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00:00:06 <Ampera> of course, as I decide to replace them, the NiMH's in my headphones are behaving
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00:20:31 <electrohead> o/
00:24:31 <Ysjoelfir> mornings mr. head
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00:25:06 <electrohead> hey man :)
00:33:27 * Ampera hugs electrohead and Ysjoelfir
00:33:34 * Ampera throws slices of prosciutto at each
00:37:26 * electrohead eats it, runs away fast
00:37:32 <electrohead> lol, hey man, hugs and stuff
00:38:38 <Ampera> how are you doing electrohead
00:38:41 <Ampera> how is your new house
00:42:38 <electrohead> really good, waiting on the cleaning lady right now to help with the kitchen and master bathroom
00:43:16 <Ampera> lol, you make it sound like a mansion
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01:21:27 <electrohead> lol
01:21:29 <electrohead> it's not :P
01:29:46 <electrohead> https://github.com/nccgroup/depthcharge
01:29:48 <EEVBot> [Title] - GitHub - nccgroup/depthcharge: A U-Boot hacking toolkit for security researchers and tinkerers
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07:22:50 <Ampera> This AA/AAA charger I bought has a really cool feature
07:23:02 <Ampera> it has a hole at the bottom of the tray where you can poke your finger through and eject the batteries easily
07:23:38 <electrohead> will it shock you as well?
07:23:44 <Ampera> why would it do that
07:23:52 <electrohead> I don't know?
07:23:58 <electrohead> modify it to get shocked, then?
07:24:01 * electrohead shrugs
07:24:39 <rust_collector> yep, if it is electric, you need to be able to get shocked by it
07:24:47 <Ampera> I mean it's USB powered, so that's unlikely
07:25:13 <rust_collector> you can up the voltage, and charge a cap, I guess
07:26:27 <rust_collector> yes, that is a great idea, and you already have the hole, so you do not have to do anything to that
07:26:28 <Ampera> If I buy you one, will you do exactly that and then shock yourself?
07:27:18 <rust_collector> shock me? well, I have plenty of things that will sock me, if I put body parts in its hole
07:27:29 <rust_collector> err, shock, lol
07:27:52 * electrohead socks rust_collector
07:29:23 <rust_collector> Oh, electrohead I found one of the sd cards, from the weird tracking and unknown functions mini computer-ish thing. I will try to copy that, and host it somewhere
07:29:59 <electrohead> that would be the tits.
07:30:40 <rust_collector> I am not sure about that, but... it will give you something to look at, when you are bored
07:30:52 <rust_collector> so, it would be similar
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11:17:43 <Nothing\> heyo!
11:19:45 <Nothing\> oh man, i just found another gem of a youtube channel about retro video game mechanics. And no, not Retro Game Mechanics Explained. Though that might as well be a new genre of video as far as I'm concerned. And I'm wallowing in it like a pig in shit
11:19:48 <Nothing\> i LOVE it
11:19:55 <Nothing\> https://www.youtube.com/c/RetroGameMechanicsExplained/videos
11:20:16 <Nothing\> oops lol that is NOT the link i meant to post. But how ironic that it is when i said that's not what it was going to be lol
11:20:34 <Nothing\> https://www.youtube.com/c/DisplacedGamers/videos
11:20:39 <Nothing\> there's the channel
11:22:29 <Nothing\> first video I came across was one about a classic hidden gem on the NES called Blaster Master. Explaining this glitch where you throw a grenade at an enemy and then pause the game while the game detects a collision between the enemy and your grenade's explosion and the grenade continually deals damage in real time, despite the game being paused. So you can use it to take down bosses really fast. But for some strange re
11:22:29 <Nothing\> even numbered levels.
11:23:20 <Nothing\> but i was just so happy to see that somebody had not only given one of my favourite hidden gems a good, detailed video about it, but that they went into the code of the game and explained the mechanics behind it.
11:26:22 <Nothing\> but i mean, the channel does such a huge variety of videos, from the AI of Monopoly for the NES, to how scrolling works in Super Mario Bros, or the hit detection in legend of zelda
11:27:25 <Nothing\> i just love it when youtubers don't pull any punches when it comes to talking about technical stuff.
11:29:03 <Nothing\> which reminds me, I watched a cool ben eater video last night explaining how a ps/2 keyboard works. So now I wanna get a usb to ps/2 adapter and wire a keyboard up to a breadboard myself and play around with it. Even if it's just pressing a key and seeing the binary signal on my scope and literally counting the bits to calculate the ascii code
11:29:41 <Nothing\> or wiring it into the input SIPO shift register and turning it into a parallel interface
11:30:51 <Nothing\> SIPO shift register can dump the data into a latch and the latch can dump all 8 bits at once. Instead of waiting for them to come through one at a time. Which aside from needing a LOT more wires, always made me wonder why serial's so much more popular than parallel
11:31:48 <Nothing\> or what about some combination where you have multiple serial channels in parallel to get the best of both worlds. I have no doubt somebody's used that for something important.
11:32:20 <Nothing\> i guess there's also a greater risk of noise and crosstalk the more channels you cram into one cable
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11:34:01 <Nothing\> dang! someone beat me to it!
11:34:02 <Nothing\> https://patents.google.com/patent/US20080268800A1/en
11:34:05 <EEVBot> [Title] - US20080268800A1 - Hybrid parallel/serial bus interface
11:34:08 <Nothing\> every time!
11:34:16 <T3sl4> https://i.redd.it/9wj93sad8gf81.jpg
11:34:25 <Nothing\> oh heya T3sl4, and hey arch
11:34:29 <Nothing\> how you guys doing?
11:34:42 <Nothing\> also *CLEEK*
11:34:46 * T3sl4 ruffles Nothing\'s head
11:34:49 <Nothing\> that's me clicking the link
11:35:06 <Nothing\> lol you don't wanna do that, my hair's all gross and oily. I really need a head shower.
11:35:17 <Nothing\> although it's kinda nice like this because it has more hold
11:35:56 <Nothing\> i can "sculpt" it a lot easier. Almost like a light mousse of some sort. Which I guess makes sense since they did used to literally put grease in their hair to style it
11:36:20 * Nothing\ is thinking of the "Greasers" from the book/movie The Outsiders
11:37:58 <Nothing\> which, damn those were good. I should really read/watch them again. Although there was a book that's standard reading in the Canadian curriculum called Hatchet about a boy who gets lost in the wilderness and is forced to grow up as he learns to survive. But I meant to read that and watch the movie, too but wound up reading ilke 2 pages, started nodding off then I completely forgot I intended to do that until just now.
11:41:10 <Nothing\> doing an experiment atm to see if there's a linear correlation between the temperature of a battery and its output voltage. Which I should actually characterize the internal resistance too while I'm at it. But I'm not sure how I'd do that. I remember thinking I could do it just like any other resistor where I'd say, have a 10 ohm resistor on the battery and measure the current, then treat the internal resistance + resi
11:41:10 <Nothing\> divider. But I read years ago that it doesn't work like that for reasons which were beyond me at the time and I don't remember.
11:41:36 <T3sl4> yes, there's a voltage tempco
11:41:42 <T3sl4> doesn't need a load, just read it as is
11:41:47 <Nothing\> lol T3sl4 see what you've done. you ruffled my hair and now you've gone and overstimulated me and got me writing walls of text lol
11:42:03 <Nothing\> right, for the voltage
11:42:05 <electrohead> EEVBot: what time is it?
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11:42:07 <EEVBot> It's .. STRANGLE TIME!
11:42:12 <Nothing\> but not for the internal resistance
11:42:17 <T3sl4> the internal resistance might depend on temp, which may give different readings vs temp, you'd need to do both measurements to know
11:43:15 <T3sl4> it works exactly like that, you put on a load and see the voltage change; the change however will depend on time, so, how long you take before sampling the measurement, and on state of charge
11:43:45 <Nothing\> T3sl4, well i have no doubt it depends on temp. I forget their names but I know there are two different types of internal resistance. There's the resistance caused by the actual materials the battery is made of like the metal contacts and things of that nature.
11:44:08 <Nothing\> then there's the resistance caused by the actual... i'm not sure if it's the chemicals themselves, or the chemical reaction
11:44:09 <T3sl4> ohmic, ionic?
11:44:17 <Nothing\> or if it depends on the rate of the reaction, which i'm sure it does
11:44:52 <Nothing\> but if it does depend on the rate of the reaction, the general rule of thumb is that a chemical reaction doubles its rate for every increase in temp of 10c
11:45:27 <Nothing\> but i'm not sure hotw true that really is. I've never looked intoo it tbh and it probably depends on the type of reaction. I just assumed it referred to redox reactions.
11:45:40 <Nothing\> since they seem to be so abundant
11:49:56 <Nothing\> man these d-wave quantum cpus are fascinating to me. Everything about them from their novel design to the fact that they have to operate at 0.015k and the logistics of how the hell you make a heatsink to cool a processor down to almost absolute zero an keep the thing running.
11:50:33 <Nothing\> lol or I was reading about this japanese super computer that draws something like 30,000 kilowatts
11:51:02 <Nothing\> like how the hell do they even get that much power? You'd literally need your own dedicated power generating station for something like that.
11:51:26 <Nothing\> that's enough for what? like a town of 3 or 4000 people
11:52:11 <Nothing\> T3sl4, ohmic and ionic sound right. Or I wanted to call it chemical, but I know that's not right.
11:52:24 <DHess_US> The chemical reaction is in equilibrium so the 10C to double does not apply.
11:52:26 <Nothing\> I'm sure I could look it up if I cared enough.
11:52:48 <DHess_US> But internal resistance due to chemical activity is very affected by temperature.
11:52:53 <Nothing\> DHess_US, that makes sense if no energy is being drained (or added) to it
11:53:12 <Nothing\> DHess_US, interesting. So that invalidates my experiment then.
11:54:12 <DHess_US> My understanding is that capacity loss at low temperature primarily comes from increases internal resistance.
11:54:40 <Nothing\> because my experiment is to see how much sub zero temperatures would affect a battery's output voltage but if it also affects the resistance of the internal materials THAT would also affect the output voltage
11:55:04 <DHess_US> There is an effect on output voltage, but it is minor compared to the change in internal resistance.
11:55:10 <Nothing\> although I guess that could be considered one of probably several effects that cause temperature to affect its voltage
11:55:25 <Nothing\> i guess off the top of my head, it shouldn't affect the voltage until you load the battery
11:55:29 <Nothing\> unless i'm missing something
11:55:41 <Nothing\> which really, is what I feel like I SHOULD be measuring
11:57:26 * arch poops on T3sl4's lawn for the 300th time
11:57:41 * electrohead films
11:58:02 <Nothing\> oh now this is a cool pic as far as pictures of semiconductor dies are concerned
11:58:09 <Nothing\> or chips... i'm not sure what you'd call it
11:58:21 <Nothing\> https://cdn-assets.cloud.dwavesys.com/a5544784-e6a8-05ec-7ae5-1a703c011307/qubist_static/images/dwave-chip.png
11:58:27 <Nothing\> it's not exactly a normal ic
11:58:40 <T3sl4> arch has brought dobby a snack!
11:58:49 <Nothing\> lol dobby
11:58:58 <Nothing\> that's weird, i was just thinking about that show last night
12:00:05 <T3sl4> electrohead: https://www.reddit.com/r/burgers/comments/siv9mi/cheeseburger_poptarts/
12:00:07 <EEVBot> [Title] - Reddit - Dive into anything
12:00:35 <arch> i can haz cheezburger?
12:00:46 <electrohead> :o
12:00:57 <electrohead> yes.
12:06:01 * Ampera hugs electrohead
12:06:03 <Ampera> you can haz me
12:08:34 * T3sl4 CHAZs Ampera
12:09:08 * Ampera banishes T3sl4 to eternity in Seattle
12:09:37 * T3sl4 rains on Ampera for an eternity, otherwise known as a tuesday in Seattle
12:16:28 * Nothing\ hugs Ampera
12:16:31 <Nothing\> haha!
12:16:36 <Nothing\> i got you first for a change!
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12:16:57 <T3sl4> aye, it's quite contagious
12:17:00 * Ampera hugs Nothing\
12:17:05 <Ampera> how are you doing nowhere man?
12:17:35 <Nothing\> i always feel bad when you have to initiate the hug & greet, Ampera. Like I'm too zoned out in my own world to notice my own friend coming in and giving me an affectionate greeting.
12:17:45 <Nothing\> I'm doing... I dunno how I'm doing
12:17:48 <Nothing\> okay i guess
12:18:09 <Nothing\> kind of discourage. I think I'm gonna have to increase my dose of methadone back up to my previous dose
12:18:35 <Ampera> Have you thought about alternating dosages?
12:18:52 <Ampera> instead of simply dropping to another dose, reduce the dose in alternate steps
12:19:12 <Ampera> I have no idea how this would impact you, so only take my advice if you yourself believe it safe.
12:19:43 <Ampera> Ah, Nothing\, my new car is on the way to the dealership
12:19:45 <steve30> I was just watching a 1997 Panorama documentary about Gay rights. Apparently gay need burning according to one interviewee.
12:19:48 <Ampera> hopefully in a week or two I'll have it
12:20:02 <Nothing\> i'm realizing as eager as i am to get off of it and as much as I'd like to do it asap, now is not a good time at all. I've been more stressed since the fall since I have been in the months leading up to my conviction
12:20:10 <Ampera> steve30, do you think gays need burning?
12:20:34 <Ampera> You need to silo it.
12:20:35 <steve30> nope
12:20:39 <T3sl4> i mean, steve30 always seems chilly
12:20:52 <Ampera> Try, if possible, to put your methadone problem and your life problems in separate areas.
12:20:59 <Ampera> Focus on only one at once
12:21:04 <T3sl4> duvets would seem a bit more wholesome for dealing with that though
12:21:05 <Ampera> and don't switch between that focus unless you have to
12:21:09 <steve30> T3sl4, I do have a jumper and two jackets on
12:21:22 <Nothing\> and dropping my dose has only added to that stress. Which I figured would go away once I got used to the lower dose in a month or two. Not to mention I've been waking up in withdrawals every day for the past 2 months. So I feel like I'm just never going to get used to my lower dose.
12:21:39 <Nothing\> And I tihnk that's because of the anxiety medication I take. Which ironically makes my anxiety worse.
12:22:52 <Nothing\> but that's a big thing, it makes me super emotionally volatile. To the point where I've yelled and screamed at my Mum, accusing her of denigrating me and gas lighting me and all sorts of paranoid thoughts I had, just because she didn't hear something i said.
12:23:36 <Nothing\> but as trivial and unintentional as it was, to me it cut as deep as the worst insult from the person you're closest to in the entire world
12:23:52 <Nothing\> since that's basically what i perceived it as
12:24:10 <Nothing\> but just stuff like that. There's no way I can hope to get off of methadone if my mood is THAT unstable.
12:24:17 * Ampera pets Nothing\
12:24:24 <Nothing\> so I've gotta work on that first. THEN think about the methadone
12:25:10 <Nothing\> which is depressing. it feels like i'm taking a step backwards going back up on my dose. But at least now I know what I actually need to do. Gotta taper myself off of the anxiety meds. Which means yay more withdrawals.
12:25:13 * Nothing\ purrs
12:25:38 * Ampera then runs Nothing\ over with the new car, putting him out of his misery
12:25:53 <Nothing\> Ampera, man if only i had somebody to do that irl. I really need something to provide calmness on demand that isn't drugs
12:25:56 * T3sl4 watches Ampera's new car purr
12:26:16 <Ampera> Just give me your address, I can hit you with my car any time
12:26:26 <Ampera> well, after it's delivered that is
12:26:32 <Nothing\> that's my biggest problem i think. I rely/subconsciously expect instant gratification to an unhealthy degree
12:27:16 <Nothing\> coupled with no impulse control, mental health issues, and environmental stresses, and you've got a hell of a cocktail on your hand. I tell you wHut
12:27:28 <Ampera> what about instant death via high speed steel?
12:27:29 <Nothing\> oh and the addiction
12:27:35 <Nothing\> that's the icing on the cake
12:27:44 <T3sl4> Ampera: carbide lasts longer
12:28:38 <Ampera> carbidicide
12:28:54 <Nothing\> Ampera, considering most people die over a long period of time, without resorting to the old sylvia plath style "we're all dying" definition
12:29:05 <Nothing\> to quote what's his face
12:29:09 <Nothing\> chuck palahniuk
12:29:19 <T3sl4> Illegitimi non carborundum
12:29:22 <Ampera> I hate his name
12:29:22 <Nothing\> or paraphrase him anyways
12:29:29 <Nothing\> Ampera, hard to pronounce?
12:29:35 <Nothing\> slash spell
12:29:35 <Ampera> no, it rhymes
12:29:48 <Nothing\> huh so it does
12:29:57 <Ampera> I hear the words I read
12:30:08 <Nothing\> palahniuk has so many more syllables than chuck, i hadn't noticed
12:30:14 <Ampera> In a sense, I speak the words that I type too
12:30:26 <Ampera> as if a computer keyboard were a prosthetic I could operate about as fluently as a real organ.
12:30:29 <Nothing\> Ampera, yup so do i. And not just in my voice. It's in the voice of the author.
12:30:36 <Nothing\> It's weird that our minds do that.
12:30:40 <Ampera> mine doesn't
12:31:04 <Ampera> I don't typically have an internal monologue, and any "voice" i hear in my head has no tone
12:31:05 <T3sl4> a real organ is a keyboard tho
12:31:26 <Ampera> it's weird how my mind works
12:31:26 <Nothing\> Ampera, you've never seen a quote from a character or person you're fond of and read it in your head in their voice?
12:31:40 <T3sl4> Ampera: it works?
12:31:48 <Ampera> Only if I intentionally do so for the purpose of hearing their voice in my head.
12:31:58 <Nothing\> not even necessarily one you're fond of. It could just be one you're familiar with more than others.
12:32:07 <Nothing\> Ampera, i see
12:32:09 <Ampera> I'm really being literal when I say I hear the words I read
12:32:17 <Ampera> as in, I process words I see exactly as if I heard them, just without the sound
12:32:31 <Nothing\> you know being able to read in one's head is actually a fairly recent thing
12:32:36 <Ampera> as if the step of my mind saying the words to itself is simply skipped
12:32:41 <Nothing\> i think we only started doing it a few hundred years ago, if that
12:32:49 <Ampera> read in one's head?
12:32:52 <Nothing\> yeah
12:32:56 <Ampera> what do you mean by that
12:33:05 <Nothing\> people would read everything aloud
12:33:11 <Ampera> ah
12:33:15 <Ampera> interesting
12:33:45 <Ampera> Nothing\, are you capable of thinking about the concept of red, without thinking about the word?
12:33:49 <Nothing\> it makes sense. I'm not sure if you remember. But I remember in grade 1 being taught how to read in my head because at the time, I could read but the only way I could was by reading aloud.
12:33:52 <Ampera> just the sensation itself
12:34:19 <Ampera> even better, can you look at something that is red, and understand that it is red without using language in your mind?
12:34:29 <Nothing\> and it wasn't like i was trying to sound the words out or figure out how to read what i was reading. it was just that at that point in my development, I just hadn't learned to read without reading it out loud.
12:35:02 <Nothing\> so, it seems being able to read in your head rather than out loud isn't something that comes very naturally to people
12:35:06 <Ampera> I do not remember. By the time I would have been in the first grade, I was reading in my head just easily
12:35:11 <Nothing\> not that there's anything natural about reading
12:35:12 <Ampera> I used to have an inner monologue, but I've lost it over time.
12:35:28 <Ampera> I still have it, but I need to intentionally switch it on, so to speak
12:35:29 <Nothing\> but reading out loud just seems to be easier to learn
12:35:38 <Ampera> and if I do not maintain it in my mind intentionally, it will go away as quickly as it came
12:36:03 <Nothing\> i still have inner monologues
12:36:28 <Ampera> I tend to operate directly on thoughts, only occasionally involving language.
12:36:28 <Nothing\> it's weird how there seem to be several different types
12:37:02 <Ampera> If I am deep in thought about something, very rarely do I speak to myself, I simply think
12:37:11 <Ampera> that's why I asked you the question about the color red
12:37:14 <Nothing\> i know what you mean
12:37:17 <Ampera> I want to know if you are capable of the same thing
12:37:18 <Nothing\> you think in ideas, not nowrds
12:37:23 <Nothing\> *not words
12:37:38 <Nothing\> i do the same sometimes
12:37:40 <Ampera> Here's the thing, when I read words, those words translate into ideas just as easily as if I looked at a color
12:37:49 <Nothing\> it's much faster, but i find it's less descriptive
12:38:06 <Ampera> The same way you might look at red, and be able to eliminate language in your mind while keeping the sensation of the color present, I do that all the time with words I read.
12:38:13 <Nothing\> you convey the information much faster, but it's not as specific or as plentiful, or both. I'm not sure.
12:38:24 <Ampera> and in reverse, when I type in a conversation, I type just as simply as if I speak. I do not think about what I am typing, I simply do it.
12:38:47 <Nothing\> interesting
12:39:15 <Nothing\> see that just goes to show you how great the human brain is in the sense that it can be so varied in how it works and the logistics therein
12:39:37 <Nothing\> sorry to equate your brain to a test subject lol
12:39:39 <Ampera> The thing is, I /used/ to do all of those things
12:39:52 <Ampera> I used to work with concepts as language, instead of just as concepts
12:40:06 <Ampera> but over time, I stopped needing to, and it became faster to think without doing so
12:40:08 <Nothing\> yeah, i think part of it has to do with whatever it is that causes us to become less imaginative as we age
12:40:28 <Ampera> Perhaps the most insane thing I can do, is I can separate the conscious part of my brain with the sentient part of my brain.
12:40:51 <Ampera> For instance, I can separate my conscious mind from my sentient mind, and sorta go tell it to write this message by itself.
12:41:15 <Ampera> I am only peripherally aware of it doing so, as if I am dissociating, but with most of the full intelligence of my waking mind
12:41:21 <Nothing\> like how when we're kids, we can turn anything into a toy and use our imaginations to play with toys, or to play games, or even in misinterpreting things in the world. Like how I used to think the big ball in the Epcot Center in Disney World was a gigantic golf ball.
12:41:32 <Ampera> This quite often happens if I am tired, as then it often happens involuntarily.
12:41:40 <Ampera> as if half of my mind goes to sleep, while the other half keeps going
12:42:07 <Nothing\> and just like our ability to visually imagine things gradually diminishes, likewise our ability to auditorilly imagine things as well, ie an inner monologue
12:42:19 <Nothing\> of course this is speculation. Plz don't take it seriously.
12:42:30 <Ampera> I am taking it completely seriously.
12:42:39 <Ampera> I couldn't me more serious if I was about to shoot my own brother
12:42:42 <Nothing\> fair enough
12:42:43 <Ampera> *me -> be
12:42:55 <Nothing\> i'm just saying i'm no expert so i could be wrong
12:43:10 <Ampera> what if it's impossible to be right or wrong in this situation
12:43:19 <Ampera> what if every single perspective is just as correct and valid as the other
12:43:32 <Ampera> and our own beliefs are simply different ways of adequately describing the exact same thing.
12:43:44 <Nothing\> but being that i have a LOT of spare time on my hands, and have had a lot for over 15 years, I've had nothing better to do but analyze my own thoughts and feelings and mind and things of that nature
12:43:46 <Ampera> as surely as describing something that is dark as being not light
12:44:08 <Nothing\> so i'd like to think i have a better understanding of MY mind than most people
12:44:08 <Ampera> I have had 20 years of spare time to think.
12:44:13 <Nothing\> but minds are all different
12:44:19 <Ampera> I think in my sleep, I think when I am bored, and I think when I am occupied.
12:44:27 <Nothing\> so what applies to my mind may not necessarily apply to yours. Or others.
12:44:51 <Nothing\> Ampera, you're actually onto something there
12:44:59 <Nothing\> <Ampera> what if it's impossible to be right or wrong in this situation
12:45:08 <Ampera> I know, because I am always right.
12:45:14 <Ampera> I created this universe, I am god.
12:45:31 <Ampera> yet, I am just as powerless to change it as I was to create it
12:45:40 <Ampera> it all simply happened, and yet I know it all
12:45:52 <Nothing\> there IS no such thing as right and wrong in life/the universe/cosmos/whatever you want to call it. They're artificial concepts created by man.
12:46:07 <Ampera> you're universally wrong
12:46:12 <Ampera> there is no such thing as no such thing
12:46:23 <jaymacks> > I created this universe, I am god.
12:46:24 * jaymacks heretics god
12:46:38 <Nothing\> When a person dies, it's not for a good or bad reason. That is, it's not like some force in the universe went out of its way to kill this person for malevolent purposes
12:46:39 <Ampera> jaymacks, I would suck your dick if I could
12:46:56 <Nothing\> other than of course the odd psycho murderer
12:47:02 <jaymacks> Good thing I have no dick, then.
12:47:06 <Ampera> I am god
12:47:08 <Ampera> I will make you one
12:47:12 <Nothing\> but i mean, the universe didn't create that psycho murderer out of malice, right
12:47:18 <Nothing\> it is what it is
12:47:27 <Nothing\> that is to say, it's not good or bad, it just is
12:47:34 <Ampera> I created you out of malice
12:47:36 <Ampera> malice for myself
12:47:41 <Ampera> I wanted someone who hated me more than I hate myself
12:47:47 <Ampera> I'm glad to see that project is moving along nicely
12:47:55 <Ampera> soon you'll be plotting to kill me, and I can finally die
12:47:57 <Ampera> and the universe can finally end
12:48:30 <Nothing\> good or bad is in your mind. It's what your own perceptions and the interpretation of those perceptions which give things either a positive or negative value
12:48:54 <Ampera> penis dick cock schlong sausage wiener great big stick of fuck
12:49:23 <Nothing\> i mean obviously there are things which are universally considered to be bad by *MOST* people which we consider bad. Like disease, or pain, or death, things of that nature.
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12:50:55 <Nothing\> either way, it's an incredibly complex issue which the exploration of is made difficult by the deficiencies in human language in being able to describe such things
12:50:57 <Ampera> I'm going to bed, good night
12:51:15 <Nothing\> g'night, bud. Sleep well.
12:51:33 <Nothing\> Hope you have a good night, pleasant dreams and wake up feeling good.
12:51:37 <Ampera> oh, so you are paying attention to me
12:51:39 <Ampera> good night
12:51:41 <Ampera> I hope I get nightmares
12:51:42 <Nothing\> so, lotsa goodness in there. <3
12:51:43 <Ampera> I love nightmares
12:51:51 <Nothing\> Ampera, they do make for good training
12:52:03 <Ampera> They're fun and entertaining and make me feel happily depressed.
12:52:17 <Nothing\> ah, that's called brooding.
12:52:25 <Ampera> To be both happy and depressed at the same time is an awkward yet incredible sensation.
12:52:37 <Nothing\> where you do things to sort of enhance your sense of depression because it feels oddly good in a way
12:52:40 <jaymacks> This sort of thing reminds me of the divine fallacy/trilemma.... The all knowing/powerful/good thing. I piss of Christians by saying power has limits and God's has been well documented in His own bible to be limited.
12:52:40 <jaymacks> Floods, lightning, sending a son....that's stuff of an ant-keeper to a geranium, not entity beyond all reasoning.
12:52:40 <Ampera> As if I know my mind has slowed, and am perfectly fine to downgrade for a while
12:53:08 <Nothing\> it's hard to explain if you've never experienced it because it an observer it just seems all sorts of nonsensical and counterintuitive
12:54:11 <Nothing\> yea i should play a game or something
12:54:13 <Nothing\> but what
12:54:34 <jaymacks> Matchbook?
12:55:03 <Nothing\> oh yeah i forgot i was gonna binge this channel i discovered about retro video game mechanics
12:55:20 <Nothing\> it's very much like retro video game mechanics explained. Called displaced gamers
12:55:35 <Nothing\> https://www.youtube.com/c/DisplacedGamers/videos
12:56:29 <Nothing\> if you're familiar with it. I was gonna watch the video on the pause grenade glitch in Blaster Master. Cuz that game's easily the best hidden gem on the system hands down and in my top 10 favourites
12:56:44 <Nothing\> it's one of those games i've gotta play about once a year from start to finish. Like Mega Man 2
12:58:25 <Nothing\> ta
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13:28:40 <T3sl4> https://i.imgur.com/8o0GHxo.jpeg
13:29:46 <T3sl4> Halcyon: https://imgur.com/gallery/8HG3G9w
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18:37:26 <steve30> i finally made it to tesco
18:49:10 <Halcyon> Evening morsels
18:49:19 <Ysjoelfir> Mornings morel
18:49:26 <Halcyon> YAY! Did you get anything tasty Steve?
18:49:32 <Halcyon> Hello Ysjoelfir :)
19:01:08 <Halcyon> https://twitter.com/IaaSgeek/status/1488799161038389252
19:01:10 <Halcyon> Hahahaha gold
19:02:40 <steve30> mostly pasta and rice stuff
19:05:03 * Halcyon rubs Ysjoelfir's head
19:07:17 <Halcyon> Yummy
19:09:29 <steve30> i've not eaten well lately
19:15:48 <Halcyon> Oh? Too much naughty foods?
19:33:09 <Ysjoelfir> So, whats up
19:34:35 <steve30> just hardly had any food in stock, so i had to ration what i had
19:34:41 <steve30> also i've not felt up to cooking properly
19:34:54 <steve30> anyway, i'm just watching dave's latest dumpster video
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19:51:38 <Halcyon> (not THAT head T3sl4, calm down)
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19:56:53 <steve30> Halcyon, how's the new boyfriend?
19:57:36 <K> hello broccoli
19:58:36 * steve30 passes K a carrot
19:58:43 <Halcyon> Ended up telling him it's not going to work.
19:58:56 <Halcyon> Too many alarm bells and his attitude was actually quite poor in some respects.
19:59:51 <Halcyon> So yeh, not doing that again... seeeeyaaaa
19:59:55 <steve30> aww
20:00:20 <Halcyon> His loss
20:01:37 <Halcyon> We were only dating anyway, we weren't together
20:02:11 <steve30> why are boyfriends so hard to find?
20:02:32 * steve30 is still looking for Mr Perfect
20:02:33 <K> supply chain issues
20:04:37 <Halcyon> Exactly K
20:13:28 <steve30> i keep suggesting that halcyon gets me a cute surfer guy from the beach, but he never does
20:13:54 <K> shipping costs :/
20:16:53 <Halcyon> You could always come here?
20:28:23 <Halcyon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ETfOJyrtKc
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20:28:26 <Halcyon> S-M-R-T
20:29:57 <K> ohohohiohoo
20:50:27 * steve30 ought to have a shower and go to bed
20:52:55 <Halcyon> Yeh I'm going to head to bed too
20:52:59 <Halcyon> Nighty night everyone
20:53:22 * steve30 curls up on Halcyon's duvet
21:01:42 <K> nn
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22:40:59 <electrohead> o/
22:51:53 <coppice> Well, that went badly off the rails
22:53:15 <coppice> Is that a result of the country being so trainsphobic?
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23:41:20 <Ysjoelfir> mornings mr. head
23:42:42 * Ampera hugs Ysjoelfir
23:42:46 <Ampera> how are you doing ysjoelfriend?
23:44:50 <Ysjoelfir> Annoyed as fuck, so as good as everyday, and you?
23:45:03 <Ampera> annoying as fuck
23:45:04 <Ampera> <3
23:45:08 <Ampera> just woke up
23:46:53 * electrohead smacks Ampera with a mechanical keyboard while waving at Ysjoelfir at the same time
23:47:08 <Ysjoelfir> perfect!
23:47:11 * Ampera fights electrohead's mechanical keyboard back with a better mechanical keyboard
23:49:31 <electrohead> lol
23:49:32 <electrohead> hey man
23:51:31 * jaymax smacks both with a real keyboard that can actually function with a KVM switch.
23:52:56 * Ampera attaches a USB KVM to a chain and wails at jaymax with it like it was a mace
23:53:51 * jaymax appreciates the mace-condition
23:54:17 <Ampera> It is hanging on a thread, after all
23:57:30 <electrohead> lol
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