// #politicaldebate — 2015-06-25
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00:00:26 <cita> Tigger_: Well, international business is tricky. Local responsiveness is a revenue driver, but also drives up costs. Global coordination lowers costs, but stifles costs.
00:01:30 <cita> Tigger_: The mass-market is pretty limited, because there's local tastes and what not. That's probably part of why there's still all the businesses in the other parts of the supply chain.
00:02:14 <Tigger_> the book "Poorly Made in China" argues that the Chinese are too dishonest in their business dealings to ever be more than slim margin manufacturers
00:02:54 <Tigger_> a HD TV is pretty much the same no matter what country you're in, there's no local taste to be considered
00:03:31 <Warren1984> Tigger_ -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEykVC8dCAA
00:03:32 <progressive> [ Sleet tries to make stepdads poorly toe better. - YouTube ] - www.youtube.com
00:05:10 <cita> Tigger_: Well, there's also political responses. Governments impose protectionist measures against China if China doesn't present an "even field". I haven't checked, but I imagine the game theoretic prediction would be the other countries retailers will hang around. That's not to say Chinese people just suck per se though. It's a bit more of an interaction... both groups being self-interested.
00:06:34 <Tigger_> there's nothing to stop Chinese setting up retail stores in Australia, like the German Aldi does, but there are no notable Chinese brand names, they manufacture to spec for western companies
00:07:27 <Warren1984> IvanTheBastard -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEykVC8dCAA
00:07:28 <progressive> [ Sleet tries to make stepdads poorly toe better. - YouTube ] - www.youtube.com
00:08:03 <Tigger_> they would need to acquire design skills to stand out in the market for a Chinese brand to have any identity or value, they're not even close to doing this
00:08:20 <Tigger_> in contrast the Japs were very good at establishing brands
00:08:59 <cita> Tigger_: They might be true, western companies supply they're output goals. Manufacturing's not just about those though, the process is also important. They might have a talent at doing that.
00:09:20 <cita> Tigger_: To be honest though, it's mostly to do with an oversupply of labour... which drives down the cost of labour.
00:10:08 <Tigger_> cheap labour is their main selling point, they don't even automate in a big way because peasants are always cheaper than a machine
00:10:53 <Mx_Brettingham_Netanyahu> the PD lolly company will be a gook free zone apart from xm
00:11:16 <Tigger_> but there is a cultural dimension to it too, China has always been an extremely low trust society, in contrast to high social capital Japan
00:11:44 <Warren1984> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QF_zCAwIOHU
00:11:44 <progressive> [ Dude sucks infected ingrown toenail - YouTube ] - www.youtube.com
00:11:53 <Mx_Brettingham_Netanyahu> however we will then exploit gook labour when the lefties get upset at our monster profits
00:12:57 <Tigger_> you can't do quality design, establish corporate identity and reputation when everyone concerned is trying to rip each other off for pennies
00:14:27 <Mx_Brettingham_Netanyahu> china is a third world country
00:14:30 <Mx_Brettingham_Netanyahu> its a dump
00:14:49 <Mx_Brettingham_Netanyahu> you cant compare them to japs
00:16:53 <Mx_Brettingham_Netanyahu> @Osskkaarr> I spent 6 months trying to understand him, help him better his life.. the whole time.. he was just repeating the cycle every week... nothing changed.. so I thought.. fuck it.. I tried.
00:16:58 <Mx_Brettingham_Netanyahu> lol is this mrwuf?
00:17:05 <Tigger_> but closer to home another reason why retail is doomed is that it is already at optimal efficiency, whereas delivery has plenty of headroom to improve speed and efficiency, like Amazon's experimenting with delivery drones
00:17:07 <anotherirc3r> what?
00:17:59 <Tigger_> MrWuf was imparting wisdom to Chris? probably while sitting cross legged and chanting "ohm"
00:18:06 <TiSk> waht?
00:18:18 <TiSk> lols
00:18:22 <TiSk> ohm
00:18:36 <TiSk> bop bop ba de whop
00:18:43 <TiSk> ohm
00:18:44 <Tigger_> lol
00:18:57 <anotherirc3r> lol
00:19:02 <anotherirc3r> silly TiSk
00:19:02 <xm> it's not mrwuf
00:19:13 <Mx_Brettingham_Netanyahu> wwho is it xm?
00:20:03 <xm> da master hacker
00:20:14 <anotherirc3r> be nice to him
00:20:16 <xm> if something is $1000 + GST
00:20:18 <Mx_Brettingham_Netanyahu> strum?
00:20:23 <xm> does that mean it is really $1100
00:20:28 <xm> just want to make sure
00:20:56 <Tigger_> xm, yes, so you make sure to keep the order just under $1000 AU
00:21:27 <Tigger_> some overseas retailers will do phony receipts for you to pass through customs at under $1000
00:22:20 <Mx_Brettingham_Netanyahu> buy $2000 worth of tampons from overseas
00:22:38 <Tigger_> my projector came from the US at half the price that Harvey Norman could do it for, and that was with GST added
00:23:20 <TiSk> <TiSK>
00:23:33 <TiSk> <TiSK><TiSK><TiSK><TiSK><TiSK><TiSK><TiSK>
00:23:45 <TiSk> lol lala
00:23:56 <Mx_Brettingham_Netanyahu> TiSk u got some vodka mate?
00:24:01 <TiSk> nope
00:24:06 <Mx_Brettingham_Netanyahu> whens pay day?
00:24:11 <TiSk> dont know
00:24:48 <Tigger_> http://www.amazon.com/b?node=8037720011 once this is perfected, most physical retail stores are going to be dead in the water
00:24:49 <progressive> [ Amazon Prime Air ] - www.amazon.com
00:27:49 <Mx_Brettingham_Netanyahu> lol nice video
00:29:55 <Tigger_> if you drove to the shop instead you'd still be looking for a parking space in that time
00:30:30 <Mx_Brettingham_Netanyahu> it would be an excellent idea if you felt like some party mix
00:31:14 <Warren1984> http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/teenagers-develop-condom-that-changes-colour-when-it-detects-a-sexually-transmitted-infection/story-fneuzlbd-1227413498638
00:31:15 <progressive> [ Students develop condom that changes colour when it detects STIs ] - www.news.com.au
00:31:52 <Tigger_> Three students from Isaac Newtown Academy in Essex — Daanyaal Ali, 14, Muaz Nawaz, 13, and Chirag Shah, 14 — came up with the idea because they wanted to “make detecting harmful STIs safer than ever before” without needing an invasive test.
00:32:09 <Tigger_> by their names it's clear that they have enough diseases between them to properly test it
00:40:11 <Tigger_> they could do pizza delivery with drones too
00:40:16 <Mx_Brettingham_Netanyahu> https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/10313820_633640626736690_3889859222996628937_n.jpg?oh=616fe0c17d7143d96f1ed263b482b508&oe=55F6D46C&__gda__=1438613766_a4b7ae272be8688051d857f9faa3331d
00:40:53 <Warren1984> http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/and-then-there-were-none-mh370-search-suddenly-paused/story-fnizu68q-1227413137811
00:40:54 <progressive> [ MH370 search put on hold as vessels head into port ] - www.news.com.au
00:41:08 <DoC> lolol Mx_Brettingham_Netanyahu
00:41:47 <Tigger_> lol
00:42:01 <Mx_Brettingham_Netanyahu> DAY 00
00:42:22 <anotherirc3r> rofl DAY 00
00:43:36 <Tigger_> Australia should bill Malaysia and China for the search costs
00:45:05 <Warren1984> Tigger_ it's more mysterious than the claremont serial killer
00:45:24 <Warren1984> I still stick to my opinion
00:45:55 <Warren1984> I think it's landed, the passengers were murdered
00:46:06 <Mx_Brettingham_Netanyahu> the claremont serial killer is not a mystery, we all know who the killer was
00:46:09 <Warren1984> and the plane is been turned into a nuclear weapon
00:46:19 <Warren1984> it was strum
00:46:33 <Mx_Brettingham_Netanyahu> tell him
00:47:13 <Warren1984> I don't know how they can call it a serial killer because of several facts
00:47:26 <Warren1984> serial killers usually develop an addiction
00:47:32 <Warren1984> and want to do it more and more
00:47:53 <Warren1984> they haven't found the 1st body yet, so they cannot confirm she is dead
00:48:09 <Tigger_> strum bashed them to death with his guitar
00:48:14 <Warren1984> the 2 murders could be seperate
00:48:42 <Warren1984> but I guess the police are withholding information, that make it consistent evidence
00:48:57 <Tigger_> that's because he moved to Denmark
00:49:07 <Tigger_> he's nowhere near Claremont now
01:01:44 <Tigger_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irS4FZuPgZQ
01:01:45 <progressive> [ Face tattoo model opens up about his quest for fame - YouTube ] - www.youtube.com
01:06:14 <cita> Mx_Brettingham_Netanyahu: *Yikes*, someone called nerdygirl just PMed me and said you'd be a bad wife, housekeeper and mother. Any idea why?
01:08:36 <anotherirc3r> lol
01:09:29 <Warren1984> nite all
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01:13:09 <Mx_Brettingham_Netanyahu> who? bullshit
01:16:08 <Mx_Brettingham_Netanyahu> probably oskar
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01:27:24 <AndChat|271284> Lol @ chuky and poo
01:28:45 <anotherirc3r> who are you AndChat|271284?
01:28:55 <AndChat|271284> Marttin
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01:30:12 <anotherirc3r> ohhh
01:30:21 <anotherirc3r> heya Marttin
01:31:29 Quit: cita ([email protected]) Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…
01:32:14 <Marttin> Props
01:36:15 <Tigger_> I have become insomniac again
01:37:10 <anotherirc3r> damn
01:37:37 <Tigger_> ah well, it was always going to happen
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02:03:48 <Tigger_> in some good news, my game now fully supports multiple armadas, and it's INSANELY HARD
02:06:10 Quit: shape ([email protected]) Ping timeout: 121 seconds
02:06:39 <anotherirc3r> great.. I couldn't get far before
02:09:18 <Tigger_> I can just barely finish one multi-armada level, and they're not even dropping bombs
02:09:45 <anotherirc3r> the bombs caught me off guard the first time I must admit
02:10:00 <Tigger_> is it stressful?
02:10:31 <anotherirc3r> yes!
02:10:53 <Tigger_> that's the idea, for there to be so many explosions going off all around you that you panic
02:11:24 <anotherirc3r> well, thanks a lot
02:12:31 Quit: IvanTheBastard ([email protected]) Quit: If you could reason with muslims, there would be no muslims
02:12:42 <Tigger_> rise to the challenge, triumph over adversity
02:13:24 <anotherirc3r> how about bash the creator of said game?
02:14:24 <Tigger_> by bash, you mean a high score challenge
02:14:47 <anotherirc3r> no.. hit, hurt etc
02:15:19 <Tigger_> you won't be saying that when I release it for the SNES
02:15:44 <anotherirc3r> you object to being bashed?
02:16:38 <Tigger_> my gaming skills should translate to real world reflexes, at least I hope so
02:17:08 <anotherirc3r> lol
02:18:59 <anotherirc3r> I wouldn't bash you
02:20:15 <Tigger_> you'd just chuck the gamepad at the screen, like most people do
02:21:23 <anotherirc3r> have a tantrum of some form, yeah
02:22:53 <Tigger_> I haven't gotten angry at a game in years, been a bit annoyed with Geometry Wars though
02:23:00 <Tigger_> a game I like, but am no good at it
02:30:15 <anotherirc3r> ninight
02:30:29 <anotherirc3r> getting sleepy and have to be up early
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06:15:23 <TiSk> morning
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08:12:00 <TiSk> sup
08:12:16 <TiSk> sup
08:35:00 <TiSk> found 2 new free games on psn store
08:35:00 <TiSk> dead or alive
08:35:00 <TiSk> 5
08:35:00 <TiSk> and defiance
08:35:19 <TiSk> found 2 new free games on psn store
08:35:26 <TiSk> dead or alive
08:35:28 <TiSk> 5
08:35:42 <TiSk> and defiance
08:37:00 <Marttin> Nice
08:37:00 <Marttin> Ive heard about both but never played them
08:37:10 <Marttin> Nice
08:37:24 <Marttin> Ive heard about both but never played them
09:04:00 <Marttin> Night
09:04:36 <Marttin> Night
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10:37:00 <anotherirc3r> heya
10:37:25 <anotherirc3r> heya
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10:43:00 <TiSk> morning
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10:44:00 <TiSk> morning
10:44:00 <anotherirc3r> hey Chris :)
10:44:37 <anotherirc3r> hey Chris :)
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11:04:00 <Warren1984> hi all
11:04:00 <Warren1984> yay my new hard disk has successfully changed into C:
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11:04:30 <Warren1984> hi all
11:04:47 <Warren1984> yay my new hard disk has successfully changed into C:
11:05:00 <Warren1984> using paragon
11:05:00 <anotherirc3r> hey Warren :)
11:05:02 <Warren1984> using paragon
11:05:56 <anotherirc3r> hey Warren :)
11:06:00 <Warren1984> hi Jen
11:06:42 <Warren1984> hi Jen
11:07:00 <anotherirc3r> nice work
11:07:09 <anotherirc3r> nice work
11:14:00 <Warren1984> what are you up to today, Jen?
11:15:00 <anotherirc3r> just went for a walk. yourself?
11:15:01 <Warren1984> what are you up to today, Jen?
11:15:47 <anotherirc3r> just went for a walk. yourself?
11:25:00 <Warren1984> I just woke up
11:25:00 <anotherirc3r> nice!
11:25:00 <Warren1984> seeing my sister leave for overseas at 11am perth time
11:25:00 <erlich> freeezing!
11:25:22 <Warren1984> I just woke up
11:25:34 <anotherirc3r> nice!
11:25:45 <Warren1984> seeing my sister leave for overseas at 11am perth time
11:26:00 <erlich> freeezing!
11:26:00 <anotherirc3r> ohhh
11:26:00 <Warren1984> yeah it is cold
11:26:00 <Warren1984> are you wearing a beanie and scarf
11:26:00 <Warren1984> and leather gloves
11:26:00 <erlich> no
11:26:00 <erlich> bbl
11:26:09 <anotherirc3r> ohhh
11:26:14 <Warren1984> yeah it is cold
11:26:22 <Warren1984> are you wearing a beanie and scarf
11:26:26 <Warren1984> and leather gloves
11:26:30 <erlich> no
11:26:31 <erlich> bbl
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12:08:00 <Warren1984> Tigger_ is cherry tree a good place to build knowledge about unacceptable behaviour
12:08:00 <Warren1984> wb Jen
12:08:03 <Warren1984> Tigger_ is cherry tree a good place to build knowledge about unacceptable behaviour
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12:08:55 <Warren1984> wb Jen
12:10:00 <anotherirc3r> thanks Warren
12:10:03 <anotherirc3r> thanks Warren
12:20:00 <Warren1984> Tigger_ do you use your 10TB SSD's for your collection of clip clop videos, cheaply?
12:20:00 <erlich> here's a good story for TiSk
12:20:00 <erlich> TiSk:
12:20:00 <erlich> Tigger_:
12:20:00 <erlich> http://www.inthemix.com.au/news/60770/How_superproducer_Scott_Storch_blew_his_70_million_fortune
12:20:00 <progressive> [ How super-producer Scott Storch blew his $70 million fortune ] - www.inthemix.com.au
12:20:28 <Warren1984> Tigger_ do you use your 10TB SSD's for your collection of clip clop videos, cheaply?
12:20:43 <erlich> here's a good story for TiSk
12:20:51 <erlich> TiSk:
12:20:53 <erlich> Tigger_:
12:20:57 <erlich> http://www.inthemix.com.au/news/60770/How_superproducer_Scott_Storch_blew_his_70_million_fortune
12:20:59 <progressive> [ How super-producer Scott Storch blew his $70 million fortune ] - www.inthemix.com.au
12:21:00 <erlich> niggah goes from 70 mill to zilch
12:21:00 <Warren1984> erlich go into #dissident and ask Strum how he organizes and uses knowledge
12:21:00 <Warren1984> anotherirc3r go into #dissident and ask Strum how he organizes and uses knowledge
12:21:06 <erlich> niggah goes from 70 mill to zilch
12:21:14 <Warren1984> erlich go into #dissident and ask Strum how he organizes and uses knowledge
12:21:54 <Warren1984> anotherirc3r go into #dissident and ask Strum how he organizes and uses knowledge
12:22:00 <erlich> im banned
12:22:00 <Tigger_> so even the white guys who write the music for rappers end up bankrupt
12:22:09 <erlich> im banned
12:22:57 <Tigger_> so even the white guys who write the music for rappers end up bankrupt
12:23:00 <anotherirc3r> I don't feel like it
12:23:28 <anotherirc3r> I don't feel like it
12:24:00 <Tigger_> morning all
12:24:48 <Tigger_> morning all
12:27:00 <anotherirc3r> morning Tigger
12:27:56 <anotherirc3r> morning Tigger
12:28:00 <Tigger_> hi anotherirc3r
12:28:44 <Tigger_> hi anotherirc3r
12:29:00 <Tigger_> I enjoy riches to rags stories, they're contemporary morality plays
12:29:36 <Tigger_> I enjoy riches to rags stories, they're contemporary morality plays
12:32:00 <Warren1984> erlich do you have a permanent ban
12:32:00 <Warren1984> like me
12:32:00 <erlich> yes
12:32:18 <Warren1984> erlich do you have a permanent ban
12:32:22 <Warren1984> like me
12:32:35 <erlich> yes
12:33:00 <Warren1984> Tigger_ sound organizer organizes information by date
12:33:00 <Warren1984> but is it better to break it up into categories?
12:33:40 <Warren1984> Tigger_ sound organizer organizes information by date
12:33:53 <Warren1984> but is it better to break it up into categories?
12:34:00 <Warren1984> would it be more benefical to break it up
12:34:00 <Tigger_> strum acquires knowledge by smoking bongs to give him enlightenment on the truth about jews
12:34:23 <Warren1984> would it be more benefical to break it up
12:34:48 <Tigger_> strum acquires knowledge by smoking bongs to give him enlightenment on the truth about jews
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12:50:00 <Warren1984> Tigger_ -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEykVC8dCAA
12:50:00 <progressive> [ Sleet tries to make stepdads poorly toe better. - YouTube ] - www.youtube.com
12:50:00 <Tigger_> dogs probably like the taste of pus
12:50:00 <Warren1984> nuh they just understand pain
12:50:08 <Warren1984> Tigger_ -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEykVC8dCAA
12:50:09 <progressive> [ Sleet tries to make stepdads poorly toe better. - YouTube ] - www.youtube.com
12:50:46 <Tigger_> dogs probably like the taste of pus
12:51:00 <Warren1984> nuh they just understand pain
12:51:00 <Warren1984> It's a way of empathy
12:51:00 <Warren1984> Psoriasis is not an infection
12:51:22 <Warren1984> It's a way of empathy
12:51:50 <Warren1984> Psoriasis is not an infection
12:52:00 <Warren1984> but my old dog would lick in on my skin, because he instintively knew something was wrong
12:52:00 <Warren1984> lick my Psoriasis on my leg
12:52:16 <Warren1984> but my old dog would lick in on my skin, because he instintively knew something was wrong
12:52:35 <Warren1984> lick my Psoriasis on my leg
12:53:00 <Tigger_> because it's yummy to a dog
12:53:00 <Tigger_> wb anotherirc3r
12:53:00 <anotherirc3r> thanks Tigger
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12:53:09 <Tigger_> because it's yummy to a dog
12:53:13 <Tigger_> wb anotherirc3r
12:53:53 <anotherirc3r> thanks Tigger
12:56:00 <Tigger_> some more comics arrived today, turned up while I was still asleep
12:56:00 <anotherirc3r> ohhh nice
12:56:35 <Tigger_> some more comics arrived today, turned up while I was still asleep
12:56:48 <anotherirc3r> ohhh nice
12:57:00 <erlich> Tigger_: my sister just came in. she showed me this hidden key and then unlocked this drawer, and it was full of chocolate
12:57:00 <erlich> timtams, bueno etc
12:57:00 <erlich> what a funny girl
12:57:00 <erlich> the secret stash
12:57:28 <erlich> Tigger_: my sister just came in. she showed me this hidden key and then unlocked this drawer, and it was full of chocolate
12:57:32 <erlich> timtams, bueno etc
12:57:43 <erlich> what a funny girl
12:57:48 <erlich> the secret stash
12:59:00 <anotherirc3r> where are you?
12:59:33 <anotherirc3r> where are you?
13:02:00 <Tigger_> wow erlich!!!
13:02:04 <Tigger_> wow erlich!!!
13:03:00 <Tigger_> so why did she reveal her secret?
13:03:24 <Tigger_> so why did she reveal her secret?
13:15:00 <TiSk> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eM8Npv13Qmg
13:15:00 <progressive> [ gimme what ya got Vs Alisid - YouTube ] - www.youtube.com
13:15:00 <TiSk> twins
13:15:00 <TiSk> :P
13:15:53 <TiSk> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eM8Npv13Qmg
13:15:54 <progressive> [ gimme what ya got Vs Alisid - YouTube ] - www.youtube.com
13:15:56 <TiSk> twins
13:15:58 <TiSk> :P
13:16:00 <anotherirc3r> I wish I was drunk
13:16:51 <anotherirc3r> I wish I was drunk
13:17:00 <TiSk> dang
13:17:00 <TiSk> im now drunk
13:17:00 <TiSk> not
13:17:00 <TiSk> hmm dyslexic typing
13:17:00 <anotherirc3r> I want to be
13:17:00 <TiSk> u got money
13:17:00 <Tigger_> a remix of a Veronicas song?
13:17:00 <TiSk> yes
13:17:07 <TiSk> dang
13:17:11 <TiSk> im now drunk
13:17:27 <TiSk> not
13:17:38 <TiSk> hmm dyslexic typing
13:17:42 <anotherirc3r> I want to be
13:17:49 <TiSk> u got money
13:17:53 <Tigger_> a remix of a Veronicas song?
13:17:59 <TiSk> yes
13:18:00 <anotherirc3r> yes I have money
13:18:00 <TiSk> then u can get drunk
13:18:00 <TiSk> but u want someone to drink with?
13:18:00 <Tigger_> anotherirc3r, drink Dr Pepper
13:18:00 <anotherirc3r> no. a bottle of scotch sounds good about now
13:18:07 <anotherirc3r> yes I have money
13:18:15 <TiSk> then u can get drunk
13:18:27 <TiSk> but u want someone to drink with?
13:18:30 <Tigger_> anotherirc3r, drink Dr Pepper
13:19:00 <anotherirc3r> no. a bottle of scotch sounds good about now
13:19:00 <TiSk> dam
13:19:00 <Tigger_> TiSk, your song grows on me after awhile
13:19:00 <TiSk> sure does
13:19:00 <TiSk> glen fiddick
13:19:00 <TiSk> is good scotch
13:19:00 <anotherirc3r> I'll drink it straight
13:19:00 <TiSk> oh oh
13:19:18 <TiSk> dam
13:19:21 <Tigger_> TiSk, your song grows on me after awhile
13:19:22 <TiSk> sure does
13:19:45 <TiSk> glen fiddick
13:19:50 <TiSk> is good scotch
13:19:55 <anotherirc3r> I'll drink it straight
13:20:00 <TiSk> oh oh
13:20:00 <TiSk> pays to see that
13:20:00 <TiSk> :)
13:20:00 <TiSk> bbs
13:20:05 <TiSk> pays to see that
13:20:16 <TiSk> :)
13:20:35 <TiSk> bbs
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13:34:00 <Tigger_> wb anotherirc3r
13:34:00 <anotherirc3r> thanks
13:34:36 <Tigger_> wb anotherirc3r
13:34:45 <anotherirc3r> thanks
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14:04:00 <TiSk> Tigger_
14:04:00 <TiSk> https://youtu.be/Ro_v6h_SwLY
14:04:00 <progressive> [ Works Pretty Good - YouTube ] - youtu.be
14:04:23 <TiSk> Tigger_
14:04:24 <TiSk> https://youtu.be/Ro_v6h_SwLY
14:04:25 <progressive> [ Works Pretty Good - YouTube ] - youtu.be
14:05:00 <Tigger_> what's going on there?
14:05:06 <Tigger_> what's going on there?
14:07:00 <TiSk> i rip a bong have lid of jim beam
14:07:00 <TiSk> rip a bong
14:07:46 <TiSk> i rip a bong have lid of jim beam
14:07:49 <TiSk> rip a bong
14:08:00 <Tigger_> why would you upload a video of yourself committing a criminal act?
14:08:00 <TiSk> it isnt
14:08:00 <TiSk> it wasnt weed
14:08:00 <Tigger_> ok
14:08:17 <Tigger_> why would you upload a video of yourself committing a criminal act?
14:08:25 <TiSk> it isnt
14:08:35 <TiSk> it wasnt weed
14:08:38 <Tigger_> ok
14:10:00 <TiSk> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jdt59FebD3I
14:10:00 <progressive> [ hardstyle changes 2015 - YouTube ] - www.youtube.com
14:10:33 <TiSk> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jdt59FebD3I
14:10:34 <progressive> [ hardstyle changes 2015 - YouTube ] - www.youtube.com
14:25:00 <Tigger_> `topic Neurological anomaly of the day, "aphantasia", the inability to mentally visualise: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/23/science/aphantasia-minds-eye-blind.html
14:25:59 <Tigger_> `topic Neurological anomaly of the day, "aphantasia", the inability to mentally visualise: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/23/science/aphantasia-minds-eye-blind.html
14:53:00 <erlich> But average CPCs can run much higher -- $28.55, for example, for the phrase "auto insurance." Those prices make it more difficult for new advertisers to turn a profit from PPC traffic. In such cases, SEO might be a better choice.
14:53:00 <erlich> !!!
14:53:00 <erlich> it must be big business
14:53:25 <erlich> But average CPCs can run much higher -- $28.55, for example, for the phrase "auto insurance." Those prices make it more difficult for new advertisers to turn a profit from PPC traffic. In such cases, SEO might be a better choice.
14:53:29 <erlich> !!!
14:53:35 <erlich> it must be big business
15:01:00 <Tigger_> what they don't tell you is that if Google detects that a site is using common SEO techniques to game the results, the site gets ranked way down
15:01:38 <Tigger_> what they don't tell you is that if Google detects that a site is using common SEO techniques to game the results, the site gets ranked way down
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16:26:21 <erlich> do you know which common SEO techniques are penalised?
16:26:42 <StrykerX> White text on white background
16:29:39 <Tigger_> erlich, no, Google keeps that a secret, like everything else with their search algorithms, anyone claiming to know is guessing
16:31:21 <erlich> i know things liek backlinking, keyword density bombing and hidden text are blackhat
16:31:26 <erlich> but not sure what else is blacklisted
16:31:34 <StrykerX> Hidden text is penalised.
16:31:46 <StrykerX> Not "claiming" to know, experienced it firsthand.
16:31:52 <erlich> im curious how many people have their hands on the algorithm
16:32:00 <StrykerX> As soon as my client went out on her own to save costs and did hidden text
16:32:05 <StrykerX> She dropped 4 pages
16:32:42 <erlich> it is funny when you see people advertising they will your submit your site to thousands of engines
16:32:57 <erlich> when really the top 3 are what everyone uses in teh west
16:33:14 <erlich> also there are free pages to do that if you want to be that thorough
16:33:53 <StrykerX> cPanel can do it on its own.
16:33:58 <StrykerX> No cost.
16:34:29 <Tigger_> Yahoo was the only notable search engine that required submission, but even that was a very long time ago, when they weren't really a search engine but an index
16:34:48 <erlich> yeah
16:35:07 <StrykerX> I remember those days
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16:37:34 <Tigger_> hi Lish
16:37:47 <Lish> Brb
16:37:54 <StrykerX> lol
16:37:58 <StrykerX> Joins to say brb
16:37:59 <erlich> http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-33237863
16:38:01 <progressive> [ Man builds giant computer at home - BBC News ] - www.bbc.com
16:38:07 <erlich> crazy but interesting
16:38:14 <erlich> like the #pd collective
16:39:12 <TiSk> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cplpnVHKXBo
16:39:12 <progressive> [ Life - Full Movie (1999) Eddie Murphy & Martin Lawrence - YouTube ] - www.youtube.com
16:39:17 <erlich> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HL72rdUfXEo
16:39:18 <progressive> [ System F - Dance Valley Theme 2001 - YouTube ] - www.youtube.com
16:39:19 <erlich> love this song
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16:39:27 <TiSk> system f old as
16:39:45 <TiSk> wb
16:39:56 <erlich> TiSk: yeap
16:40:02 <erlich> you like system f?
16:40:09 <erlich> it's really just ferry corsten
16:40:18 <TiSk> yep
16:40:19 <anotherirc3r> thanks :)
16:40:25 <Tigger_> Mr Newman said: "My mother keeps asking, 'What can it do?' I keep saying, 'It's a computer, it can do anything.'
16:40:30 <Tigger_> lol
16:40:32 <TiSk> i put ferry corsten remix on youtube yesterday
16:40:36 <erlich> LOL yeah
16:40:45 <erlich> he is very spergy isnt he
16:40:48 <Tigger_> very
16:40:51 <erlich> that dedication is definitely of sperg levels
16:41:18 <TiSk> cant download movies nemore
16:41:25 <TiSk> have get netflix again
16:41:38 <TiSk> and a screen capture program
16:41:44 <TiSk> lols
16:41:48 <TiSk> if u know what i mean
16:41:57 <erlich> http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-06-25/david-leyonhjelm-raises-doubts-over-aboriginal-occupants/6572704
16:41:58 <progressive> [ Senator David Leyonhjelm questions if Aboriginals were first occupants of Australia; says it would be 'bizarre' to put into constitution - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) ] - www.abc.net.au
16:42:23 * erlich throws away the mouse pad
16:42:32 <Tigger_> there is Mungo Man, with genetic proof that he's not related to any modern aborigines
16:43:04 <erlich> ill have to read about Mungo Man again, fascinating stuff
16:43:41 <erlich> "We've been here since more than 40,000 years. If he wants to go have a fight with scientists and anthropologists then that's where he needs to take that fight up." <--- so in this case they say 40k not 60+k
16:43:59 <Tigger_> Senator Leyonhjelm cited the cave art known as the Bradshaws or Gwion Gwion in the Kimberley in Western Australia, although he mistakenly said they were in the Northern Territory.
16:44:10 <erlich> INTRODUCTION TO AUSTRALIA'S ABORIGINAL CULTURE
16:44:11 <erlich> Australia's Aboriginal culture probably represents the oldest surviving culture in the world, with the use of stone tool technology and painting with red ochre pigment dating back over 60,000 years.
16:44:16 <Tigger_> the Bradshaws are disputed, but it's a lot harder to argue about Mungo Man
16:44:18 <erlich> http://www.aboriginalculture.com.au/introduction.shtml
16:44:21 <progressive> [ Aboriginal Culture - Introduction to Australia's Aboriginal Culture ] - www.aboriginalculture.com.au
16:44:28 <erlich> it's like the holocaust, several different figures are given
16:45:57 <erlich> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxYQ7AJz91U <--- one of the first trance tracks i ever liked seriously
16:45:57 <progressive> [ System F - Out Of The Blue 2010 (Hi_Tack Extended Mix) - YouTube ] - www.youtube.com
16:46:07 <Tigger_> this is the sort of do it yourself madness that could actually tempt me: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UulJaoDAflw
16:46:08 <progressive> [ Lego Computer : Digicomp by Nico71 - YouTube ] - www.youtube.com
16:46:13 <erlich> ahhh but this is a remix
16:47:35 <erlich> that is very nerdy
16:47:58 <erlich> the results are too abstract to entice the average person
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16:48:07 <erlich> they wouldnt get it
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16:48:50 <erlich> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qgx_V0So0qk
16:48:51 <progressive> [ System F - Out Of The Blue (Official Video) - YouTube ] - www.youtube.com
16:48:53 <erlich> ok the proper video
16:48:58 <erlich> now we can all get nostalgic
16:49:29 <erlich> but it kind of reminds me of teh song "born to be alive"
16:49:40 <erlich> "you were born...born...born to be alive"
16:49:42 <erlich> you know that song?
16:49:49 <erlich> Irish guy i think
16:50:07 <Tigger_> I was reading about how Tesla could conceive of machines in his mind before ever committing it to paper, claiming that it was all mentally visualised, including its operation, and discovering flaws in the design and correcting them
16:50:20 <Tigger_> Patrick Hernandez?
16:50:25 <erlich> i read a Tesla quote last night
16:50:44 <erlich> about how all things he conceived came from the core of the universe but that he had no proof of it but knewit were true
16:50:56 <Tigger_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UaJAnnipkY
16:50:58 <progressive> [ Patrick Hernandez - Born to Be Alive - Official Video (Clip Officiel) - YouTube ] - www.youtube.com
16:51:18 <erlich> yes, that's the one
16:51:20 <erlich> catchy song
16:51:36 <erlich> now if you listen to "Out of the blue" some parts are similar
16:51:44 <erlich> funny video as well
16:51:50 <erlich> you should watch Blondie - Rapture
16:51:54 <erlich> last time you had YT problems
16:52:39 <erlich> you will like the video
16:54:43 <Tigger_> I know the song, don't recall having seen a video
16:55:39 <Tigger_> it's amazing the number of songs I know well, yet had no idea there was a video for them
17:14:34 <Tigger_> absolutely incredible game done in GM:S, I'm jealous: http://www.deathsgambit.com/
17:14:34 <progressive> [ Death's Gambit ] - www.deathsgambit.com
17:16:07 <erlich> ive given up on games
17:16:13 <erlich> didnt get far to begin with i suppose
17:16:36 <erlich> that has an oldskol fool
17:16:38 <erlich> feel*
17:16:59 <erlich> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vertical_search
17:16:59 <progressive> [WIKIPEDIA] Vertical search | "A vertical search engine, as distinct from a general web search engine, focuses on a specific segment of online content. They are also called specialty or topical search engines. The vertical content area may be based on topicality, media type, or genre of content. Common verticals include shopping,..."
17:17:04 <erlich> something i learnt today
17:17:09 <Tigger_> they must have a fair few artists working for them, I can't imagine one person doing all that
17:17:23 <erlich> yeah
17:17:29 <erlich> that looks more like a team effort
17:19:24 <Tigger_> 4 people, and they need more
17:19:35 <Tigger_> another programmer in particular
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17:19:58 <erlich> ive been listening to heaps of old trance for work lately
17:20:04 <erlich> given progressive a break
17:20:48 <Tigger_> how old?
17:21:35 <erlich> 1998-2001
17:21:39 <erlich> roughly that
17:21:54 <erlich> right now a 1999 mix
17:22:03 <erlich> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7wqUKzACAI
17:22:04 <progressive> [ 1999 Trance Classics mixed by Jammy - YouTube ] - www.youtube.com
17:22:29 <erlich> or another way to decribe it... the Push - Universal sound
17:22:41 <Tigger_> I hate old trance I have to admit
17:23:17 <erlich> i grew up with it so it's not so bad
17:23:21 <erlich> a few were in mod/xm files
17:23:30 <erlich> Tisk's sort of music
17:23:59 <Tigger_> Push is pretty good
17:24:09 <erlich> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBCs7uTr8Mk
17:24:10 <progressive> [ Alien Factory - Get the future started - YouTube ] - www.youtube.com
17:28:25 <TiSk> fuck this
17:28:29 <TiSk> fucken tempted
17:28:35 <TiSk> so i give in
17:28:41 <TiSk> now they dont even care
17:28:48 <TiSk> fuckend cunts
17:32:00 <TiSk> rest of my life
17:32:12 <TiSk> cuase youre fucked in the head
17:33:32 <StrykerX> Relax tisk
17:33:37 <StrykerX> Seriously dude
17:33:38 <TiSk> all i look forward too
17:33:40 <StrykerX> Chill the fuck out
17:33:44 <TiSk> is a fb msg once a month
17:33:49 <TiSk> ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
17:34:01 <StrykerX> Is it really worth raging over?
17:35:03 <TiSk> just shoot me
17:35:05 <TiSk> bash me
17:35:08 <TiSk> kill me
17:35:12 <TiSk> if i cant see her
17:35:16 <TiSk> then i dont want to live
17:36:39 <erlich> bash, kill me, jew me, black me
17:37:06 <erlich> all i wanna say is that they dont really care about us
17:38:16 <StrykerX> Who's "her", TiSk?
17:38:49 <erlich> sara
17:38:53 <erlich> saraaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
17:38:55 <StrykerX> Ah
17:39:02 <StrykerX> So THATS who Sara is!
17:39:09 <erlich> just replace stella with sara
17:39:12 <erlich> SARAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!
17:39:33 <erlich> cant you hear me yell-a
17:39:36 <erlich> SARAAA
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18:26:43 <erlich> http://www.copyblogger.com/introvert-content-marketing/
18:26:44 <progressive> [ 5 Ways an Introvert Can Build a Thriving Online Audience - Copyblogger ] - www.copyblogger.com
18:26:50 <erlich> introverted female geek
18:26:53 <erlich> asian
18:28:00 <anotherirc3r> potential gf?
18:31:09 <erlich> my dungeon's at full capacity at the moment
18:31:19 <erlich> so no for now
18:32:30 <anotherirc3r> lol @ dungeon
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18:42:51 <TiSk> fb chat will not connect
18:42:54 <TiSk> :/
18:43:48 <TiSk> in fact fb is fucked
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19:09:15 <Warren1984> hi all
19:25:59 <Tigger_> hi Warren1984
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19:38:10 <Warren1984> hey Tigger_
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19:38:23 <Tigger_> what did you do today?
19:38:27 <Warren1984> http://www.news.com.au/technology/science/greedy-python-bites-off-more-than-he-can-chew-attempts-to-eat-porcupine/story-fnjwkt0b-1227414412872
19:38:27 <progressive> [ Python snake swallows porcupine: Photos ] - www.news.com.au
19:38:38 <Warren1984> waited at the airport for 3 hours
19:38:43 <exem> 1000 Wazz
19:38:44 <Warren1984> to see my sister leave
19:38:49 <Warren1984> yep 1000
19:39:13 <Warren1984> transfered my bank account from an award saver to a gold saver
19:39:25 <Warren1984> need to put a minimum of $100 per fortnight in
19:39:48 <Tigger_> excellent
19:39:49 <exem> U can do it
19:40:17 <Tigger_> so the minimum deposit to start it is $1000, with $200 a month regular deposit?
19:40:24 <exem> Then buy a 5000 WaZz psu
19:46:01 <Tigger_> death by confusion: http://imgur.com/9fEGZEz
19:46:01 <progressive> [ Imgur ] - imgur.com
19:49:13 <exem> Is that safe for bus
19:49:59 <Tigger_> yes
19:50:02 <Tigger_> just my game
19:50:52 <exem> I like how theres a dark peak in the distance
19:51:11 <exem> Gives it even more depth
19:52:17 <Tigger_> you mean the surface of the player planet? I created that in Vue
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19:59:29 <Tigger_> http://imgur.com/gallery/If2Owjc
19:59:30 <progressive> [ banana - GIF on Imgur ] - imgur.com
20:01:17 <exem> Cutey
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20:48:22 <Warren1984> I offically have my Dad's car now
20:50:54 <Tigger_> how is it?
20:51:15 <Warren1984> it's good
20:53:20 <Tigger_> very good
20:54:09 <IvanTheBastard> burnouts iin balga time boiii!
21:02:53 <Tigger_> lol
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21:33:00 <TiSk> argh going crazy
21:33:42 <TiSk> argh going crazy
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21:34:00 <TiSk> woohooo :P
21:34:00 <TiSk> hi
21:34:00 <anotherirc3r> hey Chris :)
21:34:00 <TiSk> hi hun
21:34:00 <anotherirc3r> how are you?
21:34:00 <TiSk> better now sober
21:34:00 <TiSk> hows u
21:34:00 <anotherirc3r> lol okay
21:34:07 <TiSk> woohooo :P
21:34:10 <TiSk> hi
21:34:21 <anotherirc3r> hey Chris :)
21:34:30 <TiSk> hi hun
21:34:39 <anotherirc3r> how are you?
21:34:49 <TiSk> better now sober
21:34:55 <TiSk> hows u
21:34:57 <anotherirc3r> lol okay
21:35:00 <anotherirc3r> I'm alright thanks
21:35:00 <TiSk> wish could hug
21:35:00 <TiSk> will hug sockzie later
21:35:03 <anotherirc3r> I'm alright thanks
21:35:35 <TiSk> wish could hug
21:35:45 <TiSk> will hug sockzie later
21:36:00 <anotherirc3r> awww cute
21:36:00 <TiSk> be more fun if was u
21:36:00 <TiSk> :)
21:36:14 <anotherirc3r> awww cute
21:36:27 <TiSk> be more fun if was u
21:36:30 <TiSk> :)
21:37:00 <anotherirc3r> awww that's sweet !
21:37:00 <TiSk> gotta find me a gf
21:37:00 <TiSk> but i scared of everything
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21:37:18 <anotherirc3r> awww that's sweet !
21:37:47 <TiSk> gotta find me a gf
21:37:59 <TiSk> but i scared of everything
21:38:00 <TiSk> O_o
21:38:00 <TiSk> cant drink so cant go pubs to find girls
21:38:00 <TiSk> or i can drink but i dont like pubs
21:38:02 <TiSk> O_o
21:38:14 <TiSk> cant drink so cant go pubs to find girls
21:38:30 <TiSk> or i can drink but i dont like pubs
21:40:00 <anotherirc3r> why not?
21:40:00 <TiSk> they rip ppl off
21:40:19 <anotherirc3r> why not?
21:40:45 <TiSk> they rip ppl off
21:42:00 <anotherirc3r> well, true
21:42:00 <anotherirc3r> do you like the atmosphere though?
21:42:00 <TiSk> nup
21:42:00 <TiSk> i dont like heaps of ppl around me
21:42:12 <anotherirc3r> well, true
21:42:23 <anotherirc3r> do you like the atmosphere though?
21:42:29 <TiSk> nup
21:42:41 <TiSk> i dont like heaps of ppl around me
21:43:00 <anotherirc3r> introvert?
21:43:00 <TiSk> nah
21:43:00 <TiSk> paranoid
21:43:07 <anotherirc3r> introvert?
21:43:32 <TiSk> nah
21:43:35 <TiSk> paranoid
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21:46:00 <anotherirc3r> what about?
21:46:00 <TiSk> just its feeling
21:46:36 <anotherirc3r> what about?
21:46:52 <TiSk> just its feeling
21:47:00 <TiSk> about everything
21:47:00 <anotherirc3r> oh okay :/
21:47:02 <TiSk> about everything
21:47:43 <anotherirc3r> oh okay :/
21:49:00 <TiSk> gonna have nap prob wake up like 2am
21:49:00 <TiSk> lol
21:49:49 <TiSk> gonna have nap prob wake up like 2am
21:49:50 <TiSk> lol
21:49:59 <TiSk> night Jen
21:50:00 <TiSk> night Jen
21:51:49 <Tigger_> I'm extremely tired today
21:52:18 <anotherirc3r> night now?!
21:52:41 <Tigger_> all of today I was half asleep
21:52:45 <Tigger_> and now
21:53:00 <Tigger_> I'm extremely tired today
21:53:00 <anotherirc3r> night now?!
21:53:00 <Tigger_> all of today I was half asleep
21:53:00 <Tigger_> and now
21:54:00 <anotherirc3r> sleep for you too?!
21:54:00 <Tigger_> no
21:54:00 <anotherirc3r> not yet?
21:54:00 <Tigger_> being half asleep isn't the same as being asleep
21:54:00 <Tigger_> I'll probably be up all night, half asleep
21:54:07 <anotherirc3r> sleep for you too?!
21:54:11 <Tigger_> no
21:54:20 <anotherirc3r> not yet?
21:54:23 <Tigger_> being half asleep isn't the same as being asleep
21:54:33 <Tigger_> I'll probably be up all night, half asleep
21:58:00 <anotherirc3r> true
21:58:00 <anotherirc3r> knowing you
21:58:56 <anotherirc3r> true
21:58:59 <anotherirc3r> knowing you
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22:14:00 <Mx_Brettingham_Netanyahu> loloololllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll
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22:14:18 <Mx_Brettingham_Netanyahu> loloololllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll
22:16:00 <anotherirc3r> heya Brett
22:16:00 <Tigger_> hello doctor, Mx_Brettingham_Netanyahu
22:16:22 <anotherirc3r> heya Brett
22:16:54 <Tigger_> hello doctor, Mx_Brettingham_Netanyahu
22:24:00 <Mx_Brettingham_Netanyahu> morning all
22:24:56 <Mx_Brettingham_Netanyahu> morning all
22:29:00 <Mx_Brettingham_Netanyahu> why hasnt loyal gook got that dissident script going yet?
22:29:01 <Mx_Brettingham_Netanyahu> why hasnt loyal gook got that dissident script going yet?
22:33:00 <Tigger_> I think he's banned too
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22:33:57 <Tigger_> I think he's banned too
22:35:00 <anotherirc3r> he is
22:35:00 <Mx_Brettingham_Netanyahu> he just has to make it, anotherirc3r can run it
22:35:17 <anotherirc3r> he is
22:35:38 <Mx_Brettingham_Netanyahu> he just has to make it, anotherirc3r can run it
22:39:00 <Tigger_> I remember reading about a project to join channels across different irc networks, a person would join a channel on one network, and a bot would be created under their nick on all the other servers to clone what they say
22:39:47 <Tigger_> I remember reading about a project to join channels across different irc networks, a person would join a channel on one network, and a bot would be created under their nick on all the other servers to clone what they say
22:40:00 <Tigger_> something like that would be good for #dissident
22:40:02 <Tigger_> something like that would be good for #dissident
22:42:00 <Tigger_> here is one solution, there are probably others: http://sourceforge.net/projects/relay-bot/
22:42:00 <progressive> [ IRC Channel Relay Bot download | SourceForge.net ] - sourceforge.net
22:42:00 <xm> anotherirc3r, how good are you with Linux???
22:42:13 <Tigger_> here is one solution, there are probably others: http://sourceforge.net/projects/relay-bot/
22:42:13 <progressive> [ IRC Channel Relay Bot download | SourceForge.net ] - sourceforge.net
22:42:43 <xm> anotherirc3r, how good are you with Linux???
22:43:00 <anotherirc3r> ugh.. never used it
22:43:16 <anotherirc3r> ugh.. never used it
22:44:00 <Mx_Brettingham_Netanyahu> what do you use mirc?
22:44:25 <Mx_Brettingham_Netanyahu> what do you use mirc?
22:45:00 <Tigger_> mirc should be banned
22:45:00 <anotherirc3r> no.. I'm on my phone
22:45:36 <Tigger_> mirc should be banned
22:45:46 <anotherirc3r> no.. I'm on my phone
22:46:00 <Mx_Brettingham_Netanyahu> what client? xm will make it work on it
22:46:00 <Mx_Brettingham_Netanyahu> adaptable gook
22:46:03 <Mx_Brettingham_Netanyahu> what client? xm will make it work on it
22:46:15 <Mx_Brettingham_Netanyahu> adaptable gook
22:47:00 <xm> hexchat
22:47:00 <xm> she's using her phone though
22:47:00 <Mx_Brettingham_Netanyahu> she needs to leave her computer running 24/7
22:47:00 <xm> call it something innocuous like mossad
22:47:15 <xm> hexchat
22:47:30 <xm> she's using her phone though
22:47:46 <Mx_Brettingham_Netanyahu> she needs to leave her computer running 24/7
22:47:58 <xm> call it something innocuous like mossad
22:48:00 <xm> mossad1948
22:48:00 <Tigger_> bots can run as a script on a conventional client, but you have have a bot that runs on a server
22:48:04 <xm> mossad1948
22:48:05 <Tigger_> bots can run as a script on a conventional client, but you have have a bot that runs on a server
22:49:00 <Mx_Brettingham_Netanyahu> he would get suspicious
22:49:44 <Mx_Brettingham_Netanyahu> he would get suspicious
22:50:00 <xm> then we create a new channel
22:50:00 <xm> #dissidentwatch
22:50:41 <xm> then we create a new channel
22:50:44 <xm> #dissidentwatch
22:56:00 <Tigger_> http://imgur.com/gallery/AnpID
22:56:00 <progressive> [ I know we shouldn't mess with nature but I'm glad the Russians did. - Album on Imgur ] - imgur.com
22:56:28 Quit: Brendan ([email protected]) Z-Lined
22:56:55 <Tigger_> http://imgur.com/gallery/AnpID
22:56:55 <progressive> [ I know we shouldn't mess with nature but I'm glad the Russians did. - Album on Imgur ] - imgur.com
23:00:45 Quit: Mx_Brettingham_Netanyahu ([email protected]) Quit:
23:01:00 <cita> Mx_Brettingham_Netanyahu: You can just rent space on a server... like a shell account. You don't need to leave your computer running 3600secs x 24 times/day x 365.25 days/year.
23:01:40 <cita> Mx_Brettingham_Netanyahu: You can just rent space on a server... like a shell account. You don't need to leave your computer running 3600secs x 24 times/day x 365.25 days/year.
23:05:00 <Tigger_> most server providers ban irc scripts though
23:05:05 <Tigger_> most server providers ban irc scripts though
23:06:00 <cita> Tigger_: Yeah, not bouncer accounts though and they're cheap.
23:06:46 <cita> Tigger_: Yeah, not bouncer accounts though and they're cheap.
23:07:00 <xm> for the same reason they ban most gaming servers. it attracts trouble... DDoS etc
23:07:00 <cita> xm: Yeah, a fair few businesses offer shell account specifically targeting an IRC user market segment though. They advertise features like IRC bouncers etc.
23:07:03 <xm> for the same reason they ban most gaming servers. it attracts trouble... DDoS etc
23:07:55 <cita> xm: Yeah, a fair few businesses offer shell account specifically targeting an IRC user market segment though. They advertise features like IRC bouncers etc.
23:08:00 <xm> that's because they are catering for a niche market. and they also provide a lot of vhosts etc
23:08:00 <xm> i dont think you can much else
23:08:00 <xm> i think they are a rip though. for $5 you can get a VPS and have access to more
23:08:25 <xm> that's because they are catering for a niche market. and they also provide a lot of vhosts etc
23:08:47 <xm> i dont think you can much else
23:09:00 <xm> $5 p/m
23:09:00 <xm> or free with Amazon for the first 12 months
23:09:00 <xm> when you see *.amazonaws.com on IRC it's most likely someone using the free service
23:09:01 <xm> i think they are a rip though. for $5 you can get a VPS and have access to more
23:09:08 <xm> $5 p/m
23:09:13 <xm> or free with Amazon for the first 12 months
23:09:48 <xm> when you see *.amazonaws.com on IRC it's most likely someone using the free service
23:10:00 <Tigger_> what is the actual cost after 12 months?
23:10:00 <xm> not sure
23:10:19 <Tigger_> what is the actual cost after 12 months?
23:10:36 <xm> not sure
23:11:00 <Tigger_> amazon probably use some complicated formula
23:11:00 <xm> i wonder what drove them to this market
23:11:28 <Tigger_> amazon probably use some complicated formula
23:11:52 <xm> i wonder what drove them to this market
23:12:00 <xm> possibly an internal need and then they thought they may as well sell it externally
23:12:00 <xm> RoR was initially an internal thing
23:12:09 <xm> possibly an internal need and then they thought they may as well sell it externally
23:12:18 <xm> RoR was initially an internal thing
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23:14:00 <Tigger_> yes, back in the early 2000s Bezos issued a dictate that every division in the company must use the internal API to standardise everything, and it was the server division that laid down the groundwork for everything to follow
23:14:42 <Tigger_> yes, back in the early 2000s Bezos issued a dictate that every division in the company must use the internal API to standardise everything, and it was the server division that laid down the groundwork for everything to follow
23:20:00 <xm> i wonder how many http://i.imgur.com/zwImHuT.jpg
23:20:00 <xm> -i wonder how many*
23:20:33 <xm> i wonder how many http://i.imgur.com/zwImHuT.jpg
23:20:55 <xm> -i wonder how many*
23:21:00 <xm> http://i.imgur.com/ohazzoV.jpg
23:21:36 <xm> http://i.imgur.com/ohazzoV.jpg
23:25:00 <Tigger_> I'd like to know more about that village
23:25:00 <Tigger_> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3117557/The-eerie-beauty-China-s-seaside-ghost-town-Stunning-images-abandoned-fishing-village-green-wonderland-swallowed-mother-nature.html
23:25:00 <progressive> [ How a abandoned fishing village in China became a green wonderland | Daily Mail Online ] - www.dailymail.co.uk
23:25:00 <xm> daily mail never shall fail
23:25:17 <Tigger_> I'd like to know more about that village
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23:25:47 <Tigger_> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3117557/The-eerie-beauty-China-s-seaside-ghost-town-Stunning-images-abandoned-fishing-village-green-wonderland-swallowed-mother-nature.html
23:25:49 <progressive> [ How a abandoned fishing village in China became a green wonderland | Daily Mail Online ] - www.dailymail.co.uk
23:26:00 <xm> http://i.imgur.com/EkiNEXS.jpg
23:26:00 <xm> im sure you can relate to that too
23:26:01 <xm> daily mail never shall fail
23:26:40 <xm> http://i.imgur.com/EkiNEXS.jpg
23:26:44 <xm> im sure you can relate to that too
23:27:00 <Tigger_> heh, that happens now and then
23:27:21 <Tigger_> heh, that happens now and then
23:28:00 <Tigger_> the way it happens for me is that my code starts to get more and more spaghetti-ish, and it miraculously works, but don't ask me to explain it
23:28:00 <xm> http://i.imgur.com/Q2C82jc.jpg
23:28:00 <xm> expectant cat
23:28:15 <Tigger_> the way it happens for me is that my code starts to get more and more spaghetti-ish, and it miraculously works, but don't ask me to explain it
23:28:38 <xm> http://i.imgur.com/Q2C82jc.jpg
23:28:43 <xm> expectant cat
23:29:00 <xm> http://i.imgur.com/qNoKrvI.jpg <-- quite clever
23:29:00 <Tigger_> that's a Dr. Evil cat
23:29:19 <xm> http://i.imgur.com/qNoKrvI.jpg <-- quite clever
23:29:53 <Tigger_> that's a Dr. Evil cat
23:33:00 <xm> everytime i refactor im scared ive probably broken something somewhere
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23:33:54 <xm> everytime i refactor im scared ive probably broken something somewhere
23:34:00 <xm> but when you work with ruby the code is so terse that it's easier to make fewer mistakes
23:34:20 <xm> but when you work with ruby the code is so terse that it's easier to make fewer mistakes
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23:37:00 <Tigger_> that's a big problem with game coding, timing is everything, and if a change causes an event to mistime, it throws out everything that follows, often in a spectacular fashion
23:37:10 <Tigger_> that's a big problem with game coding, timing is everything, and if a change causes an event to mistime, it throws out everything that follows, often in a spectacular fashion
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23:38:00 <xm> David was explaining to me today why ASP.NET apps on the web are so poor
23:38:55 <xm> David was explaining to me today why ASP.NET apps on the web are so poor
23:39:00 <xm> i never had thought about this before
23:39:00 <Tigger_> why?
23:39:00 <xm> but he said it was because they are trying to write desktop apps on the web and small things like slower speeds with MS SQL accessing and limited resources on the web throw it out
23:39:02 <xm> i never had thought about this before
23:39:08 <Tigger_> why?
23:39:54 <xm> but he said it was because they are trying to write desktop apps on the web and small things like slower speeds with MS SQL accessing and limited resources on the web throw it out
23:40:00 <xm> on the desktop there are more resources of course
23:40:00 <xm> they have the desktop mentality still
23:40:02 <xm> on the desktop there are more resources of course
23:40:14 <xm> they have the desktop mentality still
23:41:00 <xm> the speed difference between a web asp.net app and a desktop one would be great of course
23:41:00 <xm> when they are functionally equivalent
23:41:07 <xm> the speed difference between a web asp.net app and a desktop one would be great of course
23:41:22 <xm> when they are functionally equivalent
23:42:00 <Tigger_> that partially explains it, but I've seen so many ASP sites down at 2 or 3 in the morning, when one assumes that few people are viewing the site, so shouldn't be overloaded
23:42:00 <xm> i dont think they understand the stack properly
23:42:00 <Tigger_> Australian ones that is
23:42:00 <xm> like im not even sure if most ASP.NET know JS well
23:42:00 <xm> developers*
23:42:00 <xm> i think ASP.NET generates a bit for them
23:42:00 <xm> it's been years since ive done it ive forgotten
23:42:07 <Tigger_> that partially explains it, but I've seen so many ASP sites down at 2 or 3 in the morning, when one assumes that few people are viewing the site, so shouldn't be overloaded
23:42:25 <xm> i dont think they understand the stack properly
23:42:29 <Tigger_> Australian ones that is
23:42:31 <xm> like im not even sure if most ASP.NET know JS well
23:42:46 <xm> developers*
23:42:54 <xm> i think ASP.NET generates a bit for them
23:43:00 <xm> it's been years since ive done it ive forgotten
23:44:00 <Tigger_> my personal theory is that ASP.NET is institutionally taught, whereas LAMP is frequently self-taught, so you get a lot of idiots who pass certification but don't really know what they're doing
23:44:56 <Tigger_> my personal theory is that ASP.NET is institutionally taught, whereas LAMP is frequently self-taught, so you get a lot of idiots who pass certification but don't really know what they're doing
23:46:00 <xm> i think businesses are slowly moving away from that accreditation thing. it means peanuts now and industry knows it -- and during times like these they want experienced people with that token certification
23:46:00 <xm> it's interesting to go on seek regularly
23:46:44 <xm> i think businesses are slowly moving away from that accreditation thing. it means peanuts now and industry knows it -- and during times like these they want experienced people with that token certification
23:46:57 <xm> it's interesting to go on seek regularly
23:47:00 <xm> although i dont like their interface
23:47:00 <xm> they always, always ask for more than they can bargain for
23:47:00 <xm> i think it's a bad idea because it's intimidating the application and leaves the impression they are both out of touch and demanding
23:47:00 <xm> applicant*
23:47:06 <xm> although i dont like their interface
23:47:23 <xm> they always, always ask for more than they can bargain for
23:47:43 <xm> i think it's a bad idea because it's intimidating the application and leaves the impression they are both out of touch and demanding
23:47:51 <xm> applicant*
23:48:00 <Tigger_> and want you to stop what you're doing and adjust the receptionist's monitor angle
23:48:00 <xm> most applicants dont know that the HR person just wants to cover all bases the lazy way, rather than talking to a candidate and assessing them
23:48:00 <xm> lol -- i remember working in a small company once
23:48:23 <Tigger_> and want you to stop what you're doing and adjust the receptionist's monitor angle
23:48:31 <xm> most applicants dont know that the HR person just wants to cover all bases the lazy way, rather than talking to a candidate and assessing them
23:48:55 <xm> lol -- i remember working in a small company once
23:49:00 <xm> and i was asked to do networking and ms word errands
23:49:07 <xm> and i was asked to do networking and ms word errands
23:50:00 <xm> strangely enough i kinda prefer working for a small company
23:50:46 <xm> strangely enough i kinda prefer working for a small company
23:51:00 <xm> they might get you to do more but once you know everything there you become indispensable
23:51:00 <xm> the last place didnt want me to leave, even followed me up post mental ward
23:51:38 <xm> they might get you to do more but once you know everything there you become indispensable
23:51:54 <xm> the last place didnt want me to leave, even followed me up post mental ward
23:53:00 <xm> in a larger company i could be fired if they caught me using IRC and saying unPC things in #pd
23:53:00 <xm> * Now talking on #python
23:53:00 <xm> <xm> you're a coder?
23:53:00 <xm> <phix> yup
23:53:00 <xm> <phix> print i + " <3" for i in ['xm']
23:53:00 <xm> <xm> im more of a Ruby guy
23:53:34 <xm> in a larger company i could be fired if they caught me using IRC and saying unPC things in #pd
23:53:56 <xm> * Now talking on #python
23:53:56 <xm> <xm> you're a coder?
23:53:56 <xm> <phix> yup
23:53:58 <xm> <phix> print i + " <3" for i in ['xm']
23:54:00 <xm> <xm> im more of a Ruby guy
23:54:00 <xm> <xm> can we still be friends?
23:54:00 <xm> <phix> hmmmm, only if you promise to learn python :)
23:54:00 <xm> <phix> I mean I know VBS / VBA but I dont like it
23:54:00 <xm> <xm> i wouldnt mind learning Python for AI probably
23:54:00 <xm> <xm> would it be good for AI?
23:54:00 <xm> <xm> i did run an AI Python script years ago
23:54:00 <xm> <phix> python is good for everything
23:54:00 <xm> the enthusiasm is strong in that one
23:54:02 <xm> <xm> can we still be friends?
23:54:04 <xm> <phix> hmmmm, only if you promise to learn python :)
23:54:06 <xm> <phix> I mean I know VBS / VBA but I dont like it
23:54:08 <xm> <xm> i wouldnt mind learning Python for AI probably
23:54:10 <xm> <xm> would it be good for AI?
23:54:13 <xm> <xm> i did run an AI Python script years ago
23:54:15 <xm> <phix> python is good for everything
23:54:17 <xm> the enthusiasm is strong in that one
23:55:00 <Tigger_> I've never heard anything bad about Python, but it seems to lack a killer app
23:55:44 <Tigger_> I've never heard anything bad about Python, but it seems to lack a killer app
23:56:00 <xm> true. it seems to be more of an academic thing to me
23:56:00 <xm> other than what happens behind the scenes with YT and Google
23:56:07 <xm> true. it seems to be more of an academic thing to me
23:56:16 <xm> other than what happens behind the scenes with YT and Google
23:58:00 <Tigger_> I'm not aware of any notable games written in Python, I have looked before but there wasn't much
23:58:00 <Tigger_> probably some game servers script with Python though
23:58:24 <Tigger_> I'm not aware of any notable games written in Python, I have looked before but there wasn't much
23:58:43 <Tigger_> probably some game servers script with Python though
23:59:00 <Warren1984> being driving my new car around
23:59:00 <xm> <phix> I also do stuff in scala, which is ok but resource hungry, like ruby
23:59:00 <xm> <phix> you need at leasat 4GB RAM to use it
23:59:00 <xm> 4GB!!!
23:59:00 <Warren1984> xm have you taken your meds
23:59:26 <Warren1984> being driving my new car around
23:59:43 <xm> <phix> I also do stuff in scala, which is ok but resource hungry, like ruby
23:59:43 <xm> <phix> you need at leasat 4GB RAM to use it
23:59:44 <xm> 4GB!!!
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