than food, and the body more than clothing? Look at the birds of the air: they neither sow nor reap nor gather into barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not of more value than they? And which of you by being
09:11 <Warren1984> anxious can add a single hour to his span of life? And why are you anxious about clothing? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow: they neither toil nor spin, yet I tell you, even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these. ...
10:04 <Tigger_> Again Jesus spoke to them, saying, “I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will not walk in darkness, but will have the light of life.”
12:58 <Warren1984> And which of you by being anxious can add a single hour to his span of life?
16:03 <Tigger_> you are an atheist though
18:04 <Warren1984> I am only atheist because you are
18:11 <Warren1984> so is clip clop
18:40 <Warren1984> nuh I would say I am more of an agnostic
18:48 <Warren1984> open to religions of all kinds
19:06 <Warren1984> Tigger_ how do I bring meaning and purpose to my life?
19:25 <Warren1984> Tigger_ test question
19:39 <Warren1984> what is the key to organizing and remembering?
20:07 <Tigger_> I don't know
20:54 <Warren1984> lists
21:15 <Warren1984> are you just pretending to not know or do you seriously not know?
22:57 <Warren1984> Tigger_ would structure and routine be enough to create meaning in life?
23:09 <Tigger_> I seriously do not know
23:29 <Tigger_> and I doubt if there is much meaning to be found in structure and routine
23:48 <Tigger_> though Orthodox Judaism could be said to be a religion of structure and routine
25:05 <Warren1984> but if you worked really hard, saved money, socialized and hang around the right people wouldn't that help with the meaning of life?
25:59 <Warren1984> INFJs generally have the following traits:
26:01 <Warren1984> Constantly seeking meaning and purpose in everything
29:25 <Warren1984> Hedonism
29:25 <Warren1984> more likely to be a drinker, more likely to be a smoker, more likely to friends with drinkers and/or smokers, addictive tendencies, breaks the rules, goes on binges, impulsive, more likely to be an atheist, enjoys being reckless, very sexual, likes being naked, rebels against authority, not a fan of rules, enjoys duping/deceiving people, tends to spend more money then they have,
29:25 <Warren1984> expresses their affection physically, likes losing them-self in things, safety is not particularly important to them, likes to rebel for the sake of rebellion, prone to excess, believes that sometimes vengeance is necessary, does not like to be viewed as proper or conventional, not a team player, more likely to support drug legalization, more likely to cheat in a relationship, more
29:25 <Warren1984> likely to have or want to get a tattoo
31:24 <Tigger_> then I'll never let an INFJ into my house
31:56 <Warren1984> Hedonism
31:56 <Warren1984> willing to break the law if the monetary benefit is great enough, likes tattoos, likes strip clubs, prone to substance abuse, prone to shoplifting, thinks marijuana should be legalized, not opposed to breaking laws, promiscuous, prone to cheat in relationships, kinky, likes to dress provocatively, believes pleasure should play a central role in life, can be crude, believes religion
31:56 <Warren1984> is foolish, does not worry about consequences of actions, addictive tendencies, more a night person than a day person, erotic, more likely to have been on anti-depressants, gets attention through negative behavior, reckless with money, prone to nihilism, unpredicable, self destructive
32:20 <Warren1984> I have only a few of these traits
32:25 <Tigger_> why are INFJ's allowed to exist?
32:31 <Warren1984> what do you mean Tigger_?
32:41 <Tigger_> they sound like trouble for society
32:46 <Warren1984> how?
33:11 <Tigger_> they are tattooed drug users who shoplift
33:52 <Warren1984> these aren't characteristics of INFJ's
34:33 <Warren1984> the only characteristics about the INFJ I posted are -> [10:26] <Warren1984> INFJs generally have the following traits:
34:33 <Warren1984> [10:26] <Warren1984> Constantly seeking meaning and purpose in everything
35:06 <Tigger_> INFJs should be arrested
35:18 <Warren1984> therefore if an INFJ seeks meaning and purpose in everything can they help with those like me who struggle with the meaninglessness of existenance
35:23 <Warren1984> why?
35:24 <Tigger_> now I shall check to see how my icecream is going
37:29 <Warren1984> http://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/
38:31 <Abortion> more likely to be an atheist : believes religion
38:35 <Abortion> eh what?
39:01 <Abortion> The only way that makes sense is if it means they strongly identify with either and not somewhere in the middle
39:09 <Tigger_> "believes religion is foolish"
39:15 <Abortion> ie, Judged to be true or false, with no uncertainty
39:16 <Abortion> oh
39:21 <Warren1984> Tigger_ that isn't an INFJ characteristic
39:40 <Warren1984> I am bad with money
39:51 <Warren1984> that is about the only hedonistic trait I have
40:11 <Abortion> Personally I take issue with anyone who has the J characteristic
40:29 <Abortion> it is implicitly linked with closed mindedness and unscientific process
40:40 <Warren1984> although it's been several months now since I have been putting away money each fortnight
40:49 <Tigger_> this does strike me as true, when I was an atheist I was one of the few philosophical atheists, pretty much all the other atheists I encountered were hedonistic atheists, who objected to religion because if true, their hedonism made them losers on the cosmic scale
41:10 <Abortion> Sounds like pascals wager
41:11 <Abortion> I hate those
41:14 <Warren1984> where did you read that Tigger_?
41:23 <Abortion> comparisons
41:32 <Tigger_> read what
41:33 <Tigger_> ?
41:41 <Warren1984> [10:40] <@Tigger_> this does strike me as true, when I was an atheist I was one of the few philosophical atheists, pretty much all the other atheists I encountered were hedonistic atheists, who objected to religion because if true, their hedonism made them losers on the cosmic scale
41:43 <Abortion> it selects very narrow definitions and has many unspoken assumptions
41:49 <Tigger_> that is my experience
42:04 <Warren1984> Tigger_ so you use to be an atheist?
42:09 <Tigger_> yes
42:13 <Warren1984> seriously?
42:17 <Tigger_> yes
42:19 <Warren1984> what changed your mind?
42:40 <Warren1984> I don't think religion is foolish I just don't see the hard evidence
42:45 <Warren1984> and don't agree with everything
43:02 <Tigger_> I heard the music of the composer Arvo Part, such as "Tabula Rasa", and "Cantus", and then I realised atheism was wrong
43:19 <Tigger_> and that Christianity was the one true religion
43:28 <Warren1984> nothing wrong with atheism
43:35 <Tigger_> it is wrong though
43:39 <Warren1984> why?
43:46 <Tigger_> because it is not correct
44:02 <Warren1984> sounds like your mind has being infected
44:09 <Abortion> I distinguish with Gnostic and Agnostic Atheism
44:14 <Warren1984> so you agree with everything in the bible
44:31 <Abortion> I take issue with Gnosticism, for the same reason I don't like the Judgemental trait as I mentioned before
44:50 <Warren1984> J is not for Judgemental
44:56 <Tigger_> essentially that I had been lead into atheism by a combination of empiricism and logical positivism, I was only 10 years old, so not able to see the limitations of empiricism, nor the errors of logical positivism
45:29 <Abortion> What is it then, Warren1984
45:40 <Warren1984> the difference between judging people and percieving people is, Judging types are more organized, decisive, more likely to stick to decisions
45:57 <Warren1984> Judging types are more left brained
46:00 <Abortion> not people, knowledge, Warren1984
46:09 <Tigger_> and that art is a truth that is not defined by empiricism, and the greatest art is Christian art, therefore Christianity must be correct
46:10 <Warren1984> and Percieving types are more right brained
46:16 <Abortion> further, decisiveness itself is linked to that
46:37 <Abortion> decisiveness means you halt any further consideration
46:50 <Warren1984> yeah because you need to take action
47:05 <Warren1984> how can you take action if you never reach a conclusion?
47:13 <Warren1984> you mind will keep going with it
47:20 <Abortion> You take action and be ready to change course
47:38 <Warren1984> how would you refine your skills then?
47:39 <Abortion> based on best available resources
47:59 <Warren1984> how would you stick to commitments?
48:11 <Abortion> the value of skills change
48:13 <Warren1984> committments
48:43 <Abortion> You're creating a strawman Warren1984
48:47 <Warren1984> lets say you want to be a medical doctor
49:03 <Warren1984> do you start medicine and then think oh this is not for me
49:10 <Warren1984> then do that to everything else
49:14 <Abortion> uh, yes
49:26 <Warren1984> then you wouldn't be a high achiever
49:30 <Tigger_> Warren1984 wants to have an A-Z solution before he acts, where the solution will always be correct
49:38 <Abortion> You've created a strawman
49:42 <Warren1984> Tigger_ read this -> http://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/
49:50 <Tigger_> I did
49:52 <Abortion> You've extrapolated from one thing that it will continue like that forever
50:08 <Tigger_> JWs are heretics
50:09 <Warren1984> then you will contradict yourself
50:14 <Abortion> Look at the other side, Warren1984, find out the regrets people have in life
50:19 <Warren1984> what do you mean Tigger_?
50:40 <Abortion> You've also made it as in the smallest bump must result in the largest change
50:49 <Warren1984> Abortion not finishing things they started
50:50 <Abortion> neglecting any weighing up of decisions
51:09 <Warren1984> people regret what they don't finish
51:19 <Abortion> Warren1984: People also regret not spending time with their family
51:31 <Warren1984> balance of lifestyle
51:40 <Tigger_> Jehovahs Witnesses were founded by a con man, Charles T. Russell, who ran a lot of scams before he decided to get into religion, like an L Ron Hubbard of his day
51:55 <Abortion> yes, and sometimes you will realise that a decision you made in the past will lead to an unbalance
51:56 <Warren1984> Tigger_ become an atheist again
52:10 <Tigger_> I can't become an atheist again
52:14 <Warren1984> nothing in life goes as a straight line
52:24 <Tigger_> it is not a choice
52:27 <Warren1984> and you cannot always be in control of your time
52:40 <Abortion> But as you said, you made a committment
52:59 <Warren1984> well that all depends on your choices
53:12 <Warren1984> for example someone on the mines who is an electrician
53:14 <Abortion> and you can still be miserable for it
53:31 <Tigger_> actually these days with New Atheism, and Atheism Plus, even if I was an atheist, I'd pretend not to be
53:33 <Warren1984> might have to spend his xmas in the mines because something has gone wrong
53:49 <Abortion> Tigger_: Hijacked by idiots, I agree
54:15 <Warren1984> he could have made a decision to be an electrican in the city
54:19 <Abortion> Philosophical atheism is a lot more personal
54:32 <Warren1984> but since money is more important to his decision then that it his fault
54:49 <Abortion> Warren1984: Maybe he didn't realise what was worth more at the time
54:58 <Tigger_> I never had any belief that atheism is a positive force, and that the world would be a better place if everyone became an atheist
55:00 <Warren1984> Tigger_ what if there is no concrete evidence in religion
56:08 <Tigger_> concrete evidence is the empiricist error, there is no possible evidence that can be used to prove that God exists, every variety of evidence you can come up with, you can counter-propose a lesser explanation, such as aliens, time travellers from the far future, magic, etc.
56:19 <Abortion> Until your decisions start hurting people, why should you be bound for life by a choice you made in naivety?
56:19 <Abortion> Wisdom only comes with experience
57:26 <Abortion> Tigger_: indeed, but that leads down teh path of the god of the gaps
57:49 <Abortion> For such we should instead accept the unknown as not known
58:44 <Abortion> There are many conceptions for a supreme being existing outside of an engineered universe, such as ours could be, due to our inability to observe it
59:28 <Abortion> When a supreme being exists outside of the system, the rules have no meaning to them
59:28 <Tigger_> there is also the atheist of the gaps, proposing that the universe and life was created by a sequence of accidents, which sounded good at around 1900, but what we know about the complexity of the universe and life today, makes the sequence of accidents conception less tenable than it was previously
00:16 <Abortion> Sure
00:30 <Warren1984> what does the bible say about stinkers?
00:31 <Tigger_> which is why there has been this recent leap into the multi-verse to try and propose a Darwinian development of the laws of physics, unbounded by time
00:31 <Abortion> with being able to break the rules, a supreme being could give the impression of anything within the system
00:48 <Warren1984> Tigger_ what does the bible say about stinkers?
01:24 <Abortion> That however doesn't exclude the possibility of such a chain of actions. Just because it seems like a series of accidents, why would we know what the probailities were anyway?
01:38 <Tigger_> yes, miracles are a break with the natural order. but if you have a genuine miracle take place, there is no way that science can prove it was a miracle, it can only describe the phenomena that occurred
01:39 <Abortion> we might have estimated/measured the chances wrongly
01:59 <Abortion> which thus cannot be correctly ascribed to anything
02:10 <Tigger_> we might have, but each time we revise our estimations, the probabilities become more remote
02:28 <Abortion> why would that trend continue though?
02:42 <Tigger_> it doesn't have to, it could stop at any time
03:05 <Tigger_> maybe a particle accelerator will find the absolute indivisible particle
03:29 <Tigger_> it's just that so far, it's looking like it's turtles all the way down
03:30 <Abortion> or maybe such a thing doesn't exist?
03:49 <Tigger_> it may not
03:54 <Abortion> we just don't know
04:02 <Tigger_> maybe we never will
04:31 <Abortion> In all likelyhood we never will. To exist in a system is to not know its complete construction
05:01 <Abortion> which even if we break out of a system, there could be an infinite number above them
05:09 <Tigger_> indeed
05:37 <Abortion> Which implies even if we could prove god and the realms of gods, then we can concievably consider the system they exist in
06:56 <Abortion> all that said, truth has proven itself stranger than fiction many times, like god believers often say, we can never understand that which god has made, for he (essentially has far more processing capacity than we do)
07:18 <Abortion> we are limited in what we can process, regardless of such a beings existence
07:54 <Warren1984> http://www.gotquestions.org/nihilism.html
08:06 <Tigger_> god singular is quite different to god's plural, if there is more than one god, then there is a realm where they exist, apart from each other, essentially another universe. if there is only one god, then there is no realm that contains them
08:07 <Warren1984> Question: "What is nihilism?"
08:07 <Warren1984> Answer: Nihilism is a non-Christian belief that, in the end, “nothingness” prevails in a world that is totally meaningless. Nihilism teaches that God does not exist or that He is dead. Nihilism says there is no higher purpose in life, that life is simply futile. The word nihilism comes from nihil, a Latin root meaning “nothing” or “that which does not exist.” Interestingly
08:07 <Warren1984> enough, this same root is found in the word annihilate, which means “to destroy something completely, especially so that it ceases to exist.”
08:36 <Tigger_> going to check on this icecream, brb
09:45 <Abortion> I subscribe to that, but what I don't subscribe to is that that means we have nothing to do.
09:53 <Abortion> All that is overridden by instinct
10:05 <Abortion> we have the instinct to explore
10:09 <Abortion> so why not go with that
10:55 <Abortion> Most people who use it as an excuse to be miserable were usually miserable in teh first place
12:33 <Abortion> same goes for people who use it as an excuse to be hedonistic
12:38 <Abortion> they just wanted to do that anyway
17:00 <Abortion> It does lead back to the cultural matter though
17:32 <Tigger_> when I was an atheist, I didn't subscribe to any of the lefty causes that atheists were supposed to, so I was termed a nihilist
17:34 <Abortion> In a society which is strictly one religion, its impossible to hold those views without being seen as a traitor.
18:22 <Abortion> Some people could of course arrive at these views themselves, but could not talk about it
18:27 <Abortion> thus, we do not know the full history of atheism
18:36 <Abortion> It also prevented its growth
18:40 <Abortion> which may be a good thing
18:41 <Tigger_> holding the views may not mark you as a traitor, but advocating them might
19:02 <Abortion> it may have choked more widespread hedonism
19:14 <Abortion> but that is offset by peoples ability to rationalise things
19:27 <Tigger_> atheism as we understand it today appears not to have existed until about the 18th century, though there were politically motivated accusations of atheism prior to that
19:27 <Abortion> such that even within religion, you can still have hedonists
20:39 <Tigger_> in contrast ancient Athens had real laws on the books against atheism, very broadly defined, and frequently prosecuted
20:57 <Abortion> To me, this means urges take priority over beliefs when it comes to the ills inflicted on other people
21:25 <Abortion> Athens, good example. Pederasty was reasonably popular in those days
21:45 <Tigger_> does rationalising things prevent hedonism you think? or just rationalise it in a YOLO way?
21:56 <Abortion> no it does the other way
22:14 <Abortion> I should say rationalisations by using cognative bias
22:16 <Abortion> err
22:18 <Abortion> dissonance
22:42 <Abortion> that is, by linking two unrelated things to justify something
23:08 <Abortion> such as how some churches justify making lots of money for no particularly good reason
23:29 <Abortion> we all know that wasn't advocated by Jesus
23:30 <Abortion> but they exist
23:32 <Tigger_> there were always minor cults that embraced hedonism, with the argument that to overcome desire, you must completely satiate it, then you will be free. but what we know today about addictive behaviour doesn't really support that
24:51 <Abortion> the stoics were better for that. Theirs was a belief of strict disicpline, but at the same time, they also used lots of crazy rationalisation
25:38 <Tigger_> I'm fairly partial to the Stoics, that they were mentioned in the NT, arguing with Christians, suggests that they were among the first converts
27:34 <Abortion> bloody hell, existentialcomics has been on a production rampage
27:46 <Abortion> last two times I've looked at it, there were many I hadn't read yet
28:00 <Tigger_> it's interesting that there was a branch of Stoicism that advocated monotheism, appointing Zeus as the sole god. that may have been the ultimate direction the Roman Empire would have taken if Christianity had not filled that need
28:06 <Tigger_> what's that?
28:20 <Abortion> a cross of philosophy and popular culture
28:32 <Abortion> usually involving famous philosophers
28:35 <Abortion> as characters
28:46 <Abortion> my favourites are the philosopers play D&D
33:12 <Tigger_> my cat was never fooled by this, he always knew the difference between a real cat and a recording of a cat: http://existentialcomics.com/comic/15
35:58 <Abortion> Marx needs to stop flipping tables :)
36:59 <Tigger_> yes, I read that one
37:42 <Tigger_> interesting that it had Popper, but not Witgenstein, they would've been a good pair to match against each other
43:26 <Abortion> HAH, safe space joke
43:46 <Tigger_> link?
44:09 <Abortion> http://existentialcomics.com/comic/93
44:44 <Abortion> Actually, this brings me to a realisation, we're discussing and to some extent, debating the existence of god, but its been done. Over and over
44:59 <Abortion> I don't really have the philosophical background to contribute much
46:35 <Abortion> Also I find its not really a useful discussion to have. I just get a fairly primal pleasure out of debating it
49:39 <Tigger_> one of the benefits of philosophy is finding out that nothing much is new, and yes it has been done over and over, so it helps to put us in our place when we of the third millennium think we know better than everyone else before
50:44 <Tigger_> philosophy is a good antidote for New Atheists when they realise that they're adults who have been riding on the epiphany of a precious 13 year old for far too long
50:53 <Tigger_> *precocious
51:05 <Abortion> I was actually thinking more because, changing peoples minds who already dig these depths is pretty pointless. A very high proportion of converts to either atheism or religion, have done so for other reasons that have nothing to do with philosophy
51:20 <Tigger_> I'd say 90%, or more
53:15 <Abortion> Making psychology and sociology far more important :P
53:38 <Abortion> if only it wasn't made up of mostly bullshit
53:52 <Abortion> oh well
53:59 <Tigger_> I have known one person who converted from being a pagan atheist (they're not necessarily incompatible) to a Christian, not because they'd changed their mind about anything, just that it seemed more respectable, and deep down they held the same outlook and inclinations
54:02 <Abortion> just gotta keep exploring
55:51 <Tigger_> I have a certain distrust of psychology as it's the only intellectual subject that interests the lower classes
56:35 <Abortion> There is one section of psychology I do like, and thats the study of the flaws in the human brain/intellect
56:45 <Tigger_> such as?
56:54 <Abortion> not a particularly popular subject because it is intristically related to doubt
57:15 <Abortion> The incapacity to percieve all that can be percieved, taking shortcuts in reasoning, cognative bias
57:57 <Tigger_> ah yes
58:26 <Abortion> The least troubling example is the visual blind spot
58:37 <Tigger_> they have their uses, humans can not see three points without seeing a triangle
58:54 <Abortion> but yeah, things like the dunning krueger effect
59:58 <Tigger_> that's an example of something we've all encountered, and then it hits us like lightning that others have too, and studied and verified it
02:34 <Tigger_> as for sociology, popular stereotypes are a good example of crowd sociology, and pretty accurate, with a few exceptions like blonds being dumb
03:46 <Abortion> hahahah Satre was a hipster before his time The other big problem with this example is that Sartre never really gives a clear account of how one is supposed to be a waiter totally authentically. This was a particularly thorny problem, because people accused Sartre of being classist. It seemed like maybe the only way to live authentically was to write philosophy books in cafes drink wine with your writer friends.
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05:17 <Tigger_> he's the sort of philosopher much better at asking questions than answering them, when he answered them he came up with all sorts of loopy things
07:09 <Tigger_> I remember he wrote this one crazy thing about why sometimes when people face danger, they freeze and become incapable of action, and he concocted this crazy rubbish about people deny the reality of the situation, and substitute a new reality where there is no danger
07:40 <Abortion> Yeah, shame we now have neurology
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08:19 <Tigger_> it's a question that philosophy shouldn't attempt to answer at all, instead employ evolutionary psychology, that if you are confronted by a lion, you can't fight it, you can't run away from it, so the best thing to do is nothing
08:52 <Abortion> I thought it was because some creatures don't operate well if their foe isn't moving
09:17 <Tigger_> that's what I mean, from the human's perspective, don't make yourself a target for the lion
09:35 <Abortion> ah, I misinterpreted
09:56 <Tigger_> and that strategy works even better if it's involuntary
10:50 <Tigger_> naturally Satre never bothered to ask someone who has ever faced a lion or other danger how they felt
14:55 <Abortion> WOW, that last panel, that hits home, there are lots of people like that http://existentialcomics.com/comic/107
17:00 <Tigger_> lol
18:28 <Tigger_> good, though I didn't understand the relevance of Dostoyevsky and his novel Crime & Punishment, to what follows with Sartre and Nietzsche
20:00 <Abortion> I'm not sure there was supposed to be a connection. Author probably came up with the joke at the end first, and put together the rest of it as a setup
20:17 <Tigger_> ah
21:01 <Tigger_> I was trying to think of the character of Raskolknikov being proto-Nietzschian or something
21:22 <Abortion> All I noticed was someone walking out of the courtroom
22:11 <Tigger_> he is holding the axe behind him, in the novel Raskolnikov murders the money lender woman with an axe
22:41 <Tigger_> it feels like there's a meaning there, but I don't quite get it
23:29 <Abortion> Conflict of interest, quest for meaning, but lots of time spent and the chance there isn't any
23:41 <Tigger_> heh, probably
24:04 <Abortion> Author may have considered that point too
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24:47 <Abortion> well actually I that isn't that profound, just because the author is a philosopher did it. That's actually a pretty common literary device
28:14 <Warren1984> Abortion I want you to force yourself to pay attention to what is going on
28:37 <Abortion> whats that Warren1984? Mindfulness?
28:46 <Warren1984> I guess
30:01 <Warren1984> Abortion what about combating procrastination?
30:15 <Warren1984> P stands for procrastination
30:46 <Abortion> To the best of my knowledge, P in Myers Briggs stands for Perceptive
31:04 <Tigger_> lol, my favourite one so far: http://existentialcomics.com/comic/51 one actually does question the purpose of life while talking to tech support
31:26 <Warren1984> Perception
32:02 <Abortion> adjective vs adverb
32:17 <Abortion> wait no, noun
32:17 <Warren1984> Abortion time is limited and how would you be productive if you waste time by procrastinating
32:49 <Abortion> Its actually a really good question, and the answer is balance
32:56 <Abortion> to which I am not
33:12 <Abortion> but none the less, relaxing does serve a purpose to mental health
33:14 <Warren1984> each day Tigger_ frequently accomplishes impressive achievements
33:36 <Tigger_> 2 litres of chocolate icecream is my impressive achievement today
33:41 <Warren1984> Tigger_ is extremely organized and 2nd to none with time management
34:01 <Abortion> I'll take your word for it
34:11 <Tigger_> I am neither
35:00 <Abortion> You know though, Warren1984, thats pretty cool that you called to mindfulness
35:11 <Abortion> its actually a very interesting concept
35:27 <Abortion> I met someone on money who was telling me about mindfulness as a method of stress management
35:34 <Abortion> *monday
36:09 <Abortion> though I think she was a tad on the new age side, which tends to bother me
36:34 <Abortion> But yes! Mindfulness
36:44 <Abortion> In theory, it is the key to discipline
37:06 <Abortion> The problem with mindfulness is you need triggers to bring it to attention, which in itself, is not mindful
37:20 <Abortion> If you do manage to set it up, I expect it would be quite powerful
37:21 <Tigger_> <NewAger> All the questions of science, religion, and philosophy, are ultimately about how to feel less anxious.
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38:56 <Warren1984> home alone for 18 days
39:38 <Warren1984> see philosophy shouldn't enter the mind if you are managing your time well
39:49 <Warren1984> not time to sit around and think about philosophy
40:01 <Abortion> Thats the J talking again
40:20 <Warren1984> well INTJs & INFJs like philosophy
40:29 <Warren1984> but its true
40:48 <Warren1984> philsophy doesn't yield practical results
41:39 <Abortion> Actually, it has. It is a fair point that it doesn't always, but thats exactly the thing about P, lots of it doesn't yield, but you don't know what will
41:55 <Abortion> Just like observation of... things happening
42:07 <Abortion> some hypotheses would not have been imagined if not for pondering
42:18 <Abortion> without hypotheses you have nothing to test
42:47 <Tigger_> those who reject philosophy then proceed to philosophise, badly
44:27 <Warren1984> information comes through the 5 senses in a literal concrete fashion
44:36 <Abortion> Lots of people don't actually get what philosophy is, and just attack the word (+category) as a strawman
45:04 <Abortion> The very fact that you are considering what is important is in itself a matter of philosophy
46:46 <Tigger_> <Warren1984> information comes through the 5 senses in a literal concrete fashion <- that itself is a subset of philosophy, Socrates distinguished between two types of knowledge, that which we derive from the senses, and that which we know to be true but can't explain how, our "daemon"
47:13 <Warren1984> Abortion well what about this -> people with ADD have smaller temporal lobes and frontal lobes than those without ADD. This effects awareness of time, auditory information processing, thinking, decision making, prioritizng and planning
47:26 <Abortion> But yes, mindfulness would dictate that we should limit and be aware of what we are doing
47:34 <Warren1984> information from the senses are a fact
47:47 <Warren1984> information from Intuition is a possibility
47:52 <Tigger_> what about observer bias?
47:52 <Abortion> uh I disagree, but to explain would be to philosophise
48:31 <Warren1984> Information comes through the 5 senses, then requires decisive action
48:56 <Abortion> Warren1984: How about you stop worrying about how concrete things rae, and just do things that make sense
48:59 <Warren1984> you see a car and decide if or not to wash it
49:03 <Warren1984> anything concrete
49:22 <Abortion> they'll only make sense at the time, but thats all you have
49:46 <Abortion> Or, to put it more typically, chill out
49:51 <Warren1984> hypothesis is helpful in the scientific field
49:56 <Tigger_> my favourite example of observer bias are the cargo cults of the Pacific, who thought that they could make planes come by building bamboo air traffic control towers, after all they'd seen it done before
50:10 <Warren1984> Tigger_ all people can be bias
50:21 <Warren1984> it's called confirmation bias
50:51 <Warren1984> for example if you believe all Muslims are terrorists, then you will look for confirmation to prove it
51:04 <Tigger_> that's a bit different, but kind of similar
51:25 <Abortion> aaanyway
51:33 <Abortion> Warren1984 has called us to action
51:41 <Tigger_> and icecream
52:00 <Warren1984> Abortion I don't see how my Intuition helps me
52:16 <Warren1984> not saying it's not useful
52:19 <Abortion> I don't think Myers briggs is definitive
52:39 <Warren1984> the vast majority of people are not intuitive
52:40 <Abortion> Intuition, in my view, is what gives us subconsious meaning
52:53 <Warren1984> and they can only understand the physical world through the 5 senses
53:13 <Warren1984> it's like solving a crime scene
53:26 <Warren1984> you need all the facts and pieces to the puzzle
53:27 <Abortion> we've been over the prosecution analogy before Warren1984
53:31 <Warren1984> until it's complete
53:59 <Warren1984> Abortion what about the methodical way
54:14 <Abortion> method still needs to be invented
54:17 <Warren1984> that is something useful to prove something
54:19 <Abortion> what about it?
54:30 <Warren1984> well you take an educated guess about something
54:45 <Warren1984> the use the methodical approach to prove or disprove it
54:50 <Warren1984> then
55:56 <Abortion> Warren1984: Tigger_ and I have been discussing the incompleteness of empirisicm and testing. It sounds good but there are some times when we just can't. Sometimes we only get one shot. Can't do much testing where your first go is the only one
57:45 <Abortion> Other times we can't find a testing methodology at all
59:31 <Abortion> This doesn't mean you can't use the methods, by all means, you should where you can
00:00 <Abortion> Its just, you have to proceed with incomplete information, sometimes more incomplete than you'd like
00:08 <Tigger_> the icecream bucket is frozen stuck in the icecream machine, I'll have to wait till it melts off a bit
00:18 <Abortion> As you said, we only have limited time, Warren1984
01:08 <Abortion> Wisdom is knowing at what point you have to make the decision (well wisdom is many things) and when to keep collecting information
01:19 <Warren1984> yeah I have made huge mistakes when it comes to time management
01:26 <Warren1984> think about this I am 31
01:39 <Warren1984> many people knew what they wanted to do when they were 15
01:45 <Abortion> I disagree
02:02 <Abortion> Lots of people go through life not really knowing what they want
02:03 <Tigger_> for decades they've been using masses of data to try and turn marketing into a science, and it's still pretty hit and miss
02:05 <Warren1984> and then you have everything else, like social skills, money, holidays etc
02:28 <Abortion> False cause Warren1984, I disagree
02:41 <Warren1984> Abortion do you find it easier to learn something that has pictures?
02:45 <Warren1984> like diagrams?
02:55 <Abortion> I haven't measured it enough to know
03:12 <Abortion> I do like diagrams though
05:44 <Warren1984> see when I was learning electronics the lecturer allowed me to use a digital voice recorder and he drew heaps of diagrams on the whiteboard
05:59 <Warren1984> I asked him heaps of questions, took lots of notes
06:20 <Abortion> I suspect your thing about people who know what they want when they were 15, you've been mainly reading about very successful people
06:57 <Abortion> What you haven't considered is people who have been successful despite not having a good concept, and those who have not been successful despite knowing what they want
07:05 <Warren1984> went back and listened to the recordings at home straight after class, studied my notes and also looked on youtube for explanations for anything I didn't understand
07:06 <Abortion> You've discounted all other factors
07:13 <Abortion> such as luck
07:39 <Abortion> Just as history is written by the winners, biographies are written by and for the successful
07:46 <Warren1984> yeah there is luck
08:02 <Abortion> As I've said before, all you can do is keep pushing through
08:11 <Warren1984> but if you put in more effort, have more resources, study harder you will pass
08:40 <Abortion> Thats still successful biography bias
08:49 <Abortion> I am sure there are people who have had that and still failed
09:19 <Abortion> I've said before, Luck is what gets you there, but hard work is the enabler
09:33 <Abortion> So just keep pushing
09:42 <Abortion> the alternatives are wasting away or suicide
10:01 <Warren1984> http://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/what-is-donald-trumps-hidden-agenda-for-making-controversial-statements/news-story/668b5946e8f9dc3e17bd6262cc010f18
11:29 <Tigger_> “It’s entirely possible that Trump is looking for ways to exit this race without appearing to quit,” political writer Sean Illing notes in an article in Salon
11:39 <Tigger_> Salon = wishful thinking in public
11:47 <Abortion> lol, if thats the case, he isn't succeeding
11:59 <Abortion> the electorates are lapping it up
12:43 <Tigger_> they've been going on with these hopeful theories from Day 1
13:08 <Abortion> Trump is seriously just spouting the nationalist line, which hasn't changed for centuries
13:25 <Abortion> It shouldn't be suprising that its washing well with people
13:40 <Abortion> only in times of extreme prosperity would that not work
16:51 <Abortion> "For King and Country!"
16:58 <Tigger_> the latest attack is that he's like Hitler, but since they've compared every conservative politician of the last few decades to Hitler, the shock effect just isn't there
17:55 <Abortion> Speaking of, I've never gotten around to reading Mein Kampf
18:52 <Abortion> All I can really say is that it goes on about bringing the German people together from the surrounding countries
21:16 <Abortion> which sounds a little bit like the zionist thinking of bringing together the jews from Diaspora
21:42 <Abortion> Main difference is the Germans weren't as widely distributed
22:01 <Abortion> and Germany was a lot larger only 50 years before
30:46 <Tigger_> Mein Kampf is primarily a response to Germany's defeat in the Great War, with a somewhat utopian edge about what Germany should be. he doesn't talk about Jews as much as you'd be given to believe, about negroes he's somewhat pitying
32:09 <Abortion> I've seen it said that Stalin was much worse than Hitler, but somehow Hitler got all the attention
32:22 <Tigger_> he makes some curiously insightful sociological observations, such as the aristocratic class and working class are a lot closer to each other in temperament, than either are to the middle class
32:27 <Abortion> well, appreciably worse
32:39 <Tigger_> Hitler is sexier than Stalin, who is a bit boring
33:04 <Abortion> so you're saying the moustashe and big pep talks are what did it?
34:14 <Tigger_> Hitler's charisma reverberates even today, maybe forever, but nobody really feels anything on an emotional level when Stalin is mentioned
34:39 <Tigger_> today there are Hitler cults in all sorts of unexpected places, like Africa, India, Mongolia, Malaysia
36:02 <Tigger_> http://www.vice.com/read/nazis-chic-is-asias-offensive-fashion-craze-456
36:44 <Abortion> yeah I've seen that
36:47 <Abortion> well not the article
36:54 <Abortion> but the people getting married in nazi uniform
37:02 <Abortion> asians specifically
39:45 <Tigger_> part of it I suspect is that Hitler was an artist, and was the first politician to really get into the visual aesthetics of the movement, he personally designed or oversaw so much of it
40:52 <Tigger_> perhaps ASIO should keep a closer eye on the art student drop outs
41:45 <Abortion> http://www.eviloverlord.com/lists/overlord.html #21, the comment about original uniforms
42:19 <Abortion> ignoring the nazi part (which obviously did not have prior art at the time) and the intentionally being evil part
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45:49 <Abortion> #37 a mistake hitler made
46:37 <Tigger_> If my trusted lieutenant tells me my Legions of Terror are losing a battle, I will believe him. After all, he's my trusted lieutenant.
47:08 <Tigger_> it must've been hard at that point
48:12 <Tigger_> but I don't see any real comparisons between Trump and Hitler, fascism is a Catholic thing, it doesn't spawn naturally in Protestant countries
48:55 <Abortion> >Tony Abbott was a catholic
49:03 <Abortion> well, still is
49:13 <Tigger_> yes, but we're a (nominally) Protestant country
49:53 <Tigger_> so though Abbott could be a fascist, it would be hard to take root here
50:55 <Abortion> >metadata retention
51:57 <Tigger_> I have a theory that fascism is a secular updating of the Catholic order of St. Benedict, and the rules of the Benedictine monasteries
54:59 <Tigger_> that though only intended for voluntary members of the monastery, over time it leaves a wider sociological footprint on Catholic society, a sense of what is good and proper, which eventually becomes transposed to secular politics
55:27 <Tigger_> and this is why fascist parties were very mainstream in Catholic countries, but very minor groups in Protestant countries
04:15 <Warren1984> Abortion each day Tigger_ makes a to-do list, prioritized the tasks, attaches deadlines and does not procrastinate
04:35 <Tigger_> procrastination is the only thing I don't procrastinate about
05:05 <Warren1984> Tigger_ is ruthless, cold and obsessed with efficiency
05:16 <Warren1984> he uses others and self to achieve goals
09:27 <Tigger_> what I should do is do a hijack of a plane carrying a big shipment of cocoa powder, that's the most expensive ingredient I have to deal with
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29:55 <Tigger_> here is the 2 litres of chocolate icecream I made today: http://imgur.com/pJXuyRc
30:26 <ajnin> nice work
30:32 <ajnin> looks a little soft
30:59 <Abortion> Ah but then its like mousse
31:03 <Abortion> chocolate mouse is the bomb
31:11 <Tigger_> it is when I took the photo, but an hour in the freezer and it'll be hard
31:30 <Tigger_> chocolate mousse is my ultimate goal
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36:13 <Mx_Trump> lololllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll
36:35 <Tigger_> morning Mx_Trump
36:57 <Mx_Trump> trump said theres parts of london the police wont go to
37:08 <Mx_Trump> so 300,000 have signed some petition to stop him entering the uk
37:11 <Mx_Trump> lollllllllllllllllllllllllllll
37:51 <Tigger_> they'll sign the petition, but they won't go into those areas in London he's talking about
38:28 <Mx_Trump> of course not
38:41 <Mx_Trump> or they will make some youtube video walking around those areas in the day time talking to one or two of them
39:08 <Tigger_> some house-trained muslims at best
41:07 <Mx_Trump> iveheard the muslim problem isnt that bad in london, its when you go further north to birmingham and places like that
42:42 <Abortion> No suprise, they don't have money to live so centrally
42:56 <Abortion> anyone with that much money is not going to be directly involved in anything
44:31 <Tigger_> this is a no-go area: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Borough_of_Tower_Hamlets
44:40 <Mx_Trump> the east end would have plenty of them
44:54 <Tigger_> Muslim kleptocrats are always elected to the local council
45:53 <Tigger_> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/8570506/Police-covered-up-violent-campaign-to-turn-London-area-Islamic.html
45:56 <Mx_Trump> Asian or Asian British 	41.1
46:08 <Mx_Trump> in england they have to be classified as asian
02:20 <Tigger_> In February this year, dozens of stickers appeared across Tower Hamlets quoting the Koran, declaring the borough a “gay-free zone” and stating that “verily Allah is severe in punishment.”
02:33 <Tigger_> the only solution is compulsory gay studies in Islamic primary schools
02:51 <Tigger_> with lessons where boys pretend to marry each other, and same for the girls
05:20 <Warren1984> http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/incidents/mh370-disaster-atsb-report-confirms-electrical-failure-before-disappearance/news-story/db81004f8a694fbdb2c06e3ca216de9c
05:47 <Tigger_> Warren1984, Mx_Trump, here is the 2 litres of chocolate icecream I made today: http://imgur.com/pJXuyRc
07:29 <Warren1984> yum
07:40 <Warren1984> which atheist made that Tigger_?
07:44 <Warren1984> MH370 disaster: Australian report confirms electrical failure before disappearance
08:32 <Tigger_> no atheist
08:51 <Warren1984> there was an atheist who made it
09:32 <Tigger_> the plane electrical system or the icecream?
12:21 <Warren1984> icecream
13:30 <Warren1984> If a plane has 5 different electrical backup systems it sounds more deliberate human intervention than just the electronics failing
13:43 <Tigger_> you might be right
14:04 <Warren1984> very very rare that 5 seperate electrical things would fail at the same time
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14:58 <Warren1984> I think it's 99% sureness it was deliberately done
16:21 <Warren1984> it's not really a big discovery that the electronics failed
16:30 <Warren1984> because it's obvious
16:53 <Warren1984> so I don't know why they would post that
17:28 <Warren1984> obviously ethanol got into the cockpit and used a soldering iron and solder sucker to remove the electronics
20:25 <Tigger_> do you do much soldering at Tafe?
21:08 <Warren1984> yeah
21:11 <Warren1984> The report provides four possible explanations for the outage, which place blame either on human intervention or a technical fault: crew action in the cockpit using overhead switches, a sudden error requiring an Auxiliary Power Unit to start emergency power, somebody pulling out and resetting circuit breakers in the equipment bay, or intermittent technical failures.
29:52 <Tigger_> maybe the pilot disconnected the power to the engines and navigation and communications system so he could plug in his icecream maker
34:22 <Warren1984> no contact to vietnamese air controllers but nearby planes could hear static and mumbling
34:46 <Warren1984> that could have being the fire
34:58 <Warren1984> electrical fire
35:16 <Warren1984> but then the plane would have crashed not long after
35:52 <Warren1984> most of these theories can be crossed off the list
36:02 <Tigger_> the icecream machine theory fits the best
40:59 <Warren1984> It could have been pilot suicide
41:50 <DinduAteMyBaby> http://imgur.com/reAWI4Y (NSFW)
42:15 <DinduAteMyBaby> Playboy cartoon from several decades ago.
42:17 <Tigger_> the other possibility is that the pilots were gay lovers, and suicided so that they could die together in each other's arms
43:23 <Tigger_> it must've been a very long time ago for there not to be protest marches outside their offices
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00:32 <Warren1984> Tigger_ what if MH370 was just a test of terrorism before a much bigger event will occur?
00:54 <Tigger_> I think they would have done it by now
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01:17 <Warren1984> so the terrorists don't want to let their secret to be found
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01:30 <DinduAteMyBaby> Terrorists don't need to be that sophisticated anymore
01:37 <DinduAteMyBaby> they don't even need to be organised
01:37 <Warren1984> I don't think anyone could remotely control the plane
01:50 <DinduAteMyBaby> all they need is a weapon and a handful of innocent bystanders
01:54 <Warren1984> you need wireless controls to fly a plane
02:12 <Warren1984> 777's don't have wireless controls
02:37 <Warren1984> and how the fuck would you control something so far into the ocean
02:42 <DinduAteMyBaby> 777s, like all modern aircraft, have complex control systems
02:52 <DinduAteMyBaby> they can practically land themselves
02:53 <Warren1984> you would need a very powerful controller
03:05 <Warren1984> yes true DinduAteMyBaby
03:10 <Warren1984> but not remote control
03:14 <Warren1984> put it this way
03:18 <Tigger_> unless you had another plane that tailed it, and it was controlled from there
03:43 <Warren1984> you could not hack my computer if I physically removed all the devices that network to my computer
04:09 <Warren1984> suicide is very possible, but why would someone do it in a complicated way like that
04:15 <Warren1984> maybe they want to be famous
04:17 <DinduAteMyBaby> https://twitter.com/Nero/status/674547417245728768
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05:01 <Warren1984> DinduAteMyBaby if my computer has no wireless connections or internet or LAN how is it possible to control my computer?
05:07 <Warren1984> likewise with the 777
05:13 <Tigger_> heh
05:27 <DinduAteMyBaby> Milo Yiannopoulos is an entertaining young fag
05:28 <Tigger_> otters have become one of the mascots of gamergate
06:06 <Tigger_> he still has much to learn from the master: https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/240462265680289792
06:31 <Warren1984> Tigger_ what is your theory on 777?
06:54 <Tigger_> I have no theory
07:59 <Warren1984> the static and mumbling heard by a nearby plane and the fact it did not contact vietnamese airspace, means someone didn't solder a joint properly
09:02 <Warren1984> I doubt it was terrorists
09:16 <Warren1984> terrorists would have flown the plane into a building
09:23 <Warren1984> flew
09:34 <Warren1984> they want max impact
09:47 <Warren1984> just pilot suicide
09:58 <DinduAteMyBaby> Trump (or one of his assistants) links to Daily Mail, Breitbart and Frontpage Magazine.
09:59 <Tigger_> maybe the pilot cut his finger on his V6 while using it in the cockpit
10:31 <Tigger_> it does appear to be Trump doing his own social media, apparently he only sleeps three hours a day
10:35 <Warren1984> the only reason why the pilot did that is because he wanted to be more famous than the guy on Germanwings
11:18 <Tigger_> Trump even appears to be familiar with EncyclopediaDramatica and 4chan, 8chan, etc.
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11:44 <Tigger_> Heartiste thinks that Trump reads him too
12:09 <Warren1984> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDJsl8QJsfE
12:14 <BlackDevil> Youtube: What Happened to MH370 Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 Air Crash Investigation (Dec 9, 2015) Length: 32:46 - Category: People & Blogs - 3 views views - 0 likes (0%), 0 dislikes (0%)
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32:14 <Warren1984> Tigger_ the MH370 is very unlikely to be a terrorist attack
32:41 <Warren1984> since 1. no de-stress calls, signals, skwark codes were entered
32:53 <Warren1984> 2. no one claimed responsibility for it
33:20 <Warren1984> 3. the terrorists would have wanted maximum damage
33:27 <mx_trump1> you are really on teh ball Warren1984
33:31 <Warren1984> i.e. flying it into a building
33:31 <mx_trump1> putin should hire you
33:37 <mx_trump1> chief investigator
33:46 <Tigger_> so that just leaves my theory, that they unplugged all the systems in order to plug in the icecream maker
33:57 <mx_trump1> the first thing to investigate is how that BUK missile missed tarryn's stinker
33:58 <Warren1984> so my conclusion is pilot suicide
34:52 <Tigger_> The Warren Commission
35:33 <Warren1984> hi-jackers would have demanded something by now
36:15 <mx_trump1> the pilot from 30,000 feet saw tarryn's stinker and suicided, that is very plausable
36:16 <Warren1984> why would hi-jackers or terrorists wait over 1 year now before they make a call
36:41 <Warren1984> they would need to provide food, shelter, water etc
36:44 <Warren1984> cost too much
38:24 <Tigger_> pizza vouchers
01:01 <mx_trump1> <@Tigger_> Warren1984, Mx_Trump, here is the 2 litres of chocolate icecream I made today: http://imgur.com/pJXuyRc
01:14 <mx_trump1> dont see any PD written in, might be fake
01:23 <Tigger_> I didn't think of that
01:26 <Tigger_> next time
04:01 <Tigger_> it will say "Breaking the Jewish icecream cartel for #PD"
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18:02 <Warren1984> Tigger_ this guy thinks he has the answer -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCKoy4Gff3M
18:06 <BlackDevil> Youtube: The Disappearance of Malaysian Flight MH 370: Unfinished Story? (Dec 2, 2015) Length: 16:05 - Category: Science & Technology - 703 views views - 63 likes (91.3%), 6 dislikes (8.7%)
18:22 <Tigger_> what is his answer?
20:01 <Tigger_> there will be headlines "Youtube user solves missing plane mystery"
23:14 <Tigger_> actually it's interesting to note that among the various conspiracy theories aliens are never or rarely mentioned, in the 1970s aliens would rank far higher on the list
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48:25 <Warren1984> watch the end part of it Tigger_
48:28 <Warren1984> hey doctor
50:49 <Warren1984> Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 is likely to have suffered an engine "flame-out" rather than a controlled ditching, according to new analysis conducted by the Australian Defence Science and Technology Group (DST).
50:57 <Warren1984> what is a flame-out?
52:10 <Tigger_> a flamer
06:51 <Tigger_> http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/12/10/04/2F3A8A7100000578-3353785-image-a-51_1449723292396.jpg
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14:33 <C2H50H> lol
15:57 <C2H50H> http://www.thegenderfairy.com/about.html
16:04 <C2H50H> oh, it's for real
16:31 <xm> that girl to the right looks like she is have orangutan
17:29 <C2H50H> Jo has two young sons, one of whom made a social transition to live as his true identity at age six. This was done with the loving support of family, friends, school, the community and health professionals.
19:15 <Tigger_> her next book will be about the suicide of transgender teens
20:26 <Tigger_> what I find extremely disturbing is the push for children to become trannies, no man in the park with a bag of boiled lollies is ever going to do so much harm
20:44 <C2H50H> I'm lost for words
21:08 <C2H50H> how can a child make that decision, independently I should add, at the age of 6?
21:37 <Tigger_> they can't
22:12 <C2H50H> I don't recall any of this nonsense when I was a kid
22:14 <Tigger_> there are some truly deranged parents out there pushing them in this direction for status levelling up
23:29 <C2H50H> the only cross-dresser I knew was the lebo on M.A.S.H.
23:40 <C2H50H> and he only did it for a section 8
24:46 <mx_trump1> lol bill shorten says abbotts views on muslims are not appropriate
24:53 <mx_trump1> you'd think abbott said to chop all muslims heads off
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25:47 <Tigger_> Shorten lost what zero respect I had for him when he retweeted #Illridewithyou
27:09 <Tigger_> while the siege was in progress too, if I remember correctly
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27:24 <mx_trump1> i wonder how much saudi arabia will donate to hillarys campaign so trump doesnt win
29:29 <Tigger_> I hope they do, and it's exposed mid-campaign
29:58 <mx_trump1> wouldnt be hard to set up some american company
30:14 <mx_trump1> i dont think they can accept donations from overseas
31:05 <Tigger_> they would have to channel the donations through hundreds of mosques
32:17 <Tigger_> I seriously doubt if Hillary will have that much support, votes for her will be more anti-Trump votes
32:44 <mx_trump1> lol some lefty on sky news 'there have been hundreds of mass shootings in america, how many of them were muslims? are you going to shut down all religions?'
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33:24 <Tigger_> the answer to that is "So you want to add more mass shootings to the hundreds we already have?"
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37:10 <Tigger_> ah, this is the term I was trying to think of: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munchausen_syndrome_by_proxy
37:26 <Tigger_> Munchausen syndrome by proxy (MSbP or MbP) is a behaviour pattern in which a caregiver fabricates, exaggerates, or induces mental or physical health problems in those who are in their care, usually to gain attention or sympathy from others.[1] With deception at its core, this behaviour is an elusive, potentially lethal, and frequently misunderstood form of child abuse[2] or medical neglect[3] that has been difficult to define, detect, and
37:26 <Tigger_> confirm.
38:13 <Tigger_> mothers now turn their kids into trannies rather than hurt them or make them sick to gain attention
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51:44 <Tigger_> A parent who seems to have an insatiable need for adulation or who makes self-serving efforts for public acknowledgment of their abilities.
52:05 <xm> it's always the mother that puts them up to it i reckon
52:07 <xm> more than the father
52:28 <xm> like the ridiculous stories you hear of boys donating "their entire savings" to a Mosque
53:08 <Tigger_> I'm sure on twitter there's at least one father who says "I'm so proud of my 8 year old son, he's just announced that he's gay."
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06:37 <mx_trump> lol trump support in carolina - 30% to 38% after the muslim comments
07:06 <mx_trump> he knows what the voters want
08:07 <Tigger_> meanwhile the other candidates spend millions on image consultants and marketing experts to try and make them popular
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11:30 <circle> ted cruz is better than trump
11:37 <circle> ted cruz wants to take on the federal reserve
11:43 <circle> the key instrument of jewish and anti-white control over the US
11:45 <circle> and the world in fact
11:52 <circle> hey mx_trump
12:04 <circle> i haven't seen any qt as good as that one i saw the other day
12:04 <Abortion> lol the juice is coming to get us
12:15 <circle> i saw one girl who worked at mcdonald's who looked incredibly healthy and beautiful
12:20 <circle> but she wasn't as pure and gorgeous as the other girl
12:43 <mx_trump> how old?
13:43 <Tigger_> it's about time that the moderators at the debates started asking some real hard hitting questions of Trump, "Mr. Trump, how will you deal with the Learned Elders?"
14:54 <mx_trump> lol fox are talking about trump, cnn are doing a debate on climate change
16:22 <Tigger_> Bernie Sanders: Trump is going to prevent terrorism by stopping muslim migration, carbon emitters are the real terrrorists!"
16:44 <mx_trump> lol
16:53 <mx_trump> are they still doing the democrat debates?
17:10 <mx_trump> hillarys been spending the last two years preparing
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18:41 <Tigger_> I watched the first one
18:48 <Tigger_> I couldn't get very far into the 2nd one
19:09 <Tigger_> Bernie suicided when he said he didn't care about Hillary's email server
19:18 <mx_trump> i couldnt stand watching them all grovel to hillary
19:50 <Tigger_> I put it down to him not knowing what email is
20:41 <mx_trump> whenever i think of bush i always think back to him standing up and declaring he is hillary's worst nightmare
20:55 <circle> mx_trump: she was probably about 15
20:59 <circle> actually probably 16
21:28 <mx_trump> thats a bit old by your standards isnt it?
21:45 <Tigger_> at 6% she's probably forgotten who he is
21:47 <mx_trump> dont u need to meet them at 12 or 13 so they are having kids by 15?
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24:35 <circle> yeah you do really
24:43 <circle> she didn't have that girlish cuteness to her
24:47 <circle> but she was very pretty
24:51 <circle> and so incredibly healthy looking
25:18 <mx_trump> lish should be here for this convo
25:33 <mx_trump> so you can make her feel old and like she has wasted her life as a wage slave
26:04 <circle> hahahaha
26:06 <circle> yeah tru
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29:54 <mx_trump> trump needs to come out and say all muslims in the US will be shot
29:58 <mx_trump> then he will surge in the polls
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30:38 <Tigger_> lol
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42:14 <circle> what do you think of this girl mx_trump
42:15 <circle> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Wuc_F5enAU
42:19 <BlackDevil> Youtube: Embarrassing old video of a young white girl rapping (Dec 5, 2015) Length: 1:23 - Category: Entertainment - 671 views views - 38 likes (86.4%), 6 dislikes (13.6%)
42:43 <riptalon> I'm astounded that Trump has the following he does tbh...
43:34 <Tigger_> actually it'd be good to ask all the people that thought George W Bush was like Hitler, what they think now
43:45 <mx_trump> circle i think she has some bad nigger influences in her life
43:52 <circle> haha she sure does
43:54 <circle> still pretty though
45:21 <riptalon> yeah, trump does tend to make W look relatively sane and competent...
46:37 <Marttin> who are you riptalon
47:50 <circle> bush was a leftist'
47:56 <circle> both bushes in fact
48:09 <riptalon> compared to who? Mussolini?
49:40 <Tigger_> lol
50:28 <Tigger_> the Bushes were leftist compared to most of the Republicans
52:06 <riptalon> Still a bit of a stretch to say they were leftists though...
52:14 <Tigger_> No Child Left Behind was a great example of a centralised leftwing education program
53:23 <Tigger_> one of its founding premises was that children of all races have equal intellectual ability
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01:37 <cherri_pie> wassup pd
01:57 <Tigger_> Donald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump 17m17 minutes ago
01:58 <Tigger_> Wow, my poll numbers have just been announced and have gone through the roof!
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02:02 <Tigger_> hi cherri_pie
03:06 <mx_trump> hopefully he gets the nigger vote
03:12 <mx_trump> he is very popular with them
03:35 <Tigger_> he'll get more than any Republican has since the 1930s
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04:13 <cherri_pie> you guys thinking that trump will win?
05:35 <Tigger_> he will
05:45 <Tigger_> first the Republican nomination, then the presidency
06:01 <cherri_pie> no way
06:05 <Tigger_> why not?
06:40 <erlich> what has he said about blacks so far?
06:46 <cherri_pie> the presidents are chosen by shadow organisations
06:49 <cherri_pie> not the people
07:09 <mx_trump> all ive heard him say about blacks is that he is the best thing for them and hillary will do nothing
07:11 <cherri_pie> trump is on a suicide mission he will never get elected
07:20 <erlich> probably true
07:24 <cherri_pie> hes out for blood to take down as many ppl as he can
07:27 <mx_trump> his poll numbers have gone up again after the muslim comments
07:27 <erlich> less mexicans, better for blacks
07:28 <cherri_pie> they will never let him in
07:32 <erlich> more welfare etc etc
07:36 <erlich> less crowded prisons
07:43 <Tigger_> he has said a few things about black lives matter, that blacks kill more blacks than anyone else
07:44 <mx_trump> cherri_pie who is 'they'?
07:49 <cherri_pie> theyre just letting him run to make a fool of himself
07:55 <cherri_pie> the people that really control the world
07:56 <mx_trump> oh yeah i forgot about that black comment
08:06 <cherri_pie> the same people that put obama in there as president
08:07 <erlich> i will laugh (happily) if he wins
08:12 <cherri_pie> he never will
08:15 <cherri_pie> mark my words
08:16 <erlich> it will just be too good to be true
08:18 <mx_trump> cherri_pie who is that? the jews?
08:20 <Tigger_> who are these people?
08:23 <cherri_pie> yeh basically the jews
08:27 <cherri_pie> secret societies
08:30 <mx_trump> jews going to rig the election
08:35 <cherri_pie> they always do
08:38 <cherri_pie> obama is a jew
08:40 <cherri_pie> didnt you know that
08:51 <cherri_pie> they rigged him in there
09:16 <cherri_pie> sorry if i was rude not sayin hi to you before tigger
09:22 <cherri_pie> just got onto a rant
09:27 <cherri_pie> how are you :)
09:28 <Tigger_> that's fine
09:34 <Tigger_> good, eating icecream
09:39 <erlich> coke for me
09:42 <cherri_pie> what ice cream is it
09:44 <erlich> standard coke
09:55 <cherri_pie> i saw fucking ben and jerrys ice cream for $14
10:00 <cherri_pie> for a small little thing
10:05 <Tigger_> chocolate icecream I made myself: http://imgur.com/pJXuyRc
10:06 <cherri_pie> must be about 500grams
10:30 <cherri_pie> looks cool tigger
10:36 <cherri_pie> iv always wondered how ppl make ice cream
10:38 <Tigger_> I made two litres for about $8
10:39 <cherri_pie> how did you do it
10:42 <cherri_pie> haha there you go
10:45 <Tigger_> I have a machine
10:51 <riptalon> that's my fill of loopy conspiracy weirdness for now...
10:55 <cherri_pie> cool
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11:01 <cherri_pie> i didnt know there was ice cream machines
11:06 <cherri_pie> you can buy anything these days
11:18 <mx_trump> ice cream machines have been around for a long time
11:23 <erlich> did you weigh it Tigger_
11:26 <Tigger_> here is my icecream machine: http://www.breville.com.au/the-smart-scoop.html
11:38 <erlich> i cant tell how 'airy' it is
11:49 <Tigger_> erlich, no, but from my inputs it should make about 2 litres or so
11:52 <erlich> i would love to make mousse, im addicted to it
12:03 <Tigger_> I will be making a mousse when I get my mixer
12:08 <erlich> today i had Woolworths Ganache, so yum
12:18 <erlich> Woolworths make GREAT biscuits
12:31 <Tigger_> they do
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14:36 <Tigger_> my ice cream machine helps me to bypass the Jewish controlled ice cream monopolies
14:57 <Tigger_> Ben and Jerry's is Jewish controlled
15:19 <erlich> im having icecream now
15:23 <erlich> but i dont know what flavour
15:31 <erlich> sara lee blueberry
15:33 <erlich> just checked
15:37 <erlich> brother scooped it
15:47 <Tigger_> Ben Cohen and Jerry Greenfield were childhood friends from New York. While Greenfield finished college, he found himself unable to make his way into medical school. Cohen dropped out of college.[2] In 1977 Cohen and Greenfield completed a correspondence course on ice cream making from Pennsylvania State University's Creamery
15:52 <erlich> id rather chocolate
16:16 <erlich> i wonder how med schools works in the USA
16:30 <erlich> admission wise that is
16:36 <mx_trump> lol fiorina on fox, what a loser
17:02 <Tigger_> she's still hanging around? what for?
17:38 <mx_trump> no idea, they ask a simple question and she just jibbers on with stuff shes memorised
17:43 <Tigger_> Raised in the town of Merrick on Long Island by Jewish parents Frances and Irving, Cohen first met and befriended his future business partner, Jerry Greenfield, in a seventh grade high school gym class in 1963.
17:45 <Tigger_> Jerry Greenfield was born in Brooklyn, New York into a Jewish family, son of a stockbroker.
18:05 <mx_trump> 'hillary doesnt have a plan, donald trump doesnt haave a plan, i have a plan'
18:10 <erlich> heh so stereotypical
18:25 <Tigger_> the Jewish cartels are why your ice cream is so expensive, $14 for 500ml
18:32 Join: JetstreamSam ([email protected]) to #politicaldebate
18:34 <erlich> are you for or against spiders Tigger_ ?
18:39 <erlich> personally, i like them separate
18:59 <erlich> i looked at the mcdonalds menu online once and spiders are listed. but nowhere in the restaurant
19:00 <Tigger_> they've never done anything for me actually, I won't say no if offered
19:51 <mx_trump> i know they had spiders about 3 yeras ago
19:54 <mx_trump> pigged a few down
19:58 <mx_trump> i had forgotten about them
20:29 <Tigger_> but yeah, I prefer coke and icecream separate, they are not a complimentary mix
20:42 <mx_trump> yes they are
21:25 <Tigger_> if it was chocolate icecream in creaming soda, that would be interesting
27:06 <erlich> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVxnKXLk6fA
27:10 <BlackDevil> Youtube: Flynn & Denton and Audrey Gallagher - Say My Name (Alex M.O.R.P.H. Remix) (Dec 1, 2014) Length: 9:54 - Category: Music - 22,518 views - 372 likes (99.2%), 3 dislikes (0.8%)
27:12 <erlich> why did i not see this song earlier...
27:55 Join: Rajarshi ([email protected]) to #politicaldebate
28:55 <Tigger_> I've heard this before
29:12 <erlich> the morph hix?
29:13 <erlich> mix*
29:31 <erlich> i think it's sublime
29:42 <erlich> amazing production
30:07 <Tigger_> yes
30:23 <Tigger_> though I do not regard production as a factor in appraising something
31:15 <erlich> i didnt know morph was German
31:19 <erlich> you'd never guess from that sound
32:22 <erlich> this is classical music... of the 21st century
32:58 <erlich> uplifting trance is weird because it is kinda similar to psytrance and also orchestral
33:05 <Tigger_> my position is that it's the baroque of the 21st century
33:13 <erlich> ive heard that before, maybe from you
33:20 <Tigger_> yes, I've talked about it before
33:39 <erlich> i have written a baroque-esque like piece before
34:08 <erlich> how would you explain baroque?
35:38 <Tigger_> to differentiate from Classical, short pieces of 5-10 minutes, a fairly limited number of instruments, exploration of a single melody
35:50 <erlich> i see
35:53 <Tigger_> Classical manages to do the opposite on all those points
36:05 <erlich> more bombastic too i suppose
36:10 <erlich> which i dont quite like
36:32 <erlich> which is why i dont bother with most mainstream pieces, as they seem to be more interested in utilising an entire orchestra
37:21 <Tigger_> it's something I was thinking about with regards to the appeal of trance/progressive, and how whenever you hear an ad, or background music in a documentary, etc., that they use music from the baroque era rather than classical
38:01 <Tigger_> think of the number of times you've overheard Pachabel's Canon, Bach's Toccata and Fugue, Vivaldi's Four Seasons, etc., compared to a 19th century composition
38:16 <erlich> when i was reading about how to write soundtracks at one time they said it was importnat not to overpower the scene, to work with it not dominate it
38:41 <erlich> i had Pachabels Canon
38:43 <erlich> hate*
38:55 <erlich> just one of those songs that ive heard too many times and it annoys me
43:30 <Tigger_> another thing that persuaded me was hearing orchestras performing trance pieces live, and the arrangement being not very different to the original studio recording, in contrast to those silly things where "London Symphony Orchestra Performs the Beatles", and the arrangements just use the melody but have an almost entirely original structure
43:58 <erlich> lmao
44:03 <erlich> performs the beatles
47:32 <erlich> i was just reading up on Garbage
47:34 <C2H50H> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGbfmhfv4c8
47:36 <C2H50H> :-p
47:36 <erlich> i thought they were yanks
47:38 <BlackDevil> Youtube: All Angels- Agnus Dei (Oct 17, 2009) Length: 9:52 - Category: Music - 35,222 views - 198 likes (99%), 2 dislikes (1%)
47:44 <erlich> but they are "Scottish-American"
47:44 Join: Warren1984 ([email protected]) to #politicaldebate
47:48 <erlich> ey Warren1984
47:57 <erlich> haha ive pasted All Angels in here before
48:03 <erlich> The Scientist
48:07 <erlich> they do great cross over covers
48:24 <erlich> wholesome white girls, but too old for circle
49:03 <erlich> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WecwpAwMPIw
49:06 <erlich> a significant improvement
49:07 <BlackDevil> Youtube: All Angels - The Scientist (Jun 15, 2008) Length: 4:02 - Category: Music - 440,015 views - 1,880 likes (98.2%), 35 dislikes (1.8%)
49:31 <Tigger_> the singer, Shirley Manson, is Scottish, she has an extremely thick accent too
49:39 <Warren1984> ey erlich
50:01 <Warren1984> Tigger_ how can I improve my relationships in the channel?
50:03 <erlich> i just really listen to Stupid Girl only
50:15 <erlich> Warren1984: start by shouting everyone with Dr Peppers
50:20 <C2H50H> I was a big Garbage fan in the late 90s
50:22 <Tigger_> I quite like Garbage
50:31 <erlich> and tell Doctor his work out is going well
50:36 <C2H50H> but their music is all the same
50:58 <erlich> im doing a cover of Stupid Girl
51:23 <Tigger_> they were from an era where bands only did the one song their entire career, in comparison they were really varied
51:58 <erlich> all of Oasis' songs were the same to me
52:11 <C2H50H> urgh
52:12 <erlich> and they're pricks too, especially over their anti-dance music stance
52:20 <erlich> the type of people you'd liek bashed
52:32 <C2H50H> they were too busy bashing each other
52:37 <erlich> true
52:48 <erlich> you wouldve thought they were Irish not English
53:17 <C2H50H> "The greatest band since the Beatles"
53:19 <erlich> although isnt Liam an ikrish name?
53:24 <erlich> Irish*
53:39 <Warren1984> [20:50] <erlich> Warren1984: start by shouting everyone with Dr Peppers <- lol
53:40 <Tigger_> I don't mind Oasis because they abused other bands that gave political lectures
53:54 <erlich> oh the surname is Irish
53:59 <erlich> haha did they?
54:03 <Warren1984> Tigger_ can you make me a list of things to remember so that I can improve my relationships in this channel?
54:12 <erlich> they wouldnt like Geldof then
54:23 <erlich> or U2
54:25 <erlich> obviously
54:41 <Tigger_> they hated U2 and Geldof
55:02 <Warren1984> Tigger_ how can I improve the relationship between you and I?
55:13 <Tigger_> I think it was Liam who said "People don't want to pay ridiculous ticket prices just to get a sermon from a stupid rock star"
55:25 <Warren1984> do you want massages, hot chocolate, bubble baths
55:37 <Tigger_> save those for Jen
55:57 <Warren1984> but Jen is not my gf you said
56:10 <C2H50H> she could be your girlfriend
57:11 <Tigger_> well not exclusive girlfriend
57:22 <Tigger_> must learn to share
57:25 <C2H50H> heh
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