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04:04:17 <rust_collector> boioioioing
04:20:21 <Ampera> hallo rust_collector how is the you
04:21:31 <rust_collector> hey the you you, the me you is not terrible today. eating baked potat....
04:22:30 <rust_collector> after that, I am going back into my cave, to figure out some crap about my lathe.
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04:32:39 <MrMobodies> Hello just fitted my new battery for the UPS
04:32:51 <MrMobodies> but accidentally disconnected the wrong things
04:33:02 <MrMobodies> should have labelled the cords up
04:33:14 <MrMobodies> I read in the papers today about David Sandborn
04:33:26 <MrMobodies> I thought that was nice talking about his achievements
04:33:48 <MrMobodies> what I didn't know was until I looked again at the top of the page "Obituraries"
04:33:54 <MrMobodies> then it said he died
04:33:59 <MrMobodies> at the bottom of the article
04:34:20 <MrMobodies> https://www.theguardian.com/music/article/2024/may/14/david-sanborn-jazz-saxophonist-dies-aged-78
04:34:20 <EEVBot> [url] David Sanborn, jazz saxophonist known for work with David Bowie and more, dies aged 78 | Music | The Guardian | www.theguardian.com
04:34:26 <rust_collector> who
04:34:28 <Ampera> rust_collector stop rhyming!
04:34:34 <Ampera> it is dangerous
04:34:43 <rust_collector> oh. sanborn, that is different
04:34:47 <MrMobodies> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIwEm03vrUE
04:34:47 <EEVBot> [YouTube] David Sanborn - Straight To The Heart | 6m 21s | Channel: ARKAHAS | 342,934 views | 2011-05-27 - 12:10:44 UTC
04:34:51 <MrMobodies> 5:04 in the video
04:34:56 <rust_collector> sorry amps
04:35:22 <MrMobodies> sad he passed away so good at those tunes
04:35:47 <MrMobodies> everytime they play that tune it's sound different or have different people in them like doing the keyboard
04:36:08 <rust_collector> it is my afroamerican roots. because only them is allowd to rhyme
04:36:16 <MrMobodies> aahh
04:36:23 <rust_collector> I will try to be more white from now on
04:36:36 <MrMobodies> he use to the do the jazz in this film called Lethal Weapon in the sound department.
04:36:45 <MrMobodies> the background stuff
04:37:14 <MrMobodies> He seems promoted by someone called Marcus Miller who assembled this band together
04:37:26 <MrMobodies> and used him as their flagship
04:38:04 <rust_collector> https://ibb.co/mHsDNzc
04:38:04 <EEVBot> [url] standard-5440420-LGPT-300x200-1 hosted at ImgBB — ImgBB | ibb.co
04:38:08 <MrMobodies> here's another tune that's nice
04:38:09 <MrMobodies> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1P-F8gZr_ic
04:38:09 <EEVBot> [YouTube] David Sanborn - Indio (1976) | 5m 36s | Channel: aquarianrealm | 9,886 views | 2011-12-30 - 22:43:07 UTC
04:38:39 <MrMobodies> oh a mole on a laf
04:38:41 <MrMobodies> *leaf
04:39:04 <rust_collector> a mole?
04:39:07 <MrMobodies> 1.27 sounds nice in that Indio tune
04:39:17 <MrMobodies> this thing
04:39:18 <MrMobodies> https://ibb.co/mHsDNzc
04:39:19 <EEVBot> [url] standard-5440420-LGPT-300x200-1 hosted at ImgBB — ImgBB | ibb.co
04:39:37 <rust_collector> is that called a mole, in engrish?
04:39:43 <MrMobodies> yes
04:39:46 <MrMobodies> I believe so
04:39:56 <rust_collector> hm, ok.
04:40:31 <MrMobodies> no they are not sorry
04:40:41 <MrMobodies> I have confused the names again
04:40:43 <MrMobodies> sorry abot that
04:40:54 <rust_collector> I thought a mole was more like a rat, or so
04:42:17 <rust_collector> here, they are called skrukketroll, or wrinkle-troll. not sure why
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04:42:28 <rust_collector> but they are sort of cool
04:43:47 <MrMobodies> https://www.invasive.org/browse/detail.cfm?imgnum=5440420#
04:43:49 <EEVBot> [url] pill bug (Porcellio scaber) | www.invasive.org
04:43:50 <MrMobodies> pill bug
04:44:04 <MrMobodies> and it is different to the ones I see on a closer look
04:44:46 <rust_collector> I think this one is very young. the ones I see are more... raspy, and a bit more dark grey
04:46:10 <MrMobodies> Found the name to the ones I was thinking about
04:46:11 <MrMobodies> woodlouse
04:46:40 <MrMobodies> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woodlouse
04:46:41 <EEVBot> [wikipedia] Woodlouse | "A woodlouse (plural woodlice) is any crustacean belonging to the suborder Oniscidea within the order Isopoda. They get their name from often being found in old wood, and from louse, a parasitic insect, although woodlice are neither parasitic nor insects. Woodlice evolved from marine isopods which are presumed to have colonised land in the Carboniferous, though the oldest known fossils are from the Cretaceous period. They have […]"
04:47:07 <rust_collector> interesting things
04:50:05 <MrMobodies> they live in places and make a mess
04:50:25 <MrMobodies> but they don't seem infestate
04:50:34 <rust_collector> well, they do not really damage anything
04:50:48 <rust_collector> uless you mind them eating rotten things
04:50:50 <MrMobodies> or grow in large nubers to become a nuisance and they seem shy
04:51:14 <rust_collector> yep
04:51:44 <MrMobodies> I see them in the garden, in the compost, in the shed
04:51:59 <MrMobodies> but they hide under slabs and stones too
04:52:19 <MrMobodies> lift them up and they simply run elsewhere
04:54:57 <rust_collector> ok, dinner is done, time to do stuff
04:55:00 <rust_collector> https://youtu.be/LRwGKSptjuc?list=PLD-c4AA1mc-cErZeO0gl1sm6aSYKCdT2y
04:55:00 <EEVBot> [YouTube] Rhyme Syndicate - Name of the Game | 4m 32s | Channel: Bouncer | 1,262 views | 2022-04-02 - 06:23:47 UTC
05:01:22 <MrMobodies> Sounds to me like 1990's style rap
05:01:59 <MrMobodies> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rythm_Syndicate
05:02:00 <EEVBot> [wikipedia] Rythm Syndicate | "Rythm Syndicate is an R&B group from Connecticut, United States consisting of singer Evan Rogers, guitarist/keyboardist Carl Sturken, second guitarist Mike McDonald (also handling backing vocals), bassist John Nevin, saxophonist Rob Mingrino, and drummer Kevin Cloud. Rogers and Sturken were already well-established producers and songwriters, having helmed many well-received albums during the mid to late-1980s, with Rogers […]"
05:02:07 <MrMobodies> YEP they're from the 1990's
05:02:07 <rust_collector_> it is from 88
05:02:14 <MrMobodies> ooh late 80's
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05:02:52 <rust_collector_> but, it is rhyme syndicate, not rythm syndicate
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05:03:02 <MrMobodies> ooh
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05:03:40 <MrMobodies> ooops
05:03:40 <MrMobodies> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_D
05:03:41 <EEVBot> [wikipedia] Donald D | "Donald Lamont, professionally known by his stage name Donald-D, is an American rapper and record producer from the Bronx, New York. He is a member of the Universal Zulu Nation, a member of the B-Boys, and is best known as a member of Ice-T's Rhyme Syndicate."
05:03:54 <MrMobodies> 1988–1992: Rhyme Syndicate
05:04:22 <MrMobodies> they probably led the the industry into the 1990's
05:04:25 <MrMobodies> and others copied
05:04:34 <MrMobodies> it sounds really nice that one
05:11:19 <MrMobodies> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8aFz2-LohM
05:11:19 <EEVBot> [YouTube] Rishi Sunak and Keir Starmer try to out cringe each other at PMQs | 3m 6s | Channel: PoliticsJOE | 2,476 views | 2024-05-15 - 15:28:00 UTC
05:11:42 <MrMobodies> 1:19 he says his party is leading the world and led the industrial revolution
05:12:10 <MrMobodies> joke: well maybe they can bring back the use of asbestos.
05:12:30 <MrMobodies> and do away with health and safety
05:12:51 <MrMobodies> he says he is preparing the country for the future
05:13:07 <MrMobodies> more like frightening people into the future
05:13:10 <rust_collector_> I think they probably should bring back asbestos. it is a great material. you just have to use it right
05:13:39 <MrMobodies> oh yes, but should have markings, and be strictly regulated
05:14:02 <MrMobodies> something I don't think this country is capable of doing so on a mass basis
05:14:14 <MrMobodies> apart from safely removing it when identified
05:23:33 <Kuschelpony> today i learned:
05:23:33 <Kuschelpony> in 2002 researchers made a city map of london etched in glass, with electrodes builtin at all the important points
05:23:33 <Kuschelpony> the whole thing built as a big neon lamp
05:23:33 <Kuschelpony> so when you want to see how to travel shortest way from <here> to <there> just connect the wires and see the way glowing
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05:36:32 <rust_collector_> that does not sound very 2000+, lol but that is cool
05:41:31 <Kuschelpony> "analog computing" is still in the phase of exploring ideas
06:02:38 <flyback> https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2024/05/14/new-google-chrome-warning-microsoft-windows-10-windows-11-upgrade/?sh=1564ef763e8a
06:02:38 <EEVBot> [url] Update Now Warning Issued for 2 Billion Google Chrome Users | www.forbes.com
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07:35:39 * T3sl4 bashes Ampera
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07:49:47 <MrMobodies> when my next UPS arrives I am thinking of rewiring the whole thing
07:50:15 <MrMobodies> UPS 1: Lighting and 4g modem and wifi upstairs
07:50:54 <MrMobodies> UPS 2: VOIP Ata adaptor, modems and Draytek routers
07:51:18 <MrMobodies> and the network monitor
07:51:43 <MrMobodies> UPS 3: Solar panel inverter datalogger minipc
07:52:39 <MrMobodies> UPS 4 (currenty put behind the pfsense router due to the mains flickering damage the psu in late last year), outlet socket on desk with management switch
07:53:18 <MrMobodies> UPS 5: Due to arrive (2x 12v 7a batteries) to do with the all the switches in the rack
07:53:59 <MrMobodies> I could have done without the the VOIP stuff, if I had the landline and the mains flickering supply to need all of them
07:55:20 <MrMobodies> when I move over to fibre I could do away with a mini pc as the DSLstats software seems to consume 100% of the core and slows everything down which seems very inefficient.
07:57:49 <MrMobodies> I might also set it to shutdown above 50% battery capacity so it don't wear it down so much
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08:19:30 <MrMobodies> https://www.express.co.uk/life-style/cars/1873420/cycling-identification-number-plates-road-safety
08:19:30 <EEVBot> [url] ERROR: The request could not be satisfied | www.express.co.uk
08:19:49 <MrMobodies> ID linked to bicycle but insuranc
08:20:08 <MrMobodies> and insurance
08:20:14 <MrMobodies> and license i mean
08:20:22 <MrMobodies> that'd put people off cycling
08:23:25 <DHess_US> I think pedestrians should be required to carry ID and present number plates.
08:23:45 <DHess_US> And carry insurance.
08:24:32 <MrMobodies> 20 years ago they could do a runner and none of that would matter
08:24:44 <MrMobodies> now with cctv everywhere they'll be caught somewhere
08:24:53 <MrMobodies> with their license plate
08:25:10 <MrMobodies> when they injure someone
08:26:29 <MrMobodies> I actually use to cycle on the pavement in te 1990' when I was like 10 or so
08:26:37 <MrMobodies> everyone was doing it as the roads were unsaf
08:27:08 <MrMobodies> quite a few of the roads even in some of the towns had these barriers seperating the pavements from the roads
08:28:17 <MrMobodies> so if a cyclist was on the road and a lorry went by it the cyclist would have nowhere to go and could get pinned up against the barriers
08:28:51 <MrMobodies> in 2008 there was a crackdown in my old area
08:29:21 <MrMobodies> because people were riding aggressively and hurting people
08:29:26 <MrMobodies> on the pavements]
08:29:43 <MrMobodies> then the police started fining them
08:30:16 <MrMobodies> I nearly got hit by a few about that time so I could understand why
08:30:47 <MrMobodies> they'd whizz past, up and down the street and make a lot of noise
08:31:14 <MrMobodies> they wern't there for legitatment reasons to shop
08:31:41 <MrMobodies> but in this village I feel safe cycle on the roads
08:32:05 <MrMobodies> well actually it seems to be getting busier over the years around junctions
08:33:12 <MrMobodies> I suppose for them to propose ID, license plates and insurance, which they could have done many years ago could show the scale of the problem.
08:37:43 <MrMobodies> https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/uk-news/drivers-could-fined-2500-moving-29171968?int_source=nba
08:37:43 <EEVBot> [url] Drivers could be fined £2,500 for moving out of the way of an ambulance - Manchester Evening News | www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk
08:38:04 <MrMobodies> I thought drivers were expected to make way for emergency vehicles when safe to do so
08:39:17 <MrMobodies> I normally see the traffic slow down and move over a little to let them past
08:44:17 <MrMobodies> I wonder how they managed to pack more capacity in this battery
08:44:19 <MrMobodies> https://www.thesafetycentre.co.uk/powersonic-pg-12v14-sealed-lead-acid-battery-12v-14ah
08:44:20 <EEVBot> [url] Powersonic PG-12V14 Sealed Lead Acid Battery - 12V 14Ah | The Safety Centre, UK | www.thesafetycentre.co.uk
08:44:32 <MrMobodies> it seems to be the same size as a 12v 12a one
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10:11:43 <MrMobodies> there maybe something wrong with that battery
10:11:58 <MrMobodies> I moved it to the other ups with the dodgy noname black one that came with one of them
10:12:07 <MrMobodies> black 12v 12a fine and handles load
10:12:20 <MrMobodies> moved the new Powersonic over to the other one
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10:12:28 <MrMobodies> initially it does not sound an overload alarm and cut off
10:12:41 <MrMobodies> I can disconnect it and it will run
10:12:45 <MrMobodies> for about 10 minutes
10:12:57 <MrMobodies> plugged it back in whilst still going
10:13:14 <MrMobodies> Powerchute reports 0% battery
10:13:20 <MrMobodies> battery discharged
10:13:29 <MrMobodies> desite it being 13.8v
10:13:37 <MrMobodies> it was already charged though from the othr one
10:13:46 <MrMobodies> I let it discharge, plugged it in
10:13:49 <MrMobodies> it started to charge
10:13:58 <MrMobodies> then the overload light came on and the alarm went off
10:14:21 <MrMobodies> so I moved everything else over to the UPS that had the worn battery
10:14:39 <MrMobodies> where I swapped out the black one from UPS 2 to that one
10:14:41 <MrMobodies> and it seems fine
10:15:04 <MrMobodies> I see it may not always be simple as a swap but I never had this problem beforee
10:15:04 <MrMobodies> https://community.se.com/t5/APC-UPS-Data-Center-Enterprise/Smartups-SC620/td-p/344460
10:15:05 <EEVBot> [url] Solved: Smartups SC620 - Schneider Electric Community | community.se.com
10:15:48 <MrMobodies> "2.There must be at least a 30% load attached to the UPS during this procedure, and this load cannot fluctuate more than +/- 5%. This process will cause the UPS to shut off and cut power to its outlets, therefore, attach a non-critical load to the UPS and then force the UPS on battery by disconnecting it from utility power. "
10:16:01 <MrMobodies> Okay but this
10:16:03 <MrMobodies> "1. Stop the PowerChute software from running and disconnect the serial cable."
10:16:09 <MrMobodies> Now isn't that STUPID
10:16:36 <MrMobodies> how am I suppose to know the voltage
10:16:44 <MrMobodies> oh sorry, 30% load
10:16:54 <MrMobodies> I thought it mean't battery capacitoy
10:18:46 <MrMobodies> I think it did have 48% load
10:18:51 <MrMobodies> before now there isn't any
10:53:20 <MrMobodies> https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13423453/Rishi-Sunak-says-determined-stamp-unacceptable-classroom-practices-unveils-new-guidance-ban-schools-teaching-gender-spectrum.html
10:53:21 <EEVBot> [url] Rishi Sunak says he is determined to stamp out 'unacceptable' classroom practices as he unveils new guidance to ban schools from teaching that gender is a 'spectrum' | Daily Mail Online | www.dailymail.co.uk
10:53:41 <MrMobodies> I was against this at first but when I hear people wanting to identify as a cat
10:53:44 <MrMobodies> as a gender
10:54:01 <MrMobodies> and trouble caused over it
10:55:01 <MrMobodies> https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12734121/School-tells-parents-NOT-providing-litter-trays-pupils-identify-cats.html
10:55:02 <EEVBot> [url] Finally, a lesson in common sense! School tells parents it will NOT be providing litter trays for pupils who identify as cats and warns 'this kind of behaviour is not acceptable' | Daily Mail Online | www.dailymail.co.uk
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10:56:11 <Halcyon> Morning chocolates
10:56:14 <MrMobodies> I didn't know the generation could to so low
10:56:24 <MrMobodies> oh hellow Halycon
10:56:56 <Halcyon> Hello MrMobodies
10:57:01 <MrMobodies> I wonder why people desire for these things
10:57:08 <MrMobodies> Litter trays in schools
10:57:10 <MrMobodies> https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12734121/School-tells-parents-NOT-providing-litter-trays-pupils-identify-cats.html
10:57:10 <EEVBot> [url] Finally, a lesson in common sense! School tells parents it will NOT be providing litter trays for pupils who identify as cats and warns 'this kind of behaviour is not acceptable' | Daily Mail Online | www.dailymail.co.uk
10:57:22 <MrMobodies> how low can they go
10:57:57 <Halcyon> Why is this even news? These people need to be told to smarten up.
10:58:02 <Halcyon> Honestly.
10:58:20 <MrMobodies> Well I heard Rishi is planning to ban this sort of stuff
10:58:35 <MrMobodies> https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-13423507/Rishi-Sunak-ban-classroom-practices-father.html
10:58:36 <EEVBot> [url] RISHI SUNAK: As a father to two young girls I know how vital this guidance is | Daily Mail Online | www.dailymail.co.uk
10:58:46 <MrMobodies> he might seem in touch with that one
10:59:23 <MrMobodies> I certainly don't want to be taught that animals are genders themselves and quizzed on it.
10:59:50 <Halcyon> So it should. Being gay, trans etc... is one thing. Identifying as something you are not is either plain idiotic, or these people have some significant mental health challenges.
11:00:17 <MrMobodies> When they go to school to learn they should leave these things at home.
11:00:32 <Halcyon> The rest of society shouldn't have to cater for people who think they aren't people, outside the confides of a mental health facility.
11:01:47 <MrMobodies> I hear getting mental health for legitimate things is not easy.
11:02:00 <Halcyon> I guess it depends on the country.
11:02:48 <MrMobodies> for someone who is starting out in life at school and i find it not normal
11:03:22 <MrMobodies> I thought the sense of normality is on the decline
11:04:25 <MrMobodies> soon I'll be asked on the phone "what do you identify as?"
11:04:51 <Halcyon> That and I'm finding the current generation just fucking stupid (generally speaking). Not sure how half these kids are going to survive in the workforce.
11:05:27 <Halcyon> The entitlement is also a big issue. We have 20 year olds coming through as interns but demand they are paid $80k/year.
11:05:41 <MrMobodies> it is amazing some get jobs and I get all th eready tape.
11:05:51 <MrMobodies> *all the red tape
11:06:10 <MrMobodies> so they come out of university and think they are entitled?
11:06:24 <MrMobodies> with no experience or interest in the job
11:06:34 <MrMobodies> I heard that one before at the HMRC in Stratford
11:07:35 <MrMobodies> out of the university, out of the excutive role, and getting training nobody else receives and the staff who don't know what Mspaint is or how to do screenshots were near retirement age
11:08:08 <MrMobodies> and seems qualification entitled
11:08:29 <MrMobodies> they announced redudancy in 2017 and they got one of those in
11:08:55 <MrMobodies> she was told to do interviews on the disabled staff to find out who they were going to get rid off
11:09:24 <MrMobodies> and the staff refused to do it and went on strike after I left
11:10:12 <MrMobodies> apparently to do the most menial job there, for free I now needed 5x, A to C's.
11:10:23 <MrMobodies> the post office in handling mail and parcels
11:10:50 <MrMobodies> that was only a work trial I was put on and after 8 weeks of doing well the managers who never saw me came out with that excuse
11:11:04 <MrMobodies> and told off my advisor back at my local job center
11:12:11 <MrMobodies> I do feel sorry for the staff there because they work hard there all their life at the one in Stratford
11:12:35 <MrMobodies> quite a few of them worked there since the 80's and 90's
11:13:01 <MrMobodies> an in 2010, they converted the canteen into the kitchen and made so many cuts to the department
11:13:23 <MrMobodies> they got a firm to manage the building
11:13:43 <MrMobodies> if the coffee machines break down, they warn people NOT to report it.
11:13:54 <MrMobodies> let them come and fill it up then fix it
11:14:17 <MrMobodies> otherwise the firm who managers the building will charge them £100
11:14:41 <MrMobodies> if a lightbuld breaks don't report that too
11:15:35 <MrMobodies> before they took control they had caretakers present to do those sorts of things with no extra charge
11:16:22 <MrMobodies> Halycon, I noticed this battery
11:16:25 <MrMobodies> https://www.thesafetycentre.co.uk/powersonic-pg-12v14-sealed-lead-acid-battery-12v-14ah
11:16:25 <EEVBot> [url] Powersonic PG-12V14 Sealed Lead Acid Battery - 12V 14Ah | The Safety Centre, UK | www.thesafetycentre.co.uk
11:16:37 <MrMobodies> It has the same dimensions as a 12v 12a one
11:16:56 <MrMobodies> I wonder how they managed to cram the extra 2a worth in there
11:17:15 <Halcyon> *shrug* Thinner plates?
11:17:33 <MrMobodies> if that is how they achieved it, is that not a good thing?
11:17:41 <MrMobodies> in that the plates could wear down sooner
11:17:43 <Halcyon> I suppose?
11:17:57 <Halcyon> There's always a tradeoff
11:18:03 <MrMobodies> yes
11:18:16 <MrMobodies> I can't find how they achieve it so maybe that is what they are hiding
11:23:49 <MrMobodies> with the mains flickering
11:24:03 <MrMobodies> I found another UPS just to power up my rack
11:24:04 <MrMobodies> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/134951390221
11:24:06 <EEVBot> [url] APC Smart-UPS (1000 VA) - Line interactive - Tower (SUA1000I) UPS for sale online | eBay | www.ebay.co.uk
11:24:12 <MrMobodies> and to relieve load off the others
11:24:42 <MrMobodies> these ones take 2x 12v 7a batteries in series
11:25:03 <MrMobodies> and has an option for a network module in the back
11:25:14 <MrMobodies> than another lousy serial port mess
11:25:22 <MrMobodies> oh and it has USB too
11:25:44 <MrMobodies> I mean with the mess I have to alter the serial cable pin outs
11:28:37 <Halcyon> Yeah networking makes things so much easier
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13:30:54 <steve30> hi
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13:39:01 <Halcyon> Finally home.
13:39:12 <steve30> hi
13:40:13 <Halcyon> Hey Steve
13:41:32 <Halcyon> Hah I love all these people whinging and bitching about banks going cashless.
13:42:04 <Halcyon> My bank just made the move. No more cash, no more cheques. It forms less than 1% of their business across their customer base. But you have all these boomers moaning about it.
13:43:05 <MrMobodies> The local Chinese will be one
13:43:17 <MrMobodies> they do have a card machine but tell the customers to pay by cash
13:43:37 <Halcyon> There are more places here that don't accept cash, that don't accept digital payments.
13:43:51 <Halcyon> And yes, the Chinese are just trying to dodge tax.
13:43:57 <MrMobodies> but I find it is nice to be able to pay by loose change in my pocket and I am talking pence and pounds not anything large
13:44:17 <Halcyon> All I carry with me are two phones and my car keys. That's it.
13:44:18 <MrMobodies> bootsales, local shop
13:44:27 <Halcyon> I hate things jingling around my pockets
13:44:52 <MrMobodies> in my local post office they have a rule that they refuse card payments with anything under £2
13:45:02 <MrMobodies> they are apparently charged by transaction
13:45:03 <Halcyon> Seems a bit silly
13:45:16 <MrMobodies> I know at a buildin firm years ago they did do that to them
13:45:37 <MrMobodies> the broker use to charge them 50p per excess charge to process payment
13:45:51 <Halcyon> Seems like an obscene amount
13:45:59 <MrMobodies> the practice still goes on
13:46:08 <MrMobodies> and some places are lucky like the local pub
13:46:11 <MrMobodies> and the vioin man
13:46:24 <Halcyon> Here it's a percentage of the payment (capped to the cost of actually completing the transaction). That's usually passed to the consumer.
13:46:24 <MrMobodies> they pay a fixed amount of a month regardless of how much transaction they make
13:46:38 <Halcyon> Might be a few cents
13:47:00 <MrMobodies> I think cash will die out gradually in the future
13:47:10 <MrMobodies> but I like cash, not for dodgying though
13:47:35 <MrMobodies> sometimes they payment terminals don't work
13:47:42 <MrMobodies> it happened a few times I have seen
13:47:49 <MrMobodies> so it is nice to have something in my pocket
13:47:52 <MrMobodies> to save embarassment
13:48:09 <MrMobodies> look what I found
13:48:20 <MrMobodies> the Ebay "Untested" scam with keyboards.
13:48:23 <MrMobodies> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/155863656773
13:48:24 <EEVBot> [url] Lenovo B50 B50-30 Keyboard 25214756 English UK untested | eBay | www.ebay.co.uk
13:48:32 <MrMobodies> Same part number on keyboard top right
13:49:11 <Halcyon> Looks like spare laptop parts to me? Why would it be a scam?
13:49:11 <MrMobodies> Lenovo pin 25214756 rev: 0A
13:49:33 <MrMobodies> where it says untested. I assume they don't have anything to test it with
13:49:37 <MrMobodies> typically
13:49:54 <Halcyon> Well yeah, especially since it was shucked from a laptop
13:49:54 <MrMobodies> then there is this one, same seller same part number
13:49:55 <MrMobodies> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/155850741304
13:49:56 <EEVBot> [url] Lenovo IdeaPad B50-45 GENIUEN Keyboard English UK working | eBay | www.ebay.co.uk
13:50:32 <Halcyon> They look like identical keyboards to me
13:50:35 <MrMobodies> £6.99 for an "untested" keyboard. £12.99 for a tested keyoard
13:50:37 <Halcyon> But probably fit a bunch of models
13:50:44 <MrMobodies> I believe the "untested" one is likely to be faulty
13:50:51 <MrMobodies> yes they do
13:50:52 <Halcyon> It could be?
13:51:02 <Halcyon> That's the luck of the draw with eBay
13:51:05 <Halcyon> You win some, you lose some.
13:51:10 <MrMobodies> but the two, the tested and untested ones have the same part numbers
13:51:36 <MrMobodies> I have suspicions that rather than say it is faulty, they say, untested.
13:51:41 <MrMobodies> Want to have a go?
13:51:48 <Halcyon> I see what you're saying, but if they are also selling the laptops (in parts of otherwise) they might not have a complete unit to test (or be bothered testing)
13:52:00 <MrMobodies> be bothered testing
13:52:03 <MrMobodies> that'd be it
13:52:03 <Halcyon> What if it isn't faulty? It might not be
13:52:21 <MrMobodies> there was a seller saying that, 100 Dell laptop batteries, POT LUCK
13:52:32 <Halcyon> I would never buy batteries off ebay
13:52:39 <MrMobodies> he said some work but he don't have to time or interest to do it so pot luck no returns
13:52:54 <Halcyon> Anyway, I'm going out to the post office and then to get stuff for dinner.
13:52:59 <MrMobodies> I have come across listings got lucky
13:53:12 <MrMobodies> I make sure they sell them in the 10's and have a guarantee in Mah
13:53:17 <MrMobodies> but not many seem to do that
13:53:29 <MrMobodies> so I wait
13:54:06 <MrMobodies> but if I can find a good compatible from a reputable company in the UK then I might go for that too, if I can't find the originals made anymore
13:54:21 <MrMobodies> I had no choice as they stopped making one for this Dell laptop
13:54:59 <MrMobodies> but battery seems to hold up fine for about 2 hours which I brought mid last year and I did wait for it for some time
13:57:23 <MrMobodies> Ahh sorry Halycon my bad
13:57:45 <MrMobodies> it says in the listing, three times the layout has changed
13:57:51 <MrMobodies> Conditon "For parts or not working"
13:57:59 <MrMobodies> I didn't see that
13:58:12 <MrMobodies> but that's a good price too for scavenging for keys
14:01:06 <MrMobodies> Thames water air sucked out
14:01:08 <MrMobodies> https://www.sharecast.com/news/news-and-announcements/thames-water-investors-set-to-quit-boards---report--16785191.html
14:01:09 <EEVBot> [url] Thames Water investors set to quit boards - report - Sharecast.com | www.sharecast.com
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15:55:16 <K> hello cotton swabs
16:31:43 <watcher> Hello gooseeggs
17:24:39 <Halcyon> Hello both
17:24:59 <steve30> o/
17:27:55 <Halcyon> Hey Steve
17:55:52 <steve30> the LCD screen is playing up on my nokia phone again
17:56:07 <steve30> I did take it apart a while back to clean all the connectors, but its still doingit
17:58:21 <Halcyon> Boo :-(
18:17:53 <T3sl4> electrohead: https://i.imgur.com/HKqKJT4.jpeg
18:17:53 <EEVBot> [url] Imgur: The magic of the Internet | i.imgur.com
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18:56:27 <Ampera> >:( I carry cash and my checkbook with me, and if you try to take those from me, im gonna break your kneecaps
18:58:00 * steve30 needs coffee
19:02:56 <K> !coffee steve30
19:02:57 * EEVBot drowns steve30 in coffee
19:03:01 <K> there.
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19:43:14 <Halcyon> Hahah Ampera, that's just because you're an old lady
19:43:39 <Halcyon> I don't even think the 90+ year old next door still has cheques
19:43:50 <Halcyon> Also *hugs*
19:44:13 * Ampera hugs Halcyon
19:44:18 <Ampera> how are you doing friend?
19:44:26 <Halcyon> Tired, but alright. How are you?
19:44:36 <Ampera> checks are somewhat uncommon these days. Most people have them I think, but mostly in case they need them.
19:44:54 <Ampera> Cash is still very common, and there are absolutely stores and restaurants that will refuse to accept anything other than cash
19:45:09 <Ampera> Usually smaller stores and enterprises popular enough to sustain that
19:45:15 <Halcyon> I still find it fascinating the differences
19:45:18 <Ampera> tends to make it easier to pay people under the table
19:45:30 <Halcyon> Well, that's the thing... tax evasion
19:45:38 <Ampera> Halcyon, I am doing okay. Still kinda groggy from the new medication I'm on, but not quite so much as yesterday.
19:45:50 <Halcyon> Might take you a bit to get used to it?
19:46:03 <Ampera> Hopefully I get used to it, and it isn't like the other stuff I was just on
19:46:09 <Ampera> that was horrific
19:46:46 <Halcyon> :-(
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19:59:26 <T3sl4> mornin amps
19:59:48 * Halcyon licks T3sl4
19:59:56 <T3sl4> how you doin hal
20:00:05 <Halcyon> Tired, but good. Busy.
20:00:10 <Halcyon> How's you
20:00:29 <T3sl4> good. been having a break from work, doing other things :)
20:00:34 <Halcyon> Oh?
20:00:46 <Ampera> a break from twerk
20:01:03 <T3sl4> a tweak from birk
20:01:06 <Halcyon> I reckon T3sl4 would have some moves
20:01:48 <T3sl4> i'm the whitest white kid to ever white
20:02:06 <Halcyon> Heh. Sames. Never been a dancer
20:02:25 <Ampera> I did ballet.
20:02:33 <Ampera> Russian ballet.
20:02:34 <Halcyon> I could see that
20:02:41 <T3sl4> don't have the toes for it :P
20:02:48 <Ampera> in front of an audience of a couple thousand people
20:02:53 <Halcyon> My issue is coordination.
20:03:02 <Halcyon> Which is why I can't play sports
20:03:17 <Halcyon> Although surprisingly OK at tennis
20:03:57 <Halcyon> I serve like I shoot. Close my eyes and hope I hit something :P
20:04:27 <Ampera> Halcyon, are you talking about sex or tennis?
20:04:36 <Halcyon> Tennis and firearms'
20:04:56 <Halcyon> I'm very good at sex. Plenty of practice :P
20:05:08 <Ampera> I see, so is "close my eyes and hope I hit something" an official strategy?
20:05:13 <Ampera> that would explain a few things....
20:05:17 <Halcyon> I'm joking
20:06:02 * steve30 hasn't had sex in ages
20:06:12 * Halcyon ties up steve30
20:06:34 <T3sl4> i don't know where "ages" is, it seems hard to find
20:06:56 <Ampera> I've never had sex.
20:07:10 <Ampera> It's always fun going to Planned Parenthood for HRT. They ask you in 20 different ways if you are sexually active or have had sex before
20:08:12 <Halcyon> And your answer is always no?
20:08:41 <steve30> Sounds like a logical thing to ask at planned parenthood
20:12:26 <Ampera> steve30, indeed, but they'd be able to cut out like half the intake questions if they just asked if I'd ever had sex before
20:12:32 <Ampera> (no)
20:12:32 <Halcyon> Oh dear, they are rebooting The Office.
20:12:39 <Halcyon> I hope they don't fuck it up
20:12:46 * Ampera turns Halcyon off and then back on again
20:12:52 <Halcyon> The series
20:13:37 <Ampera> Halcyon, you need to get into anime and be a weeb like the rest of us >:(
20:13:43 <steve30> I still find it amusing all these years later, when I went to my GP to complain about my deviated septum, and he asked if I needed chlamydia screening :)
20:14:48 <Ampera> Eventually I want to talk to an ENT about how fucked up my nose is
20:14:56 <Ampera> but that sounds like an expensive visit that will probably involve surgery
20:15:02 <Ampera> so I think I'll kick that can down the road a bit
20:16:36 * T3sl4 kicks Ampera's nose-can a bit
20:17:05 <Ampera> thank you T3sl4, I deserve to be abused like that
20:17:06 <Ampera> it is my place
20:17:20 * T3sl4 snuffs out a candy cigarette on Ampera too
20:18:16 <Ampera> T3sl4: thank you, I deserve that
20:18:16 <T3sl4> <3
20:18:16 <steve30> I'm curious as to why LGBTQ+s seem so obsessed with Palestine
20:18:16 <steve30> I saw some "Queers for Free Palestine" a couple of months ago. They didn't look amused at having their photograph taken :D
20:18:16 <MrMobodies> back, she tore up her hard earned certificate.
20:18:16 <MrMobodies> LIke that was so much more important than anything else
20:18:16 <MrMobodies> I read an article last week, about the BBC putting in contigency/emegency measures to stop filming football matches in Germany
20:18:16 <MrMobodies> if the pro-Palestinia protestors turns up
20:18:16 <MrMobodies> what has Germany got to do with it I wonder. I remember only 6% jews living there last time I checked.
20:18:16 <MrMobodies> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_population_by_country
20:18:16 <EEVBot> [wikipedia] Jewish population by country | "As of 2023, the world's core Jewish population (those identifying as Jews above all else) was estimated at 15.7 million, which is approximately 0.2% of the 8 billion worldwide population. Israel hosts the largest core Jewish population in the world with 7.2 million, followed by the United States with 6.3 million. Other countries with core Jewish populations above 100,000 include France (440,000), Canada […]"
20:18:16 <MrMobodies> according to... sory for the eevbot large description. 1% of Jews now live there.
20:18:16 <MrMobodies> I could understand if they were providing the Jews with weapons
20:18:16 <MrMobodies> but it looks to me as if Britain is throwing fuel at the fire by sending them weapons so they can further blow up their land
20:18:16 <MrMobodies> Isn't that a bit daft too? The protestors going to Germany about their war?
20:18:16 <MrMobodies> to disrupt major events
20:18:16 <MrMobodies> Zip tied on stage
20:18:16 <MrMobodies> Just noticed a comment in that link
20:18:16 <MrMobodies> "Iron Mike 7146 8 hours ago
20:18:16 <MrMobodies> Many judges have already stated they won't hire Law Clerks from Columbia. Some claim, in so doing, they're punishing students who never participated in the protests – true. Unfortunately, it's difficult to separate the wheat from the chaff."
20:18:16 <MrMobodies> They seem to be causing a lot of trouble with their behaviour.
20:18:16 <MrMobodies> and zip ties
20:18:16 <MrMobodies> If I am to advertise that I have mental health issues where I can be a risk to the public an embarassment where I can let it get of control... do you think they'd want to employ me on that basis?
20:18:16 <MrMobodies> The Shaw Trust were trying to get me to approve of a package for people with this condition and a statement to say I suffer from these problems which I don't to get me on their books and government funding and I argued with them with the above statement
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20:18:16 <MrMobodies> So yes I could understand, them not wanting employees that will tear up papers based on their emotions and zip tie their hands in front of clients or do other irrational things.
20:18:16 <MrMobodies> No I don't have mental health issues preventing me from working, not a risk to the public or anything like that... I am just annoyed that charities are trying to make out like I am one of those people.
20:18:16 <MrMobodies> so they can get their funding
20:18:16 <MrMobodies> Hello
20:18:16 <MrMobodies> I am a bit scared of something
20:18:16 <MrMobodies> I might be paranoid I might mis interperet
20:18:16 <MrMobodies> https://news.sky.com/story/rishi-sunak-to-set-out-bold-ideas-in-major-speech-13134701
20:18:16 <EEVBot> [url] Next few years will be 'most dangerous' UK has ever known, Rishi Sunak to say in 'major' speech | Politics News | Sky News | news.sky.com
20:18:16 <MrMobodies> "I'm convinced that the next few years will be some of the most dangerous yet most transformational our country has ever known."
20:18:16 <MrMobodies> Transformational... tranform society... next couple of years very dangerous...
20:18:16 <MrMobodies> or is it just scaremonering?
20:18:16 <MrMobodies> He also talks about artificial intelligence and safety
20:18:16 <steve30000> probably just scaremongering to try and get you to vote tory and not labour
20:18:16 <MrMobodies> I will vote for ANY party but them
20:18:17 <MrMobodies> I don't trust them
20:18:17 <MrMobodies> ""Over the next few years, from our democracy to our economy to our society"... to war, fuel povert via the smart meter as one report put it
20:18:17 <MrMobodies> another headline but URL not important
20:18:17 <MrMobodies> "Rishi Sunak warns of 'nuclear escalation' threat - as he refuses to set general election date"
20:18:17 <MrMobodies> Joke: Threats of nuclear escalation from his party.
20:18:17 <MrMobodies> I wonder what is the half life of the transformations he'd make if he and his party went nuclear on Britain.
20:18:17 <MrMobodies> It'd be nice if he get UK OUT of a war instead of progressing to one
20:18:17 <MrMobodies> 14 years of chaos for some people since they go it and I don't think they'd want a war.
20:18:17 <MrMobodies> oops *got
20:18:17 <MrMobodies> they'd want peace and quiet
20:18:17 <MrMobodies> another headline
20:18:17 <MrMobodies> "Rishi Sunak framed himself as the only man who can lead Britain through the “most dangerous period” for the world since the end of the Cold War as he made a desperate plea to voters to get behind his plan."
20:18:17 <MrMobodies> Joke: Well let's put him on an F35 and send him fighting then and see how he leads the team.
20:18:17 <MrMobodies> so with the Rwanda immigrants, they can run away to South Ireland and set up tents and Rishi is not interested to take them back
20:18:17 <MrMobodies> In Northern Island a law has been passed to stop them being taken back
20:18:17 <MrMobodies> as it "undermines post-Brexit human rights"
20:18:17 <MrMobodies> https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/may/13/rwanda-deportation-law-should-not-apply-in-northern-ireland-court-rules
20:18:17 <EEVBot> [url] Rwanda deportation law should not apply in Northern Ireland, court rules | Immigration and asylum | The Guardian | www.theguardian.com
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20:18:17 <K> hello tiny crocodiles
20:18:17 <K> !coffee steve30
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22:26:48 <Nothing\> lol they made flipper zeros illegal here
22:27:00 <Nothing\> what a load of bullshit
22:27:05 <Ampera> hey Nothing\
22:27:06 <Ampera> how are things
22:27:11 <Nothing\> i was eager to buy one and have a play with RF tags
22:27:20 <Nothing\> Ampera!!!! hey!!!
22:28:12 <Nothing\> i'm doing well. No pain for some time :D. Diabetes is as bad as ever though. But eating 240+ fudscicles a month will probably do that.
22:28:18 <Nothing\> how about you?
22:28:18 <Ampera> lol
22:28:31 <Ampera> I am doing okay enough. I don't think you were here for me talking about the wellbutrin
22:29:16 <Nothing\> oh yeah i was when you just started on it. I think you just got the script but hadn't taken it yet because you didn't mention anything about effectiveness or side effects at all. Nor did I ask. And I would assume I would have asked. That's something I would ask about.
22:29:30 <Ampera> Well
22:29:32 <Nothing\> So yeah, how's it been going with that? It's been what? 2 weeks? 3?
22:29:33 <Ampera> it completely fucked me up
22:29:37 <Nothing\> no shit?
22:29:41 <Nothing\> that's a real shame
22:29:48 <Nothing\> i was really hoping i would be wrong
22:29:48 <Ampera> It gave me massive anxiety that got worse and worse to the point that I was having fairly regular attacks.
22:29:55 <Nothing\> oh yeah it would do thta
22:30:02 <Nothing\> it's quite a strong stimulant
22:30:10 <Ampera> I would switch between periods of massive hyperfixation and fairly major depression
22:30:12 <Nothing\> but not a "fun" stimulant like amphetamines
22:30:23 <Nothing\> it's more an anxiogenic stimulant like caffeine
22:30:26 <Ampera> and I thought about suicide constantly for hours
22:30:32 <Nothing\> ah fuck yeah
22:30:37 <Nothing\> i mean fuck, yeah
22:30:42 <Nothing\> lol
22:30:42 <Ampera> lol
22:30:57 <Nothing\> i forgot about that part. I actually got that when they put me on zoloft when i was 16
22:31:01 <Ampera> It made me just feel sick and horrible. It was so bad that by sunday I just broke down crying from how bad it is.
22:31:05 <Ampera> *it was
22:31:06 <Nothing\> ate a bottle of 90 tylenols one night.
22:31:12 <Ampera> fun fact
22:31:15 <Ampera> I stopped talking wellbutrin
22:31:18 <Ampera> I'm on zoloft now :)
22:31:18 <Nothing\> Ampera, I'm sorry.
22:31:21 <Nothing\> oh jeez
22:31:23 <Ampera> zoloft 25mg
22:31:43 <Nothing\> well in my case apparently the suicidal thoughts are more common with teenagers
22:31:46 <Ampera> I'm doing okay. I managed to survive that ordeal, and if anything it's emboldened me to work even harder to solve my problems.
22:31:51 <Nothing\> they should have never put me on ANYTHING at that age
22:32:07 <Ampera> I had extremely strong suicidal thoughts, but I have had suicidal thoughts all my life, and I'm used to dealing with them.
22:32:10 <Nothing\> thankfully i had the presence of mind to stop trying what they gave me after the 4th one
22:32:21 <Ampera> I do not act on them, and never if extremely rarely in my life did I ever feel like I was at risk of doing it.
22:32:33 <Nothing\> Ampera, in all honesty, remeron seems like it would have the fewest side effects. But I could be wrong.
22:33:10 <Ampera> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
22:33:16 <Ampera> I am going with what I'm prescribed.
22:33:21 <Nothing\> well, I really hope you find something that works
22:33:29 <Nothing\> whether it's an antidepressant or not
22:33:30 <Ampera> if this psychiatrist keeps giving me stuff that fucks me up, then I might look to someone else.
22:33:44 <Nothing\> i will warn you though, it can make you violent or unwell enough to lose control
22:33:51 <Ampera> I'm really hoping to just have enough to get me through some tough spots, and so that I can eventually get off it.
22:33:55 <Nothing\> i mean, that's evident from my story i guess
22:34:01 <Nothing\> but it's something to be aware of
22:34:09 <Ampera> Nothing\, maybe, but I believe I have an extremely strong will of mind
22:34:20 <Ampera> I'm also not prone to anger or violence in the slightest.
22:34:30 <Nothing\> my brother almost assaulted a drug rep in the hospital when he was on effexor
22:34:34 <Nothing\> Ampera, neither was he
22:34:34 <Ampera> I did definitely feel agitated and a bit angry while on wellbutrin though
22:34:54 <Nothing\> Ampera, that's the thing about taking mind-altering drugs
22:34:58 <Nothing\> you ARE your mind
22:35:05 <Nothing\> you change your mind, you change who you are
22:35:44 <Ampera> My mind is a one of parts. Different elements of it collaborate together to form my existence.
22:36:03 <Ampera> Wellbutrin changed for the most part only a part of my mind. I still had some control.
22:36:23 <Ampera> The psychiatrist seems to be taking caution too. He believes I am likely very sensitive to psychiatric medication, and has given me the smallest dose of zoloft he can (25mg)
22:36:28 <Ampera> The pill for it is miniscule
22:36:36 <Nothing\> Ampera, i've never been a violent person at all either. I might break something nowadays if I'm really mad. But nothing major.
22:36:51 <Nothing\> But I still remember one time years and years ago
22:37:16 <Nothing\> sitting at a bus stop, withdrawing from opium and trying to find something, anything. But being completely broke.
22:37:52 <Nothing\> a kindly old woman sat next to me, and I genuinely considered robbing her just so I wouldn't have to endure the agony of withdrawal. It's honestly that bad.
22:38:15 <Nothing\> and i was/am absolutely terrified of withdrawal. It's one of my biggest fears.
22:38:33 <Ampera> I fortunately had no noticeable withdrawal symptoms from wellbutrin.
22:38:49 <Nothing\> I'm not sure that it directly affected my judgement. I considered it more out of desparation than anything.
22:39:24 <Nothing\> but the point is, I altered my brain/mind by getting addicted to opium and as a result, I considered doing something I would have never considered otherwise.
22:39:43 <Nothing\> I can't say how close I was to actually doing it. I like to think I wouldn't have actually.
22:40:01 <Nothing\> i generally avoid confrontation
22:40:19 <Nothing\> although lately that's been less so lol I cussed out a door to door salesman the other day.
22:40:56 <Nothing\> i really let him have it. But without ever insulting him, swearing AT him (ie fuck you) or getting racist/personal about it.
22:41:06 <Nothing\> yet, he still accused me of somehow being abusive
22:41:29 <Nothing\> despite the fact that he came to my door to sell me shit when it's illegal to do that in Ontario.
22:41:36 <Nothing\> They banned door to door sales in 2019
22:42:21 <Nothing\> i saw him on the phone presambly calling the police or his supervisor to complain that the mean white guy swore at him for soliciting sales door to door
22:42:27 <Nothing\> like that's something that never happens
22:43:35 <steve30> I've ordered a new Nokia mobile phone
22:43:41 <Ampera> Nothing\, I might go to Ontario in a couple months or so
22:43:41 <Nothing\> nice
22:43:48 <Nothing\> I didn't know Nokia still made phones
22:43:50 <steve30> It'll make a change to have a mobile phone which was made in this millenium :)
22:43:57 <Nothing\> that was the first brand of cell phone my family ever had
22:44:13 <Nothing\> steve30, I'd almost rather not have a smart phone
22:44:24 <Nothing\> it's nice for the infinitude of resources it offers
22:44:41 <Nothing\> but at the same time, I have ADHD and it's full of distractions that usually end up taking over my attention
22:46:04 <Nothing\> lol this self proclaimed "crypto king of Ontario" is being charged with $40 million in fraud
22:46:33 <Nothing\> he took investor money to invest in cryptocurrency and only actually invested 2% of it
22:46:48 <Nothing\> spent the rest on himself while DOCUMENTING THE WHOLE THING ON SOCIAL MEDIA
22:46:49 <Nothing\> of course
22:46:50 <Ampera> I am planning on driving to Chicago and might cut through Canada to save on tolls
22:47:04 <Nothing\> Ampera, yeah but the border crossings are very slow
22:47:15 <Nothing\> like, you'll be there for potentially hours on each side
22:47:27 <Nothing\> especially if you go this weekend
22:47:35 <Nothing\> victoria day weekend
22:47:43 <Ampera> not this weekend, but I guess I'll see
22:47:49 <Nothing\> ah good
22:47:57 <Ampera> The crossing into Quebec on I-87 is usually very quick
22:48:10 <Nothing\> heh we call it the may 2-4 weekend. Because it's one of those get drunk and set off fireworks holidays.
22:48:17 <Nothing\> and here we call a case of beer a 2-4
22:48:34 <Nothing\> "gimme a 2-4 of blue" you'd say at the Beer Store
22:48:43 <Nothing\> which is the clever name of our beer stores
22:49:09 <Nothing\> we only just allowed beer and coolers to be sold in grocery stores a few years ago
22:49:22 <Ampera> I sorta just want to do it anyways.
22:49:31 <Nothing\> you should if you don't mind the time
22:49:37 <Ampera> The bridges have tolls too, but probably less than I-90
22:49:49 <Ampera> If you count the skyway, here to chicago is probably a solid 50 bucks in tolls
22:49:51 <Ampera> maybe more
22:49:57 <Nothing\> The only toll road here is the 407 and that's because it's an express highway
22:50:06 <Nothing\> you pay the toll for the quicker travel time
22:50:22 <Ampera> The alternative is either the US highways/local roads, or I take a detour through Columbus/Indianapolis
22:50:31 <Nothing\> eww ohio
22:50:39 <Nothing\> yeah just avoid that whole area i say
22:50:52 <Ampera> ohio is fine
22:50:54 <Nothing\> that's almost as bad as driving through the south
22:50:57 <Ampera> I've driven it before
22:51:01 <Nothing\> ever been to a rest stop in Kentucky?
22:51:01 <Ampera> I've also driven in the south before
22:51:06 <Ampera> I have never been to Kentucky
22:51:13 <Nothing\> they get more shit on the walls than in the toilet
22:51:16 <Ampera> Rest stops vary widely anywhere
22:51:25 <Nothing\> i swear they just aim their ass at the wall and have at it
22:51:28 <Ampera> you have to know how to spot the decent ones
22:51:30 <Nothing\> there's no other way that happens
22:51:41 <Nothing\> Ampera, you don't have a choice with a small bladder
22:51:56 <Nothing\> although i was a kid so it was better back then
22:52:13 <Nothing\> lol driving to florida in the back of my dad's pick up truck almost the whole way
22:52:26 <Nothing\> no seat belts or anything. Just a mattress for my brother and i to sit on
22:52:29 <Nothing\> but it was a fun adventure
22:52:55 <Ampera> Nothing\, I tend to dehydrate myself before going on road trips.
22:52:58 <Nothing\> I remember having to duck for toll booths
22:53:15 <Ampera> I once made it all the way from I-20 Georgia to home (~15 hrs 30 minutes) without stopping to pee once
22:53:19 <Ampera> I only stopped for gas
22:53:29 * steve30 has felt dreadful all week
22:53:31 <Ampera> no food, drink, bathrooms, or even a rest
22:53:32 <Nothing\> Ampera, heh I haven't got that option. I piss like crazy no matter what. ANd rightly so, it's probably the only thing getting rid of sugar now.
22:53:48 <Nothing\> steve30, aww dude. Didn't you just get over being sick like a month or so ago?
22:54:11 <steve30> i had covid or a cold or something a while back
22:54:15 <Nothing\> Ampera, my pee is so sugary that it will literally ferment
22:54:33 <Nothing\> steve30, apparently covid causes a ton of cognitive symptoms
22:55:00 <Nothing\> i glanced over a paper the other week talking about 44 separate cognitive symptoms of covid they discovered
22:55:06 <Nothing\> short and long-term
22:55:15 <Ampera> Nothing\, easiest pruno ever
22:55:32 <Nothing\> Ampera, haha i was thinking exactly that.
22:55:49 <Nothing\> i remember wondering if diabetic pee would ferment back before i even had it.
22:56:01 <Nothing\> actually, interesting thing about my pee
22:56:09 <Nothing\> i can actually see proteins in it with my naked eye
22:56:18 <Nothing\> in a bottle, i mean
22:56:50 <Nothing\> if i put it up to a bright light with a dark background, I can see these little filaments that look like fuzz or something. But there's no fuzz in there. So they must be protein strands.
22:57:07 <Nothing\> if you leave it a few days, the proteins denature and clump together as a big gooey mass
22:57:17 <Nothing\> actually, in the one bottle they formed micelles
22:57:58 <Nothing\> it was weird. All of these little "fuzzy" looking balls of amino acids/chopped up proteins with a dark center
22:58:20 <Nothing\> Ampera, lol actually the bottom of my one bottle bowed out from the pressure of the fermentation
22:58:45 <Nothing\> I missed it when i was cleaning them away and it sat longer than it should have
22:58:52 <Nothing\> and i know, peeing in bottles is weird and gross
22:58:56 <Ampera> ok now this is getting gross
22:58:57 <Ampera> :/
22:59:22 <Nothing\> but when you pee 10+ times a night, it's easier to just use a bottle and go back to bed without ever having to go anywhere.
22:59:36 <Nothing\> especially when i lie back down and have to go before i even get back to sleep
22:59:47 <Nothing\> Ampera, lol yeah sorry about that. I tend to get carried away and TMI.
22:59:52 <Nothing\> i do think it's neat though
23:00:00 <Nothing\> but yes, very gross
23:00:11 Join: chivesandcheese ([email protected]) to #eevblog
23:00:24 <Nothing\> chivesandcheese, oh boy what a great coversation you just walked into!
23:00:26 <Nothing\> lol
23:00:49 <Nothing\> ah ffs almost inhaled my coffee again
23:01:07 <Nothing\> i do that several times a week. I swear i'm gonna get pneumonia one of these days
23:01:27 <Nothing\> i choked on some water i was gargling with the other day. I mean, that alone has to be a risk
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23:21:20 <arch> did you pee in a bottle?
23:21:31 <arch> that's what id probably have to do if i was desperate
23:22:18 <arch> or you can pee on the driver seat to show dominance over your car. either or.
23:23:54 <Ampera> hey arch, how are you doing?
23:24:11 <Ampera> you need to be less busy and come visit >:(
23:24:34 <arch> im doing ok. most of my welding ppe arrives today
23:24:47 <arch> and my welding table/cart
23:25:58 <arch> and yesterday i had to take out an old 14cu metal box that some buffoon stuffed 2x 12awg romex + receptacles into. i replaced it with a 2 gang old work box and 2x receptacles
23:26:38 <arch> damn old bastards who worked on this house really had no clue on the electricals
23:27:15 <arch> 2 gang deep old work box by carlon; those are really awesome
23:29:05 Quit: Nothing\ ([email protected]) EOF from client
23:32:08 <arch> and today i'll probably have to mow the lawn. sometimes im tempted to spray herbicide and let the lawn stay a barren wasteland for a year or two
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23:49:23 <electrohead> T3sl4: yeah sounds about right lol
23:49:58 * electrohead pokes arch and Ampera with jelyfish tentacles
23:50:15 * Ampera grabs the tentacles and chokes electrohead out until he moans
23:50:30 <electrohead> goof lol
23:50:34 <electrohead> how goes?
23:51:27 <Ampera> groggy
23:55:26 <electrohead> yummy
23:56:33 <arch> electrohead, do you weld?
23:57:00 <electrohead> I've done it twice total, need to get into it properly eventually
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