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19:44 <arch> i need to practice my welds on some t-posts or something
36:34 Join: Kuschelpony ([email protected]) to #eevblog
44:01 <K> hello Kuschelpony
44:12 <Kuschelpony> and hello k
50:43 <steve30> hi
51:04 <Kuschelpony> and hello steve
51:46 Join: Nothing\ ([email protected]) to #eevblog
51:57 <Kuschelpony> sooo, today i learned that "ironing beads" have close to 3mm hole diameter, so they fit totally well on M3 screws as spacers, also i see ideas for low-loss dielectric feedthrough connections
52:19 <Nothing\> heya Kuschelpony
52:27 <Nothing\> what's an ironing bead? never heard of those before
52:32 <Kuschelpony> and hello to Nothing, nice to se you back as well
52:37 <Nothing\> then again, i've never ironed a single garment in my life
52:46 <Nothing\> Kuschelpony, hope you're well
52:51 <Nothing\> and all else
52:59 <Kuschelpony> oh these are polyethylene beads, that you put on a kind of matrix, to form a kind of pixel image
53:13 <Nothing\> Kuschelpony, oh i think i know what you mean
53:16 <Kuschelpony> then you use your clothing iron to met the perals together to a solid plastic plate
53:31 <Kuschelpony> kind of hand operated very low resolution almost 3d printer
54:21 <Nothing\> Kuschelpony, actually there was a product here that was like that called aquadots where they screwed up the coating on the beads and wound up coating them in 1,4-butanediol, which happens to be metabolized into GHB, a potent sedative and "daterape drug" which the news loved
54:32 <Nothing\> "children's toy laced with daterape drug" made for a good headline
54:39 <Kuschelpony> hahah
55:09 <Nothing\> it's funny because i knew people who actually bought 1,4-butanediol to get high on
55:17 <Nothing\> but i think it's used mostly as an industrial solvent
55:32 <Kuschelpony> i had heard about aquadots but did not do further research as im looking for more technical ways to use the polymer ones
56:01 <Nothing\> there's another chemical that's similarly metabolized into GHB called GBL, or gammabutyrolactone that is used commonly as a solvent and cleaning product for everything from circuit boards to fuel injectors
56:28 <Nothing\> Kuschelpony, indeed i figured what you were doing was a bit more technical, heh
56:41 <Nothing\> it's like saying you're an engineer when all you do is build legos
57:19 <Kuschelpony> oh, you can do pretty solid engineering in Lego, if you weld the pieces to a solid construction
57:26 <Nothing\> i can't count how many lego gear trains i've seen that have a ratio of like 1,000,000,000:1
57:44 <Nothing\> Kuschelpony, i agree absolutely
57:46 <Kuschelpony> i know companies who sel lego-compatible axles and gears machined in aluminium and carbon fibers
57:50 <Nothing\> i've seen some impressive builds out of lego
58:17 <Nothing\> and with 3d printing, you could conceivably make your own parts, which gives almost unlimited potential
58:42 <Kuschelpony> also somewhere in the past i made some own 3d printed parts to put things like potentiometers and stepper motor adapters
58:45 <Kuschelpony> yes
58:49 <Nothing\> likewise you could probably make some solid pixel-art with aquadots
59:03 <Kuschelpony> well its the puropse of these beads to make pixelart
59:39 <Kuschelpony> maybe already today i will also try to melt them with hotair
01:11 <Nothing\> Kuschelpony, I think every scientist/mechanic/engineer has had to build their own parts/apparatuses at some point
01:44 <Kuschelpony> definitely
01:50 <Nothing\> i watched a video about car mechanics the other day and they were even talking about how they have to cobble together say, a socket adapter to get into a really tight spot if they haven't got anything that can do it.
02:03 <Nothing\> and how they basically do that any time they don't have the tool for the job
02:07 <Nothing\> heck, even farmers do it
02:23 <Kuschelpony> as i read these old scientific papers, in the 1800s they detailed described everything from wood carving to glassblowing to build their apparatus,
02:39 <Nothing\> haha i was just talking to somebody on reddit the other day about that
02:52 <Nothing\> he was saying some institutions actually had in-house glassblowers
03:12 <Nothing\> but yeah, the things they were able to make was just impressive
03:18 <Nothing\> even just a water jacket cooled condensor
03:44 <Nothing\> it just occurred to me there are probably some nice videos of people making such things
03:54 <Nothing\> i know you don't watch youtube or anything, but just for my own curiosity
03:57 <Kuschelpony> sure, universities had literally makers for everything in house
04:42 <Nothing\> Kuschelpony, the thing is though, i'm sure by the time you work your way up to a research position for example, you've probably at some point had to do your own glassblowing working independently.
05:04 <Nothing\> Unless they just went straight from academic pursuits to research in the same institution
05:49 <Kuschelpony> hmmm might be different todays, but i DO see the split between scientists who can build their own stuff (and they are amazing people) and scientists who are better to buy everything from specialized companies
06:00 <Nothing\> I always wondered how mathematicians used to do the massive amounts of menial calculations and arithmetic that would have been necessary before calculators.
06:07 <Kuschelpony> from the first category, i know someone who just assemble 200kg lead bricks in his kitchen :)
06:34 <Kuschelpony> oh, that was not done by mathematicans, that was done by computers
06:46 <Nothing\> I feel like some would have relegated the task to an apprentice, or understudy. Or maybe schools used grad students do it to rack up practical experience.
06:57 <Kuschelpony> "Computers" were in the past humans who spent their day and got paid to calculate arithmetic stuff
07:26 <Kuschelpony> that went upto the late 1960s where most of the moon landing was calculated by human computers
07:28 <Nothing\> on the other hand, the mathematician would have to have a lot of trust in the skills of the one the task is relegated to since the smallest error would negate all of their work
07:46 <Nothing\> Kuschelpony, heh yeah i figured some probably hired computers as well
07:49 <Kuschelpony> well it was done reduant by at least two different people, and the results compared
08:01 <Nothing\> i'm thinking in the context of maybe 1700s-1800s
08:18 <Kuschelpony> also calculations were done in many "slices" and all the time with error checking
08:27 <Kuschelpony> as said it went upto the 1960s this way
08:36 <Nothing\> Kuschelpony, ahahah i didn't even think of that but it makes so much sense that i feel remiss for not having thought of it.
08:55 <Nothing\> yeah, mechanical calculators never seemed to catch on very much for serious work like that
09:09 <Kuschelpony> well, human computers made as much errors as relay computers with bugs stuck in the relays :)
09:15 <Nothing\> they seemed to be used more for day to day tasks. But I could be wrong.
09:30 <Nothing\> Kuschelpony, lol is that where the term bug originates?
09:46 <Nothing\> i know some (or all?) bugs are attracted to electricity, so I could see that happening
09:54 <Kuschelpony> mechanical calculators could not be automated, they could only operate for single calculations like one multiplication and then adding the results
10:26 <Kuschelpony> the term "bug" literally comes from bugs stuck in relays, but that happened already before electric computers, in telephone exchanges
10:32 <Kuschelpony> when they were "buggy"
10:38 <Nothing\> oh, neat.
11:09 <Kuschelpony> as in you could temporarily not call a person, their line is buggy
11:41 <Nothing\> Yeah i've seen some AT&T archive footage of those old exchanges. I enjoy the click of a good, skookum relay, but it was so noisy from the thousands of relays constantly being energized and de-energized. IT must have been impossible to communicate in those rooms.
12:06 <Nothing\> there are some great looking demos of old relay computers, too.
12:13 <Kuschelpony> well people were only in these roooms when the relays were ot working...
12:41 <Kuschelpony> highest urgence was the blue lamp, when that was on it meant the whole town was "off"
12:46 <Nothing\> Curious Mark/Ken Shirriff have done some nice ones
12:47 <Kuschelpony> like in a blown main fuse
13:10 <Nothing\> yeah that seems it would be a priority issue heh
13:12 <Kuschelpony> hmm i do have someone in a different IRC room who is slowly building his own relay computer, in exchange with me :)
13:20 <Nothing\> oh, nice
13:31 <Kuschelpony> espically because you should see what kind of mains busbars they had
13:33 <Nothing\> i've always fancied the idea of setting up my own PBX from discrete parts
13:49 <Kuschelpony> 60V DC, from really really large lead-acid accumulators
14:03 <Nothing\> not that i know THAT much about how a PBX/exchange works. But I could figure it out bit by bit. I think that's half of the point of these projects.
14:18 <Nothing\> yeah the 60v's just for the ring signal isn't it?
14:27 <Kuschelpony> i know a story from someone who dropped a metal paint bucket on these busbars, lets say the telephone exchange was not interrupted, but the paintjob ehm....
14:31 <Nothing\> I'm not sure what the voltage for the "data" is
14:35 <Nothing\> ie voice
15:06 <Nothing\> Kuschelpony, eek just the thought of dropping anything metal on any busbar makes me pucker slightly
15:20 <Kuschelpony> the paint bucket just vaporized...
15:25 <Nothing\> haha
15:30 <Nothing\> let's hope it wasn't galvanized
15:47 <Nothing\> i hear zinc vapors are really nasty
15:48 <Kuschelpony> that was not told, i only know a detailed writeup about the accident
15:51 <Kuschelpony> yes rhey are
16:38 <Nothing\> Kuschelpony, there was a recent video where a guy connected 100 batteries in a parallel/series hybrid configuration. So in series, it had 60v, and the rest was in parallel to give as much current as possible
16:49 <Kuschelpony> as far as i know, telephone system voltages werre specified to be anything between 24 and 60V as long as there was a certain loop current (i think around 10mA) and espically a normalized audio power of 1mW int o600 Ohm coming from the client
17:19 <Nothing\> the forces were so strong that his massive cables he had connecting the batteries to whatever he was vaporizing would jump around from the lorentz forces
17:19 <Kuschelpony> that was the original specification of the dBu
17:30 <Kuschelpony> sure, thats easy to happen
17:51 <Kuschelpony> i do have somewhere(tm) a computer power supply specified at 2V 400A
18:10 <Nothing\> yeah but these were huge cables. I couldn't even guess at the gauge, but they looked about 4 or 5cm thick
18:26 <Kuschelpony> that thing just runs things like a "coil" of 5 turns 10mm2 wire, and the field of that coil keeps a screwdriver levitating
18:36 <Nothing\> actually the lorentz forces were so strong, he couldn't get his electrodes to stay put while he was using it
18:49 <Nothing\> no matter how hard he clamped them down, they would come off
19:13 <Kuschelpony> well there are people creating eddy currents that shrink coin diameters
19:39 <Nothing\> but yeah, he put a lot of bolts into it, and you can see the green spectrum of the zinc as it's cooking. And then the scary blue colored cloud it produces.
19:41 <Kuschelpony> at least occassionally, sometimes also their coils ehm... unplanned rapid expansion...
20:17 <Nothing\> Kuschelpony, well, technically you do that if you just put a coin in as the core of any transformer (presumably magnetorestriction would occur to some degree)
20:24 <Nothing\> but i'm being hyperbolic
20:39 <Kuschelpony> also i have to look back to the old electric magazines, have memories that somewhere in the late 1890s there was a demonstration of an transformer that could melt through railway tracks
20:52 <Nothing\> interesting
20:58 <Nothing\> sounds like a tesla deal, heh
21:03 <Kuschelpony> yes, but "coin shrinking" does that with several mm
21:24 <Nothing\> Kuschelpony, indeed. I got the sense it was more significant, and permanent.
21:30 <Nothing\> that's actually really neat tbh
21:30 <Kuschelpony> ok, my stuff is currenty much smaller :)
21:58 <Kuschelpony> at least i found a pretty surprisng source for carbon arc rods
22:38 <Kuschelpony> a fancy decoration store in the main railway station has them in the section for drawing pens
22:46 <Nothing\> oh, nice
22:57 <Nothing\> that beats sourcing them from those giant flashlight batteries.
23:10 <Nothing\> the big, heavy square ones.
23:21 <Kuschelpony> uhm, im not sure if you want to know details about these two white bottles in my bathroom...
23:30 <Kuschelpony> the 4R6
23:32 <steve30> i think i'll try and get some sleep
23:36 <Nothing\> you've piqued my curiosity
24:06 <Kuschelpony> well its a mess of zinc acetate, manganesesomething acetate and so, from these batteries
24:07 <Nothing\> steve30, good luck with that. I hope you're able to get a nice restful sleep, that you can feel well and rested when you wake up.
24:24 <Nothing\> steve30, and i mean it. Those aren't just empty sympathy
24:30 <Kuschelpony> steve, with or without your new toys? :)
24:30 <Nothing\> *those words
24:35 <Kuschelpony> (insider)
25:07 <steve30> well, the 5G modem will sit there receiving IRC messages I'm sure :)
25:12 <Nothing\> Kuschelpony, that reminds me, I was trying to think of a way to make sodium citrate, or at least some polyhydrate of it.
25:24 <Nothing\> I'm curious if it'll taste salty, or sour, or both
25:55 <Kuschelpony> good question
26:04 <Nothing\> i have a bunch of citric acid, and a bunch of sodium salts so I figure I could make it somehow
26:29 <Nothing\> with sodium bicarb/carbonate, or sodium acetate
26:38 <Nothing\> i feel like the bicarb might do it
26:44 <Nothing\> carb/bicarb
27:08 <Nothing\> i asked chatgpt 4 and the answer it gave me at least made sense. The equations balanced out.
27:16 <Kuschelpony> uhm.................
27:25 <Nothing\> yeah i know, it was an initial inquiry
27:31 <Nothing\> i was going to double and triple check
27:47 <Kuschelpony> i would say yes its very likely to work out, but i would definitely not consider a statistical parrot chatbit as a source for information
27:51 <Nothing\> as questionable as it is, it can still start you on your journey
28:06 <Kuschelpony> or just ask in a chat like here :)
28:06 <Nothing\> Kuschelpony, lol no, certainly not
28:29 <Nothing\> just a quick way to get a rough idea of what to possibly expect which I can go from there and see if there's merit to what it says
28:40 <Kuschelpony> hmmm, never considered it that way
28:47 <Nothing\> which there usually is. But only after i've literally spelled it out for the thing.
29:02 <Kuschelpony> you see im getting old, im from a generation where we had the ideas for the next shit alone :)
29:11 <Nothing\> at least with 3.5. 4 is free with limitations now. So I've been using that more.
30:06 <Kuschelpony> but i also have to say, i do occasionally use Artifical Image generators, in cases where i am looking for design ideas that i could best describe with words, and what are within reach of remixing kown examples
30:26 <flyback> Nothing\, BMCC
30:35 <Nothing\> Kuschelpony, in fairness, chatgpt always seemed like an unnecessary step. I mean, if you're going to consult a source which is unreliable and you have to double check the information from more reliable sources anyways. Why not just skip the sketchy robot and go right to the more credible sources.
30:44 <Nothing\> flyback, do what now?
31:20 <Nothing\> oooh i should get a sugar free redbull
33:05 <flyback> !bmcc Nothing\
33:05 <flyback> <corsehock> nothing\: BITE MY 'CANUCK', CANUCK!
39:50 <Kuschelpony> for something different that im asking the american electricans who know about "your" flavors of threephase and the codes beeing used today
40:52 <Kuschelpony> i know the specification for asymetric "high leg" delta is, black&red 2*120V and yellow for 208V, plus white for neutral
42:10 <Kuschelpony> are there specific codes for symmetric wye threephase with 3* 120/208? I heard they would use black&red&blue for the three phases to distinguis from the yellow "high leg"
42:40 <coppice> I wonder how different the taste of three phase is from single phase?
43:11 * steve30 can't sleep
43:11 <Ampera> coppice, I'd say it'd be similar to the difference between regular crisps, and ruffled crisps
47:24 <Kuschelpony> coppice, im sure your head will rotate more smoothly
09:37 <Kuschelpony> uhm... that looks unpretty wet https://sueden.social/@[email protected]/112452022849434865
09:37 <EEVBot> [url] Karlimann: &quot;Am Nordostbahnhof geht gerade die Welt unter&quot; - Mastodon | sueden.social
47:18 <Nothing\> hrm, thinking about putting my strain gauge sensor on something. Been putting off sticking it on something to make sure I stick it to something interesting
47:35 <Nothing\> if i stuck it to my copper pipe it would show thermal expansion nicely
48:43 <Nothing\> actually, i saw this really interesting type of spring used in pressure gauges where it's a sort of flattened out metal tube. And when air pressurizes it, it goes round and deflects a needle. I thought that was brilliant.
48:50 <rust_collector_> but can you measure that? I mean, yes, you would have some values, but they will not make any sense, unles you translate that to measurements?
49:33 <Kuschelpony> ah that kind of manometer
49:49 <Kuschelpony> i have very very repect for the people who built such spirals from glass
50:10 <Kuschelpony> in the decades before metal alloys with insignificant hysteresis were available
51:46 <Nothing\> oh jeez i wouldn't even think it would work as glass
53:02 <Kuschelpony> there are literally tens of thousands of pages with descriptions of such apparatus in german language available
53:23 <Kuschelpony> "Zeitschrift für Instrumentenkunde" "Annalen der Physik"
10:59 <steve30> What's the deal with vertical videos which have subtitles, but just have one word on at a time?
16:51 <Kuschelpony> sorry i have no idea
17:48 * steve30 hisses at vertical video
33:33 <Kuschelpony> T3sl4, just a comment to https://www.eevblog.com/forum/beginners/does-this-pattern-have-a-name-(bad-current-regulation-on-ac-inverter)/msg5502523/?topicseen#msg5502523
33:34 <EEVBot> [url] Does this "pattern" have a name? (Bad current regulation on AC inverter) - Page 1 | www.eevblog.com
33:48 <Kuschelpony> about the second, the hiccup pulsing waveform
34:40 <Kuschelpony> as far as i remember things here in germany, we have for grid tied inverters a rule that explicitly specifies that the inverter must do something that breaks down an accidental "island" region, rather than stabilize it
36:16 <Kuschelpony> the idea behind, they want to make sure that after disconnecting some houses from "mothership" there will be no voltage behind the disconnect
48:57 Quit: Kuschelpony ([email protected]) Connection closed
50:05 <MrMobodies> I see this
50:08 <MrMobodies> but no content
50:17 <MrMobodies> Utilityweek
50:22 <MrMobodies> https://utilityweek.co.uk/smart-meter-manufacturers-may-quit-britain-due-to-slow-rollout/
50:22 <EEVBot> [url] Smart meter manufacturers may quit Britain due to slow rollout - Utility Week | utilityweek.co.uk
50:52 <MrMobodies> Slow rollout. That's 2/3rds.
51:23 <MrMobodies> If that is a threat how can they demand and dictate.
52:46 <MrMobodies> They say there is a shortage of bog standard meters
52:58 <MrMobodies> not being made anymore etc...
53:14 <MrMobodies> if they wern't would they be saying that rubbish I wonder?
53:54 <MrMobodies> on the other hand I see a few with a comms module ontop so without the comms module it just reads
56:57 <MrMobodies> I was speaking to someone today from Anglian Water
57:56 <MrMobodies> that they were thinking of making their services into market style with the help of their smart meters
58:16 <MrMobodies> so soon you could "buy" water from supermarkets like Tesco's
58:24 <MrMobodies> through the water meter
59:13 <MrMobodies> I said wait a minute coud that end up as surge/dynamic pricing
59:42 <MrMobodies> he said yes, but "I am going out for a ciggarette now and that'd be another debate for another day"
00:19 <MrMobodies> he said the benefits is if the supply becomes expensive customers can switch to a cheaper supplier
00:59 <MrMobodies> I can see why they are building pipes as he told me for a national water network.
01:14 <MrMobodies> between 3 water companies I think
02:39 <MrMobodies> with what is going on with the water problems there, higher water bills and now problems in Devon with parasites in the water and there are these people
02:41 <MrMobodies> https://www.gbnews.com/money/smart-water-meters-compulsory-drought-risk
02:41 <EEVBot> [url] Government urged to roll out compulsory smart meters as UK at risk of growing water drought | www.gbnews.com
02:50 <MrMobodies> singing the same tune as British Gas
03:53 <MrMobodies> they say, growing population and a lack of instruction... from an organisation that calls itself "National Infrastructure Commission (NIC)"
04:11 <MrMobodies> oops not instruction I, infrastructure
04:46 <MrMobodies> so the solution for lack of infracstructure is put the reliance on a meter
07:05 <MrMobodies> Why should the customers who are already on a metered be charged even more due to their lack of infrastructure
07:28 <MrMobodies> "resource expenditure, on both supply and demand, should not be priced out of the upcoming price review" Dynamic/surge pricing it sounds to me.
07:38 <MrMobodies> What do you think?
09:19 <coppice> I thought the meter makers had already left the UK. These ones I've seen seem to be Chinese or Indian
31:29 <MrMobodies> I thought Rishi had a thing against Chinese meters into pulling them out
32:21 <MrMobodies> When my dad asked for one in late 2022 for a feed in tarriff (which we didn't need) they said there was a shortage
32:41 <MrMobodies> they had them in stock in May 2023 maybe that could have something to do with it
33:12 <MrMobodies> the National Infrastructure Commission (NIC) which I never heard of before
33:25 <MrMobodies> is using a domain that had been there since 1996
33:44 <MrMobodies> but it's form appeared on there in July 2017 according to Archive.org
33:45 <MrMobodies> https://web.archive.org/web/20170710050143/https://www.nic.org.uk/
33:46 <EEVBot> [url] Home - National Infrastructure Commission | web.archive.org
34:25 <rust_collector_> horses can be pretty large. some of them weigh a lot, and can reach all the way to the ground
34:44 <rust_collector_> https://youtu.be/kzwLXKn7l-8
34:44 <EEVBot> [YouTube] ⁨Tarot - Reflections (Full Album 2016)⁩ | 34m 11s | Channel: ⁨666MrDoom⁩ | 68,817 views | 2016-06-25 - 07:03:48 UTC
38:45 <MrMobodies> They talk about infrastructure, roads and that sort of thing
38:50 <MrMobodies> but all I see are potholes
39:06 <MrMobodies> motorway signs with no backup power supply
39:13 <MrMobodies> and ripping up the hard shoulder
39:14 <MrMobodies> https://nic.org.uk/about/what-we-do/
39:15 <EEVBot> [url] What we do - NIC | nic.org.uk
39:25 <MrMobodies> they seem USELESS
40:43 <MrMobodies> I see "Sector	"Water and sewerage" 	Devolved administration responsibility"
41:17 <MrMobodies> So they want to attach themselves into it
42:29 <MrMobodies> they seem to talk some sense here
42:30 <MrMobodies> https://nic.org.uk/themes/water-floods/
42:32 <EEVBot> [url] Water & Floods - NIC | nic.org.uk
44:17 <MrMobodies> Ah No... when I get to the word reduction"... the Commission recommends that government and Ofwat – the regulator – should together ensure plans are in place to deliver additional *supply and demand reduction* of at least 4,000 Ml/da...
44:40 <MrMobodies> it's like they are telling them what to do
47:19 <MrMobodies> Maybe I am missing something, but what improvements have they added onto infrastructure.
48:02 <rust_collector_> They? not much. nothing much has been improved much since the eary mid 80s, I think
49:06 <MrMobodies> no they had 7 years
49:18 <MrMobodies> here they speak of the things
49:21 <MrMobodies> https://www.shropshirestar.com/news/uk-news/2024/05/16/window-closing-to-deliver-infrastructure-that-will-improve-lives-advisers-warn/
49:22 <EEVBot> [url] Window closing to deliver infrastructure that will improve lives, advisers warn | Shropshire Star | www.shropshirestar.com
49:47 <MrMobodies> "enable new reservoirs, tackle too-high levels of leaks and reduce water demand"
50:57 <MrMobodies> build new reserviors as a way to "reduce water demand" OR" (build new reserviors AND force people to use less)
50:59 <rust_collector_> Ok, I can not read that. and I do not care what the they are speaking of. most places seem to have about 40 years of maintenance they simply skipped
51:08 <MrMobodies> nono I don't expect you it is the quote
51:36 <MrMobodies> I don't understand what they always mean you see.
52:20 <MrMobodies> so they can build reservoirs to help reduce the demand on their side, or build them AND force people to use less by charging more
52:48 <MrMobodies> so those are the two things I get confused on what they may mean
53:11 <rust_collector_> i think THEY only mean to say things that sounds like it makes sense, and keep on as always, and try to not have to spend money on keeping the stuff that was built 40 years ago in good shape
53:25 <MrMobodies> fortunately they don't mention anything about metering in that article and that was 21 hours ago
54:06 <MrMobodies> don't do ANYTHING but charge MORE
54:14 <rust_collector_> if possible
55:44 <rust_collector_> I do not know, but I guess these are at least partially private owned companies, so they just want to get as much money out of it as they can. and keeping things working is not free, so it they can get by without, that is a bonus
56:32 <MrMobodies> unfortunaley that was a government department but I imagine they'd be running as a business too
56:47 <MrMobodies> lets see if that is true
57:14 <rust_collector_> government... but do they just set the rules, or do they actually do something?
58:35 <MrMobodies> https://suite.endole.co.uk/insight/company/13340356-national-infrastructure-consultancy-nic-limited
58:36 <EEVBot> [url] National Infrastructure Consultancy (Nic) Limited - Company Profile - Endole | suite.endole.co.uk
59:19 <rust_collector_> consulting thing... yeah, pay us to tell you want you pay us to tell you
59:44 <MrMobodies> yes, they are running out of money and want more so pretending to be useful by moaning about all things that are wrong with this country and work out a solution to charge more using the environment/net zero as an excuse
00:03 <MrMobodies> 42.48% debt ratio
00:54 <rust_collector_> sounds better than usa, lol. I wonder what their debt ratio is these days
02:12 <MrMobodies> the owners seem to be like vultures
02:14 <MrMobodies> https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/officers/R6Nk1sk9mYoEAW-IJjSYjxnceio/appointments
02:14 <EEVBot> [url] Thomas John COLLINGS personal appointments - Find and update company information - GOV.UK | find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk
03:11 <MrMobodies> He seems to own many other companies and entities
03:56 <MrMobodies> interesting one of his companies got into insolvency
03:58 <coppice> MrMobodies: the clue is in the name - National Infrastructure <<< Consultantancy >>>
07:03 <MrMobodies> Aah, so they only give advise, they can't order to Government to do things
09:25 <MrMobodies> maybe I read too much into their appeal
09:32 <MrMobodies> sorry about that
32:00 <MrMobodies> I am thinking of getting that network module for the UPS
32:10 <MrMobodies> one on ebay that I read is compatible
32:11 <MrMobodies> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/254841606022
32:12 <EEVBot> [url] APC Smart-UPS AP9630 Smart Slot Network Management Card 731304267416 | eBay | www.ebay.co.uk
34:40 <flyback> those things are security holes and not worth it
34:46 <flyback> apc doesnt maintain them well
34:52 <flyback> in fact I know that model is already abandoned
35:01 <flyback> you are better off with a $10 rpi with ethernet and nut ups tools
35:40 <flyback> although the network module has some better integration when the ups has to shutdown due to low power
35:44 <flyback> so I dunno
06:57 <MrMobodies> so basically it is crap
07:14 <MrMobodies> I was expecting a basic built in webserver showing the figures
07:22 <MrMobodies> that would go on my management switch
07:44 <MrMobodies> i'd be happy if it could do that
09:09 <MrMobodies> at the moment I have that Powersonic 12v 12a battery in the 2nd ups (swapped over) as in the info written, but I mis calcuated the load so it isn't anywhere near 30%
10:20 <MrMobodies> I have a load connected it to to discharge the battery. Thought the fan was 60w it is actually 30w with a modem using about 10w upstairs. making a total of abut 40w
10:50 <MrMobodies> 144w/40 should be about 3 to 4 hours
11:01 <MrMobodies> I switched it on at 8:20
11:06 <MrMobodies> oops 20:20
11:54 <MrMobodies> it is now 2321: so I expect at around half past 12 midnight
12:22 <MrMobodies> then I know it is not a capacity problem
13:13 <MrMobodies> I'll plug the serial able back in and see what the Parachute reports. Last time 0% battery after it charged in UPS 1 despite being 14.8v.
13:54 <MrMobodies> and providing about 15 minutes of battery power loaded at over 40% in UPS 2
15:03 <MrMobodies> the pub landlady's dog was doing it's moonwalking thing today
15:11 <MrMobodies> I was eating a sandwich
15:25 <flyback> MrMobodies,
15:32 <MrMobodies> I was on a high stool and it was ticling me with it's paws
15:33 <flyback> nut ups tools can do a web monitor etc
15:41 <flyback> also it will share the data signal over the lan
15:50 <flyback> so all the machines on the ups can get monitoring
15:52 <MrMobodies> that's be very useful
15:56 <flyback> hang on
16:24 <flyback> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyBP7wpN72c
16:24 <EEVBot> [YouTube] ⁨Network UPS Tools (NUT Server) Ultimate Guide⁩ | 49m 36s | Channel: ⁨Techno Tim⁩ | 192,397 views | 2021-09-25 - 15:00:26 UTC
16:31 <MrMobodies> at the moment I have two Windows XP virtual machines via a serial port etherne bridge and the software shuts them down on a powercut
16:43 <flyback> NUT UPS TOOLS OWNS YOUR "CANUCK"-
16:46 * flyback DROPKICKS Nothing\ 
17:16 <MrMobodies> I'll try those
17:30 <MrMobodies> if I can get it to do systlog that'd be nice too
18:32 <flyback> oh btw
18:38 <flyback> all the "events"
18:39 <flyback> on mains
18:41 <flyback> on battery
18:43 <flyback> battery low
18:49 <flyback> ups is f*** IN THE A***
18:52 <MrMobodies> https://i.imgur.com/TwHDGGZ.png
18:52 <EEVBot> [url] Imgur: The magic of the Internet | i.imgur.com
18:59 <flyback> are scriptable
19:02 <MrMobodies> got to get it got to get it got to get it!
19:10 <flyback> so you could have it run a script to tazer your chair
19:15 <flyback> when the ups switches to battery
20:00 <MrMobodies> I do have syslog events but they are run by batch files and scripts in the Parachute, "On battery" and "off battery" etc
20:13 <MrMobodies> but yes this looks nice
20:55 <MrMobodies> aaah a windows too
20:56 <MrMobodies> https://networkupstools.org/download.html#_binary_packages
20:57 <EEVBot> [url] Network UPS Tools - Download information | networkupstools.org
21:48 <MrMobodies> After that has finished
21:52 <MrMobodies> I'll test it out
22:45 <MrMobodies> the one for my solar panel I'll leave the Parachute on but the rest I'll move over if I can get it to work
23:27 <MrMobodies> thank you very much flyback
23:35 <flyback> yep :)
23:49 <flyback> there's even a esxi client
52:50 <MrMobodies> also as an addon in Pfesense too
52:50 <MrMobodies> https://docs.netgate.com/pfsense/en/latest/packages/nut.html
52:51 <EEVBot> [url] Packages — Nut package | pfSense Documentation | docs.netgate.com
10:45 * arch puts a nut package on flyback
26:08 <MrMobodies> UPS cut off at 12:20. Th load is 7.6% now with voltage of 11.8v charging
26:40 <MrMobodies> oh no it isn't yet
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28:22 <MrMobodies> 620watts/100/7.8%=48.36watts
28:47 <MrMobodies> oh that can't be right
32:35 <MrMobodies> 12/4, so thats 3a hour
33:45 <MrMobodies> 36w
33:53 <MrMobodies> if I turn the fan off besides me
34:14 <MrMobodies> ohh 0.0%
45:46 <MrMobodies> 36*4=144w
45:51 <MrMobodies> so that's about right
46:16 <MrMobodies> so it can hold that capacity
46:54 <MrMobodies> next test, charge see if it properly registers then do a runtime caliberation
24:37 <MrMobodies> oh no
25:32 <MrMobodies> unfortunately something about usb
28:36 <MrMobodies> okay installed but a manual to look at
30:25 <MrMobodies> well this is interesting
30:26 <MrMobodies> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bH7GTC2A0M
30:27 <EEVBot> [YouTube] ⁨Home Assistant How To - integrate UPS by using Network UPS Tools - NUT⁩ | 10m 51s | Channel: ⁨BeardedTinker⁩ | 34,995 views | 2021-01-06 - 12:00:06 UTC
30:31 <MrMobodies> another option
57:49 <Nothing\> lol i just cussed out my neighbour out my window
58:08 <Nothing\> she was being a karen and telling our back neighbour to stop doing yard work because it was too noisy
58:22 <steve30> hi
58:29 <Nothing\> so i yelled over to her that's wha happens when you share a space with people
58:36 <Nothing\> not that she would listen
58:41 <Nothing\> hey steve30 how's it going?
58:47 <Nothing\> frankly i'd rather forget about the exchange
58:53 <steve30> i finally got some sleep
59:05 <Nothing\> but she seemed to know the law because her brother is a supposed cop, even though the law she cited was wrong
59:21 <Nothing\> so i just printed off the real law, highlighted the relevant parts and am gonna drop it in her mailbox tonight
59:37 <Nothing\> no jabs or extra notes written in the thing. Just facts.
59:50 <Nothing\> not that i ever resort to personal insults
00:01 <Nothing\> steve30, that's good to hear. Are you feeling better?
00:40 <steve30> not really
00:47 <Nothing\> ah crap
00:50 <Nothing\> i'm sorry, mate
00:55 * Nothing\ hugs steve30 <3
01:17 * Nothing\ puts steve30 back into bed and gives him a bowl of chicken noodle soup on a tray
02:03 <rust_collector> I still wonder what the thing about chicken soup is, when someone is sick.
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05:46 <Halcyon> Morning blueberry jams
05:55 <steve30> hi
06:00 <Halcyon> Hey Steve
08:58 <Halcyon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ujog3Ez2MK4
08:58 <EEVBot> [YouTube] ⁨Exploring Terrible Windows Bootlegs...⁩ | 35m 57s | Channel: ⁨Michael MJD⁩ | 36,306 views | 2024-05-16 - 15:00:40 UTC
09:06 <Halcyon> Gees I remember these awful fake Windows versions
13:34 * steve30 installs HalcyonXP
14:21 <Halcyon> \o/
14:21 <EEVBot> |
14:21 <EEVBot> \ {
17:31 <steve30> Halcyon, I've ordered a new mobile phone.
17:38 <Halcyon> What did you get?
17:46 <steve30> Nokia 105 4G
18:14 <Halcyon> Fair enough. Didn't you just get a new handset?
18:32 <steve30> nope, I got a 5G modem :)
18:36 <Halcyon> Ahh
34:48 <Nothing\> there, got the laws all printed out of "karen"
34:59 <Nothing\> if she wants to make up her own laws, i'll throw the real ones back in her face
35:06 <Nothing\> leave it in her mailbox in the middle of the night
35:19 <Nothing\> no quips or passive aggressiveness. Just facts.
36:13 <rust_collector> write down quips and passive aggressiveness, and put it in a random letter box
36:17 <Nothing\> now this is how things should be handled. Straight to the point. No drama. No bullshit. No petty insults. Just facts.
36:52 <Nothing\> rust_collector, lol i've considered writing a weird letter to a random person telling them they're the messiah or something
37:14 <Nothing\> look up information on them on facebook and the internet and use it to make them think I know about them, despite being a stranger.
37:24 <Nothing\> you'd be amazed how many people that works on
37:57 <Nothing\> i used to freak people out on my last irc server because I would tell newbs where they lived based on their hostmask, but they had no idea what a hostmask even was.
37:59 <Nothing\> it was kinda fun
38:33 <Nothing\> it didn't always work, and if they were on a proxy, i just looked silly
38:35 <Nothing\> but it worked
38:44 <Nothing\> that reminds me
39:04 <Nothing\> dcc send "0 0 0" STARTKEYLOGGER
39:10 <Nothing\> lol
39:21 <Nothing\> that actually still worked like 10-15 years ago
39:26 <Nothing\> rarely, but it did
39:40 <Nothing\> dunno who doesn't update their virus scanner for that long
40:02 <Nothing\> oh yeah, interesting thing about this karen encounter i just had
40:07 <Nothing\> she kept threatening to call the police on me
40:13 <Nothing\> which i think she TRIED to do
40:28 <Nothing\> because maybe 15 minutes later a bunch of firetrucks and ambulances showed up to her house
40:35 <Nothing\> but no cops lol
40:57 <Nothing\> i figure i stressed her into an anxiety attack and she thought she was having a heart attack
41:41 <Nothing\> they never took her or anything. And they're over there at least once a month for something. Though they never take her.
41:54 <Nothing\> bah i hate ruminating like this
42:05 <Nothing\> oh oh oh rust_collector
42:11 <Nothing\> good news
42:17 <Nothing\> you are the messiah!
42:44 <rust_collector> ah! yes, I thought there was something. well, that is good to know
42:57 <Nothing\> so he IS the messiah
43:07 <Nothing\> (you were supposed to deny it)
43:25 <Nothing\> but yeah, i watched a few clips from life of brian to hopefully get my curiosity piqued
43:35 <Nothing\> and it is definitely gonna be the next movie i watch
43:43 <rust_collector> well, it is not my fault... some people are black, some are gay, I just happen to be the messiah
43:45 <Nothing\> whenever i get the time to sit down and watch one
44:21 <Nothing\> actually, i only watched thta one scene and that was enough
44:42 <rust_collector> which one?
45:05 <Nothing\> the one where the people are claiming brian's the messiah and he keeps denying it
45:14 <Nothing\> and they're like "only the true messiah would deny it!"
45:28 <Nothing\> i'm sure you know how the rest goes
45:29 <rust_collector> oho.
45:43 <Nothing\> heh yeah i was trying to hint at it, perhaps a bit too obscurely
45:47 <rust_collector> well, now you have to watch the rest, and find out
45:53 <Nothing\> absolutely!
46:31 <Nothing\> although, i'm not sure if it was from the movie, or the youtube clip, but it said it was "John CLeese on organized religion"
46:55 <Nothing\> which makes no sense, because generally organized religion exploits people thinking they're the messiah. Not deny it.
47:16 <Nothing\> they get off on usurping god and "His" will
47:35 <Nothing\> that's the big thing causing widespread atheism, at least i part I think
47:50 <Nothing\> people think organized religion represents god and His will
48:02 <Nothing\> but really, it just usurps it for its own benefit
48:32 <Nothing\> at least the major ones
48:48 <Nothing\> oh shit
48:55 <Nothing\> sneezing fit coming on for the first time in like a year
48:59 <Nothing\> or is it...
49:23 <Nothing\> actually, i had one the other night now that i remember, it just wouldn't stop
49:38 <Nothing\> i may only get sneezing fits once or twice a year, but man are they ever violent
49:51 <Nothing\> it's such a bizarre side effect of opioids
50:03 <Nothing\> in fact, I can understand why they prescribed opioids for the common cold
50:54 <Nothing\> morphine for instance doesn't just kill pain, it will stop a cough dead in its tracks better than any otc cough syrup, it makes you stop sneezing, your nose runs less, you salivate less, for whatever that matters
51:17 <Nothing\> now that i think about it, it makes perfect sense victorians would think opioids were good for a cold
51:39 <Nothing\> and hell, they still technically prescribe morphine for a severe cough these days
52:22 <Nothing\> of course it's prescribed as codeine, but little known fact is codeine is perfectly benign as a drug. It has to undergo first pass metabolism in the liver to be converted into morphine, and THEN you get the effects of it
52:58 <Nothing\> i always thought stuff like that was interesting
53:26 <Nothing\> heroin does the same thing, except it does have effects. But the effects only last maybe 15 minutes until it's all converted to morphine
53:46 <Nothing\> i always thought that was interesting and counterintuitive, somehow
54:16 <Nothing\> i hate to seemingly gush about drugs, but i do find pharmacology interesting as well
03:11 <steve30> on the subject of pharmacy, i think i've overdone it on the diphenhydramine last week
54:15 <Nothing\> steve30, careful with that stuff. Too much can cause delirium
54:55 <Nothing\> although you usually get other side effects before that if you're gradually taking more per day
55:39 <Nothing\> a sort of internal restlessness that feels like RLS semed but everyone's mileage will vary
55:50 <Nothing\> also difficulty urinating/frequency urinating
28:38 Quit: Nothing\ ([email protected]) Quit: Leaving
32:45 * steve30 needs coffee
28:43 * Halcyon needs Australia Post to find the package they've misplaced
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39:56 <steve30> what did the package contain?
43:31 <Rhine_Labs> I had to open up my Superpro 7500 to get some info form the CPU board so whay not make a blog post on it a mini-teardwown. https://www.stevenrhine.com/?p=133883
43:32 <EEVBot> [url] Xeltek Superpro 7500 Programmer Mini Teardown. - The Blog Of Steven L. Rhine | www.stevenrhine.com
44:20 <Rhine_Labs> Always fun disassembling $2000 programmers.
00:25 Quit: steve30 ([email protected]) Quit: <Baljem> steve30: by the way, I had the most bizarre dream the other day that someone came in here and seriously flipped their shit over your quit message and why aren't the ops /doing/ something about it
56:34 <Rhine_Labs> I think they are using some sort of Samsung S3C6410A ARM11 Stamp Module
56:56 * EEVBot throws screaming hot coffee at steve30
59:03 <Rhine_Labs> https://www.stevenrhine.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/05/Xeltek-Superpro-SP7K-7500-CPU-Board-v7.2-scaled.jpg
51:27 <K> that is quite a pcb cake there
51:33 <K> neat.
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17:21 Mode: (by ChanOP) +o steve30
18:17 <steve30> :)
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18:17 <Ysjoelfir> mornings
18:17 <steve30> hi
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54:50 <steve30> I went to the Palestine Solidarity camp at the university earlier
55:06 <steve30> Turns out there is a "Gays 4 Palestine" area, but they were hiding under the subway
59:31 <watcher> Hello steve30
09:29 <Ampera> steve30: maybe they should visit Palestine
20:30 <steve30> They'll be fine. There's something on in shefield today for international day against homophobia
25:22 <Ampera> owo gay people scawwy
40:26 <steve30> On the subject of gays for palestine, I read in today's Metro paper that a gay bar closed down, because they showed Eurovision, because the older gays wanted to watch Eurovision, but the younger ones said it should be boycotted because it had Israel in it.
42:56 <Ampera> >.>
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05:00 <steve30> mmm, head clog
08:49 <steve30> not sure i dare risk doing tomorrow's video in HDV
09:18 <Ampera> why's that steve30?
10:05 <steve30> because even my somewhat reliable sony hdv camcorder can be very prone to dropouts depending on what mood its in
10:36 <Ampera> ah
16:37 <steve30> my new mobile phone arrived
16:44 <Ampera> your handy?
17:33 <steve30> hehe
18:30 <steve30> ooh, apparently I can redeem a 'tree planting gift'
23:55 <steve30> Interestingly it seems to be held together by screws, so I guess I'll do a teardown video at some point
59:14 <MrMobodies> https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/49455-voting-intention-con-20-lab-47-15-16-may-2024
59:15 <EEVBot> [url] Voting Intention: Con 20%, Lab 47% (15-16 May 2024) | YouGov | yougov.co.uk
59:26 <MrMobodies> Con 20%, Lab 47% (15-16 May 2024)
59:39 <MrMobodies> but this article from the telegraph today
59:52 <MrMobodies> https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/05/17/conservative-reform-labour-general-election-readers-debate/
59:53 <EEVBot> [url] Readers on why they're backing the Conservatives: 'I'm sick at the thought of a Labour government' | www.telegraph.co.uk
00:03 <MrMobodies> don't have to read it it is the graph I find interesting
00:43 <MrMobodies> Con 27%, Lab 43% today
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01:25 <MrMobodies> I wonder if they adjusted the figures
02:26 <MrMobodies> I was looking at the other voting intentions and the cons were nowhere nea 27%
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04:28 <MrMobodies> just noticed a poll at the bottom
05:03 <MrMobodies> "Should the Conservatives make a general election pact with Reform UK? 56% yes| 46% No"
05:13 <MrMobodies> I always had suspicions about that
05:27 <MrMobodies> they'd merge at some time during the election
05:34 <MrMobodies> to boost their majority
06:40 <MrMobodies> aaah on another poll in BBC article for 10 to 13th of may
06:53 <MrMobodies> bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-68079726
07:30 <MrMobodies> Full polling data from different places all see different
08:17 <MrMobodies> that article from the telegraph reminds me of the Express at it's worse
09:04 <MrMobodies> they say crime has reduced, I have friends who are being assaulted or burgled and the police don't seem to do much
09:11 <MrMobodies> and we have ActionFraud
09:41 <MrMobodies> friends back at my old address I mean
12:59 <MrMobodies> I'll wait later today, can't see any polls to see if the Telegraph are right or lying out of their backside.
13:17 <MrMobodies> I mean polls today
15:59 <MrMobodies> I missed one details in tiny writing
17:20 <MrMobodies> The authors "Rachel Avery, Fran Di Fazio, *Telegraph Readers*
17:23 <flyback> MrMobodies, I would recommend running the nut server on a rpi or some embedded device
17:35 <flyback> that way it can be the last thing that has to shutdown when thw ups is low on battery
17:51 <flyback> and if won't have anything important on it that will delay shutdown
18:01 <flyback> someone is writing a nut port to esp32 even :P
18:06 <MrMobodies> and according to Wikipedia it is a Conservative newspaper, so the readers are likely to be that... that's why I didn't take it in consideation
18:07 <MrMobodies> aaah
18:16 <MrMobodies> I had some trouble last night
18:20 <MrMobodies> with the Home assistant
18:20 <flyback> oh?
18:35 <MrMobodies> I was going to run a copy of virtual machine
18:47 <MrMobodies> in virtualbox but as soon as a I turn on a serial port
18:55 <MrMobodies> it hangs at boot after the boot menu
19:15 <MrMobodies> I will have to buy stuff
19:18 <flyback> I wanna get some esp32 based wifi outlets that come pre flashed with tasmota open source firware
19:23 <flyback> they can do power monitoring
19:28 <flyback> at least some of the models
19:39 <flyback> hmm
19:44 <flyback> that's weird
19:47 <MrMobodies> if I can get it work for now, I have mini that is idle and can do 8w an hour to 12w
20:01 <MrMobodies> if I can get it working, then I'll pay to get that stuff
20:11 <flyback> I understand
20:19 <flyback> a old nuc or itx would work ok also
20:31 <flyback> or even a old router with a usb or serial port for the ups
20:40 <MrMobodies> ITX?
20:41 <flyback> that can run openwrt
20:55 <flyback> itx was a mini motherboard standard via came up with
21:00 <MrMobodies> ooooh
21:11 <MrMobodies> so it can run on a router with a serial port
21:14 <MrMobodies> and a usb
21:15 <MrMobodies> wow
21:23 <MrMobodies> and I have loads of them in a box
21:38 <MrMobodies> I'll see what I got later
21:49 <flyback> yeah most routers only have ttl serial so you would need to convert it to pcserial/rs232 using a max3232 board
21:55 <MrMobodies> I have a few Draytek 2830'S but I think they maybe ASIC
22:19 <MrMobodies> I have a few converters
22:52 <flyback> doesn't your ups's have usb though or are they older models?
23:17 <MrMobodies> they are older models with the serial ports where they wired up the pins differently
23:25 <MrMobodies> the one that is arriving has a usb port
23:57 <MrMobodies> when it arrives I'll like to test out the platorms
24:11 <MrMobodies> look round for that raspberry pie
24:25 <flyback> looks like that model router only has 8/32 flash/ram so openwrt says they don't support that anymore but it might work if you disable all the routing functions or compile it yourself
24:34 <flyback> yeah pi would work
24:53 <flyback> so your serial ups's use smart or dumb signalling
24:59 <flyback> probably smart
25:05 <flyback> so you only need tx, rx and grd then
25:19 <MrMobodies> I have 4 of them
25:40 <flyback> you could use usb to serial adaptors :P
25:41 <MrMobodies> one of them was suppose to be spare but that is doing the firewall
25:43 <flyback> oh btw
25:45 <MrMobodies> I do have them
25:52 <MrMobodies> dual port Moxa
26:03 <flyback> you can monitor multiple ups in a nut instance
26:11 <flyback> and have it weight/balance them
26:30 <flyback> so say your vm server can't continue to run if the nas ups runs our first
26:33 <MrMobodies> aaah usb to serial, I have a box of those too
26:46 <flyback> you can set it so it shuts down the vm server when the nas ups goes battery low
27:08 <MrMobodies> yes yes, I could put a power bank behind it too
27:11 <MrMobodies> the phi
27:28 <flyback> https://openwrt.org/toh/draytek/vigor2830_series
27:28 <EEVBot> [url] [OpenWrt Wiki] Draytek Vigor2830 Series | openwrt.org
27:45 <electrohead> insert corny jokes about nuts here
28:10 <flyback> it's below the min spec but if you disabled most of the functions and just had a base openwrt and the nut package it would be fine
28:28 <flyback> electrohead, we already did :)
28:30 <MrMobodies> so it continues to work when the battery runs okay
28:32 <flyback> also BMCC
28:33 <MrMobodies> ooops
28:43 * flyback hurls nothing at electrohead 
28:49 <MrMobodies> interesting so they'd work bare minimum
29:16 <flyback> well the nut daemons just monitoring the ups and cascading the signal over lann doesn't take much ram
29:47 <flyback> you might have to compile it youself cause 8 mb of flash is too small
29:48 <flyback> hmm
29:52 <flyback> now im not sure hmm
30:22 <electrohead> flyback: :D
30:35 <MrMobodies> I do have a HG635
30:39 <MrMobodies> well quite a few
30:40 <MrMobodies> https://openwrt.org/toh/huawei/hg635
30:41 <EEVBot> [url] [OpenWrt Wiki] Huawei HG635 | openwrt.org
30:52 <MrMobodies> with the ram but it aint supported which is a shame
31:13 <electrohead> serious though, nut is nice, I have it set up on my primary server in the rack, and that rack UPS I have has both serial/usb, and ethernet
32:17 <MrMobodies> I'll get it setup, I like the idea of the one built into Homeassistant
32:26 <MrMobodies> I'd imagine it'd do graphs
33:05 <MrMobodies> oh dinner
34:27 <flyback> ooo the Huawei HG635 would be a good choice
35:20 <flyback> not supported though :/
35:29 <flyback> wonder why the base broadcom soc shoud work
35:47 <flyback> mabye they mean cause of the wifi cause broadcom is paranoid about opens ource drivers
37:02 <flyback> bummer
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